The Bill S26E06 Keep Her Talking
The Bill S26E06 Keep Her Talking
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00:01Must be this one in the corner.
00:03I thought it was a woman that called it in.
00:05It was.
00:09Hey!
00:10I'm warning you!
00:12Open the door!
00:14Sir.
00:16She's locked me out.
00:17Who has? Your wife?
00:18Ex. She shouldn't be in here.
00:20Okay, alright. Can you stop doing that, please?
00:22We had a report there was a child left alone in the house.
00:24I nipped out to get some milk.
00:26Right, let's give you a wave of applause.
00:28Carly!
00:29Let's move back, please, sir.
00:31Move this over.
00:32Let's not help him. Let's move away.
00:34This is the police. Could you open the door, please?
00:36Are you going to arrest him?
00:37I'm not going to arrest anyone. We don't need to go there just yet.
00:40My little boy's deaf, right?
00:41She don't understand him. He don't even know her.
00:43I need to get in there.
00:44She doesn't get to see him. She doesn't have contact.
00:46She has been sectioned twice.
00:48She can't look after herself, let alone him.
00:50Carly, I need you to open the door for me, please.
00:52You left a four-year-old alone in the house. That's neglect.
00:55Right.
00:56Open the door!
00:57Right, right.
00:58Move right back, otherwise I'm going to have to nick you.
01:00You are not being helpful. Do you understand?
01:02What's your name?
01:03Alan.
01:04Right, Alan. You leave this to us. Just leave it to us.
01:07OK.
01:11Carly, Carly, I'm going to keep Alan back there.
01:14And I promise, I promise we can talk about all of this if you just open this door.
01:18No way. You're on his side.
01:20I've had enough of this. Open the door! I'm coming in!
01:23Boys down, please, sir.
01:25Get him back by the door!
01:26Right, move. Now.
01:27It's my house. I want to kick the door in, I can!
01:31Carly!
01:55No, 17. 17.
01:57I see one female with a four-year-old son and a gun.
02:00Idiot.
02:01Mate, get this road sealed off, yeah?
02:03And send the traffic lock down by our well-vent road.
02:05Oh, yeah.
02:06Start clearing all the neighbours.
02:07She's got no clear line of sight.
02:0915 down this way and 29 the other way.
02:11Cheers, mate. See you.
02:12Callum, where's Smithy?
02:14Caught. I'm holding the fort until he gets here.
02:15You up to speed?
02:16Yeah. What do we know about the gun?
02:17Leon's just trying to find out now.
02:19It's, er...
02:20The husband.
02:21He's ex-job.
02:22DS.
02:2429. That's a safe house.
02:25Good.
02:27Let me handle her. Talk her down.
02:29You stemming in is going to make things much worse.
02:31You're going to need to stay here and let us do our job right.
02:33This is DS Carter.
02:34Alan Wilcock.
02:35Max.
02:36This is getting out of hand.
02:37I agree. You were a copper?
02:38So what do I need to know?
02:40Been separated three years.
02:43No custody since Maddie was two.
02:45You the sole carer?
02:47Mrs Wilcock's got a record for drugs. Cocaine.
02:49Suspended sentence for possession, 2006.
02:52What's she using?
02:54She's on shed loads of antidepressants.
02:56Could she have come off them?
02:59Right. And what about the gun?
03:00Any idea how she could have got a hold of that?
03:03The gun? Mr Wilcock?
03:05Is there something you want to tell us about that?
03:09Is it yours?
03:11Copperscale did it last night at a club.
03:13At the crossing, Limehouse.
03:15One of my teams were at the door.
03:17Right. Do you mind telling me why he didn't hand it in?
03:20Got the gun at half eleven.
03:21Promised I'd be back by midnight.
03:23I was going to log it with you lot this morning.
03:25How many bullets?
03:28Full chamber.
03:30So 38.
03:31Five bullets left.
03:35She won't use a gun.
03:37She wouldn't.
03:38She already has, Mr Wilcock.
03:40This is the arson fire for Alan, Adam and Maddie.
03:43Leave a message and we'll call you back.
03:46Carly, this is Callum Stone. I'm one of the officers outside.
03:49I'm pretty sure you can hear this.
