LIVE Patriots Daily: Talking Alex Van Pelt's Ideal QB w/ Alex Barth

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In the newest episode of "Patriots Daily," Taylor Kyles of CLNS Media teams up with Alex Barth from 98.5 The Sports Hub to talk OC Alex Van Pelt's ideal quarterback, free agent options at the position, comparing top QB prospects to ice cream flavors, and more!

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00:00:00 [MUSIC]
00:00:10 What's going on everyone?
00:00:17 Taylor Collins here for CLNS Media with another episode of Pat's Daily,
00:00:20 brought to you by our friends at FanDuel Sportsbooks.
00:00:23 More from them later.
00:00:24 It's not the best damn day of the week on the calendar, but
00:00:27 really busy day today, so we had to bump it a little bit.
00:00:30 But we're still gonna have fun people, still a lot of stuff to talk about.
00:00:33 We got to hear from each of the Patriots new coordinators yesterday.
00:00:37 This episode is mostly gonna focus on Alex Van Pelt, the quarterback situation.
00:00:41 We got some new information from his perspective, what he's looking for.
00:00:45 Mike Reese shed a little bit more light on how the Patriots view their internal
00:00:49 candidates.
00:00:50 But quickly, before we get started, I do wanna touch on the other coordinators that
00:00:54 we heard from and get your thoughts.
00:00:55 But Alex, before we do any of that, how are you, my friend?
00:00:59 >> I'm good, it's heating up, the offseason's heating up.
00:01:01 We got rumors flying and we got the combine next week and
00:01:04 then it'll be free to see before you know it.
00:01:06 So we're locking in here, it's about time.
00:01:09 >> Yes, sir, next week we will have a combine preview show for you.
00:01:12 You know we gotta stay on top of all things college or
00:01:15 I guess in this case, almost draft football.
00:01:18 But yeah, so before we get into Alex Van Pelt and everything we learned from him,
00:01:22 what were some of your thoughts real quick on DeMarcus Covington and Jeremy Springer?
00:01:26 Covington, obviously someone we're familiar with, but
00:01:29 we got a little more insight into how he wants to run the system, his philosophies.
00:01:32 And then Jeremy Springer, just the energizer bunny, the guy who's his passion
00:01:35 and energy, we got to hear that he's got some connections to Brendan Schooler,
00:01:40 which is pretty interesting.
00:01:41 Got some insight into how much he values the Patriots history and
00:01:44 their dominance and special teams during the dynasty era.
00:01:46 So what did you think about those guys?
00:01:48 >> Yeah, so I think with Covington first, cuz it's just an easy one.
00:01:52 I wasn't surprised with really anything he said, and
00:01:55 I mean that in the best way possible.
00:01:57 I've talked a lot about, and Taylor, we've talked about keeping continuity on
00:02:01 the defensive side of the ball, and what you had worked and not changing too much.
00:02:06 And Covington kind of made it sound like, yeah, we wanna be aggressive,
00:02:09 we wanna be physical, we wanna play technically sound.
00:02:12 But I don't think we're gonna get out there and be like, wow,
00:02:15 this is a whole new defense, this is a whole new scheme.
00:02:17 It sounds like the idea is to just kind of maintain what's been successful as it
00:02:21 should be.
00:02:22 And like I said, Springer, football guy, high energy, super passionate.
00:02:25 He reminds me a lot, if you were to ask me what coaches he reminds me of that I've
00:02:30 interacted with, I would probably name five or six college coaches
00:02:35 before I got to an NFL coach.
00:02:36 He is a big time college, and that's not surprising.
00:02:39 I mean, he's been in college most of his career.
00:02:41 He joined the Rams a couple years ago after about a decade working at different
00:02:45 division one colleges.
00:02:46 I think for a special teams coordinators in particular where we hope the Patriots
00:02:50 are gonna build their special teams a little differently where it's more,
00:02:54 you'll still have one or two I think core guys.
00:02:56 But a lot of it's gonna be younger guys who are maybe backups elsewhere that
00:03:01 are looking to earn more playing time.
00:03:04 So those are guys having a coach like that kind of can help them adjust to
00:03:08 the NFL level.
00:03:09 So I love Springer's attitude, I love the energy he approaches it with.
00:03:12 Look, we'll see if he can actually coach.
00:03:14 We weren't gonna learn that in a press conference.
00:03:16 But I think my big takeaway from all the pressers yesterday were,
00:03:20 these guys get it.
00:03:22 I think there's a real understanding of,
00:03:25 I don't think anybody is ignorant to the situation the team is in.
00:03:30 And it's not, hey, we're just gonna walk in here and
00:03:33 it's gonna take care of itself and we're gonna be contenders.
00:03:36 There's gonna have to be work from the coaching staff in order to kind of
00:03:39 maximize what the unit they have.
00:03:42 And I think that there's a real understanding of that,
00:03:43 which isn't always the case.
00:03:44 Now, understanding that and actually being able to act on that understanding and
00:03:49 produce results are two different things.
00:03:51 So we'll see if it actually pans out.
00:03:54 But I think the mindset is right.
00:03:56 For whatever that's, and some people may say that's worth nothing.
00:03:58 And if you wanna believe that, that's perfectly fine.
00:04:01 I don't think it's worth everything.
00:04:02 Cuz I think the last couple years they had some guys that,
00:04:05 like I don't wanna pick on Cam Accord, but I thought Cam Accord got it.
00:04:09 I thought he was a guy that really understood what he was there to do,
00:04:12 what he was supposed to be doing, the approach, all that.
00:04:13 It just never translated.
00:04:15 So I think the understanding is right.
00:04:17 I think the mindset is right with the coaching staff.
00:04:19 How it translates is ultimately gonna decide whether or
00:04:22 not they're a good staff as it should.
00:04:24 And I'm not gonna punish them for things they haven't done.
00:04:26 I'm not gonna celebrate them for things they haven't done.
00:04:28 We'll have to see, but it was just nice seeing that they're all on the same
00:04:34 page with each other and they're all on the same page with reality,
00:04:37 as crazy as that kinda sounds.
00:04:39 >> Yeah, I mean, no, I think you hit it on the head.
00:04:40 Because with all the uncertainty, like you said,
00:04:42 that we're gonna be dealing with, especially before the coaches were announced,
00:04:45 we had no idea what the staff was gonna look like.
00:04:47 And after hearing from the coordinators, it's very clear,
00:04:50 they have the same vision.
00:04:52 They wanna use more empathy, they wanna have relationships with these guys.
00:04:55 They want the collaborative effort.
00:04:57 I feel like that was something we heard time and
00:04:58 again, as these people wanna work together.
00:05:01 And I've seen some people kind of turning this into, well,
00:05:04 they're kind of like poo-pooing how Belichick did things.
00:05:07 Gerard Mayo was talking about having a bigger staff because it was so
00:05:10 small in the past, and how they wanna have all these, again,
00:05:13 the relationships and things like that.
00:05:15 And I kinda push back on that a little bit because I think that Robert Kraft and
00:05:18 Gerard Mayo have gone out of their way to credit Bill Belichick for
00:05:22 what he did and for building this organization up to what it was.
00:05:25 That said, it is impossible to ignore the fact that that kinda closed off system,
00:05:29 where like Gerard Mayo says, I don't want there to be silos.
00:05:32 I want everybody to feel heard.
00:05:33 We've seen several reports about the fact that people in the building,
00:05:36 especially scouts and people like that, didn't feel like their work was valued or
00:05:40 that they had a say in opinions.
00:05:42 And obviously, there's the fear of having too many cooks in the kitchen,
00:05:45 which is totally fair.
00:05:46 Again, we'll see how these guys gel.
00:05:48 But having that collaboration, getting differences of opinion,
00:05:51 if you can manage those, they can be a huge asset.
00:05:54 And not everyone is Bill Belichick, where you can have that small staff,
00:05:57 kinda keep your hands in several different pots and
00:05:59 oversee a bunch of things and do that effectively.
00:06:02 The Patriots still have a small staff.
00:06:04 It's not like a 49ers, they have a lot of assistant coaches, a lot of people.
00:06:08 It's still relatively small, but Gerard Mayo needs help with the senior offensive
00:06:12 advisor, bringing in people where he doesn't have as much on his plate.
00:06:15 I really do like the direction they're going in.
00:06:17 And this is just a part of the process where you don't wanna see red flags.
00:06:20 You just don't wanna have anything that you're actively worried about because of
00:06:23 something someone said, or it doesn't sound like they're really on the same page.
00:06:27 So for a first year head coach like Gerard Mayo, to have this kind of early
00:06:31 buy in where you do hear a pretty clear message from everyone.
00:06:34 I think that's exciting just from what we get at this point where we're not seeing
00:06:38 any football, we're not seeing drills, and
00:06:40 we don't get to actually see what the product's like on the field.
00:06:43 >> Yeah, I think the other important thing is just,
00:06:45 I understand why some people saw it as shots at Belichick.
00:06:50 I think the thing yesterday about the size of the staff could have definitely
00:06:53 been worded differently.
00:06:54 But one, they have a bigger staff, they don't have a big staff.
00:06:58 By NFL standard, they had the smallest staff in the league last year at 17
00:07:02 coaches, which became 15 by the end of the, it started as the smallest and
00:07:05 they lost two coaches during the course of the season.
00:07:09 The average staff size last year was 23, they're at 21 right now.
00:07:13 So they're still on the smaller side, and maybe Mayo doesn't realize that.
00:07:18 The other thing is, the way some things are changing in terms of the way they're
00:07:22 being done, and, well, Bill did it this way and he had so much success.
00:07:26 Well, this isn't the team Bill had.
00:07:29 Bill didn't really have teams with this talent level, and
00:07:32 when he did, they weren't good.
00:07:34 So- >> They got him fired.
00:07:35 [LAUGH] >> Right, even Bill's one rebuild,
00:07:39 which was 2009 to 2010, 11, those years where they're drafting Slater and
00:07:44 Gronk and Edelman and McCourty and Hightower and Chandler Jones,
00:07:49 like that, they were still always good enough to be.
00:07:53 He managed to rebuild without tearing it down, which was incredibly impressive.
00:07:57 This was a tear down rebuild, and
00:08:01 it just Belichick system works when you're winning games.
00:08:05 I don't think it translates as much when you lose it.
00:08:07 Now, I don't think Bill Belichick ever planned on losing games, nor should he.
00:08:11 And to go as long as he did without having to tear the thing down to the studs is
00:08:15 one of many tremendous testaments to what he did.
00:08:18 But you need a different approach with a young team that's coming off a four win
00:08:22 season than you do when you're contending for Super Bowls every year.
00:08:26 What will be really interesting to see is kind of when they get,
00:08:30 hopefully, when they get to the precipice and they are in contention again,
00:08:35 how much that Belichick stuff comes back.
00:08:39 And I hope we get to have that conversation.
00:08:40 It would be a very fun conversation to have.
00:08:42 Obviously, if the team never gets good, we don't get to have it.
00:08:46 Gerard Mayo's out and we move on from there.
00:08:49 But that to me is really where the Belichick stuff starts to come in.
00:08:53 >> Yeah, and then also one thing I didn't touch on yet, but
00:08:56 was the culture of wanting to build those relationships.
00:08:59 I kind of touched on it, but also because Belichick had his way,
00:09:03 where it was really kind of my way or the highway, more kind of,
00:09:06 I don't want to say dictatorship, but we all know how Bill ran his ship.
00:09:09 And also when we think about the kind of players he had under him,
00:09:12 that kind of thing worked.
00:09:14 And then one thing we keep hearing is how this is a different generation of players.
