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In the latest episode of "Patriots Daily," Taylor Kyles from CLNS Media collaborates with the Football Analyst/Scout/Owner of Trench Warfare, specializing in talking Pats OL and offseason options, to explore the Patriots' offensive line and potential moves for the position during the offseason.  This episode of the Patriots Daily Podcast is brought to you by:  Get buckets with your first bet on FanDuel, America’s Number One Sportsbook. Because right now, NEW customers get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS with any winning FIVE DOLLAR BET! That’s A HUNDRED AND FIFTY BUCKS – if your bet wins! Just, visit FanDuel.com/BOSTON and shoot your shot!  Bet on all your favorite NBA players and teams with:  ● Quick Bets ● Live Same Game Parlays ● Exclusive Props ● And more!  FanDuel, Official Sportsbook Partner of the NBA.  DISCLAIMER: Must be 21+ and present in select states. First online real money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. FanDuel is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino, LLC. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG in Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia and Vermont. Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 in Arizona, 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, 1-800-9-WITH-IT in Indiana, 1-800-522-4700 or visit ksgamblinghelp.com in Kansas, 1-877-770-STOP in Louisiana, visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland, visit 1800gambler.net in West Virginia, or call 1-800-522-4700 in Wyoming. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call (800) 327-5050 for 24/7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York.  #Patriots #NFL #NewEnglandPatriots

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00:00 Intro first and then we'll get going.

00:02 All right.

00:03 [MUSIC]

00:13 What's on everyone?

00:22 Taylor Kyle's here for CNS Media bringing you another episode of

00:25 Pat's Daily brought to you by our friends at FanDuel Sportsbooks.

00:29 More from them later.

00:30 But first, we're entering a very pivotal offseason.

00:33 Already in a pivotal offseason for the Patriots.

00:36 They're building out their staff.

00:37 We've been covering that for a while.

00:39 But the time is quickly approaching for them to start building out their roster.

00:43 And more important, I would say, quarterback is up there, but

00:45 right under there, I think, for them is the offensive line, specifically tackles.

00:49 So to get the best insight on the Patriots offensive line,

00:53 I've listed the help of Brandon Thorne, friend of the channel.

00:57 Brandon, thank you so much for coming on.

00:59 You do amazing work.

01:00 I was just telling you before the show about how heavily I lean on your work when

01:03 it comes to scouting these guys.

01:05 You do a great job at Bleacher Report with Trench Warfare.

01:08 Sign up also if you aren't already.

01:10 But Brandon, how are you doing?

01:12 And give me your thoughts on the Super Bowl also from more of a trenches

01:16 perspective, because this was a really big defensive battle and

01:19 it felt like a big one that was decided by the big boys down there.

01:23 >> Yeah, well, thanks for having me again.

01:25 I always appreciate coming on.

01:26 And yeah, man, I mean, as far as the Super Bowl,

01:29 I definitely think there were a few standout things in terms of the trenches.

01:33 And I think one of the more underrated ones,

01:36 now that they lost is just the 49ers front.

01:39 I just thought their defensive front was awesome in that game,

01:42 specifically Nick Bosa.

01:43 I think he was charted 9, 10 pressures or whatever.

01:48 So he was affecting the game pretty much throughout.

01:52 But also Javon Hargrave had moments.

01:54 Eric Armstead, even Chase Young, he had that high quality sack on

01:58 Donovan Smith where he hit him with the swipe and beat him clean.

02:03 He also had another couple of good rushes.

02:05 So I mean, I feel like 49ers front definitely did their part in that game.

02:09 And that was one of the bigger mismatches of the game going in,

02:14 especially with Joe Tooney out of the game.

02:17 And the Chiefs tackles not necessarily being much more than average-ish.

02:22 So that was to be expected, but they definitely lived up to what people

02:27 thought that they could do.

02:29 That was as good as they've played in weeks.

02:33 So that stood out for sure.

02:35 And then of course, Chris Jones was Chris Jones, just more of the same there.

02:42 He had a mismatch against everybody not named Trent Williams.

02:45 So he definitely took advantage in some key moments.

02:50 I think Mike Pennell, just what he did against the run.

02:52 There's that clip on Twitter of him stuffing Trent Williams on that block,

02:58 which is impressive.

