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The Garden Report goes live following the Celtics game vs the Sixers. Catch the Celtics Postgame Show featuring Bobby Manning, Josue Pavon, Jimmy Toscano, A. Sherrod Blakely and John Zannis as they offer insights and analysis from Boston's game vs Philly.

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00:00:00 [MUSIC PLAYING]
00:00:03 Can you say hard hats, folks?
00:00:07 Hard hats, lunch pail, steel tool, boots.
00:00:09 Anything short of a championship this year is a fail.
00:00:12 It's not even--
00:00:12 Look at this boomer right here.
00:00:13 You've just got so much talent here.
00:00:16 Somebody said we need to apologize for Jalen.
00:00:18 Can I pull the John?
00:00:19 What are we apologizing for?
00:00:21 What did we say?
00:00:21 What did we do?
00:00:22 [MUSIC PLAYING]
00:00:29 What's going on here?
00:00:32 What's up?
00:00:33 What?
00:00:36 It's getting all weird.
00:00:37 We didn't get the roll in, though.
00:00:40 It's busy.
00:00:41 The fade was weird.
00:00:43 It must be busy.
00:00:44 You didn't let us ride into the show with the--
00:00:46 [HUMMING]
00:00:49 What's up, John?
00:00:50 Am I lagging?
00:00:51 Are you lagging?
00:00:54 Am I lagging?
00:00:55 No, we're good.
00:00:57 We're good.
00:00:58 I'll look at the chat.
00:00:59 We're good.
00:01:00 Start over.
00:01:01 We'll do it live.
00:01:02 We'll do it live.
00:01:03 No, we're good.
00:01:04 We're here.
00:01:04 Jimmy Toscano is back, freshly shorn.
00:01:08 Yeah, I got a haircut.
00:01:09 I need one.
00:01:10 He's going to put his neutral fold to the test
00:01:13 and see how it goes.
00:01:15 Yeah.
00:01:16 He's going to try.
00:01:17 He's going to see what happens, see how--
00:01:21 I'm very confident that it's going to work.
00:01:23 Let's put it that way.
00:01:24 Very confident.
00:01:24 Yes.
00:01:25 Someone said the stream crashed for them.
00:01:27 I don't believe you.
00:01:29 I don't believe you.
00:01:30 Sorry.
00:01:32 Yes, I'm back.
00:01:33 But I am going away this weekend, so this is just a tease.
00:01:35 But then I will be back after that.
00:01:37 And I don't have anything too crazy planned, I don't think.
00:01:39 So I should be back.
00:01:40 And then I'm going away.
00:01:42 Then you're going away.
00:01:43 I need a break, Jimmy.
00:01:46 I need a break.
00:01:46 You could-- yeah, you deserve it.
00:01:48 You deserve it.
00:01:49 Where are you going?
00:01:51 Different places.
00:01:51 I got a conference, Jimmy.
00:01:53 I got work stuff.
00:01:54 Conference?
00:01:55 Is Chelsea going with you?
00:01:57 Yeah.
00:01:57 Oh, that's not a break.
00:02:00 That's not a break.
00:02:02 That doesn't count.
00:02:04 Yeah.
00:02:05 Yeah.
00:02:05 Anyway, so same pattern for these three games.
00:02:12 Sports.
00:02:13 Same pattern for these three games.
00:02:16 Kind of mixed baggy first half, letting them hang around,
00:02:22 not putting them away.
00:02:24 Tonight it was--
00:02:25 Turnovers.
00:02:26 Tonight it was turnovers, a little bit
00:02:28 of offensive rebounding, atrocious, atrocious three
00:02:33 point shooting.
00:02:35 Borderline non-existent.
00:02:36 We'll get into that.
00:02:38 Borderline.
00:02:38 And again, we're looking for the number, but five threes?
00:02:42 What?
00:02:43 Joe is going to absolutely--
00:02:45 don't be surprised when Joe Swaye and Bobby
00:02:51 finally take the court, if you don't have a Herb Brooks
00:02:54 sort of moment with him out there,
00:02:56 just having him just shoot threes.
00:02:59 Again.
00:03:00 Again.
00:03:01 You think--
00:03:01 Again.
00:03:02 You think Gary Washburn's walking around
00:03:04 with a little pep in his step today?
00:03:05 Yeah.
00:03:06 Hey, Joe, what's up?
00:03:08 No threes.
00:03:09 Hey, you guys won by 20 without taking 43s tonight.
00:03:12 What's up with that?
00:03:12 I was told it couldn't be done.
00:03:14 No, Washburn's not in shambles.
00:03:15 Washburn's taking a victory lap right now.
00:03:18 That's what I said.
00:03:18 He's walking around with a little pep in his step.
00:03:20 Exactly.
00:03:22 Absolutely.
00:03:23 How you like me now, Joe?
00:03:25 Yeah.
00:03:26 I don't have a kid, and I'm married.
00:03:28 What?
00:03:29 Living the dream.
00:03:30 What?
00:03:31 What else you want to know?
00:03:33 Shoot less threes, dude.
00:03:36 The blueprint is now out.
00:03:38 Yeah, exactly.
00:03:39 Gary's taking nonstop victory laps.
00:03:42 He's on his third one.
00:03:43 We love Gary.
00:03:48 It'll be great.
00:03:49 Gary-- yeah, this would be the ultimate troll.
00:03:51 Gary sits in the press conference
00:03:52 and just stares at Joe and just goes--
00:03:56 but never asks the question.
00:03:57 Forgot what I was going to say.
00:03:58 No, I'm good.
00:03:59 I'm good.
00:03:59 I forgot.
00:03:59 I forgot.
00:04:00 Wasn't important.
00:04:01 I don't remember.
00:04:02 But--
00:04:07 Here it is, Gary.
00:04:07 Yeah, I mean, really good third quarter.
00:04:11 Really, the tatum and the bench-- bench was brutal tonight.
00:04:14 And this is good.
00:04:15 This is-- OK, here we go.
00:04:16 Ready?
00:04:17 Our overreaction of the night?
00:04:21 Bench worries us.
00:04:23 Get Tillman some action.
00:04:25 Chat-- I was in the chat while you were primping,
00:04:28 whatever it is you do before you come on.
00:04:30 Lot of-- what are we doing, man?
00:04:33 We're getting an X-ray here?
00:04:34 Springer got some burn.
00:04:36 Yeah.
00:04:37 Springer over Tillman.
00:04:38 Who saw that one coming?
00:04:40 So we'll talk about that, because I know
00:04:42 people are interested in it.
00:04:44 And I do find it interesting, because it's
00:04:46 a little bit of a contradiction for some of the other things
00:04:48 that Joe says in terms of being uncomfortable.
00:04:52 But yeah, you know, and it's another, like, Brown--
00:05:01 three straight great Jalen games post dunk contest embarrassment.
00:05:07 He's been great.
00:05:09 Great?
00:05:10 Yeah.
00:05:10 Great.
00:05:10 Best player out there.
00:05:11 Best player out there.
00:05:13 He's been playing smart basketball overall.
00:05:16 Not trying to do too much.
00:05:18 But again, scoring in bursts, taking control of the game,
00:05:22 looking like he is the 1A to this team
00:05:26 more often than he had been.
00:05:27 And when-- you know, Tatum had a funky game,
00:05:30 because he really turned it on in the fourth quarter
00:05:33 when they needed him.
00:05:34 But prior to that, I think it was 14 points
00:05:35 going into that quarter.
00:05:37 Brown was really the guy that they were going to more,
00:05:40 and the guy that really kind of stepped up there,
00:05:41 and Puzingas stepped in, and they all
00:05:43 went to the line tonight.
00:05:44 It was just such a different game.
00:05:45 What I like about this game is that they
00:05:47 won in a different way, John.
00:05:49 They didn't win by scoring 25 three-pointers tonight
00:05:54 and taking 60.
00:05:55 They won by pounding the paint out.
00:05:57 Warford even got in on the action tonight down low.
00:06:00 So I don't know if this was something
00:06:02 that they pivoted to when the threes stopped--
00:06:04 when the threes weren't going down right away.
00:06:08 But it's something that they decided to ahead of time.
00:06:10 What is this?
00:06:11 This is a funny comment.
00:06:13 That is still true.
00:06:15 He went left several times, including a lefty dunk.
00:06:18 One was a foul, and another was a finish.
00:06:20 So he did go left and score left,
00:06:23 or it had it result in--
00:06:26 22 three-point attempts, lowest of the season for the Celtics.
00:06:29 Yeah.
00:06:31 So--
00:06:32 Yeah.
00:06:33 And the last time they took three-pointers in the 20s,
00:06:37 they lost to Orlando.
00:06:39 So again, this was a different type of a win tonight.
00:06:41 So you got to kind of like it.
00:06:43 Yeah, and again, Sixers without Embiid,
00:06:46 Sixers have been just handing out--
00:06:48 they've been taking Ls every which way they possibly can.
00:06:52 They're on the brink of not even making the playoffs at this
00:06:54 point.
00:06:55 But all that being said, I like that the Celtics played
00:06:59 aggressive, got to the line.
00:07:00 These are the things that we've been saying that we
00:07:02 want to see from them more--
00:07:03 being physical.
00:07:05 Tatum got teed up.
00:07:06 I'm not saying that was because he was physical,
00:07:08 but a little bit of attitude out there.
00:07:11 And just play bully ball.
00:07:13 Hated how the Sixers came back in that fourth quarter,
00:07:15 got to two.
00:07:15 But again, the Celtics didn't let
00:07:17 them complete that comeback.
00:07:19 And then that's when Tatum really took over.
00:07:20 Yeah.
00:07:21 That was nice.
00:07:22 So that bothered me.
00:07:23 Because the bench is going to catch all the strays there.
00:07:26 And I get it, because they haven't been great.
00:07:33 But when the shots aren't falling--
00:07:38 and so they weren't great tonight.
00:07:40 But I thought Tatum was dog shit early in that fourth quarter.
00:07:44 And generally, kind of like--
00:07:46 I mean, at the end, this is a classic.
00:07:48 You're going to look at the stat line and be like, oh, what?
00:07:52 Almost a triple-double MVP stuff.
00:07:54 What are you talking about?
00:07:55 It really wasn't a great Tatum game.
00:07:59 But you have to break it down.
00:08:01 He had a great fourth quarter.
00:08:02 He had a great fourth quarter.
00:08:03 He had a great fourth quarter after letting the Sixers back
00:08:08 into the game.
00:08:08 Because yeah, the bench wasn't out there.
00:08:10 You're supposed to trust Tatum with those--
00:08:13 it's Tatum, one starter, and three bench guys.
00:08:15 Granted, one of those guys was Al,
00:08:16 and he counts as one of your big six.
00:08:20 But they were bad.
00:08:21 And even that scramble play with the loose ball,
00:08:23 where everyone's diving around trying to make something
00:08:26 happen, Tatum's just watching it.
00:08:28 He had another play where he took a shot,
00:08:30 kind of followed it in there, was pissed it didn't go in,
00:08:34 bodied a defender with no chance of getting a steal,
00:08:37 and then just walked up the court, resulting in a three
00:08:39 and the timeout there.
00:08:40 And he didn't get back in a play.
00:08:42 I didn't like that at all.
00:08:43 And then what does Joe do coming out of the timeout?
00:08:46 He subs Luke Cornett in.
00:08:50 That's his move.
00:08:51 He brings in Luke.
00:08:52 And what do they do?
00:08:52 They go on a 16-0 run.
00:08:54 Granted, not all with Luke in there.
00:08:55 Eventually, White, Porzingis, Brown come back in.
00:08:58 But from that point on, Joe's big adjustment
00:09:00 was bring Luke in the game.
00:09:01 And it settled things a little.
00:09:04 And they got back onto it.
00:09:05 And then Tatum went into takeover mode.
00:09:07 Those couple of dunks were electric, plays of the night
00:09:10 sort of stuff.
00:09:11 And then all of a sudden--
00:09:12 That dunk, he really--
00:09:13 You look up, it's like a 19-point game.
00:09:15 You're like, how the hell did that happen?
00:09:17 Yeah, they clamped down on defense, too.
00:09:20 It was both sides of it.
00:09:21 They were able to get out in transition
00:09:23 and limited the turnovers, all the key stuff that goes
00:09:25 into going on a run like that.
00:09:27 And yeah, I think just have a Luke in the game, John.
00:09:29 I hate to say it.
00:09:30 I like to have a Luke in the game,
00:09:31 settled the boys down a bit.
00:09:33 He's that calming presence out there.
00:09:35 I'm sure Bobby will get into it when he gets on.
00:09:37 Bobby's there.
00:09:38 Joe's there tonight.
00:09:39 So it'd be good to get those guys' perspectives when they--
00:09:43 Yeah, and Hauser was getting cooked tonight.
00:09:45 Hauser got caught in a couple of switches with Maxie early.
00:09:48 And that didn't go well.
00:09:49 He's just too fast.
00:09:50 Maxie can't-- you can't do that.
00:09:53 I'm not putting it all on Tatum.
00:09:55 Tatum's got to be the everything in those units.
00:09:59 And when he's in his feelings and he's not--
00:10:03 this was one of those nights where he complained about call.
00:10:07 I know the whole Tatum universe.
00:10:11 He doesn't get the superstar calls like he should.
00:10:14 And yeah, sort of.
00:10:17 The refs are still--
00:10:18 He got to the line 11 times tonight.
00:10:20 But this was one of those nights where every single time
00:10:23 he missed a shot, he was looking for a call that absolutely
00:10:28 didn't exist.
00:10:29 I hate those ones.
00:10:31 It's like, you just came up short.
00:10:33 You missed it.
00:10:34 You missed it.
00:10:35 It happens.
00:10:37 It's not a big deal.
00:10:38 Just sit back.
00:10:40 Always going to be part of his game, I think, a little bit.
00:10:42 It's just something that he's tried to work on a little bit.
00:10:45 You do see less pouting as much as we used to.
00:10:49 But the emotions that he-- that's just his reaction
00:10:52 to things.
00:10:53 And I guess I wonder if there are other superstars who
00:10:59 do it just as much as he does.
00:11:00 And we just don't see it as much.
00:11:02 You can't tell me that Luka doesn't bitch and moan
00:11:04 up and down the court all game, every game.
00:11:07 I mean, it's--
00:11:07 I'm not-- yeah.
00:11:08 No question about it.
00:11:09 It's just part of the territory, I think,
00:11:11 when you get to that MVP-type discussion.
00:11:17 We got a couple of super chats here.
00:11:21 Yeah, I know.
00:11:22 The Tate universe taking some strays here.
00:11:24 Again, look, it wasn't-- like I said, it wasn't great.
