Longtime WEEI host Mike Mutnansky returns to discuss whether the Patriots know which quarterback they want to draft at No. 3, offer final thoughts on The Dynasty docuseries and answer your mailbag questions. Later, Carlos joins for another mail-fan segment, and Mut and Andrew talk the future of Boston sports media in a YouTube-exclusive "15 off the field" segment.
00:00 - Intro
02:15 - Do the Pats know who they’re drafting?
07:02 - Could the Pats trade down in the draft?
12:45 - Supplementing the offense
15:36 - The Pats have their QB in mind
20:17 - Which QB do you want them to draft?
22:33 - Properly assessing these QB’s
25:09 - The Dynasty takeaways
34:00 - Mailbag
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00:00 - Intro
02:15 - Do the Pats know who they’re drafting?
07:02 - Could the Pats trade down in the draft?
12:45 - Supplementing the offense
15:36 - The Pats have their QB in mind
20:17 - Which QB do you want them to draft?
22:33 - Properly assessing these QB’s
25:09 - The Dynasty takeaways
34:00 - Mailbag
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00:10 Okay, so I promised we did not plan it this way,
00:15 that recording Thursday morning, the dawn of March Madness.
00:19 I'm gonna have the one guest with whom I make a promise every time.
00:22 And this promise I'm not going to keep, that we will limit the UConn talk as
00:26 favorites as reigning national champions.
00:28 Mike McNansky, formerly of EI,
00:30 currently of the world famous Muttstack, almost 3,000 subscribers.
00:35 We are gonna talk UConn, I'm sorry, it's gonna happen.
00:37 I don't know when it's going to happen, but it's gonna come up.
00:39 In the meantime, we have Patriots Talk, the Dynasty, and
00:41 another new segment called 15 Off the Field with my friend and yours.
00:45 Mutt, how are we doing today?
00:47 >> I'm doing good, I need to update those numbers.
00:49 We're over almost 3,500 subscribers now.
00:52 >> Whoa. >> At Muttstack.com,
00:53 thanks to, among others, the Callahan fans out there that have followed along.
00:57 And yeah, it's a great time of year.
01:00 We got college basketball, we have baseball starting next week.
01:03 We have all the draft rumors starting in the NFL.
01:05 So it's a very good time to be a sportsman.
01:07 >> It's a great time to wake up and have it be a Friday, which is generally right.
01:11 Half of those Fridays are probably paydays for you and I at home.
01:14 For me, it's always a Muttstack day because you get insights into sports media,
01:18 the Patriots, the Red Sox.
01:20 And look, it sounds like I'm gassing you up.
01:21 It sounds like I'm pumping your tires because you return here as a guest.
01:25 Though I think you once wrote or texted me that I only call you when I'm
01:28 scraping the bottom of the barrel, which is not true.
01:31 >> True, that's true.
01:31 >> I thoroughly enjoy this.
01:33 I think your writing has gotten appreciably better as you've done this now for
01:37 about a year.
01:38 I did check the subscriber number at the bottom.
01:40 I did not mean to shabby there, almost 3,500.
01:42 Speaks for itself at this point.
01:44 Moving forward though, we're gonna talk a little bit sports media again in
01:49 the 15 off the field segment.
01:51 This is YouTube exclusive.
01:52 If you missed our last episode with Jeff Howe, you will only find that segment
01:56 where we will do a non-Patriots topic with every guest on YouTube.
01:59 Today we are gonna talk Boston sports media with Mutt, who has a keen eye and
02:04 perspective in history with the market as well as where it might be headed next.
02:07 In the meantime, as promised, a little bit of UConn, Patriots,
02:11 the draft, and his final thoughts on the dynasty.
02:14 Okay, so the big question I sent you via email.
02:17 >> Yep.
02:18 >> A month to go until the draft, five weeks if we're being exact.
02:22 Patriots have the number three overall pick.
02:24 Everyone wants to know, who are they gonna take?
02:27 Odds makers still say Jaden Daniels or Drake May.
02:29 I say it'll be Jaden Daniels or Drake May.
02:32 What are the odds that they already know between the two of them,
02:35 who they'll take in your mind?
02:37 >> Very low.
02:39 I think they are going to be in a position where they're gonna be flexible.
02:43 And I don't necessarily love this idea Callahan, but
02:47 I think they're gonna be open for business at three.
02:49 I think that if they have decided that one of these guys is not the guy,
02:54 Daniels or Drake May, and someone comes calling with a massive boatload of picks.
02:59 Everything I've read about Elliott Wolfe, everything I read about his track record,
03:03 suggests that he'll be open to trading that pick.
03:05 So I think right now they're in a position of flexibility.
03:08 Maybe some guys have the leans where they wanna go at quarterback.
03:13 Other guys, but consensus of who they wanna take right now,
03:17 here in late March, March Madness time, I don't get that sense.
03:20 How about you?
03:20 >> So I wanna build a case for and against here today.
03:25 And we'll have more quarterback talk, I should have mentioned in the front end
03:27 with Carlos, another fan who donated to Boston Children's Hospital.
03:30 Thank you, Carlos, in a new segment that we're continuing to recur.
03:33 And we'll discuss with him more Jacoby Preset related.
03:37 The quarterbacks everyone wants to talk about, not Jacoby Preset,
03:39 all due respect of these two.
03:42 The case against them knowing is when we last spoke to Elliot Wolfe at
03:47 the combine, he made the point.
03:49 And what I think was largely a pretty open and honest press conference,
03:52 not entirely, but as much as he can be in that type of situation to say,
03:55 we haven't even met with these quarterbacks yet.
03:58 How would we know definitively who we wanna take if we've never sat in the same
04:01 room as these players?
04:03 Now they've done that there.
04:04 They will next week according to Sports Illustrated to Apple career,
04:07 where Mayo, Wolfe, Alex Van Pelt are gonna go to North Carolina and LSU and meet.
04:12 With both of these quarterbacks and I think whether it's Van Pelt or
04:16 it's Wolfe, even Mayo to a degree, they have an old school approach to this, right?
04:20 Like I wanna get to know you, I wanna see stuff on the board.
04:23 Are you an alpha?
04:24 How do you command a room, etc, etc?
04:26 So to me, it would be hard for them to say we really love Drake May more than
04:29 Jade Daniels.
04:30 If they've not been able to check those boxes that I think are important to them.
04:34 >> And I would say for me just personally of the two,
04:39 I think I started this process as just an observer of these guys play in college.
04:44 Like Drake May is the guy, the Josh Allen comparisons, big arm, mobile.
04:49 As the process has gone on, one of the guys that I follow, Matt Miller,
04:53 NFL Draft Scout, he does some work ESPN as well.
04:56 I mean, his stuff, his stock up on Daniels have been hot and
05:00 he's been way down on Drake May.
05:02 And so I've sort of followed his approach here where I,
05:06 Washington is likely to take a quarterback.
05:08 If Daniels falls to them at the Patriots at three,
05:11 that feels better to me than Drake May at this point.