03:51Just pick up the phone, please.
03:57Carly, please pick up the phone.
04:00We need to know that you and Matt are all right.
04:05Need a mobile number.
04:08They're running a trace.
04:10Why hasn't the husband got it?
04:11Binda had changed his number.
04:12Apparently she was phoning him 50 times a day.
04:14It's odd that he doesn't remember a mobile number, isn't it?
04:17She could have got rid of her phone and lost it a thousand times.
04:20Mr Wilcock, when was the last time you saw Carly?
04:23Two days ago.
04:24Turned up at midnight.
04:26What sort of state was she in?
04:28Same old crap.
04:30You have no idea.
04:32Is she really that bad?
04:35I've got business to run and two kids.
04:39She walked out on Matty when he was born.
04:41What, now she wants back in?
04:43Adam's had a really tough time.
04:45He's only 15.
04:47She ain't got the right.
04:49Take your time.
04:52Sorry.
04:53No, but listen, where's Adam? Where's Adam now?
04:56At school, thank God.
04:58Nice.
04:59Yeah.
05:02Apparently Joan met Carly Wilcock back in August.
05:05She turned up at Sand Hill,
05:07making an allegation of child neglect against her husband.
05:10And?
05:11And nothing.
05:12Joan marked it as a non-starter.
05:14Get her down here.
05:15She's at lunch.
05:16The guy's chasing her out.
05:19Joan points up.
05:20We need to see it.
05:31OK.
05:32Any sign of Joan?
05:33No.
05:34I've left her three messages.
05:35Why's her phone off?
05:36Carly Wilcock was sectioned last year.
05:38She tried to take the youngest child from outside his shop.
05:41Alan Wilcock's in the security business, boss.
05:43He does it for clubs, public events, IOPs, come up clean.
05:46Right, right.
05:47Where's the fire?
05:48Remember Carly Wilcock?
05:49Lost her two kids.
05:50No.
05:51Two boys.
05:52One of them was deaf.
05:53Right, well, we've got Max on the ground.
05:54We need you down there.
05:55I'll fill you in on the way.
05:56I can't go.
05:57It's my mother's birthday.
05:58Mary, Grace, anything you've got, you're with me.
05:59Joan, let's go.
06:01Right.
06:02Joan.
06:03Yeah.
06:04Yeah, this is DC Perkins.
06:05You get that stuff I asked for.
06:10Excuse me, sir.
06:11You're going to have to walk around.
06:13She's holed up at number 17.
06:16Thank you very much.
06:17We've got an O.P. set up directly opposite.
06:24CO-19 is setting up.
06:26Is that the husband?
06:28Yeah, Leon's pushing him for a background.
06:33Max is in the O.P.
06:42We've got four units.
06:43Maintain positions.
06:44Units will break.
06:57Nice lunch.
06:59What have we got?
07:01Okay, I'm a hot tin roof.
07:12Thanks.
07:38So what's she like?
07:39Right.
07:40But quite ill, I'd say.
07:44She was obsessed with getting her kids back,
07:46but the custody case was watertight.
07:49I felt sorry for her, to be honest with you.
07:51Why'd she come in?
07:53She said that the father was neglecting the kids.
07:56And was he?
07:57Well, he was leaving the eldest at home
07:59to look after the little one.
08:01He's 15?
08:02Well, yeah, exactly.
08:03There was nothing illegal about it.
08:05What, and you sent her home?
08:06I found her some numbers for social services
08:08and put her on to some free legal advice.
08:10Now she's holding her kid hostage with a gun.
08:12She's not talking?
08:13I tried the home phone, but she won't pick up.
08:16She's talking to someone now.
08:18Get a choice.
08:19I'm on it.
08:21No, wait, hang on, she was on one.
08:34Here.
08:38Her son's here.
08:39Found him out the back on the phone.
08:40Says his mum keeps calling him.
08:41His name's Adam.
08:44This is Joe, this is Neil.
08:45They really want to help your mum.
08:47How's she sounding?
08:49Scared.
08:50Well, that's understandable.
08:52Yeah.
08:53All we want to do, Adam, is get your little brother
08:56and your mum out of there.
08:57Go then.
08:58She can see you're out here.
09:00She's not stupid.
