Taylor Kyles from CLNS Media is joined by Jarrett Bailey of USA Today, A to Z Sports, Behind the Steel Curtain, and The Pump Fake to break down Drake Maye, Ja'Lynn Polk, and Javon Baker!
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00:10 What's going on everyone?
00:19 Taylor Koss here for CLNS Media coming at you with another episode of
00:22 Pat's Daily brought to you by our good friends at PrizePix and GameTime.
00:27 Today we're continuing our look at the Patriots draft class trying to get some
00:30 more perspectives on how the Patriots did and how these guys could potentially
00:34 contribute and today I've got one of my good buddies, Jared Bailey here of USA Today,
00:40 A to Z Sports, Deputy Editor of Behind the Steel Curtain and
00:43 host of the Pump Fake for Believe Network.
00:46 Man, you are a pretty busy fella.
00:49 Jared, thank you so much for stopping by, buddy.
00:51 How you doing?
00:51 And welcome to the show.
00:53 >> Man, I appreciate you having me.
00:54 You just hopped on the Pump Fake last week talking about the AFC East.
00:58 So yeah, it's good to run it back on your channel talking about some Patriots stuff.
01:02 So appreciate the invite.
01:04 >> Hell yeah, brother.
01:05 All right, so I don't expect you to have like complete knowledge of the Patriots
01:09 draft class, like you gotta got a little deep in the weeds,
01:11 especially with some of those offensive line picks.
01:13 So we'll really stick with the Patriots offensive weapons in this podcast.
01:17 Drake May, Jalen Polk, and Jay Vaughn Baker, three guys who I really do think,
01:21 we'll see about Drake May, I'm curious your thoughts there.
01:24 But the receivers, I feel like are guys who can contribute pretty early.
01:27 So before we get into each of these guys specifically, from an overall standpoint,
01:31 how did you feel about the additions to England made after saying they were gonna
01:34 weaponize the offense, but then having kind of a quiet for agency as it came to
01:38 going outside of the organization and bringing guys in?
01:41 >> Yeah, I mean, as a Patriots fan, if you are a Patriots fan, I'm a Steelers fan.
01:46 But from the outside looking in, it's very clear that they have a proof of
01:52 concept in mind, a vision in mind of what they wanna do.
01:54 And that's, look, this is year one of a brand new era with Gerard Mayo in charge,
02:00 Elliot Wolf being the general manager of sorts, and a new offense with Alex Van Pelt.
02:05 And you brought up prioritizing, bringing in more weapons offensively.
02:11 They did that by bringing in two guys in the draft, and
02:14 Jalen Polk and Javon Baker, as well as Drake May.
02:17 So I think that they recognize that, okay, this is year one,
02:21 let's lay this foundation, let's set our new quarterback up for
02:26 success with two guys who are gonna ride this wave with him for
02:31 the foreseeable future.
02:33 Cuz going into the offseason, I mean,
02:35 there wasn't too many weapons that they had offensively.
02:38 Pop Dog has had his moments and whatnot, Juju Smith-Schuster is fine.
02:44 But they didn't really have any guys who can stretch the field,
02:48 who can be looked at as potential, legit number one weapons, or
02:53 legit downfield weapons.
02:55 So I love how they address the draft,
02:57 I really like how they've addressed this offseason overall.
03:00 I did my game by game picks, I do two of those a year.
03:06 One the night of the schedule release, and then one the week of week one.
03:10 And I wrote for USA Today saying, hey, they might only win six,
03:13 seven games maybe, but they're gonna be a fun six win team that isn't just gonna
03:17 roll over every week.
03:18 This is a team, especially if Drake May comes into his own, which I told you,
03:22 he's my favorite quarterback in this draft class, and
03:24 I think he has the highest ceiling.
03:25 But even if it doesn't come to fruition in year one,
03:29 that's no reason to panic.
03:30 As long as they see progression week by week, and
03:33 it's evident that they have a dude in May,
03:36 then that's all you can ask for in year one of this.
03:39 But I like the way that they've gone about addressing their needs.
03:43 >> Your breakdown of what the Patriots could look like,
03:45 a team that's still gonna be fun even if they only win seven games.
03:48 >> Yeah. >> It's pretty much year zero.
03:49 I think fans understand the expectation shouldn't be set too high.
03:53 But even going back to last season,
03:54 this is a defense that has a lot of continuity from 2023.
03:57 And had this team in almost every single one of their games.
04:00 Obviously, the Cowboys game and the Saints game definitely got away from them.
04:04 You could even say the Miami game, where it was competitive before the fourth
04:07 quarter, and then things kind of went off the rails.
04:09 But this is a defense that makes you think they're probably gonna be in it in
04:12 the fourth quarter going forward as well.
04:15 If you can just get off in special teams,
04:17 happens to be with my cat all the time.
04:19 Don't worry, this is a very pet friendly show.
04:22 But this is a team where the offensive special teams are just average,
04:25 or not offensive, or they're not actively hurting you with turnovers and
04:28 negative plays and things like that.
04:30 You can see them squeaking out some victories that may be looking at
04:33 the schedule you might not expect from them.
04:35 And I'm curious because you are coming in from a Steelers perspective,
04:38 you've seen Alex Van Pelt slash Kevin Stefanski's offense.
04:41 >> Yeah. >> Plenty of times,
04:43 obviously hard to differentiate where obviously Stefanski started and
04:47 where Van Pelt began and all that kind of stuff.
04:49 But at the same time, Van Pelt's a guy who's been in a lot of different systems.
04:52 So you think he tried to incorporate at least some of what we saw in Cleveland in
04:56 New England.
04:57 So what are your expectations for what we might see from the Patriots solely based
05:00 on what you saw from him back in Cleveland?
05:03 >> Yeah, I think that it'll be some sort of balance between the F it,
05:07 let it fly with Joe Flacco that we saw down the stretch.
05:11 And a little bit of the Deshaun Watson where he has just looked too weary in
05:16 the offense, where he doesn't wanna take too many chances.
05:18 There's gotta be a happy medium there.
05:19 In terms of the Flacco stuff, it's a little bit of a different mindset because
05:24 Flacco's like, well, I'm near 40, I'm near the end of my career and
05:28 I've got this great defense that if I do make a mistake,
05:30 they'll probably get the ball back for me anyway.
05:32 But I do think that there is a sense of, hey, let's open this up a little bit.
05:37 Let's be explosive because we have a quarterback who can help us do that.