05:14 Because it does feel like his stock has gone down a little bit.
05:18 And it's a weird group now.
05:19 It feels like with Caleb Williams being the alpha of the quarterbacks,
05:23 the rest of the three, you look around, they sort of feel interchangeable.
05:27 Which is why I do think there's gonna be some flexibility if some team falls in
05:30 love with a quarterback, the Patriots aren't in love with a three.
05:33 I'm not gonna be shocked if they trade them.
05:35 So personally for me, I would lean Daniels if he's there at three.
05:38 And I'm sort of out on Drake May at this point.
05:41 But I think the Patriots are probably still like you said,
05:43 trying to figure that out.
05:44 And you mentioned Elliot Wolfe.
05:46 >> Hold on, fully out on Drake May.
05:49 Mike Benesky right here, March 21st, fully out.
05:52 >> Not no, if it's, yeah, I guess fully out then.
05:56 Yes, I'm fully out on Drake May.
05:59 Fully out on Drake May as of whatever today's date is.
06:02 First day of the NCAA tournament.
06:03 With the right to change my mind, but today I'm out on Drake May and
06:06 I'm in on Jaden Daniels.
06:08 Either way, you mentioned Elliot Wolfe.
06:11 You said he was a very honest press conference.
06:14 I guess you and I have a different version of the word weaponize.
06:17 Because there's been no weaponizing going on with the Patriots office.
06:20 Unless you think KJ Osborne's one huge game he had,
06:22 NFL career is gonna translate to some star wide receiver.
06:25 So I have bone to pick with him about that word and
06:28 that use of that word in that space.
06:30 But it's fascinating.
06:32 I can't wait to see how it plays out.
06:33 But yeah, right now, stock up Daniels, stock down Drake May.
06:36 For me, guy in my basement talking on a camera on a Thursday morning.
06:40 >> Excellent, always an expert, that person, talking politics, sports,
06:44 conspiracy theories, which is more of the last part there.
06:47 Let's go back to the trade part though, cuz that seems to be your primary reason
06:52 for why you think there is a case against this idea that I posed to you.
06:55 Again, how likely is it the Patriots know who they want at number three?
06:59 And I'm gonna build a case for after we finish here.
07:02 But the Vikings threw a ton of coal into that furnace,
07:06 built up this fire when they made a trade up to get a second first round pick from
07:10 the Texans, which most people noted, hey, they already had a first round pick.
07:14 So when you package that 11th overall selection plus 23,
07:17 maybe a future first next year, that gets you into top three, top four territory.
07:23 I would argue that trade is more reflection not of the Patriots situation,
07:28 but the league at large going, yeah, we're in a JJ McCarthy.
07:32 We'll take your JJ McCarthy stock.
07:34 We will even take so much stock, it costs us all these picks to move up and
07:37 make that trade with the Texans.
07:39 I don't agree with that from everything I've watched of JJ McCarthy and
07:42 I'm kind of working my way back here towards the front.
07:45 We're gonna have full episodes dedicated to Jane Daniels and Drake May coming up.
07:48 Does that appeal to you,
07:50 this three first round pick kind of trade personally with the Vikings?
07:53 >> It's the issue, I don't agree with it.
08:00 I still think that premium blue chip player that you can get potentially at three,
08:05 whether it's the quarterback or
08:06 if they think Marvin Harrison Jr is the guy there at three.
08:09 That blue chip player, they're just completely devoid of that on this team.
08:14 Offensively and defensively, they've lost that top level of talent
08:17 through some very tough years of drafting.
08:19 Okay, that's why we're here right now with a 4-13 team who is desperate for talent.
08:24 So I think that blue chip talent is the most important thing.
08:28 And I guess the history would tell you that you're less likely to get that guy,
08:32 the further down you fall in the first round.
08:35 And so I'm saying with my brain tells me that likely they're thinking about
08:39 trading it because some team's going to overpay.
08:42 But on its face, I still want that player at number three.
08:46 I want the most talented guy available, and
08:48 I hope they're able to find that player.
08:51 But I think that there's some buzz that teams are falling in love with these
08:55 quarterbacks, might be willing to overpay.
08:57 And Elliott Wolfe, I think we're realizing now this is not a one year rebuild.
09:01 My big takeaway from these last couple of weeks has been,
09:03 if you thought they were going to be right back at it with a rookie quarterback,
09:06 like a Houston Texans type year, that ain't going to be this year.
09:10 This is a two or three year rebuild, and if he believes that as well,
09:13 he may believe in that value part of the pick.
09:15 So I don't love it, but I don't know,
09:17 I wouldn't bet against it right now if some team wants to overpay.
09:20 >> Okay, so that's where you're landing.
09:22 Personally, you're rooting for the blue chip player quarterback.
09:25 >> I want the player, but my gut tells me it's going to be a very
09:29 Belichickian field to let's accumulate picks.
09:33 >> Okay, certainly was a Belichickian field to free agency, and
09:37 that roster constructions that you hinted on.
09:39 >> Yeah. >> Is the number one reason I think
09:41 they already know who they're going to take their quarterback.
09:45 But let's put a bow on this, because the fact that they wouldn't know, again,
09:49 they're still gathering information.
09:50 >> They don't control, my argument right back would be like,
09:54 they don't control that.
09:56 If say they want one of the guys and he gets taken at two,
09:59 does that not automatically kick in the trade ship?
10:02 Are they going to be in a Mac Jones position where they just take the last
10:05 quarterback available to top three like they did with Mac, the last of the top five?
10:09 If they pick their guy, and I know you're arguing for it, but
10:12 if they pick their guy and that guy's not there, how do you think it plays out?
10:16 >> It's a great question, and look, there are three different options here, right?
10:21 They want Jaden Daniels and Jaden Daniels only.
10:24 They want Drake May and Drake May only.
10:26 And at that point, in either situation, you're just hoping, if this guy falls,
10:30 we're gonna have every reporter that we know, everyone in the DC area,
10:34 the DMV, asking, poking around, seeing what the commanders are gonna do, right?
10:39 The third option is what you just referenced, we're happy with both.
10:43 And there's some evidence to suggest that they are happy enough with both.
10:46 I know there are folks high up in the front office who told my colleague Doug
10:49 Kai they do like all three quarterbacks at the top.
10:51 And we're forgetting Caleb Williams, he's going to the Bears.
10:53 He and Keenan Allen are already hanging out,
10:55 going to Manhattan Beach in LA after his pro day.
10:57 I made that part up, but he was at the pro day, forget about it.
11:01 And I think if you legitimately like both quarterbacks, that's fine.
11:05 I think you understand you'll have to handle each of them differently,
11:07 because they're starkly different players.
11:09 >> Yeah.
11:10 >> I just think here, you probably lean one way or another.
11:15 So again, they're still gathering information.
11:18 It's not gonna be the workout you see on NFL Network, it hyped up all over Twitter.
11:22 My God, look at this row, we did this with Zach Wilson at BYU, lest you forget.
11:26 Basically every quarterback, trivia question.