02:58 But he's always just been kind of a stout, big, strong run defender.

03:02 Kind of like an assassin for hire kind of guy,

03:08 like a two down guy that teams just bring in to stop the run.

03:12 And like Jonathan Hankins or somebody like that, he's just one of those kind of guys.

03:18 So he definitely, I thought, had a really strong game as well.

03:21 So yeah, I mean, aside from that, I thought Trent Williams was awesome as well.

03:27 Just overall, he was just really good, impactful blocks in the run game.

03:31 Yeah, I mean, other than that, Creed Humphrey would probably be the last guy

03:36 that really stood out to me.

03:38 I thought he had a great game as well, so.

03:40 >> Yeah, it was the guys with the big names are making some big plays in this

03:43 game pretty much.

03:44 And especially, you mentioned Mike Pennell.

03:46 He had a cup of tea with the Patriots.

03:47 I remember I was really disappointed when they separated with him.

03:50 I was like, I don't know.

03:51 I know nose tackle isn't in vogue exactly, but this dude, he has a job and

03:56 he does it very consistently.

03:58 We've seen that, now he's got a couple rings to show for it.

04:00 So don't want the whole thing to happen with David Andrews when he was off

04:04 the Patriots, but overall, good for him.

04:06 That was a long time ago.

04:07 I think it's about time we all move on emotionally.

04:09 All right, now, moving on in the show.

04:12 So for the Patriots, new offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt comes from that

04:16 Kevin Stefanski offense where they ask a lot of their offensive linemen when it

04:20 comes to pulling and really being athletic.

04:22 And this is a Patriots offensive line where Trent Brown and

04:25 Michael Wendler are gonna be free agents.

04:27 And you're kind of assuming that you got David Andrews, Sidney So, and

04:30 then Cole Strange inside, but even they've got some question marks.

04:33 So before we kind of get into the more position specifics,

04:36 what do you think about this Alex Van Pelt scheme,

04:38 kind of from a Kevin Stefanski perspective?

04:41 And what they might be asking of the Patriots in the trenches this season?

04:45 >> Yeah, I mean, I think it's gonna be multiple more than anything,

04:48 just that's kind of Kevin Stefanski's background.

04:51 He's been on different coaching staffs over the course of his career and

04:54 has kind of adopted a lot of different schemes over that period of time.

05:00 And when you watch the Browns over the last few years,

05:04 I know Callahan kind of directs that run game.

05:07 So it's kind of hard to distinguish that sometimes when the offensive line coach

05:12 is designing the run game compared to the head coach.

05:14 Of course, it's all collaborative, but as with most schemes in the NFL,

05:18 I think it's gonna have a lot of different elements of zone and gap.

05:23 If I had to pick one, it'd probably be a little bit more zone based,

05:27 more than anything, inside, outside zone, pin pole,

05:30 probably be in there, things like that.

05:32 And then every team is gonna have some power counter,

05:37 maybe throw in some traps, just some off ball kind of stuff.

05:43 Just to throw curveballs out there for defenses to have to prepare for.

05:48 But yeah, I would say zone based and

05:50 then multiple is kind of the overarching theme in the run game.

05:54 That's probably what I would expect to see.

05:57 >> Yeah, I know their scheme is a lot of wide zone.

06:00 I know I heard Alex Van Pelt say that was kind of the backbone of what they like to

06:03 do, but we're surprised to see that only the Ravens run more gap schemes with

06:06 pullers.

06:07 So again, as a lot of their guys in that perspective.

06:10 I also saw that you tweeted about Scott Peters,

06:12 their new offensive line coach, obviously learned under Callahan.

06:15 I was wondering if you could get some insight on him,

06:17 because he's a guy that not a lot of people know about, but

06:19 has a very interesting background.

06:21 >> Yeah, so MMA background, I think he won a world championship or

06:25 something in Jiu Jitsu.

06:27 And he also was a part of an organization called Tip of the Spear, I believe.

06:33 When I was writing for USA Football years ago, they had an affiliation with that.

06:37 And I got to get access to a lot of those coaching clinics that

06:42 Coach Peters put together at the time.

06:45 And his emphasis was keeping your head out of the block and

06:50 utilizing your length, playing long.

