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Transcript
00:00 All right, everyone, welcome back into another live edition of the Patriots Beat podcast
00:08 here on the CLNS Media Network.
00:11 It is Brian Hines back with Alex Barth from 98.5 The Sports Hub, and it is combine week.
00:17 Happy combine week, everyone.
00:18 We get to spend our week with hand measurements, arm lengths, 40-yard dashes, bench presses,
00:25 all that good stuff that comes with being in Indianapolis for the week.
00:29 So we will spend the next 40, 45 minutes breaking down some of these prospects we're looking
00:35 at, some of the storylines we're looking at throughout this week.
00:39 And Alex, I was going to ask you, who has like one guy who has the most to gain from
00:46 this whole thing?
00:47 And I was saying, should we start with the quarterbacks?
00:48 But I have a feeling that maybe the guy who has the most to gain this week is a quarterback.
00:55 Maybe one specific lefty from Washington.
00:57 We'll pose that question for you, and then maybe we can transition that into the quarterbacks.
01:03 Yeah, I would honestly say he has the most to lose, more than most to gain.
01:07 I hate to phrase it in such a negative light, but I mean, we all saw what Michael Penix
01:11 did against Texas in the playoffs.
01:13 We all know what his ceiling is, but if his knees made a paper mache, I think I'm in the
01:22 extreme on this, because it's funny where I was, I still am a big Michael Penix fan.
01:28 You know, I've cooled on him a little bit for the Patriots because they ended up with
01:30 the third pick.
01:31 And as much as I like Michael Penix, I think he's the fourth quarterback.
01:34 So if you're picking third, why?
01:38 Right.
01:39 But to the people who want to take Martin Harrison Jr. or a tackle or a trade down or
01:41 whatever, right?
01:43 So now all of a sudden, all the people who were anti Michael Penix, because they want
01:46 to take these other people are now like, well, that's great.
01:49 If he fails his medical, you know, you get him in the second round.
01:52 And then you still get the tackle or you still get the receiver and you get Michael Penix.
01:57 If he's not, if his medicals come back poorly enough that he's not worth a team taking in
02:03 the first round, I don't think I want him maybe like maybe when he gets like the fifth
02:08 six round, whatever, if he's still there, but it's an all or nothing position for me.
02:13 And I talked about this with Taylor when I was on with him last week and I kind of went
02:16 on this rant about it.
02:17 No half measures of quarterback.
02:18 If you draft Michael Penix and he can't get through a season, I mean, he's better than
02:22 Jimmy Garoppolo, but you still that same problem where, all right, cool.
02:27 Michael Penix lit it up in September and October, but if he can't stay healthy, you better damn
02:31 good backup.
02:32 And at that point, all right, so you have a start, you have another starter.
02:36 So why do you Michael Penix?
02:37 So he's a good Michael Penix.
02:39 Can he get drafted?
02:40 This isn't maybe being a little bit traumatic there, but I, at that position, I don't know
02:48 how you look at Michael Penix.
02:50 If the medicals come back with red flags and say, this is the guy we want to be the future
02:54 of our organization.
02:55 I don't know how you look at that.
02:57 It's Dominique easily at the quarterback position.
02:59 Now that being said, if Michael Penix passes with flying colors and his knees are in great
03:06 shape and the cartilage is still there and his shoulders are fine, he should knock it
03:10 out of the top 10.
03:11 Uh, call it top 12.
03:12 I'm trying to remember where that run is, uh, of quarterback teams.
03:16 Um, like Vikings at 13 or the Raiders 13, those two teams are right.
03:21 I think I have the order memorized.
03:22 You know what?
03:23 Most years I have the order memorized, but that's because the Patriots are picking somewhere
03:26 from like 15 to 25.
03:28 So I have to know everybody ahead of them to know the situations.
03:31 I know who wanted to, or I'll tell you that.
03:34 It's here.
03:35 Um, yeah, 11 Vegas, 13.
03:37 That it's, it's the giants at six to the saints at 14 is what I consider the quarterback run.
03:45 Seattle at 16 to for Penix.
03:48 If he gets that honestly, you want, well, the idea is that there's other teams in here.
03:52 Like I mean, Chicago is not taking two quarterbacks.
03:56 So nine becomes a spot where you could see a trade.
04:00 Um, maybe, you know, Minnesota re-signs Kirk cousins and they want to do a developmental
04:06 guy later.
04:07 So there's spots you could trade up.
04:08 But like, I don't think if Seattle wants a quarterback, they're not going to wait at
04:11 16.
04:12 I think they're good.
04:13 Right.
04:14 I think 13 is the layer.
04:15 14 is the latest it gets without an aggressive move like that.
04:19 Um, that being said, yeah, I, if Michael Penix passes with flying colors, he should not get
04:25 past 14.
04:26 He's the fourth best quarterback in this class.
04:29 I don't think it's close between four and five, whether you have JJ McCarthy there,
04:34 whether you have Bo Nix there.
04:35 And by the way, I have warmed up on JJ McCarthy a little bit, a little bit, still have no
04:38 interest in the Patriots taking them, but I've warmed up on them a little bit.
04:42 Not warming up to them in like the top 10, like some of these other we're still in the
04:46 freezer.
04:47 We're still in the freezer.
04:48 We're out of the deep freeze.
04:49 You ever see a freeze that is like a deep freeze or out of the deep freeze.
04:51 We're still very much in the freezer with JJ McCarthy, but no longer in the deep freeze.
04:55 Um, Michael Penix, QB forms draft.
04:58 And I don't think it's close.
04:59 And I think he's a first round talent.