11:29 Has there been a quarterback with a bad pro day throwing session?
11:33 Like Teddy Bridgewater got a lot of crap, as far as you can remember, obviously.
11:36 For wearing a glove, that was the best we could do from the pro day circuit
11:41 criticism of the throwing workouts, they mean nothing.
11:44 Do you remember anyone?
11:45 >> No, no, it's like every surgery, successful surgery, every pro day.
11:51 Great, great pro day, look great.
11:54 People freaking out about Kayla Williams throwing 60 yard,
11:57 70 yard pass yesterday.
11:58 No, and I think Wolfe is experienced enough that they're not gonna buy into
12:03 the hype of this stuff.
12:04 And like you said, there'll be a second and third and fourth layer to their
12:07 breakdown, but I keep going back to they like both of them.
12:11 I mean, they definitely like one of them better.
12:13 If they like them both the same, I'd suggest that's an issue.
12:17 And I hope they don't settle.
12:19 I hope they don't settle and say, well, the guy we liked better, 70-30 is gone.
12:23 Let's take the other guy.
12:25 And that will lead to a trade I'm not thrilled about.
12:27 But have some conviction with this pick and make a decision on,
12:31 this is the guy, if he's not there, here is our plan.
12:34 And although I'm concerned about that, cuz the plan of the offseason has not been
12:38 great if you're a Patriots fan, so the play on draft night,
12:41 I hope is a little more concise and focused.
12:44 >> Yeah, that reminds me, your point about weaponizing the offense.
12:48 >> Yes, thoroughly underwhelmed.
12:52 I don't think their needs in a way that they absolutely do with the draft,
12:56 receiver, offensive tackle, super deep class of both of those positions.
13:00 For agency, not as much.
13:01 They took a big swing at Calvin Ridley, they missed.
13:03 I'm not giving them credit for a single or even a hit by pitch.
13:07 They're out, Ridley's in Tennessee.
13:09 I just think the ability to weaponize the offense fully and
13:12 for agency was never on the table.
13:14 Hunter Henry was the best tight end.
13:15 They're not adding another running back and when they added, it's just fine.
13:19 It's more of a long term process there.
13:21 The fact that they need and know that they need to do that is separate from,
13:24 we're going to do this in three weeks.
13:25 And even if they did pay for everyone, you'd still go,
13:28 they don't really have a number one receiver, it's Calvin Ridley.
13:30 But it's a fair point because I brought up- >> I agree with you on the Ridley,
13:37 but there's still the fear that this group, like the previous group,
13:41 does not understand you have to pay probably above what,
13:45 I'm sure they set a price for everything.
13:46 We all in life set a price.
13:47 I want to spend this for a pair of sneakers.
13:50 You walk into the New Balance store, it's like, I like these a lot.
13:54 They're more expensive.
13:54 Well, sometimes you have to go above and beyond.
13:57 And I'm not sure this group so far has shown the willingness to do what
14:01 the Belichick group would, which is pay a premium for elite talent.
14:05 I know this topic comes up later on in the famous Andrew Gallihan rundown for
14:09 this show, so I don't want to go crazy on it.
14:11 But if you were fearful that Bill Belichick didn't respect elite offensive
14:14 talent, there is nothing to suggest this group in the first couple of weeks here,
14:18 first month or so, feels any differently as far as I can tell.
14:21 >> You know you're a dad of two when you're making a sneaker analogy and
14:27 the first store you think of is New Balance.
14:29 I'm just gonna leave that with you.
14:30 >> I'm a New Balance guy, I love New Balance.
14:33 You gotta put a pair of dads on, go mow the lawn with the old ones.
14:36 The new ones turn into the lawn mowing ones.
14:38 That's a good day.
14:40 That's a good day.
14:41 I know the big chunky white ones with the solid blue end in the middle await me in
14:45 my future 15, 20 years.
14:46 Just God help me that maybe it's a little bit longer than that.
14:50 Anyway, this has gone off the rails.
14:51 Let's wrap up here as far as the case that they do not know, right?
14:54 Again, they don't know the trade offers as you point out.
14:57 Maybe someone comes in in a couple of weeks.
14:59 It's a godfather offer from Minnesota.
15:01 It's not three first round picks, it's five, and
15:03 you can rent Justin Jefferson for half the season.
15:05 They need to gather more information.
15:07 Again, they'll be at Pro Days next week.
15:08 They will probably have these quarterbacks in for top 30 visits.
15:12 And there's going to be deliberation within the front office.
15:14 These are a lot of college scouts, college scouting directors,
15:18 Elliott Wolfe, obviously Alonzo Highsmith just entered the picture.
15:21 People are going to have differing opinions about who they like better.
15:24 You need to settle, not necessarily on a consensus, but get close to one.
15:28 The fact that they have so many voices in there and people watching tape for
15:30 two very, very good players, okay?
15:32 Liking one versus the other does not mean the other one's bad.
15:35 It's gonna take some time.
15:37 Here is the case, however, for the Patriots know, and
15:41 they're just dotting their I's and they're crossing their T's.
15:44 You ready? >> Okay, ready.
15:45 >> So let's start with the Mass Live report,
15:49 that they know they're going to take a quarterback at three,
15:52 which would indicate either, again, they like one or the other, or
15:54 they like both of them enough.
15:56 At which point, that is built upon at least two years of film study, two for
16:00 Drake May, many more for Jaden Daniels, who obviously developed and
16:03 took this giant leap into a quarterback over the last year.
16:07 >> Yeah, once he transferred, he became a different quarterback, yes.
16:10 >> Right, right, and even honestly, the second year at LSU,
16:13 very different from the first one.
16:14 You could talk about the environment, comfort in the system,
16:17 all that different stuff, but very, very different player.
16:19 The other part about this is how they built.
16:21 Jacoby Brissett is obviously not a long-term starter.
16:26 Obviously, he signed a one-year deal.
16:28 Any freakouts about him need to stop right now.
16:31 The situation around him, not built for rookie quarterback, but
16:34 it is a slow burn to what will be a long-term rebuild,
16:37 saying we're going to take a quarterback.
16:39 And between the two of them, when you look at the size that Drake May has,
16:43 the arm, the ability and willingness to extend plays, a la Jordan Love,
16:48 a la Aaron Rodgers, you wanna even go back to Brett Favre.
16:51 And don't forget Baker Mayfield, who was the most recent quarterback that
16:54 Elliott Wolfe, quote unquote, drafted outside of New England when he had
16:58 a leading voice in a front office.
16:59 He did not have a leading voice when Mack was selected.
17:02 All of these guys create plays, have bigger arms, and a kind of moxie to them.
17:07 Which you might shake your head at, and I would have once upon a time when you think
17:10 about what's important for a quarterback, old school guys like this value that stuff
17:15 a lot, and knowing that Drake May impressed him in the interviews,
17:18 I would bet, at least right now, he has the lead on Jaden Daniels,
17:22 given the history of the front office, given the way that they built so far,
17:26 the reporting that's been out there, that he's got a head start to be their next guy
17:29 if, of course, he's available in number three.