06:53 A lot of these kind of coaching cues that a lot of people have adopted over the years.

06:59 And it's kind of permeated its way throughout the NFL.

07:03 I know one of his pupils back in the day was Brandon Scherf,

07:08 the commander's Redskins now, Jaguars offensive lineman.

07:12 He would probably speak very highly of Coach Peters,

07:15 because he adopted a lot of those principles into his game.

07:19 There's a couple other guys, but he was the biggest name guy I remember that

07:22 Coach Peters had an impact on with that approach.

07:26 But yeah, he really understands angles, leverage really well.

07:31 And he knows how to convey that to people at a high level.

07:36 So it's cool that he can merge MMA and

07:39 that into the offensive line world in the way that he does.

07:44 I spoke with him for a story years ago on Wyatt Teller,

07:48 who he had a big impact on developing with the Browns.

07:51 So I mean, he's been a part of obviously a coaching staff with maybe

07:57 the greatest offensive line coach of all time outside of Skarniecki.

08:03 Those two are probably two of the best ever, and Peters has come up under him.

08:08 And he's had his fingerprints on a lot of really good players and

08:13 their developments.

08:14 So I mean, I'd be excited if I was a Patriots fan, honestly, to get him.

08:19 And I know it's his first time having a room, but being the head guy.

08:22 But I mean, I think if you're gonna hire an assistant and

08:26 it'd be the first time guy, he's as excited as I'd be about anybody, probably.

08:31 >> Yeah, watching videos of him, I'm like,

08:33 this seems like a guy who can command a room.

08:36 I don't think there's gonna be any question about that.

08:37 But obviously, we'll see once he actually gets going.

08:40 >> Yeah. >> Exactly,

08:41 that's the actual hands on experience.

08:43 Also, kind of putting you on the spot here, I wonder if you know much about

08:46 Robert Kugler, who's now their assistant offensive line coach.

08:49 I know he spent time with the Panthers, was briefly on the Bills,

08:52 was more had success in college.

08:54 I saw some reports that were saying that he's someone who people could see as

08:57 a potential head coach down the line.

08:59 Just someone I feel like publicly, not a lot is known about.

09:02 So if there's anything you could add maybe on him, I'd love it.

09:05 But if not, again, I'm putting you on the spot, so no worries.

09:07 >> I honestly don't know a lot about him.

09:09 So I can't really give you a whole lot there, man, honestly.

09:14 >> All good, all good, I'm putting you on the spot.

09:15 All right, before we move on though, all good, all good.

09:18 Before we move on and get to, like I said, the position specifics,

09:22 where we get into tackle and tier offensive line, all that good stuff.

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10:04 >> All right, so with these positions,

10:06 the first thing I wanna talk about is tackle.

10:09 Cuz the Patriots, both their bookends from last season,

10:11 are about to hit the market, at least as far as we know now.

10:14 So Trent Brown, obviously started off really well as a PFF darling last season.

10:19 Then he got rolled up on against Buffalo and

10:20 just had to deal with a bunch of injuries for the rest of the season.

10:23 Mike and Wendy switched over, I think it was around week seven.

10:25 It was in that same Bills game.

10:27 Had a lot of success at right tackle as he's had throughout his career.

10:30 Although I think he's more of a guard.

10:32 Kind of interesting how it's gonna fit in this scheme.

10:34 But how do you think the Patriots should address the offensive tackle position?

10:37 Do you think they'd be better off resigning both guys and

10:40 maintaining some continuity there?

10:42 Or do you think maybe they should move on when you do a different position,

10:45 move on from Trent Brown?

10:46 What are kind of your thoughts?

10:49 >> Yeah, I mean, this one's tough.

10:52 I kind of lean towards at least keeping one of them just because it's so

10:56 hard to find tackle.

10:57 Almost every team in the league is always kind of looking,

11:02 surveying the tackle market, whether free agency or the draft.

11:06 Typically, you're not gonna find a really good tackle in free agency.

11:09 And if you're gonna find one in the draft, it's gonna be in the first round.

11:14 Of course, there's exceptions and there's ways to kind of patch it together,

11:19 especially if you have a really good offensive line coach.

