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00:10 What's going on everyone?
00:23 Taylor Kyle's here for CNS Media coming at you with another episode of
00:26 Cats Daily brought to you by our good friends at Price Picks,
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00:33 As we lead up to the draft, you guys know, trying to keep things fresh for you.
00:37 Show you some things and talk about some players that we haven't really gotten
00:40 a chance to highlight in this process with all the talk about quarterbacks,
00:44 receivers, and offensive tackles.
00:45 And today, we're diving into position groups that I really even haven't gotten
00:50 a good chance to really dive into and learn about because of all those bigger
00:54 positions of need.
00:55 So I had to get one of my favorite guests on, basically my out of town co-host.
00:59 I said it on Twitter and I really mean it.
01:00 He does fantastic work.
01:02 Someone who's just very easy to talk to and does tremendous work.
01:05 To kind of help me supplement my draft knowledge, Dan Barms,
01:09 film analyst for RGR Football on YouTube, NFL33.com.
01:13 Famous football content creator for football guys and
01:15 co-host of the Cover One Draft podcast.
01:18 Busy guy during a busy season.
01:20 Dan, how you doing, buddy?
01:23 >> Man, you say it all like that.
01:24 It's like, how am I actually doing, right?
01:27 Like, if you take a step back, you have to really evaluate your position because
01:31 you live in the moment all the time and I'm just trying to get to the next day and
01:35 be a dad and go to t-ball practice for my daughter tonight.
01:39 So yes, we have a lot of stuff going on.
01:41 I'm doing great.
01:42 We are a week out from the draft.
01:45 Everything that we've done over the past three months is finally coming to a
01:49 boiling point and we get to see all the payoff, what the teams are gonna do.
01:52 So I'm in a great mood.
01:54 I'm happy to be here.
01:55 I appreciate you having me on and I'm looking forward to the conversation
01:58 because it's tied towards some players, like you said,
02:01 that we don't always get to focus on.
02:03 And that's always nice to really dive into and talk about.
02:06 >> Yes, sir.
02:07 I'm actually gonna get a little cheat sheet for us to talk about the Patriots
02:10 defense. >> There we go.
02:10 >> Because this is a unit that when you just look at it on paper for
02:13 this season, it looks pretty good.
02:15 Like I really do think they have the bones to be a special unit.
02:18 But at the same time, if you look into the very near future,
02:21 things get a little more murky.
02:23 So let me put it up on the screen right now.
02:25 So we're gonna look and this is my roster breakdown.
02:27 I'll actually keep a little full screen so you can see my grading scale.
02:30 Blue is all pro, purple's pro bowl.
02:32 Dark green's quality, light green is quality.
02:35 Starter upside, so is the younger guys in year one to three.
02:38 Quality role player and then backup and practice squad.
02:41 So we look at the Patriots this season right here.
02:45 A lot of green, a good amount of blue for
02:48 a team that doesn't have a lot of blue overall.
02:50 And then you throw peppers at purple.
02:52 But then you look a little closer and it's like,
02:54 that's a lot of guys who are gonna be free agents in 2025.
02:57 But even with the depth, especially on the defensive line,
03:00 a lot of players that eventually people are gonna get extended,
03:03 resign, these things happen.
03:05 But that's still a glaring number of players who might not be on the team
03:08 next season.
03:09 So just looking at this day and from your perspective,
03:12 what is the outlook in your opinion?
03:13 >> So we've talked at kind of length over the past season or
03:18 two about the Patriots.
03:20 And obviously this is a different situation than right now.
03:23 It's not Bill Belichick.
03:24 It's a whole different atmosphere.
03:26 It's gonna be a different,
03:27 I would imagine it's not gonna be totally different defensively.
03:30 Mentality probably gonna be about the same and get the same kind of players.
03:35 Considering Mayo is now the coach and Wolf has been there for a little while.
03:39 Now I think that we can assume that it's gonna look a lot of the same.
03:44 But we're looking at the point now and it's like, okay,
03:48 we gotta actually get younger, right?
03:50 Gotta get younger, you gotta get more upside players.
03:54 And sometimes I look at the Patriots and I'm like, they just have a player for
03:58 every single position in every single situation.
04:01 It's nice to have players that you can just leave out there, right?
04:05 But you can just say, hey, Christian Gonzalez,
04:06 you never have to come off the field, like far more, just stay there, buddy.
04:09 We don't have to rotate you in and out sometimes.
04:12 Have guys in the third and
04:13 fourth quarters that you don't have to consistently take out a game.
04:16 So I like the depth, I like the initial this year, okay, we're good right now.
04:23 But as you said, you always have to look forward to it.
04:25 So there's some positions, defensive line, I think, cornerback,
04:30 safety that we're gonna be talking about today where it's trying to find those
04:35 players and trying to get some younger upside talent based players with
04:40 athletic upside that can come in, do multiple things, and give you some of
04:43 those answers that I think the Patriots are gonna be looking for in the coming years.
04:47 >> Absolutely, all right, so let's dive into some of those players.
04:50 Let's start off with the defensive line.
04:52 You got a very robust list of guys.
04:54 I'm excited to get into them.
04:55 Wanna start with the interior?
04:57 >> Sure, I did like 15-ish guys this year on the interior and
05:03 it's a fun group, so yes, let's go, let's start there.
05:06 >> All right, so one of the guys you've got on this list, Dwayne Carter.
05:11 Now, he's one of the few guys I actually am pretty familiar with,
05:14 a guy I like to get in the middle rounds when I'm looking at the Patriots,
05:17 probably in the first three rounds, gonna address offense.
05:20 That's why for this show, we're really gonna be focusing on more of those round
05:23 four, five, six, seven guys who they can get, whether you're either talking about
05:27 athletic upside or just guys who might be more rotational early on in their career
05:31 and then may fill in later on.
05:33 So Dwayne Carter, tell us about him, interior lineman out of Duke.
05:37 >> This is an interesting one for me because I feel like I'm one of the only
05:42 people that's really, really high on Dwayne Carter.
05:44 I understand he's 24 years old.
05:46 I understand all of that, he's an older prospect playing at Duke.
05:52 But I'm seeing him on the consensus board in the fourth round and
05:55 I'm just like, really?
05:57 You guys, you have him in the fourth round?
06:00 He's my defensive tackle too, and that makes me a little,
06:04 cuz I think it's a really good class.
06:06 I think it's a very good class, but I think that what he projects specifically
06:10 is one of those interior pass rushers with a lot of actual ability to counter,
06:15 use different moves, and get early quick penetration.
06:19 He's got a good first step and he can shoot gaps, but
06:22 he's also powerful enough that if he gets stuck up, or if he gets blocked,
06:26 he can manage his way into a gap and stay there.
06:29 He's not the best shutter in the world.
06:30 That's really one of the things that he's just not great at coming off the block.
06:34 And you see that a lot of times where he's looking around and
06:37 he's trying to find the ball and it's on the opposite side.
06:40 He's in the gap and he's like, I don't know what to do now.
06:42 So sometimes you do see a little bit of that.
06:44 But I think that's more coachable, learning how to disengage and
06:50 find the football is something you can teach.
06:52 It's obviously a lot of instinctual as well.
06:54 You see guys that are really able to just get into a gap.
06:57 They look one way, they look the other, and they can see the football.
07:00 So I personally believe that's something you can coach with good defensive coaching
07:04 and really something he can focus on.