17:32 >> Yeah, it's fair.
17:33 And if that's the case, again, they're in a position where they better figure out
17:37 what Washington's going to do.
17:39 I think we both think they're gonna take a quarterback.
17:42 So their due diligence here on what the commanders are going to do is going to
17:47 put them in a position to be best equipped to either take the guy they wanna take,
17:51 if that's Drake May, he wouldn't be my favorite of the two, I get it.
17:54 If it's not gonna be him, my arguments just don't settle.
17:57 And here's the good thing about the commanders,
18:00 Adam Schefter is tied into them deeply, deeply, deeply.
18:03 We'll know, I think we'll have an idea through Schefter what they're going to do,
18:06 so the Patriots will certainly know if we know in the public what they're gonna do
18:10 it to.
18:10 >> Well, I would tell you if Bill was still around, he would know,
18:15 because he knows Schefter and the two of them have a longstanding relationship and
18:18 that would have been a big help.
18:20 Not to mention the Patriots claim, at least, that they knew Washington would
18:23 take Emmanuel Forbes, which gave them this great confidence to trade back and
18:27 take Christian Gonzalez, who you probably should have traded up for
18:30 instead of trading back.
18:31 Granted, they got them all together, good pick.
18:35 Supposedly, we'll see, great player.
18:37 Moving on, again, I just think at this point in the process,
18:40 there is more information to be gathered.
18:42 The ink is dry and all of the tape, the measurables, all of the scouting, and
18:46 that's not just looking at the tape, it's scouts going to campus, asking around.
18:50 Before last season started, the Patriots were very well aware they might take and
18:54 need to take a quarterback in 2024.
18:57 So this scouting of Drake May and
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20:18 So you already gave this away, the next question,
20:20 which quarterback you want them to draft, you're fully on Jaden Daniels.
20:23 >> Yes, I'd be on Daniels, I like the transformation he made there at LSU,
20:27 I like the accuracy, I like the athleticism, I'm a fan of his.
20:32 And as much as I've sort of bought into the late reporting on Drake May,
20:37 May being hyped up and not really should be included in the top,
20:41 although it's a top one, Caleb's a top one.
20:44 He has the measurables that are close to Josh Allen, but
20:48 they're not quite at the Josh Allen level.
20:51 And I think he's benefited from being sort of compared to Josh Allen in a lot
20:54 of cases.
20:55 That being said, I wouldn't be worried about him because Mitch Trubisky sucked
20:59 out of North Carolina.
20:59 I've heard this terrible commentary.
21:01 >> Thank you. >> Because Drake May went to Chapel Hill
21:03 and Mitch Trubisky sucked, that somehow Drake May is gonna suck.
21:07 It's the dumbest argument ever.
21:08 If you don't wanna like him, that's fine.
21:10 It can't be because the school he went to has recently produced an overrated
21:14 quarterback.
21:14 That is stupid, we should move beyond that.
21:17 That being said, I want the kid from LSU, we'll see if he's there at three.
21:20 >> I'm so glad you said that cuz that came up, I wanna say, at BST last month.
21:25 And it was sparked by a Phil Perrin report that he had talked to an offensive
21:29 coordinator.
21:30 He said, Drake May is the next Mitch Trubisky.
21:32 And this came up and I said, this is what you just said, the dumbest comparison.
21:36 >> Comparison, my God.
21:37 >> Good looking white dude who played the same position at the same school and
21:41 thought, so this offensive coordinator doesn't know what he's talking about.
21:44 As if I could make that judgment on anyone who has one take and
21:48 you just wanna render them a moron.
21:50 Like I would be a moron a billion times over with all the bad takes that I've had
21:54 over the years, not to mention I don't know the identity of this person.
21:57 What I will say though, is that that is a flawed process.
22:00 And the same thing you go for CJ Stroud, should have been a flop because
22:04 Justin Fields hasn't panned out or Dwayne Haskins, RIP, or
22:07 any number of Ohio State quarterbacks, Braxton Miller, you keep going on and on.
22:11 Well, they didn't pan out, why wouldn't this guy?
22:13 Well, they're all different human beings and
22:15 the NFL is a different game to each of them than it was in college.
22:18 Moving on, I am curious though, you mentioned Matt Miller.
22:21 We all have our voices that we trust.
22:23 Sometimes we're spending more time on YouTube or with Game Film or
22:25 with stats or PFF.
22:27 We've never had more information, whether someone else's takes or
22:30 the hard data that's out there.
22:32 It's all very subjective process.
22:34 Where do you like to go to form your opinions?
22:36 Because I think we all echo things that we hear or trust, but
22:41 I'm interested in the process where you land on.
22:44 I think this information is good.
22:45 I think this person is good and that's good enough for me.
22:47 >> I don't know, is there really a guy who's nailed the quarterbacks?
22:52 I'd have to go back and think about it.
22:54 I think- >> Well, they're not in the NFL,
22:55 I can tell you that.
22:56 Because everyone will tell you, inexact science, it's subjective.
23:00 There's no consistent history of doing this.
23:03 It's very difficult, not to mention it's reliant on environment and
23:06 all those things, but continue.
23:08 I think Matt Miller, NFL Draft Scout, who's launched his own,
23:11 had his own publication, is now doing some ESPN stuff.
23:14 As someone I look at, Lance Zerline, based out of Houston, NFL Network.
23:20 If you go back and look at his quarterback analysis and his draft analysis,
23:24 I think maybe he knows someone in Houston, but he's sort of nailed.
23:28 Like the Stroud thing last year, when everyone says Bryce Young,
23:30 I think he really had that.
23:32 So he's someone around draft time that I look at.
23:35 So those two sort of stand out to me, but again, I'm consuming it all.
23:40 I'm just an idiot.
23:41 I want all the information I can, like, wow,
23:43 Caleb Williams threw a football far, I'm watching that.
23:47 Because your team is invested in quarterback, I'm watching all of that.
23:52 But those would be two names that stand out as guys who, this time of year,
23:56 I feel like they have a good sense and good projection of what's gonna happen.
24:01 >> Gotcha, I have my guys, but look, in this position over time-
24:04 >> Well, say your guys then, hold on.
24:06 >> Well, no, here's the thing, because I do my best to steer clear of full on
24:10 scouting reports or draft guides until I've made my own assessments.
24:14 I don't want them to introduce some sort of bias or leaning to my own work,
24:18 same as when I'm doing film breakdowns.
24:20 Like I will sit here at the same stupid desk for ten hours and get up and
24:23 walk around, get a drink and come back and
24:26 then publish it on Monday nights during the season before I go read anybody else's.
24:30 And then I will probably curse because someone else had something else that I
24:33 didn't have, but that's just how the job works when you're working in an incredibly
24:36 competitive field with a lot of smart people.
24:38 And as far as the draft goes, a lot of them are gonna be smarter than me, but
24:41 I will have my definitive takes and analysis on Drake, May and
24:44 Jane Daniels when I finished all of the film study.