00:09:17 And even Brady, it was a different thing.
00:09:19 That's a 20 year relationship.
00:09:20 Those inevitably fall apart a lot of the time at some point.
00:09:23 But even he was kind of rubbed the wrong way by the fact that he didn't feel that
00:09:26 he was necessarily appreciated.
00:09:27 And when you're a defender, you don't really care what Bill Belichick says or
00:09:31 how he treats you, because this is one of the greatest defensive minds in history.
00:09:35 So when Bill Belichick tells you to do something, you do it.
00:09:37 When it's more Bill Belichick is the overseer, the CEO, and
00:09:40 you're not really getting the direct coaching from him on offense.
00:09:44 Where we see that things got kind of cold with Mac, we'll touch on him later.
00:09:47 And there was just a lack of sync on that side of the ball.
00:09:50 It excites me as we move into the Alex Van Pelt portion of the show,
00:09:53 where it's very clear that he's tagged as a relationship guy.
00:09:56 And he really values what Mayo's been saying, getting to know them,
00:09:59 making sure the players understand that you care about them and you understand them.
00:10:02 And can kind of adapt to different people,
00:10:04 treat them differently the way that they need to, based on their personality types.
00:10:08 And like you said, it'll be interesting to see how this experiment works.
00:10:11 Like, this could sound great on paper, and then once the season starts,
00:10:15 none of it makes any difference.
00:10:16 So we do still have to see.
00:10:17 But with Alex Van Pelt, first give me your overarching ideas of what he said,
00:10:21 because there was a lot from him.
00:10:23 >> So I think the biggest thing, and I mean, I've already talked about this.
00:10:26 It was my big takeaway from the little video they put out,
00:10:29 the digital team put out, whatever it was last week, two weeks ago.
00:10:33 The flexibility, and that he's gonna have a core scheme,
00:10:37 and you have to have a core scheme.
00:10:39 You're not gonna have Alex Van Pelt go out there and run A-rate.
00:10:42 But he has a core scheme, but he's willing to kind of mold
00:10:46 that around the personnel they end up with.
00:10:49 Now, I think he'll have a say in the personnel, and I don't think they're
00:10:53 gonna bring in guys that are totally alien to what he wants to do.
00:10:56 But I also think that there's some flexibility there,
00:10:58 which was maybe something that was an issue for the Patriots last year.
00:11:02 Something they used to be unbelievable at, but just kind of faded.
00:11:06 And I think if there's something that Van Pelt wants to do,
00:11:10 that they don't have the personnel to do, he'll de-emphasize it.
00:11:16 And if there's something else that he realizes they have the personnel to
00:11:19 really be lethal with, they'll emphasize that.
00:11:23 I don't think I'm breaking any news, Taylor, when I say the Patriots won't have
00:11:26 the most talented roster in the NFL next year.
00:11:28 And even if they get to that point, and I'm sure that that's the goal, but
00:11:32 that's at minimum three to four years away.
00:11:36 So if they wanna really make some noise and punch above their weight class,
00:11:41 the way you do that is maximize the talent you have.
00:11:44 It's finding guys, putting guys in situations where this guy does these one or
00:11:48 two things really well.
00:11:50 So we're gonna design our offense to maximize these guys doing these things.
00:11:55 And we have this guy, and we want him on the field because he does this, but
00:11:58 he's not very good at that.
00:12:00 So we're gonna make sure that we're scheming around him having to do that.
00:12:04 And he's mostly doing this instead of being like, just off the top of my head,
00:12:10 this wouldn't really apply, but like, all right, if you listen to Catch 22,
00:12:13 you know why I'm saying this.
00:12:15 All right, we want our slot receiver just running fade routes all day.
00:12:17 That's all we want him doing.
00:12:19 But, well, we weren't able to get a slot receiver who's a really good fade runner.
00:12:23 So we're just gonna have somebody who can't run fades run fades all day.
00:12:26 Like that kind of felt like it was the approach to the last couple of years,
00:12:29 especially with on offense,
00:12:30 which they're using tight ends in the blocking scheme.
00:12:33 Weird.
00:12:34 They were using running backs that didn't have a history of catching the balls
00:12:36 past catching running backs.
00:12:38 They were moving linemen in all these weird positions.
00:12:40 It was like these guys couldn't do these things, but the Patriots wanted to do it.
00:12:45 So they just kind of put their head down and went ahead and right.
00:12:48 I don't think van Pelt is gonna be that guy.
00:12:51 I think it's, I think to go back to the example I used there,
00:12:55 I don't think they'll end up there because if they want a slot receiver that runs
00:12:59 fades, they'll go get a slot receiver that runs fades.
00:13:02 That'll be a point.
00:13:03 But maybe that guy's hurt one week.
00:13:06 I don't think it will then be all right.
00:13:07 Well, we're gonna put Juju Smith Schuster there and
00:13:11 have him kind of try to run by guys.
00:13:12 I think it'll be all right.
00:13:14 What other things can we do this week?
00:13:16 Can we lean on the running backs?
00:13:18 Can we lean on the tight ends?
00:13:19 Can we lean on a different wide receiver?
00:13:20 Can we, that's something I felt like the Patriots struggled with the last few
00:13:24 years that it seems like van Pelt keeps hammering every chance he gets is.
00:13:30 Flexibility, versatility, multifaceted attack.
00:13:34 Again, he's, they're gonna run outside zone.
00:13:36 They're gonna be play action heavy.
00:13:37 They're gonna go vertical.
00:13:39 But those are all very general terms.
00:13:42 There are multiple ways of doing that.
00:13:44 And to me, it's all right, if we have kind of going back to being a game plan
00:13:48 offense, basically, but sort of bigger picture too with the personnel,
00:13:51 which is what they did when they were great.
00:13:53 They come out, what was the, in the playoffs in 14,
00:13:57 they come out against the Ravens.
00:14:00 Tom Brady throws like 50 passes.
00:14:01 I think they only ran the ball twice in the second half.
00:14:03 And next week in the AFC championship, Garrett Blount ran the ball like 35 times.
00:14:07 Right, two completely different game plans, and they were able to execute it.
00:14:11 And I think that's what van Pelt wants to be, which gets me excited,
00:14:14 because that's what you have to do.
00:14:16 If you want to pull off upsets in the NFL, you have to be multiple.
00:14:19 You have to maximize your skill sets to be able to punch above your weight class.
00:14:22 >> Yeah, and I feel like a lot of teams say that they want to be multiple and
00:14:25 they want to be adaptable and all these things.
00:14:28 But to your point, not every team can actually do it.
00:14:30 Like the Patriots say that every single year.
00:14:33 Like I said, past couple years, we haven't seen that.
00:14:34 Josh McDaniels was one of the best offensive coordinators in the league at
00:14:38 adapting to what he had, like the 2016 season, which was very similar to what
00:14:42 Alex van Pelt had to deal with, where you just have all these different combinations
00:14:45 of quarterbacks, and you have to adjust on the fly and say, okay,
00:14:48 this is what this quarterback does well.
00:14:49 This is how the roster can kind of support him.
00:14:52 And going that way, where with van Pelt, with McDaniels,
00:14:55 everybody was nervous because one, his head coach track record scared everybody off.
00:14:59 I don't think it should have for an offensive coordinator job.
00:15:01 But there was the Patriots and
00:15:02 Belichick connection where it's like, okay, he's been in the system forever.
00:15:05 I want something fresh.
00:15:07 Van Pelt made it a point to acknowledge how many different systems he's been in,
00:15:10 both as a quarterback and as an offensive coordinator or
00:15:13 just as a position coach, because he operated under center.
00:15:17 Then he was in an offense and operated a lot of K gun.
00:15:19 And then when he was coaching, he's bounced to all these different,
00:15:21 really highly respected coaches.
00:15:23 A lot of them have kind of similar base philosophies, but
00:15:26 there's still different systems that had to adapt to different types of personnel.
00:15:29 So that is something where he has the track record.
00:15:31 You've actually seen him be able to adapt his scheme and work around his players.
00:15:35 And he mentioned, he was asked, what do you look for in offensive linemen?
00:15:38 And it's intelligence, it's toughness, and it's being a good teammate.
00:15:42 And he said athleticism, but there was also, he said, hey,
00:15:44 if you're a mauler, we'll adapt to that.
00:15:47 We're not gonna ask a guy like DeJuan Jones, where they adapted the scheme
00:15:50 because DeJuan Jones wasn't a really good run blocker.
00:15:53 So instead, they put him in positions where if they did run to a side,
00:15:55 it was something he did very well.
00:15:57 But they tried to run the other way and adapt that way to make sure that they
00:16:00 weren't trying to fit square pegs and round holes.
00:16:03 To that point, with the quarterback situation, that's the biggest thing.
00:16:06 You build your offense primarily around your offensive line and your quarterback.
00:16:10 Those are the two big ones, cuz your run game is your offensive line.
00:16:12 And obviously, the passing game has to accentuate what your quarterback does
00:16:15 effectively.
00:16:16 Also, the run game, if they can do that, but that's kind of a given.
00:16:18 So he did mention, I'll read kind of his quote when he was asked what he looks for
00:16:23 in a quarterback.
00:16:24 He said he wants somebody who's smart, tough, and a leader.
00:16:26 You put them in those categories.
00:16:28 I mean, obviously, there's accuracy in the passing game in mobility and
00:16:31 decision making.
00:16:32 There's a lot that goes into it.
00:16:33 But at the end of the day, that role is such an important role,
00:16:36 not just for the offense, but for the team as well.
00:16:39 So a guy that's a true leader that can come in and
00:16:41 really understands his teammates and gets the best out of those guys.
00:16:44 The physical attributes are obviously important.
00:16:47 But if a guy's a great leader and can come in and make good decisions and
00:16:50 throw the ball accurately, those are all pluses.
00:16:52 But the guys that I've been around that are great players often are the best
00:16:56 leaders and the most competitive guys as well.
00:16:59 So you can adapt to whatever the guy does well.
00:17:02 That's not really it.
00:17:03 The core things you're looking for are a lot of the times is the intangibles,
00:17:06 that leadership was something he kept poking at.
00:17:09 So in your perspective, as we move on from that,
00:17:12 we talked about the comments, kind of what he feels.
00:17:14 Let's talk about what the Patriots options actually are this season.
00:17:18 So look at what, kind of the obvious one.
00:17:21 I know everybody hates talking about Matt Jones, I understand.
00:17:24 But it's a little more relevant, especially because today,
00:17:27 Mike Reese actually wrote a piece that touched on Matt Jones.
00:17:30 I'll read the little excerpt right now.
00:17:33 So it kind of starts with, so
00:17:34 could Matt Jones be the Patriots version of Jared Goff?
00:17:37 And the idea was that the Lions brought in Goff, but then built around him.
00:17:40 They used all those picks to build up the offensive line,
00:17:42 which is now arguably the best one in the league.
00:17:45 And then get a bunch of weapons like Sam Laporta, Jameer Gibbs, and
00:17:49 my gosh, Amad Ross St. Brown, sheesh.
00:17:52 And then he goes, it appeared the Patriots had their quarterback of the future after
00:17:56 taking Jones number 15 overall in 2021.
00:17:58 He had a promising rookie season under the guidance of offensive coordinator,
00:18:01 Josh McDaniels, and the Pats made the playoffs.
00:18:03 But high ranking team officials point to several Belichick decisions over the next,
00:18:07 or I think he means over the past two years.
00:18:09 From offensive coaching changes to regrettable personnel moves
00:18:12 that contributed to sabotaging Jones's development and crushing his confidence.
00:18:16 This is from Mike Reese.
