After their latest loss, Andrew dives into why it's time for the 1-5 Patriots to begin trading away pieces and then his film notes from Pats-Raiders, including a few bright spots. Later, he answers seven mailbag questions on Bill Belichick, his potential successors, Robert Kraft and more.
EPISODE TIMELINE:
0:00 Teaser
0:35 Intro
1:30 Why it's time to SELL
6:00 Sell candidates
11:32 The Good vs the Raiders
15:10 The Bad headlined by Mac Jones
16:45 DeVante Parker drop and comments postgame
17:45 More bad
23:45 What would NFL films say
25:15 Mailbag/Therapy Session
27:50 College QBs
31:10 What to use cap space on?
34:30 Can Ownership intervene?
35:50 Best trade candidates
36:50 Trade Trent Brown?
38:30 What will Kraft do after Bill
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0:35 Intro
1:30 Why it's time to SELL
6:00 Sell candidates
11:32 The Good vs the Raiders
15:10 The Bad headlined by Mac Jones
16:45 DeVante Parker drop and comments postgame
17:45 More bad
23:45 What would NFL films say
25:15 Mailbag/Therapy Session
27:50 College QBs
31:10 What to use cap space on?
34:30 Can Ownership intervene?
35:50 Best trade candidates
36:50 Trade Trent Brown?
38:30 What will Kraft do after Bill
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00:00 You are a highly paid NFL wide receiver.
00:03 You were for stretches this summer, the number one wide receiver.
00:07 And right there in that play,
00:09 in those comments to the media afterward, you were a zero.
00:12 That's what Devontae Parker was. Incredibly lame.
00:14 And in texting with a couple of people within the team,
00:17 they actually weren't that surprised, OK, about Devontae Parker.
00:22 I don't know what that says.
00:23 It doesn't seem great to me, but he's catching a lot of flack right now.
00:28 And deservedly so.
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00:34 OK, a little secret between me and you.
00:39 Most nights before bed, I will sit down with the same small notebook
00:44 and jot down a few things, and the headline is always the same.
00:47 What is tomorrow about?
00:50 It mostly looks like a to do list, right?
00:53 You're working. It's busy season. Football's going on.
00:55 But it's more of the point of what do I need to focus on tomorrow?
00:59 What do I need to spend time with?
01:00 Is it family? Is it the Herald?
01:02 Is it this podcast?
01:03 Patsy DeFerrits brought to you by FanDuel, the exclusive wedgerig partner
01:06 of the CLNS Media Network.
01:07 Is it preparing for TV?
01:08 What is tomorrow about?
01:10 Captured in a few words so that I can remind myself
01:12 if new things come up or things start to get hectic.
01:15 So when I'm writing my column off of yesterday's game,
01:19 Sunday, Patriots lose 21-17 to the Raiders.
01:22 They fall to one and five.
01:23 I ask myself, what is this game about?
01:26 Because what this season was supposed to be about
01:30 is no longer a play, in my opinion.
01:33 And so what I landed on is that that game was about the end of the season.
01:38 Time of death. One minute, 47 seconds remaining.
01:41 Mac Jones laying flat on his back in the end zone, taking a safety
01:45 that sealed the win for the Raiders.
01:47 Cause of death? Bad offensive line.
01:49 Bad Mac. Terrible roster building.
01:51 We've covered it all for weeks.
01:52 We're going to go over some of it today because you have a lot of mailback
01:54 questions.
01:55 But the bottom line is there's no coming back from this for the Patriots.
01:58 It's time to move on to the future.
02:01 And if you disagree, let's go down the reasons because I was wrong.
02:04 I was one of these people that thought this season was going to be about
02:07 all of this.
02:08 The Patriots proving people wrong, exceeding
02:11 their seven and a half win total before the season.
02:14 God, I am sorry if I lost you a ton of money on that.
02:16 OK, but it's not about winning anymore.
02:19 And one of five, your playoff hopes are shot.
02:21 Kaput, they have been moved to a farm upstate.
02:23 OK, is this about finding Max potential?
02:26 Even the proudest and loudest Max Ellis out there.
02:30 Cannot believe that we'll learn anything about Mac Jones
02:33 the rest of the season behind this offensive line in the biggest doubters.
02:36 I mean, they already they already put in their papers, right?
02:39 Like the defense is rested on that.
02:41 Max stinks.
02:42 He has committed just an unfathomable, unacceptable errors
02:46 in the last couple of games.
02:47 He only started on Sunday.
02:49 I can report because that be stinks worse.
02:51 Will Greer still is a U-Haul in his driveway,
02:53 and they don't trust Malik Cunningham to throw.
02:55 OK, bottom line is he hasn't been good enough.
02:58 And even if he was a little bit better and we saw more of the Mac
03:02 like we did in weeks one and two,
03:03 when he also threw an interception in both those games,
03:05 his offensive line is not getting any better.
03:07 He's a pocket bound point guard who right now is getting blitzed
03:10 in every single play and can't distribute the ball to any kind of shooter
03:13 because they have none on this team.
03:15 OK, is this season about Belichick?
03:17 Is it about Bill O'Brien resetting their careers
03:20 or the course of this franchise or chasing a wins record?
03:23 Again, I don't think so, because between the two of them,
03:26 who do you trust more right now?
03:29 Hazen O'Brien, his offense is second worst in the league
03:33 at passing and running, according to EPA.
03:37 Belichick's defense, meanwhile, has given up an opening
03:41 drive score in four to the last six games.
03:43 And of course, it's down two of its best players.
03:46 OK, it's not going to look great, but the Patriots have been down
03:49 by double digits in the first half of every single game,
03:53 except for wins over the Cardinals.
03:56 And that might be a game against the Jets
04:00 dating back to last Thanksgiving.
04:02 Next Thanksgiving is about a month away.