05:41 And in terms of the run game that we're gonna see,
05:45 I think that if you look at the Browns success, they had a lot of success in
05:49 running out of shotguns.
05:50 So I think we're gonna see a little bit more of that incorporated for
05:52 New England.
05:53 And look, it's gonna be a more modern offense.
05:57 Like look, Patriots fans had to suffer through Joe Judge and Matt Patricia.
06:01 And they brought what Bill O'Brien back into the fold as well at some point.
06:05 So I think bringing in Alex Van Pelt here, I think it is a more modern look at
06:10 how to attack defenses in 2024 rather than giving the reins to a special
06:14 teams coordinator and a defensive coordinator to call the offense.
06:17 So I think that there's gonna be a lot of good things to see here.
06:22 And it's going to be, hey, we're gonna attack you over the top.
06:25 We're gonna hit you with some ground game as well.
06:28 But it's going to be more explosive than Patriots fans have been accustomed to
06:32 where, especially with Mac Jones and Bailey Zappi, where it's just very, okay,
06:37 just don't turn the ball over, short completions, little by little.
06:41 And there's still gonna be iterations of that.
06:42 There's hints of West Coast in just about every offense.
06:45 But look, when you got a guy like Drake May, Van Pelt's gonna let him let it fly.
06:50 And if he makes mistakes, which he's gonna do, he's a rookie,
06:55 learn from him and keep refining that arm.
06:58 And we saw a little bit of Jordan Love last year where early on,
07:02 there was some growing pains.
07:04 But once he figured things out, he became one of the best quarterbacks in football.
07:07 So with May, everybody talks about, the mechanics might be a little bit raw.
07:13 Look, man, I will take a guy with raw talent who just needs a little bit
07:17 of polishing over a guy who comes into the league that everybody assumes is like,
07:22 man, he's a very polished product.
07:23 We've seen a handful of guys like that, especially in New England.
07:27 Mac Jones is supposed to be like this quote unquote polished guy that was ready
07:31 to go but has a very low ceiling.
07:33 May has a higher ceiling, a big arm, and
07:36 I think that they're going to look to take advantage of that.
07:39 >> Kind of to put a bow on this Alex Van Pelt conversation real quick.
07:43 When he was fired from Cleveland, I heard some different things.
07:46 There were reports that it was something that came from up top because
07:49 the Browns are paying Deshaun Watson approximately a billion dollars,
07:53 I believe according to over the cap.
07:55 So they got a lot of money tied into a guy who's not very good.
07:58 So there was some speculation that that tied into it where just Alex Van Pelt
08:02 couldn't make him look any better, so they decided to move on.
08:04 I also heard some things about sometimes the offense could be repetitive,
08:07 a bit predictable.
08:08 I feel like the, I think it was a pick six, so
08:10 the interception that they had against the Texans was kind of the poster child for
08:13 that, where you saw in the mic'd up segment, they knew the stick was coming.
08:17 And looking at Van Pelt's playbook, you can see in some of those empty formations,
08:22 it's pretty obvious sometimes what's gonna come.
08:24 So from your perspective, did you think that there was a level of predictability
08:28 where maybe that was something that hurt him?
08:30 Or do you think maybe that was a bit overblown just in the speculation when it
08:33 happened, considering it was a move that may have caught some people off guard?
08:37 >> I think that in terms of it being predictable,
08:39 that more comes with the field of, hey, you gotta remember,
08:41 they didn't have Nick Chubb throughout the entirety of last year.
08:44 So they were going to lean a little bit more into the passing game when you don't
08:47 have one of the best running backs in football to turn to.
08:51 So I think that that might have been a little bit overblown.
08:54 I think that this is more about the Browns than it is about Van Pelt.
08:57 Because again, the offense took off when Flacco took over.
09:01 And as a dude who they brought off the couch in what, like week 12, 13?
09:04 Like late in the season compared to a guy who's now been in the offense going on
09:08 year three, it just hasn't looked good.
09:10 You gave him a bunch of guaranteed money too.
09:12 And that situation when you're paying him that much money and
09:14 he can't really get out of it, who are you gonna let go?
09:16 Are you gonna let go of the quarterback who you're paying the GDP of Cleveland to?
09:21 Or are you gonna let go of the offensive coordinator?
09:25 So they had to make some sort of decision there.
09:27 A lot of people were surprised when they let go of Van Pelt because of the success
09:30 that they had with Flacco down the stretch.
09:32 So I think that any sort of issues with him were,
09:37 I don't know if they're necessarily issues.
09:39 I think the Browns just realized, okay, we can't let go of Deshaun Watson because
09:43 like money wise it would just kill us this season and forward.
09:47 So I think that they were just kind of trapped between a rock and
09:50 a hard place, had to make the decision.
09:52 And again, when you're paying a quarterback that much money,
09:54 you're not gonna let him go until you can find a way out of it.
09:57 So I think it was more something they felt like, yeah, we're kind of trapped and
10:00 have to make some sort of move rather than like, okay, we want to move on from Van Pelt.
10:04 But even then, like Kevin Stefanski, he's kind of the one running the offense per se.
10:09 So it's not as big of a loss, but I do think that the Patriots will
10:15 benefit from that in terms of the Browns trash being the Patriots treasure.
10:21 >> From your lips to the football gods of yours, friends.
10:23 All right, we're gonna move on from the Van Pelt conversation into the actual
10:26 prospects.
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11:34 All right, now let's start with the third overall pick in the draft, Drake May.
11:38 I know Drake, Pogue, and Baker, all guys you scouted.
11:41 You got some notes.
11:42 So let me know what you thought of Drake May as a prospect before we get into some
11:46 of the speculation and how he might look in New England in year one.
11:49 >> Yeah, and I told you last week, I'm not the biggest college football buff.
11:54 I start paying attention to these dudes right around January when I go to Mobile
11:58 for the Senior Bowl.
12:00 But obviously, throughout September, you hear about the top quarterback prospects
12:03 and whatnot, and that was Caleb Williams and Drake May for this year.
12:06 And everything that I saw from May, from January till now,
12:12 a lot of people may like the Herbert comp, and I can see why in terms of just
12:17 how big his arm is, the ability where he just, he knows he can fit balls and
12:22 just about anywhere he wants, phrasing.
12:24 And I think that when it comes to his confidence in those types of situations,
12:31 his ability to just let it fly and make things happen down the field,
12:36 the Herbert stuff, I can see why people make that comparison.