00:18:17 Like Mike Reese is always honest, but usually he'll try to put a positive spin on it.
00:18:21 And this is very blunt from what he's hearing from his sources.
00:18:24 So new offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt said Wednesday that everything's on
00:18:27 the table as we've mentioned.
00:18:28 Then he goes on to say, this is what he heard,
00:18:31 when asked if he could envision the scenario in which Jones is starting in 2024.
00:18:35 Some within the organization seem hopeful that Jones can make a U-turn in New
00:18:38 England, but that hardly seems unanimous.
00:18:40 Which means Jones would have to win over many people.
00:18:44 Now this sheds a little bit more positivity on the Mac Jones angle.
00:18:48 I mean, if you are a proponent of Mac Jones, where before we were hearing that
00:18:52 it was almost a guarantee that he was gonna be on another team and
00:18:55 he was a trade candidate.
00:18:56 So after hearing Van Pelt's comments,
00:18:59 after hearing what we also got from Mike Reese, how do you feel about the possibility
00:19:03 that Mac Jones is on the roster this offseason?
00:19:06 >> I mean, I guess slightly higher, like when they hired Van Pelt,
00:19:09 remember I asked you guys that, do you feel like it's more or
00:19:10 less likely Mac Jones comes back?
00:19:12 And I went from like 10% to 12%, I don't know, 15% now.
00:19:17 Cuz Reese mentions high ranking officials.
00:19:20 If that's like Robert Kraft, I don't think that means a ton.
00:19:23 >> Right. >> And I know that sounds crazy to some
00:19:25 people, especially the people who think the Krafts are like pulling all the strings
00:19:28 behind the scenes.
00:19:30 I think if they go to Robert and they say, look, we know you like Mac and
00:19:35 you value the quarterback position here, but we're gonna take a guy third overall.
00:19:39 I think Robert Kraft wants a quarterback,
00:19:41 he doesn't want some transitional bridge guy.
00:19:45 He wants there to be a franchise quarterback in New England.
00:19:47 And I think if they sell him, hey, it's Drake May, hey, it's Jane Daniels.
00:19:51 As we saw in the first episode of the Dynasty,
00:19:54 he claims every Patriots quarterback is his son.
00:19:57 But he has no problem going from one son to the next son, right?
00:20:01 So Van Pelt to me yesterday was lukewarm, everything's on the table,
00:20:06 is a very nice way of saying I wouldn't count on it, right?
00:20:11 Then the only other two were Gerard Mayo and Elliott Wolfe.
00:20:15 And I just wrote about this on 985thesportsclub.com.
00:20:17 I think Elliott Wolfe is the big one.
00:20:19 So again, high ranking team official that Reese writes.
00:20:22 If that's Elliott Wolfe,
00:20:23 if we are to find out that it's Elliott Wolfe that said that, yeah,
00:20:26 I think Matt Jones is back next year.
00:20:28 If we were to find out that high ranking team official is,
00:20:31 I wouldn't even say Gerard Mayo.
00:20:33 I think Gerard Mayo definitely has a say in personnel.
00:20:35 But I think also there's gonna be some deference to Van Pelt and
00:20:41 just- >> 100%.
00:20:42 >> The offensive coaches running the offense, right?
00:20:45 So Wolfe's the big one.
00:20:48 Unless that's Elliott Wolfe, I don't put a ton of stock into it.
00:20:53 Cuz he also says, and just let me, I was trying to pull the quote up there.
00:20:57 Just give me a second here.
00:20:58 He also says, nope, that's the, where did I put it?
00:21:04 Here, some within the organization seem hopeful Jones
00:21:07 could make a U-turn to England.
00:21:08 But that hardly seems unanimous,
00:21:11 which means Jones would have to win over many people.
00:21:14 And I just don't know how he's winning over people when he doesn't have a chance
00:21:16 to do it on the field at this point.
00:21:18 So somebody up there clearly believes in him, and him turning it.
00:21:22 And look, I get it, I get it.
00:21:24 I think there's a chance he could turn around, whether it be here or elsewhere.
00:21:28 I think he's shown me enough as a rookie that again,
00:21:31 if he's put in a situation that's not a medieval torture dungeon for two years.
00:21:35 I don't think, maybe he's broken beyond repair, maybe he's not.
00:21:40 I don't think he's necessarily broken beyond repair.
00:21:42 That being said, when you look at the quarterbacks that are available to
00:21:45 the Patriots right now, in the uncertainty of the future,
00:21:48 I wouldn't bet my job on it.
00:21:50 I certainly wouldn't bet my job on Mac Jones having that bounce back.
00:21:53 I would not bet, cuz if you bet on Mac Jones and it doesn't work out, and
00:21:58 Jane Daniels, Drake May, Michael Penix become legitimate NFL starters.
00:22:02 And you get to the draft next year, and maybe you took MHJ, and so
00:22:07 you win like six or seven games.
00:22:09 So you're not in position draft shooter Sanders or Quinn Ewers.
00:22:12 So now you end up with like Carson Beck,
00:22:14 who's not the same caliber as any of the four players I just named.
00:22:17 Look, you threw it away, you threw away your chance.
00:22:22 You never know when you're gonna have a chance to add a lead quarterback
00:22:25 prospect again.
00:22:26 So I get why people would believe that.
00:22:29 If they had a bunch of other pieces around them, and they had the talent, and
00:22:32 it was just like, the coaching was bad, but man, the pieces are there, and
00:22:37 maybe they weren't picking as high, there's an argument for it.
00:22:40 When you have the third pick with the quarterbacks on the table, and so
00:22:45 much work that needs to be done around them,
00:22:46 I just think it's too logical to get a fresh start.
00:22:49 >> So here's the thing for me, I don't think there is any world,
00:22:52 I don't care who's understanding for the Patriots, I don't care if it's Kirk Cousins.
00:22:55 I do not see a world where they don't invest in a potential future quarterback.
00:23:00 Whether it's Daniels, May, Spencer Rattler even,
00:23:03 somebody who was seen as potentially one of the best quarterbacks whenever he was
00:23:07 gonna come out, and then obviously the situation changed, it's off,
00:23:10 it's just a dumpster fire.
00:23:12 And also he did some things that didn't help with the situation as well.
00:23:15 So I will say, in any of these permutations for
00:23:17 who the quarterback's gonna be, I do think they all have to consider the fact
00:23:21 that this was Mack for one year, or whoever for one year,
00:23:24 with the idea that they will be that bridge for the quarterback.
00:23:27 Whether it's somebody they think they can develop and start midway through the season,
00:23:30 or start all the way going into next season to make sure that their footwork and
00:23:33 their fundamentals are down before they get thrown out there.
00:23:36 >> I don't, Mack is a bridge guy is an interesting concept,
00:23:39 just because he's never gonna be a true bridge guy.
00:23:42 He's a guy you drafted with the first round pick.
00:23:44 If he comes back, he's competing to be your franchise quarterback.
00:23:50 You're not bringing him back to then get rid of him in a year.
00:23:53 Because if he plays okay, if he plays okay, and you have first round pick
00:23:59 Mac Jones, or third round pick Spencer Rattler, you just put,
00:24:04 you risk the Mac Jones, Bailey's happy dynamic again, which isn't good for anybody.
00:24:09 You're just doing it with a different guy.
00:24:11 >> With that, there's so many little caveats and things.
00:24:15 And I understand that it's frustrating.
00:24:17 We'll kind of get into why, as frustrating as it is to kind of figure out all
00:24:21 the ways you have to bend backwards to think of Mac staying on the team.
00:24:24 I understand they're annoying.
00:24:26 The market's not very good.
00:24:27 We'll get into that in the next part of the show.
00:24:29 But I think if you do keep Mac, you sit him down and
00:24:32 you have the conversation of listen, we are going to draft somebody.
00:24:36 We have to, I'm sorry, but we cannot bank after last season on you being our future.
00:24:41 So are you willing to be a team player?
00:24:44 Are you willing to do your best with the possibility that after this season,
00:24:49 we may not try to resign you no matter how well you do if this rookie is good
00:24:53 enough and seems ready and will you again be that team player and
00:24:56 not have the Bailey's happy situation.
00:24:58 >> So let me ask you this, what happens if he says no?
00:25:01 >> If he says no, then that's done deal.
00:25:03 Then you say, okay, we need to find somebody else.
00:25:06 Like I don't keep him because it's a desperate situation that they put
00:25:10 themselves in.
00:25:11 >> Right, and I think desperate times call for desperate measures, which is,
00:25:16 and like you just said, you don't love the quarterbacks at the top of the draft.
00:25:21 The thing is the quarterback position.
00:25:23 >> Free agency, I like the ones in the draft.
00:25:24 I don't like the- >> Okay, well, free agency.
00:25:26 >> I think they'll take somebody in the draft.
00:25:27 >> You'll never get, the days of Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers being,
00:25:31 Rodgers wasn't a free agent, but a free agent.
00:25:32 Like the quarterback surplus is done.
00:25:34 Maybe, maybe, maybe Trevor Lawrence becomes available next year.
00:25:38 But I hate the idea at the quarterback position in any way, shape, or
00:25:43 form saying we'll address it next year.
00:25:46 You don't do that at this position.
00:25:48 You don't half measure at this position, especially when you are Robert Kraft and
00:25:53 you just moved on from the greatest coach of all time.
00:25:56 You'd better have a plan.
00:25:57 And if the plan is just we'll address it next year, you have no idea,
00:26:02 no idea what the picture looks like next year.
00:26:04 And you can kind of parse and plan and this and that, but for all the, yeah,
00:26:09 cuz I was on last time with Joe Murray and
00:26:11 he kinda likes next year's quarterback class.
00:26:13 And look, agree to disagree, but it's here.
00:26:16 But let's look at it this way.
00:26:17 The top quarterbacks in next year's class.
00:26:20 Quinn Ewers has been, Quinn Ewers is good and I like Quinn Ewers.
00:26:24 I'm on the record as liking Quinn Ewers, but
00:26:25 I had him as quarterback four to five in this class.
00:26:28 I had him in kind of a different tier.
00:26:30 I think there are concerns about his size and his durability.
00:26:33 You look at Cheddar Sanders, he could go back to school again.
00:26:36 I don't think you can count on him with anything.
00:26:38 He's, and that's not a knock on him.
00:26:39 He probably loves playing for his dad.
00:26:41 Like go back to school, dude, make all the NIL money.
00:26:43 Be the face of the video game.
00:26:45 I don't care.
00:26:46 >> Especially if you're not getting pummeled in the X-Fighter Offensive line.
00:26:49 >> Cameron Ward has like one year of success.
00:26:51 He's a pure project.
00:26:53 He's not a guy you can bank on.
00:26:55 And Riley Leonard's not a developed passer.
00:26:57 Riley Leonard to me at this point is Sam Allinger.
00:26:59 So those are the guys you really hear about.
00:27:02 Cheddar goes back to school, Quinn Ewers gets hurt.
00:27:05 There's no franchise quarterback in the draft now.
00:27:09 So your plan, your two year plan at quarterback has now evaporated and
00:27:13 now you have to wait a whole other year.
00:27:15 And if you get to year three and you still suck, is Elliot Wolfe still here?
00:27:20 Is Gerard Mayol still here?
00:27:21 Are you willing to bet your job on it?
00:27:23 I just, again, it would be one thing if we were talking about receiver.
00:27:28 Or even I think like receiver tackle, they need to address those.
00:27:31 But you can short fix that and still get by because the expectation
00:27:35 isn't to win a Super Bowl.
00:27:36 It's just to be competitive again.
00:27:38 Because guess what?