04:04 OK, so with all of that considered and all the sadness that you have,
04:09 the season is now about the future.
04:11 And that's why I say it is absolutely unequivocally
04:15 without any more doubts.
04:17 Time to sell.
04:18 Kendrick Bourne gone.
04:20 Joshua J. Find him a new home.
04:22 Jalen Mills upset with his playing time.
04:24 He could find a lot more just going back to Philadelphia
04:26 and playing more corner or safety or whatever they want. OK.
04:29 The Patriots should start trading their assets as we're two weeks
04:33 out from the trade deadline because they're not being Buffalo
04:36 and they're not being Miami.
04:37 And they'll have a chance now to set this market and get what they want,
04:41 as opposed to reacting to another team striking first, maybe like the Raiders
04:44 under Renfro is on the block.
04:46 And that guy's got a bigger salary than Kendrick Bourne.
04:48 But if Hunter Renfro only goes for a seventh round pick,
04:52 a guy who's made a pro bowl,
04:53 you're probably not getting a whole lot more for Kendrick Bourne.
04:55 This is the least explosive offense in the NFL.
04:59 Again, your defense is racked with injuries.
05:00 I don't blame them for losing Matt Judah or Christian Gonzalez
05:03 or dealing with this offense that is just an absolute weight on them,
05:06 dragging them to the bottom of the ocean that seems to be bottomless
05:10 because they just keep sinking further and further.
05:12 And I don't get any joy in this for the record, for the people in the back
05:16 sticking a middle finger down at their side.
05:18 All right. Like my life after Thanksgiving, I realized today
05:21 is going to be a lot of mock drafts and more of mocking the offense.
05:25 That's not fun.
05:27 OK, that's not interesting.
05:29 I want what you want in a different way.
05:31 Good football along the way.
05:33 OK, you want the result, the win.
05:35 My feelings are independent, win or lose.
05:37 But of course, I want to see good football.
05:39 I want unpredictable. I want interesting.
05:42 OK, we haven't gotten any of that.
05:43 And I don't think we're getting any of it moving forward.
05:45 But for the best interest of the Patriots franchise to give themselves
05:48 their best chance moving forward, starting in twenty twenty four and twenty
05:51 twenty five, when they already have the most cap space in the league
05:54 as it stands today, both those offseasons, they should start offloading assets
05:59 like Bourne, Uche, Mills and maybe others.
06:01 And assets, to be clear, are very low in this roster.
06:05 All right. But these are players.
06:08 Who are either unlikely to return, might be in contract here.
06:10 All three of those players I just listed are in contract.
06:13 They play premium positions like Bourne and receiver Josh Uche as a pass rusher.
06:17 They're players that you think you could stoke a bidding war for.
06:21 And they're players that are at least kind of playing well.
06:23 OK, you cannot go out there and sell Hunter Henry right now to anyone
06:27 coming off of a career worse season when he caught one pass for seven yards
06:32 on Sunday and his numbers have completely nosedived since week two.
06:35 OK, Farrell Brown is having bigger impact as a receiver right now
06:39 than Hunter Henry, considering his cap number second highest on the team
06:43 or highest on the offense.
06:45 You're not you're not moving him out.
06:46 Not to mention he's a captain.
06:48 If they want to retain part of the locker room, you retain Hunter Henry.
06:50 And you look at Uche, OK?
06:54 I mean, actually, let's start with Bourne.
06:56 Bourne was number one on the list of the comment I wrote on Sunday.
06:58 A player who had 10 catches on 11 targets for 89 yards.
07:02 He got the ball seven times in a 13 play stretch
07:05 in that fourth quarter against Vegas.
07:07 OK, this was playing with one dude who can actually dribble, shoot
07:11 and pass a high school basketball team who was scoring every other bucket.
07:14 That was Kendrick Bourne with Devante Parker
07:17 sideline for stretches by Jalen Rager.
07:19 OK, Hunter Henry was banged up.
07:21 They just kept feeding Kendrick, feeding Kendrick, feeding Kendrick.
07:24 And he got things done.
07:25 You are selling high right now in that player, a guy playing out
07:28 a team friendly contract who can play inside and out,
07:30 who leads the team of receptions receiving yards.
07:32 It's time for the team leading touchdowns.
07:34 OK, that's a guy you offload now.
07:37 Sell high. Uche, first game for him all season without a pressure.
07:41 Here's the thing.
07:43 Any smart front office looks at him,
07:45 a 25 year old pass rusher and goes, he's still got something
07:50 that most players don't.
07:51 And by that, I mean he entered Sunday with one of the 15 highest win
07:56 rates among edge rushers in the NFL ahead of TJ Watt
08:00 and ahead of Khalil Mack, OK, according to Pro Football Focus.
08:05 So the problem in New England is he can't see the field.
08:07 He's playing about 38% of the snaps right now.
08:10 A career high. It's not due to health.
08:12 It's due to the fact that Belichick goes, OK, if you're going to play in the edge,
08:15 you got to be able to set that edge for us on early downs against the run.
08:19 And the Raiders ran right out.
08:21 OK, on the left side, on their first drive.
08:23 And he didn't play again on early downs for the rest of the game.
08:26 It was a holding penalty that brought it back, but it was a long run.
08:29 You get the point.
08:30 OK, Uche is a third down specialist in New England.
08:33 That's all he'll be.
08:34 They're not going to pay him like a defensive end
08:36 who gets the sack numbers that he picked up last year.
08:39 Because he doesn't play enough for them, and it's a shame.
08:43 He's got rare, rare talent, and you can fill those 38% of the snaps.
08:47 OK, with a bit player or call somebody else up.
08:49 Judon might even be back in December.
08:51 But right now, he's looking like a guy more and more
08:54 that will be out of town come March.
08:56 Make it happen in October.