12:38 And again, the biggest knock against him was some of the footwork stuff,
12:42 some of the mechanical stuff.
12:43 But I saw a video from, I think it was OTAs,
12:48 the Patriots started their OTAs- >> Yeah, yesterday.
12:51 >> Yeah, and he was mic'd up throughout it all.
12:53 And just the little things, already how he is as a leader,
12:58 that's definitely not nothing.
13:00 And the way that he conducts himself with his teammates,
13:03 already those are the types of qualities of a franchise quarterback,
13:09 of a star quarterback.
13:10 And so a lot of things when it comes to being the face of a franchise
13:15 extend from being on the field to off the field.
13:17 And so far from what little we've seen of him on the field with the Patriots is,
13:23 it seems that he has that.
13:25 More athletic than people would think, in today's NFL though,
13:30 in today's football really, most quarterbacks are gonna be a little
13:35 bit athletic.
13:36 It's not gonna be pure pocket passers like a Tom Brady who are just gonna stand
13:39 there, maneuver a little bit in the pocket.
13:41 But he's gonna get outside, he's gonna do some crazy throws, and
13:46 be able to move in doing so.
13:47 So when it comes to the prototypical 2024 NFL quarterback,
13:51 if he reaches his full potential, I mean, I think that Drake May is a guy that you
13:56 can look at as somebody you could build in a lab of, hey,
14:00 that's kind of what you want in a guy.
14:02 And like I said, if he comes close to reaching his full potential,
14:05 that's a guy that the Patriots can have under center for the next decade.
14:09 >> And you mentioned the video clips, and I thought those were really exciting.
14:13 Cuz you kinda heard that Drake, I think when you look at the tape,
14:16 you can tell this is a guy who's ahead of what you'd expect for a guy who's 21 years
14:20 old and only started two seasons.
14:22 Like the way he sees the field, the way he attacks coverage,
14:25 how quickly when he's really on, he can get through his reads.
14:28 It's pretty obvious that it's not like he's processing too quickly because he
14:32 doesn't understand, it's more like a repetition kind of thing.
14:34 >> Right. >> Talking to his receivers,
14:36 he's talking about come back to the ball, where he wants to miss,
14:39 all the little details that you'd like to hear from any quarterback.
14:42 And that open line of communication is what makes for great chemistry.
14:45 But he's got a guy, Jacoby Bursette, who you watched, and as you know,
14:49 is plenty capable of starting in an NFL season.
14:52 He's not gonna be a top ten quarterback, but he's a guy who could not lose you
14:56 games and even probably win you a couple when he needs to.
14:59 So with that being said, do you expect Drake May to actually play as a rookie?
15:04 And if so, what do you think the timeline's gonna be?
15:07 Is it gonna be a set date that they try to aim for?
15:09 Or is it really gonna be more of a behind the scenes,
15:11 let's see how this guy's developing?
15:13 >> I mean, I would think that they let him play as a rookie.
15:17 It's much different in today's league than it was 20 years ago when
15:21 the Bengals took Carson Palmer and he didn't play until the second year.
15:24 We see some similarities to that where the Chiefs didn't play Mahomes until
15:29 the final game of his rookie year.
15:31 And he took over and did well, obviously, the Jordan Love situation in Green Bay.
15:34 But more often than not, these guys are expected to play, if not right away,
15:40 at some point during their rookie years.
15:42 And when you have guys come up in today's league where there's a lot of seven on
15:47 sevens throughout high school and the recruiting process through high school,
15:51 it's so much different today than it used to be.
15:53 So I think that guys today are more geared to start right away and
15:58 more prepared to start right away.
16:00 And if they wanna start per set week one and
16:03 wait a little bit till they feel 100% about Drake May, that's fine.
16:06 That's probably smart.
16:07 But I would assume that we see him at some point, man.
16:10 It's okay to look at a quarterback and let him learn on the job,
16:14 let him make mistakes and learn from them.
16:17 Especially when you're a team where you don't have,
16:21 realistically, I don't think the Patriots have Super Bowl aspirations this season.
16:26 So if you're in that situation, hey, we're gonna play Drake Mays week four.
16:32 And look, man, we're gonna give you the keys.
16:34 We're not gonna give you a short leash or anything.
16:37 We understand that some things might take some time.
16:39 But the talent is there.
16:43 And I think that a few things that he just needs to be aware of is that, hey,
16:46 take the layups when you can.
16:47 Not every play is gonna be a home run.
16:49 And as long as you can do that, man, you're gonna be chillin, and
16:54 your progression is gonna come.
16:55 Your natural talent will help you get to where we need you to be.
16:58 So I would like to see him at some point just because the talent potential
17:03 is certainly there.
17:04 But even if it's not week one, it's not to say that we won't see him at all.
17:08 But I do think that we'll see him.
17:10 >> I agree, I think one, his supporting cast is a lot better than we saw at UNC.
17:14 And that was kind of the example of what the Patriots even mentioned after they
17:17 took him, that he wasn't surrounded by a ton of talent.
17:20 Obviously, really good running back in Amari and Hampton, good tight ends.
17:23 But when you're talking about the guys he was primarily throwing to,
17:26 not a lot of great NFL talent there.
17:28 So we know we could probably make it work even if there are gonna be growing pains.
17:32 But one thing that I've kind of been mulling over is,
17:34 what if Jacoby Bursette gets this team to around 500?
17:37 Then they start poking their head above 500.
17:39 And they're actually playing well going into maybe the bye week or
17:42 even the last quarter of the season, which I don't think it's a coincidence.
17:45 And after the bye week, they immediately play the Bears, Caleb Williams.
17:49 And then after that three-quarter mark,
17:51 you see them play Josh Allen twice and Justin Herbert.
17:53 >> Yeah. >> The NFL schedule is very much geared
17:55 towards Drake May probably starting in the second half.
17:58 But if Jacoby Bursette is playing well, and then he actually has the team playing
18:02 at a level where it's like, hey, they're competitive.
18:04 You really don't know if they're gonna win or lose every week.
18:06 Because it's kind of a coin flip based on who gets the ball last.
18:10 Do you think they still go to Drake May and say, hey, we've got to show potential
18:14 2025 free agents what we've got waiting in the wings?
18:17 Or do you think you stick with Bursette and
18:19 do what's best for the entire football team?
18:21 >> Yeah, I think that's a good point made by you.
18:22 Like the NFL schedule makers were practically holding the Patriots gunpoint.