24:47 And then, might be swayed here or there, but
24:50 we'll also have some draft experts on this podcast coming up.
24:52 I will say, the folks at the top, Daniel Jeremiah's opinion,
24:58 I think should hold a lot of weight with a lot of people.
25:00 And that's an obvious take, but he's someone who's, I will say mock drafts or
25:04 top 50, I peek at and try to limit it as best I can to that.
25:09 Okay, I wanna get to the Dynasty real quick and
25:12 then we're gonna get to all the mailbag questions here, running them down.
25:15 You wrote about this last week after the release of episode nine and ten.
25:18 I have expressed that I think the most common sentiment,
25:21 which is this is a Belichick hit piece, is not nuanced enough for what it really is.
25:25 But you have spent a lot more time writing about this and
25:29 thinking about it, so why don't you go ahead from here?
25:32 >> And I wanna forget real quick, Greg Cosell, ESPN NFL matchup show,
25:36 when he does the film stuff on Quarterbacks, also really good.
25:39 And Darius Butler from a UConn product for Patriot.
25:41 >> There is a UConn talk.
25:43 What do we give ourselves, like 24 minutes?
25:44 We waited.
25:46 >> I have thoughts on this Auburn matchup on the Sweet 16.
25:50 Yeah, I watched all ten, I wrote about all ten,
25:54 I've consumed the reaction to all ten.
25:57 And I'm actually gonna write about it again on Friday.
25:59 I thought I was done writing about it, Callie, I gotta be honest.
26:02 I'm not done writing about it cuz I have leftover thoughts about the series in
26:06 general and the way it ended, the reaction to it.
26:10 And I will tease this for Friday's Four Pack.
26:12 You said conspiracy theorist earlier.
26:15 I've been workshopping a kind of ridiculous conspiracy theory that I'm
26:19 gonna lay out tomorrow.
26:21 It probably means nothing.
26:22 It's probably the dumbest thing I've ever written.
26:24 It'll be in muttstack.com Friday Four Pack tomorrow.
26:27 Ties in a Belichick and this thing and the timeline of when we found out about
26:32 this and when the reports of Belichick not coming back all sort of came together.
26:37 I'm gonna try to piece it together tomorrow at muttstack.com on Friday.
26:43 >> I'm so excited.
26:43 The dumbest thing you've ever written.
26:44 I want it now.
26:45 I want you to read it aloud.
26:46 I want to do an audio version to listen on my way to pick up my wife at work later
26:51 today.
26:51 So stupid that I didn't even text you about it cuz I want you to read
26:55 the stupidity and it probably means nothing but I'm obsessed with this idea.
27:00 I had somebody who's worked on the Patriots beat text me a question that led
27:05 me down this stupid road.
27:07 That's for tomorrow.
27:07 It was a Belichick hit piece in the sense that it was so
27:14 pro-craft, it just made Belichick look very poorly.
27:18 And I think Bill's insistence not to take part in it hurt this entire thing.
27:23 This is something I'm gonna write about on Friday.
27:25 Maybe Bill sniffed out that this was a bad time for this.
27:29 He saw the sort of writing on the wall of how it was gonna play out.
27:31 Maybe he had issues with the way the film was being made.
27:33 It wasn't NFL films.
27:34 We know Bill is a big NFL films guy.
27:37 This is Matt Hamachick, director to the Tiger documentary.
27:40 This is not NFL films.
27:41 But Bill not being more playful on camera hurt the thing.
27:45 And Kraft being so open about his feeling, Bob Kraft in particular,
27:49 being so open to his feelings on Bill without Bill responding,
27:53 just made it feel very, very one-sided.
27:55 And I went into this, admittedly, as someone who read The Dynasty by
27:59 Jeff Benedict and first finished the book and texted a friend and said,
28:03 this feels like it was written by the Krafts.
28:05 Like it was very pro-Kraft, even that book was.
28:08 So I came into the documentary wanting to be the same.
28:10 I thought it was.
28:11 I thought Bill, if he's more involved, it probably would have helped it out more.
28:15 But at the end of the day,
28:16 the biggest thing is that they just made this thing way too early.
28:21 Like it sat with me for a couple of days now.
28:23 Like did they have to do this now?
28:26 Did they have to do, was it really to help Robert Kraft get in the Hall of Fame?
28:30 Was it because of his, I don't know.
28:33 But this should have been five or ten years down the road.
28:35 Players on the team last summer that were gonna be back for
28:38 this year should not have been interviewed about this.
28:41 It didn't make sense for the entire process.
28:44 It felt rushed, the timing felt weird.
28:46 And as a viewer, Bill Belichick comes across minimized.
28:50 And I think Robert Kraft is propped up by what is reported and
28:53 what's not reported.
28:54 To not include in episode nine and ten, the Brady contract stuff is embarrassing.
28:58 Like you're either not doing your homework or
29:01 you're trying to spin the story a certain way.
29:04 I'm rambling because I've become obsessed with this thing.
29:06 I apologize.
29:07 But if you're a Patriot fan and didn't like it, I totally understand.
29:11 I totally get it.
29:13 >> You and I land in the same place, I think overall, giving it a C plus,
29:17 I think you wrote, and I've said elsewhere.
29:19 And that's because, one, I could not make a better documentary.
29:24 It's easy to go in and criticize this strictly as a viewer.
29:27 But as someone who's in the media and documented the history and
29:30 real time starting in 2018.
29:32 >> Stop, stop, we're not gonna do this thing.
29:34 Radio hosts that you say, I can't question Bill Belichick in football.
29:37 Yes, you can.
29:38 If you're not gonna include Rodney Harrison at all in this thing,
29:41 I can question your filmmaking.
29:42 But go ahead.
29:43 >> The point is the balance of stories that have been advanced as far as they can,
29:49 which was their reason/excuse for not including more in Super Bowls 38 and 39.
29:54 It's fair given how dense this is.
29:56 And a lot of people have made the point of, who is this for?
30:00 My bottom line is this.
30:01 I was bummed because I was obviously excited to relive parts of my childhood,
30:06 upbringing, and share this with my wife as a way to say, hey,
30:09 this is pretty much why I do what I do.
30:12 My love of football, all of the greatest stories that I've ever witnessed in
30:15 sports are going to be here in 10 parts.
30:17 We'll watch this together.
30:18 And the first couple were great, and things went downhill from here.
30:21 And the pro craft flavor is absolutely baked in to all parts of this.
30:27 The point you make about Bill being an unwilling participant,
30:30 though he did sit supposedly for three, three and a half hours,
30:33 means he contributes to the bottom of what this kind of craft propaganda is at
30:37 the bottom.
30:38 He is partially responsible for this, and I've said it before.
30:41 The doom part of his personality, which he got that nickname in the 80s before he
30:45 got to New England, before he became the Patriots head coach,
30:47 was inseparable from the genius.
30:49 This is who he is, right around the building, walking around just as a human
30:53 being, but he could have turned it on here and did not.