08:58 Like Bourne, I would expect maybe a fifth, maybe a pick swap
09:02 that can get you something that you can parlay into something more
09:05 or at least help expedite the rebuild.
09:07 Jalen Mills isn't going to get that.
09:08 But again, veteran and contract year, cheap contract can play multiple stops.
09:13 He's in known spots. He's a known commodity.
09:16 These are the type of players that you're looking at and saying
09:19 they can help us expedite a rebuild because they won't be here next year
09:22 or they're not good enough to stick around in 2024.
09:26 I won't want to be here.
09:27 So you might as well offload them now.
09:29 This Patriots season is over.
09:32 It's about the future, and that sucks.
09:34 But the reality is the faster you can get back to being good
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11:32 OK, let's do the good, the bad.
11:34 What would NFL film say?
11:35 We need to talk.
11:36 Mailbag and get out of here.
11:38 The good Kendrick Bourne already said it.
11:40 Ten catches.
11:41 Love targets. Eight or nine yards.
11:43 He was a beast. He broke tackles three more than anyone else on the roster.
11:47 And is a guy you can just trust.
11:50 Can I trust was the word of Patriots training camp?
11:52 That's a guy I trust.
11:53 It's certainly not going to be Devante Parker more than him in a little bit.
11:56 Jabril Peppers, I think with that hit on Devante Adams,
12:00 pop the ball up, Raiders second or third drive
12:03 resulted in interception for Jelani to buy Patriots first turnover since week two.
12:08 I think that shook the sphere all the way across town.
12:11 That was an old school badass.
12:15 Rodney Harrison was smiling somewhere.
12:17 Kind of fit. OK.
12:18 And not only did Peppers spark the first turnover for the Patriots
12:21 since I think Vietnam,
12:23 it was against the Dolphins, Chris Gonzalez.
12:25 We all remember he had a pass break up on the last drive
12:28 that helped force the Raiders to punt.
12:30 He had a hurry as a blitzer and a run stuff.
12:33 OK, this dude was everywhere.
12:35 He's playing the best football of his career.
12:37 He is not an asset because I think his reputation around the league
12:40 is still sullied by the fact that he was mostly a special teamer with the Giants.
12:43 Before that busted out with the Browns, everyone would.
12:45 They didn't win a game a year, but he was also 28.
12:49 And I was finding a home here is on a good deal.
12:51 Players like that you want to keep, especially if Duggar leaves.
12:54 I mentioned Jelani to buy catches a lot of flack on Twitter and the fan base
12:59 not only had the interception, but when Keon White left in the first quarter,
13:03 they had basically no one to play the edge again.
13:05 They're not letting Josh Uche do it.
13:07 Anthony Jennings is already up because Matt Judon is hurt.
13:10 So they start to buy out there.
13:11 And you know what?
13:12 He did a damn good job because he had a quarterback hit.
13:16 He helped limit Josh Jacobs to three point one yards per carry.
13:20 And the game plan for Josh McDaniels is twofold.
13:22 You know, through big personnel, multiple tight ends and or six offensive linemen,
13:26 they were taking deep shots on first down.
13:29 And the Patriots did a good job of protecting against that.
13:32 Only one big first down game.
13:34 It was a 21 yarder from where to Devante Adams in the third quarter.
13:36 But aside from that, they were running more toss plays.
13:39 I think you might see in any game for the rest of the year.
13:41 And Jelani Devay, along with others, helped limit those
13:44 to just four point one yards per carry.
13:46 So there was one run that got through.
13:49 I think it was outside zone in the second half.
13:50 But otherwise, they stopped one of the best running backs in the league.
13:54 Granted, working behind a not so great offensive line,
13:56 but their best players are tackles.
13:58 OK, there, Munford and Jermaine Illuminor.
14:00 Devay helped negate that at a position that's really not natural for him.
14:04 In addition to the quarterback hit as a pass rusher
14:06 and collecting that interception off the camera.
14:08 Good game from him.
14:09 Running game. Much better.
14:12 Yeah, we had a touchdown.
14:13 The Patriots offense scored a touchdown.
14:16 Ezekiel Elliott direct snap.
14:18 Little single wing offense.
14:19 Welcome back.
14:20 One of the few snaps from Lee Cunningham.
14:22 He ran with good power, great pad level.
14:25 And the Patriots got back to their running game with some counter stuff.
14:29 We talked about this all last year.
14:31 There's nothing inherently bad about zone blocking.
14:34 It's only when your roster, your talent is not suited for zone blocking.
14:38 Like the Patriots are not.
14:39 This is a heavy line.
14:41 Six foot eight.
14:42 Three hundred and eighty pound.
14:43 Trent Brown, Antonio Maffi next to him.
14:45 Tips and scales at 330.
14:47 OK, Sidney Stout was playing tackle.
14:49 Not because he's small and fleet of foot like a typical guard in his own scheme.
14:53 It's because he's a big freaking dude. OK.
14:56 So they ran a couple of counter plays, just overall better running game.
15:00 I thought they should have gone more to again.
15:02 We'll get to that in a little bit.
15:04 On to the bad.
15:05 Mack Jones.
15:08 Again, if you're framing this conversation about the Patriots offense,
15:11 31st in the league at passing and running, as is.
15:15 It's not Max fall.
15:17 It's Bill O'Brien in the offensive line or it is Max fall.
15:20 It's not so much in the offensive line.
15:21 You are wrong.
15:22 The blame belongs with everybody.
15:24 The bleep, as I've said, has hit the fan and everybody is wearing it.
15:28 Mack Jones has not been good enough in most of the Patriots games this season.
15:32 Full stop.
15:33 And that included Sunday.
15:35 OK, same problems for him.
15:37 He got rid of the ball in two point two seconds on average from snap to throw.
15:41 It's a good idea.
15:42 Offensive line stinks when he did not do that, however, he panicked
15:47 court pro football focus.