09:02Well, you know we can't do that.
09:04Adam.
09:05I, um...
09:07I met your mum a couple of months ago.
09:10I thought she seemed really nice.
09:13Yeah.
09:14Yeah, she is.
09:16When she calls back, do you think I could talk to her?
09:19Maybe?
09:20Do you think she'd let me?
09:22She doesn't trust any of you.
09:24Why?
09:25Because your dad was a copper?
09:27Do you think you could convince her?
09:29It could be the only way that we can help her.
09:37Callum.
09:38Where's the log?
09:39In front of the van.
09:41Mr Wilcock.
09:42I'm DI Munson.
09:43Your wife has just called your son.
09:45Well, of course she has.
09:46Right now, he's the only person she'll speak to.
09:49You can't handle this.
09:50Look, you know how this works.
09:52We need to get her talking, OK?
09:53All right, so let me just see it.
09:54He's in safe hands, OK?
09:55He's in safe hands.
09:56Let's not do this.
10:02I'm sorry.
10:03I'm sorry.
10:14Here we go.
10:16I found some biscuits.
10:17My thanks.
10:19Never say no to a custard cream.
10:23Where's my dad?
10:25Just outside.
10:26He's all right about this?
10:27Yeah, of course, he understands.
10:33Here we go.
10:35Remember, you just need to try and get her to talk to me, all right?
10:38You ready?
10:43Mum?
10:45Hello, David.
10:49Mum.
10:51I've been talking to the police.
10:53They've got you, haven't they?
10:55Mum, calm down.
10:56It's all right.
10:58Mum?
11:00Mum?
11:03Mum, they're doing their best.
11:05I mean, no-one's slagging you off.
11:09There's this woman here.
11:12She said she met you.
11:13Said she should listen to you more.
11:19Her name's Jo.
11:20Said you came in to see her, but she couldn't help.
11:27Mum, please.
11:28You're in trouble.
11:29You need to talk to her.
11:31She's dead nice.
11:34Mum, don't.
11:36I can't do this.
11:43Carly, this is Jo.
11:45You've got a great lad here.
11:48I just want to talk.
11:50Is that all right?
11:52Can we do that?
11:54You wouldn't listen last time I talked to you.
11:57I know, and I'm sorry.
11:59But I am listening now.
12:05Sam, this is Bill. I know it's you.
12:07Hiya.
12:09Got full colour?
12:10Clock face round the house.
12:11Visuals in the wall rooms, except the bath.
12:15Happy sort of soul, isn't she?
12:17Best guess.
12:19She's winding up, not down.
12:20That kid's in danger.
12:22Jo thinks she can talk her out.
12:23Optimist, is she?
12:24It's got to be worth a try, hasn't it?
12:26Got something to play this on.
12:29This is footage from about a year ago.
12:31She tried to take the kid from outside the shop.
12:38Right, after this, she was sedated and sectioned.
12:42This is where we're heading.
12:49Or worse.
12:54You have to stay back, please.
12:56We've got someone clearing out the community centre.
12:58It won't be long before you can shut them down.
13:00All right, let Volters in, do they?
13:03Adam.
13:05Your mum said you used Skype to talk, yeah?
13:06My dad's not about, yeah.
13:08Right, she wants to show us something.
13:09Says we can connect if you've got your laptop with you, have you?
13:11She got hers, then?
13:12Yeah, she says so.
13:13I got mum hooked up so she can see more of Matthew.
13:16Dad doesn't know.
13:17We don't have to tell him. Come on.
13:18The password's Venger 1.
13:20Look after her, I promise.
13:22Adam!
13:23Dad!
13:24Whoa, whoa, whoa.
13:25Whoa, whoa, whoa.
13:26Hey, hey, hey.
13:27We need to get Adam out of here.
13:28Let's go, let's go.
13:30Speak to them.
13:31Find out what you can, yeah?
13:32Go.
13:36How long have you and Adam been back in touch?
13:38A few months.
13:39I meet him after school.
13:40He tells his dad he's playing football.
13:42And what do you do?
13:43Eat chips, walk by the canal.
13:47OK, we're just typing in the password now, OK?
13:50What about rooftop number?
13:51OK, I've got you, Carly.