18:26 Be like, he's gonna play.
18:27 [LAUGH] He better put him in because look at all these potential quarterback
18:31 matchups that we have in the back half of the year.
18:32 I like Jacoby Bursette enough.
18:36 I don't know if he's gonna have this team in a situation where they're consistently,
18:40 like you said, hovering around 500.
18:42 I don't know, like Jacoby is a fine backup.
18:45 I think that his value does get a little bit overstated in terms of how good he
18:49 really is.
18:50 But the defense is gonna be good and they're gonna be in it so
18:53 long as the offense protects the ball and is able to put up some semblance of points.
18:59 Which was, I mean, you know better than anybody,
19:02 wasn't guaranteed last year by any means, especially.
19:05 And there was a three game stretch where the defense allowed 13 or
19:07 fewer points and they lost all of them, I think.
19:09 So- >> I just disassociated,
19:12 it's out of my brain.
19:12 I have no idea what you're talking about.
19:14 >> Yeah, no, that's fair, completely understandable.
19:16 So I think that to an extent, you can do far worse as a backup quarterback or
19:21 a bridge quarterback than Jacoby Bursette.
19:23 But I don't think that he's necessarily raising the ceiling of the team.
19:26 And like you said, the potential matchups that they're gonna have down the stretch.
19:32 You're gonna face a Caleb Williams, you're gonna face a Josh Allen twice.
19:37 You need a dude who has the ability to raise his level of game to meet
19:42 the potential raising of levels that those other guys have.
19:46 So I see that potential in Drake May.
19:48 I've said it before, he's my favorite quarterback in this draft class.
19:51 I think he's gonna end up being the best quarterback in this draft class.
19:53 Not to say that Caleb Williams is gonna be bad, I think he's going to be good.
19:57 But something with May is he has that Josh Allen type factor where he's like,
20:03 I believe in my arm so much.
20:05 Sometimes I might throw into a tighter window than I should and
20:08 it might go the other way.
20:09 But hey, other times it's gonna get in that window and
20:12 it's gonna be a 70 yard touchdown.
20:14 So you live by my arm, you die by my arm.
20:17 And that's why I said the thing about take the layups.
20:19 Because sometimes if we're making the Allen comparison,
20:22 sometimes Josh Allen doesn't take those layups.
20:24 And tries to go for a dunk over nine people where you're just not gonna get it, dude.
20:29 So as long as he's smart with the football and cautiously, what's the word?
20:34 Cautiously aggressive, I think that there's gonna be some success with May.
20:39 And again, I hope that we see him and especially if we get those matchups that
20:43 you just said between Caleb Williams, between Josh Allen twice.
20:46 The Patriots usually played the bill strong anyway with whoever's that
20:49 quarterback.
20:49 So if you have a guy like Drake May who's starting to come into his own and
20:53 those two matches with the bills in the final month of the season.
20:56 Maybe you steal one from Buffalo, maybe you steal both from Buffalo, who knows?
20:59 But those are matchups that I'm sure fans are looking their chops to see.
21:04 >> Yeah, and with Drake, especially when it comes to decision making.
21:07 Obviously there are times where he needs to rein it in, could be smarter.
21:09 I'd say that for pretty much any of these quarterbacks in this rally.
21:12 So then like Jaden Daniels is really the only guy where it's like,
21:15 you're kind of stunned when you actually see him throw in ugly windows.
21:18 But with May, 1.9% turnover worthy play rate,
21:20 that was one of the best in the country.
21:22 That's you look at like a Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes,
21:25 they were putting the ball in harm's way a lot more often.
21:28 And when you look at the big time throws and the big time throw rate,
21:30 it's about similar.
21:31 So the prospect of Drake May starting, you look at obviously the consistency,
21:35 which is important, the accuracy.
21:37 Like even in camp early on, we're seeing that as he gets the new footwork down and
21:40 is trying to work on becoming better in that area.
21:43 There is some poor ball placing when it comes to those underneath throws.
21:46 But I know like Clyde Christensen said, he kind of laughs when he's on
21:49 the Pat McAfee show.
21:50 And it was like, yeah, he'll miss the layups, but then he kind of scoffs.
21:53 And he's like, yeah, sure, but he's also gonna make a bunch of throws that no one
21:56 else is gonna be able to make.
21:57 Or like a lot of guys aren't even thinking about.
21:59 So there's give and take, but I am cautiously optimistic about the idea of
22:03 Drake May playing as a rookie.
22:05 And with his mental toughness, I feel like if you do put him in there,
22:08 it's not gonna be a Mac Jones situation.
22:10 Which to be fair, took a couple of years before Mac really started to regress.
22:14 And you started saying like, whoa,
22:16 the decision making is off the rails on top of the poor mechanics.
22:19 So you're hoping that the offense can support him whenever he goes in.
22:22 And then it's more just a personal thing where he's learning what he can and
22:25 can't do at the next level.
22:27 >> Yeah, and you pointed out the turnover worthy throws and
22:31 that's what the cautiously aggressive thing like he knows to pick his spots.
22:34 Which is something that you love to see any young quarterback.
22:37 We're like, okay, could I maybe try to make this type of throw downfield and
22:41 perhaps fit it into window?
22:43 Sure, but let's take this eight yard game.
22:45 Let's play for another down.
22:46 Let's not live and die on one play.
22:48 And I think that having that mindset is good.
22:52 But like you said, as long as he can learn to hone in those underneath throws and
22:56 not miss the layups, I think that's a good analogy that you had.
22:59 We have another potential star AFC quarterback in the making,
23:04 which there wasn't enough of those already apparently in the conference.
23:07 So I think that he has the potential to be absolutely in the conversation for
23:12 one of these top quarterbacks in the league.
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24:44 >> So after the Patriots took Drake May,
24:46 Elliott Wolf said that they wanted to get him some weapons.
24:49 I also mentioned offensive line, but this is about fun stuff.
24:52 The thing that everybody can relate to,
24:53 everybody likes watching the pass catchers.
24:55 So they went out and got Jalen Polk in the second round.
24:58 And in the fourth round, they went out and got J Von Baker.
25:01 A couple of vertical threats, ball winners, really physical players who I
25:05 think are gonna do really well in this system and bring some much needed juice.
25:09 And really tenaciousness that I think the offense didn't really have,
25:12 especially in recent seasons.
25:14 What did you think about the additions of those two guys to the women's offense?
25:17 >> I loved it.