05:00 And I think he is the kind of guy you can not just win with, but when, because of assuming
05:06 he's healthy.
05:08 So he's going to get the medical work right ups.
05:10 I would think we're going to hear about it.
05:12 Like remember Zach Koon slash as a huge Zach Koons guy, remember Zach Koons last year.
05:17 And he had, nobody knew what his injury was.
05:19 He just had some, we knew it was really bad.
05:21 He was reported a devastating injury and in rapport, treated out like, Oh, Hey, he did
05:25 his medical testing.
05:26 He's fine.
05:27 I'm not saying we're going to get like, yeah, Michael Penix is left knee.
05:30 Is it, or it's all his right knee, but like his right knee is at 80% in his shoulders
05:34 at 95%.
05:36 But I think we'll get more or less a pass fail at some point during the week.
05:39 I think we'll hear that.
05:40 And that won't be, you know, different teams will grade it differently.
05:44 I think that'll be more consensus, but I, to me this week is the difference between
05:49 him being a top 15 pick and him may be falling out of the top 50.
05:53 I think that's the kind of difference you're talking about with a guy with his injury history
05:58 and you factor in the position and the age and all of that.
06:02 Yep.
06:03 We got that last year, another tight end.
06:04 It was Dalton Kincaid.
06:05 I was, he had a back injury.
06:07 I don't think he was anything at the combine.
06:10 And then they had a doctor send a letter to like all the teams and they cleared them and
06:13 then Schefter released that letter.
06:16 So maybe you get something like that, but yeah, for, you know, for those who are just
06:20 falling on the draft and don't really know Penix, it was four season ending injuries.
06:25 He tore his right ACL twice.
06:27 He had, you know, injuries to both his shoulders that cut season short.
06:32 So this is like the first time teams can really sit down and run through these medicals and
06:36 physicals with him and kind of see how that all that all checks out.
06:41 So he is throwing on Saturday, I believe is the quarterback workouts.
06:45 Yes, he is throwing.
06:46 Fortunately, Caleb Williams is not throwing.
06:49 Jayden Daniels is not throwing.
06:51 We have yet to hear about Drake May.
06:53 So those are like how the top three are shaken out.
06:56 But if Penix with the medicals, if he has the most to lose, do you think one of these
07:01 guys has the most to gain?
07:03 Or maybe it's, you know, go into that JJ McCarthy tier, like do one of these quarterbacks
07:08 have a lot to gain this week, either on or off the field with other medicals or some
07:14 of these interviews with teams?
07:16 So I think Jayden Daniels has some, because he'll say he's not taking part, but he'll
07:19 still weigh in.
07:20 And where's he at?
07:21 You know, is he six, three, six, four, six, five?
07:24 Is he, he should be over 200 pounds.
07:26 I've seen some people who are like, oh, he's going to measure in like one 98.
07:29 I, even if he's normally one 98, like he's on the plane right now to Indianapolis, just
07:36 pounding cliff markers.
07:37 If he's been weighing in at one 98 all season, um, who didn't remember Bryce young.
07:42 We did that with him last year.
07:43 It's all like, well, he come in at over one 90.
07:46 That was like all thing.
07:47 And he did.
07:48 And then it turned out that he had like a massive pasta dinner for massive pasta lunch
07:52 before going his way in or something.
07:54 Um, so that's saying Elmo was all day, right?
07:57 Exactly.
07:58 Well, those shrimp, the shrimp won't fill you.
07:59 You got to get carbs, man.
08:01 Michael Scott training for the 5k.
08:03 I think that.
08:05 So Daniels in some regard, the guy who actually might have the most gain and it goes to what
08:09 you just talked about is Drake may, because I do think the gap between may the gap between
08:18 may and Daniels at this point is indistinguishable.
08:20 If you want to tell me you have made it to, if you want to tell me like I have Daniels
08:24 at two, there are people, uh, Evan has, for instance, I was talking to Evan about this
08:28 the other day.
08:29 He has Drake may a two, although I think he's wavering, but like his argument, I, it's not
08:34 that I disagree with it.
08:35 It's just, we value different things at the quarterback position.
08:38 We see it differently.
08:40 There's no discernible gap between the two.
08:43 There's somewhat of a discernible gap between three and four, whoever you have a three and
08:47 four.
08:48 Um, so for, and then there's a huge gap, I think between three and five between Drake
08:56 may and then down to bone X and JJ McCarthy.
08:59 And if you want to get a Spencer rattler, Joe Milton, right?
09:02 So if you're Drake may, and I think we had talked about this on a show a while ago, it
09:06 becoming kind of like a game of chicken with him and Jane Daniels, right?
09:09 Because it's mutually beneficial to both of them.
09:11 If they do the same thing, if one per and now we know that for Jane Daniels, that's
09:17 sitting out.
09:18 So now Drake may as a choice, does he go with the risk reward?
09:21 Because if he works out and he's throwing next to JJ McCarthy, he's thrown next to,
09:25 he's standing next to JJ McCarthy and bone X.
09:27 You just seeing his frame, right?
09:29 He's thrown next to those guys.
09:30 He's working out next to those guys.
09:31 People are going to look at him and be like, wow, this guy's really good.
09:35 Like look at him compared to them.
09:37 Cause it sounds cheesy.
09:40 The combine is a lot of that.
09:41 It's it's teams will look at guys and be like, they've seen them both on tape, but you see
09:45 them stand next to each other and you see him run back to back and you see him throw
09:48 back to back.
09:49 And you can really, that's, that's one of the biggest value points of the combine.