13:52I can see you.
13:54OK.
13:55Is Matty with you?
13:56Yeah.
13:57Yeah, sweetheart.
13:58Say hello to the lady.
14:00Oh, Carly, he's lovely.
14:02Yeah.
14:03He's lovely.
14:05He's my gorgeous boy, aren't you?
14:09How are you going, Carly?
14:11I'm going to show you how Matty lives.
14:14How he's treated by his so-called caring father.
14:17Right, this is what I needed you to see.
14:20How I found him in here, crying his heart out.
14:24He was put to bed in these.
14:28He was crying so hard, that's why I brought you this.
14:31That's terrible, Carly.
14:32I dialed 999 and you did nothing.
14:36But we came to talk to you, sweetheart.
14:38You almost let him batter the door down.
14:41But we didn't, did we?
14:42OK?
14:43Now, Alex, I'm going to put you on the phone.
14:45Did we?
14:46OK?
14:47Now, Alan is being questioned.
14:50OK?
14:51Really?
14:52Really.
14:53He's back at the station now.
14:54So he's been arrested?
15:06What is wrong with you lot?
15:09Look at it!
15:11It took me half an hour to clean it up, half an hour.
15:14Do you not get it?
15:16I get it, Carly.
15:18OK?
15:20I get it.
15:22So you agree with me then?
15:26That he abuses my baby, that he's cruel.
15:31You're his mother and he needs you.
15:34I can see that.
15:42The dad says he nipped out for a pint of milk.
15:44That can't take more than five minutes, can it?
15:46No, why?
15:47Is he saying something different?
15:48Yeah.
15:49Check CCTV with him.
15:50All right.
15:52How's it going?
15:54Slowly.
15:55I'm going to stick with Joe.
15:57The lads will stay on here.
16:00Adam really wants you to come out, Carly.
16:03I can't come out.
16:05You can.
16:06Trust me, it's easy.
16:08I can't come out until this is sorted.
16:14Look, you're a bright woman.
16:16So don't patronise me!
16:18I'm not.
16:19But you have a gun.
16:21So you know that we can't just let you stay in there.
16:23So what are you going to do, shoot me?
16:25Of course not.
16:26But you've got Matty and you've got a gun.
16:29Now how does that work?
16:31Hey?
16:33It doesn't, does it?
16:34So let's solve this.
16:35Let's work out a way to get you out of there.
16:41I'm not going to hurt him.
16:44No, nobody's saying that.
16:47That's what you think.
16:49No, no, no, no, no.
16:50Oh, God.
16:53Oh, God.
16:55Oh, God.
16:59Oh, God.
17:01Oh, God.
17:05Carlo?
17:06Annie?
17:08Get a bandage out.
17:10Get a bandage out, OK?
17:13Carlo?
17:28Carlo?
17:31Shh.
17:34OK, good girl.
17:36Good girl.
17:39OK, Jo.
17:41This is good.
17:43Do you know why?
17:46Because it's power.
17:47No, no, no.
17:48It's not good.
17:50Because if you have the gun, I can't help you.
17:53It's Alan's gun, though, remember?
17:56We know that.
17:57And what does that tell you about him?
17:59That he's such a great dad, he keeps a gun in the drawer in the kitchen?
18:02And he's being questioned about it.
18:04He'll talk his way out of it.
18:06That's what he does.
18:08Don't you get it?
18:09Listen!
18:10Listen!
18:12Listen!
18:13I'll do anything, child.
18:14I'll do anything.
18:15Anything.
18:16I can help Jo get through to him.
18:17They're a breed.
18:19They stick together.
18:22They all feel sorry for Alan with his nutty ex.
18:28But I was a good mother, Jo.
18:32And you still are a good mother.
18:35You still are.
18:37I just want my children back.
18:41I know that, sweetheart.
18:43And I'm on your side, Carly.
18:47Look at me.
18:48Look at me.
18:49Look at me.
18:50I'm on your side.
18:53Do you know that?
18:57Okay.
18:59Now why don't you tell me what happened?
19:03Tell me how you got here.
19:10Sarge, how's Jo doing?
19:11What do you say? How are you getting on?
19:13Right, here he is on the corner at 12.24.