25:18 They're both guys, you said, they're downfield threats, but
25:20 also guys who can make plays in the intermediate.
25:23 With Polk, he's a guy who can be physical downfield.
25:26 I'm just looking at the little bullet points I had.
25:30 Good at ball tracking.
25:31 So when you have some, but
25:33 you have a pair of guys like this who are going to grow together.
25:36 But aren't one trick ponies.
25:38 Like yes, when it comes to Javon Baker, he reminds me a lot of Gabe Davis a little
25:41 bit in terms of his downfield ability to make plays, another UCF guy by the way.
25:46 So I do see the similarities there in terms of just their ability to be home run
25:50 hitters at the wide receiver position.
25:52 I think Polk is more of the intermediate winner than Javon Baker would be.
25:56 But that's good to have that type of balance where if you lean on Bakers more
26:00 of your burner and your 50/50 ball guy, Jalen Polk can do that as well.
26:04 But again, another guy who can win underneath as well,
26:07 as a more of a physical receiver.
26:10 So they've kind of utilized, or at least they wanted to use Juju Smith-Schuster and
26:14 kind of that underneath role where if he catches a six yard pass,
26:17 he can try to turn it into an 11 yard game.
26:19 He did that a lot in Pittsburgh before he messed up, really just dealt with a lot of
26:23 injuries over the past few seasons in Pittsburgh and
26:25 Kansas City before coming over to New England.
26:28 But if you have a guy in Jalen Polk who can be that downfield threat, but
26:32 also win in the intermediate and also be a little bit physical underneath.
26:36 That's a guy who again, a master of none, but
26:40 a dude who can really give you everything that you need at each level.
26:45 And that's great.
26:45 And Javon Baker, like I said, more of the vertical threat, I would assume,
26:49 in this offense, but still a guy who you can rely on to not be so
26:54 much as a one trick pony.
26:56 That's a thing where his ceiling to me is much higher than something like a Gabe
26:59 Davis because with Davis, it's like, okay, he's either going for like six catches and
27:03 a buck 40 and two touchdowns, or he's catching one pass for a big,
27:08 for like six yards and it's just not gonna be a great day.
27:12 So I think that he's a guy who yes, he's going to be the guy that Drake Mace has
27:16 effed Javon's down there somewhere sometimes, but he's still a guy that you
27:20 can rely on underneath and in the intermediate as a route runner as well.
27:25 So two guys who I think are going to be focal points of the offense for
27:30 the foreseeable future with Drake May.
27:32 I think it could be similar to a situation with Burrow, Chase and Higgins in
27:37 Cincinnati where you've got a quarterback and
27:39 you've got two young receivers who are going to grow together.
27:42 And we've seen how it's worked out for the Bengals.
27:46 They've made it to consecutive AFC Championship games.
27:48 We're very close to making it to consecutive Super Bowls.
27:51 And if that ends up panning out for the Patriots,
27:55 they could have a nice trio for the next five years.
27:58 We'll figure out the whole money side of things and who gets paid once we get there
28:02 in 2028 or whatever that time will be.
28:05 But I like the way that they went about it,
28:09 not trying to necessarily make some sort of massive splash in free agency.
28:15 After all these guys got franchise tagged as well,
28:19 there wasn't too many splashes to be made.
28:21 So rather than overpaying for a Calvin Ridley, who I like Calvin Ridley,
28:25 I wouldn't have given him a four year $92 million contract like the Titans did.
28:29 So looking at that and say, okay, we're gonna give Calvin Ridley a ton of money.
28:32 Or should we just draft a couple guys who we can grow in house, who we believe in,
28:36 and that can fit what we want Drake May to be as a quarterback.
28:39 I think that they went the right route with it.
28:42 And now potentially have two guys who can become legit number one,
28:45 number two receivers in the offense with a quarterback who,
28:49 they're all just gonna be in the system, figuring it out together and
28:52 growing together.
28:53 And I think that that was a really good way to go about it.
28:55 >> Completely agree.
28:56 You also mentioned Juju earlier.
28:57 He actually said yesterday, last year he was playing and
29:00 he was never really above 60%.
29:03 This year he's saying he's at 100%.
29:04 So that's gonna be a pretty interesting shake up to the receiver room.
29:07 Obviously you wanna keep, you got Pop also who's a guy that you figure is gonna
29:11 contribute heavily in three receiver sets, along with Oak and Baker.
29:15 That's a really good young nucleus.
29:17 But then with the veterans, if you have Juju, you got KJ Osborne who was signed,
29:20 then Kendrick- >> I forgot about KJ Osborne, yeah.
29:23 So I mean, quietly they have, especially Oak and Baker paying out and
29:27 show early on that they can be go to guys.
29:29 They got a deeper receiver room than people tend to realize,
29:33 especially if Juju can be that veteran power slot guy, awesome.
29:36 If Pop Douglas can make plays from the slot, and
29:39 they can move Pop on the perimeter as well should they want to.
29:42 They've got a nice collection of young talent and veteran talent.
29:46 I love the addition of KJ Osborne, a guy who was predominantly the third receiver
29:50 for the majority of his time in Minnesota, took a little bit of a step forward.
29:54 After Adam Thielen left, but
29:55 was still that third option behind Jordan Addison and Justin Jefferson.
29:59 I think that's a guy who you can put in the slot,
30:02 you can put him on the perimeter, he's got that versatility.
30:05 They quietly have a nice collection of weapons and went about it again,
30:09 didn't give massive money to a bigger name like Calvin Ridley and
30:11 potentially overpay.
30:12 So I think if you bring in a KJ Osborne,
30:16 reliable veteran to help room along to rookies.
30:21 I really enjoy what the potential of the offense of the Patriots can be,
30:25 which is a hell of a lot more than we've been able to say since what, 2018,
30:29 maybe 2019, it's been a while.
30:32 >> Honest, that's why I love you, man, you set me up perfectly.
30:34 All right, so you mentioned they have some pretty good depth in that receiver
30:38 room, but now it comes down to, okay, when are these young guys gonna play?
30:41 Cuz the way I see it, if you're talking about this being a potential sneaky
30:45 playoff contender, I think it comes down to Baker and
30:48 Polk being guys who do have pretty significant roles.
30:50 And can give you the juice that maybe guys like Osborne and
30:53 Kendrick Bourne, especially coming off the ACL.
30:55 And you just misuse or don't really give you,
30:57 they're more like pure possession guys for the most part.