07:06 I don't like to say the 24 years old is old because it's not,
07:09 it's 24 year old player.
07:12 But again, I'm looking at what he's able to do.
07:15 And like I said, I've got my own grades that I did on him specifically.
07:20 And I love him as a pass rusher.
07:21 He has an entire tool bag of pass rush moves.
07:25 This past offseason, what did we see at the defensive tackle market?
07:28 Guys who can rush the pass from the interior, getting paid.
07:32 They got lots of money.
07:33 So teams are gonna be looking for that.
07:36 So when I see him down in the fourth round on the consensus board,
07:39 I'm like, well, if that's legitimately where he's gonna go,
07:42 he's gonna be a priority on day three.
07:44 Like last year, we saw the Eagles come up and
07:47 get some of their priority players.
07:49 And that's typically one of the guys I think is gonna be there.
07:52 And if he's not taken on day two, which again, for me he would be, but
07:56 we'll kind of see how teams feel about that.
07:59 He was at the senior bowl as well.
08:00 I thought he pretty much did exactly what you expect him to play in the gaps,
08:04 create quick penetration.
08:06 Sometimes he gets caught up in trying to find the football, but
08:09 he is one of my favorite pass rushers at any level in this entire draft.
08:14 Because of what he offers, versatility wise with that first step get off, and
08:18 then just the motor, he will continue to work and work and work until he wins that
08:23 rep, so he's a very fun player and I'm excited about what he's gonna do in the NFL.
08:29 But for whatever reason, everyone's lower on him than me, so
08:32 always leaves me questioning myself just a little bit.
08:34 >> And honestly, the Patriots are a good situation for a guy like that,
08:37 where you got a lot of tricks just to get better.
08:39 One joke, him has done a tremendous job teaching guys different hand fighting
08:43 techniques and improving them that way.
08:45 Then obviously, Jerry Montgomery, the defensive line coach who previously worked
08:48 with Packers, very highly respected guy.
08:51 All the players in Green Bay absolutely loved him.
08:53 So it's gonna be a good nurturing environment where you can get that
08:56 technique down.
08:57 You're gonna be supported by a coaching staff where they're gonna be able to
09:00 connect with the players, that's been a huge thing for the past.
09:02 And even though DeMarcus Covington is now the defensive coordinator,
09:05 might not be able to get as much hands on time with these guys.
09:09 We do know that they might be shifting away from the style of defense Belichick
09:13 played where those interior linemen are really more run stoppers,
09:16 like a Lawrence guy type.
09:17 We saw him get released even though obviously had a ton of success in
09:20 New England.
09:21 Age and contract, I think were part of that.
09:23 He got a bonus before the season started because I think they couldn't reach
09:27 any kind of long term extension they were both happy with.
09:30 But that type of true run stopper who doesn't give you much in terms of
09:33 pass rush, I feel like it's kind of in the periphery.
09:35 When you see Arman Watts from Pittsburgh where he's a solid run defender for
09:39 sure, but he's not Lawrence guy.
09:41 But he gives you much more in the pass rush department.
09:44 Doesn't always turn into sex, but a lot of disruption.
09:47 You definitely see Dwayne Carter being the kind of guy in that mold.
09:50 Let's move on to another guy.
09:51 I've seen his name on Twitter a lot in terms of people not understanding why he's
09:54 not getting talked about enough.
09:56 LSU interior lineman Mason Smith, tell me about him.
09:59 >> Yeah, so I actually got around to the LSU guys a little bit late.
10:04 I was a little late to the party.
10:05 I did them last week and there's three of them.
10:08 They have three defensive tackles that are gonna get drafted.
10:11 And he, in my opinion, Mason Smith has the largest
10:16 upside in the draft for these LSU guys.
10:19 Wingo's a bit smaller, he's got shorter arms.
10:22 He's like a quick penetrating guy that we've seen go early in the past couple
10:26 of years, they're trying to project those quick penetrators early.
10:29 But for Smith, he's got a ton of physical tools.
10:34 And he has a good array of pass rush moves.
10:37 He's able to knife in, be able to use the swim move.
10:41 He has a counter and a spin move counter.
10:43 He can also play some four eye.
10:45 And I think he can play from four eye all the way down.
10:48 He's got really long arms, I think 34 plus inch arms.
10:51 He has good power in his extension.
10:53 For me, for him, it's mostly just lots of tools and
10:59 the coaching is not necessarily there.
11:01 Like the development tactics aren't all there.
11:04 He's a lot of the same with trying to locate the football at times.
11:07 You'll see him get into that gap and really extend.
11:11 And then he's like, well, now where's the football?
11:12 What am I doing here?
11:13 It does feel a lot like some of these guys just don't always have the best
11:17 coaching for college.
11:19 And we see that almost every single year where they're just like,
11:22 you're a great athlete, we're gonna recruit you, you're gonna go do this.
11:26 >> And is that what you see throughout the LSU defensive lineman?
11:30 Is that a consistent thing or is he more of an outlier?
11:33 >> No, I think that for Wingo's got more instincts, but
11:36 all three of them are taught to really do the same thing.
11:40 At least that's how it appears where they just get into a gap, they extend.
11:43 And then they don't necessarily shut off of the block.
11:46 And then it takes them a little bit more time to do so.
11:49 I think Wingo is the best shutter of the three.
11:51 One, he's got really small arms, right?
11:53 Like he's gotta be able to do it.
11:55 So he has to be more instinctual to get off that really quickly,
11:57 use his athletic ability to do that.
11:59 So it does feel like when I was watching all three of them,
12:02 that that's really what they're instructed to do is get in that gap,
12:04 extend and look and they don't always shed.
12:06 So they have the tools, Smith and Jefferson with those really long arms and
12:11 the power to play on the inside a little bit at four eye as well.
12:17 But he can, like I said, just locate the football a little bit.
12:21 And sometimes you see him get double teams and okay, it's over.
12:24 His anchor isn't as great as you'd like it to be.
12:28 So you get a little more sand in the pants for him if he's gonna play a little
12:32 closer to three tech or inside a bit more.
12:34 Because these guys got displaced by double teams regularly.
12:38 And it's something that you don't want to see specifically from someone,
12:41 if they're gonna be almost penetration based.
12:44 Like you wanna be able to have a little bit more, like I said,
12:47 sand in the pants, anchor the footwork to be able to recover,
12:50 get back in there and find the football in the run.
12:52 But lots of upside there, doesn't always split them either for
12:56 a guy who's more of a penetration based player with that first step explosiveness.
13:02 And the length to be able to kind of knife in and out of gaps.
13:05 You don't really see him split double teams as much as you'd like to as well.
13:08 So he had a really lots of good flashes, not a lot of consistency.
13:13 So he is another one of these players that if you're gonna have him on
13:15 the inside, you will need to have a little bit of a development plan.
13:19 And that's another one where we're saying, well,
13:21 the Patriots would be a good spot.
13:22 Cuz you have a lot of good interior players, even as pass rushers,
13:26 from the defensive end position, you could have them learn and
13:30 being able to teach these guys, it's a nice little pipeline for him.
13:34 >> All right, so we talked about like more three, four defensive ends guys in that
13:37 vein, now let's get to a nose tackle.
13:39 Cuz Devon gotcha one of the best run stoppers in the NFL, but
13:42 he's guy whose contract is coming up.
13:44 We don't really know what his future is gonna look like.