00:27:40 There's gonna be good receivers in the draft next year.
00:27:42 And just the way it works, and people will say what I just did with
00:27:45 the quarterbacks you can do with the receivers.
00:27:47 If you really want to, you can try to do it.
00:27:51 But there's just, look at the number of receivers in this year's draft.
00:27:53 And every year, and these kids are doing these seven on seven leagues.
00:27:56 And the development at the wide receiver position is as strong as it's ever been.
00:28:00 There is more talent entering the league at the wide receiver position now
00:28:04 than there's ever been.
00:28:05 Where as quarterback, there's less talent as almost as there has ever been.
00:28:10 At tackle, that one's a little more tricky.
00:28:12 It's kind of in between.
00:28:14 But if you get the, here's the thing.
00:28:17 If you're, let's say you draft a tackle this year, and you win five or six games.
00:28:23 You're not gonna be able to draft an elite quarterback without giving up
00:28:26 a ton of trade up.
00:28:27 That's just the way the draft works, because quarterbacks go inherently higher.
00:28:30 If you draft a quarterback this year and win five or six games and
00:28:33 you get a bridge tackle, you can get a good tackle at the 10th, 11th, and
00:28:38 12th pick, cuz those guys just don't go as high.
00:28:41 So it's just the idea of quarterback two years out, the way the entire league works.
00:28:47 And that's not to say that there isn't gonna be potential ways to add
00:28:51 a quarterback in two years, but are you willing to bet your job on it?
00:28:55 I would bet my job that they can go out and
00:28:57 get an elite receiver next year if they pass this year.
00:29:00 I would bet my job that they'd find a way to go out and
00:29:02 get a starting caliber tackle next year if they don't this year.
00:29:06 I would not bet my job on that with the quarterback situation.
00:29:09 >> I think we are very much on the same page there.
00:29:11 I think if the idea is for a quarterback not to get drafted this year,
00:29:16 it's a flawed plan.
00:29:17 I 100% agree with that sentiment.
00:29:19 One thing I will say, I wanna pose this to you, cuz Daniel Jeremiah said
00:29:22 that if the Giants wanted to trade from 12 to 3,
00:29:25 he said it would probably take three second round takes.
00:29:28 >> Was it 12 to 3 or 6 to 3?
00:29:30 >> Was it 6 to 3?
00:29:31 Let me see.
00:29:31 I'll double check.
00:29:32 I think it was 3 to, let's see.
00:29:35 >> Cuz I- >> I'm sorry, it was 3 to 6.
00:29:38 I apologize, it was 3 to 6.
00:29:39 >> Okay, cuz I was gonna say, for the trade I saw,
00:29:41 if he's saying that 12 to 3, he's lost it.
00:29:43 >> Yeah, no, I'm sorry, my mistake.
00:29:45 But so in that scenario, he said you could get three seconds.
00:29:48 So it would be two second round picks this year and a second rounder next year.
00:29:51 Maybe you try to find some version of that where you also get a first round pick.
00:29:54 So in the scenario where you do trade to 6, and then by then say,
00:29:58 and the only way I think they don't take Jaden Daniels at 3,
00:30:01 is if they just don't like him that much.
00:30:03 And that's what Ben Mack could do.
00:30:05 A big reason he was brought in was to evaluate these quarterbacks.
00:30:08 So I'm not gonna say I'm gonna blindly trust Ben Mack, I don't.
00:30:12 But based on what we've heard about his preferences,
00:30:15 it seems like he does have a good eye for quarterbacks.
00:30:17 And Elliot Wolfe also respects his evaluation ability, and we like Elliot Wolfe.
00:30:22 So let's assume that if it's not Jaden Daniels, you do trade that pick,
00:30:26 he's off the board, you get a Spencer Rattler, maybe you get a Bo Nix, or
00:30:30 whoever you want as your developmental guy.
00:30:32 Then if they don't work out, and after a year you're saying,
00:30:35 I don't really like it.
00:30:36 Do you like the idea of taking those assets, especially if you can get a future
00:30:40 first, packaging two first, and getting the flexibility to move up the board, and
00:30:44 take a quarterback if you like them?
00:30:46 Again, with a quarterback on the roster that you can develop, but
00:30:49 just after a year if you're saying, I don't really know about it,
00:30:52 I'm not feeling great, you still have that flexibility.
00:30:54 What do you think about that?
00:30:55 >> Yeah, I don't love it.
00:30:56 I just think that, look, if you can get a haul, I guess, and you move down.
00:31:02 So like I said, no half measures a quarterback.
00:31:05 I think I've done this with you.
00:31:06 I've done it on enough shows where I go through the guys, let's do it.
00:31:10 Everybody talks about that plan, that, hey,
00:31:13 we're gonna take a guy on day two, everybody wants Jalen Hurts.
00:31:19 We'll take a guy on day two, and hey, if he works out, awesome,
00:31:22 we have a quarterback.
00:31:23 And if not, we have more assets cuz we traded back.
00:31:26 For every Jalen Hurts, there are 20 Stetson Bennets.
00:31:33 For every, why am I blanking on his name?
00:31:40 For every Brock Purdy, right, there's how many Sam Ellingers?
00:31:45 And it's just, it's not,
00:31:47 these are the guys who have gone on day two the last few years.
00:31:51 Will Levis, Henden Hooker, Desmond Ritter, Malik Willis, Matt Corral.
00:31:56 >> These have been some really bad classes.
00:31:59 Let's be fair as well, if we're talking about recent history,
00:32:02 because there have not been very good quarterback classes outside of those top
00:32:04 ones.
00:32:05 >> But this is what quarterback classes are now.
00:32:07 >> Yeah. >> Because the positions become so
00:32:09 demanding and you can't just be a good pass, you have to be a good runner and
00:32:13 you have to be a leader.
00:32:14 And teams don't want anything,
00:32:17 anything beyond the full package doesn't work in the modern NFL, it just doesn't.
00:32:21 So to me, if you can use, even if they move down, I was gonna say 68th pick,
00:32:27 but let's say they move down, they move up from the fourth to the 90s.
00:32:31 I would rather use the 90th pick on a tackle or a receiver or
00:32:35 a player that's actually gonna help you versus take a lottery ticket on
00:32:39 a quarterback because those lottery tickets just never, ever, ever hit.
00:32:44 And you're burning a top 100 pick that you could be using to support Mac Jones or
00:32:48 support whoever the quarterback is you're gonna take.
00:32:51 And I would even put like, Bo Nix in the second round in this category.
00:32:55 Like, if you wanna do that- >> I think he's gonna be a first one all
00:32:59 of a sudden.
00:33:00 >> First or second round.
00:33:00 >> Whether or not he should be, yeah, okay.
00:33:02 >> If you wanna do that thing where it's like, hey,
00:33:05 we're just gonna take a quarterback late as a flyer.
00:33:08 Joe Milton, Jordan Travis, Austin Reed, Carter Bradley.
00:33:12 I mean, you're talking about outside of the top 150.
00:33:17 But here's the thing, the hit rate on quarterbacks at that point
00:33:21 is almost identical to the hit rate on quarterbacks on day two.
00:33:24 So if you have the same chance of hitting on the guy,
00:33:29 why take him 100 picks earlier than you have to?
00:33:32 And the reality is if you don't think the guy's a lottery ticket,
00:33:35 if you truly believe, hey, Spencer Rattler's our guy, maybe you trade back.
00:33:41 But you take him in the first round.
00:33:42 >> Well, that's, yeah, 100%, 100%, I agree, I agree.
00:33:46 >> So to me, I'm of the believer, and this is a philosophy, I believe in it,
00:33:50 that you should take a quarterback at least every other year.
00:33:54 I think you should do that because you should keep the position stock.
00:33:57 To me, you either take him first or you take him last.
00:34:00 I have no interest in taking them in between, for a situation like the Patriots.
00:34:04 Now, what you're saying, like, hey, maybe you draft Spencer Rattler on day two.
00:34:09 If it's 2018 and you still have Tom Brady for another year or two and
00:34:12 you can evaluate the guy, then that becomes a very logical plan.
00:34:17 I don't think, when you have so many holes on your roster,
00:34:19 you don't have a quarterback in place.
00:34:21 I think just blindly throwing darts is not the answer.
00:34:24 I think you either make an elite investment or you just kinda tag it on at the end.
00:34:28 >> I mean, again, I completely agree, and this is all based on who they like.
00:34:33 If Drake May is there, pull the trigger, don't think twice.
00:34:36 I love that plan.
00:34:37 I think Drake May is gonna be McAdoo's QB1.
00:34:40 He's got the physical tools.
00:34:41 There's things that scare you, obviously.
00:34:43 Like I heard something yesterday on Dane Brugler and
00:34:46 Nate Tice's podcast where they were saying how he's in the bottom of the country
00:34:50 when it comes to second half touchdowns, and
00:34:52 way up there when it comes to second half interceptions.
00:34:55 There's things that can definitely scare you off.
00:34:57 But even if he's off the board and they don't like Jaden Daniels, and
00:35:00 then it becomes, all right, we're thinking about JJ, Bo Nix, Spencer Rattler.
00:35:04 I cannot emphasize enough,
00:35:06 I do think that they are going to get the quarterback that they like.
00:35:08 I think that will be their top priority.
00:35:10 But I also think that we have to be honest and say, okay, but
00:35:13 those guys might not play this first year, and still try to have that flexibility.
00:35:17 Again, if they like the guy, take him.
00:35:18 But if you're saying, all right, I don't like him,
00:35:20 I think picks would be more valuable,
00:35:21 because I could still get some quarterback later in the first round.
00:35:23 That's where you start thinking, okay, maybe get some other capital.
00:35:26 Or if somebody like, if KM Williams has a breakout season and he's fantastic, or
00:35:30 if Shadur Sanders does declare.
00:35:32 Then if you take that guy and you're like, all right, JJ,
00:35:35 I don't really think this is the guy, then you still have the flexibility.
00:35:39 But I wanna make it very clear,
00:35:41 I do think that they are going to bring in a quarterback and prioritize their guy.
00:35:44 >> And again, the only thing that worries me about that approach is,
00:35:47 if you're gonna take, if you even think there's a chance,
00:35:50 you should draft a quarterback with the impression that you're not gonna be doing
00:35:53 so again for a long time.
00:35:54 So if you even think there's a chance that, hey, we're gonna draft JJ this year,
00:35:59 and still be open to taking a quarterback next year, then no.
00:36:01 Then draft somebody who's gonna help the quarterback next year.
00:36:03 Like if you don't believe in any of these.
00:36:05 >> Yeah.
00:36:05 >> If you don't believe in a guy to the point where you're sitting there saying,
00:36:09 well, we're gonna take him now, but we might take another guy next year high.
00:36:12 Then you don't really believe in him enough to draft him.
00:36:14 And the only thing that scares me about moving down like three to six,
00:36:18 maybe the last time a team moved down in the top five and
00:36:24 still took it like moved down to take a quarterback in the top five was 1995.
00:36:29 >> Where did you find that?
00:36:31 >> I looked it up.
00:36:31 I wrote something about on 985sports.com.
00:36:33 Hang on, I'll pull up the whole table here.
00:36:35 Give me a second.
00:36:37 It's not something teams do because again, if you believe in the guy,
00:36:44 you take the guy.
00:36:45 If there's a quarterback on the board that you believe we will win a Super Bowl
00:36:49 with him, there's a plan in place.
00:36:52 What is worth getting back to give up potentially losing him?
00:36:56 So the last time a team traded down for quarterback at all in the first round,
00:36:59 Taylor, was in 2013 when the Bills went from eight to 16 to take EJ Emanuel.