15:49 Mack held the ball for over two and a half seconds.
15:51 He was four of nine for thirty five yards in an interception.
15:55 You can't do it. Just throw it away.
15:58 We said on the last podcast, a throwaway for Mac Jones in this game
16:01 was a good play.
16:02 More than that, under pressure, which he did not see a whole lot of,
16:05 just about 21 percent of his drop backs.
16:07 That's one out of every five. That's not bad.
16:10 He was two of five with three sacks in the pick.
16:13 You can't do that.
16:16 OK, throw in the delay game penalty and the near pick
16:21 that we saw in the fourth quarter that went to tie Montgomery,
16:23 but really should have gone to Roberts Blaine.
16:25 And it was a bad game for him.
16:27 Now he threw one of the best balls I've ever seen him throw
16:30 to Devonte Parker, who dropped it.
16:32 And we've already mentioned Parker twice.
16:33 So let's get to him. That's not Max's fault.
16:35 The offense aligned penalties at the start were not Max's fault.
16:38 OK, but we can separate.
16:39 We can isolate his play from everybody else's.
16:43 And when you have them in each hand and you go, where's the good?
16:47 It's not anywhere.
16:48 You're holding a bunch of crap in both hands.
16:50 That's how the Patriots offense has been. Again, it's everywhere.
16:52 Parker, one catch, three targets, seven yards, one lame ass
16:57 comment after the game saying, I don't know.
17:00 It hit my fingertips on the deep ball that he dropped a perfect pass
17:06 that split a trailing corner and a converging safety.
17:10 And he let it go.
17:12 You are this team's big play threat.
17:14 OK, you are a highly paid NFL wide receiver.
17:18 You were for stretches this summer the number one wide receiver.
17:22 And right there in that play and in those comments to the media afterward,
17:25 you were a zero.
17:27 That's what Devante Parker was incredibly lame.
17:29 And in texting with a couple of people within the team,
17:32 they actually weren't that surprised.
17:35 OK, about Devante Parker.
17:37 I don't know what that says.
17:38 It doesn't seem great to me, but he's catching a lot of flack right now.
17:42 And deservedly so.
17:44 Same for the offensive line.
17:46 But Teddy Breschke probably put this best
17:48 today and get up when he said that when you have four penalties,
17:53 OK, to start the game and then at the end.
17:55 Bill's message is not getting through
17:58 because those are basic fundamental errors that the Patriots used to
18:02 not only not commit, but watch their opponents commit
18:05 and just sit back and let them implode.
18:08 And that's what the Patriots are doing now.
18:10 You want a false start on the first week in play from scrimmage.
18:13 Then Trent Brown goes too far outfield on a screen.
18:17 And then on the last drive, Tony Maffi holding penalty
18:21 drive before that city south false start when you are the doorstep
18:24 of the end zone, they got in thanks to a Max Crosby penalty.
18:26 But this is an offensive line that allowed pressure again, just 21% of the time.
18:31 That's pretty good.
18:32 Mac did a lot of the work getting the ball out.
18:34 Very accurate day for him, by the way, and 84% adjust the completion percentage.
18:39 He's take away the throw is take away the spikes, take away the whatever.
18:41 And he needed to deliver the ball.
18:44 He did it.
18:45 But this offensive line had just a couple of run stuffs allowed.
18:49 Not that much pressure, and it still did too much damage to this offense
18:53 to give it a shot.
18:55 Speaking of doing damage to the offense.
18:57 No, Brian, what are we doing?
19:02 Despite facing one of the NFL's worst run defenses by every single metric.
19:05 And look, if you're if you're upset, if I'm if I'm
19:08 triggering you in any sort of way, totally get it.
19:11 Skip to the mailbag.
19:12 We're going to talk about a lot of big picture stuff coming up.
19:15 Because it's just it's just frustrating.
19:17 Again, this offense went from dead last and passing and rushing
19:19 to 31st after this game, and you can be excited and you should be excited
19:22 about the touchdowns.
19:23 Well, let's not pretend watching this game.
19:25 Anyone had any sure belief that Mac Jones was going to drive
19:28 the length of the field for his second career fourth quarter comeback.
19:31 It just wasn't going to happen.
19:32 That's the four point difference was not representative of the game.
19:36 And part of that was Bill O'Brien's fault.
19:38 As I said, one of the worst run defenses in the entire league
19:41 is across the line of scrimmage.
19:44 OK, what does Bill O'Brien do?
19:45 Well, the first half he calls passes on 75 percent of the first downplays.
19:51 The Patriots had now it's a small sample.
19:53 They didn't have many possessions.
19:54 You know what those first downplays did for the entirety of the game?
19:57 They gained two and a half yards per play.
20:01 Meanwhile, running the ball, which the Patriots did on four straight
20:05 first downplays to start the second half.
20:08 And those four plays gained 36 yards.
20:11 The Patriots averaged six point one yards per play on first down,
20:15 when they ran it.
20:16 What a shock.
20:18 What a I can't believe it.
20:20 The Raiders stink at run defense.
20:22 And when you run on them, you might chug, as the Patriots did
20:25 to your first touchdown drive since late September.
20:28 OK, but they finished with a 65 percent pass rate on first down.
20:32 And this was not a score that got out of control.
20:34 Again, they took their sweet time in the fourth quarter,
20:37 got down for another touchdown, a rushing touchdown, by the way,
20:39 from Rondri Stevenson.
20:41 But when you more than double your average game on first down,
20:45 running the ball instead of passing in your pass rate
20:49 is basically double your running rate.
20:51 There's something wrong there with the play calling.
20:54 You can't have it.
20:55 Not to mention their their passing plan from 11 personnel, three receivers,
20:59 one running back, one tight end was dreadful because they averaged
21:01 three point one yards per play from those spread sets
21:04 to sacks, including the safety and a pick.