00:11:28 But it was a takeover, sort of fourth quarter there.
00:11:30 20 from Vtonie Vicente.
00:11:35 All right, read it.
00:11:38 Number one.
00:11:39 I'll read it.
00:11:40 Why don't people talk about JB's atrocious free throw
00:11:42 shooting?
00:11:42 We do.
00:11:43 They do.
00:11:44 People do.
00:11:45 People definitely do.
00:11:46 It just wasn't-- it wasn't--
00:11:48 I mean, generally speaking--
00:11:50 He was 8 of 10 tonight.
00:11:52 I don't think that's the night where we talk about his
00:11:54 atrocious free throw shooting.
00:11:57 Number two, Drew seemed like he was in his own head
00:12:01 and would cause a moronic turnover,
00:12:03 then make up for it with a good play.
00:12:05 Thoughts on that?
00:12:09 I don't know.
00:12:10 I mean, yeah, there were a few silly turnovers tonight,
00:12:14 for sure.
00:12:15 What did Holiday end up with?
00:12:16 He had four turnovers tonight.
00:12:18 So when we're talking about the best performances of the night,
00:12:23 I don't think Drew Holiday would be on the first couple of guys
00:12:26 on that list.
00:12:27 I thought he was good early.
00:12:28 I thought they were all a little sloppy.
00:12:30 More often than not, he's pretty reliable with the ball.
00:12:33 And I think, again, he's a guy that if you're comparing him--
00:12:37 if I'm comparing him to Marcus Mart, which is that's just
00:12:39 the default comparison, I still trust him
00:12:42 with the ball in his hands pretty much every time.
00:12:46 So--
00:12:47 Yeah, I just-- I also--
00:12:48 I'm just-- I'm not going to complain about free throw
00:12:50 shooting on a night when they went 34 from 37.
00:12:52 They were--
00:12:54 Brown did miss two of those, but--
00:12:56 They were like six in the league or something coming in.
00:12:58 They got through the line so much tonight.
00:12:59 Coming into this one.
00:13:00 Free throw shooting, while it's frustrating watching it
00:13:03 when it's Tatum and Brown, because oftentimes they're
00:13:05 the ones with the ball in their hands late,
00:13:07 and you certainly don't want to miss free throws late
00:13:08 in close games, overall, they've been an outstanding free throw
00:13:12 shooting team this year.
00:13:14 So that's fine with their-- yeah, the turnovers were weird.
00:13:18 They looked oddly disconnected on some of them.
00:13:20 They were expecting people to be certain places
00:13:23 and that they weren't.
00:13:25 You know, some weird just kind of hot potato sort of stuff
00:13:29 there.
00:13:31 And that's fine.
00:13:31 And yeah, it's-- who is Drew?
00:13:33 It's Drew.
00:13:36 Don't get John going on the pronunciation again.
00:13:39 Drew.
00:13:40 Would you call him, start the year, J-Rew?
00:13:43 J-Rew.
00:13:44 What's up, J-Rew?
00:13:45 What's up, J-Rew?
00:13:46 He's like, OK.
00:13:47 But I thought Holiday played a good game tonight.
00:13:50 So I'm-- you know, like a really good game.
00:13:53 So I'm not going to--
00:13:54 I don't know what it was within his own head.
00:13:56 Something's wrong.
00:13:57 Tony's angry tonight.
00:13:58 I don't know why--
00:13:59 But he had a couple of turnovers and that wasn't great.
00:14:02 Somebody pissed in Tony's cereal.
00:14:04 He's talking about-- he's complaining about offensive
00:14:06 rebounds tonight, too.
00:14:07 See, you don't-- you know, Tony threw down 20 here, OK?
00:14:13 So the Tony slander--
00:14:15 I don't know what his offensive rebound--
00:14:17 The Tony slander ends now.
00:14:19 It's not slander.
00:14:20 It's just a couple--
00:14:23 It's healthy debate, John.
00:14:24 So I'll ask this question.
00:14:26 I don't know-- when we talk about this,
00:14:29 someone mentioned it last game.
00:14:31 Is there experimentation going on?
00:14:33 Certainly not with the bench rotation.
00:14:35 Not yet.
00:14:37 But one tweak tonight, Brown and Tatum's minutes flipped.
00:14:42 Brown played-- I mean, Tatum played the entire first quarter.
00:14:46 That's not something-- that looked like a thing
00:14:48 that they were doing different.
00:14:50 I don't know whether this was--
00:14:52 let's try to get it into the paint
00:14:53 just to see if we can do it all game long and not shoot threes.
00:14:56 I think it was that they just didn't think
00:14:59 there was an interior presence there
00:15:01 that they had to worry about.
00:15:02 So they just decided to do that.
00:15:03 And Philly played small.
00:15:06 Yeah, I mean, considered effort, sure.
00:15:07 I would imagine at some point in the game,
00:15:10 I would think, whether it was Joe or the assistant coaches,
00:15:13 said, guys, it's working.
00:15:15 Keep doing it.
00:15:16 Let's keep pounding it down low.
00:15:18 Let's drive.
00:15:18 Let's be aggressive.
00:15:20 They got Horford involved.
00:15:21 I mean, it was definitely a different attack style.
00:15:24 I mean, Brown only took two threes, I think, tonight.
00:15:27 Tatum was the only guy who was taking threes tonight.
00:15:30 And that is definitely unique.
00:15:31 So I would not be shocked if there was some sort of--
00:15:35 whether it was at halftime, whether it was in a timeout
00:15:37 in the beginning-- whenever it was,
00:15:40 there was something that was said
00:15:42 that they made an emphasis to pass up some of those threes,
00:15:45 whether they were forced or not.
00:15:48 And take it interior.
00:15:51 Take it interior.
00:15:53 That's it.
00:15:54 As the kids say.
00:15:55 Yeah, take it interior, Arnold.
00:15:57 Take it interior, right?
00:15:59 Just take it interior.
00:16:02 That's what happens.
00:16:03 And that's good.
00:16:04 We do have-- Joe Mizzoula calls it one of the best games
00:16:09 of the year for Boston.
00:16:12 OK.
00:16:14 Interesting.
00:16:16 And that was the game that they didn't shoot any threes.
00:16:18 What are you saying here, that they learned?
00:16:21 They got good information from the game.
00:16:22 This was an informational gathering experience.
00:16:26 Joe will elaborate for us.
00:16:28 We'll hear from Joe.
00:16:29 We'll hear from the rest of the players.
00:16:31 We will hear from Bobby Manning and Josue Pavon, presumably,
00:16:34 when they get it together down at the Garden.
00:16:38 And we'll kind of keep talking.
00:16:41 We'll talk a little about the Sixers, too, in general.
00:16:45 Are they toast?
00:16:46 Is the Embiid thing a pipe dream?
00:16:48 Is it really happening?
00:16:49 Is he coming back?
00:16:50 I will say, if he comes-- look, he
00:16:54 hurt himself before the playoffs last year.
00:16:56 He was supposed to miss time, or before that series.
00:17:00 And he only missed a game.
00:17:03 I don't put it past this guy to come back on 10 seconds
00:17:08 worth of rehab off of that knee and be close,
00:17:11 conditioning-wise, going to be a problem, but still be a force.
00:17:16 I'd rather not them be the eight seed.
00:17:19 If Embiid returns, that's just my opinion.
00:17:22 No, I mean, if Embiid comes back,
00:17:25 they're obviously a team that you
00:17:27 need to be on the lookout for.
00:17:29 But as of right now, John, they are toast.
00:17:31 I don't know if the report that Embiid's a month away--
00:17:33 I don't know if that's just coming from the Embiid camp,
00:17:36 or that's just to keep the Sixers spirits high.
00:17:40 But they're losing every which way right now.
00:17:42 They don't have enough talent without Embiid.
00:17:44 And even when Embiid does come back, if he's at 75%,
00:17:48 that's not enough.
00:17:50 You need an Embiid to be close to MVP level
00:17:54 to get this Sixers team anywhere near the NBA finals.
00:17:58 Yeah, they can be an annoying first-round opponent
00:18:00 for somebody.
00:18:02 But I'm under the impression that Embiid's not
00:18:05 going to get back to 90% or more based on this injury,
00:18:11 especially if he rushes back a little bit.
00:18:13 So it would be foolish for the Sixers
00:18:18 to overdo it with him anyways, because he still hopefully
00:18:22 has some good years left.
00:18:23 And you really don't want to jeopardize that
00:18:25 by forcing him back to try to win a playoff series.
00:18:30 Get smoked by a one seed, right?
00:18:32 Yeah, exactly.
00:18:32 I mean, they're not good enough.
00:18:35 They're not good enough.
00:18:36 They're just not.
00:18:37 And so yeah, to answer your question, I think they're toast.
00:18:40 And I know Bobby's going to say that they're toast, too.
00:18:42 So nothing to see here doing the work for us.
00:18:46 Last time Celtics made five or fewer threes in a win
00:18:49 was six years ago, January 2018.
00:18:52 I believe it.
00:18:52 I'm willing to believe that.
00:18:54 I'll take it to the bank.
00:18:55 I'll believe that, too.
00:18:56 Good stat.
00:18:57 Because you would think that they're going to probably
00:18:59 lose those games, especially in today's NBA,
00:19:03 where it's so three-point heavy.
00:19:05 Yeah.
00:19:07 Gregory Leclerc, did I miss you guys crapping all over JB?
00:19:10 No.
00:19:11 Am I missing something?
00:19:12 Some people just come here spoiling for a fight, Jimmy.
00:19:15 I'll tell you that.
00:19:16 So he's being sarcastic.
00:19:21 Because why would we talk shit about JB?
00:19:24 Because you do all the time.
00:19:25 And I don't like it.
00:19:27 Oh.
00:19:29 Poor Greg.
00:19:30 I'm sorry, Greg.
00:19:31 Sad Greg.
00:19:32 Old Greg.
00:19:33 Greg Louise will tell you how nice
00:19:37 we've been to JB coming out of the break here.
00:19:40 Yeah.
00:19:40 OK?
00:19:41 How nice we've been.
00:19:43 This is-- you know what, though?
00:19:44 We're not going to talk bad about Jaylen Brown
00:19:46 tonight because there's no reason to.
00:19:48 And we usually just say it like it is.
00:19:50 And some people don't like to hear that.
00:19:52 But the truth is, if you want the facts,
00:19:55 you come to the Garden Report.
00:19:57 We don't sugarcoat things here, folks.
00:19:59 And more often than not, we're right.
00:20:01 Sometimes it takes people a little bit longer to get there.
00:20:04 But we're usually right.
00:20:05 It is funny in the sense that, like, it's all funny.
00:20:09 This is how fans are.
00:20:11 This is how fans go.
00:20:12 It's fine.
00:20:13 Like, when they play well, yes.
00:20:18 Talk about JB, you jerks.
00:20:20 When he doesn't play well, like--
00:20:23 Yeah.
00:20:24 Yeah, they don't show up to that one.
00:20:27 Are we doing the seven turnovers tonight or no?
00:20:31 So is John ever right?
00:20:34 Surprisingly, yeah.
00:20:36 I am.
00:20:37 Quite a bit.
00:20:38 Quite a bit.
00:20:40 Quite a bit.
00:20:41 But nobody wants to admit it.
00:20:42 And that's fine.
00:20:43 I'm hearing we did get a Gary question on 3Pointers tonight.
00:20:47 Shut up.
00:20:48 I'm hearing we did.
00:20:49 Oh, it's a funny exchange.
00:20:51 I can't wait to see Joe be funny.
00:20:55 I am curious.
00:20:56 I like that people were like, JoeBot got information
00:20:58 from game.
00:21:00 I learned.
00:21:02 Yeah, information gathering.
00:21:06 Must apply to Friday's match.
00:21:09 Must download in time for Friday.
00:21:12 Yeah, three days to implement new strategies.
00:21:21 Three is more than two.
00:21:24 But yeah, that's what we got going on.
00:21:28 Oh, do I have it?
00:21:29 Do I already have it?
00:21:31 I'll be quick.
00:21:32 Is this it?
00:21:32 Amit, is this it?
00:21:33 This could be-- no, this could be the-- no,
00:21:35 this is probably best game of the year clip, if I had to bet.
00:21:39 Play it.
00:21:40 Let's find out.
00:21:41 No.
00:21:41 Why not?
00:21:43 I'd like to know.
00:21:44 Is this going to be the one where he says
00:21:46 it's the best game of the year?
00:21:49 Which one is it?
00:21:52 What'd you just do?
00:21:52 Did you hit your microphone and miss the thing you were doing?
00:21:55 Yeah, no, I caught it.
00:21:56 It was a light bulb.
00:21:57 OK.
00:21:58 But I did hit the microphone.
00:22:01 Joe Mazzulla on something coming up right now.
00:22:03 Here we go.
00:22:04 You guys are 0 for 2 from 3 in the second quarter.
00:22:07 Wasn't this the opponent where you
00:22:09 asked me if we shot too many threes, like game four
00:22:11 of the year?
00:22:11 Yeah, Philadelphia.
00:22:12 Full circle, huh?
00:22:13 What a beautiful moment.
00:22:16 Next, I'm going to ask about Maxie's shooting.
00:22:20 When you go 0 for 2, do you come to a realization
00:22:24 that we're not going to win this game with threes?
00:22:27 Is that hard to accept?
00:22:28 Is that--
00:22:30 No, I think--
00:22:30 --win this game with threes?
00:22:31 That's a good question.
00:22:32 No, I just think every game is going
00:22:33 to present a different challenge.
00:22:34 And so when you're looking at that shot margin,
00:22:36 you have to ask yourself, OK, why?
00:22:38 And how are we going to attack and defend at that level?
00:22:40 And so I don't want to get into a box where--
00:22:43 and we've never said we have to win doing this.
00:22:45 That's never been stated.
00:22:46 We always take what the defense gives us.
00:22:47 We're one of the best teams at doing that.
00:22:49 And that's kind of our offensive philosophy,
00:22:51 is take the best shot and find the best shot.
00:22:55 I don't know.
00:22:55 Is that true?
00:22:56 I feel like they have said that this
00:22:58 is how we're going to win games, by taking 53s.
00:23:02 But maybe not in those exact words.
00:23:05 Yeah, we need to shoot a ton of threes.
00:23:08 Again, here's the thing.
00:23:09 We're wrong, they're right, in terms of if the media says,
00:23:18 hey, it looked bad tonight.
00:23:20 Actually, I thought it was great.
00:23:22 If it's too many threes, well, what about the layups?
00:23:25 If it's not enough threes, I loved our approach.
00:23:28 Best game of the season.
00:23:29 You're not going to win this one, guys.