00:37:04 He was the only quarterback that went that year.
00:37:06 >> [LAUGH] >> Before that, so that's 10 years ago.
00:37:11 You gotta go back another 10 years for last time it happened before that.
00:37:15 The Chicago Bears traded back from four to take Rex Grossman, but
00:37:20 they got two first round picks.
00:37:21 They got 13 and 22, and they took Rex Grossman at 22.
00:37:26 They missed out on Kyle Bowler.
00:37:29 In 2000- >> Went to the Super Bowl with him.
00:37:31 Went to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman.
00:37:33 >> Shout out Devin Hester.
00:37:34 And then what happened?
00:37:35 In 1999, the Bears again traded down from seven to 12.
00:37:41 Again, this is the team that's been trading down for quarterbacks is the Bears.
00:37:44 And how's their quarterback situation been?
00:37:47 They traded down from seven.
00:37:48 >> Perpetually horrendous.
00:37:49 >> They traded down from seven to 12 to take Cade McCown.
00:37:51 You know who went 11th?
00:37:53 Dante Culpepper via trade up.
00:37:57 And then the last time it happened in the top five in 1995,
00:38:00 the Carolina Panthers moved from one to five.
00:38:03 They took Kerry Collins.
00:38:04 Steve McNair went third.
00:38:06 So this is my point.
00:38:07 If you see something in a guy that is, this is a Super Bowl winning quarterback.
00:38:13 Odds are you're not the only team that sees it.
00:38:16 And maybe you think, based on the order right now, hey, we can move back from three.
00:38:22 Now, I think Jaden Daniels is going second, but just for the sake of argument.
00:38:25 Hey, we can move back from three to six because the Cardinals and
00:38:29 Chargers aren't taking a quarterback, right?
00:38:32 And maybe the Giants want MHJ, and that's why they're moving up.
00:38:35 So the Giants gonna move up to three and take MHJ.
00:38:38 The Cardinals are still committed to Kyler.
00:38:40 The Chargers obviously have Herbert.
00:38:41 And we can get Jaden Daniels at six.
00:38:44 And then all of a sudden Atlanta moves from eight to five and
00:38:46 takes Jaden Daniels.
00:38:47 And now your whole off season's blown up.
00:38:49 So it's, again, if you believe in the guy, you take him.
00:38:54 You don't play the games with it.
00:38:56 Patrick Mahomes was viewed as overdrafted.
00:38:58 People thought the Chiefs gave up too much to move up and
00:39:00 take Patrick Mahomes too high.
00:39:02 Does anybody ever talk about that?
00:39:05 >> Yeah, Patrick Mahomes worked out, but man,
00:39:06 if they just wait a little bit,
00:39:07 think about the other players they could have added to have with it.
00:39:09 No, if he's the guy, he's the guy, you take him.
00:39:13 If he's good, nobody's ever gonna talk about how you overdrafted him.
00:39:18 It becomes brilliant.
00:39:19 If he's bad, doesn't matter if you took him at three or six.
00:39:21 You have a bad quarterback, you need to move on anyway.
00:39:24 >> Yeah, I do think that if they like somebody, they will not hesitate.
00:39:28 I don't think they're gonna play the game of like, I like Jaden,
00:39:30 maybe he's there at five.
00:39:31 I don't think that's gonna happen.
00:39:32 If they like Jaden, they're gonna pull the trigger.
00:39:34 But I also think that if they do take that strategy of,
00:39:36 all right, we're gonna build around somebody,
00:39:38 you still have to take a developmental quarterback.
00:39:40 And somebody that's, I don't think Joe Milton cuts it.
00:39:43 I don't think Carter Bradley cuts it.
00:39:44 I think it's gotta be someone like that, Bo Nix or that.
00:39:47 Again, if they like the guy, because I think the fan base would burn down
00:39:52 July Stadium if they went into the next season with just a veteran and
00:39:56 Bailey or whoever.
00:39:57 You need somebody young.
00:39:58 But I do completely agree that if they need, or
00:40:01 if they really like one of these young guys, they like Jaden.
00:40:03 If they like Bo, whoever it is, I don't think they're gonna play games.
00:40:06 I think they're going to make an effort to get that guy.
00:40:08 We're gonna move on to, I think we've settled that.
00:40:11 Like the rookie quarterback, it's gonna happen.
00:40:12 They're gonna get somebody, whoever they like is gonna be their guide,
00:40:15 no question.
00:40:16 We're gonna talk about the very realistic possibility
00:40:19 that they bring in a veteran quarterback.
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00:41:04 >> All right, so Matt Jones, I think we're both kind of have the same
00:41:09 understanding that you don't want him to be the guy.
00:41:12 But there's the difference between not wanting Matt Jones to be the potential
00:41:16 bridge option.
00:41:17 And then actually looking at the reality of who's even available.
00:41:20 So I have Brad Spielberger's PFF free agency rankings.
00:41:23 We're gonna pull this up and get an idea of who the Patriots options even are.
00:41:29 If we're talking about replacing Matt Jones, if you don't like him.
00:41:31 So first option is Kirk Cousins.
00:41:34 Obviously, Kirk was one of the best quarter,
00:41:35 has been one of the better quarterbacks in the league.
00:41:37 Was like top ten before he got hurt, suffered an Achilles injury last year.
00:41:41 Which won an Achilles injury in week eight.
00:41:43 That's a pretty long time frame, but you don't know how he's gonna look exactly.
00:41:47 But still, I think everybody understands he's worth the investment.
00:41:49 Do you think there's a realistic possibility that he's even going to
00:41:52 entertain coming to the Patriots?
00:41:53 >> No, and I don't think the other way either.
00:41:56 I don't think that he fits.
00:41:58 They need some sort of semblance of future.
00:42:01 And I don't think you're gonna invest.
00:42:02 I mean, look, they have Kirk Cousins projected contract at 35 million a year.
00:42:06 That plus a first round pick investment on a quarterback is just overly massive.
00:42:10 So I don't think it makes sense in either direction, frankly.
00:42:15 >> Yep, agreed, all right.
00:42:17 Especially this is a team that's rebuilding.
00:42:18 I don't think you're gonna commit $35 million where they're at right now.
00:42:22 Ryan Tannehill, honestly, I think he, if we're talking about,
00:42:26 if the Mac thing doesn't work out, if they say in the building, this is toxic,
00:42:29 we need to move on.
00:42:30 I completely understand that possibility.
00:42:32 Anything I said that's pro Mac is with the understanding that he flips a switch.
00:42:36 He's 25, let's also understand that.
00:42:38 This isn't like some 30 year old who's got to change his whole personality.
00:42:40 This is a young guy who was not put in position to succeed for
00:42:43 two straight years, almost actively hindered.
00:42:46 And now he's got to rebuild himself.
00:42:48 So if they do not believe he can do that, which is a very realistic possibility,
00:42:52 I think Ryan Tannehill might be the guy.
00:42:54 Now, with that said, he was not very good.
00:42:57 I'll pull up, I have the stats somewhere right here,
00:43:00 a fridge and QB stats, because his numbers weren't very good.
00:43:04 He was kind of in and out of the lineup with Will Levis.
00:43:06 But looking at his average time to throw was the ninth fastest play action,
00:43:10 relied on it very heavily, which is six highest.
00:43:12 Now that does fit in Van Pelt system, he loves action.
00:43:16 He was 10th in yak rate, which means that in terms of quarterbacks who had at least
00:43:20 200 passes, he was 10th highest in the number of his passing yards that were
00:43:24 attributed yards after the catch.
00:43:25 Now again, that doesn't have to necessarily be a bad thing if you stock up on people
00:43:29 who are good after the catch.
00:43:30 Here's what scares me.
00:43:32 Turnover worthy play rate was the sixth highest among quarterbacks with 200
00:43:35 attempts.
00:43:36 And that's with him being in and out of the lineup and
00:43:38 his passer rating was a 78.5, which was the fifth lowest.
00:43:42 I will entertain the caveat, there was that first game where he just
00:43:46 force fed DeAndre Hopkins and kept getting picked off and it looked really,
00:43:49 really bad.
00:43:50 But even then his deep accuracy and arm strength when it came to especially
00:43:54 throwing over the middle wasn't very good.
00:43:56 Like you wanna talk about Mac Jones,
00:43:57 Tannehill is not really giving you a cannon either.
00:43:59 And a lot of his decisions were very like, for someone who's been in the league as
00:44:03 long as you have, you're scaring the crap out of me.
00:44:05 That said, he's well respected.
00:44:07 It seems like he's someone that he did lose his job, but
00:44:10 I think that was cuz they wanted to give the young guy a shot,
00:44:12 which could happen again next season, who knows.
00:44:14 But among these people, I don't like Tannehill as an option, but
00:44:17 he's not gonna be expensive.
00:44:18 And I think he at least gives you that leadership where he's gonna be someone
00:44:22 that's liked in the locker room and does his job.
00:44:24 Probably your best option, still don't love it, what do you think?
00:44:27 >> So I'll say this, when we talk about, I feel like I'm back in 2021,
00:44:30 cuz this is what we did back then.
00:44:33 You wanna have a veteran backup with your young quarterback,
00:44:36 with your rookie quarterback, right?
00:44:38 And ideally you want a guy who has a similar skill set so
00:44:41 he can kind of work with him and coach him.
00:44:44 So it's like when you fancy people pair dinners to wine,
00:44:48 it's like pairing quarterback to quarterback, who's complimentary,
00:44:50 who's the right flavor with each other.
00:44:52 I look at Drake May, I look at Ryan Tannehill, it's a logical pairing.
00:44:58 It's a logical pairing, I think they play.
00:45:00 Now, I'm talking like prime Ryan Tannehill played kind of the way you want
00:45:03 Drake May to play, not now, but he still remembers that even if he can't
00:45:06 physically do it anymore.
00:45:08 I think Ryan Tannehill would be a good influence on Drake May.
00:45:11 So if Drake May's the pick, signing Ryan Tannehill as the veteran backup
00:45:16 would make a lot of sense to me.
00:45:18 And Ryan Tannehill comes cuz maybe he knows, all right,
00:45:21 Drake May's not gonna start the year as the starter,
00:45:22 he's gonna start the year on the bench.
00:45:24 So I'll get maybe a month to put tape together and audition for teams.
00:45:29 Or if not, he goes to Brian Hoyer out and it's like, hey,
00:45:31 I'm just gonna go in, I'm gonna be a great mentor.
00:45:33 And was he the one that got, he said something about Malik Willis,
00:45:37 I forget if he got praised or- >> I don't remember,
00:45:41 I think I might have missed that one.
00:45:43 Cuz some quarterback, hang on, I gotta look this up now.
00:45:46 No, okay, no, he kind of dumped on mentoring Malik Willis, so
00:45:49 maybe he's not the guy- >> What did he say, the other quote?
00:45:55 >> He said it wasn't his job to mentor Malik Willis.
00:45:57 >> Very Brett Favre-esque.
00:46:00 >> Okay, so maybe not Tannehill, all right, so I'm actually out on Tannehill now,
00:46:04 cuz if he's not gonna be a mentor, then never mind.
00:46:06 >> And also I'm looking at his injury history,
00:46:08 he's got a high ankle sprain that he had in 2022 and 2023.
00:46:12 His ankle's just been an issue for the past couple years.
00:46:15 And that's one thing with this whole scenario,
00:46:18 is this is a person who could potentially start the entire season.
00:46:21 And that's gotta be on the table because you don't wanna force that young guy out
00:46:25 there, part of what we've seen with the Packers do.