09:55 If I'm Drake may, you know, I'm confident in myself.
09:59 Yeah.
10:00 Let these scouts see me thrown next to JJ McCarthy.
10:01 Let these scouts see me thrown next to Joe Milton because it's indistinguishable right
10:06 now to three suddenly Jane Daniels sitting on the couch and here comes Drake may ball
10:13 now and maybe he locks himself.
10:15 Maybe Washington looks at it and says, you know what?
10:17 We like, we saw, and we liked Jane Daniels too, but this guy was here and we saw him
10:21 and we liked it.
10:22 Cause um, I, I, I was on, I think I was just, who was I talking about this with?
10:28 I think it was Taylor that no, somebody else.
10:31 Oh, it's their own battles on Sunday kickoff that part of the reason Drake may standing
10:37 is fallen.
10:38 We really haven't heard from him since November.
10:40 Now Jane Daniels hasn't played in the same amount of time, but he won the Heisman.
10:45 He went through all that, right?
10:47 UNC lost those two games in like late October.
10:50 They were out of the playoff picture and Drake may really became out of sight, out of mind.
10:55 And I think that may be at least externally and an external and internal is always a little
11:00 different, but you know, is there some of that going on in NFL draft rooms too, where
11:05 there's just been nothing new with Drake may there hasn't been a reason to watch it.
11:08 You watched his regular season.
11:09 You're good on that.
11:10 You know, Jane Daniels, there's new information.
11:13 There were guys that, you know, went to the senior bowl, right?
11:15 We saw those guys in senior bowl.
11:16 So they have more recent stuff.
11:18 It might not hurt Drake may to go out there and be like, Hey guys, remember me?
11:23 Yup.
11:24 Consensus QB two coming into the season and show everybody why he was consensus QB two
11:27 coming into the season.
11:28 So I just think Drake may as a lot to get now, he may also look at it and say, you know,
11:33 on the off chance something happens, either I get hurt or I just, you know, I'm not feeling
11:36 it that day.
11:37 I'll sit down.
11:38 I'll be a top five pick regardless.
11:40 I'm just going to let it be.
11:42 And I don't understand that.
11:45 But I think going out there and really, you know, showing what he can do, it could be,
11:51 we're only talking about one draft spot, right?
11:52 We're talking three to two or maybe four to two, five to one time, a couple draft spots,
11:57 but don't think that doesn't matter to these guys.
11:59 And don't think QB two versus QB three doesn't matter to these guys.
12:03 It would be really interesting to see if, if Drake may goes out there and decides to
12:06 put on a clinic as combine QB one, cause there'll be no doubt of the guys working out.
12:12 He's he's at the top of the list.
12:14 Yeah, definitely.
12:15 It's a good point.
12:16 Just even, you know, seeing him stand next to some of these other guys, right?
12:19 Cause like that's a big part of his thing is, you know, he's six four, he's got that
12:22 ideal body type.
12:23 And I forget if it was Matt Groh or Cameron Williams and that team released video.
12:29 I think it was during the senior bowl where they're like, all these guys kind of until
12:34 that week are just, you know, a number to us.
12:36 And now this is the first time where we can really put a face to the number that we've
12:40 been watching on film all year.
12:42 And, you know, part of that is meeting with these guys throughout the week.
12:44 So just seeing him like that and, you know, probably towering over JJ McCarthy and, you
12:50 know, bigger than Bo Nix like that, that could be, you know, intriguing for a team.
12:55 And as you know, that might not sound like something that matters, but it might matter
13:00 to some of these, some of these teams.
13:02 So that'll be interesting to see if he throws Jane Daniels isn't throwing, do you think
13:08 he will run and are you expecting him to touch four fours?
13:13 And how do you think that would impact his stock?
13:15 If that, I don't think he's going to run.
13:18 I I'd be a pretty surprised just because I was it report.
13:23 I think it was reported that he wasn't going to run.
13:24 I thought I just saw that.
13:26 I think it Caleb Williams.
13:28 I thought they just said throw.
13:30 Maybe they said drills though.
13:35 Let's see here.
13:40 So it says he'd not work out.
13:42 I read that as no, I think he'd run in the fourth.
13:47 The value would have been if he comes in and see where he measures in at.
13:50 And then if he's both up, if he's put on weight, is he still moving as well as he was?
13:53 That would have been the value.
13:54 Um, independently, like if he's still sitting around two 10, two 15, yeah, he should run
13:58 in the four fours.
13:59 I'd expect him to run in the four fours.
14:00 He'll run in the four fours at his pro day one way or the other.
14:04 But um, I, yeah, he, he's not going to run.
14:06 I'm not really surprised by that.
14:08 I think nothing he, he, he, look, he wasn't going to run in the four twos, right?
14:14 That just wasn't going to happen.
14:15 He's not that fast.
14:16 I don't even think he'd get in four threes.
14:18 I think he was probably gonna be like a four, four, five, four, four, six, four, four, seven
14:20 guy.
14:21 So if I'm him speeds, very apparent on tape, either you simply confirm priors or you open
14:30 the door to questions about whether or not your speed actually plays in the NFL.
14:33 And that is a monumentally important question for him.
14:36 So there's not a ton of, uh, of reason for him to risk running the 40.
14:40 I, I would be surprised if he ran it.
14:44 Yep.
14:45 So again, no Caleb Williams, he'll be there.
14:48 Interviews will be big for him, but uh, Jane, Jane Daniels too.
14:52 He'll be there.
14:53 He'll be interviewing and he'll weigh in and all that.