00:23:31 You're not going to win.
00:23:32 Hang it up.
00:23:33 It's not Kotni Jo, it's Contrary Jo.
00:23:37 Nice.
00:23:38 Got him.
00:23:40 He's just going to be that guy.
00:23:41 And that's it.
00:23:42 You know why?
00:23:43 And I've said this a million times before.
00:23:45 They don't respect us because they shouldn't,
00:23:48 because the media knows.
00:23:50 Because we're dog shit.
00:23:51 Because we're dumb.
00:23:53 Because when it comes to basketball--
00:23:55 Damn it.
00:23:57 Goddamn.
00:23:59 I hate getting reminded of it.
00:24:01 Or am I in therapy again?
00:24:04 Just like that.
00:24:05 You're stupid and worthless.
00:24:07 No, I mean, look, it's probably the biggest disparity
00:24:14 in football.
00:24:16 Nobody knows anything about football
00:24:18 compared to what these guys do.
00:24:20 But I mean, like I said, these guys are PhDs
00:24:25 and everybody else here just made it into the first grade.
00:24:31 So they're not really respecting where
00:24:34 the questions are coming from.
00:24:36 And that's why the answers end up being the way that they are.
00:24:38 But he did say that was a good question tonight.
00:24:41 So he did respect the question.
00:24:43 He did.
00:24:44 But I get it, too.
00:24:46 I mean, I get it.
00:24:47 I get it.
00:24:48 I get it.
00:24:49 I get it.
00:24:50 That being said--
00:24:51 It's like your friend who doesn't really watch sports
00:24:53 watches a game with you one time, right?
00:24:55 And he's like, Mac Jones sucks.
00:24:57 And you're like--
00:24:58 Winning the match.
00:24:59 You're like, you're right, but you don't know why he sucks.
00:25:02 Because you don't watch enough to know.
00:25:05 Yeah, you're just saying that because you heard me say it.
00:25:08 Yeah, you might be right, but you don't understand why.
00:25:11 You don't know enough to know whether it's right or not.
00:25:15 You're just saying it.
00:25:16 So then you contradict them.
00:25:18 And you're like, actually-- and then it's like,
00:25:20 and there you go.
00:25:21 And you're like, why am I doing this?
00:25:22 Yeah.
00:25:23 You're the well-actually guy.
00:25:24 You don't want to be the well-actually guy.
00:25:26 You do not want to be the well-actually guy.
00:25:29 Well, actually--
00:25:30 Nobody likes that guy.
00:25:32 And if you don't know that guy, you might be that guy.
00:25:36 Everyone has that.
00:25:36 And so then you start to--
00:25:38 you're like, I'm just going to prove that I'm smarter than you,
00:25:40 even though I actually think what you said is right.
00:25:42 I just don't like how you arrived at that conclusion.
00:25:44 And that's why those answers come out that way.
00:25:46 Like I said, I speak Joe.
00:25:49 I speak coach.
00:25:51 You speak Joe.
00:25:52 Joe GBT.
00:25:53 Joe GBT.
00:25:54 I get where they're coming from.
00:25:55 Beep, boop, beep, boop.
00:25:56 Yeah.
00:25:57 He did.
00:25:58 That's right.
00:25:59 That's a good one, Luis.
00:26:00 He did not mention Gary's family, which is good.
00:26:03 Is Joe growing on you?
00:26:04 I'll ask you that.
00:26:05 Is he growing on you?
00:26:07 Yeah, like a fungus.
00:26:08 Yeah.
00:26:09 No.
00:26:10 I mean, sure.
00:26:11 No, no, no, no.
00:26:13 I don't really have a strong opinion on Joe either way,
00:26:17 because I don't cover the games like that.
00:26:19 I mean, I watch him, and I kind of laugh at some of the things.
00:26:24 I think this team is so good, John,
00:26:26 that I give Joe credit for keeping them together
00:26:29 and being a part of it.
00:26:31 But I think you'd have to be a really bad coach to not get
00:26:35 these--
00:26:36 the talent on this team, at least one through six,
00:26:39 is difficult to lose.
00:26:42 So I give Joe credit for being able to win with these guys.
00:26:45 But it kind of ends there.
00:26:48 I think people are turning on Joe,
00:26:51 turning in the right direction on Joe.
00:26:54 I don't want to say made fun of.
00:26:58 I think he's fine.
00:27:00 I don't have a problem with him.
00:27:02 There's a lot of--
00:27:04 there were a couple of method to his madness sort of pieces,
00:27:08 where I think people--
00:27:09 I don't want to make a Belichick comparison on--
00:27:14 because you're not comparing anybody to one
00:27:17 of the most successful coaches in the history
00:27:19 of professional sports in an extremely difficult game
00:27:22 to have that kind of success, which the NFL is.
00:27:25 But it got to a point where you're like,
00:27:29 everything in my being says this is wrong,
00:27:33 but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
00:27:34 Joe certainly hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt
00:27:38 over a long enough timeline.
00:27:40 But you're just looking at this record,
00:27:42 and they're 46 and freaking 12.
00:27:44 And I don't know--
00:27:47 can you make a case--
00:27:50 my thought was they might win the championship in spite of Joe
00:27:53 when the season began.
00:27:54 That was kind of my thinking.
00:27:55 I think a lot of our thinking.
00:27:56 They might win it.
00:27:57 I still think they could probably have a better coach
00:27:59 or someone who's going to have them better prepped
00:28:03 for the playoffs, be able to make adjustments when things
00:28:05 get blah, blah, blah.
00:28:06 That still might be the case.
00:28:08 And they still might be able to win potentially in spite
00:28:11 of Joe.
00:28:12 But who's got them in a better position
00:28:16 and playing better overall basketball
00:28:18 than they are right now at this point in time?
00:28:20 How much better are you getting than this?
00:28:23 I mean, no.
00:28:24 I mean, at this point, Joe, I don't
00:28:25 think you're getting much better.
00:28:27 So I think we all have to reserve judgment.
00:28:29 But I think the real opinions on Joe
00:28:33 are going to come out in the playoffs this year.
00:28:35 And to me, it's championship or bust.
00:28:38 So maybe that's unfair.
00:28:40 But I don't think it is.
00:28:41 I think when you look at the offseason this team had,
00:28:44 you look at who they brought in, why, the money they spent,
00:28:47 you look at the future, and you know that they're
00:28:49 going to have some tough decisions to make
00:28:51 with roster decisions.
00:28:54 And listen, if they win a championship,
00:28:59 no one's going to be able to say anything bad about Joe
00:29:02 or anything bad about Tatum or Brown or Porzingis
00:29:04 or anyone else.
00:29:06 If they don't, you're going to get a lot of criticism,
00:29:09 a lot of negativity.
00:29:11 And it's going to come at those guys, Tatum, Brown, and Joe.
00:29:14 And if they lose, it's depending on how they lose,
00:29:17 when they lose, the way they lose, all that stuff
00:29:20 is going to be important.
00:29:21 So right now, it's all fine and dandy.
00:29:22 It's the regular season.
00:29:23 We all expected the Celtics to be
00:29:26 in first or second place in the standings
00:29:28 in the regular season.
00:29:30 They're in first by a wider margin than any of us
00:29:32 probably thought.
00:29:33 And that's great.
00:29:34 But we also know that they got punked last year
00:29:37 in the playoffs.
00:29:38 So have they learned from it, as Joe learned from it?
00:29:40 Is he going to be able to coach a series against somebody
00:29:44 who might be considered a better coach, like a Spolstra?
00:29:47 It's no offense to Joe.
00:29:48 Everybody would agree that he is.
00:29:49 It becomes a bit of a chess match at that point.
00:29:51 So when Joe says, oh, tonight was a great win.
00:29:55 We learned a lot of things, or we got good information.
00:29:57 Good, apply that information to the playoffs,
00:30:00 because there's going to be times
00:30:01 where the opposing team is going to adjust to the way you guys
00:30:04 beat them and vice versa.
00:30:06 So I can't even answer whether or not-- yeah, exactly.
00:30:09 I can't even answer the question if Joe
00:30:11 is the right guy or the wrong guy.
00:30:12 I need to get through this whole regular season and playoffs.
00:30:16 And then I think that answer will--
00:30:18 I think it will have answered itself.
00:30:20 Yeah.
00:30:21 So that's kind of the thing.
00:30:24 A lot of people putting it here.
00:30:25 Yeah, regular season.
00:30:27 I get it.
00:30:29 I think that's the feeling with everybody, right?
00:30:34 The whole team.
00:30:35 Like, let's see them do it in the playoffs.
00:30:37 Who's a better coach for their team, Joe Mizzoula
00:30:41 with the Celtics or Jim Montgomery for the Bruins?
00:30:45 That's a good question.
00:30:46 Right now, the Bruins are reeling.
00:30:49 I think Montgomery legit choked.
00:30:53 I do, too.
00:30:53 In a very, very obvious way.
00:30:58 Totally.
00:30:59 Horrible.
00:30:59 Horrible.
00:31:01 He froze.
00:31:01 He didn't know what to do.
00:31:03 He didn't know what to do with the lines.
00:31:04 When Bergeron came back, he didn't know what to do.
00:31:06 He didn't know what to do with the goaltenders.
00:31:09 He really, really, really, really froze.
00:31:12 Joe didn't freeze last year, but Joe had some moments
00:31:15 where whatever.
00:31:15 But then you can also say that he pants docked rivers
00:31:18 in the conference finals in those last couple of games.
00:31:22 But again, yes, the story has yet
00:31:27 to be told in terms of whether Joe Mizzoula is the guy.
00:31:30 But they win it, yeah.
00:31:32 You're not going to be able to say anything here, there.
00:31:36 And all of this stuff just becomes weird, bellichicky.
00:31:39 But if they don't, I wonder what's going to happen.
00:31:42 I really do wonder what will happen.
00:31:44 I think if they don't make the finals,
00:31:47 he's in jeopardy of losing his job.
00:31:49 If they don't make the finals in a way where everything falls
00:31:51 apart and it's not going to be his fault,
00:31:55 it'll be the player's fault again.
00:31:57 But as we've said a million times,
00:31:59 you just can't squander this.
00:32:01 If it's like, OK, yeah, the coaches say, OK, well,
00:32:06 I got to get somebody in here that these guys will respond
00:32:08 to in the playoffs.
00:32:09 So I'm sorry, Joe, but you got to go.
00:32:10 And they'll bring in another guy again.
00:32:13 And on and on and on.
00:32:15 Fourth guy.
00:32:17 Who are you going to get, right?
00:32:19 Brad was mellow and let them do their thing.
00:32:21 Yime was in their face.
00:32:23 Joe is psychotic.
00:32:26 But what are you doing?
00:32:30 Do they hire from within?
00:32:32 I mean, you've got Cassell.
00:32:33 You've got Lee.
00:32:36 You've got some guys that some big, big hires.
00:32:39 People are going to tune in now and they'll be like,
00:32:41 people just in the show will be like,
00:32:43 they're freaking talking about who's
00:32:45 going to be the next coach of the Celtics.
00:32:47 We're not.
00:32:48 We're not.
00:32:49 Rewind it like 10 minutes and just watch.
00:32:51 Yeah, we're not.
00:32:51 We're not.
00:32:52 We're not.
00:32:52 We're not.
00:32:53 Shut up.
00:32:53 Everyone shut up.
00:32:54 Because now the chat's doing it, too.
00:32:56 This isn't the conversation we're actually having.
00:32:58 I'm just simply saying that, yeah, Joe--
00:33:01 You brought it up.
00:33:03 No, I'm just saying, have you changed your mind?
00:33:06 Joe was-- the two biggest question marks
00:33:08 entering the season were how Tatum and Brown would
00:33:12 fit with other players and whether they'd
00:33:14 understand their roles.
00:33:15 And it took a little bit of time,
00:33:18 Brown in the early part of the season, to figure it out.
00:33:22 But they were still winning.
00:33:23 They were learning on the fly, but they were still
00:33:25 performing well.
00:33:26 And the other question mark was Joe.
00:33:30 The players--
00:33:31 my question was, are you on board?
00:33:35 And a lot of the chat was like, I'm Team Joe now.
00:33:38 Yeah, and I think a lot of the players have come out.
00:33:41 Porzingis has been pretty vocal recently
00:33:43 about commending Joe in his coaching style.
00:33:48 So as long as they're winning games and the players are
00:33:51 happy, again, who the hell are we to question it, right?
00:33:55 I mean, it's working.
00:33:57 As long as it's working, I'm cool with it.
00:33:59 As soon as it stops working, guess what?
00:34:01 See you later.
00:34:02 How's that?
00:34:03 That guy.
00:34:04 That one-- oh, here we go.
00:34:06 Don't cover your eyes, Luis.
00:34:08 If we can't make at least the finals,
00:34:14 it will likely be on JB.
00:34:16 Look at these hypotheticals we're into it.
00:34:18 JB doesn't sign a Supermax, but a 1+1 like LeBron.
00:34:22 Let's start talking--
00:34:23 Yeah, come on.
00:34:24 There's no way.
00:34:26 That's just a really dumb financial move.
00:34:29 Yeah.
00:34:30 Yeah, take the bag, buddy.
00:34:33 Yeah, so anyway, we're waiting on Bobby--
00:34:37 Any word from these guys?
00:34:39 No, I haven't heard from them all game.
00:34:41 I assume they're there.
00:34:42 Of course not.
00:34:43 Yeah, of course not.
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00:36:32 Jimmy, what else do you want to talk about for tonight?
00:36:35 Are you getting mad about--
00:36:37 are you getting mad about Xavier Tillman yet?
00:36:41 It feels like the Stevens saga all over again, doesn't it?
00:36:44 I mean, they acquire the guy.
00:36:48 Everyone thinks, oh, nice little pickup there, low money.
00:36:52 Stevens came coming off a sneaky, quiet year.
00:36:54 And then they just never played him, ever, ever, ever.
00:36:57 So you get rid of him.
00:36:57 Oh, great, finally, they got rid of him.
00:36:59 By the way, Stevens is doing his thing in Memphis,
00:37:01 getting some playing time.
00:37:05 And then they sign--
00:37:06 and then they trade for another guy now in X.
00:37:09 We'll call him X. And he can't get on the court.
00:37:12 I'm not that upset about it yet, John, because again,
00:37:15 they're winning.
00:37:18 But I would like to see him get sort of acclimated
00:37:23 with the team.
00:37:24 I'd like to see some burns, see where they got here.
00:37:27 I mean, based on the highlights and the film studies
00:37:30 that I've done on this guy, he can
00:37:33 help them in a number of ways.
00:37:34 Good passing big, can switch defensively.