00:46:27 Obviously, they were in a much cushier position where they didn't have to,
00:46:29 because they had great quarterbacks.
00:46:30 But at the same time, if this kid isn't ready,
00:46:33 it probably is gonna do more harm than good if this is your potential franchise.
00:46:35 And you rush him out there and then he starts developing bad habits,
00:46:38 a la Mac Jones.
00:46:39 So yeah, I didn't even know about the whole Malik Willis thing,
00:46:42 that one kinda hurts.
00:46:42 So yeah, so we're 0 for 2 so far.
00:46:45 Baker Mayfield, he's not getting out of Tampa, right?
00:46:48 Like obviously- >> No, no, no, no.
00:46:49 >> He does?
00:46:49 >> They have him ranked below 10, and he'll get out of here with that.
00:46:52 Absolutely not.
00:46:53 He's not getting out of Tampa, and he is the best,
00:46:56 I think he's better than Cousins.
00:46:59 I think he's younger, he doesn't have the injury history.
00:47:01 Like that's an absurd, I just figured they didn't put him on the list,
00:47:05 cuz we all assumed he's not getting out of Tampa.
00:47:06 That's an absurd ranking by the nerds at PFF.
00:47:10 >> No, Baker's not an option, as far as I'm concerned.
00:47:13 If he becomes an option, my one caveat to the whole, you gotta draft a guy,
00:47:17 because you need a future, and that's just, you do it through draft,
00:47:20 you don't- >> He's the one guy who could be that.
00:47:22 >> If Baker becomes available, sign me up for Baker and Marvin Harrison Jr.
00:47:27 That's- >> Yes.
00:47:28 >> I go that route at that point, but it's not gonna happen, so
00:47:31 we don't need to spend time on it.
00:47:33 >> And that's the thing, it's free agency, right?
00:47:35 This is not the Tom Brady sweepstakes.
00:47:37 >> Right. >> It's not the Aaron Rodgers
00:47:38 sweepstakes.
00:47:38 It's not the Peyton Manning sweepstakes.
00:47:40 This is not a good class, because in free agency,
00:47:43 it's the same with every position.
00:47:44 Good players who don't have red flags don't make it to market 90% of the time,
00:47:49 unless you're the Patriots.
00:47:50 And then when they do, if they are good players and they make it to the market,
00:47:53 there's usually a red flag injury or age or something like that.
00:47:56 Speaking of red flags, Gardner Minshew, I understand that watching the Germany game
00:48:01 and how chaotic he was, maybe was appealing to some people.
00:48:05 I thought it was traumatizing, and it made me not want any part of him.
00:48:08 Watching him pass up wide open receivers constantly,
00:48:11 right in front of his face was insane.
00:48:13 But I'll pull up some numbers just so I can actually really emphasize the fact
00:48:18 that you should not be wanting Gardner Minshew because he's basically giving you
00:48:21 a different version of Mac Jones.
00:48:22 Average time to throw, ninth fastest, average depth of target, tenth lowest.
00:48:27 So he's getting the ball out fast and
00:48:29 he's not throwing the ball downfield like you would expect from a gunslinger.
00:48:32 Big time throw percentage, he was the second lowest in the NFL last season.
00:48:37 Again, he's not a gunslinger, he's not making big throws.
00:48:39 However, he is putting the ball into harm's way.
00:48:42 He ranked sixth highest in turnover worthy play rate and
00:48:44 his passer rating was the tenth lowest.
00:48:47 I understand where it's coming from when you just like the allure of Gardner and
00:48:51 the character and all those things, his vibes are really cool.
00:48:53 He's super entertaining.
00:48:54 I think it would be absolutely insane to bring him in and
00:48:56 expect him to start an entire season.
00:48:58 Especially considering that most of his success last year came on RPOs and
00:49:02 you cannot run an offense that way.
00:49:05 >> Yeah, again, we talked about the pairing the quarterbacks.
00:49:08 If for some reason you think Bo Nix is the answer,
00:49:10 like this is the guy you're signing to be Bo Nix mentor.
00:49:12 But that's the only situation in which I would sign Gardner Minshew.
00:49:17 And I think if you drafted Bo Nix, the offseason is already a failure.
00:49:20 It doesn't matter what else he did.
00:49:22 >> Absolutely, and then again, the Gardner went to the Pro Bowl.
00:49:24 Honestly, that just shows you what the Pro Bowl is.
00:49:27 >> Didn't Tyler Huntley go last year?
00:49:29 He was a backup and he went.
00:49:31 So yeah, that doesn't count.
00:49:34 >> It's also fair, I know you could say, Mac Jones made it, that's very different.
00:49:38 >> So it doesn't count unless I want to antagonize people about Mac Jones,
00:49:41 then it counts.
00:49:42 >> Right, right.
00:49:43 [LAUGH] All right, Jacoby Percent.
00:49:45 I don't think anybody is gonna be against signing Jacoby, but
00:49:49 we're talking about someone who could potentially start the season.
00:49:51 Jacoby was supposed to start after he played really well for Sam Howell and
00:49:56 then immediately got hurt.
00:49:57 And he's 31 years old, not gonna be 32 for a while, but he's 31 years old and
00:50:01 he has a history of injuries.
00:50:02 Obviously, bring him in if you want a mentor and a guide, 100%,
00:50:06 everybody loves Jacoby.
00:50:08 But I don't think you can bring him in with the idea that he's gonna start for you.
00:50:11 I think you bring him in like a Brian Hoyer where he's an emergency option,
00:50:14 maybe not even just emergency, more like a spot starter, not your starter.
00:50:18 And then as that guy who keeps the room copacetic and just brings good vibes.
00:50:22 >> I think, look, if you draft Drake May or Jane Daniels and
00:50:26 you know that you're gonna give them a month, right?
00:50:29 All right, we're gonna give them a month before they start.
00:50:31 If you wanna sign Jacoby to start the first month, whatever.
00:50:34 That would be fine with me, but yeah, you're not signing him as a long term
00:50:37 starter.
00:50:37 And it's interesting cuz his play style is kind of in between Drake May and
00:50:41 Jane Daniels.
00:50:42 So I think he could serve as a mentor to both of those guys.
00:50:45 >> Yes, sir. All right, so yeah, everybody loves Jacoby,
00:50:48 just not if you're expecting somebody to start long term.
00:50:50 Jameis Winston.
00:50:51 >> Yes.
00:50:53 >> He couldn't unseat Derek Carr and Derek Carr's team started turning against him.
00:50:57 So I don't know what that says about Jameis.
00:51:00 Obviously another one of those guys if you want character,
00:51:03 if you want somebody who's been through a lot and
00:51:04 can give a ton of guidance and experience.
00:51:07 Sure, Jameis is in that kind of Jacoby Berset sort of category.
00:51:10 But in terms of what he gives you on the field, I don't know.
00:51:14 I don't know if he's the guy you want starting for a season.
00:51:17 >> Give me a quarterback room with Jameis Winston and Michael Panics.
00:51:19 Give me that.
00:51:23 >> They also have pretty similar body types too.
00:51:25 >> Yep, Jameis I think a little bigger, but yeah,
00:51:29 give me like if again, I'm Daniels or May, whoever's on the board.
00:51:34 But let's say it becomes Michael Panics.
00:51:36 I want Jameis Winston as Michael Panics mentor.
00:51:39 I think it makes a ton of sense.
00:51:42 The biggest issues in Winston's game early are issues Panics has now
00:51:48 outside of the injury thing.
00:51:49 So he's a guy I think could go to Michael Panics and really work with him on.
00:51:53 And I also think Jameis is the kind of guy that will be a mentor.
00:51:56 I think Jameis is the kind of guy that at this point in his career will embrace
00:52:00 that role.
00:52:01 Dude just loves being around football from everything I've seen and
00:52:04 like being around in whatever way.
00:52:05 I think last year was a bad situation for him, but man, would that be fun?
00:52:09 Michael, and they're both big,
00:52:10 I don't think people know what Panics' personality is at the time yet.
00:52:14 But I don't think he's as nuts as Jameis.
00:52:16 I don't think he's gonna be out there eating Ws, but
00:52:19 he's kind of a big personality.
00:52:20 He's a guy that has fun and is a little bit goofy.
00:52:23 So him and Winston, it'd be a ton of fun.
00:52:26 It would be electric.
00:52:26 I think he'd be a great mentor for him.
00:52:29 If Michael Panics is the guy, Jameis Winston is the one I'm signing as
00:52:33 the backup and the mentor.
00:52:35 And again, it's the thing where if he starts the first month before you go to
00:52:38 Panics, so be it.
00:52:40 >> Yeah, I agree.
00:52:41 >> Although I actually have Winston, I have Winston as a comp for
00:52:44 a different guy in the draft more directly.
00:52:46 He's my floor comp for Caleb Williams.
00:52:49 >> Like a hyper athletic kind of Jameis?
00:52:54 >> More athletic, yeah, more athletic, yeah.
00:52:56 >> I can see that, that like no risk it, no biscuit where it's like,
00:53:00 it can literally be a point where it's either gonna be one of the coolest ways
00:53:03 you've ever seen, or you're just gonna be like,
00:53:05 I don't even understand what in your brain thought you should do that.
00:53:08 That's a really good comp, I like that.
00:53:09 Before we actually get to Tara Taylor, 154th, let's acknowledge the fact
00:53:14 that we have gotten all the way past 150, and
00:53:17 we still do not have a potential starter for the entire season.
00:53:21 Again, if they don't like Mac and they think they need to move on because it's
00:53:25 a toxic situation, I'm all for it.
00:53:27 I don't want the bad vibes of what happened last year in the room.
00:53:31 If he turns it around and buys in, is like, yeah, I'll be a mentor,
00:53:34 like I'm really in no position to argue or debate or I have no leverage, cool.
00:53:39 He is your best option.
00:53:41 Do you disagree at this point that we're all the way this far in and
00:53:45 we still don't have a single person who could potentially start for
00:53:48 an entire season?
00:53:49 And then you could throw in like, all right, before we even get to Tara,
00:53:51 let's bring in some guys who aren't in free agency,
00:53:53 like a Russell Wilson or a Justin Fields.
00:53:56 Would you entertain either one of those guys considering you'd have to give
00:53:58 up capital?
00:53:59 I don't think you'd have to pay Justin because if they,
00:54:02 did they pick up a fifth year option or are they planning on it?
00:54:04 >> Who, Mac?
00:54:06 >> Justin Fields, Justin Fields.
00:54:07 >> Justin Fields, that's in May.
00:54:09 >> Right.
00:54:10 >> It's like a day or two after the draft.
00:54:12 >> Do you know, have you heard anything on if they're planning on it or not?
00:54:15 >> No, well, because everything's gonna trade him.
00:54:17 So you trade him without picking it up because there's inherent value whether
00:54:20 the team wants to pick it up or not.
00:54:22 >> Right, okay, so- >> I don't think the Bears will be making
00:54:25 that decision.
00:54:26 >> So with Fields, so let's talk about that.
00:54:28 Cuz Russell Wilson, honestly, I don't really wanna have that discussion,
00:54:31 to be totally honest.
00:54:31 If you have input, throw it.
00:54:33 I cannot stand him as a person or a player.
00:54:35 Just gonna put that out there.
00:54:36 So yeah, no Russell Wilson.
00:54:38 >> He's not a long term answer.
00:54:39 He's not a long, I'm not interested in anybody who's not a long term answer.
00:54:42 I'm not. >> Is Russell Wilson gonna be a mentor?
00:54:45 >> Your whole thing, that's the thing.
00:54:46 We're doing this like trying to find a starter.