21:08 But we need to talk the segment in place of game balls
21:13 because we don't hand those out after losses in this segment.
21:17 We save it for the pass rush
21:20 because it's officially time to throw up the red flag.
21:25 Sound off the alarms on a mat, chewed on this pass rush.
21:30 And again, it's not a surprise you lose your best player,
21:33 you lose your best pressure pass rusher, a guy who's made four straight
21:36 Pro Bowls that things drop off.
21:38 But the last three weeks, this defense hasn't cracked a 25
21:42 percent pressure rate.
21:44 OK, and Sunday's 21.2 percent pressure rate was their lowest of the season.
21:48 OK, you can't possibly have that.
21:51 And the plan was pretty simple.
21:53 Third down, a lot of interior blitzing.
21:55 Sometimes they would bluff.
21:56 You see John Bentley or Kyle Duggar hang over the center.
21:59 Sometimes it was over the guard.
22:01 This generates one on one matchups across the board.
22:03 And they'll read the turn of the center, meaning he knows
22:07 he's either going to go left or right.
22:09 OK, and then the other player who's watching this rushes
22:13 when he doesn't have the guard or the center turn to him.
22:15 OK, because there's an open spot.
22:17 He's turned to block the other player who then pops out.
22:19 This is called the rain check.
22:21 OK, the center turns left and you're to the left and you're faking this blitz.
22:24 You back out. OK.
22:26 And the other guy goes, the Raiders are ready for this.
22:29 Jimmy Garoppolo, just like Matt Jones, dribbles down his leg against pressure.
22:34 He didn't do this against the blitz.
22:35 He was three of five for over 50 yards.
22:38 And there was the pick, which maybe should have been a fumble.
22:40 I don't know.
22:41 Thanks to the dribble, Pepper said.
22:44 But they were ready for it.
22:45 Zero sacks for the Patriots, and they couldn't get to him.
22:49 The only player with multiple hurries actually was John Bentley.
22:52 Multiple pressures, I should say, you two quarterback hits.
22:55 Dribble Peppers mentioned at a hurry.
22:57 Anthony Jennings, hurry to my gotcha, hurry.
22:59 And Jelani to buy quarterback hit into team.
23:02 Hurry is a lot of blitzes.
23:03 It's just everyone kind of gets close.
23:05 You can see he's flustered.
23:06 But Jimmy got the ball out.
23:07 And so did Brian Hoyer.
23:08 Brian Hoyer is a little worse at it.
23:10 But when you're blitzing, as the Patriots did last week against the Saints
23:13 and not getting home except for a coverage sack.
23:16 And this week without you, Don, you're not getting home with a four man rush
23:19 or blitzing.
23:20 It's an issue.
23:22 So some of it's going to be scheme, but it's not going to get any easier
23:26 against two teams that know you just as well as Josh McDaniels did
23:29 coming up in Buffalo and Miami.
23:31 OK, what would NFL film say?
23:35 Last week, I said NFL films to get a call from Robert Kraft,
23:38 who said scrap this documentary, send it into the trash, bury it in the ocean,
23:42 dump it in the mash for the party fans out there.
23:45 We'll do this quickly.
23:49 They're going to play up the McDaniels and Bill Belichick angle
23:52 in this fictitious hour long documentary in the Patriots season.
23:54 You'll see Jimmy to Jacoby little revenge game there for him.
23:58 If you didn't read my report about how that went down, it was very different
24:00 from how Bill Belichick described it on Wednesday.
24:02 You can find that the Boston Herald dot com.
24:04 Then we get to Chad Ryland, 43, 48 yard field goal right down the middle
24:09 and just streak.
24:11 OK, 79 answered points for the Patriots allowed dating back to week four.
24:15 Done. Thirty nine or whatever drives the score over.
24:19 OK, they're on the board and you get a shot of the sideline.
24:23 Some relief, but still they go on a halftime down 13 to three.
24:26 Get the ball the second half.
24:28 You just get the Patriots unleashing their frustration on line scrimmage.
24:32 Again, for first down runs consecutively, 36 yards.
24:36 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
24:37 OK, the Elliott gets a touchdown.
24:39 Another friend, Brian Hoyer, comes in.
24:41 It's a big play to Trey Tucker.
24:43 Go back and forth. Tight game.
24:44 Yada, yada.
24:45 The defense gets a stop and then the same old problems crop up.
24:48 And you see the Parker drop in slow motion way too many times.
24:51 And I know you want at home and then Mac gets sacked
24:54 in the quick exit press conference, and that's it.
24:57 And the Patriots are forced to go back home or hopefully they.
25:00 Yeah, the narrator surely throws in a like a home cooking
25:04 kind of cliche line somewhere in there just to soften the blow.
25:07 But again, one in one in five is is one of them.
25:09 All right, on to the mailbag slash therapy session.
25:15 Love you to relax here at the couch that again, you can still not see
25:18 for the folks in YouTube to actually cover their clothes, by the way.
25:20 So if you are going to come on the couch, please, please fold them for me.
25:23 The Boston GM.
25:26 Well, this guy, I would not want your mentions or DM's Boston GM.
25:31 He says, quote, Let's assume the season progresses to a five or six
25:36 win finish line and Bill is wholly removed from the organization.
25:39 Do you think he could one get a head coaching job elsewhere?
25:42 Or number two, negotiate his current setup as both head coach
25:46 and autonomous personnel czar elsewhere?
25:48 Yes. And yes, because here's the thing about Bill Belichick.
25:53 Everyone and everyone in New England right now thinks either he should be gone
25:57 or is on his way out or is at least close to it.
26:01 OK, even those people with in Bill, we trust still somewhere on a sign in their house.
26:05 And everyone outside New England sees it to the same degree.