14:55 And then we'll wait and see, um, Drake may status any, and we talked about Michael Penix,
15:01 any of the other guys, you know, we briefly mentioned McCarthy, Bo Nix, Joe Milton, you
15:06 know, anything that Spencer Rattler interviews will be big for him too, probably.
15:10 But anything else you're looking at any of those other quarterbacks, Michael Pratt, like
15:15 any of these guys,
15:16 I'm just kind of interested in watching rattler.
15:17 I've warmed up on him a little bit actually.
15:20 And I need to see, I need to see the way in though.
15:21 And I know he weighed in at the senior bowl.
15:23 This is a more considered, more accurate measurement.
15:26 I'm curious what way.
15:27 And I want to see measuring height and Joe Milton said he's going to try to throw a football
15:32 120 yards, the combine.
15:33 So obviously I'm going to be locked in for that.
15:35 Cause that's going to be awesome.
15:36 If he does it, I doesn't necessarily make him draftable.
15:39 Still don't know what Joe Milton is.
15:41 I've kind of given up on trying, but he's fun.
15:44 I know that he's fun and I hope they let him destroy Brown didn't let rip it right at the
15:49 senior bowl.
15:50 So I'm hoping they let him rip it here at the combine.
15:52 Cause it'll, I don't know how much it tells us, but at the end of the day, it's football.
15:56 It's supposed to be fun.
15:57 It'll be fun to watch.
15:58 Was it a Anthony Richardson who hit the roof last?
16:02 That was a pro day though.
16:03 I think that was a pro day.
16:05 You're not hitting the roof.
16:06 I know you're not, but was that the Richardson Joe Milton is Joe Milton.
16:09 Yeah.
16:10 Anthony Richardson had three hit the roof at Florida on his, on his pro you're talking
16:13 about a couple hundred foot difference.
16:15 I mean, it's Lucas loyal is yeah.
16:18 You're not hitting that, but let's see actually maybe if anyone was going to do it though,
16:24 maybe it would be Joe Milton at this point.
16:28 Lucas oil stadium.
16:29 How high is the roof inside Luke soil stadium, 270 feet.
16:35 So for comparison, how far off the ground is the Dallas Cowboys scoreboard?
16:43 So the Dallas Cowboys scoreboard is 90 feet off the ground.
16:47 Oh wow.
16:48 The Lucas oil roof is 270 feet off the ground, but if anybody can hit it, it's Joe Milton
16:55 bazooka Joe.
16:56 I'm not going to rule it out and tie it.
16:58 Look a couple of years ago on the show, we were previewing a combine and we did, we were
17:02 that year and I don't know exactly what combine week is going to look like this year.
17:05 Cause Brian's traveling and they moved it up during the day, but this is when the workouts
17:09 were at night.
17:10 They would start like Evan at eight o'clock.
17:11 So me and Evan would do like seven to eight.
17:13 We talk about last night's workouts and then get ahead.
17:16 And before he signed off for the defensive line, once Evan said, what are you looking
17:18 forward to?
17:19 I said, Jordan Davis running the sub five and it's at least 370 pound Jordan Davis going
17:23 to run a sub five.
17:24 So I think this is a little less unrealistic than that, but it is Joe Milton.
17:29 I'm not going to dismiss him hitting now.
17:31 He'd have to be trying to hit it.
17:32 I don't think he's naturally going to throw a ball, throw it 270 feet in the air, but
17:35 like if he went straight up with it, could he get it up there?
17:40 Maybe maybe I hope he tries.
17:43 I'll bring him like an orange and make him throw an orange and try to throw an orange
17:46 out and open the roof and see, see if you can throw the orange out of the stadium.
17:50 Watch him launch it.
17:51 That would be, that would be good.
17:53 But yeah, that's the quarterback rundown.
17:56 Obviously all eyes on that position for the Patriots.
18:00 That number three, they are working out on Saturday the ones who are deciding to throw.
18:06 So that'll be the big one to watch throughout the week.
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18:47 All right, you want to start with receivers or offense flamen and tackles?
18:59 I'll start with receivers.
19:00 That one's easier.
19:01 Receivers.
19:02 All right.
19:03 So we get a lot of these guys that we saw at the senior bowl.
19:06 You know, the Latin McConkies, the Roman Wilsons, a good chance for some of the guys who weren't
19:11 as impressive at the senior bowl.
19:13 Like Tess Walker, Xavier Leguette could have a good week.
19:17 You know, he's kind of one of these, you know, physical guys who should impress at the combine.
19:22 But and then some guys who, you know, weren't at the senior bowl and we didn't get a look
19:26 at like, so those Texas guys, A.D.
19:29 Mitchell, Xavier Worthy, the Washington guys, Polk and McMillan.
19:32 So who's on your radar going into the week and who has something to gain, something to
19:38 lose?
19:39 Well, I think the big thing with the wide receiver position is it was such a good week
19:43 for some of these guys at the.
19:45 Well, actually, no, let's start at the top.
19:48 Everything I said before about Drake may applies to Roma Dunes, a cause Martin Harrison, Jr.
19:53 Malik neighbors are sitting it out.
19:54 Roma Dunes is going to work out.
19:56 He's not going to catch Harrison.
19:57 I really don't think he's going to catch Harrison.
20:00 Could he was a really strong showing, become wide receiver to with Malik neighbors sitting
20:03 down?
20:04 Yeah, absolutely.
20:05 Absolutely.
20:06 So there's that at the top of the board.
20:07 I'm interested in seeing both Texas guys run Xavier Worthy, A.D.
20:11 Mitchell.