13:46 So let's get into Clemson's Tyler Davis.
13:49 >> Man, I really liked watching his tape and
13:52 when you get these defensive tackles that are excellent run stoppers,
13:56 you kind of know what they are.
13:58 For me, I'm a Chiefs fan, I watched Derek Nottie a lot and I cover the Chiefs.
14:01 So Derek Nottie is a, I'm gonna plug this gap, I'm gonna do my job,
14:04 you're not gonna move me.
14:06 But when it comes to pass rush, I'm not gonna give you a whole lot.
14:09 It's just not really what my job is and that's okay.
14:12 It's okay to have run stopping defensive tackles.
14:15 As you know, the Patriots like to have pass rushers and run stoppers.
14:20 They don't necessarily always have the, hey, you can do both,
14:22 we can leave you out there.
14:23 We're just gonna rotate everybody in and out.
14:25 But he's a little bit, I'm gonna pull up his numbers here,
14:28 cuz for whatever reason, I don't have them right off on my sheet,
14:33 which is annoying to me.
14:35 But when I was watching him, I think that he didn't do the best job of taking on
14:40 some double teams for a guy who is 6'2", 300 pound, 31 inch arm guy.
14:47 I would like to see him take on double teams a tad bit better.
14:50 He wasn't bad at it, it was just every once in a while you see him get squared up.
14:54 At first 6'2", you gotta be a little bit with your pad level,
14:57 you have to be able to get down and get in and hunker in.
15:00 And like I said, with some of these later round guys, you're gonna notice,
15:04 they're not perfect players, and you're gonna have to teach them a thing or two.
15:07 >> [INAUDIBLE]
15:09 >> Yeah, anchor is one of those things
15:10 that I think we get down the board a little bit for defensive tackles and
15:14 run stoppers.
15:15 You will need to teach, but he's got a lot of strength in his hands and
15:19 his arm extension for a guy who's got 31 and
15:22 three quarters inch arms as a nose tackle.
15:25 He's got, he benched nearly 30 times, which is pretty strong.
15:29 I don't know if you guys know, I've tried to get to that point in my life, but
15:33 it's never gotten above like 10 at 225.
15:37 So yeah, that's really strong guys.
15:39 But he's got good first step, he doesn't have an elite,
15:43 anything outside of maybe functional strength in one on one situations.
15:46 You do see him get in there, get underneath offensive linemen and
15:50 really extend.
15:52 I liked his eyes as well, he'll look around offensive linemen,
15:54 look for that football.
15:55 And then when it comes to actually getting guys to the ground,
15:59 too often I found him falling off of tackles.
16:02 As a defensive tackle, as a nose tackle,
16:05 you're not always gonna be at the forefront of getting those plays.
16:08 Your job is to keep linebackers clean, let them clean up and
16:12 let everyone else do it.
16:13 So I'm not super worried about it, but you would like it if he disengages and
16:17 is able to then get guys to the ground, but he sheds very well.
16:22 So he's able to really get in that gap, throw somebody off of him, and
16:26 then everyone else can help.
16:28 So he'll just kind of slow somebody down at worst and
16:31 then your linebackers and everyone else can kind of flow to it.
16:33 So just the only thing again,
16:35 he's not gonna give you a ton from the pass rush department.
16:38 It's just he doesn't have a lot of moves.
16:40 And when he is a more of a, I think, a bulrush kind of guy, and
16:43 if it's not working, we're not seeing a lot of hand movement outside.
16:47 It's kind of like, okay, this is over, we'll move on to the next play.
16:49 But if you want a guy, again, who's gonna come in and be, I think,
16:53 a good run stopper early that's really strong, that uses his length,
16:58 I think, pretty well from a shorter armed guy.
17:02 He's one of the good run stoppers in this defensive class,
17:05 especially on day three, that's gonna give you that production pretty early on.
17:10 >> Yeah, almost all of the Patriots no cycles are gonna be gone, or
17:13 at least that's what the contracts say next season.
17:15 So if you can get a guy like that really in the late rounds where you can just at
17:18 least plug him in, get him ready technique wise, and then he'll be ready to go once
17:22 some of those guys inevitably leave, I think that'd be huge.
17:25 All right, now the last interior lineman I believe on this list,
17:27 let's go with Jaden Crumity, who's got a very fun name.
17:31 So I'm kind of rooting for him to be a Patriot, actually.
17:33 But give us a profile on him.
17:35 >> Okay, sorry, I didn't have, for whatever reason,
17:39 it just kind of did not pull up on my list.
17:42 So let me pull his name up.
17:43 >> You need a live show.
17:44 >> [LAUGH] No, it's always fun, right?
17:47 You're trying to get everything in the list pulled up, and then you have a name,
17:52 and for whatever reason, it just disappears.
17:54 And this is not user friendly to navigate.
17:57 So I do apologize, everybody, for the, and I can't find his name.
18:02 Okay, there he is.
18:03 >> Okay, there we go.
18:04 >> Sorry.
18:05 >> You're good, you're good, you're good.
18:08 >> All right, so this is a six year guy, okay?
18:11 Played six years, yeah, 6'3", 301 pounds, he played at Mississippi State.
18:18 And I mean, he's only 23 though, so
18:21 he's not 24 years old for some of these 50 year guys.
18:26 This draft, and I think this, I don't know if this is the last one,
18:29 maybe next year as well.
18:31 A lot of those 50 year seniors with the COVID year,
18:34 we're gonna see a lot of these on day three.
18:36 Guys that really wanted to use as much of it as possible, and that's okay.
18:41 That's okay, I'm okay with that.
18:44 But he's 6'3", 301 pounds, at the combine he was 301, and
18:48 then his pro day he was 304.
18:50 So we do see maybe he wanted to run a little bit better, but
18:53 he actually had a 497, so a sub 540.
18:57 And he's a guy who's probably gonna be more of an athletic upside type of guy for
19:02 a defensive tackle with a 169 ten yard split.
19:05 So good first step, at least based off of testing.
19:09 And when you have a guy who played five years as a starter at Mississippi State,
19:12 you're learning something, right?
19:14 That's nice to see, guys that come in that have that starting experience,
19:19 even in the college level at the SEC is a good thing.
19:23 He's inconsistent, right?
19:27 Obviously a guy who's probably gonna be what, sixth round, seventh round.
19:30 You get a lot of these guys that move around, and
19:33 when you're a fifth year starter, you're consistently doing stuff.
19:36 It's a good thing to be in.
19:37 He's probably gonna be more of that three tech.
19:39 You're gonna want to use that first step explosiveness,
19:42 get downhill quickly as best you can.
19:45 And then try to live in the backfield.
19:47 These guys that come into the NFL lately that we're seeing,
19:50 the defense tackle out of Pitt last year, his name escapes me.
19:54 But he played for the Bucks last year next to Vitavia, and
19:57 he was just living in the backfield.
19:59 >> I know what you're talking about.
20:01 >> Yeah.
20:02 >> Right, cuz she, I'll wake it up, I'll buy us some time.
20:05 >> Yeah, there we go.
20:06 That's what the NFL is looking for.
20:09 Everyone seems to be looking for these next Aaron Donald guy, but
20:13 it's never the next Aaron Donald.
20:14 It's trying to find penetration based defensive tackles.
20:18 You're trying to be able to quickly impact the quarterback.
20:22 >> Kalyza Cancy?