00:37:36 I don't know why they wouldn't throw him in there just
00:37:39 to see.
00:37:40 I don't think he has a huge liability factor to him that
00:37:45 would prevent them from doing it.
00:37:46 But maybe it's still injury-related, John,
00:37:50 and they're just not saying anything.
00:37:52 I can't figure it out otherwise.
00:37:53 Well, so that was my quibble, was about with Joe saying,
00:37:58 he likes to--
00:37:59 you had a stretch in the last game
00:38:00 where he didn't call a timeout and he let
00:38:02 him play through it.
00:38:02 He said he likes those games when they're losing things
00:38:05 in the fourth quarter because of the chaos and learn from it.
00:38:08 And sometimes you've got to get out of your rhythm
00:38:10 and figure out how to do other things.
00:38:11 Well, you know, it would be a little uncomfortable right now
00:38:14 working a couple of guys into your rotation
00:38:16 and seeing whether or not they could play.
00:38:17 It might be a little lumpy and bumpy,
00:38:20 but you are running out of time.
00:38:23 It's getting late early with this,
00:38:27 so they've got to figure it out.
00:38:29 And if not, if he's the 11th guy and that was always the case,
00:38:32 I just can't believe he's not ahead of Luke.
00:38:36 We get it.
00:38:37 I get it, Chris.
00:38:38 24 games left in the regular season.
00:38:40 This isn't a godsend.
00:38:42 This isn't the answer.
00:38:45 I'm definitely a little perplexed that he
00:38:48 can't push Luke a little.
00:38:51 I am surprised about that.
00:38:53 I really do think people are going to freak the F out.
00:38:57 Every Luke Cornett playoff minute
00:39:00 is going to feel like 100 minutes.
00:39:03 It is.
00:39:05 It is.
00:39:07 I tend to agree.
00:39:09 Yeah.
00:39:11 We're all watching the same film out there.
00:39:14 Now, again, Luke has been able to come in this year.
00:39:17 Getting late early, by the way, for the people in here
00:39:19 is a Yogi Berra quote.
00:39:21 And be just good enough to maintain and to do his thing
00:39:27 as the third center.
00:39:29 And for the money he's getting paid, fine.
00:39:31 Fine.
00:39:32 But it feels like Tillman, again, it's the ceiling factor.
00:39:35 It feels like he can offer more.
00:39:37 He can do more out there on both ends of the court.
00:39:39 He's aggressive.
00:39:40 He's physical.
00:39:41 He's a good passing big.
00:39:43 Talked about how he can pretty much switch
00:39:45 on multiple positions on the defensive side.
00:39:49 So toss him in there.
00:39:50 Throw him in the fire and see what he's got.
00:39:52 Maybe he can get some more burn than--
00:39:55 Throw this guy in the fire, too.
00:39:56 Joe Sway, throw him in the fire.
00:39:58 We're going to hear from Joe Sway Pavone.
00:40:00 First, we're going to hear from Jalen Brown
00:40:02 talking about the lack of threes in today's game.
00:40:05 Here's JB.
00:40:06 Love it.
00:40:08 Very good at shooting threes.
00:40:10 And I think a part of my job, my responsibility
00:40:13 is to get to the paint, to collapse the defense,
00:40:15 to make sure we get an open looks.
00:40:17 So sometimes I pass up threes in order
00:40:21 to try to get a paint touch because we
00:40:23 need a little bit more of those to help our three-point shooting
00:40:27 even more.
00:40:28 So a lot of times I take it upon myself
00:40:30 just to try to get to the paint, even
00:40:32 if I do have a wide open shot because I
00:40:34 know if the defense collapse, then
00:40:36 we'll be able to get some open threes down the line.
00:40:38 Everyone's just passing up threes now.
00:40:43 Everyone is all about passing up threes now, Joe Sway.
00:40:47 They've always done that.
00:40:48 Louise's heart is all aflutter.
00:40:51 I mean, that's what you're supposed to do when they're not
00:40:53 falling, right, guys?
00:40:55 Yes, it is.
00:40:56 Last year's team didn't always do that,
00:40:58 especially if they got like two or three points.
00:40:59 I wouldn't say this year's team has either.
00:41:01 Tonight they did, though.
00:41:02 But I'll say this.
00:41:03 Every single Celtics fan, on any night,
00:41:09 on any night the threes aren't falling,
00:41:11 that's what they're saying.
00:41:12 You're going to say it when Gary asks about it?
00:41:13 When Gary-- no, I was going to tie it back to Gary.
00:41:16 But we've talked about number of threes
00:41:21 versus the quality of threes and how important
00:41:23 it is to get paint touches and let it kind of flow from there.
00:41:28 And so yeah, when Joe says best game of the year,
00:41:32 it's like, we don't believe you.
00:41:33 But with Jalen, Jalen's been saying it
00:41:36 since last year with Joe.
00:41:38 Like, yeah, sometimes we just get three happy.
00:41:40 And I think that's his mentality.
00:41:42 I think a lot of people feel that way, too.
00:41:44 So yeah, I'm digging it.
00:41:47 I think that's what Joe's been trying to relay all along.
00:41:49 It's not about, oh, you have to hit a certain mark
00:41:52 or else it's a failure.
00:41:54 It's reading what the team--
00:41:55 I mean, what the defense gives you.
00:41:57 And if it's a good looking shot, if it's an open look,
00:42:00 he's not going to say stop taking those.
00:42:02 I think that's been the narrative with Joe.
00:42:03 At least that's what he's been trying
00:42:05 to get across all season long.
00:42:06 But it doesn't always translate.
00:42:08 But this game is a perfect, as he said,
00:42:10 sort of a template of what this team has
00:42:13 to do when the three-point shot isn't falling.
00:42:15 And that's essentially attack the rim,
00:42:16 get to the free throw line.
00:42:18 Jalen Brown had a lot to do with that in that first quarter.
00:42:20 And obviously, take care of the ball.
00:42:22 I mean, those turnovers, that's what essentially
00:42:24 kept the Sixers in it, right, along with their three-point
00:42:27 shooting or that hot streak that they
00:42:30 got on in that fourth quarter.
00:42:32 I can't even say this was a tale of two halves
00:42:35 because they got right back into it in that fourth.
00:42:37 All of a sudden, it's a one possession game.
00:42:39 I just think what Joe Mazzullo loved most about this game
00:42:43 and why he said it's one of his favorites
00:42:44 is because the adjustment that's something they did on the fly.
00:42:47 And they essentially knew exactly what to do.
00:42:50 It didn't take trial and error for them to get to that point.
00:42:54 They sort of did it almost immediately, or at least
00:42:56 gradually.
00:42:57 And all of a sudden, in the second half,
00:43:01 they altered.
00:43:03 They executed.
00:43:04 And Tatum had a lot to do with that at the end
00:43:06 of that fourth quarter, for sure.
00:43:07 But I mean, it was a group effort.
00:43:09 Drew Holiday had a terrific game.
00:43:11 Al Horford was great off the bench.
00:43:13 Port Zingas also getting some of those looks.
00:43:15 I love the way Derek White was finding the mismatch that low.
00:43:18 How many times did that happen when the Sixers put out
00:43:20 that three-guard lineup?
00:43:21 So I just think when you see how the South is countered
00:43:24 and how they were able to pull out this damn near 20-point
00:43:28 victory, obviously, that 16-0 run had a lot to do with that.
00:43:31 But also, just the way they were able to do that,
00:43:33 it didn't take them draining 10 or 20 threes
00:43:36 like we've seen in the past.
00:43:38 They only attempted, what, 20, 22?
00:43:40 22.
00:43:41 And let me ask you guys a quick question.
00:43:43 Strop ball.
00:43:44 And they win by 16?
00:43:45 Like, that really happens.
00:43:47 This or this?
00:43:50 I like this.
00:43:50 Wait, you're asking me?
00:43:51 Yeah, go for it.
00:43:52 Are we going--
00:43:53 You know Jimmy-- you know Jimmy Kears--
00:43:54 Are we going Brady Bunch?
00:43:56 Ask them, are we going--
00:43:57 I like this.
00:43:58 I like the skinny look.
00:44:00 What?
00:44:02 What do you say?
00:44:02 What do you say, Chad?
00:44:03 You see my bike in the video?
00:44:04 What do you say, Chad?
00:44:04 I like the Brady Bunch.
00:44:06 I do, too.
00:44:07 I do, too.
00:44:08 Wait, is there a third option?
00:44:10 It looks like a three of us.
00:44:11 The other one is--
00:44:12 It's better, yeah.
00:44:13 Wait, this is Brady Bunch.
00:44:15 This is Brady Bunch.
00:44:16 Yeah.
00:44:17 Damn.
00:44:18 Frigging kids.
00:44:19 I knew it was Brady Bunch.
00:44:21 I knew it was, but I think Bobby thought the other one was
00:44:23 Brady Bunch.
00:44:25 Bobby thinks this is around the horn.
00:44:26 Yeah, I definitely don't know Brady Bunch.
00:44:28 Bobby's like, oh, you're around the horn.
00:44:30 It's the nine box.
00:44:31 Right.
00:44:32 With everyone looking at each other and waving, you know?
00:44:36 That must have been some high level technology back then.
00:44:38 It's the Hollywood Squares, whatever you want to call it.
00:44:39 Yeah.
00:44:40 But when that dropped, that must have been some craziness.
00:44:42 People were freaking out.
00:44:43 Yeah, how are they looking at each other like that?
00:44:45 What's going on?
00:44:46 The supercomputer that generated that
00:44:49 was housed in a warehouse, to be able to put that up there.
00:44:54 Yeah, just to put the nine box graphic there.
00:45:00 Yeah, when it's all five, it's Voltron.
00:45:01 That's correct.
00:45:02 People say it's too loud.
00:45:04 OK, so Bobby, let's have your top takeaways of this game.
00:45:11 I heard you guys talking about the best game of the year
00:45:16 thing Joe said.
00:45:17 And I get what he's getting at there,
00:45:20 that they need reps against this level of switching.
00:45:23 And you need to have those looks and figure out
00:45:28 solutions against that.
00:45:30 But I don't love the performance overall against it.
00:45:34 They broke free late and got on transition way fast.
00:45:36 It gave them some trouble.
00:45:38 Yeah, it gave them some real trouble in a way
00:45:41 that if this happened against a fully loaded team
00:45:45 with real personnel to play the way Philadelphia did tonight,
00:45:49 you'd probably lose this game.
00:45:51 So I know people are going to be doing backflips over the fact
00:45:54 that they won a game shooting 22 threes.
00:45:56 It's not great that they were limited to that.
00:45:58 It's great that they found solutions to it.
00:46:00 And I do love that Al Horford, who's steadily been ramping up
00:46:03 his looks at the basket--
00:46:04 I think I talked about that after the Chicago game--
00:46:08 he got to the rim four times in this game and finished.
00:46:10 And that can sometimes be a tough shot for him.
00:46:12 But again, do you love the ball being in Jaylen's hands
00:46:15 as much as it was tonight?
00:46:16 Do you love Horford having to hit all of those
00:46:19 to stay ahead in a game like this?
00:46:22 Even forcing guys to make some of those tough decisions
00:46:24 at the rim, that's the formula I think
00:46:27 you saw tonight to beat the Celtics here.
00:46:28 And a more equipped team would have been able to do it.
00:46:32 So that's going to tell the story this year,
00:46:34 especially if it is a Clippers-Celtics finals.
00:46:38 The Clippers are the most equipped team
00:46:39 to play the Celtics that way.
00:46:41 That's how they've beaten them at different points
00:46:43 over the last couple of years.
00:46:45 So this is the formula right here.
00:46:47 The Nick Nurse, Philly, they put it out there.
00:46:51 So how do you feel about them going up against this?
00:46:54 Did you guys see the clip of Joe?
00:46:57 I think this is more family style sort of format here.
00:47:01 I'm going back and forth with this one.
00:47:03 Which clip of Joe, the one about the best game of the year
00:47:05 or the one where he was riffing with Gary?
00:47:07 What clip?
00:47:08 Are you still talking about the Brady Bunch thing?
00:47:09 What's going on?
00:47:10 Yeah, I'm still looking at the format.
00:47:12 Which clip from Joe, Bobby?
00:47:14 The one where he said it was the best game?
00:47:16 I asked him basically, how comfortable do you feel
00:47:18 against that level of switching, that kind of scheme?
00:47:21 And he just tossed up the stat sheet and said--
00:47:23 There, he gave you one of these.
00:47:24 Yeah.
00:47:25 (laughs)
00:47:26 He said, "Take that for granted."
00:47:28 How comfortable do you think they look against that kind of--
00:47:30 What did you do to Joe?
00:47:31 He liked you like a month ago.
00:47:34 Yeah, what happened?
00:47:35 Yeah, he seemed a little snippy with you, Bobby.
00:47:37 Yeah, I don't know what happened,
00:47:38 but I don't really care.
00:47:39 A little bit.
00:47:42 Good, don't care.
00:47:43 Good.
00:47:44 Listen, do they look comfortable?
00:47:47 Do they look comfortable against switching?
00:47:49 I thought so.
00:47:52 It depends.
00:47:54 You were also going a smaller lineup here
00:47:55 and it was agitating them a little bit there.
00:47:59 Just small, small killed them.
00:48:03 Yeah, until it didn't.
00:48:06 I actually think Philly probably waited too long
00:48:08 to get a big back in there late
00:48:10 and they got chewed up there during the run
00:48:14 that kind of ended the game.
00:48:15 But it--
00:48:16 Derek White made 'em pay, man.
00:48:17 Catching the switches down low,
00:48:18 whether it was Al or poor Zingas,
00:48:21 I just thought they got right into their offense,
00:48:24 and especially off of Philly's misses.
00:48:27 That's how you got out to that huge run.
00:48:30 Yeah, I'm not super worried about it.
00:48:34 I mean, they shot, they just didn't hit threes, Bobby,
00:48:37 but I mean, they got a ton of points in the pan.
00:48:39 They shot 50 something.
00:48:40 John, you're going up against,
00:48:42 and again, I don't wanna play this card
00:48:44 'cause I do agree that you gotta just beat
00:48:46 who's in front of you,
00:48:47 but you're going up against Lowry, Melton,
00:48:51 Toome, like that small lineup didn't pack
00:48:54 a ton of talent in it,
00:48:56 and it gave Boston serious trouble out there.
00:49:00 In fact, I tend to just say,
00:49:01 'cause I watched the Philly-Milwaukee game on Sunday,
00:49:04 Philly was running that lineup in that game too,
00:49:05 and just got blown off the court trying to run it.
00:49:08 And I was like, "That lineup just looks awful."