11:21 And if your scheme is offensive line friendly, a lot of RPOs play action,

11:26 kind of a run first approach, that kind of thing that can help mitigate and

11:30 hide your lack of talent at the position.

11:34 So all that being said, I mean, I would just say go with the younger guy and

11:40 Mike and Juanu and give you some flexibility as well to play inside and

11:45 out, which Trent Brown doesn't really bring there.

11:49 Although he does bring flexibility on the side, but

11:51 in terms of what side he can play.

11:53 But yeah, I mean, I would probably just lean on Juanu.

11:55 It's gonna be more expensive probably as well.

11:57 So that's double edged sword almost every angle you take here.

12:02 But yeah, that's probably where I would go and

12:04 then just try to address the opposite tackle position in the draft,

12:09 which I think that they're well positioned to do.

12:12 Whether, I don't know if they would take one where they are now in the draft or

12:17 if they trade down or trade back up or anything like that.

12:20 But this class has a lot of tackle options that will probably trickle into

12:25 round two as well.

12:26 So yeah, I mean, I definitely think this is a good class to need a tackle.

12:32 >> But we're gonna get into more of their kind of offseason options and

12:35 things like that.

12:35 Before we do, I wanna touch on the interior as well.

12:38 Because it's a spot where on paper, they've got bodies.

12:41 They've got City, so who I thought looked really good,

12:44 especially considering they tried to start him out at tackle before they were like,

12:47 all right, no, he's really a guard.

12:48 Cole Strange really started to look better before he had a second knee injury,

12:52 which is the big thing here,

12:53 where you really don't even know what his availability is gonna be like.

12:57 You've got Antonio Maffi behind them.

12:59 You've got Jake Andrews who showed that he could play a little bit of guard later

13:02 in the season.

13:03 But do you think the Patriots should still address the spot?

13:05 I would love to know what you thought about City's first season.

13:08 And also if Cole Strange maybe has some significant time,

13:11 if that's somewhere you think they should either go outside and

13:15 bring someone in, considering this new scheme.

13:17 Or if you think Jake Andrews and Antonio Maffi, with the help of someone like

13:21 a Scott Peters could maybe be able to fill that void.

13:24 >> Yeah, I mean, this is another, if we're looking at it collectively as a trio,

13:29 I mean, I definitely think that you would wanna bring at least one guy in here,

13:35 specifically a guard.

13:36 Assuming the Andrews, David and Jake could kinda handle that and

13:42 maybe offer some guard there with Jake, potentially, I don't know.

13:47 But yeah, I mean, just because throwing the injury in there with Cole Strange,

13:52 that definitely throws a wrench into things.

13:54 And I don't know, I have no insight on that.

13:57 But if he is gonna miss time, you definitely wanna have another option

14:02 outside of Maffi to play guard, especially in this system.

14:05 If you are gonna be running a lot of wide zone and asking your guys to move laterally

14:11 and get on the move quite a bit, I just think you would want another guy in there.

14:18 So yeah, I mean, I would be shocked if they don't address

14:22 the offensive line multiple times this offseason.

14:25 Assuming say they just re-sign one of those tackles, like we said,

14:31 I would expect a tackle and a guard to be added in the first couple rounds and

14:37 or via free agency.

14:40 So yeah, I would assume that that would be the case,

14:43 especially having a new offensive line coach.

14:45 I'm sure, I don't know how he feels about any of these guys, but

14:49 I'm sure he would want to kinda select or have a say in getting somebody.

14:55 Even if it is a depth piece that maybe he can get his hands on and develop,

15:00 something like that.

15:01 So I would assume they're gonna give him some say there.

15:06 And if he isn't totally sold on all these guys,

15:10 then giving him somebody to kinda work with on his own.

15:14 So yeah, I mean, I would expect definitely a guard and

15:19 a tackle to be added with a fairly high compensation and

15:24 or draft pick to this team.

15:27 >> Absolutely agree.

15:28 And kinda bringing Mike and Winu back into the conversation,

15:31 just from watching the Browns,

15:32 it seems like their tackles don't really pull that much.

15:34 It's really more the center and the guard who are asked to get out there.

15:37 So with that in mind, I kinda came into it before Van Pelt was hired really and

15:42 thought, all right, and Winu, you wanna bring him back,

15:43 he's probably best as a guard.