20:23 >> Kalyza Cancy, there it is.
20:24 That's the guy.
20:25 And he's not gonna be, none of these guys are Kalyza Cancy.
20:28 I think the closest maybe to him is Braden Fisk, and
20:30 he's a little bit higher up the draft.
20:34 My boy, yeah, we had some fun watching that guy at the combine.
20:38 >> He's an animal, man.
20:39 >> He was all over the place, and you love that kind of energy.
20:42 But for a 300 pounder, when you have athletic movement and
20:47 power in spurts, that's potential.
20:50 And I think a guy like Wolf in New England is looking for
20:56 those athletic upside guys.
20:58 And that does seem, especially on day three, when you're trying to find
21:02 pass rush ability, pass rush acumen, athletic ability at the defensive tackle spot.
21:08 This is a guy, Cromdey is gonna come in.
21:10 He's got 32 5/8 inch arms, so he's not the longest guy in the world, but
21:15 he's not gonna be at a disadvantage on the inside with some of the guards.
21:20 Cuz let's be honest, everyone's like, you got sub 33 inch arms, you're a guard.
21:24 We're not gonna mess around with you at tackle.
21:27 So he'll be able to hand fight well with centers and guards and
21:31 give him that, I guess, growth.
21:34 Again, you're looking for growth in some of these players that the Patriots have.
21:38 It's another good situation for him to be able to go and use that.
21:43 So he's gonna be more of, like I said, a rotational three tech.
21:47 You're gonna see him come in those probably closer to pass rush sets early on.
21:51 But he just, he looks the part, right?
21:54 He's one of these big guys and
21:55 I like the athletic upside from a point of attack position.
21:59 So stack, shed, get in the backfield if you're asked to do that in the run game,
22:03 and then do the same thing as a pass rusher.
22:05 So instinctual guy.
22:07 So he's definitely more of the, like I said, the athletic upside based player for
22:11 New England, probably closer to that sixth, seventh round.
22:14 >> Like I said, the Patriots probably are going more in that athletic vein.
22:17 Marcus Covington apparently told the team, hey,
22:20 we're trying to get more pass rush, get more sacks.
22:22 Turnovers are a part of that as well, but sounds like he fits the bill.
22:25 All right, we're getting to the edge, guys.
22:27 And this is where I'm basically trying to water.
22:29 Cuz I have not done a lot of work here.
22:31 A lot of these guys I'm really unfamiliar with.
22:33 So you're steering the ship for me, buddy.
22:34 Let's start with Jalen Harrell.
22:36 >> So as a Michigan fan, I've watched these guys for the last couple of years.
22:42 And Harrell's not going to blow anybody away.
22:45 He's another one of these athletic upside type guys.
22:47 He was at the Senior Bowl.
22:49 And when you go back and just watch Michigan defense,
22:53 all these guys are asked to do the same thing.
22:55 It's be physical edge setting run defenders.
22:59 And then as a pass rusher, unless you're Aiden Hutchinson,
23:02 you have that great mind for pass rushing.
23:06 You just kind of know what you're doing.
23:08 Just kind of work, collapse the pocket, right?
23:10 Get down the middle of that tackle, figure it out, and
23:13 we'll use our athletic defensive tackles to be able to make something happen.
23:17 And that's kind of what it was last year.
23:18 It was a lot more collapse the pocket and figure it out.
23:22 Because they don't have a ton of pass rush acumen.
23:24 It's kind of athletic upside for Harrell specifically.
23:27 And every once in a while you see him flash, you'll see him bend the edge,
23:30 you'll see him corner, doesn't have a ton of bend, but he can corner.
23:33 And I like that ability.
23:36 Every once in a while you see him put his foot in the ground when he's going to
23:39 up the arc and get back to the inside.
23:41 So he does have some innate understanding of how to attack the edge and
23:46 then come back and counter on the inside.
23:48 But for, again, a guy playing at Michigan,
23:51 you would expect him to kind of have that power.
23:54 So he's gonna come in, I think if he's gonna be more of a day three guy on
23:58 the edge, definitely gonna be adept at setting the edge, right?
24:02 Being a run defender, that's one of the things that Michigan prides themselves on.
24:07 And I'm gonna pull up his numbers here cuz I'm apparently not prepared for
24:12 this show in the slightest.
24:13 >> You're good, buddy.
24:14 You are one of the busiest men in the business right now.
24:16 You are all set.
24:18 And they do have like Anfriti Jennings, who's kind of their go-to run stopper.
24:21 But you think about, once again,
24:23 the depth is not very good on the team when you talk about long term.
24:27 Uche, we talked about for the pass rush, but
24:28 also Matt Judon is one of their go-to guys on those early downs.
24:31 So getting another guy who can set a firm edge is still very important in what they
24:35 need, like they can't really get too picky.
24:37 Even if pass rush is probably where they would lean, but again,
24:41 can't discount the early downs either.
24:44 >> Yeah, and one of the things about Harold is that even though at Michigan you
24:48 ask these guys to be physical and set the edge.
24:52 I mean, outside of his length with 33 and a quarter inch arms,
24:56 the play strength wasn't all there for him.
24:58 He's definitely this athletic guy.
25:01 That's what it is.
25:02 It's very raw.
25:03 He's 250 pounds.
25:05 He's kind of a smaller edge player.
25:08 And when you are just asked to kind of run down the middle of guys all the time,
25:12 when the other guy on the opposite of him,
25:14 Braden McGregor, was more of the physical guy.
25:16 So I think that's a good combination too for your defensive ends.
25:20 You have the big physical guy and then maybe an athletic guy on the opposite side.
25:24 To mirror, I'm gonna press into you or if we win quickly on the other side,
25:28 we're gonna go to the speed, the power guy, excuse me.
25:31 So, 30, I guess at 33 and a quarter inch arms and
25:37 instinctually, I think that's really what you're asking for here right now.
25:40 He's, I do think that he's got the ability, obviously,
25:43 the frame to get stronger put on maybe 20, 30 pounds.
25:47 Like if that's what you're gonna ask him to do is be a run stopper,
25:51 that's what he's gonna have to do.
25:52 Because I think he doesn't understand how to do it.
25:54 You just see on tape where he's just like, I know how to get here and
25:58 I can't keep myself here, right?
25:59 I can't keep myself here.
26:01 You see a lot of these athletes that just kind of figure out at the collegiate level
26:06 that when they get to the NFL, it's gonna be a whole different animal.
26:08 So another groom on day three, he's definitely gonna have to get in an FLA room,
26:14 put on a good amount of weight.
26:15 I think the base structure understanding of defending the run is there.
26:20 But you, for example, look at Felix Enodiki Ozama out of Kansas State last year,
26:25 the Chiefs drafted at the end of the first round.
26:27 Hugely good athlete, had the requisite length.
26:30 But you saw, he kind of knew how to get to the edge and stop the run, but
26:34 he physically couldn't do it, right?
26:36 That's along the same lines as this guy, this Harold out of Michigan.
26:41 So another senior was at the senior bowl.
26:44 You saw him have a couple of good reps getting up the arc as well.
26:46 So like I said, he's got that first step explosiveness to be able to rush
26:49 the passer, the athletic ability to learn.
26:53 I think that's the most important part here is he's coachable.
26:56 And being at Michigan, I think you have to be coachable to an extent to be able to
27:00 play with Jim Harbaugh and not make you lose your mind a little bit.