20:12 I don't know that Xavier Worthy's time itself is going to be surprising.
20:15 Like you should be one of the fastest, but like, does he get into the, the four threes?
20:20 I think there's a chance he ends up in the four threes.
20:24 Then you get to that group, right?
20:27 The like 40 to 90 range receivers that are all bunched up.
20:32 And so many of them were at the senior bowl and so many of them did so well.
20:37 So for me, for those guys, it's confirming priors for other guys.
20:41 It's about playing catch up or bouncing back.
20:44 And obviously the two guys from the senior bowl, we talked a lot about where's they really
20:47 get in Tez Walker.
20:49 Neither one had a great senior bowl.
20:51 Both these guys are supposed to be dominant physically size, speed, all that.
20:57 So I think it's, it's, if they test less than expected, now you have a bad senior bowl.
21:05 Combine testing isn't what you wanted.
21:06 Now you're talking about really sliding in the draft.
21:08 And then also just the guys in that range that weren't at the senior bowl that didn't
21:11 get to go side to side with those guys.
21:13 That's like Jalen Polk, Jalen McMillan, Jermaine Burton.
21:17 I know I'm missing an obvious one and I apologize.
21:19 Ah, Troy Franklin, right?
21:21 Those guys going side by side with the senior guys be like, yeah, I wasn't there, but look
21:26 now I'm on the same field as them.
21:28 And I look the same.
21:29 I think a lot of the sorting out in that group gets done or starts to get done this week.
21:34 Yep.
21:35 I mean the top three guys, it's kind of like the quarterbacks, right?
21:39 Where it feels like there's the consensus with, you know, Marvin Harrison and then maybe
21:43 that two and three guys are close.
21:45 So interesting that that Roma Dunzey is going to go out there and work out as the other
21:49 two aren't.
21:50 Uh, I want to see Malik neighbors run.
21:52 That's disappointing.
21:53 I guess we'll see it at the, at the pro day, but he can fly obviously.
21:56 So that would have been fun.
21:57 But, um, Roman Wilson, I mean, he ran a four, three, seven in high school track.
22:03 So I don't know if he's able to replicate that again a few years later here, but, uh,
22:08 watching him, he should be able to fly.
22:10 And even Latin McConkie, uh, I think, I don't know if it was Daniel Jeremiah or Dane Bruegler
22:16 said they were expecting him to be like low four fours and maybe even four threes, I think.
22:22 So, uh, that, that would be another one.
22:25 Interesting ones.
22:26 Two of those kind of slot guys had really good weeks that down there at the senior bowl,
22:29 if they could, you know, post low four fours, that's only going to boost their stock even
22:34 more probably.
22:35 Then you're probably talking about them at like 34 early in that second round.
22:39 So those two guys will be interesting to watch.
22:42 And, uh, the other guy I want to see obviously is Johnny Wilson and that's measurements and
22:47 40, you know, the, the rumor has been coming out, you know, six, eight, two, what is he?
22:53 Two 40.
22:54 That feels like too much.
22:56 Um, he's big.
22:58 Yeah, he, he waited.
23:00 Yes.
23:01 Yeah.
23:02 Six, seven, six, seven, two 38.
23:04 Supposedly he was running high four fours, low four fives in high school.
23:07 Like if Johnny Wilson comes out and runs in the four fours, you're talking about going
23:12 from a fringe top 100 pick to a potential first round pick to like a top 50 picks.
23:17 So, uh, Johnny Wilson definitely has a ton to get.
23:21 I think if he runs poorly, he's more or less going to be where he is right now, which is
23:24 like a third round pick.
23:26 If he runs well, you're going to start hearing some people say, ah, it could be a first round
23:30 pick could sneak into the end of the first round.
23:33 So, um, cause again, he's not the most polished, but like some team will see the size speed
23:39 combination and be like, we can fix them.
23:42 Yeah.
23:43 And uh, Keon Coleman, his teammate is running too.
23:46 So that's another guy who he has to run cause he, his stock has been long.
23:51 So he has to run post a post a good, good time to try to get his stock, uh, back on
23:57 track.
23:58 But, uh, any other receivers, you know, we mentioned a good portion of those guys kind
24:02 of that day to round two, round three range, but anyone else you have, you have your eye
24:06 on in that group.
24:07 I think just later on, on the chance Patriots double up, like familiarizing ourselves with
24:12 some of these later guys, uh, Nia Smith from Texas a and M's the player I like, who was
24:16 that senior bold and get a ton of buzz.
24:18 Uh, Jordan Whittington, same thing from Texas.
24:20 Uh, Bob means just, you know, just do any of these, do any of the guys who are going
24:26 to go on day three, like guys who test super through the roof who were projected on day
24:30 three.
24:31 Now they're not day three picks, but are there any guys later on that, you know, age, maybe
24:35 size, whatever, like, aren't going to be.
24:38 You know, in the top one 50, but do any of them pop and be like, basically, can you find
24:42 this year's pop Douglas?
24:44 Can you find the guy that not seems to be superstar, but, oh yeah, they can, if they
24:48 want to double up, they can get this guy's six, seventh round.
24:51 Like he'll give them something like, can we find that guy?
24:55 Does that guy maybe stand out and emerge?
24:58 Um, I like Jordan Whittington for that personally from Texas.
25:01 Now he's a very different type of receiver.
25:04 He's more a possession chain mover.
25:06 So Texas had all these big play threats, right?
25:09 Edge, Davian Sanders running down the field.
25:11 They'd save you worthy, you know, catch and run from the short and go.
25:13 They'd 80 Mitchell down the field.