15:45 Do you think in this kind of scheme though, he might be better suited at tackle,

15:48 where he might not be asked to move in space and pull as often?

15:51 >> I think he could stay a tackle and play sort of a similar role as like

15:57 a Jack Conklin did, who stronger run blocker than pass blocker,

16:03 bigger guy, stronger, powerful.

16:05 As you get more nuanced, they're definitely different players, but

16:10 just kinda generally speaking, they can fill, I guess, kind of a similar role.

16:16 So yeah, I think he could definitely stay a tackle in this scheme and

16:22 be a good player like he has been.

16:25 >> Just needed some Brandon Thorne validation, that's all.

16:27 Thank you very much for that.

16:29 All right, now moving on to free agency before we get to the draft.

16:32 Who in this class do you think would be somebody that could potentially fit in

16:36 this new Patriots system?

16:37 Some guys I was thinking of that are more on the reasonable side were like

16:40 Jonah Williams or James Luminor maybe.

16:43 And guards, I'm still kinda looking into, I'm not sure who would fit cuz,

16:47 with Cole Strange, it's like, all right, you want somebody who could probably step

16:50 in and play for you, but maybe not somebody who's coming in and saying,

16:53 I am the starter.

16:53 So the guys I mentioned, if there's anybody else who comes to mind,

16:57 who do you think could potentially be a good fit for you?

16:59 >> Yeah, I think Jonah Williams would make sense if you don't bring back on Wano.

17:03 Assuming he's gonna be cheaper, which I think he probably will be.

17:08 That would be the only reason I would think that you would really wanna swap

17:12 them out, is just cost.

17:15 But yeah, I mean, Jonah Williams definitely would make sense as

17:20 a solid option to tackle.

17:24 >> I'm sorry, would you say right exclusively or

17:27 do you think he can still go back to the left?

17:29 Cuz I'm not sure to go back for sure now, but.

17:32 >> Yeah, I mean, I guess he could go back to the left.

17:34 I don't know, I kinda liked his tape last year, right tackle.

17:38 And especially as he settled in, I thought he settled in pretty nicely.

17:42 And that seems like, I would assume teams would probably feel similarly to that in

17:47 terms of like comparing, at least last year left tackle wasn't very good.

17:53 The year before that was pretty good at left tackle, so

17:55 it's a little bit up and down.

17:56 Yeah, but I mean, I guess that one, he could play left.

18:00 So yeah, maybe on Wano and Jonah Williams at left,

18:03 that wouldn't be too much of a surprise there.

18:06 So that's in terms of tackle free agents though, every year it's bare.

18:11 I mean, there's really not like just looking at the list right now.

18:16 I mean, there's guys that flashed and whatnot like George Fant,

18:21 from the Texans last year filled in admirably there.

18:26 Had a pretty good year, he's a kind of a stopgap option, that would be one.

18:32 I mean, I'm going down the list here.

18:36 It's you mentioned the rumor from the Raiders.

18:39 I mean, I think he's okay, as a starter, I mean, definitely stop cap at best.

18:46 Yeah, it's tough to find the tackles.

18:50 I think, I mean, ideally you would go tackle in the draft,

18:54 especially if you're drafting a guy that you need to be a starter right away.

18:57 And then you can find the interior guys later in the draft or in free agency.

19:02 And it's just a little bit easier to find those guys just because

19:06 the supply is higher.

19:07 >> Definitely, definitely.

19:09 All right, so let's move on to the draft then,

19:11 because it seems like this is one that's, honestly,

19:13 it feels like you could find someone to fit right and left throughout the draft.

19:17 But it feels like this is more right tackle heavy.

19:19 So maybe we'll go on both sides of the line.

19:22 We'll start off with which left tackle options do you think would be good fits?

19:25 Whether it is like a Joe Alter and Olu early on, or if they decide to wait till

19:29 the second or maybe even later in the draft for like a Javon Foster,

19:33 someone maybe want to develop behind if they do sign like a Jonah Williams.

19:36 >> Yeah, I mean, I think any of these tackles would make sense.

19:43 Honestly, I don't see any of these guys that would not be fits in this game for

19:49 any reason.