30:56 That made it suffer.
30:57 I think the obvious slant, again, some of Kraft's comments about raising why
31:01 Malcolm Butler was banished, I heard it was a personal issue.
31:03 Well, what was it?
31:05 Say it.
31:05 You can't stop there.
31:08 It was altogether disappointing, in addition to eliminating certain parts.
31:12 Where again, it's a difficult time to encapsulate, and that's all I'm saying.
31:18 I'm not saying they're unable to be criticized, or
31:21 that would be unfair to them.
31:22 Absolutely, it would.
31:24 But whole episodes dedicated to Spygate and Deflategate and Aaron Hernandez, and
31:29 then basically Malcolm Butler, there wasn't enough football in there.
31:32 There wasn't enough connective tissue within the storytelling.
31:34 Aside from the stuff they obviously wanted to thread through all these
31:37 episodes, Belichick breaking it at the end, his bad relationship with Brady, and
31:42 Kraft just trying to keep it together as best he could.
31:46 Just trying to keep it together.
31:48 And that was the clear intent, and that was a bummer.
31:51 And I will say, to your point, the argument that I heard Hamachek make on
31:55 the Greg Hill show on WEI, that they exhausted the football's been the three
32:00 games to glory, yet so is Spygate, and you spent an entire episode on that.
32:04 >> Yes. >> And that's been exhausted.
32:05 You wanted to cover certain topics, and I know you don't know Belichick,
32:10 but you've covered him enough, where you're better equipped to answer this than I am.
32:15 Is he going to respond?
32:16 Do we ever get a Belichick rebuttal- >> No.
32:19 >> Via himself, a book, media member, to push back against this?
32:23 Or was the Ernie Adams inclusion,
32:25 was that Bill's pushback against Kraft in this whole thing?
32:29 >> I would bet a large amount of money, an irresponsible amount of money,
32:34 he will have a book one day.
32:36 >> I like that.
32:37 >> Okay, that's going to come.
32:39 The history matters to him, but I think you're right.
32:42 He sniffed out what this was going to be, the intention of it.
32:45 However deep the Kraft's hands were in this, they were in and around it.
32:50 They were going to have more control and say, and
32:52 more fingerprints than Bill ever would.
32:54 So he sat, he participated, but did basically a bare minimum.
32:58 It's like he just condensed all of his press conferences into one sit down with
33:02 the documentarian.
33:03 But Bill will not have the dynasty in context report, right?
33:10 >> [LAUGH] >> That's just not,
33:11 that's not going to happen.
33:12 Because his default, whenever things would come up, and
33:15 it's with people in the team, was just don't react, don't give it any power.
33:20 Don't do anything, let it wash away, because people will forget.
33:23 And honestly, the longer this has gone on, he has looked better and
33:27 better because of how common, again, the take has been that this has been a Bill
33:31 hit piece.
33:32 I will not go as far to say hit piece, because he is partially responsible for
33:35 his own, he is fully responsible for his own behavior and words in this.
33:38 Granted, he didn't have the editorial control, which Devin McCourty and
33:42 Rodney Harrison rightfully complained about.
33:43 Hey, I sat down for five plus hours and all you get me is saying, f him, f him,
33:47 f him, if you're Rodney Harrison.
33:48 Or Devin's only contribution is really slamming Bill for the Trump letter.
33:54 He'll have a book, he won't specifically respond to this.
33:57 And again, C plus, I was bummed, I'm moving on.
34:02 >> Good.
34:03 >> Okay, speaking of moving on, let's do the mailbag.
34:06 Five questions here, and then we're gonna do our separate segment.
34:09 It's YouTube exclusive.
34:10 You wanna hear mutt on what's next in Boston sports media, or the landscape, or
34:13 some whispers and nuggets, which are always in the mud stack.
34:16 Go to our 15 off the field segment,
34:18 which again is only on YouTube and separate from this episode.
34:22 Question number one, Liam says, the focus in the draft will be quarterback,
34:26 offensive tackle, receiver, hopefully.
34:28 Any remaining free agents though that you would like to see the Patriots sign to
34:31 fill out the roster elsewhere?
34:33 >> Can I include trades in this or is that a trade-off?
34:38 >> Sure, I mean, it's not a free agent, but I've got a couple names, so go ahead.
34:42 >> Well, I guess let's look at the same team.
34:43 If the Bengals are going to trade Tee Higgins, the Patriots should be involved.
34:48 He is a borderline one-one-A receiver, big outside receiver.
34:52 They weren't on Mike Williams.
34:55 They weren't in the Keenan Allen trade, which again,
34:58 the reporting on that, I find to believe is crazy.
35:00 They talked to the chargers the day before, didn't ask about Keenan Allen.
35:03 Even to help along for a year, you're shaking your head.
35:06 It didn't happen that way?
35:07 >> No, they checked in on all of their obvious trade candidates, and
35:12 those conversations happened.
35:13 And Doug Kives had the reporting on that, and
35:16 that stands as it was initially reported.
35:18 >> Gotcha, what about Tyler Boyd in Cincinnati?
35:21 So he's a free agent, he's the third guy there.
35:23 I don't know if he's the number one, and
35:24 maybe we're just collecting second and third receivers.
35:28 But when they've had injuries there, where the Chamar Chase has gone down,
35:31 Tee Higgins has gone down, Boyd has stepped in that void and
35:34 been a pretty good receiver there.
35:36 And he's better than KJ Osborne, he's not gonna cost a lot of money.
35:40 So I'm a bit incensed the wide receiver position, because they need to be in
35:44 a position to set up their quarterback.
35:47 Say they take quarterback at three, we think it's gonna happen,
35:50 set them up for success.
35:51 Demario Douglas, Kendrick Bourne, KJ Osborne, Hunter Henry,
35:55 they don't do that.
35:57 They're still short that top end talent, even as a group.
36:01 They're underwhelming, maybe the worst receiving group in the AFC East still,
36:04 with the additions they've made.
36:06 I want a receiver, trade for Tee Higgins, sign Tyler Boyd.
36:10 Those two guys stand out to me.
36:11 I'm not sure other names that might be available in and
36:14 around the draft time to be traded.
36:16 I'd be signing a wide receiver or trading pool.
36:18 >> Poor Liam, Liam wanted to know about every other position except for
36:23 quarterback, receiver, offense, tackle.
36:25 >> No, no, no, I'm sorry, Liam, I'm obsessed, you should be too.
36:30 You watch the NFL, it's about offense now, it's about high end talent,
36:35 wide receivers, mobile quarterbacks, high flying.
36:38 It's not like June Jones run and shoot, but the offense is king now.
36:42 I don't care about anything else.
36:43 Just feed me offense, spoon feed me like applesauce when you're sick as a kid,
36:47 put the medicine in and feed me the offense.
36:50 That's all I care about, that's all she care about.
36:52 Offensive line, nobody cares.
36:53 Defense, nobody cares.
36:55 Special teams, there's a special teams question on this list I saw.
36:58 I don't care, I care about offense, give me a receiver, next question.