30:59 So what are some realistic expectations for Polk and
31:02 Baker in terms of role and potential output when it comes to this season?
31:07 >> I try to think back to the 2019 rookie class when it comes to that,
31:10 cuz that was the class of, I think it was Deontay Johnson, DK Metcalf, Brandon Ioke.
31:15 And you look at the numbers that each of them had,
31:17 it was about 55 to 65 catches somewhere in that range.
31:21 And each of them had really successful years.
31:23 So I think that if you can get Jalen Polk and
31:26 Javon Baker both above 50 receptions, especially Javon Baker.
31:30 If he's hovering around the 700,
31:33 800 yard mark with a few deep ball touchdowns.
31:37 A lot of red zone targets, especially if they are in that vicinity,
31:42 I think that that is a very good year one for both of them.
31:45 And I try to think of it as, what's a good analogy?
31:50 Kind of like a pizza, right?
31:52 Where if you have a pizza, and Jalen Polk is the cheese, and
31:57 Javon Baker is the pepperoni.
31:59 You can have Juju Smith-Schucher be some black olives.
32:01 You can have KJ Osborne be some onions if you like a supreme pizza.
32:06 I'm a supreme guy, so stick with me.
32:09 And occasionally, if you wanna mix it up and
32:11 maybe throw some Kendrick Bourne tomatoes on there for whatever you gotta do.
32:17 It just depends on what your taste buds are feeling.
32:18 As long as each of these guys can serve their role appropriately,
32:22 then I like what the offense has potential to be.
32:25 But yeah, I think that you're right, Jalen Polk and Javon Baker.
32:28 I mean, where they were drafted and what the direction of the offense seems to be,
32:33 I think that they are the ones that the offense will be revolving around.
32:37 In terms of the passing game, where Alex Van Pelt and
32:40 Gerard Mayo would love if these are the two predominant guys that you're targeting.
32:44 But again, you brought in KJ Osborne for a reason to help the process along.
32:48 You still have Juju there, a reliable veteran who has worked with his fair share
32:52 of elite quarterbacks and elite receiving talent.
32:55 He knows what it's like to be a one B or number two opposite of an elite receiver.
32:59 So there's a lot of good previous experience and
33:03 a lot of just knowledge that can be passed on to these guys as well.
33:06 And I think that, again, if they're 55 to 65 catches a piece,
33:11 I don't think either are gonna blow up the rookie year and be 90 catches.
33:15 Just because the receiving room is a little bit deeper than many would think on
33:19 the surface.
33:20 But if they can be 55, 65, 70 catches, I think that that's a great start.
33:26 >> So I'm curious your perspective on what my projection is gonna be for
33:29 their roles in the offense, Alex Van Pelt's offense.
33:31 So if we're looking at the Browns of the past couple seasons,
33:34 I feel like Jayvon Baker's like your Amari Cooper.
33:37 Honestly, I did a breakdown and when you look at their size and
33:40 their measurables, they're not super far off.
33:42 Cooper's bigger and he's faster, but everything else is kind of in the same
33:45 ballpark and they're both guys you can put them one on one.
33:48 They're separators, they can win downfield, be those ball winner type guys.
33:52 Then in maybe that more like Donovan Peoples Jones,
33:55 Cedric Tillman role, I'm thinking that's Jalen Polk.
33:57 Where you ask him to do the dirty work in the run game,
34:00 blocking back at Washington.
34:02 He's blocking linebackers, defensive linemen,
34:05 on top of safeties who are coming at him full speed.
34:07 So you figure he's gonna be the guy who's really close to the formation most of
34:10 the time.
34:11 And then can get those downfield targets in some obvious past situations,
34:16 win on those over routes.
34:17 And then you got Pop Douglas as your Elijah Moore,
34:19 who's the guy you can scheme touches for.
34:21 And then he can also be explosive downfield if you need him to,
34:23 a little bit of everything in the middle.
34:25 Do you think I'm kind of in the ballpark?
34:27 Again, cuz you watch a lot more Browns than I have.
34:29 >> I love the analogy, I love it a lot.
34:31 And I think that the more that we talk about this offense,
34:36 I think that people are going to be surprised at how talented it is.
34:39 That's not to say that it's gonna be a top five unit or anything.
34:42 But if by week 11, we're looking at, my goodness, the Patriots are 13th,
34:45 12th in offense, who would have thought that they'd be bounced back that well?
34:49 Very possible, especially if these guys come into their own,
34:53 before the midway part of the season.
34:55 So I do like that analogy a lot, and I think the usage is going to,
34:59 I think the tight end usage is gonna be interesting too.
35:02 Because the Browns love to utilize a bunch of tight ends,
35:05 whereas David Njoku, Harrison Bryant.
35:08 So I'm intrigued to see what it's going to look like from a tight end perspective
35:12 as well.
35:13 But they're gonna have a respectable number of mouths to feed, and
35:17 I'm intrigued to see how they're going to divvy up these targets,
35:21 divvy up the touches.
35:23 How often they're gonna run 12 personnel,
35:25 how often they're gonna go with more heavier sets.
35:27 So it's gonna be much less vanilla from the Patriots than we've seen.
35:32 It's gonna be some strawberries, some cookie dough,
35:35 a lot of different flavors that are gonna be mixed in there.
35:38 >> You mentioned the tight ends, that's gonna be an interesting one for sure.
35:41 Cuz you got Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper, pretty much interchangeable.
35:44 They can play in line.
35:46 >> Insert white dude tight end here, yes.
35:49 >> Exactly, they're not gonna blow you away, but
35:52 they're guys who can move the chains, do just enough and
35:54 get in the way in the run game.
35:55 The needle mover for me is Jaheim Bell.
35:57 Cuz when you look at how they used Harrison Bryant,
35:59 specifically as a blocker, where you move him around a lot,
36:02 you kinda use him in some unconventional ways.
36:03 He used a ton of quarterback sneaks, different things like that.
36:07 But Jaheim Bell being a guy who lined up all over the place,
36:09 both at both of the schools he was at in college.
36:12 I think you can project that one,
36:13 he's gonna be used to the best of his ability.
36:15 Where he's a guy where you don't wanna, he's versatile, but
36:18 more in a way where you kinda have to,
36:19 especially as a blocker, manage where you're gonna put him.
36:21 But then with the explosiveness, like straight line speed,
36:24 ball tracking downfield.
36:26 When you look at the play action opportunities,
36:27 the Browns love their tight end screens.