26:11 Just a just a little bit less.
26:14 OK, they remember more the 20 years, the greatest run in NFL history.
26:18 And except for those folks who just love Tom Brady and want to get to that
26:21 garbage binary argument of Bill or Tom, who was more responsible,
26:25 they both did it and happened.
26:26 They couldn't have done it without the other.
26:27 And that's just the truth.
26:28 I think you look at a team like the Panthers, who have never known anything
26:32 except for a trip to the Super Bowl in 2015 with Cam.
26:35 And before that, 2003, of course, against the Patriots
26:38 and David Tepper's pockets as the owner bottomless.
26:41 And you go, let's get him in here or the Chargers.
26:44 I mean, what do you have to lose when you have Brandon Staley,
26:49 who's already on the hot seat out there, a GM and Tom Selesco,
26:51 who's probably riding shotgun with him?
26:54 You bring in Bill Belichick, if you're a Chargers or Panthers fan,
26:58 oh, my God, you are celebrating.
26:59 We can't hear you because it's you and like five of your friends.
27:02 But yes, I think Bill absolutely could get a job else where the question is,
27:06 does Bill Belichick, greatest coach of all time,
27:09 want to go coach the Carolina Panthers?
27:12 Does he want to go leave New England?
27:14 OK, as someone who's on the record saying that head coaches,
27:17 you know, need some kind of connection to their geography.
27:20 Otherwise you'll get kicked out.
27:22 You know, he thinks there needs to be a fit personally or in a background sense
27:26 just from from an attitude.
27:28 I'm being totally honest.
27:30 Does he think he fits in L.A.?
27:31 I know I don't.
27:33 But he might disagree because it's hard to see Bill
27:36 taking football out of his life or football being ripped from his life
27:39 if he still is willing and capable of working.
27:42 You know, we're, of course, insane hours down in Foxboro.
27:44 So, again, yes and yes.
27:47 Dave is asking, we know that Caleb Williams and Drake
27:50 May are currently the two big name college quarterbacks coming out of the draft.
27:53 But are there others that could emerge as potential franchise prospects?
27:57 And what are your thoughts on Shadur Sanders?
27:58 Thanks, Shadur Sanders, of course, son of Deion Sanders,
28:01 playing out there in Colorado, shout out to the Buffs.
28:03 So let's start with Caleb Williams, because, you know,
28:08 he's the biggest name out there.
28:10 He's getting the generational prospect label from anonymous scouts
28:14 and, you know, from the little I've seen, which has not been much.
28:18 I think he could absolutely live up to that.
28:20 We're, of course, going to hit the period in February or March
28:22 where the anonymous scouts also start to trash this player
28:26 because we get bored and draft season is too long.
28:28 And the nonsense starts to come out is just kind of a contrarian take.
28:31 But I don't think wherever the Patriots land,
28:35 unless they do get to number one, which I don't think is going to happen,
28:38 that they'll be able to land Caleb Williams, because right now
28:41 the Bears are slated to have the top two picks because they own the Panthers pick
28:45 and the Panthers don't have a win.
28:47 And even if the Bears are just behind the Patriots,
28:51 unless the Patriots are number one, they're going to have more ammo
28:54 in any kind of trade to go up to get Caleb Williams with the number one
28:57 overall pick.
28:58 And that's assuming it's not the Cardinals
29:00 who are going to want a new quarterback or any other team in that range.
29:03 So I if I'm a Patriots fan, you can dream about Caleb Williams.
29:07 And he's dreaming.
29:09 But I would start to forget about him and start to think maybe more about Drake
29:12 from North Carolina or as Dave really wanted to know,
29:15 JJ McCarthy is someone who has my eye.
29:18 He's going to get the label of playing a pro style offense
29:20 gone through certain progressions coached by Jim Harbaugh
29:23 because it had the natural talent, it seems.
29:26 But, you know, he's a name that's out there.
29:28 Shoulder Sanders, I think you want to see more of just because the variance
29:31 and I mean, Colorado's entire season has been so high.
29:33 Once you get beyond those guys, and I know I'm missing one,
29:36 it seems a little shaky.
29:39 I don't want to speak too much more because I just haven't studied their tape.
29:42 But something tells me I will get the chance to do that
29:44 in December, January and February.
29:46 And we'll have everything more here on the pods.
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30:57 All right. Liam is asking, quote, I am at least optimistic about the off season.
31:02 Should Rob Mio be the new head coach?
31:04 Any early thoughts on offensive coaching?
31:06 Keep O'Brien, hire somebody else.
31:08 Boy, Liam has a lot of questions.
31:09 What positions would you spend the over one hundred million dollars in cap space?
31:13 Which positions do you draft?
31:14 So the answer to each of these questions is really it depends, which is lame.
31:20 But the best answer we can give here again, Monday, October 16th.
31:24 The optimism about the offseason, I think you should have, because let's say
31:29 in a scenario that I think most fans don't want to see right now,
31:32 Belichick sticks around.
31:34 He's going to spend again.
31:35 OK, I think the reticence or the reluctance to keep I keep flipping reluctance
31:39 and reticence, don't don't do this at home, kids.
31:41 The reluctance to spend the last two years, my sense is tied to the big spending
31:46 spree of twenty twenty one, which we all know for the most part, like most giant
31:50 spending sprees in free agency, bust it out.
31:52 John Smith, Nelson Aguilar, on and on and on.
31:55 But the thing is, the cupboard is about just as bare as it was in twenty twenty.
31:59 So whether it's Belichick or anybody else, I think they are going to spend.
32:02 Hence, optimism should drive.
32:04 May will be the new head coach.
32:05 He should absolutely get an interview.
32:06 Again, people inside the organization have shared with me
32:10 they fully believe he will be the next guy.
32:12 But if this goes further south than even we expect, again, someone
32:17 who was a Boston GM throughout a five or six win season,
32:20 let's say this is four and 13.