25:16 Jordan Whittington was the guy that was running like the seven to 12 yard routes and going
25:19 and just sitting down at the sticks and, uh, super reliable, not explosive, but super reliable
25:24 receiver.
25:26 Which I think there's something to be said for that.
25:28 Certainly, especially if you lose a guy like Kendrick Bourne.
25:30 So does he maybe emerge as a, as a double dip guy?
25:33 Yeah.
25:34 He was always funny watching Texas cause they have all these studs and then it's just like,
25:38 who's this guy with the long hair that keeps making all these plays and big moments.
25:42 So it'll be interesting to watch, uh, in Indy this week, but we can transition into the
25:48 trenches with the offensive tackles.
25:52 Obviously another big area of need in this, you know, someone that asked in the chat,
25:56 why are these measurements so important?
25:58 This is the position, you know, these offensive tackles where it is very important.
26:02 The arm length, can they stay out on the edge or are they going to have to bump inside the
26:06 guard?
26:07 The number in recent years has been around like that 33 inch.
26:11 So in the last 11 years, only two tackles were taken in the first round who had shorter
26:17 than 33 inch arms.
26:19 One of them is Justin Pugh who became a guard like three years in his career.
26:22 And then Rashawn Slater's right at that 33 inch mark.
26:25 So Peter Skowronski, I say like people, Oh, does it really matter this time?
26:30 Last year we all thought Peter Skowronski is going to be the first tackle off the board.
26:33 He ended up being the third or fourth.
26:34 And then he played every snap at guard for the Tennessee Titans this year.
26:37 Like it matters for 32 and seven eighths, get ready to learn interior offensive line,
26:43 buddy.
26:44 That's just the way the NFL looks at it.
26:45 A hundred percent.
26:46 So, uh, there's, I'd say there's two projected like top 40 picks to kind of watch in that
26:52 range.
26:53 And it's, uh, Troy Fittanu from Washington and Jordan Morgan from Arizona who Morgan
26:58 actually, you know, speaking of 32 and seven eighths, he measured in at that at the senior
27:02 bowl a few weeks ago.
27:04 Now he's probably doing some arm stretches and you know, whatever drills they come up
27:09 with over this past month to stretch those out.
27:11 But those seem like the two top tackles that might have a little bit of worry about bumping
27:16 in inside the guard at the next level here.
27:19 Yeah.
27:20 And so you mentioned Jordan Morgan, the other one that people are kind of speculating on
27:23 is Troy Fittanu from Washington.
27:26 Is he going to come in everybody else?
27:27 I think just eyeballing people and I'm not good at this, but the, the, the people who
27:32 I always find it weird that there's always one or two guys that, you know, the draft
27:36 experts kind of start talking about, eh, it might come in shorter, might come in shorter.
27:40 And then they usually are either shorter right around there.
27:43 And I don't know if they talk to people at these guys' schools or they can just eyeball
27:46 and they know exactly what a 33 inch arm looks like.
27:48 But like, I just kind of always go by them.
27:50 And obviously, like you said, we know Morgan measured at the senior bowl.
27:53 He came up short in that, no pun intended.
27:56 And then, uh, the Fittanu again is the other one that, that these kinds of experts are
28:00 talking about is, Hey, he may not hit that 33 inch mark.
28:04 It doesn't mean it won't be a first round pick, but now he's a guard.
28:07 Now you're looking at him as a guard and the Patriots do not need to take another first
28:10 round of guard.
28:11 They don't.
28:12 Yup.
28:13 And I'd say like maybe they too, like Kansas is Dominique is a Poonie or Pony and then
28:21 a scram Barton, two other guys who played tackle or, you know, the Kansas guy, I think
28:27 he played guard as junior year.
28:29 And he, he moved outside, but those are two guys who played tackle last year.
28:33 And they'll probably project best inside at the next level.
28:36 But, um, you know, someone said Tyler Guyton at 34, I'd be surprised if he's there at 34,
28:44 especially after this week where, you know, he's one of these really athletic guys who's
28:48 probably going to, uh, kind of impress at the combine, but, uh, any other, you know,
28:55 titles you're watching, whether it's arm length or athletically or just anything else throughout
28:59 this week.
29:00 So the important thing here, and I won't do the whole, they run the 40 time.
29:04 Cause that's how, you know, to cover punch, be able to, you can read it.
29:07 It's up on 98 five sports.com, but I think something a lot of people don't pay attention
29:12 to.
29:13 So when you get to 40 times, they give them in 10 yards splits and you can go on NFL.com
29:18 and they'll tell you, you know, okay.
29:19 It took them like 1.5 seconds to get to 10 yards.
29:22 And this is how long it took him to get to 20 and 30.
29:24 And for linemen, I don't really care about the 40 time.
29:27 I, um, what's his name from the jets ran that, uh, Becton ran that insane 40 at like 370
29:33 pounds.
29:34 Everybody freaked out and has McKay back then doing his 10 yard split.
29:39 Wasn't great.
29:40 I mean, it was good, but it wasn't so unbelievable for the linemen.
29:46 You want to go in and look at the 10 yard splits because what that will show you is
29:51 how quickly, how explosively do they get out of their stance and get up and get in.
29:55 This applies to a lot, like even receivers, two guys run a four or five 40, not all four
30:00 or fives are the same.
30:01 Like, cause how often are you running 40 yards uninterrupted more often than not even deeper
30:05 route combinations, you're running 10 to 15 yards and then making some kind of cut.
30:10 So you know, if two guys run a four or five, but one guy's 20 yard split is much better
30:15 than the other guy's 20 yard split.