36:30 That's where I feel like he'll probably get into the mix.
36:31 But yeah, I feel like there's some sneaky pieces on this offense where it's gonna be
36:36 one of those situations where they're better than the sum of their parts.
36:39 Where everybody's gonna kinda have their role, and
36:41 like you said, it's gonna be kinda like, well, cut here, cut there.
36:44 And then you're looking at it, it's like, whoa, wait,
36:45 they're actually doing a lot better than I expected.
36:47 >> Right. >> When it's at manageable
36:49 expectations, of course,
36:50 we don't know what the offense is gonna look like, they're still installing plays.
36:53 We are talking about two rookies who, as pro ready as they may be,
36:56 are still gonna have their lumps.
36:58 But I like that you kinda brought some optimism, cuz I do think their ceiling is
37:02 a little bit higher than people are giving them credit for.
37:04 >> I do too, and again, even if it's, they go 6-11, 7-10,
37:07 I don't think there's gonna be too many instances where we go down their schedule
37:11 and be like, man, the Patriots got rolled that week.
37:13 It might happen once or twice,
37:14 it usually happens to teams at least once a year anyway, no matter how good you are.
37:18 But I am curious, you brought up the tight end situation a little bit more.
37:22 We're starting to see the league transition to a little bit more of
37:25 a 12 personnel league.
37:27 That's kinda the pendulum swing here, where defenses are gonna counteract
37:30 the passing game with more nickel and dime sets.
37:33 How do you counteract that as an offense?
37:34 More 12 and 13 personnel.
37:36 So if you look at, especially on early downs last year,
37:40 what team led the NFL in 13 personnel, the Chiefs did.
37:43 So I think that the good teams are starting to get ahead of this curve and
37:47 be like, okay, how are we gonna counteract five, nine defensive backs?
37:50 I'm gonna put another tight end on the field and take them out of the equation.
37:53 So I think that I have to go back and look at the Browns tight end usage of last year,
37:59 just cuz now I'm curious, to see how much of that will translate over for the Patriots.
38:05 And again, it would be a little bit different cuz I think that Dave Nijoku is
38:08 better than Austin Hooper and Hunter Henry.
38:10 But I still expect to see a lot of carryover from what it was in Cleveland.
38:16 So I'm excited to see what this Patriots offense looks like.
38:18 And we know that we expect the defense to still be good, especially with all
38:22 the pieces that they are bringing back from a unit that was really good last year.
38:27 I think that this can be a team that we're talking about later on in the season.
38:33 Be like, okay, the Patriots aren't mathematically eliminated from the playoffs
38:36 yet, and it's week 14, that's pretty neat.
38:39 >> That'd be a godsend, I think.
38:40 You mentioned the tight end usage.
38:41 I know the Browns were one of the most 11 personnel heavy teams in the league.
38:45 >> I'm a little right now.
38:46 >> Yeah, I know they were middle of the pack in 12 personnel, but
38:49 13, they were way up there.
38:51 They used a lot of 13, a lot of heavy formations, like with Nick Harris as
38:54 a fullback and kinda moving him as an eligible receiver kinda thing.
38:58 With all the offensive linemen they have, especially the young guys,
39:00 if Caden Wallace isn't playing in a Chukso core or instead at that left tackle spot,
39:04 I think that might create a situation where you see Caden Wallace maybe as
39:08 an extra tight end or a fullback, and you start giving defenses some weird looks.
39:12 That, to your point, you want those heavy sets, so
39:14 you force defenses into tough situations where it's, do I stick with my nickel
39:18 defense, do we have enough depth at safety where, like the Patriots,
39:22 I'm just gonna play big nickel and I have the guys who can handle it?
39:24 Do you go to base where you have guys that maybe aren't really playing all
39:27 the time?
39:28 A couple years ago, we saw that from a Bills defense.
39:30 I forget who it was against, but it was a team that forced them into their base and
39:33 that AJ Klein had to play, and he got picked apart cuz it was just play action.
39:37 And it's like, this is a guy who's mostly a special teamer for us,
39:40 he doesn't really play a whole ton.
39:41 Wait, were you unable to unearth anything?
39:43 >> Yes, so in terms of first down personnel, at least,
39:46 the Browns were fourth in the league last year in 13 personnel.
39:49 So the Chiefs led to 12%, Seahawks had 11%, Cardinals had 10.
39:54 But the interesting note of this is who they were tied with, the Jaguars and
39:57 Falcons, both of which love tight end usage.
40:00 Doug Peterson loves him some tight ends, Arthur Smith loves him some tight ends.
40:04 So I think that we're gonna see some of that carry over with Alex Van Pelt where
40:08 we're gonna see, okay, how am I gonna use Jaheim Bell?
40:10 How am I gonna use Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper?
40:12 So I expect, especially on first and second down,
40:15 if they can live in 12, 13 to set up some second and two and say, all right,
40:20 Drake, play action, look for Javon, we're gonna see what we can do here.
40:24 I'm excited to see how well this works out for the Patriots.
40:29 >> Hopefully, Jalen Polk can basically be an extra tight end kind of presence,
40:33 like kind of a puka or a Cooper Cup where- >> Yeah, that's a good comp, yeah.
40:35 >> He's just so physical, it's like, yeah, it's technically 11 personnel, but
40:38 he's gonna be blocking your linebacker.
40:40 So you can't just treat it necessarily like it's a pure passing personnel.
40:44 >> I don't know how many of your viewers are wrestling fans, but
40:46 allow me to make a wrestling comp for Jalen Polk.
40:50 He's, as a receiver, I feel like he's like Claudio Castagnoli.
40:54 If you're a WWE fan, that's Cesaro, formerly known as in WWE,
40:59 where he's just this big mother rapper.
41:01 And his finisher, he throws a guy up in the air and gives him an uppercut, it's rad.
41:05 But that's what I picture physical receivers like Pukas, who aren't afraid to
41:09 get down and dirty in a run block, who aren't afraid to just really throw their
41:13 weight around.
41:13 Jalen Polk could be like that, man, especially on perimeter runs,
41:17 if you're running behind a receiver like Jalen Polk, that could be very, very good.
41:22 >> Man, Mob says that's a great comparison, you hit the nail on the head.
41:27 All right, buddy, last thing I'm gonna hit you with,
41:29 off script, but Chooks Okorafor, I feel like I gotta ask you.
41:33 >> Yeah.
41:33 >> Cuz we're having the debate, we talked to him yesterday, actually,
41:36 switching from the right side to the left side.