00:49:10 And they came into this one, I'm like,
00:49:11 "Uh-oh, this could get out of hand here
00:49:13 "in favor of the Celtics."
00:49:14 'Cause they started off the game great.
00:49:16 - Knocked on it. - And then that jam,
00:49:18 that jam against that small lineup,
00:49:19 I think they lost by six over that stretch.
00:49:22 You know, not a staggering deficit,
00:49:23 but again, your bench tonight looked bad
00:49:27 for the first time in a long time,
00:49:29 and I've been pretty big on them.
00:49:30 - Yeah, it's your bench, buddy.
00:49:32 - Yeah, no, I've been pretty big on them all year.
00:49:35 - Did they look horrible,
00:49:37 or did just Philly's bench just step up in a big way,
00:49:40 especially with the three-point shots?
00:49:41 - They looked horrible. - Mo Bamba?
00:49:42 - Luke wasn't great.
00:49:43 Hauser got played off the court.
00:49:46 - You're emotional, Bobby, don't say that.
00:49:48 Let's sleep on it.
00:49:50 - Yeah, I don't know, I don't think it was that bad.
00:49:52 - The bench? - I just think--
00:49:55 - Yeah, they all played bad.
00:49:57 First year was 0-3.
00:49:58 He did have the big steal late,
00:50:00 but in general, I had said it,
00:50:03 they had a run going back to November
00:50:05 where it felt like they were playing good games
00:50:06 pretty much every night,
00:50:08 and tonight they got outplayed in a considerable way
00:50:11 that actually impacted the game, I felt like.
00:50:13 Now, the starters just had a substantial advantage.
00:50:15 Philly's bigs couldn't stand with Boston's.
00:50:19 Mo Bamba and Paul Reed's not enough to win those minutes,
00:50:22 but I don't know, the second unit there,
00:50:26 that was potentially a difference in this game.
00:50:29 - So, I mean, here's the thing.
00:50:32 Let's jump ahead to the playoffs.
00:50:38 Everyone's saying-- - Are the Sixers dead?
00:50:41 - Boston's, no, Boston's bench has been good.
00:50:43 Boston's bench is gonna freaking terrify you
00:50:46 in the playoffs.
00:50:46 It's gonna terrify you.
00:50:48 And I was joking about it earlier, Bobby.
00:50:52 Al's gonna feel old sometimes.
00:50:55 He'll have some good games too.
00:50:57 Pritchard is gonna look overmatched.
00:51:00 He's gonna look like a G-Leaguer sometimes
00:51:05 when Hauser's shot's not falling
00:51:06 or when he's caught in switches
00:51:08 against really quick players like Maxey
00:51:10 who are just gonna tear him up,
00:51:12 or he's gonna get a really quick whistle on him,
00:51:14 and it's just gonna freak you out.
00:51:16 And like I said with Luke, I'm not being a jerk about it,
00:51:20 but I said earlier, every Luke minute
00:51:23 is gonna feel like 10 minutes out there
00:51:25 'cause it's just gonna be like, oh, how long can you?
00:51:28 It's gonna feel like they have to survive the bench
00:51:33 against good teams.
00:51:34 I don't believe in this bench against the playoffs.
00:51:38 I really don't.
00:51:39 It doesn't mean they can't, like, look,
00:51:42 you come close to playing even or you don't have,
00:51:44 what you don't wanna do is try 'em out,
00:51:48 realize how bad it was,
00:51:49 and then basically play your starters
00:51:51 for 90% of the second half of every single game.
00:51:53 And I think that's gonna happen a ton in the playoffs here
00:51:56 'cause they're not-- - I think it's especially
00:51:58 a problem against-- - They're not gonna feel
00:52:01 good about 'em, they're not.
00:52:02 - Against a switching team, it's especially a problem
00:52:05 because you can switch on the Luke,
00:52:06 and he's doing a better job hurting teams.
00:52:08 - It's really gonna mess with that.
00:52:11 But if you're switching and taking threes away
00:52:13 from the house or that way,
00:52:14 his game becomes a little bit one-dimensional.
00:52:16 So the guy you really need,
00:52:18 and the stats still back up the positive effect
00:52:21 of his minutes, I think he's second
00:52:23 in plus/minus period this year, Pritchard.
00:52:26 And he's the one who has the playoff experience
00:52:28 of those three.
00:52:29 His defense, to me, it gets a lot of criticism,
00:52:33 but I actually feel like he holds up well,
00:52:34 especially in isolation.
00:52:36 His isolation metrics are off the charts good this year.
00:52:41 - He's the guy. - He's statistically
00:52:45 the best ISO defender on the team, which is crazy.
00:52:48 But yes, it's not as bad as it seems defensively
00:52:51 where you figure he'd get smoked.
00:52:54 But I think he's just not consistent,
00:52:56 and that's the thing there.
00:53:00 - If you're fully loaded, I think you go to Pritchard at seven.
00:53:03 The problem is if you wanna go double big,
00:53:05 you do have to use Luke at least a few minutes.
00:53:09 So that's where you're gonna have to make a decision.
00:53:11 Do you want double big to be part of your identity?
00:53:14 It's been involved in pretty much every game.
00:53:17 So like you said last show, John,
00:53:19 is it one Luke rotation in the first half,
00:53:21 and then none in the second half?
00:53:22 - But this is becoming, exactly,
00:53:24 this is becoming indicative of what I expect
00:53:26 you're gonna see.
00:53:27 You're in playoff mode right now.
00:53:29 You snuck Luke in for 11 minutes,
00:53:31 but almost didn't bring him back in.
00:53:33 But if things didn't get a little hairy there in the fourth
00:53:36 and he went back to double big,
00:53:37 it ended up actually being,
00:53:39 whether it had anything to do with Luke or not,
00:53:41 a turning point moment.
00:53:42 They went on a 16-0 run from that point,
00:53:44 and the game was over.
00:53:45 After they kind of filly cut the lead to two, 91-89,
00:53:50 then it was 107-89, and that was the ball game.
00:53:52 But that was it, man.
00:53:55 Brissett didn't get minutes.
00:53:56 Springer didn't get minutes.
00:53:58 Cornette was reduced, and he got a few in the fourth.
00:54:00 - I don't know if the chat's still talking
00:54:02 about Tillman passing.
00:54:03 He's in the stay-ready crew.
00:54:05 He's even said it.
00:54:06 - He is, and when you get to the playoffs,
00:54:10 when you get to the playoffs and you're worried
00:54:11 about some of these guys,
00:54:12 I think people are gonna look back and say,
00:54:14 "You know what?
00:54:15 "I kind of wish we played Stevens a little bit more
00:54:18 "during the year.
00:54:18 "Maybe they should have given him more of a look.
00:54:21 "I'm kind of annoyed that we didn't rotate Tillman
00:54:24 "in to see what he's doing there."
00:54:26 All of that stuff could come...
00:54:33 What I don't get is, I don't get being complacent
00:54:36 with this bench.
00:54:37 If I were Joe, I'd be looking for anything
00:54:40 to give it a spark, just to see whether or not
00:54:42 I've got something else here.
00:54:43 You can't sit back and be like, "Oh, this is great."
00:54:47 It's been okay, but that's 'cause the starters are so good.
00:54:50 As we said at the beginning of the year,
00:54:53 it's not the bench, per se.
00:54:54 It's two bench guys playing with three starters
00:54:57 almost all the time.
00:54:59 So you're never, it's not like Youth League basketball,
00:55:02 five in, five out.
00:55:04 There's always stars on the floor,
00:55:07 and that's gonna make it right.
00:55:09 I gotta sit a whole quarter?
00:55:12 - Joe Sway, that's how you got playing time, bro.
00:55:15 - Yeah, get out of here.
00:55:16 (laughing)
00:55:18 - But for what it's worth, even if that is the dynamic, John,
00:55:21 they are number one in bench plus minus this year.
00:55:23 So it's been a good unit all year long.
00:55:24 - I know, I know.
00:55:25 - But it hasn't been shaken up.
00:55:27 It's just about the transferability to the playoffs
00:55:29 and the way you're gonna use it in the playoffs.
00:55:32 - I think it's gonna give everybody,
00:55:35 it's gonna stress everybody out in the playoffs, man.
00:55:37 - I just think this is what it's gonna look like,
00:55:39 more or less.
00:55:39 I mean, the rotations, playoff minutes.
00:55:41 You have to assume Al's gonna get a little uptick
00:55:44 to about 25-ish, something close to what we saw last year.
00:55:46 Maybe the production won't be the same,
00:55:47 but usage will, 'cause they're gonna need him.
00:55:50 He really does help these guys
00:55:52 when the starters need a rest.
00:55:55 Bobby and I, we saw him talking to Cornett on the bench,
00:55:58 getting guys, making sure everyone's still on the same page
00:56:01 and all that stuff.
00:56:02 That's who Al is as a teammate.
00:56:03 But what he does on the floor, it's just equally as important.
00:56:06 He's not one of these Udonis Haslam type of guys
00:56:08 at this point in his career.
00:56:09 So I just think that when you couple that
00:56:11 with guys like Pritchard and Hauser, a little Cornett,
00:56:14 I mean, this is what it's gonna look like in the playoffs.
00:56:17 This is the reward of having, easily,
00:56:19 the best starting five in the NBA.
00:56:21 I mean, that's still proven.
00:56:23 - So the bench plus minus is a totally misleading stat
00:56:26 because they're playing with starters.
00:56:28 So when they're out there, they're being carried.
00:56:31 So a lot of people are like,
00:56:33 "Yeah, they're the worst scoring bench in the league,
00:56:35 but their plus minus is good."
00:56:36 I'm sorry, I don't think that that's the right stat
00:56:39 to be looking at because they're out there.
00:56:42 - They all have narrow roles
00:56:43 and they have to do a few small things
00:56:45 to actually succeed in their roles.
00:56:46 Like if Luke comes in and tests two or three shots
00:56:49 and finishes the one shot he gets, he did his job.
00:56:54 - He's gotta disrupt like three alley-oops
00:56:56 right in the first couple of minutes
00:56:57 'cause that's what teams do, right?
00:56:58 They just target him and he's getting better at that.
00:57:01 So I think that we saw a little bit of that
00:57:04 against Philly, I thought tonight,
00:57:05 where he forced a couple of turnovers there
00:57:07 and got the Celtics' momentum going a little bit.
00:57:10 So that's his role,
00:57:13 especially when he's coming in
00:57:14 in those minutes in the first half.
00:57:16 - Yeah, and Derek, I'm not contesting this,
00:57:18 but everyone plays with starters.
00:57:20 No one plays with six all-star,
00:57:24 like the Celtics are basically an all-star team.
00:57:29 So they're not out there with just starters.
00:57:31 Some bench guys are playing with Jay Crowder,
00:57:34 who's a starter.
00:57:35 That's not the same as playing with White or Holiday.
00:57:38 That's what I mean is you're basically playing with,
00:57:41 you're on the floor with three all-star caliber level people
00:57:45 at all times.
00:57:46 It's totally different than other teams, totally different.
00:57:49 - Yeah, it's like the old days when most of the time
00:57:52 you saw Pierce Garnett or Ray out there
00:57:56 or Pierce Garnett Rondo,
00:57:57 one of those guys usually out there.
00:57:59 So now these guys, they have at least two-
00:58:01 - Multiple.
00:58:02 - All-stars, three all-stars out there.
00:58:05 - But don't you need a-
00:58:06 - But that's the thing is like-
00:58:07 - Don't you need a bit of a-
00:58:08 - That's the difference.
00:58:09 Old bench, sorry, Jimmy, old bench was,
00:58:11 it's Tatum and a bunch of bums
00:58:14 or Brown and a bunch of bums.
00:58:15 Can you live?
00:58:16 Now it's not that anymore.
00:58:17 It's totally different.
00:58:18 And you always have one capable point guard in there too
00:58:21 with Holiday or White.
00:58:22 But anyway, Jimmy, go ahead.
00:58:23 - Right.
00:58:24 - Well, no, I was gonna say,
00:58:25 we talked about this when they traded for Tillman.
00:58:27 We said, okay, this looks like a player
00:58:30 that if they had to go to him,
00:58:32 people wouldn't be clenching their butt cheeks
00:58:35 because they were completely nervous about this situation.
00:58:39 Whereas if you went to some other guys on this bench,
00:58:41 maybe you would be.
00:58:42 So to everyone else's point,
00:58:45 wouldn't this be the perfect time to get him in the game,
00:58:48 get some running, get some burns
00:58:49 so that if that situation does rise,
00:58:51 and again, knock on wood that it doesn't
00:58:54 or does whatever you to knock on wood for,
00:58:57 because that means there's some sort of injury
00:59:01 or there's some reason to have a guy playing
00:59:03 less minutes than normal.
00:59:04 But that's possible.
00:59:05 And if it happens, you don't have to say,
00:59:07 oh, there goes the season.
00:59:08 If you have a couple of guys off the bench
00:59:10 who you feel confident in that can hold down the fort,
00:59:13 getting that can just play those extra minutes
00:59:15 and make up for what you've lost in Snooker Cassidy.
00:59:17 Now, of course, if you lose Tatum or Brown,
00:59:19 that's a different story.
00:59:20 But I'm talking about if Al has to play limited minutes
00:59:22 or if Porzingis has to play limited minutes
00:59:25 for whatever reason, you need to have a guy like Tillman,
00:59:27 who we've seen do it in Memphis,
00:59:32 give him some of that playing time
00:59:33 and see how he plays with these guys
00:59:35 so that if you do have to go to him later on
00:59:36 or into the playoffs, it's not a complete,
00:59:38 like, who's this guy situation.
00:59:41 - Can't just throw him in when the time comes.
00:59:44 - Right, but Bobby, they got an eight game lead.
00:59:46 - Get Tillman in the fucking games, okay?
00:59:48 - Yeah, they got an eight game lead
00:59:50 in the standings right now.
00:59:52 - Like, why is he, and again, I love Luke.
00:59:55 I think he's gonna be there when the time comes,
00:59:57 but like, why'd you trade for a guy
00:59:59 and put him in the stay ready crew?
01:00:00 - You traded stay ready crew.
01:00:04 - Well, you traded, yeah, you went from stay ready
01:00:06 to continue to stay ready.
01:00:08 - You make it sound like it's a downgrade.
01:00:09 What do you mean?
01:00:10 - So what was the point?
01:00:12 - They traded the guy, Bobby, they traded the guy
01:00:14 who they were never gonna play.
01:00:15 - Good point, exactly right, Bobby.
01:00:17 - They wanted to scrap her in the middle.
01:00:19 - But it's not like you got him for free.
01:00:20 You gave up two seconds, so.