27:04 So he's definitely a guy who's got a lot of upside, but
27:08 you don't know what you're getting all the time.
27:11 >> So do you think he does have that every now potential once obviously does get
27:13 an NFL weight room?
27:14 >> Yeah. >> How to use that length and
27:16 really get a better feel for what he's doing out there on the edge?
27:19 >> It would have to be year two, year three for every down upside.
27:23 But yeah, I think right now, I misspoke earlier.
27:27 He's not a Brayden McGregor.
27:29 I get the two mixed up sometimes, even though one's white, one's black.
27:32 So that's just on me.
27:34 Got guys running through my head all the time.
27:35 So he's definitely more of a third down maybe initially,
27:39 gonna be a pass rusher to start out and understands how to do it.
27:45 Just can't physically do it yet at the NFL level.
27:48 I did, like I said, Michigan was a bit easier for him to be able to do that.
27:52 And you're not always going against a little fashion every single week and
27:55 being able to do that at a different level.
27:57 So it's tools are there, understanding is there.
28:00 Physically is where he needs to get much better.
28:03 >> Well, outside linebackers coach Drew Wilkins has a pretty good track record,
28:07 worked with the Ravens and the Giants, worked some very talented players.
28:11 Actually, Matt Judon, he's a lead person who got into his first Pro Bowl.
28:15 So pretty good situation he'd be coming into with New England.
28:18 We're gonna get some defensive backs,
28:20 talk about how the Patriots upgrade their secondary, which has quite a few holes.
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29:34 >> All right, moving into the secondary, let's start off with some corners here.
29:37 First, someone the Patriots actually had in for a 30 visit.
29:41 So this one makes a lot of sense.
29:42 DeCameron Richardson out of Mississippi State.
29:45 This is a guy who kind of does scream Patriots.
29:48 I've seen some criticism about his athleticism, which I don't understand.
29:50 Like yes, he's got straight line speed and he's got size.
29:53 But I feel like fluidity wise, I kind of talked about it earlier on the show.
29:57 I think he's pretty good when he understands and
29:59 has a feel for what the route's gonna be.
30:01 He had a lot with these press corners.
30:02 When you get a hand on a guy, it's much easier to be able to run with him.
30:06 Although you saw against LSU, there are some times, especially on double moves,
30:10 he can get burned, but interesting prospect.
30:12 >> Yeah, Richardson is a guy that we were just kind of going through before
30:16 the show too.
30:17 He's based a lot more on cover three, cover four, cover six.
30:22 He plays a lot of that at Mississippi State.
30:24 Every now and then you'll see him play some man coverage and some press coverage.
30:28 And it's usually for him, it's kind of pressing bail, right?
30:32 He's getting back out there into his cover three.
30:34 But 6'2", 188 pounds, so maybe a little underweight for
30:39 a guy who's 6'2", but I don't think he's a bad athlete at all.
30:43 I think he's a pretty good athlete, honestly.
30:45 There's a couple of plays where I was just watching him before the show and
30:49 I'm like, okay, I see the hip twitch.
30:52 I see the able to kind of get in and out of breaks,
30:56 match with a bigger wide receiver at times for sure.
31:00 It's not exactly like he's gonna be playing against a lot guy the entire time
31:04 in his career at 6'2".
31:06 He's not that kind of guy.
31:07 So he's definitely a physical player.
31:11 I think he can use his length well, 32 plus inch arms if I'm not mistaken,
31:15 which is nice to have for a corner.
31:17 Ball production, not necessarily his key attribute.
31:22 When you're playing, I guess, at his size,
31:24 who really trusts his recovery speed,
31:27 you're much more comfortable playing the receiver, right?
31:31 Gets down field, kind of waits for him to make his move.
31:35 And you see that a lot with corners when they come out.
31:37 Either you play the ball, you play the quarterback, or you play the receiver.
31:40 You're playing the receiver, you're not gonna get the ball production.
31:43 You're not gonna get a ton of PBU, a ton of interceptions.
31:47 But for him, I think the most important thing is that he is,
31:51 I believe he's scheme versatile.
31:53 Because of that size, the physicality that he shows in spurts of the man coverage he
31:57 gets, and because he plays in so much different zone coverage,
32:01 it gives you the opportunity to really teach him the fine tuned parts of bump and
32:06 run coverage, some press man, things like that.
32:09 Where he does have the ability to mirror, to stay in phase, and
32:12 at the top of the routes when he is in phase, it's hard to kind of disconnect from him.
32:17 He doesn't get, just like, if he's in your hip pocket, chances are he's gonna be in
32:22 your hip pocket, or like a step near you, if that's where he's at, if when you break.
32:26 So the only times I saw him where the separation was a bit bigger of an issue
32:31 is playing that off zone, and a little smaller, shorter, quicker receiver.
32:37 He's able to use that quickness to be able to beat him, but not the best tackler at all.
32:43 He's not really a, I'm gonna come downhill in the run game, and
32:46 I'm gonna give it all my got.
32:47 No, that's not really his game.
32:49 Even though he's got longer arms, he does fall down on tackles as well.
32:53 So if he gets in space, he does tend to go from either up a little too high on
32:58 the shoulders to down below the hips, and you see him fall off of tackles and
33:02 kind of be more of a hold guy up for someone to some help.
33:05 He does, in my opinion, tack too high at times.
33:09 But at the sideline, you see him a couple times put his shoulder down at the mid
33:13 section and not wrap up.
33:16 I'm just gonna hit you, and I'm gonna hopefully get you out of bounds.
33:18 So like I said, he's a pretty good corner, I think, for his size.
33:23 He's got good athletic ability, and obviously he ran a 434, 40.
33:27 So he's got some speed to be able to keep up with some of these NFL receivers.
33:32 So he's definitely a day three guy that I think might end up being a little bit
33:36 more of a priority, depending how day two goes.
33:39 Cuz we know day one is gonna be a ton of offensive players,
33:42 maybe a ton of wide receivers on day two.
33:44 Maybe we see a run on cornerback happen at some point near the end of the first
33:48 round into the day two, and that's gonna push DeCameron Richardson a little higher.
33:52 But very fun player.
33:54 >> And I feel like his role would probably be something like JC Jackson when he first
33:57 got to New England, where he didn't really play on early downs.
33:59 He played more in sub packages, and then you'd see, or
34:02 like third down specifically.
34:03 And then you'd see he'd typically match up with the bigger guys,
34:06 especially with Gonzalez.
34:07 You can pretty much put on anybody, and he's athletic enough to be able to cover
34:10 them.
34:11 >> Yeah. >> And we can take those more bigger
34:12 bodied guys, be able to go toe to toe with them and have a better matchup.
34:16 Next, let's go with Johnny Dixon, another man cover guy.
34:20 Obviously, Patriots love that.
34:21 Although he is a bit boomer bust, but
34:23 also gives you some special teams value early on.
34:26 >> Man, Johnny Dixon is one of my favorite players, favorite corners.
34:30 And it's not even like he's, I like him on day two personally.
34:35 I think he can do a lot of different things.
34:36 But that's because I don't know, I have bias for him apparently.
34:41 But he's definitely going on day two.
34:43 And I think that he's much better than his Penn State counterpart, Kaelin King.
34:49 He comes in just under six foot, 5'11", 188 pounds.
34:53 And he does, he plays both press man, physical guy, and
34:57 he's an aggressive tackler.
35:00 I love what he does.