30:17 Give me the guy that got up to speed quicker rather than the guy that slowly built up with
30:22 linemen.
30:23 You don't care as much about the 20, but the 10 again, how powerful, how explosive did
30:28 the get out of the stance and get going?
30:31 Cause that shows you leg strength, core strength, all of that.
30:33 So when you're looking at the tackles, I feel a lot of people roll their eyes at the tackle
30:37 forties, the actual 40 number, you don't put a ton of stock into them.
30:42 Not saying don't put a ton of, they don't.
30:44 And you don't have to.
30:45 But there is valuable information there.
30:48 You just got to dig a little deeper to find it.
30:50 Yeah.
30:51 I mean, there shouldn't be too many plays where your linemen are running 40 yards on
30:54 Sundays, right?
30:55 Something's probably gone horribly wrong.
30:57 You're talking about a Jacoby Myers kind of lateral play.
30:59 Yeah.
31:00 So you want that, that 10 yard split is really important cause that's, you know, they're
31:03 pulling, they're getting out in space and they're working within that 10 yards.
31:06 So, so that's what, that's what you want there.
31:09 But let's take one last very quick break.
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32:40 So very quickly before we go over to some defenders and some defensive guys, any other
32:46 running backs or tight ends that we didn't touch on with past catchers that you're kind
32:52 of looking at as probably some needs here and some holes in the later rounds for the
32:57 Patriots.
32:58 Just in general, just a tight end position I think is one that generally shines at the
33:03 combine.
33:04 So who stands out from that group?
33:05 Yeah.
33:06 No running backs.
33:07 Dylan Labbe.
33:08 I mean, like I'm interested, I don't know that any one guy stands out.
33:12 It's more for me like just let them work out and we'll see where it falls.
33:16 We'll see who pops.
33:17 There's nobody, you know, oh, well this guy I think is make or break or this guy.
33:22 Just kind of let's see what the numbers are and we'll react to them.
33:25 Yep.
33:26 All right.
33:27 So we'll switch over to defense and we'll wrap it up there.
33:30 Obviously I think the biggest need is up front.
33:33 The Patriots release Lawrence guy, Josh Uche is a free agent.
33:38 Matthew Judon's future with the team is undecided with last year of his deal coming off the
33:44 injury, no guaranteed money.
33:46 Something's going to have to budge there.
33:48 So you could be looking at some edge rushers in this draft and maybe early on day two if
33:53 they end up moving on from Judon there.
33:56 So we took Mohammed Kamara from Colorado State in our mock draft last week, who I think we're
34:02 both big fans of, but any other guys from that kind of edge rusher or defensive front
34:08 pool that you're watching in India?
34:11 I wouldn't, I mean there's a couple of specific names, guys like Nelson Caesar, Javon Solomon,
34:16 um, Alex Hunt's a really interesting player from Houston Christian who kind of projects
34:21 as more athletic, but big picture.
34:23 Let's say the Patriots lose Josh Uche, right?
34:25 And they need it at a situational pass rush.
34:28 They want to do that from the draft.
34:30 That position, like specifically that role that Uche is playing is based heavily in just
34:35 rock lettuces, right?
34:36 And explosiveness.
34:37 So all right, if we're going to do the whole round four, round five athletic pass rushers,
34:43 there's a chance to find out who's the most athletic and who's the most explosive and,
34:47 and put some numbers behind that.
34:48 So there's like a group of guys that we all, that we know are like athletic edge guys.
34:53 I just ran off some names, Xavier, uh, Thomas from Clemson's another one, but who really
34:57 is from that group, like who really stands out as like the best of the best in terms
35:01 of the athletes.
35:02 So that's, that's kind of what I'm looking for is just who, who pops from the day three
35:07 guys as maybe a potential, uh, Josh Uche replacement.
35:11 Yep.
35:12 I mean, if you want to get the athletic replacement, this is the chance to find them obviously at
35:17 the combine.
35:18 Have you done anything on J Alex Hunt?
35:19 So I just kind of stumbled.
35:21 Not really.
35:22 No.
35:23 So I, and I honestly, this is how like what schools he from, did you say?
35:27 Uh, Houston Christian or what it used to be Houston Baptist is now called Christian.
35:32 So yeah, I I've done, I want to do more work on him and I was kind of using the combine
35:38 as a jumping off point.
35:40 Um, so he was a safety at Cornell after playing wide receiver in high school and just came
35:49 out and dominated and then at a growth spurt.
35:52 So he's six, four to 40.
35:54 Like I'll give you right now from the draft network strengths, size and length, athletic
36:00 profile, natural feel for the prep pass rush.
36:03 And the concerns are basically that like, he's never really played.
36:07 He's played edge rusher for one season and he did at the FCS level.
36:09 Like he just changed positions.
36:11 So that's the, I mean, bill was still here.
36:14 That's the guy where we're circling for them to take in the third, we were supposed to
36:17 go in like the fifth, um, fifth or the sixth.
36:20 But yeah, that's the kind of guy where they can kind of go bridge at edge rusher.
36:26 Maybe if you feel like you're going to get a lot more from Keon white, you're going to
36:29 play in like 65, 70%, something like that.
36:34 Um, maybe you, you get him as a developmental player.
36:37 Uh, so he'll be really interesting to watch cause there's not a ton of exposure to him
36:41 at all.
36:42 There's not a ton of, you know, he spent most time playing safety and how much of that,
36:45 it's not like he's moved from safety to linebacker.
36:47 Now it's just a coverage linebacker move from safety to edge rusher.