00:54:48 You find a starter in the draft.
00:54:49 That's what you do.
00:54:50 You don't find starting quarterbacks in free agency.
00:54:51 So, but yeah, Russell Wilson to me, he's cooked.
00:54:54 He's cooked.
00:54:56 >> Yeah, but I honestly- >> Another compliment for Caleb Williams.
00:54:59 >> That's a good one.
00:55:00 And again, the ideal situation, best case scenario is you get the rookie,
00:55:03 they either start from day one or they start at some point in the season.
00:55:06 So you can go with a Jacoby or a Joe Flacco.
00:55:09 He's not on this list, which is kinda crazy.
00:55:12 He's not even on the list above Tyrod Taylor.
00:55:14 >> Everybody probably assumes he's gonna retire.
00:55:15 >> That's pretty fair.
00:55:17 >> Then again, Baker's what, 80 something?
00:55:19 So who knows, maybe he's further down there.
00:55:21 >> But yeah, that's the best case scenario.
00:55:24 I wanna emphasize that my whole Matt Jones take is that if they want somebody
00:55:29 who could potentially start the year while they let somebody sit and
00:55:31 develop the way that we've seen Packers quarterbacks do in the past,
00:55:34 he's really the only legitimate option.
00:55:36 But Justin Fields, let's talk about that.
00:55:38 >> Yeah. >> If you decide that you wanna trade for
00:55:40 him, what is it, like a second round pick you can get him for?
00:55:42 It was a late first or early second or something like that.
00:55:44 >> No, I would not give up a top 100 pick for Justin Fields.
00:55:50 >> I agree, I agree, not worth it, not a realistic option.
00:55:53 Okay, so Tyrod and Taylor, and we'll just lump Drew Lock into that mix as well.
00:55:58 Tyrod, there is a very close to 0% chance.
00:56:02 He even starts consecutive games from a health perspective.
00:56:06 Let's just be straight up with that.
00:56:07 Drew Lock- >> He's the unluckiest quarterback in
00:56:09 the history of the NFL.
00:56:10 I've always thought Tyrod Taylor's a good, now he's 35 now, he's passed it.
00:56:14 But I always thought Tyrod Taylor was a good player.
00:56:16 He just kept ending up in the worst.
00:56:19 I think if he ever ended up in the right situation,
00:56:20 he could have been a decent player and a multi-year NFL starter.
00:56:24 He just never ended up in the right situation.
00:56:26 But again, pairing the quarterbacks, him with Shane Daniels,
00:56:29 makes a ton of sense.
00:56:30 >> Yep, Tyrod Taylor's the opposite of Ryan Fitzpatrick.
00:56:35 Where every roster that Fitz is on, somehow the starter gets hurt.
00:56:39 Tyrod is the opposite, where he starts and somehow he's always the one who gets hurt,
00:56:44 and then this young quarterback has- >> His training staff literally stabbed him
00:56:48 in the lung.
00:56:49 >> Did they really?
00:56:51 Is that a thing?
00:56:52 >> Do you not know?
00:56:52 That's how Justin Herbert took over.
00:56:54 They were gonna sit Justin Herbert the whole first year, and
00:56:56 then Tyrod Taylor had to get some sort of, I don't know what it was, cortisone or
00:56:59 whatever shot before the game.
00:57:02 Like 20 minutes before kickoff, they punctured his lung, and
00:57:05 then Justin Herbert started, and obviously the rest is history.
00:57:08 No, he can't, and he was playing well.
00:57:12 It was like, obviously they had drafted Herbert,
00:57:13 he was gonna be the long term starter there.
00:57:15 But people were like, maybe they moved Tyrod at the deadline, or
00:57:18 in the offseason, he's gonna have some value as a starter.
00:57:21 And the training staff punctured his lung.
00:57:23 So I don't think- >> Did he sue?
00:57:27 >> I don't remember what ended up happening, but I remember at the time,
00:57:31 people were like, he's gonna own the Chargers.
00:57:33 He may not be their starting quarterback, he may be their owner after all of that.
00:57:37 >> The owner, my God.
00:57:39 And he's such a good guy, I mean, nobody does, not nobody.
00:57:41 >> He seems like a nice guy.
00:57:42 >> Most people know he's gonna get punctured in the youngs, but yeah,
00:57:43 he seems like a really nice guy, that sucks.
00:57:45 All right, so note to Rod, Drew Locke may be the only other semi-realistic option.
00:57:51 Although I do not want him starting a full season, but
00:57:53 if we're talking about somebody who can functionally do it,
00:57:55 in terms of he probably won't get hurt.
00:57:57 That's the biggest thing.
00:57:58 It's like the guys who you think could potentially start a lot of games
00:58:01 aren't gonna make it that long.
00:58:03 So what do you think about Drew?
00:58:04 Because the first game that he played for Seahawks last year, he wasn't great.
00:58:08 But I also didn't think they really fit it to his skill set.
00:58:10 The next week when they had that upset against the Eagles,
00:58:13 it was more quick stuff, things that really kind of fit his game more.
00:58:16 And honestly, he put together a good game, although for
00:58:18 the life of me, I don't understand why he doesn't step into throws.
00:58:21 Every throw he fades away, it is crazy.
00:58:24 It's like you think Mac is bad,
00:58:25 he'll do it from a completely clean pocket all the time.
00:58:28 Not even when he's worried about getting hit.
00:58:30 So, I mean, but at the same time, he's functional.
00:58:32 So what do you think about Drew?
00:58:33 >> I used to really like Drew Locke back in the day.
00:58:35 Yeah, if you need a guy to start three or four games around the rookie,
00:58:38 I think he can do that in terms of pairing him.
00:58:40 Maybe Michael Penix, I don't know that there's a great pairing there for him.
00:58:44 But I wouldn't be opposed to that.
00:58:45 By the way, look at Tyron Taylor sued the Chargers for $5 million.
00:58:48 >> Honestly, probably could have done it for more, but good for him.
00:58:52 >> He had a rib injury during the week, and
00:58:54 then they were giving him a pain killing shot, and they punctured his lung.
00:58:58 And he had to go to the hospital, like 20 minutes before the game.
00:59:00 And that's how Justin Herbert took over.
00:59:02 >> My God, and then wait, so he also, that happened with not the same thing, but
00:59:06 like Baker, he got hurt and then Baker started.
00:59:08 Did that happen with EJ Manuel, or did he replace EJ Manuel?
00:59:11 >> No, I think that happened with EJ Manuel, so.
00:59:14 >> That's crazy, bro.
00:59:15 Poor guy, my God.
00:59:18 And then last, Tyler Huntley, who you probably, I mean,
00:59:22 if they're gonna draft Jaden Daniels, he's the obvious.
00:59:26 >> Yeah, but he doesn't have skill set, but yeah, part of being a mentor,
00:59:31 like at that point, go get Tyron Taylor, right?
00:59:33 At that point, spend a, so he's one year, 4 million.
00:59:36 I didn't see what they had for Taylor, but I'd rather,
00:59:38 if you're gonna sign Tyler Huntley at that point, sign Tyron Taylor.
00:59:41 He's a better version of, better for the role you want.
00:59:45 Tyler Huntley may be a better quarterback at this point, he's younger.
00:59:48 But for what I really want that guy to do, I'd much rather have Tyron Taylor.
00:59:52 >> All right, so to summarize, once again, the free agent market is not good.
00:59:56 The two guys that we think who could actually make the Patriots a competitive
01:00:00 team if they started long term for the season,
01:00:03 are probably not gonna be available.
01:00:05 And if they are available, they're probably not gonna go to the Patriots.
01:00:07 So just to emphasize that and bring some perspective to the situation,
01:00:11 there aren't a lot of good options if you're looking for
01:00:14 a potential bridge quarterback.
01:00:16 You're gonna have to either go with somebody who can only be short term, or
01:00:19 if you want somebody long term, he's gonna be somebody who's probably not very,
01:00:22 not great like a Drew Locke, or if the Mac Jones situation works out.
01:00:26 But enough of that, let's move on to something a little bit more fun.
01:00:31 We're gonna compare the top three quarterbacks to ice cream flavors.
01:00:34 [LAUGH] So, not this one, that's probably the best one that we got.
01:00:39 But disregard the bottom of the screen.
01:00:41 But all right, so let's start with Caleb Williams.
01:00:44 Who is your comp?
01:00:45 This is one, I'm not even sure I have one.
01:00:46 I may take inspiration from you, cuz I'm not even sure yet.
01:00:50 What ice cream is so chaotic and
01:00:52 you could just feel one way or the other depending on the lick?
01:00:55 >> So I went a different way, just for the background.
01:00:57 We came up with this idea during the season that, we should do this.
01:01:00 Cuz people, we were complaining about how player comps are an imperfect science.
01:01:05 And it was, let's just compare them to ice cream flavors.
01:01:07 So I didn't even go necessarily in that direction.
01:01:10 I just went to help people picture this.
01:01:13 I went cookies and cream, it's the best option.
01:01:16 Cookies and cream, it's simple.
01:01:17 It's a little classic, it's a little new agey, mixed together.
01:01:21 It's fun, everybody likes it.
01:01:23 There's pretty consensus, yeah, it's the best.
01:01:26 So I went with cookies and cream.
01:01:28 >> All right, so I was thinking something like a Neapolitan.
01:01:31 Where if you get a scoop of Neapolitan, it's like, nobody likes all three flavors.
01:01:35 So it's like you're gonna have the one you probably like the best,
01:01:38 the one where you're like, all right, that's pretty good, I'll still take it.
01:01:40 And one where you're just like, I don't like it, I don't like it,
01:01:43 I just took that last lick.
01:01:44 So with Caleb, it's the same thing, where there's plays which is phenomenal.
01:01:48 And it's like, this guy's a freak.
01:01:49 And then there's some where it's like, all right, he's playing in structure,
01:01:53 it's the in between.
01:01:53 And then he has the ones where he'll just not see a zone defender or
01:01:57 throw directly into coverage.
01:01:59 Or just pass up easy things, do something that's completely batshit crazy.
01:02:03 And that's the chocolate for me, where it's just like the experience could be
01:02:06 anything different, just kind of depending on,
01:02:08 I'm not gonna use the word lick again.
01:02:10 [LAUGH] That's the last one I'm gonna use for the rest of this show.
01:02:13 All right, so yeah, Caleb Williams, completely chaotic.
01:02:16 Moving on, Drake May, I'll go, actually, no,
01:02:18 I want your opinion on this one first, I think it's gonna be interesting.
01:02:21 >> So I went Rocky Road, cuz it's gonna be a Rocky Road.
01:02:23 And look, a lot of people like Rocky Road.
01:02:25 But I wrote my scouting report of him on 985sportshub.com,
01:02:29 you gotta take the bad with the good.
01:02:32 You gotta be willing to put up with some turnovers and some headache.
01:02:34 He's gonna be an ice cream headache at times, no pun intended.
01:02:38 So I went with Rocky Road for Drake May.
01:02:41 >> Damn it, I shouldn't have let you go first, cuz that was my pick.
01:02:43 But I have another one.
01:02:44 >> You got another one?
01:02:45 >> We're on the same page, Butter Pecan.
01:02:47 >> Okay, I'm not a big pecan guy, so.
01:02:51 >> Exactly, see, now this was like me and my dad.
01:02:53 My dad loves Butter Pecan ice cream.
01:02:55 I can't understand why, it is such a weird flavor.
01:02:58 I've grown up, honestly, I've gotten used to it, I get it.
01:03:01 It's like a nice smooth flavor.