35:03 He does not care how big he is.
35:05 You guys have seen Mike Sangerstall, right, out of Michigan.
35:07 He plays like Mike Sangerstall.
35:09 He's not that level of player, but he is experienced.
35:13 He's aggressive as a tackler.
35:15 He doesn't care about his size, which I love.
35:17 And he is a very good blitzer.
35:20 This past season, they were sending him.
35:22 He was getting home.
35:23 He's got very good downhill click and close ability.
35:26 Like he's got all of the ability to do that.
35:29 Now the big takeaway right now is that he was injured in the pre-draft process.
35:33 So he wasn't able to do a ton of workouts.
35:35 And for a guy who likes to play physically, he's not the strongest.
35:39 He's 5'11", 188 pounds.
35:41 So you can just kind of box him out a little bit and some bigger wide receivers
35:45 got some success against him.
35:46 And he has, I believe he's got the recovery speed, but at times you'll see
35:51 him second guess himself in that press recovery footwork where he's, he thinks
35:56 he's in phase and then he's not.
35:57 So he has to like, he almost trips over himself, getting back behind to, to
36:00 recover and get back, get with guys that went behind him.
36:03 But he's again, aggressive.
36:05 He's got real long speed.
36:07 Like he can, he can stay on the outside and play in the inside.
36:09 If he does, if he needs to having that positional versatility and ability to use
36:14 your quick twitch play as a blitzer, a very aggressive mentality, that's just
36:20 the kind of player I want on my team.
36:22 And it's not like five, eight or cam Phillips last year coming
36:25 out of Houston was fantastic.
36:27 Doing all those things with the play, uh, you know, the mental ability just
36:31 didn't physically have the tools to compete.
36:33 Um, I think Johnny Dixon has those and he's sticky.
36:37 He is very sticky.
36:39 And I love what he's able to do from not just a click and close ability, but.
36:44 Pop those hips around and then fly down the field that he shows that it's just,
36:48 like I said, sometimes he will second guess himself and you see the footwork
36:51 where it does, he tends to maybe like click his heels a little bit at times.
36:55 And you don't want that necessarily.
36:57 It will slow you down, but all the tools, in my opinion, are there for
37:00 Johnny Dixon to be a slot or an outside guy who think he can play both.
37:04 He's one of your favorite guys.
37:06 He's clearly somebody that I need to do more research on.
37:09 I'm going to pop on the tape.
37:10 Go lost here.
37:11 We got a good question in the chat.
37:12 What's your opinion on cam heart?
37:14 Oh man, old man, mob.
37:16 What's going on, man?
37:17 Uh, cam heart is a day two player for me.
37:20 I think he's going to be probably a top 50, 60 player on my board.
37:23 And when you're six to physical fluid speed, like he's got all the tools that
37:31 you want from a guy that I think he can play safety and corner, I think he can do
37:36 both, I think personally his best.
37:40 Maybe three or four years from now might be safety, but I, I'm not going to argue
37:44 with putting them on the outside and just saying, Hey, any of those ex receivers,
37:49 I'm just going to stay with you.
37:50 Like, I'm just going to do it because he has the tools to do that.
37:52 He plays physical.
37:53 He's got those long arms, if I'm not mistaken.
37:55 I mean, at six, two, I would hope he's got long arms.
37:57 Um, I like him.
37:59 Yeah, I'm pretty sure he does too.
38:01 And we saw him on the field drills.
38:03 Dude can move.
38:04 Brian actually walked by and we were going to go eat and he was like,
38:08 hi, we're like, Holy shit.
38:10 That's cam heart.
38:11 He's big.
38:11 He's a big, big dude.
38:13 He's big, which is a very different thing.
38:16 So yeah.
38:16 Imposing guy.
38:17 He's fun.
38:18 All right.
38:19 Great question.
38:20 Old man, mob.
38:21 Appreciate you as always.
38:22 All right, now let's move on to another guy.
38:24 I got some inside out versatility, Jerrion Jones out of Florida state.
38:29 What do we got?
38:29 Man, these Florida guys, both of them.
38:32 Your guy, Renardo green is a stud and he's going up boards right
38:36 now is what he was doing.
38:37 And his counterparts not getting the love.
38:39 I don't know what it is, but they both have that dog mentality.
38:44 Like it feels like they've been doubted their entire lives and they just.
38:47 I'm like, fine.
38:48 You want to continue to doubt me?
38:49 We're going to keep playing at this level.
38:52 Um, but he, for whatever reason, he's being projected more along that, that
38:57 day three and you know, five 11 and one 90 pounds, we're in the same field.
39:02 As Johnny Dixon in terms of weight, height and weight, but a fifth year senior.
39:07 Again, that might be one of the reasons he's being pushed
39:10 down the board a little bit.
39:11 Teams definitely like the younger athletic profiles, but he does project as a player
39:17 that has that athletic ability to be able to play inside, to play outside.
39:22 At least, you know, from what I've seen of him, he didn't run a bad 40.
39:27 You could say four, three, eight, pretty good.
39:30 Another guy with a lot of long, light Richardson.
39:32 Yeah.
39:33 Like these, I I'm there's just so much speed in the NFL.
39:37 You need fast corners too.
39:39 Um, I think, right.
39:43 I mean, if you guys want to guard, Jalen Waddle and Tyree kill
39:47 a couple of times a year.
39:49 Um, yeah.
39:50 Um, so yeah, he's again.
39:56 Athletic, impressive athlete, just all over is able to do a ton of
40:00 different things for your defense.
40:01 I think the much like his, his counterpart, he's more physical guy.
40:06 And with that outside inside experience, he's definitely going
40:12 to be, I think, fifth, fourth round.
40:15 That kind of versatility does, in my opinion, bump you up on day three.
40:18 When you have the tools to play both in the experience to do both.
40:21 He trusts his eyes a little too much.
40:25 Like he thinks he's right.
40:27 A lot.
40:27 Yeah.
40:28 If you like pump near his direction, he's gone.
40:31 I'm going for it.
40:32 And you can really get that.
40:34 So you see him get bite on double moves a lot.
40:37 You see him bite on speed.
40:39 Like if you you're a wide receiver and you want to sell that deep route.
40:42 All right, I'm going to keep going.
40:44 And then he's going to get cut.
40:45 You break off the other way.
40:47 He has the recovery athleticism, but you need to be more patient with.
40:52 Wide receivers.
40:54 And I know it's hard.
40:54 I, I can't, I corners might have the second most difficult job in
40:59 the NFL outside of quarterbacks.
41:00 It might be physically it's number one.
41:02 Yes.
41:04 Yeah.
41:04 Like it's not, I can't even imagine having to process everything
41:09 they have to process in two seconds.
41:10 It's two seconds.
41:11 You have to read.
41:12 You have yet tells from the wider receiver.
41:14 You have to not fall for the I'm selling vertical, but then I'm going inside or
41:19 I'm going outside or I'm stopping.
41:20 I'm coming back.
41:20 There's so many different things that can happen.
41:22 So I, again, athletically at the tools are all there for him to develop.
41:27 It's just more, I think of an understanding of all the nuances that football is and
41:33 seeing the game, it's not really slowed down for him in his fifth year, which is
41:39 maybe another one of the reasons he's down here on day three, because the game has to
41:43 slow down and that's part of the reason we see him as more of a reactionary player.
41:47 So he, he definitely has the upside to play.