01:00:22 - You gave up two, your two entire second round picks,
01:00:25 you gave up that, you know, so.
01:00:27 - This is the Mascala situation again,
01:00:29 and Tillman, you know, you could keep him long term,
01:00:32 maybe that's--
01:00:32 - Mascala, by the way, bought out Tillman,
01:00:34 and everybody in the chat is all in a tizzy about it.
01:00:37 - A year ago they traded for Mascala,
01:00:40 and they never used him.
01:00:42 So it was just kind of a waste of two seconds.
01:00:44 Maybe Tillman stays around after this,
01:00:46 but you do have to use him, I think,
01:00:48 to make two seconds worthwhile.
01:00:49 It's not nothing that you gave up.
01:00:51 - Yeah, but it's kind of like you didn't give him a try,
01:00:53 man, like Mascala got, he had that first game,
01:00:56 and then he had a couple of stints out there.
01:00:58 Obviously, Joe didn't like what he saw,
01:00:59 so then all of a sudden he was in his leather jacket
01:01:01 for the rest of the season.
01:01:02 I mean, this is what happened.
01:01:04 Doesn't mean something's gonna happen with Tillman.
01:01:05 - What was the Blake talk, Bobby?
01:01:06 I think you were like heading the charge
01:01:09 of the Blake talk this week.
01:01:10 - They were recruiting him,
01:01:11 or at least a couple of guys were, including Garrett.
01:01:15 - Pritchard and White went on a podcast
01:01:16 and said that around December,
01:01:19 they made a pitch to him to jump back on the team,
01:01:22 and they all basically got the answer
01:01:24 that he's focused on family.
01:01:26 And I think that door's pretty much shut now
01:01:28 with them going out and getting Tillman.
01:01:30 So, didn't really work.
01:01:32 I think that was kind of his mindset.
01:01:33 - I'm gonna echo this.
01:01:35 What a, that's not a guy to come help you.
01:01:38 That's, hey, come hang out with us and win a championship
01:01:41 'cause we like having you around.
01:01:42 - Yeah, no shit.
01:01:43 They're not gonna get anybody right now
01:01:45 that's gonna help them.
01:01:47 They're not gonna, they have no interest.
01:01:49 There's already guys on this team that can help them
01:01:51 that they choose not to help them.
01:01:53 So why are they gonna go find somebody on the street?
01:01:55 He's just a guy that can hang out in the second bus
01:01:58 and keep the vibes going.
01:01:59 You gotta have a vibes guy, John.
01:02:01 You gotta have a good vibes guy on the team.
01:02:03 Apparently that's been Blake Griffin for a couple years.
01:02:05 - He's a mascot.
01:02:06 Yeah, no, but they've got good vibes.
01:02:09 Porzingis is a walking good.
01:02:11 - Porzingis is one of those guys.
01:02:12 - Yeah, you can never have enough good vibes.
01:02:14 - Cornette's awesome on there.
01:02:16 You know, like, you know.
01:02:18 - No, of course.
01:02:19 I'm not saying that they don't have enough guys.
01:02:20 - I think Blake wants to play.
01:02:22 He actually got to play last year.
01:02:23 So that was a big incentive.
01:02:24 - I, yeah, who knows. - Well, Blake wants to play
01:02:27 except he just said he doesn't wanna play, so.
01:02:29 - Oh, like if he was gonna join the team,
01:02:32 he would actually wanna play, not be the mascot.
01:02:35 - You think that's what it is, Bob?
01:02:36 You think he's been ramping up all season?
01:02:38 I don't know. - Yeah, he's not gonna,
01:02:39 he's not, he's not gonna take on a full-time job.
01:02:43 - He doesn't want that ring?
01:02:44 He doesn't want that, I'm surprised
01:02:45 he doesn't wanna jump on and grab that ring.
01:02:48 - He's golfing, he's doing his comedies.
01:02:51 - He can still do all those things on the Celtics though.
01:02:53 That's the beauty of it.
01:02:54 - Yeah, you gotta show up there, Blake.
01:02:56 - Who's got that thing beeping behind the,
01:02:58 mute yourself for a minute.
01:02:59 Thank you.
01:03:01 My God.
01:03:02 - This is my spot now, man.
01:03:03 This is the, this is the opposing team.
01:03:06 - Mike Palumbo from the top row.
01:03:08 Longtime listener, always tuning in post game.
01:03:11 This is really with Bobby and Joe Suede at Denver Fund.
01:03:15 Row one behind the bench.
01:03:16 - Oh wow, that's $90 I think that we've got
01:03:20 to get them to Denver Fund.
01:03:21 - Oh right, 'cause you got, what's her name, from New York.
01:03:25 - Yes, that's right.
01:03:26 - Who was that?
01:03:28 - Pocket all of this, that's cool.
01:03:30 Jimmy, you don't mind, right?
01:03:31 - I got it.
01:03:32 - No, only if you guys go.
01:03:33 If you don't go, it gets, it goes back into my pocket.
01:03:36 - That's next week, we're gonna have to book it.
01:03:39 - Guys, send me the Denver Fund now.
01:03:41 All of our Denver peeps.
01:03:44 - Yeah, don't you guys have a house?
01:03:47 Do you guys have a house to stay in too?
01:03:49 Then you have to pay for a room, room and board.
01:03:52 - As of right now, they've got enough money
01:03:55 to get to Framingham.
01:03:56 (laughing)
01:03:58 - Peter Pan bus.
01:04:03 - Peter Pan buses to Framingham.
01:04:05 - Yeah, maybe make it to Worcester, I don't know.
01:04:08 - We need about 27 more stops.
01:04:10 - We could go to Maine.
01:04:12 - Yeah, no.
01:04:13 - Melanie.
01:04:14 - Maybe make it to Worcester,
01:04:15 but they won't be able to come back, yeah.
01:04:18 - Melanie, what's her name?
01:04:19 She said she's gonna put you guys up if you get out there.
01:04:23 So there you go.
01:04:26 - Yes, that's a huge expense right there.
01:04:28 Anyways.
01:04:30 - Worcester, head over to Worcester.
01:04:32 - Yeah, because the more donations it gets to Worcester.
01:04:38 - Bobby, all right, so here it is, ready?
01:04:40 - Father down the pike.
01:04:42 - Let's get father down the pike.
01:04:43 - Let me tell you, we're gonna do two more things.
01:04:45 Anything else on this game?
01:04:47 - God, no.
01:04:48 - Oh, shoot, I did the peace sign.
01:04:49 - What do you?
01:04:50 - Is that what it, we just figure out that's what it does?
01:04:52 - Yeah, no, but only John can do it.
01:04:54 It's the weirdest thing.
01:04:55 He has this connection.
01:04:56 - No, it's like a FaceTime camera thing.
01:04:58 Double thumbs up does the exclusion.
01:05:00 - When did you find that out?
01:05:02 - One of my--
01:05:03 - If this team wins it all, John's gonna lose it.
01:05:05 He's gonna be going home.
01:05:05 - One of my guys DMed me about it.
01:05:11 I'm telling you, only John can do it.
01:05:12 - Len, Len, one of our viewers.
01:05:14 - I've tried once or twice and it just doesn't happen.
01:05:18 And then I feel--
01:05:18 - It's like the double does something different, confetti.
01:05:23 - This is just like your webcam does this.
01:05:28 - Yeah, he's got some money.
01:05:29 - I think one thumbs up does something different.
01:05:31 And two, oh, it gives you the thumbs up.
01:05:34 And the two does the fireworks, there's a few of them.
01:05:36 - Do the two again.
01:05:39 - I don't know if it's gonna, you gotta smile too.
01:05:41 I, boom!
01:05:42 - You smile.
01:05:44 - There it is.
01:05:44 - What were you gonna say, I forgot.
01:05:48 - That's awesome.
01:05:49 - I forget.
01:05:50 - I love that those were going off
01:05:51 during coordinate talk last time.
01:05:53 - I know, I'm like, how the fuck did I get that going?
01:05:56 - What about middle finger?
01:05:57 Does that do something?
01:05:59 - Oh.
01:06:00 - It signs you off.
01:06:01 - Oh. - Yeah.
01:06:02 - Boom, power down.
01:06:02 - It immediately close you out.
01:06:04 - Speaking of middle finger,
01:06:05 someone got kicked out with like 10 seconds left tonight
01:06:08 and was like giving the middle finger to everybody.
01:06:10 Like it was weird.
01:06:11 - I guess he got into it with a Sixers fan, Gary.
01:06:14 - With Camp Pain, right?
01:06:15 - No, was that with the player?
01:06:18 Oh, I didn't know that.
01:06:19 - I think it was with the player
01:06:20 and then he got kicked out
01:06:21 and was just giving everybody the finger.
01:06:21 - It was like the final minute of the game.
01:06:24 Well, close to it, I think.
01:06:25 - Yeah.
01:06:26 - Yeah, but he says coordinate.
01:06:29 - It's always something going on, bud.
01:06:32 Whenever you suck at Sixers,
01:06:34 remember in Philly, that guy got kicked out?
01:06:38 Or someone got checked or something.
01:06:39 I forget what it was, but it's always something.
01:06:41 - There was something going on in Nick's section too.
01:06:43 - What are these guys talking about, Jimmy?
01:06:44 Is it just, are you guys having a side combo?
01:06:46 Should you try to-
01:06:47 - No, we're trying to-
01:06:48 - No, I brought it up and you guys-
01:06:49 I brought it up.
01:06:50 - Talking about a damn like interaction
01:06:52 that only they saw, I guess.
01:06:53 - You're still talking about the game here.
01:06:56 All right.
01:06:56 - Somebody got kicked out.
01:06:58 - You guys are trying to fire off filters
01:07:00 or whatever the heck that is.
01:07:01 - That's it.
01:07:02 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:03 Two other things.
01:07:04 I don't know what pointing does.
01:07:05 Hopefully nothing.
01:07:06 I wonder what the wind horse does.
01:07:07 - You got the lowest third.
01:07:08 You got the lowest third.
01:07:09 - I wonder what, nothing.
01:07:11 Jason Tatum's wrist wrapped
01:07:13 after falling on it the other day
01:07:16 and rubbing it a couple of times during the game.
01:07:18 Any insight there from our intrepid reporters?
01:07:22 Anything we should be worried about?
01:07:23 Don't say no if you don't know.
01:07:26 - I mean, it's nothing that they're being
01:07:30 crystal clear about.
01:07:31 I mean, I don't know if it played his performance
01:07:35 in this game, 'cause he didn't shoot all that great
01:07:36 until the fourth quarter,
01:07:37 but I didn't see it as something that was slowing him down.
01:07:41 But yeah, no one's really elaborated on it.
01:07:44 - I mean, he never addressed it fully
01:07:47 after the initial injury a couple of years ago, obviously.
01:07:51 So I don't think it had been an issue
01:07:54 to this point this year,
01:07:56 but is it something that flares up more easily?
01:07:58 He did take a mean spill.
01:08:00 Was that in Nick's game?
01:08:02 I thought it was in the Chicago game.
01:08:05 But either way, he did take a mean fall on it
01:08:09 and turn the ball over on one play.
01:08:11 I don't know what to make of it.
01:08:17 Obviously, it's sore if it's getting wrapped up,
01:08:19 and I think it's probably impacted him at different points.
01:08:22 - Just throwing it out there, just throwing it out there.
01:08:24 Others think Bobby--
01:08:25 - He's been putting a bandaid on that thing
01:08:26 for over a year, man.
01:08:28 - Probably three years.
01:08:29 - Yeah, his wrist burst.
01:08:32 - Remember when Brown's hand burst?
01:08:34 - Yeah.
01:08:35 - Yeah, it burst.
01:08:37 - Yeah, I do remember that.
01:08:39 - Yeah.
01:08:40 The last thing, a report today
01:08:44 that Jason Tatum told Doc Rivers
01:08:47 to give Jalen Brown his All-Star minute
01:08:49 so he could get the MVP.
01:08:51 Proof, Bobby, that they like each other?
01:08:54 Is this it?
01:08:55 Did you find it?
01:08:56 Did you find the proof?
01:08:58 - I think this, yeah, this shot--
01:09:00 - Yeah, just answer your question.
01:09:01 Yeah, just answer your question now.
01:09:04 - I mean, I think we've seen visibly
01:09:08 over the last week here,
01:09:09 them embracing each other a little more,
01:09:12 and that's all we asked for, John, right?
01:09:15 It wouldn't kill either of them
01:09:17 when they're asked to say something other than,
01:09:19 yeah, we've been together for a long time.
01:09:22 - My co-partner.
01:09:24 - Every time, going back years.
01:09:26 - We've learned to coexist over the years.
01:09:29 Like, ah, the warmth.
01:09:31 - Yeah, that's what I mean.
01:09:32 I'm sure that's what Bobby says when they ask him,
01:09:35 what's it like working with Joe Swayze?
01:09:36 - John, did you go off on this already?
01:09:39 - You coexist with one?
01:09:40 - At some point.
01:09:42 - No, I just came to Bobby's defense on Twitter.
01:09:43 - I got 90 damn tweets about it.
01:09:45 - Yeah.
01:09:46 - Oh, I know, I read them too.
01:09:47 I went at it with a couple people too.
01:09:48 - Simply asking, like, people talked about it,
01:09:51 the All-Star game, it was just rolling back the quotes
01:09:53 and everybody jumped all over him, so.
01:09:55 - Yeah, 'cause people don't read the article,
01:09:56 they just see the tweet and they cry.
01:09:58 - Yeah, the article was just like,
01:09:59 hey, these stars said it's important,
01:10:01 Joe Mazzuolo says it's not.
01:10:03 These guys have never been--
01:10:04 - Drew Holiday said it was important this year too.
01:10:06 - Yeah, these guys have never been warm and fuzzy,
01:10:09 and everyone's like, shut up, loser, and so.
01:10:11 - You know, Bob, it's interesting hearing that from Drew,
01:10:13 because, you know, there's a lot of speculation there.
01:10:15 That last season, Milwaukee,
01:10:16 things weren't so great between him and Giannis,
01:10:19 obviously you know what happened during the offseason.
01:10:21 I mean, regardless. - Yeah, it's gotten traded.
01:10:22 - Giannis wanted to play with Dame no matter what,
01:10:24 so even if they had the greatest relationship in the world,
01:10:27 I still think that trade happens,
01:10:28 but there's a lot of reports speculating
01:10:31 that that friendship kind of splintered, you know,
01:10:35 towards the end of the spring season
01:10:36 into the fall season, which often backs off.
01:10:37 - Also, though, All-Star Weekend,
01:10:40 Dame was asked his top five players,
01:10:45 if he were to do, you know,
01:10:48 like which five are you rolling with,
01:10:50 and he doesn't include Giannis.