19:50 So I think the obvious one is Joe Walters because even though Belichick

19:56 isn't there anymore, but like Joe all just, when you watch him,

20:02 the initial person that you think of is Nate soldier,

20:05 just because of his height, his weight, his length, the way he moves.

20:09 I think he is better than Nate soldier coming out of Colorado, but

20:13 very similar body type.

20:15 So I could see kind of some appeal there, some connection there, and

20:20 I think he would make a ton of sense in a lot of ways, but

20:24 you're gonna have to pay a premium to get him.

20:26 Same with for Sean, it was same kind of deal.

20:29 I mean, you're gonna have to draft both those guys in the top ten.

20:32 So, but yeah, both those guys make a lot of sense, left.

20:36 So, and then you mentioned like right tackles,

20:39 there's a lot of right tackles in this draft.

20:41 JC Latham, Amaris Mims, Tyler Guyton, Kingsley Suamitia from BYU played left and

20:46 right, so he's one of the few guys that's played both.

20:49 And I mean, really any of those guys,

20:53 I don't know if there's a specific guy you wanna talk about, but I don't see why

20:57 any of those guys wouldn't make sense in New England or really anywhere.

21:01 I mean, this like the scheme thing, I think can get a little overrated.

21:07 I mean, just because so many teams are running multiple schemes right now,

21:13 in terms of the run game, there's very few like zone heavy schemes that

21:19 don't do any gap concepts or vice versa.

21:23 So, these guys pretty much have to be able to do a little bit of everything.

21:27 And I think all these guys kind of fit that.

21:29 I think the real distinction is pass protection and even that,

21:33 a lot of teams are running at least some RPOs or play actions.

21:37 So, there's not a ton of true drop back passes,

21:40 that's also gonna depend on your quarterback.

21:43 You guys with Mac Jones, he has a lot of experience running RPOs,

21:48 going back to Alabama.

21:49 So, assuming that they're gonna fold those in somehow, you don't necessarily

21:55 need to rely on your tackles heavily in the true drop back pass game.

21:59 And that is helpful for all these rookies.

22:03 And there's not a lot of rookies that are gonna come in and

22:06 be able to really execute a true drop back pass game at a high level.

22:10 I would say in this class, the only two I'd feel really comfortable doing that,

22:14 that would be Joe Wall and Ola Foshanna.

22:16 But of course, those guys are gonna be top ten picks.

22:18 So, yeah, as far as later round guys go though, you mentioned one,

22:25 I like Javon Foster as well.

22:27 I kind of have like a fifth, fourth, fifth round grade on him.

22:31 He might go higher because he had a pretty good senior bowl.

22:33 I think he's probably gonna test pretty well as well.

22:36 Long arms, he fits the bill in terms of physical traits.

22:40 Definitely a good developmental guy.

22:43 Another guy, I mean, Roger Rosengarten is kind of interesting.

22:48 >> Yeah.

22:49 >> From Washington.

22:50 I thought he should have stayed, honestly, but he's big, he's athletic.

22:55 Not super long, kind of like Jonah Williams body type in some ways.

23:02 But definitely like twitchy, explosive, does a lot of fun things and

23:06 pass protection.

23:07 He's a guy I would love to develop.

23:09 Definitely not start anytime soon, but definitely a developmental piece.

23:14 So those two guys, Blake Fisher would be another one from Notre Dame,

23:18 opposite Joe Wall, their right tackle.

23:21 He's another guy who would make a lot of sense somewhere late day two,

23:25 early day three, that you could develop as well.

23:29 >> Good year to have major holes on the offensive line,

23:32 especially on the edges.

23:33 I wanna get your thoughts on two more guys though.

23:35 Now one is Patrick Paul, who I know had a lot of hype coming into the senior bowl.

23:38 I thought did some good things, but I know he uses that hug technique a lot,

23:42 where you kind of just invite the bull rush.

23:44 And it felt like he was still getting pushed back,

23:46 but obviously the technique gets expected.

23:48 But I felt like it happened more than you might like.

23:51 So I was curious what your thoughts were on him.

23:53 And also I believe it was Travis Glover from Georgia State who came in because of

23:56 an injury, and I thought had one of the more impressive performances,

24:00 especially for somebody who came in late.