41:38 Where he did play in college, but that was obviously a long time ago.
41:41 He did say, Caden Wallace seemed like he was pretty confident switching from right
41:44 to left.
41:45 But Okorafor gave the more veteran response, where he was like, hey,
41:49 it's a transition, it's a new position.
41:50 I'm in a new city, I'm learning a new offense.
41:52 It's a work in progress, but you do hope that he can kinda get back to those
41:56 college roots and be able to kinda get the muscle memory down.
41:58 Especially with a guy like Scott Peters, who's so good with technique.
42:01 Since you watch so much of Chooks, let people know what kind of player they're
42:05 getting in him and what the expectation should be for him this season.
42:09 >> Yeah, and I think that people also need to understand is this isn't Madden,
42:12 where you can just move guys around the offensive line and
42:14 keep their same overall.
42:15 No, that's the same thing, you're just shoving dudes.
42:17 No, he's gonna have to now transition from moving his feet this way,
42:21 moving his body this way, to now really just learning, really flipping it.
42:25 So now in terms of how he played in Pittsburgh as a right tackle,
42:29 wasn't a leader or anything, but it's reliable.
42:32 Had some differences with the organization middle of the year last year.
42:36 What those were, I don't know the specificities of it, but
42:39 there was some clear tension within the room where he wasn't a fan of what
42:43 the offense was doing, where the direction was going.
42:46 And so they ultimately pulled him and
42:47 that's how Broderick Jones became a starter at right tackle.
42:50 It was dumb because Chooks is very much clearly better than Dan Moore,
42:54 who was their left tackle last year.
42:55 So they could have just either put Broderick Jones in at left tackle and
42:58 kept Chooks at right or move Chooks to left and see how that would have worked out.
43:01 But you're getting a solid tackle, a very capable starting tackle.
43:06 And look, understandable why it would be a transition,
43:09 going from right to left.
43:10 But he's a veteran guy who has been a starter in this league now,
43:14 this will be what, year four or five of him being starter.
43:16 So a veteran starter on the offensive line for a Patriots offensive line,
43:21 who I mean, you can correct me if I'm wrong just from an outside looking in,
43:24 was not good a season ago.
43:26 So I think that having him, and even if he doesn't start off the year,
43:31 if he's more of like that swing tackle role until they feel comfortable
43:35 inserting him into the ladder depending on how you said it was a Caden Wallace,
43:39 that was gonna be.
43:41 So I think that as long as they're patient with it, we still have OTAs,
43:46 we still have mini camp, we still have training camp to go.
43:48 Like I think that he will be fine.
43:51 And if worse, something happens where a right tackle goes down with injury,
43:56 that's a guy you can look at truth and say, hey, we're gonna put you right there.
43:59 We'll move around the offensive line a little bit.
44:01 We see teams have to kind of rearrange their offensive lines throughout the year
44:04 because of injury.
44:05 Obviously, you don't hope that happens.
44:06 But if they do, they have a guy that they know played right tackle,
44:10 they can put them there if need be.
44:12 But again, a veteran guy, a good player, again, not elite,
44:16 not one of the top echelon tackles in league, but a solid starter in the league
44:20 who will give them an upgrade over what they had last year.
44:23 >> If he's just like a solid bridge guy who can kind of fend off Caden Wallace,
44:27 keep him on the bench, let him develop behind the scenes.
44:29 >> Sure. >> Obviously an older prospect, but
44:31 still, this guy on a rookie contract, so there's much worse situations.
44:34 I feel like best case scenario is Chooks plays so well, you're like, hey,
44:37 we don't really need anybody else to mess this up.
44:39 We're gonna stick with this combination.
44:41 And hopefully, the Patriots, I think we're near the top of the league in
44:43 offensive line combinations last year.
44:45 Don't wanna repeat that, but
44:46 at least you have a guy who gives you the flexibility.
44:48 Jarrett, this was a blast, man.
44:50 Thank you so much.
44:51 We gotta have you back on.
44:52 But for now, please let the people know where they can find you and
44:55 what great stuff you got coming down the pipeline that we should be looking out for.
44:58 >> Yeah, appreciate it, buddy.
44:59 Follow me on the app formerly known as Twitter @JBayleyNFL.
45:03 I did my write-ups for my version 1.0, the Game by Game standings pic.
45:08 So that's over at Touchdown Wire for USA Today.
45:11 I did a piece on Trevor Lawrence as well, and
45:13 how this whole overstated, he's bad, is just really dumb.
45:18 And so I did a big breakdown of Trevor Lawrence last year, so
45:22 that's up on USA Today as well.
45:24 And yeah, Steelers coverage up behind the steel curtain.
45:26 I'm the deputy editor over there for SB Nation,
45:29 their dedicated coverage to the Steelers.
45:31 And then the pump fake,
45:32 you can go listen to the AFC East preview that I did with Taylor here.
45:35 That was last week, that is up on the channel.
45:37 Or you can listen to it wherever you get your podcasts.
45:40 I just did the NFC East preview yesterday with Jess Navarro of DallasCowboys.com.
45:44 So a lot of stuff that you can listen to.
45:46 Again, that's the Pump Fake with Jarrett Bailey, wherever you get your podcast.
45:49 You can also subscribe to my YouTube where I stream all the shows @JBayleyNFL
45:54 on YouTube.
45:54 So doing a lot, we're inching closer to football being back-to-back.
46:00 And I think with OTAs and everything, you're gonna see we're starting to be in
46:03 the building.
46:04 We're starting to see these guys in some semblance of a uniform.
46:08 We're getting closer, we're getting closer.
46:09 So very excited.
46:11 >> Football's almost back, baby.
46:13 Thank you so much again, buddy.
46:14 It was a great time.
46:15 And thank you all, as always, for watching.
46:17 Make sure to keep it locked in at 5 o'clock.
46:19 I've got Ted Nguyen coming on the show to talk about Mike McDaniel's innovative
46:24 new defensive scheme and how, I say Mike McDaniel, Mike McDonald.
46:29 We got too many mixed, we got too many mixed.
46:31 Mike McDonald's innovative defensive scheme,
46:33 which the Patriots are gonna be seeing a lot of this season.
46:36 And how it could affect both Patriots scheme and the NFL overall.
46:39 So keep it locked on for that.
46:40 But for now, take care of yourselves, take care of each other.
46:43 We will see you next time.
46:44 Peace, y'all.
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