01:03:02 It's not really offensive, but
01:03:03 if you don't like nuts, you're not gonna like it.
01:03:05 And that is exactly what Drake May is.
01:03:07 We talked about polarizing.
01:03:08 Some people are gonna like it, he's their cup of tea.
01:03:10 He's probably gonna be more popular than pecan ice cream.
01:03:13 But I also think there's gonna be that contingent where it's like, nope,
01:03:15 get him out of my face.
01:03:16 I don't like him.
01:03:17 You're out of your mind.
01:03:18 I don't even understand why you would put that in front of me.
01:03:22 >> Well, so that's kinda where I went for Jaden Daniels.
01:03:24 So for Jaden Daniels, I had mint ice cream.
01:03:29 Or if you wanna call it chocolate chip mint, whatever, cuz here's why.
01:03:31 One, the people either love mint ice cream or hate mint ice cream.
01:03:37 Nobody is, yeah, mint ice cream, yeah, that's cool, whatever.
01:03:39 Nobody is just whatever about mint ice cream.
01:03:41 You feel strongly about it.
01:03:43 And the thing with mint ice cream is, you're not gonna go down to like
01:03:46 Crescent Ridge or like your local ice cream place and necessarily get mint.
01:03:51 That's more something that's used in fine dining cuisine.
01:03:56 You see it used more on the food network than you do just going down to the corner
01:04:00 store to get ice cream, you get a pint of mint.
01:04:02 Nobody's really gonna do that.
01:04:03 So with Jaden Daniels, it's about the chef.
01:04:05 He can become something truly spectacular.
01:04:08 But you gotta really cook it up and come up with something new and
01:04:13 awesome and special.
01:04:14 And if you do that, it'd be an absolute home run.
01:04:17 So that's what I had for Jaden Daniels.
01:04:20 >> I like that one a lot.
01:04:21 All right, so my next one for Jaden is bubble gum.
01:04:25 >> Okay.
01:04:26 >> So here's my thinking.
01:04:28 The passing is just like the ice cream itself.
01:04:30 We're like, you like bubble gum, you're like, this is pretty good.
01:04:32 You know, it's got that sweet kick I like it, satisfies the sweet tooth there.
01:04:36 And then it's like, but there's also pieces of bubble gum.
01:04:39 You don't get that for most pieces of most flavors ice cream where you get a whole
01:04:43 other candy, that's his running ability.
01:04:45 The guy can run, it's impressive.
01:04:47 But then the downside of bubble gum is you get excited, you're blowing that bubble.
01:04:51 Mom, look, look how big it is, look at that pop and explodes in your face.
01:04:56 And that is Jaden Daniels deciding, yeah, I just ripped off 60 yards.
01:04:59 Let me also try to put my shoulder down against a safety or
01:05:03 line pack or jump over an entire hurdle.
01:05:05 And then boom, a massive explosion because why in the world
01:05:10 did you put that much dip on your chip?
01:05:11 So for me, that was the logic behind Jaden Daniels and bubble gum.
01:05:16 You get the fun of the ice cream, you get the fun of the bubble gum, but
01:05:19 if you don't, if you take advantage and you don't limit yourself, you're going to
01:05:22 end up with bubble gum, you're going to look crazy.
01:05:24 You want, I got some others I got for the rest of the guys too.
01:05:27 You want these keep going.
01:05:28 I'm excited.
01:05:28 All right.
01:05:29 So Michael panics.
01:05:30 I went, I don't know what the flavor is called, but like ice, have you ever
01:05:33 had the ice cream with pop rocks in it?
01:05:35 Yes.
01:05:36 Yeah.
01:05:36 So two reasons, one just because the pop, the, the ball just exploding off as it's
01:05:42 explodes, like what's the most explosive ice cream.
01:05:44 And I almost went with rocket pop, like the popsicle, the ball just explodes off
01:05:48 his hands.
01:05:49 But the other thing is you're always worried his knees are going to pop.
01:05:52 So it kind of works to fold that.
01:05:55 That's my Michael Penn.
01:05:57 I know I was like, I had trouble.
01:05:59 So it works in two, it works in two ways, but Michael panics is pop rocks ice cream.
01:06:03 Um, wait, I think I got one too.
01:06:06 Okay.
01:06:06 All right.
01:06:07 So it's like when you get the ice cream, like after church or when you're at the
01:06:10 park or whatever, with the faces on it and they got the bubble gum in the eyes.
01:06:13 Oh, like those are from the ice cream truck.
01:06:15 Exactly.
01:06:16 Like those are awesome.
01:06:17 They're fun, but under pressure or under heat, they melt all over your hand.
01:06:22 And it's an absolute disaster.
01:06:23 What the hell was I thinking?
01:06:25 This is disgusting.
01:06:26 It's the same thing where panics is awesome.
01:06:29 He's a ton of fun under the right circumstances, but if you're going to
01:06:32 stand out in the sun and not eat that ice cream for like 10 minutes, it's
01:06:36 going to melt all in your hands.
01:06:37 He's going to completely cave under pressure.
01:06:39 And it's just like, okay, maybe I need to rethink my choices here.
01:06:41 I think that the last time that happened when I was a kid, I was like, never again.
01:06:44 I'm just not taking a chance anymore.
01:06:46 All right.
01:06:46 So for Bo Nix, vanilla, he's he's fine.
01:06:50 Fine.
01:06:52 Like he's kind of there, whatever.
01:06:54 I vanilla, I'm not going to get that excited.
01:06:58 I don't think you can argue that, but there's nothing, there's no other,
01:07:00 that's exactly what he is.
01:07:02 And that's not necessarily a bad thing.
01:07:03 It's just, it's vanilla.
01:07:04 It's, it's, you know, some Jimmy's gone.
01:07:08 Some Jimmy's.
01:07:09 No, but you're just plain vanilla.
01:07:11 No toppings.
01:07:11 The toppings would be if you surround him with Mike Evans and Marvin Harrison,
01:07:15 Jr.
01:07:16 Those guys are the toppings, right?
01:07:17 JJ McCarthy.
01:07:19 Empty bowl.
01:07:21 There could be any, there's the potential to have any kind of ice cream in that bowl.
01:07:25 But right now there's no ice cream in the bowl and it's up to you.
01:07:29 What kind of ice cream you want to put in the bowl?
01:07:30 If you're the team that drafts and you kind of turn them in, whatever
01:07:32 you want them to be, but there's nothing in the bowl right now.
01:07:35 So he's, he's an empty bowl.
01:07:37 There's the potential for there to be ice cream.
01:07:39 There is definitely potential for ice cream to be in the bowl, but as things
01:07:43 stand right now, the bowl itself is empty.
01:07:45 That's pretty funny.
01:07:46 I like that.
01:07:47 Okay.
01:07:47 Here's a pretty good question.
01:07:48 Okay.
01:07:49 Kind of vanilla.
01:07:50 I will wait.
01:07:51 Wait, wait, wait.
01:07:51 So I have another comp coming up that plays.
01:07:55 Okay.
01:07:55 Okay.
01:07:56 Oh, I'll see that one now.
01:07:57 Spencer Rattler birthday cake.
01:08:00 Cause it looks like vanilla at first glance.
01:08:04 It's vanilla, but there's a little something else there that like.
01:08:09 Hmm.
01:08:10 Okay.
01:08:11 This isn't vanilla.
01:08:11 This is a little something different and it's got a little twist to it and like,
01:08:15 at its core, it's still vanilla, but like vanilla plus.
01:08:19 Yeah.
01:08:20 So I guess then Bo Nix is like whatever store brand supermarket vanilla.
01:08:25 Like I love the like home style vanilla, but I went with birthday cake for Spencer
01:08:30 Rattler cause he's also like super young.
01:08:31 So, um, you want to call them home style, vanilla, buttermilk, vanilla birthday
01:08:36 cake, where it's like he's he's vanilla is a little something there.
01:08:40 That's interesting to me.
01:08:41 That's like not your usual vanilla.
01:08:43 And then I have one more.
01:08:45 All right.
01:08:46 This is, we are close.
01:08:46 What do you got?
01:08:47 All right.
01:08:47 Send us all.
01:08:48 You know, I had to get my boy, Joe Milton in here.
01:08:50 Of course.
01:08:51 Oh God.
01:08:52 Have you ever had cinnamon ice cream?
01:08:54 No, they make so ice cream.
01:08:56 They do.
01:08:57 I don't know whether or not it's good or bad, but it's definitely strong.
01:09:01 Like you, you feel it.
01:09:05 And whether or not you enjoy it or not kind of isn't the point, but you bite in
01:09:10 a cinnamon ice cream and you freaking know you bit in a cinnamon ice cream.
01:09:13 So that's Joe Milton.
01:09:15 Like, I don't know whether he's good or not, but I know he's strong.
01:09:19 I can tell you that right.
01:09:21 Whether or not that is translatable to anything.
01:09:24 I have no clue because he might be too strong, but that's, that's what I know
01:09:29 about him and that's all I know about him.
01:09:30 So Joe Milton is cinnamon ice cream to me.
01:09:33 I'm at please clip that and use that as the plug for the show.
01:09:36 That is sensational.
01:09:37 Didn't even know that existed.
01:09:38 All right, Alex, this has been a ton of fun as always.
01:09:41 Thank you so much.
01:09:42 Best damn day of the week on a Thursday, please let the people know where they
01:09:46 can find you and what exciting stuff you got coming down the pipeline.
01:09:50 Yep.
01:09:50 98, five, the sports hub.com.
01:09:52 I have some more stuff on van pelt up in a little bit.
01:09:54 Also some reactions to the dynasty episodes tonight.
01:09:57 Uh, recorded, excuse me, recorded a new, uh, catch 22 this morning with, with.
01:10:02 Evan as well.
01:10:03 Hang on before we wrap up, let's do this.
01:10:04 I mean, this is an interesting one.
01:10:06 I was going, I was going to do it.
01:10:07 What flavor ice cream is Mac Jones?
01:10:09 I think Mac is like Mac is vanilla ice cream.
01:10:16 And then you walk out and it falls off the cone.
01:10:19 That's what Mac is.
01:10:20 It's like, Oh, you know, this might be pretty good.
01:10:23 And then you don't even get to enjoy it because it's now on the ground.
01:10:26 And you're like, I'm not going back for another one.
01:10:28 I guess we're just going to have to live with it.
01:10:29 So I'll say, I'll say this one relative to the Patriots.
01:10:33 Relative to the current Patriots quarterback situation.
01:10:36 Mac Jones is Froyo.
01:10:37 We don't know if he counts or not.
01:10:39 Is Froyo ice cream.
01:10:41 It depends on you.
01:10:41 Some people would say yes.
01:10:43 Some people would say, no, is Mac Jones part of the Patriots
01:10:46 quarterback, uh, process moving forward?
01:10:49 Some people would say, yes.
01:10:50 Some people would say no as a hot dog, a sandwich.
01:10:52 That's kind of where we're at.
01:10:53 I think with Mac Jones at this point, that was fantastic.
01:10:56 That was really good.
01:10:57 But the cheese flavors, that was pretty hilarious.
01:10:58 All right.
01:10:59 Thank you all for your submissions.
01:11:00 Those are fantastic.
01:11:02 Uh, we're going to head out now, but I do have another show
01:11:05 at five o'clock with EJ Snyder.
01:11:07 I've been trying to get different people's perspectives outside of
01:11:09 the Patriots bubble on how they can go about this rebuild.
01:11:12 EJ is going to break it down with me.
01:11:13 So tune into that at five, but for now, take care of yourselves,
01:11:16 take care of each other, and we will see you next time.
01:11:19 Peace everybody.

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