37:02 >> So you're happy with the Patriots free agency so far as what you-
37:04 >> No, no, it's the same as always.
37:07 It's, they're 4 and 13 and they're bending over backwards to bring
37:11 back players from a 4 and 13 team.
37:14 No, I don't like, how can you like what they've done so far?
37:17 >> All right, I'm teasing.
37:18 I need to give Liam an answer though.
37:19 And he cited, for example, Justin Simmons, 30 year old safety,
37:23 leads the league in interceptions, I think it's since 2016.
37:26 I like Justin Simmons, I think that would be a fine signing.
37:29 I think he is someone though who's gonna want a naturally top dollar,
37:32 given his production and his resume.
37:34 He'll probably wanna go to a winning team, given his age.
37:36 And so that's gonna be a hard sell.
37:38 Now, I do think the Patriots need a free safety who can work single high,
37:42 where you don't want Jabril Peppers living or
37:44 Kyle Duggar setting up camp for an entire game.
37:46 That said, Levi Wallace, I like he's a backup corner,
37:50 someone who has been around the league.
37:51 They're familiar with a little bit more of his own player.
37:54 Charles Leno Jr. though is number one on my list.
37:56 I guess, I get that I just broke the rule again.
37:59 Liam doesn't wanna talk about offensive tackles.
38:01 You need more depth there.
38:02 You cannot go in with Takuma Okorafor, Mike Nguyen, and
38:08 your fingers crossed Calvin Anderson, Vardarian Lowe, all that.
38:11 In addition to probably late first or early second round pick.
38:14 I just think that's good enough.
38:15 It's not, they need to be better.
38:17 And if they fail to improve that position, going into training camp,
38:21 it's exactly that, it's a failure.
38:24 Next question, similar.
38:26 Sal wants to know, quote, after missing out on their big needs, tackle, receiver,
38:30 and free agency, and no more real options, how about a best player available approach
38:34 to make use of the remaining 15 or 51, not 15 million dollars in cap space?
38:39 Seems like the best for agents left are corner and safety, and
38:42 those are certain secondary needs, no pun intended.
38:45 >> Again, I default to Bermuda wide receiver.
38:50 You get, I don't, is it a high price wide receiver?
38:55 I mean, Braxton Berrios was an all pro pump returner kick returner last year.
38:58 I think he's still available in Miami.
39:00 He'd be at top of my list.
39:01 He's the one that got away.
39:02 >> He just went back.
39:03 >> Well, there you go.
39:04 So cross, let me take this because it's defense.
39:06 You're on the record.
39:07 Don't care. We're moving on.
39:08 We'll keep it quick.
39:09 I mentioned Levi Wallace.
39:10 A lot of folks are gonna bring up Stefan Gilmore.
39:12 He turns 34 in September.
39:14 If the Patriots wanna run a man to man operation here, I think he's only got 12
39:20 to 15, maybe 20 snaps a game in him left in that capacity.
39:25 Obviously, they can play zone, and he's a smart player.
39:27 And he's been building over the last five years a borderline Hall of Fame place.
39:31 I don't think he's going to get there.
39:33 I just think his timeline does not fit here.
39:36 His style of play is just passage prime in that capacity.
39:39 >> You want him next year.
39:40 We both agree this is sort of a transition year for the team.
39:43 They're not really winning.
39:44 >> Well, and they're gonna play young players.
39:46 >> I ask the argument here to bring Christian Gonzalez along and
39:49 show him how a future Hall of Famer works.
39:52 But I don't know.
39:53 Again, wide receiver, please.
39:55 >> Julian Blackman is another name, top of the market, top of the market,
40:00 week two of for agency, safety, been with the Colts.
40:03 He pivoted to being more of a box player over the slot last year, but
40:07 in his first three years in the league, had played more free safety.
40:10 He timed 446 at the combine.
40:12 So again, I don't think that Ross beat is there one misstep and
40:15 you're in trouble as a single high free safety.
40:18 But if you wanna talk about corners, safety is a watch,
40:22 he's got a deserve mention.
40:23 And so yeah, I like it.
40:25 Again, I just I would keep in mind, they're going to play the young players.
40:28 They told us that that's the philosophy, the packer way, all that.
40:32 >> Okay, this is up your alley.
40:34 Adam quote, thought somewhat dove climbing tweeted today about the Patriots
40:38 doing trade for help specifically, your boy T Higgins and Brandon.
40:43 >> Yes, yes and yes, elite offensive talent.
40:48 Now was that who did dove take that tweet from?
40:50 That's the question.
40:51 >> That is a that well, let's stop there because my understanding.
40:55 I've checked this once probably should have doubled back but
40:57 the only fresh quote unquote reporting and this is to dismiss Adam Kaplan,
41:01 who's had a very long, strong career much longer than I have and
41:05 then a lot more reporting that I have around the NFL.
41:07 But for pro football network said, a source told him that the Patriots have
41:11 an obvious need a receiver and they've been looking at top options there.
41:14 Possibly on the trade market.
41:15 A lot of heavy lifting right there, right?
41:19 Yeah, I think the Bengals are gonna keep T Higgins because that's what the
41:21 franchise tag is for.
41:23 Brandon I would be surprised if the Niners want to trade him.
41:26 But if it's a late first round value, or a second and something else,
41:31 I mean, they'd have a lot of competitors first services.
41:35 I would just again take into context.
41:38 It's not a reporter putting that out and it's a report that's.
41:44 >> Yeah, and they're all it's a report from an account that just sort of
41:48 repurpose other people's reports.
41:50 So I'm all for it.
41:51 >> Which is in and of itself kind of an observation, right?
41:55 The Patriots.
41:55 >> Yeah, that's like me.
41:57 So who is that?
41:58 Who is Craig who asked the question?
41:59 Or is it Craig?
42:00 >> Adam.
42:01 >> Adam, it's any elite offensive talent available.
42:05 And I've heard the Justin Jefferson thing.
42:07 I believe just correct me if I'm wrong Callahan.
42:10 He's only got one year left.
42:11 He called like a half year rental for him.
42:13 Obviously he's the top end talent.
42:15 If you could trade for Justin Jefferson.
42:17 You could trade for him and know that he wanted to be here with your quarterback
42:21 at three and he's committed to being here.
42:23 And I mean, in a second, that's what they are lacking, comically lacking.
42:30 So I am all for all this trade.
42:31 I would deal draft picks.
42:34 I would clear cap space, whatever you have to do to get that blue chip elite
42:38 offensive talent.
42:38 I don't believe you can get by with running the football and
42:41 throwing it to Antonio Gibson out of the backfield.
42:43 So yes, bring me all your elite offensive talent.
42:46 >> Would you give up a UConn Huskies first round loss to a 16 seed to make
42:51 that happen?
42:54 >> For Justin Jefferson?
42:55 >> Yeah.
42:56 Eternal shame.
42:58 >> No, I would take a final four loss to Arizona in Phoenix.
43:01 >> Come on, final four loss is a great season.