01:10:51 - Yeah, that part too. - Interesting.
01:10:54 - Yeah, man.
01:10:55 - Kind of a wild answer.
01:10:58 - Yeah.
01:10:59 - Oh, shit.
01:11:10 And then he left.
01:11:11 Now we're in like Fall River.
01:11:16 Oh, shit.
01:11:21 Okay, no, we're in like, yeah, we're in like Springfield.
01:11:23 - We wanna go through New York.
01:11:25 - Albany?
01:11:27 - By Joe, what were you saying about that
01:11:28 with the dunk contest?
01:11:30 - With the what?
01:11:32 - Yeah, and it's funny 'cause he did say BAM
01:11:35 'cause he wanted to be in Miami so badly.
01:11:37 That's exactly right.
01:11:38 - Oh, no, what I was saying was-
01:11:39 - What were you saying?
01:11:39 - Yeah, no, I just think, you know,
01:11:42 that pass, you know, for the, like, listen,
01:11:46 the worst pass, Jalen gets all the smoke for,
01:11:50 oh, how could you jump over a guy that short?
01:11:53 And, you know, clearly that's not what he wanted to do.
01:11:55 And then the video comes out when you see
01:11:57 what he wanted to do with that dunk contest.
01:11:59 Everyone's like, oh, well, yeah,
01:12:01 he wanted to do the deep brown midair.
01:12:03 That makes sense.
01:12:04 I mean, that's what I thought all along,
01:12:05 but I just always, I always said from day one-
01:12:08 - But they didn't do it because they never practiced it.
01:12:11 And Tatum walks out with his fricking coat on.
01:12:13 These guys couldn't find five minutes to practice this?
01:12:16 - No, we did it.
01:12:17 And I'm glad we're into this now
01:12:18 because, Jimmy, I wanna hear your take
01:12:19 and I wanna hear John Moore, what he has to say about it
01:12:21 because to me, I called it the,
01:12:23 I got shit to do after this jacket.
01:12:25 Like that's what he was wearing.
01:12:26 Like, I'm gonna give you this off
01:12:28 and I'm going to continue my night and I'm out.
01:12:31 And that's exactly what happened.
01:12:33 So it should feel bad.
01:12:36 - What I would call horrible optics, horrible optics.
01:12:41 Watch, seeing the clip of Tatum walking out of the arena
01:12:45 during the dunk contest, which in most cases-
01:12:48 - There's 10 minutes left.
01:12:49 - It's the- - Can you do anything?
01:12:50 - It's pretty much the biggest event of All-Star Weekend,
01:12:54 whether or not you think it's trash now or not, it's still-
01:12:56 - You can do the classic-
01:12:58 - The event that everybody goes to,
01:13:00 all the players go to, the fans go to,
01:13:02 there's cameras out, there's celebrities there,
01:13:05 there's judges, and your teammate leaves.
01:13:08 As you go to the finals,
01:13:09 your teammate is not there to watch you finish it.
01:13:12 What did he have to do?
01:13:14 Don't forget, boys, and you were there.
01:13:15 You were in Indiana.
01:13:17 There wasn't a whole lot going on in Indiana
01:13:19 from what I have been told.
01:13:22 - Yeah, that's a good point, Jimmy.
01:13:23 I don't know why he would plan something.
01:13:25 And again, this is like an emergency situation came up.
01:13:28 Why would you plan something for the same exact time
01:13:31 of the dunk contest that your teammate is in?
01:13:33 Even if you're not a part of the dunk,
01:13:35 you should be there cheering him on.
01:13:38 - Well, Bobby, maybe he was a messed up-
01:13:39 - Give him like a fake,
01:13:41 give him like a massage on the side, laugh it off.
01:13:43 - I caught the video, John, it's pretty funny.
01:13:45 - It's just, to me, it's just a poor option.
01:13:48 - This is like Tangway Takes America, by the way.
01:13:50 Remember when we did that at BC?
01:13:53 We were gonna send these guys bopping through America
01:13:55 on the way to the Super Bowl.
01:13:57 - Absolutely.
01:13:57 - Tangway Takes America was hilarious.
01:14:00 Adam Hart, shout out to Adam Hart.
01:14:03 He put together that whole visual.
01:14:07 - I gotta hear, John.
01:14:09 - John Henry drove with-
01:14:11 - See, I love this, though.
01:14:13 Let it go.
01:14:13 Look at the conversation.
01:14:14 Let it go, guys.
01:14:15 They're best friends.
01:14:17 - I had to get it off my chest.
01:14:18 I had it in for a week.
01:14:20 - No, no, not you.
01:14:21 - No, it's fine.
01:14:21 - But that's the thing, it's like-
01:14:22 - No, I know.
01:14:23 That's the only reason why I'm talking about it now.
01:14:24 It doesn't bother me, though.
01:14:25 - I don't think it's like, it's not like the most,
01:14:27 like, yeah, there's plenty of, it's not like,
01:14:30 there's not an open disdain.
01:14:32 These guys aren't enemies.
01:14:33 It's just always been funny where it's like,
01:14:35 all you gotta do is just say this one thing
01:14:38 or do this one thing and everyone will leave you alone.
01:14:40 They miss it.
01:14:43 But anyway, good pub today 'cause they do that.
01:14:45 Simmons talks about it in his podcast
01:14:47 and he's like, you know what?
01:14:48 He's like, I think these guys
01:14:49 are starting to like each other.
01:14:51 And I don't disagree with that take in the sense that-
01:14:53 - I think, yeah.
01:14:54 - I do think that like the vibe of the team,
01:14:59 but the vibe of the whole team is right for them now.
01:15:03 You know what I mean?
01:15:04 I think they like all of it.
01:15:05 I don't think they liked all of it before.
01:15:07 And what you had was JB doing his thing,
01:15:10 Tatum doing his thing.
01:15:12 Tatum's got a couple guys who he was buddies with,
01:15:14 but they're kind of like the scrubs.
01:15:16 And then, you know,
01:15:17 Brown would hang with Marcus a little bit
01:15:19 and Grant is over doing Grant things.
01:15:22 You know, like it was just a little weird.
01:15:24 - I think we can all agree.
01:15:25 Jalen Brown was annoyed by Grant
01:15:27 and Grant hung around Tatum.
01:15:29 So Grant Williams was the reason why
01:15:32 everybody hated everybody on the team.
01:15:34 Now he's gone.
01:15:35 - I think there were enough people there
01:15:36 that the vibes in the room- - Can we pull up
01:15:37 that dream room in Greencliff?
01:15:39 - That was, yeah, we should.
01:15:41 - The vibes in the room weren't perfect.
01:15:43 I think they were just like, this is who we are.
01:15:45 I just think they're just generally just happier this year.
01:15:48 - I think when you look at the way the team is,
01:15:51 when you look at the way the team's structured too,
01:15:53 where it's gonna be read base,
01:15:55 where it's gonna be finding matchups,
01:15:57 you're not saying, all right,
01:15:59 Tatum's handling the ball for the stretch
01:16:01 and getting this many shots,
01:16:02 or Brown's gonna lead the bench on the ball.
01:16:05 It's all gonna be oriented around
01:16:06 who you wanna pull in the actions.
01:16:08 And it's all gonna be pretty straightforward and simple.
01:16:10 Who gets shots each night,
01:16:13 who has the ball on any given possession.
01:16:16 It's pretty predetermined in terms of who they're playing
01:16:20 and what they're playing against.
01:16:21 And my biggest thing is this,
01:16:24 maybe we talked a little bit about after the Bulls game,
01:16:27 this read the game, be the smartest team,
01:16:29 as Jalen talks about.
01:16:31 I think it's all made them better players
01:16:34 'cause they're all thinking the game out on the fly.
01:16:37 And that's, I think, a credit to Joe too,
01:16:39 in terms of how he structured the team,
01:16:41 the read base, player-based actions,
01:16:45 and attacking match-ups,
01:16:47 and having that be the structure of everything they do.
01:16:49 I think that creates that harmony off the court
01:16:51 and that you're not just funneling shots to Tatum,
01:16:54 you're not just funneling shots to Brown.
01:16:55 In fact, I think Joe said something specifically
01:16:57 after one of the last two games,
01:16:59 how can we figure out how to find the hot hand
01:17:01 within the flow of the offense
01:17:03 and not just be feeding them shots to play one-on-one?
01:17:05 And he thought that was a real area of growth
01:17:07 in recent games here.
01:17:09 So--
01:17:10 - We've been clamoring for that.
01:17:12 - Their offense just continues to evolve.
01:17:14 Like game in and game out.
01:17:16 - Yeah.
01:17:17 - It's eating so many different looks.
01:17:19 Like, I don't think there's an answer on how to guard them.
01:17:22 I think teams are just throwing crap against the wall
01:17:24 and everything's pretty much failing.
01:17:26 - Yeah.
01:17:27 But yeah, I think the comments here are all really astute.
01:17:31 I think there's a lot of that.
01:17:33 You don't have the forced leadership
01:17:34 with the grants and the smarts in here,
01:17:36 taking a lot of air out of the room
01:17:38 and feeling like they gotta be the ones to step up
01:17:40 when Brown and Tatum might've been like,
01:17:42 "Nah, man, don't."
01:17:43 You know, like everything's just kinda like,
01:17:45 it's just easier and it's professional.
01:17:47 It's like, you know, everyone just shows up
01:17:49 and Bobby just said it, knows what they're supposed to do.
01:17:52 I think that makes a big, big difference.
01:17:55 It's not, yeah, maybe you had, and again,
01:17:58 I don't think Brogdon was,
01:18:00 Brogdon, I don't think there's a lot of love for Brogdon
01:18:02 in that area too.
01:18:05 But you had a bunch of guys, you know,
01:18:07 the three guard situation there,
01:18:09 who should be in, who shouldn't be in,
01:18:11 who's supposed to be a leader, who's supposed to be that.
01:18:13 I, you know, I don't think they disliked each other.
01:18:16 I just think it wasn't as free and easy as it is this year.
01:18:20 So that's definitely good.
01:18:21 Everyone's loving the Muscala here.
01:18:23 Any other closing thoughts here?
01:18:25 Anyway, we wanted to point it out.
01:18:26 I think if it's fair to talk about Jalen not,
01:18:30 Tatum not practicing the dunk with Brown,
01:18:33 weird commentary about, you know,
01:18:35 coexisting with each other
01:18:36 and then him peacing out at the dunk contest,
01:18:38 you're gonna mention this too, because you know why?
01:18:41 It's all fair to talk about, okay?
01:18:43 It's all just out there and we talk about all of it.
01:18:46 So stuff like that is definitely good to see,
01:18:49 you know, Tatum advocating for Brown on Sunday
01:18:53 after he kind of, you know,
01:18:55 left him in the lurch on Saturday.
01:18:56 We like it.
01:18:57 - Let's play this Tatum clip.
01:18:59 - Oh, we're gonna hear from Tatum.
01:19:01 Go ahead, go ahead, Bobby.
01:19:03 - Real quick on Tatum.
01:19:04 Nine straight games with five plus assists,
01:19:07 6.6 assists per game over that stretch,
01:19:09 which was 2.2 turnovers.
01:19:12 It's really good stuff.
01:19:13 - Louise, oh Louise.
01:19:16 (laughing)
01:19:18 - She got it in there.
01:19:20 - I agree with this too.
01:19:22 I think, I think Smart, I think Smart had to go.
01:19:26 I really do.
01:19:28 And it's not because, I think there's a lot of love for him,
01:19:32 but I think it made such-
01:19:33 - Baskably speaking though, he's not missed.
01:19:36 That's what he said.
01:19:36 - No.
01:19:37 - That's putting it gently.
01:19:38 - Yeah, it is.
01:19:39 We were going to talk about, and yes, Louise, shots fired.
01:19:44 Tatum, by the way, talked about things getting,
01:19:48 them playing through difficulty.
01:19:49 We've said this a bunch of times this year, right guys?
01:19:51 Like, you know, they lose this game a year ago.
01:19:54 I think Jimmy texted on the thread.
01:19:56 This is where they blow this lead with three minutes left,
01:19:58 you know, whatever it was.
01:19:59 And then they pissed it away earlier in the fourth quarter.
01:20:01 We've had a lot of these, when they take these punches,
01:20:04 like they took early in the fourth quarter,
01:20:05 how many of these games went in the wrong direction?
01:20:07 Another example of them riding the ship
01:20:09 and self-correcting and figuring it out,
01:20:12 even though it did come after a Joe timeout,
01:20:13 which kudos to you, Joe.
01:20:16 - Yeah.
01:20:17 - Here's Tatum talking about it.
01:20:19 I swear.
01:20:23 - Psych.
01:20:24 - Obviously adding new pieces and guys
01:20:26 that have done special things in this league.
01:20:29 Drew's won the championship.
01:20:30 And learning from our mistakes, you know, in the past years.
01:20:34 Looking past opponents, if they have guys out,
01:20:37 we might let our guard down.
01:20:39 And, you know, I think we've just done a better job
01:20:43 of learning from those mistakes that we've made in the past.
01:20:47 - Okay.
01:20:53 - Okay, I'm glad we got that.
01:20:55 - I got nothing to add to that.
01:20:59 - Thanks, Jimmy.
01:21:00 - I didn't put it up there.
01:21:03 - No, I'm glad.
01:21:04 Glad that people needed to hear that.
01:21:06 - Yeah.
01:21:07 - Another thing, too, you look at that Joe's talked about
01:21:10 is when they do have these lapses,
01:21:12 they get out of them pretty quickly.
01:21:14 - Glad we got that.
01:21:16 - Like they blew the game back.
01:21:19 - There will be no Amit slander.
01:21:22 No one who sent you money to go to Denver will be slandered
01:21:25 and Amit will not be slandered on the show.
01:21:27 But go ahead, Bobby, sorry.
01:21:29 - Amit didn't send me money.
01:21:30 - They did.
01:21:31 What was it, the third?
01:21:32 They squandered like an 11 point lead, went down six,
01:21:34 or at least somewhere midway through the game.
01:21:37 They got out of those lapses pretty quickly.
01:21:39 And again, back to like the self-management and the team.
01:21:43 I think Joe's talked a lot about how like they figure out
01:21:45 what's going wrong in those spots
01:21:47 and then pull themselves out of it almost single-handedly.
01:21:50 And Joe did have a time out when they pulled within two,
01:21:53 I think at like 91, 89 there.
01:21:56 So this game got a little rocky.
01:21:58 I didn't love this game.
01:21:59 Like I didn't come out of it saying like,
01:22:01 ooh, this is amazing.