41:51 I think early on his best position might be a slot because it doesn't necessarily.
41:58 You're not going to always see that deep field speed, like, and then the breakdown,
42:02 like you might be able to get him as a off coverage a little bit, react, use his
42:06 reactionary athleticism to click and close on some of the, the, the smaller,
42:11 smaller players in the NFL.
42:14 Like, obviously you have big slots.
42:16 I'm just saying the majority of the time we see shorter and quicker guys.
42:21 I think he has the reactionary tools to be able to play in the slot early on.
42:25 And I think, I think he's a pretty good, aggressive, physical guy, maybe not the
42:29 best tackler in the world, but not going to shy away from it, at least not from what
42:33 I've seen.
42:33 So I, again, he's definitely in that mold, the same kind of player, I think, as
42:39 we're not agreeing mentality wise, and then body type of actually, I think all
42:44 three of them have kind of close to the same body type six foot five 11, like right
42:49 in there NFL quality cornerback play.
42:51 You already know, like you said, we're not all green is my guy.
42:55 We're going to similar mentality.
42:57 He's got the versatility.
42:58 I'm interested.
42:59 All right.
43:00 Before we move off of the cornerbacks, quick question, because I feel like we can
43:03 answer this real quick.
43:04 It's cool.
43:04 Are you going to be available at the 34th pick?
43:06 I'm going to say absolutely not.
43:08 I don't think there's a shot.
43:10 What do you think?
43:10 I feel like that's a wishful thinking.
43:14 I think it's wishful thinking.
43:15 Um, specifically because he ran his 40 with, you know, a broken foot and or four
43:21 speed.
43:21 Um, yeah.
43:24 And he's also, if he's not the best man corner in the class, he's the second best
43:28 man corner in the class.
43:29 And, um, he's already on pace to be ready for training camp and everything like
43:35 that, according to him and his doctor.
43:37 So I would say no, if he is, I'd be a little curious as to why.
43:43 Mike, what corners went, did somebody, okay.
43:48 Here's the better thing.
43:49 If somebody goes in front of him that I don't think should, that's where I'll
43:53 have questions.
43:54 Okay.
43:54 But if we still see a lot of the same guys on, on day one, maybe not go like we
43:59 expect Arnold and maybe Wiggins.
44:02 And then, um, who's the other corner?
44:05 Uh, Cooper, Dajean, those guys, if they all go and he's sitting there and it's
44:09 just offensive players.
44:10 Okay.
44:11 I won't be too shocked.
44:13 I'll tell you right now, I'd have a hard time saying the chiefs pass up.
44:17 Uh, cool.
44:18 It McKinstry at 32.
44:19 If like the wide receivers and the tackles have gone and they're just like,
44:22 don't do that.
44:23 You don't need, you're fine.
44:26 He's that'd be so unfair.
44:28 All right.
44:29 Appreciate you TJ.
44:30 Thank you for the question.
44:31 All right, now let's move on to some safety.
44:33 You got a couple of box guys.
44:34 We're probably going to make their paychecks in the NFL on special teams,
44:38 but with the new kickoff rules, that cannot be understated.
44:41 This is no longer, you know, that one year where special teams didn't matter.
44:44 They're back to being very important and you know, to bro peppers for agent, we
44:48 don't know what's going to happen with him longterm.
44:50 So it's important for the Patriots to get some kind of new blood in that safety room.
44:54 Let's start with, I'm so sorry.
44:56 I'm going to butcher this.
44:57 Keaton Oladopo.
44:58 Okay.
44:59 Kaitan, I believe is
45:00 Kaitan Oladopo.
45:01 All right.
45:02 I was not as bad as I thought it was going to be.
45:04 No, it's good.
45:04 Oh no.
45:06 And this was one of my favorite players coming into the senior bowl.
45:09 Like one of my favorite safeties.
45:11 Like he's, I love the type of player that he is.
45:14 He's big.
45:14 He's like six, two.
45:16 And I think he's going to be a future and like a future tight end eraser in the NFL.
45:21 I believe that's his, his station is going to be that big slot safety guy.
45:28 Like that would be perfect for him.
45:30 Good athletic ability, good change of direction, good recovery ability.
45:34 Um, there was a, there's a play that's stuck in my brain against Oregon where
45:40 they're tight end and I forgot his name.
45:42 I do apologize to the Oregon Titan and who has name I forgot, but
45:44 he beat Keaton down the field.
45:46 Like he, he nice little shoulder shimmy outside released up field.
45:50 He doesn't give up on the play.
45:52 He gets back and he slaps the ball out of his hand and negates a touchdown.
45:57 Like he is like, I'm not getting beat.
46:00 And if I get beat, I'm going to go make up for it.
46:02 That's the kind of player that I want to have on my team personally.
46:05 And when you have that aggressiveness, I think he could also probably do some
46:09 spot like dime backer stuff.
46:12 He's a big guy, but with that physical and athletic ability that he possesses,
46:18 I think that he has a lot of different versatile tools for NFL teams, like
46:22 a chess piece kind of player.
46:23 But when you have the change of direction that he possesses and just the natural
46:28 ability to physically take on tight ends, I think that again, like going back to
46:32 that, he's just so fun and he's a player that you want to just say, Hey,
46:39 you see that big guy, just don't let him beat you.
46:41 And he just always wants to just man up tight ends and when I just see the, the
46:49 want to, and the will just never gives up on a play type of mentality from him.
46:53 And that's something to want to be nurtured.
46:56 Um, like I said, the man coverage against tight ends is all there.
46:59 He's, I think he's best if he's going to be playing safety, you don't
47:02 want him as a deep safety guys.
47:04 That's not his game.
47:05 He's not a range finder, right?
47:07 We don't want those.
47:08 We want too high, but again, in the box, in that strong safety type role, he can
47:14 handle some too high stuff as well.
47:16 They did rotate him out there at Oregon state a little bit, but.
47:19 I'd like to see him again against tight ends, or if he's going to be a split
47:23 safety, bring him down as a robber, like a cover to robber and just like have a
47:27 corner rotate out and just have him come down.
47:29 Because when you have someone like him patrol in the middle of the field, why
47:34 do you see, or is my thing twice about going in there?
47:36 Uh, six, two, nearly 220 pounds.
47:39 It's a big, big, big guy.
47:40 So experience, uh, as a senior.
47:43 And I think again, good change of direction skills for a guy, his size,
47:46 that's going to be able to take away tight ends.
47:48 He's just so much fun to watch.
47:50 I encourage you guys.
47:51 If you haven't watched him, just, just go do it.
47:54 He's really fine.
47:55 You heard the man, especially in the AFC East, you cannot have enough safeties.
47:59 Pretty much every team loves their heavier personnel set.
48:03 So having more of those guys, especially if you don't really know what the future
48:06 is going to be like with Marty, your bro peppers really is that guy.
48:09 They like to rotate with Duggar where he is that like big nickel slot corner.
48:12 And then in their dime packages, ideally you have maybe to bro
48:15 peppers and center field, maybe Marty down the line with Duggar
48:19 kind of in that robber role.
48:20 So to have that kind of main coverage or a tight end eraser.
48:23 So pepper, sorry, I'm getting all the things in my head.
48:26 Other more being that Robert type occasionally, or maybe they switch
48:29 it up sometimes, like that would be very fun.
48:31 Last guy we've got on the list.