32:21 How can you pick from the rubble caused by a Belichick letter organization,
32:26 someone that came up under him and is still here for this four and 13
32:30 to suddenly lead the Patriots out of the darkness?
32:32 It's a hard sell.
32:33 And yet it doesn't matter what I think or selling the fan base,
32:37 because Kraft hired Belichick once as someone who was not seen
32:41 as a hot shot candidate.
32:42 He was a grumpy retread from Cleveland and crafted it anyway.
32:46 So I don't know whether John Mayo should be the head coach.
32:50 I think his best case is that the Patriots somehow turn this around.
32:53 Their defense is indisputably, you know, top five at worst, top
32:56 ten by the end of the year.
32:58 And they finish seven and ten or six and eleven.
33:00 As far as the offensive coaching, I don't see a reason to keep Bill O'Brien around.
33:04 I don't think Bill O'Brien has much to work with, frankly,
33:07 and even maybe a tiny bit more than Adrian Clem does.
33:11 But none of the things that I saw in training camp that gave me confidence
33:15 to tell you, take the over, take the over, take the over, have transpired.
33:18 He's curved his playbook a little bit.
33:21 The ways that they're not using or didn't use to Mario Douglas
33:23 prior to his concussion were underwhelming.
33:26 Mack again is panicking under pressure.
33:28 He's the same player that we've seen dating back to the end of the 2021 season.
33:32 Say for that
33:32 50 to 10 win over the Jaguars, which thank God for the Jaguars,
33:37 because otherwise we'd really be talking about now two full years of bad to so
33:40 so Mac. So I don't see it spending 100 million dollars in cap space.
33:44 Offensive line just just
33:45 don't make the same mistake you did last year.
33:49 It's really that simple.
33:50 Big time wide receivers.
33:51 Yes. You would also consider a wide receiver because we just ran down
33:54 some of the quarterback prospects.
33:57 Marvin Harris Jr. is a dude for Ohio State,
34:00 and there's a Florida State receiver that's coming up.
34:03 Keon, I think his first name, Keon Coleman.
34:05 This is where I stop because I should really just text
34:08 the friend of the pod, Alex Barth,
34:09 who's been able to watch a lot more college football than I have this spring
34:12 this fall, losing my mind already.
34:14 But anyway, you can find receivers at the top.
34:17 They can be impactful.
34:18 So spend the offensive line draft, whomever is the best, ideally quarterback.
34:23 But receiver, there's going to be a good crop here.
34:25 I think a lot of depth behind those two guys at the top.
34:27 The key on comments really going to bug me for the rest of the night.
34:30 Anyway, Pat's fan.
34:33 He is asking, does Pat's ownership have the ability to avoid any trades
34:38 or contract extensions under this regime between now and the end of the season?
34:41 If Belichick tries to extend another Dolphins reject like a sickie,
34:45 Mike is just catching strays here in the pod.
34:48 Can Kraft intervene in the deal?
34:50 Yes and yes.
34:52 Kraft can do whatever the heck he wants.
34:54 It's his money. It's his team.
34:56 He's empowered the head coach last GM for 20 plus years
34:59 because that was his decision.
35:00 And he knows when you hire good people, it's best to let them
35:04 do their jobs and be empowered.
35:06 Last three years, of course, would tell you otherwise,
35:10 because the Patriots record now is something like twenty six and thirty one
35:13 over that span.
35:15 But ultimately, if he doesn't want to pony up an extra couple
35:18 million for Mike Sikki, he doesn't have to do it.
35:20 It's his money. They have all the power in the world.
35:22 I don't think it's generally wise for owners to get involved.
35:24 The track record is not good.
35:27 But in this instance, if you really wanted to.
35:29 Yes, absolutely.
35:30 And Belichick wanted to either buy or sell at the deadline.
35:33 I think that's something, too.
35:35 He would have to get by Kraft because, again, Kraft's the boss.
35:38 It's his team. It's his money.
35:41 And if it's his players, Belichick wants to trade for future assets
35:44 that needs to go through the headman.
35:48 Two more, three more.
35:49 Sorry, Matt.
35:51 Question, anyone you suspect of being moved at the deadline?
35:54 Look, I threw him out.
35:55 Number one, for a reason, I think he's a good asset.
35:58 And we know I know last year the team got calls about Kendrick Bourne.
36:02 Jeff, how other friend of the podcast from The Athletic reported
36:05 the Patriots got calls at the beginning of this season.
36:08 I think of all the players in the roster, he would be most likely to be dealt.
36:12 So I would be surprised.
36:14 If Kendrick Bourne is still on the Patriots roster on November
36:18 1st, the day after the NFL trade deadline, because it's not only how well
36:21 he's playing and he's entering it, he's in a contract here.
36:24 But you have DeMario Douglas and Taekwon Thornton behind him.
36:27 And Keishon Booty, professional, healthy scratch.
36:30 Keishon Booty, who can't see the field again because he couldn't get one
36:34 toe down, is lingering.
36:36 You can give those snaps to them.
36:38 See what you have.
36:39 If Thornton's a bust, we'll find out by the end of the year.
36:41 But only if you play him and you can only play him.
36:43 The guy like Kendrick Bourne, who I think would get a fifth or sixth round pick
36:47 is is out the door.
36:49 Little just left it at that, asking, quote, with the trade deadline coming up,
36:53 who's the most valuable piece that they can trade away for decent compensation?
36:55 He mentions Boren, Trent Brown, Hunter Henry.
36:58 Again, maybe you're just a glutton for punishment.
37:02 I don't want to see what the NFL's worst offensive line looks like
37:05 when you take away its most talented player and only functioning
37:09 starting caliber tackle and Trent Brown, who someone in another front office
37:13 told me no one but the Patriots wants to pay every year.