43:03 >> I don't blame it, it's Arizona in their backyard.
43:05 I'd like to be at the final, so no, I would not do it for first round.
43:09 I'm not gonna lose to, no, no thank you.
43:12 >> I bet you do it for sweet 16 though.
43:14 >> No, no, I wanna see him get to the final.
43:16 I want Hurley at the final four yapping at people.
43:18 That's what I want. >> Good man, good Husky.
43:20 Okay, you're gonna love this question, which is a good one.
43:23 I wanna say on the record, but just not interesting to you.
43:27 All teams will be required to take an international pathway player in 2025.
43:31 This is from Dave.
43:32 Should the Patriots just get ahead of this and sign an international pathway
43:37 kicker in 2024 to compete with Chad Ryland and or
43:40 add to their practice squad for depth?
43:43 Dave, I would say Chad Ryland should have some competition, absolutely,
43:47 in training camp, whether or not they come from Ireland,
43:49 which has this new surge of specialists.
43:52 I don't know if they're competing with Australia, the land of kangaroos and
43:57 hunters who like to take a small jaunt before they boot the ball and
44:00 have it spin in ways that apparently are only possible south of the border.
44:04 But yeah, sure, I would say get ahead of it.
44:07 Jakob Johnson obviously was a big success story for
44:09 them coming as the last player in the roster in 2019.
44:13 Then taking over for James Devlin midway through that season,
44:16 got hurt himself that year but hung around, went to Vegas and got a second contract.
44:19 So yeah, I would say why not?
44:21 If you're going into the program, find a guy who plays a position of need.
44:27 >> Well, you said it all right there.
44:28 What can I add to international kicker talk here on the Callahan podcast?
44:32 >> What country would you want this player to come from?
44:36 You got to pick that.
44:37 >> Well, doesn't Australia, like you said,
44:43 have the history of rugby kickers who come over here?
44:46 >> Yeah, give me something new.
44:47 I would say I want Sebastian Vollmer came from Germany.
44:51 >> Germany, yeah.
44:52 >> Germany only played a few seasons at Houston.
44:54 They take him in the second round of whatever that draft was.
44:57 Everyone's going, what the hell are the Patriots doing?
44:59 Are they that bored with winning?
45:01 They're just gonna pull these German nationals and throw them a right tackle.
45:05 Of course, it works.
45:06 I want a big, burly offensive lineman from somewhere in the Baltics.
45:11 I get that that's not in and around Germany, just somewhere around there.
45:15 Like he could also have a different career path as a part of World's Strongest Man.
45:20 Pluck one of those guys, sign them.
45:22 You need the help at offensive line.
45:23 I just made the case, if it's a position of need,
45:25 you might as well sign them from there.
45:27 There's a guy waiting up there who could bench 800 pounds.
45:30 Sign him.
45:32 >> Yeah, growing up before the Internet, and you kids listening and
45:35 watching don't know this, but you had to watch sports on TV.
45:38 And sometimes you just watched them because they were on.
45:40 They had World's Strongest Man on there.
45:42 So if you're telling me there's a Magnus von Magnus, who's that big and jacked,
45:46 I'm all for it.
45:47 But other than that, I'm allowed to say it now, I don't care.
45:50 I don't care.
45:51 >> Okay, you're gonna like this one.
45:53 Last question, and then we'll get you out of here before again,
45:55 we do the 15 off the field segment.
45:56 Boston Sports Media Talk, YouTube exclusive.
46:00 And Carlos is coming up here on the podcast, YouTube and
46:03 on any audio streams wherever you find your podcast.
46:05 This is from Kurt.
46:07 Kurt wants to know, if this season is not going to be super competitive, and
46:10 I have to watch more Jacoby Percet than I prefer, dot, dot, dot.
46:15 But Andrew, any good new beer suggestions or
46:18 breweries to help me along the way?
46:22 >> It's not necessarily new, but I live in the Chelmsford, Lowell, Tingsboro area.
46:28 In the last year or so, they've created, you can make a day out of this.
46:33 So these are all three local places, and I'm gonna add in a bonus pizza place.
46:39 I'm gonna tie this all together.
46:40 But just off route three now, you can start at Joni's Pizza,
46:43 which Dave Portnoy famously graded nine something.
46:46 And it's got the best pizza in the area, okay?
46:48 And then from there, Navigation Brewing, downtown Chelmsford, just open.
46:53 Beautiful new downtown spot.
46:55 Chelmsford as a downtown needs to be refurbished anyway, but
46:58 Navigation Downtown.
46:59 Then right up the road, route four, is a small place called Monast Roots.
47:02 New place just moved from Tingsboro, like North Chelmsford, Tingsboro area.
47:06 And then you can cap it off with Epigram,
47:08 which is right near the Pheasant Lane Mall.
47:10 So went from having zero breweries in this middle sex area,
47:13 to having three in the span of a year, plus an amazing pizza place.
47:16 You can make a day out of it.
47:18 That's what I'd suggest.
47:19 Put the wife and kids in the car, say we're going for a ride.
47:22 There you go.
47:22 The little middle sex brewery tour you can do yourself.
47:25 >> That was by far your best answer of any question to the man.
47:30 >> [LAUGH] >> For the end,
47:33 it had nothing to do with football or the Patriots.
47:36 God love you.
47:36 I have two.
47:38 One, you will always hear me say this.
47:39 They've been great to me, and they have tremendous beer.
47:42 And they get very creative with the chances they wanna take and try.
47:46 They've been incredibly successful.
47:47 They have a new brick and mortar out in Plymouth, Vitamin C, Vitamin S, E, A.
47:51 Get down to Vitamin C if you ever have a time of the minute, or
47:55 wanna come to what will be a pre-draft event coming up next month.
47:58 >> Nice.
47:59 >> Yes, the second one I would suggest, and I've actually never been there.
48:03 But in going to Portland, this was actually 2020, for
48:08 a weekend with my now wife, bounced around a bunch of breweries.
48:12 Liked a lot, didn't really fall in love.
48:14 And the last stop we went was a, I wanna say a beer store that had a small bar
48:18 inside, and you got to pick, obviously.
48:21 So I was like, okay, I'll have something I haven't had before.
48:24 Epiphany by Foundation is a main IPA.
48:28 It is delicious.
48:29 So if you ever have a chance and you like IPAs, again,
48:31 we're a couple months away from that.
48:33 Pick up an Epiphany by Foundation, or go visit them in Portland.
48:37 Because that is still one of the tastiest beers I've ever had, second to Vitamin C
48:41 and some stuff from Trillium where you can find me here and there around the city.
48:46 But that's what we got.
48:48 All right. >> I tried to give the reader something
48:51 different, and you gave them Portland,
48:53 which is the greatest beer city in the country, so.
48:56 >> I gave them Weymouth, now Plymouth.
48:58 Yes, Portland.
49:00 And where else is Trillium?
49:03 Yeah, Trillium's about around Cannon.
49:04 >> There, yes, they are.
49:06 >> Yeah, okay.
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