48:33 Mark Perry on a TCU, someone that Dane burglar actually also had on his mock
48:37 draft to someone who could be a target for the Patriots, let the people know.
48:41 What's his game, man.
48:42 This was a guy who escaped my radar a little bit.
48:45 I didn't, I didn't know much about him.
48:47 And I just, I love the fact that he's from Rancho Cucamonga, California.
48:51 That name is just so much fun to say.
48:53 So if I'm going to talk about it, this is another bigger guy.
49:01 He's six foot, 213 pounds and a very good straight line downhill player.
49:06 Like I think he's got good speed.
49:08 Good.
49:08 Uh, I think he's got decent range.
49:10 That's not necessarily his best skill in terms of being a deep, deep fielder
49:15 and safety, where he's able to change directions and cover one to the other
49:19 area, that's not necessarily, in my opinion, his, his best skills comes downhill.
49:23 Good.
49:24 Excuse me.
49:24 That was terrible.
49:25 Grammar comes downhill.
49:26 Well, and we'll tackle.
49:28 He's definitely a guy who will play more physically rent a four, four.
49:32 So he has legitimate speed and he racked up a lot of tackles, you know, in his
49:37 career, like he's a ton of, I think he played, but I'm not mistaken.
49:42 I think he played linebacker at one point, but he's racked up 233 tackles in his
49:46 career and over the, over five years, obviously he played five years in college
49:51 football, so lots, lots of tackles this last year, he had 58 and three TFL.
49:56 So he's not afraid to come down.
49:58 He's kind of a TFL machine, 15 and a half over his career too, for a safety.
50:02 So like the guy who's going to be able to contribute, it's not afraid to
50:06 come downhill and run support.
50:08 And that's really his best function is going to come downhill and tackle.
50:12 There's like zero ball production.
50:15 Zero.
50:17 He had 13 total passes, defense, and three interceptions his entire career.
50:21 And those three interceptions all came in one season in 2021, if I'm not mistaken.
50:27 I don't know.
50:28 Um, but all that's right.
50:30 He played for Colorado.
50:30 I want, he played for Colorado the first couple of years, and then he transferred
50:35 to TCU where most of his tackles came from 84 in 2022 and then 58 in 2023.
50:41 So definitely a guy that is going to be more physical is going to come
50:45 downhill and play in the box.
50:47 I like what he's able to do from, I guess at that speed versatility standpoint.
50:51 You got to find the football as a safety.
50:53 You got to be able to find the football.
50:55 Like I have to be able to put you out there and you got to be able to make
50:59 plays on the ball every now and then.
51:01 And unfortunately it's not really what you see from him.
51:03 So all, all things aside, I do think that he's going to be able
51:07 to be somebody that can learn.
51:09 You know, lots of playing at TCU in Colorado, maybe not the best defenses.
51:14 I don't know if you guys have heard of Colorado's defense, because I don't
51:17 think anyone's seen it in, I don't know, decade plus, um, and
51:21 certainly hasn't because he was on the field nearly like all of games.
51:25 So yeah, every time that he's like, I can't, I can't imagine being
51:29 Cedar Sanders in that, in that offense last year, just every single time.
51:33 I was here for like five minutes, guys.
51:36 The only time he gets to sit is literally when he's getting sacked.
51:39 He's not getting on the bench because he's not going to be
51:41 on the sideline long enough.
51:42 But that was also a lot.
51:43 So he did.
51:44 He's like, wait, guys, just like give me two seconds to rest.
51:48 Let me just regroup.
51:50 All right, let's go.
51:51 Hey ref, do you want to go like, maybe throw a flag?
51:55 And just give me a second here.
51:56 It's just, let me sit on the ground.
51:57 Sympathy timeout.
52:00 Oh man.
52:02 But back to, back to Perry here for a second.
52:05 Um, I do think he's a bit more of a reactionary safety too.
52:09 Like his, his movements aren't as smooth as you'd like.
52:12 I think he's a better straight line athlete than he has changed the
52:14 direction and trying to go make a play.
52:16 So if he's forced into coming downhill, no, maybe quickly see something
52:20 that isn't there, like play action.
52:22 He gets drugged in a little bit.
52:23 He's got more susceptibility to be beaten over the top, but he has
52:26 recovery speed to be able to negate that.
52:28 It's just more of the, the gate, you know, your hips being able to pivot
52:31 inside and then flip them back around and then transition the other way.
52:35 It's not easy to do for anybody.
52:37 And when you have that reactionary athleticism and kind of want to get
52:42 downhill quickly, sometimes it can work against you as well, but physical guy.
52:46 Is going to be, you know, I think he can be a blitzer.
52:49 You might be able to put them in the slide every now and then blitz
52:51 them because of his speed wasn't used like that at TCU to my knowledge, but.
52:55 That's just finding different ways to utilize players' strengths.
52:59 So definitely more of a sub package player and you want him downhill.
53:03 Snuffing out some screens and getting after the quarterback, I think right now
53:08 and maybe develop a little bit later.
53:10 Yeah.
53:11 And it reminds me of your bro peppers.
53:12 Like dude, his is himself a TFL machine and it's because he plays a lot of that
53:16 slot role where they let him blitz a ton like him and, and pretty Jennings.
53:20 It's just that one play where Jennings knifes inside and then your bro
53:23 peppers takes the outside and it's like, well, if the run's going this way, one
53:26 of these two guys is going to blow up the play just depends on who it is.
53:29 Uh, learned a lot, buddy.
53:31 Thank you so much for coming on educational as always, before I let you go, please
53:35 let the people know where they can find you.
53:37 What fantastic stuff you've got coming down the pipeline that we should be looking.
53:40 Oh man.
53:41 So much fun.
53:42 I, again, apologize for my.
53:44 So at sometimes sporadic Ness and not always being as prepared and off
53:49 the cuff as it feels like we're all disappointed.
53:53 I'm working on it.
53:56 I'm working on it.
53:57 I'll be more, I'll be more prepared next time.
53:59 But like yesterday on our GR football.com, I had a Javon Baker breakdown.
54:04 I have like seven wide receivers for day one and day two up at RGR football.com.
54:11 A couple of tackles as well.
54:12 And I'm always doing stuff over there.
54:15 I'll have day three guys on, on Wednesday, a couple of breakdowns for them.
54:19 Next Wednesday.
54:20 And I just had my top 10, my top five tackle list drop at NFL 33.com.
54:26 I'm going to work on running backs, interior defensive line before the draft.
54:30 Um, tonight, actually I'm recording the cover one draft podcast
54:35 with special guest, Damian Parson.
54:37 We're going to talk about some underrated players for this draft.
54:39 So that'll get dropped tomorrow.
54:41 Lots, lots, lots of stuff coming out before the draft.
54:45 And I'll be also covering it live at our jar football.com.
54:49 Lots of stuff.
54:50 Appreciate you guys.
54:52 Appreciate you having me.
54:53 Appreciate you that your bond Baker is literally at the top of my watch later
54:57 list, like the second to breathe.
54:59 I'm very excited to watch.
55:00 So guys check that out.
55:02 So actually the tackles list, very relevant for Patriots fans.
55:04 If you want to get some more insight into some guys that could potentially be
55:08 wearing the Navy red and white this year, but for now we're going to sign off y'all.
55:13 Thank you once again, Dan, appreciate you buddy.
55:15 And appreciate you all for watching.
55:17 I'll take care of yourselves.