37:16 And that's why he keeps coming back.
37:18 So, again, born who?
37:21 You can get to the Jalen Mills conversation.
37:24 Adrian Phillips is in there.
37:25 I suppose you could trade Ramond Ray Stephenson, but I think you probably want
37:28 to hold on to the only player in your offense that, again, I say it all the time,
37:33 keeps opposing defensive coordinators up at night.
37:36 Then you get into the conversation about, you know, Christian Barmore.
37:41 You know, there's just not much here, guys.
37:45 And it's a bummer.
37:46 That's why you need the draft picks.
37:47 You need the assets.
37:48 You need the capital to move up, to get those players or take on large contracts
37:53 in for agency in a deal when teams are trying to get under the cap,
37:56 like the Saints and the Chargers, who are way over, you know, and say, OK,
38:00 we'll give you a seven for Keenan Allen, because really this is a salary dump.
38:04 That's just a ridiculous example.
38:06 But it's the point to say you can get good players with big deals for very little
38:10 because those teams need to get under the cap and can't unless they trade them
38:14 or cut them.
38:15 But of course, trading is a little bit better.
38:16 And so you're able to give a little bit in return.
38:18 But you can't ship out those picks
38:20 if you don't have enough of them to be able to suffer that blow
38:23 because you deal enough late round picks and then you're just left with four or five.
38:25 And no rebuilding team should want to have just four or five draft picks in any year.
38:30 Hans, quote, if Belichick gets fired, do you think Robert Craft will hire someone
38:35 just to oversee personnel and who doesn't report to the head coach?
38:39 This is a very good question, because
38:42 we know Robert Craft started with Bill Parcells,
38:47 moved on to Pete Carroll, decided he didn't like the Pete Carroll experience
38:52 as it was back in late 1990s.
38:53 Pete's been much more successful, we all know, and then pivoted back to Belichick,
38:57 whom he empowered, unlike those who had coaches with full control and personnel.
39:02 Which is a long way of saying.
39:07 It's been a long time since Robert Craft had to make this decision,
39:10 and I would think if it was, let's say, Gerard Mayo.
39:13 He would not have full control because he is someone who,
39:17 yes, played in the league a long time.
39:19 Yes, very smart guy, charismatic.
39:21 We've talked about it, did so last week with James White,
39:23 but only started coaching in 2019.
39:26 OK, so that's a guy who's still green
39:29 when it comes to just being on the sidelines, leading meetings
39:34 and a football team.
39:36 He is super green when it comes to personnel, inner workings
39:40 and front office decisions and those dynamics and handling agents
39:43 and calls and everything like that.
39:44 So I think what they would find is a pair, much like the Raiders had
39:47 and Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler, who came in from the same organization,
39:51 knew each other well, were aligned in their goals and their purpose
39:54 and their philosophy.
39:55 It could be a pair from the outside, but this is not going to be,
39:58 I think, hire one person and then another.
40:02 Like they'll both report to Craft, but they're going to have to be aligned
40:05 in this kind of sense, because you would think of it's,
40:08 you know, I'll put it this way.
40:10 They both report to Craft because Craft is their boss.
40:12 Right. But there's not going to be a setup like you've seen in Cleveland
40:16 and other places where the person who left, who is left standing.
40:21 Good example, actually, is Brian Flores down in Miami.
40:24 He and Chris Greer are fighting for their own job security.
40:29 And so it behooves them when things go bad to blame the other one.
40:34 And this was something I had heard once.
40:36 I don't report it. I'm not reporting it now.
40:38 I'm just sharing it with you as an example.
40:40 But at the end.
40:42 Someone told me that Brian Flores gave owner Steven Ross an ultimatum.
40:45 It's either him or it's me.
40:46 And you don't want that if you're in New England.
40:48 Of course, Brian Flores lost that.
40:50 He lost his job, if that's true.
40:51 I don't know that for a fact, but.
40:53 Craft won't want that.
40:56 Craft knows that's not best.
40:58 You want a streamlined organization.
40:59 Maybe the head coach reports to the GM.
41:01 Maybe they both report to Craft, but they're going to have to be aligned.
41:04 Because he's been aligned with Bill Belichick this entire time.
41:07 And that relationship, that stability.
41:09 Has been a big reason, perhaps the most underrated reason
41:14 for the Patriots success all of this year, Craft wants to win.
41:17 He is willing to spend until maybe recently or maybe it's Bill.
41:20 But the bottom line is they always did what they thought was best
41:24 and discussed it.
41:25 And those conversations are going to be super difficult
41:28 here in the next couple of weeks.
41:29 I don't know how they're going to go.
41:30 Adam Schefter said they don't know how they're going to go.
41:32 But as far as the next head coach, his conversations with them.
41:35 I'm sure the GM is in the room and everyone is on board in the same way
41:39 that Belichick has been with Craft as a head coach and GM last 20, 24 years.
41:43 So I hope that made sense.
41:45 It is late. I am off to go do TV.
41:48 Thank you for riding along here.
41:49 I think this sounded like one of the angrier podcasts we've done.
41:52 But the point is, guys, and I again get zero pleasure from saying this.
41:56 The Patriots season, as we expected, as I previewed, as I projected, is over.
42:02 That's one of five.
42:03 This is all very new territory and the nine point underdogs already against
42:07 Buffalo and then go down to Miami after that.
42:09 And then it's a trade deadline.
42:10 The trade deadline is what the next two weeks are about.
42:12 The rest of the season, in my opinion, are about what happens after that
42:16 in the future and setting up for 2024 and 2025.
42:19 But let's hope they surprise us.
42:20 They get a win over a good team, whether it's the next two or later down the road.
42:24 Then they go to Germany. That'll be fun. That'll be interesting.
42:26 And we will be bringing you all of the football and the interesting here
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