24:01 And I know you were actually boots on the ground.

24:03 So what were your thoughts on those two guys, Patrick Paul and

24:06 then Travis Glover?

24:07 >> Yeah, I mean, Paul looked pretty much just like how he does on tape.

24:12 It's a little up and down.

24:13 He has crazy long arms, crazy wingspan,

24:17 which is kind of a double edged sword in and of itself.

24:20 And in terms of, if you're not a little early with your hands,

24:25 it's real easy to be late when you're that long.

24:28 And guys are able to kind of get past that initial strike and

24:33 he winds up wide or high on a lot of guys with his hand placement.

24:37 And that just happens on tape, it happened in the senior bowl.

24:41 And then that results in guys getting into his frame, into his chest,

24:44 pressing him open, walking him back, things like that.

24:48 But you do see when he lands his hands on guys, he is very strong.

24:53 He's a strong player, reminds me a lot of Braxton Jones,

24:57 the Bears left tackle right now.

24:59 At a Southern Utah a couple years ago, very similar body type,

25:03 very similar player.

25:04 They're both strong, big guys with long arms that need technique work.

25:11 I do like Paul more than Jones though, I think he's more athletic.

25:14 But yeah, that's gonna need to get cleaned up to become a consistent starter in

25:20 the NFL, I think.

25:21 But I think he's, what is he, my seventh tackle right now?

25:28 Yeah, seventh overall tackle.

25:29 And I think ideally you get him round two somewhere, maybe round three.

25:37 That would be great, I think that'd be great value for him.

25:40 We'll see where he goes, how he tests, all that.

25:42 But yeah, I mean, I think the senior bowl kind of just kind of confirmed what you

25:48 saw on tape with him more than anything.

25:50 Glover is a guy I did not watch coming into the week.

25:53 But yeah, anytime a guy comes in midweek,

25:56 kind of against the eight ball a little bit there.

26:00 Just having to learn things on the fly and everything.

26:03 And I thought he did pretty well.

26:05 I mean, one on ones were up and down.

26:09 I mean, I thought the thing that stood out to me was some of the patience

26:13 that he was using.

26:14 He didn't look like he was scrambling out there.

26:17 He looked confident.

26:19 He looked like the moment wasn't too big for him or anything like that.

26:23 And you could see that in some of his pass sets,

26:25 in terms of how he was being patient, getting to a spot,

26:28 not trying to chase guys and get manipulated out of position.

26:31 So some of that was nice.

26:32 But he did miss sometimes and get beat clean a few times.

26:39 It wasn't-- I mean, for the circumstances, I think it was pretty good.

26:44 And it definitely is going to drive a lot of people

26:46 to go watch his tape, me included.

26:48 So I'll make sure I'll get a scouting report on him at some point.

26:52 But yeah, all things considered, pretty impressive performance from him.

26:58 Well, this was amazing and informative, as always, Brandon.

27:01 Thank you so much for joining us.

27:02 Before I get you out of here, please let the people

27:04 know where they can find you and what work we should be looking out for.

27:08 Yeah, so trenchwarfare.substack.com.

27:12 People can go there.

27:13 I just did a film with Joe Walt that came out yesterday.

27:17 I think I posted that.

27:18 So yeah, I sat down with an hour for an hour with Joe Walt

27:22 and just broke down his film.

27:23 And then have another one coming out shortly with Jackson Powers Johnson.

27:28 I'm going to be sitting down for about an hour with him.

27:30 And I got a lot of guys coming out.

27:32 So if people are interested in these guys

27:35 and want to get a peek inside their mindset or whatnot,

27:38 I have those film rooms coming out.

27:40 And then all my scouting reports will be on Bleacher Report.

27:44 They're up now.

27:44 And I'm going to be writing more as we go along.

27:48 So those are probably the two best spots.

27:51 Awesome.

27:51 And I'm literally going to check out that Joe Walt video

27:53 as soon as we're done with this.

27:54 So thank you for letting me know.

27:56 All right.

27:56 Thank you again, brother.

27:57 Appreciate you so much.

27:58 Appreciate you all for watching.

28:00 As always, take care of yourselves.

28:02 Take care of each other.

28:03 We will see you next time.

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