01:22:02 They really learned some stuff here.
01:22:04 But as you said, John, there's a lot of games in the past.
01:22:07 Similarly, this one that they lost.
01:22:09 And for them to go running away convincingly in the fourth,
01:22:13 the way they did,
01:22:13 it's a reason this team's gonna stack up there
01:22:18 regular season wise with some of the great ones.
01:22:21 - Yeah, I'm surprised, Bobby.
01:22:22 I feel like this would be one of those Bobby wins, right guys?
01:22:25 I'm really surprised to hear you say that.
01:22:26 - I am too, because he loved the Knicks win.
01:22:28 He was gushing.
01:22:29 - Yeah, you called it one of their best.
01:22:32 - Yeah, right, man.
01:22:33 - The offense was clunky in this game at times.
01:22:35 And again, if Philly stayed small
01:22:38 and stayed succeeding in that lineup,
01:22:41 this one might've gone another way.
01:22:43 But those bigs just, those bigs didn't get them enough
01:22:46 when they did try to go big and match Boston there.
01:22:49 - I want to address this, 'cause it's funny,
01:22:53 'cause you guys are saying it and I'll say it too.
01:22:55 This stuff, look, Kawhi Leonard was never the face
01:23:00 of the NBA, even though he was maybe the best player
01:23:03 for a year or two, you know, for a stretch,
01:23:05 or at least in the conversation,
01:23:07 because he's boring as shit.
01:23:10 This hurt, like, why is everyone looking at guys
01:23:16 like Anthony Edwards?
01:23:17 'Cause he's so freaking fun and entertaining and engaging.
01:23:21 This stuff does hurt.
01:23:23 To be the face of something, you gotta have some--
01:23:26 - Charisma.
01:23:28 - You gotta have something, right?
01:23:29 Even if it's negative charisma, you know what I mean?
01:23:34 Or a polarizing personality like LeBron, you know?
01:23:37 But you can't just, well, we just, you know.
01:23:43 - Yeah.
01:23:44 (laughing)
01:23:44 - Yeah.
01:23:45 - Just gotta go out there and play hard.
01:23:46 - That's a good point, man.
01:23:47 Even when LeBron turned heel, you know, it was still,
01:23:49 he had that chip on his shoulder and he, yeah.
01:23:51 - Yeah.
01:23:52 - Yeah.
01:23:53 - I bet--
01:23:54 - We just gotta go out there and do our thing
01:23:57 and just play hard and, you know.
01:23:59 - Yeah, yeah.
01:24:00 - Not worry about the outside noise, you know?
01:24:01 - We gotta do all the time, you know?
01:24:04 - Oh.
01:24:05 - He's gone, by the way.
01:24:05 - He's always like too cool for school every time he talks.
01:24:08 - I got one more thing for you, John.
01:24:14 Do you really believe--
01:24:14 - And that's it.
01:24:15 - John, all right, all right, Jesse, I guess we gotta go.
01:24:18 It's just for John.
01:24:19 - Do you really believe in Beats coming back in March?
01:24:23 - I think it's possible only because I didn't think
01:24:30 he was gonna play the entire Celtics.
01:24:31 - You're about to do the Rob thing?
01:24:32 - I didn't think he was gonna play
01:24:33 the entire Celtics season, series.
01:24:36 - I'm calling BS, Bobby.
01:24:41 I know you didn't ask me, but I'm calling BS.
01:24:42 - That's a great point, John.
01:24:44 If you forget about that, we were saying there was no way
01:24:47 he could play the whole series.
01:24:48 - I'm stunned that they're gonna do this if they are.
01:24:51 But I don't know, maybe this is their way
01:24:54 of keeping the team engaged
01:24:55 and trying to hold this thing together.
01:24:57 But again, I was, and I still don't know,
01:25:00 the reporting was bad off the tip.
01:25:03 You had reports at the beginning that--
01:25:06 - Well, they wouldn't use the term tear.
01:25:09 Yeah, they wouldn't wanna use the word tear.
01:25:10 - Well, no, they were using repair,
01:25:12 which would have knocked him out long, long term.
01:25:15 And if he's coming back--
01:25:16 - We went through this whole repair, repair, no.
01:25:18 - Yeah, the word-- - Repair or replace.
01:25:20 No, replace was the long term.
01:25:21 Repair is the, the trim is the repair, right?
01:25:25 - Well, that'd be removal. - That's what Rob had.
01:25:27 No, it's repair or replace.
01:25:29 It replaces the long time table.
01:25:31 The repair is the trim.
01:25:33 That's what Rob got.
01:25:34 So if it's a repair,
01:25:35 he could be on the Rob Williams timeline.
01:25:37 - And that would be four, six weeks or so.
01:25:41 That must be what they did.
01:25:43 - But if he does come back, Bobby,
01:25:45 we're talking about what, like 70%?
01:25:48 And B, like, I just don't think that's enough.
01:25:50 - Remember what Rob looked like coming back that year?
01:25:54 And then he started with the pain.
01:25:56 - But Rob relies on athleticism solely to be effective.
01:26:01 - Also, Rob is Rob.
01:26:02 He's never been good.
01:26:03 So compare him to MB, it is probably not fair.
01:26:07 - Well, MB's always been hard too.
01:26:07 - Taking 10% of Rob's athleticism away,
01:26:10 it took away 50% of his effectiveness.
01:26:13 Like he was, he couldn't, 'cause that's all he was.
01:26:17 - Yeah, and B can shoot his own free throw jumper
01:26:19 and watch himself and the guys to get to the free throw line.
01:26:23 - He's gonna, exactly.
01:26:24 He's gonna get his.
01:26:25 He's gonna get to the line and he can shoot his own.
01:26:27 - They need MVP and B to compete.
01:26:30 That's, they're not good enough.
01:26:32 And he's not gonna just be MVP and B when he comes back.
01:26:34 So I just don't think that even getting him is enough
01:26:37 for them to really make it.
01:26:38 - In a first round series, they're a little dangerous
01:26:40 if that's what it ends up being.
01:26:42 You don't wanna see them have-
01:26:45 - I think they're just annoying.
01:26:47 - Yeah, and that's any team first round.
01:26:49 Like the key to the first round
01:26:51 is gonna be them sweeping through it
01:26:52 and sitting back on the couch in Boston.
01:26:54 - Last year, the six game thing with Atlanta
01:26:56 that nearly became seven games,
01:26:58 that just set an awful tone for the playoffs.
01:27:02 So if it's Orlando, if it's Chicago,
01:27:05 you want one of those teams that you can just blow through
01:27:07 and not even have to sweat.
01:27:09 - Right.
01:27:10 - Yeah, do you remember wanting Buddy Heald
01:27:12 on this team at one point in time?
01:27:15 We definitely talked about it.
01:27:16 - It was a major non-factor.
01:27:18 - It's like a outside shooter type guy.
01:27:22 - Yeah, you know before-
01:27:23 - I pointed that out to Joe Swaye during the game.
01:27:26 I was like, "Oh, he's not good."
01:27:29 - At all.
01:27:30 Anyway, let's wrap it up here.
01:27:32 We got a little break and I think we deserve it.
01:27:36 I think we'll take it.
01:27:37 We're back though, we've got Friday.
01:27:38 - Hey, talk about Friday.
01:27:39 I can't wait for that one.
01:27:41 - Luba.
01:27:42 - How many did he have tonight, Joe?
01:27:46 - 45.
01:27:47 Crazy, crazy sequence that went down.
01:27:50 If you guys didn't see it.
01:27:52 - Oh, I did.
01:27:53 - He made an incredible no look,
01:27:54 but the game wasn't over, I'll leave it at that.
01:27:57 Former Celtic.
01:27:58 - I'll tell everybody what happened.
01:28:00 Max Struis hit a half court shot
01:28:01 to win the game for Cleveland.
01:28:04 - Former Celtic, Max Struis.
01:28:06 - Buzzer beater.
01:28:08 - Half court.
01:28:08 - Dallas on Friday, Golden State.
01:28:11 Golden State is always fun with Draymond Green.
01:28:13 And he's, I'll tell you this, you know what I can't take?
01:28:17 I'm already pre-anxious about it.
01:28:21 And absolutely just mind numbing,
01:28:26 lost to Golden State.
01:28:28 Every single feeling we've ever felt.
01:28:32 - The boogeyman is back.
01:28:33 - Everything we said today.
01:28:35 - Any good thing we've said about this team.
01:28:38 - Chris Paul is back too.
01:28:40 - I will unsay all of it
01:28:42 if they lose to Golden State on Sunday.
01:28:43 I will overreact to that loss like nothing ever before.
01:28:47 - Klay drops 22 off the bench.
01:28:51 I am going to overreact like crazy to that game.
01:28:53 - And you know the day game, fellas, so that just spices it.
01:28:56 - Yeah, and it has upset potential.
01:28:59 - Potential.
01:29:00 - And you know what?
01:29:02 I don't think you can rule them out
01:29:03 from making the finals again.
01:29:04 I don't know how I'm back here.
01:29:08 - I was just gonna say, I don't see 'em.
01:29:10 Yeah, I don't see 'em there.
01:29:11 I see only saving grace if the Celtics lose to them
01:29:13 is that you probably won't see 'em again.
01:29:15 - They can make that run, Bobby.
01:29:18 They can make that run to the finals.
01:29:19 - They can never rule them out.
01:29:21 - You can't do it, John.
01:29:23 - They have to get past some really good teams.
01:29:25 - I picked them in the finals in my preseason,
01:29:29 in my predictions.
01:29:30 - Yeah, but--
01:29:31 - Celtics Warriors.
01:29:33 - Nuggets, Timberwolves, Clippers.
01:29:35 - Remember the 2012 Celtics?
01:29:37 - Yeah, I do.
01:29:38 - Remember the 2012 Celtics?
01:29:39 They were not good,
01:29:41 but they just figured out ways to keep getting through games.
01:29:45 - They nearly got back to the finals.
01:29:46 - They had heart.
01:29:48 - And they still have courage.
01:29:49 They still have green.
01:29:51 - There's a lot of good teams out there.
01:29:55 - Brandon Bass was a bucky.
01:29:57 That reminds me of Brandon Bass.
01:29:58 - I don't wanna deal with them, that's all I'm saying.
01:30:01 - That would be a great rematch.
01:30:04 - As Charles Brockley said, they won't be there.
01:30:07 - Yeah, have fun in the play-in.
01:30:08 - You know what I don't wanna see, John,
01:30:12 real quick on Sunday?
01:30:13 I don't wanna see buddy, buddy,
01:30:15 I don't wanna see buddy, buddy Celtics Warriors stuff.
01:30:18 I just don't wanna see it.
01:30:20 - Oh, you mean Tatum and Draymond?
01:30:22 - It would be killer.
01:30:23 - Especially Brown.
01:30:25 - Buddy, buddy, Brown, Tatum.
01:30:26 - Especially Brown and Draymond.
01:30:27 He stepped on your balls and you didn't do anything about it.
01:30:32 Don't go there and dap it up.
01:30:34 Like, get serious here.
01:30:36 And you know what?
01:30:37 Get frigging X-Man into this freaking game.
01:30:41 - Unleash the X.
01:30:42 - And have him get in Green's face and see what happens.
01:30:48 - I want X-Man out there on Sunday.
01:30:50 - Yeah, I don't wanna see this.
01:30:52 I don't wanna see this again.
01:30:54 And we don't need--
01:30:55 - Buddy, buddy, kissing and hugging on the court.
01:30:57 I don't wanna see that.
01:30:58 They aren't your friends.
01:30:59 - I mean, Cornett picked up two quick fouls.
01:31:01 I wouldn't shop with the X-Man.
01:31:02 - And this is true.
01:31:04 Draymond's been buttering these guys up
01:31:05 about how awesome they are.
01:31:07 And then he's gonna come in
01:31:08 and he's gonna rip their throats out.
01:31:09 You know, like--
01:31:10 - That's the mind game he plays.
01:31:12 Yeah, man, spot on, spot on.
01:31:14 This is the message they wanna send.
01:31:15 So, Golden State, this is like,
01:31:17 by far the biggest game of the season, I feel like.
01:31:19 You know, they're that type of team
01:31:20 that they need to win like this
01:31:22 to sort of get them, get that momentum.
01:31:24 - Yeah, they need something.
01:31:25 - That loss up there was bad.
01:31:28 - Oh, yeah. - In the air.
01:31:30 - That was--
01:31:30 - This is when, this is like a hockey game
01:31:32 when you call up your goon
01:31:35 because you know that they've gotta fight the other goon
01:31:38 on the other team.
01:31:39 And he's only there for one reason.
01:31:41 So, get your goon in there.
01:31:42 - He's coming up from Providence.
01:31:44 Yup, he's on the way up for the game.
01:31:45 - He comes out, takes the helmet off
01:31:47 and just walks right over.
01:31:48 He's like, "We're doing this?"
01:31:49 Yup, and that's what you gotta do.
01:31:51 - 45 seconds into the game, done.
01:31:54 - Yeah.
01:31:55 - Yeah, I like that too. - That's it.
01:31:57 Thank you, I'll go back to Providence now.
01:31:59 Anyway, yeah, thank you guys for hanging out with us.
01:32:03 Celtics 46 and 12, still going strong.
01:32:08 Couple fun games coming up this weekend
01:32:10 which we will be covering. - Nine straight.
01:32:13 - Yes, nine straight wins.
01:32:15 Seven games up on the Cavs in the East.
01:32:17 Could have been more if not for a prayer.
01:32:19 - Strews hitting the prayer.
01:32:21 - Yeah.
01:32:22 - Thank you guys for hanging out.
01:32:24 Thank you for being active in the chat as always.
01:32:26 Always fun.
01:32:27 I know you guys keep the people,
01:32:30 keep everybody engaged in the chat
01:32:32 and keep it going for us.
01:32:34 So, we do appreciate that.
01:32:36 We doing this?
01:32:37 Which one is it?
01:32:37 Are we out of here?
01:32:39 Let's go.
01:32:40 Boom.
01:32:41 - Only he can do it, I'm telling you.
01:32:42 - Nine straight and fireworks.
01:32:44 - Only I can do it.
01:32:46 - Wait, Robins got an outro for us, I think.
01:32:48 - No, he doesn't.
01:32:49 - He said he was gonna work on an outro.
01:32:51 - Man, he had a phenomenal game.
01:32:54 - Phenomenal.
01:32:55 (laughing)
01:32:57 - Poor for doubt, I think it's an option.
01:32:59 (laughing)
01:33:02 - That did not sound like a chair.
01:33:04 - It was a freaking chair.
01:33:06 It does sound like a chair.
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