36:51 So he's a guy that will be really interesting to watch.
36:54 But again, just the athletic guys in that range of the draft overall.
36:56 Yeah.
36:57 I mean, I was just watching some clips of him and I mean, he looks like he moves like
37:02 a safety still, but he's Dane Bruegel had a tweet, like he'd added 50 plus pounds after
37:07 playing defensive back and he's still, you know, moves like a, like a defensive back
37:12 just along the edge there.
37:14 So there was a guy like that last year.
37:16 Who was it?
37:17 I'm trying to remember.
37:18 I feel like there's a ton of guys this year that, uh, no, there was one specific guy.
37:23 Cause you just gave me deja vu of saying like, oh yeah, he moves like a, uh, he was a safety
37:29 and he moves like a safety, but they moved on.
37:31 Was it Owen Pappo?
37:32 Is that what I'm thinking of?
37:33 I mean, he's kind of Martin, I guess.
37:36 Oh, sir.
37:37 Rossie a Dennis from Pitt.
37:39 Okay.
37:40 That's I use.
37:41 That's what I, cause he had that profile where like he was probably, it was a little different.
37:46 Um, he, Pitt plays a really unique defensive system, so he didn't, he played both safety
37:54 and linebacker essentially.
37:55 Like he did, they kind of combine the Kyle Duggar role.
38:02 Imagine a Kyle Duggar role.
38:05 Kyle Duggar's role involved more pass washing.
38:08 We're like, they'd put them kind of off the tight end.
38:11 And then you didn't know if he was either going to run with the tight end or rush.
38:14 So he, it was this really unique thing anyway, is a little bit different, but I kind of said
38:20 the same thing where it's like, you're drafting a guy who unique makeup plays multiple spots.
38:26 He's a guy who was a safety a year ago and is listed by some people as a defensive lineman.
38:31 Yeah.
38:32 Yeah.
38:33 I feel like there were a bunch of guys this year that have like switched like the, uh,
38:37 the safety from Utah.
38:38 Who's like a run.
38:39 He actually played running back still at college.
38:43 And then like Vocky, right?
38:45 Yeah.
38:46 Vocky.
38:47 And then like Byron Murphy, the Texas defensive tackle who went first overall in your randomness
38:51 mock draft today.
38:52 But, uh, I mean, he was like a running back and a linebacker.
38:56 Now he's like this freakish defensive lineman.
38:58 So there, there are a ton of these guys who have switched positions that are, are going
39:01 to kind of, you know, should ball out.
39:03 You think athletically at the combine and raise their stocks, but, uh, very quick, cause we're
39:08 under the gun here.
39:10 Uh, last two positions, just either at that second or third level of the defense, any
39:16 names you might want to see climb this week, some of these, these athletes or guys on your
39:21 radar.
39:22 Um, I'm really curious.
39:23 The guy who's just, I'm having a ton of trouble getting a read on his stock.
39:26 I'm seeing him anywhere from, you know, the late one hundreds all the way down to like
39:30 a fringe top 200 pick.
39:32 And that is, um, as I blank on his name from Auburn, uh, Jalen Simpson, who is another
39:38 one of these combo guys came in as a boundary corner and played boundary corner for his
39:41 first three years and moved free safety last year.
39:43 He, he's such a great fit for what the Patriots need, but it's a different conversation if
39:49 you're taking him in the one thirties and one forties versus if you have to take him
39:52 at 90.
39:53 So I'm kind of curious how he tests and to get a better idea of how the league views
39:59 him and maybe that goes beyond testing.
40:01 Maybe that's just kind of the reporting that comes out of the week directly or indirectly.
40:05 People network and then, you know, everybody goes and writes their mock drafts, what they
40:08 know, but they can't say, but they put it out there.
40:10 So, um, he's just somebody I, it, there's always a couple of players like this every
40:14 year where it's like, I hate you on the second, he can go on the fifth.
40:17 I wouldn't be surprised either way.
40:18 Right?
40:19 So Jalen Simpson is that guy for me this year, one of those guys for me this year.
40:24 And just because he's, they're not always guys I'm looking at for the Patriots.
40:27 He's somebody I love, love, love the fit for the Patriots.
40:31 So I'm interested in seeing a little more of what kind of how the league views him and
40:34 what his deal is.
40:35 Yup.
40:36 And it feels like there's a lot of those, you know, tall lengthy corners who, you know,
40:40 might interest the Patriots, you know, later in the draft, always interested to see how
40:44 those guys, you know, can, can their size match the athleticism and good tests, uh,
40:50 obviously this week to, to prove that.
40:52 So, uh, that will do it.
40:55 Uh, we're under the gun here, so we'll sign off at six here, but that is our combine preview.
41:01 Elliot Wolf, who looks like the man in charge, we'll speak at the combine tomorrow at 10
41:06 AM.
41:07 So make sure everyone tunes into that one.
41:09 Uh, we'll be back sometime this week.
41:11 We're still kind of figuring out the shows cause I'm, I'm traveling out there with Taylor
41:16 to go, you know, watch some of this and talk to some of these players.
41:19 So make sure you follow Patriots CLNS on Twitter, follow Alex on Twitter and follow me on Twitter.
41:25 And we will keep you guys up to date when, when, when our shows are going to be live
41:30 here over the next, next week to break it down, but also make sure you go over to 985
41:34 the sports hub.com to read all Alex's work on the combine as well as pats pulpit.com
41:39 to check out mine as well.
41:41 Thank you all as always for tuning in tonight and we will see you guys sometime later this
41:45 week.
41:46 Bye.
41:46 Bye.