19:16Here's our father of the year buying a pint of milk.
19:19There's more.
19:22This is five minutes after he left the house.
19:25He did say he was going out for a pint, didn't he?
19:27So she's right, he left the kid for over half an hour.
19:29Unbelievable.
19:30Right, feed this through to Jo.
19:31Carly starts thinking we're on her side.
19:33She might just come out.
19:34You can have a go at him.
19:35I think I just might.
19:39You went to the pub?
19:41Yeah.
19:42Your son was screaming anywhere at the bed.
19:44That's why your ex-wife broke in while you were at the pub.
19:46He'd had a really bad night.
19:48He'd hardly slept.
19:49I only got two hours.
19:50He was in a right state.
19:52So he left him.
19:53His gran was supposed to be coming round with some milk and she didn't.
19:57So when he finally conked out, I thought I'd better go and get some.
20:00And a beer was essential, was it?
20:03I've got no excuse for that.
20:05Carly says that Messi was in a neglected state.
20:08His clothes were in a mess, caked in food.
20:13Ice cream.
20:15Adam gave him ice cream for breakfast.
20:18He got messy.
20:20Here.
20:23Thank you.
20:29This was this morning, was it?
20:30Yeah.
20:34Adam's brilliant, wasn't he?
20:36Why didn't you change his clothes?
20:38After the night he had, I was hardly going to wake him up to change him, was I?
20:42Have you left him before?
20:44No.
20:45I know this sounds crap, but this is a one-off.
20:50You can't fake that phone footage.
20:52It's still pretty shoddy.
20:53There's a lot of love there, though.
20:55Got anything yet?
20:56Yeah.
20:57Carly's solicitor claimed that Alan lied about her drugs use.
21:00She got a conviction for possession.
21:02Cocaine, four years ago.
21:03Personal use, she didn't contest it, got a suspended sentence.
21:06Go on.
21:07Alan Wilcock left the Met a year later with a clean slate.
21:10Yes, what's the bar?
21:12Six months before he left, the DPS were all over him.
21:15They accused him of taking bungs in the form of drugs.
21:18Cocaine?
21:19He was cleared, but only because they couldn't pin down a witness.
21:22When the DPS jumped Alan, Mattie would have just turned one.
21:26And Carly had severe postnatal depression.
21:28Which is when it all started.
21:30She used cocaine to escape?
21:32What, and he supplied it?
21:33He's got to be in there somewhere, hasn't he?
21:35Yeah.
21:36Where's Terry?
21:38He's following a lead.
21:49Sorry to drag you down here.
21:51I didn't want to talk in front of the others.
21:55Alan was a good cop.
21:57It's a big shame what happened.
21:59I thought he was clear.
22:02Well, come on, Ray, his kid's on the line here.
22:05Listen, life and soul of the party was Carly.
22:08Always first up to dance.
22:11Visited my wife in hospital.
22:14Really lovely girl.
22:16So what happened?
22:18Well, she wasn't the same after she had the little one.
22:22Poor Alan, he was at wit's end.
22:26You covered his back, yeah?
22:28She wasn't coping and he had two young kids.
22:31It's not surprising he tipped.
22:34Was he taking drugs?
22:37I wouldn't have backed him for that.
22:40That's what the DPS were investigating, right?
22:42Taking cocaine?
22:45Not for profit.
22:47What do you mean, he was using it?
22:50He didn't get that from me.
22:54He can happen to the best of us, mate.
22:56We all know that.
23:03Yeah, it's Terry.
23:04I've got something for Joe.
23:16And he really won't be able to talk his way out of it.
23:20We can't argue with CCTV footage, it's proof.
23:24Alan left Matty for over half an hour.
23:27Thank you.
23:29No, you don't cry.
23:32It's been two years that I've been trying to get something.
23:35And I'm sorry I should have listened to you when he came in.
23:38I should have done that.
23:40Joe, Terry, shut up.
23:44I can get you a solicitor, you know.
23:47Someone who could really help you talk to the courts.
23:51Alan's been arrested though, isn't he?
23:54We still need more, Carly.
23:56But I don't know anymore.
24:02Carly, we think that Alan was taking cocaine after Matty was born.
24:08Are we right?
24:11We are, aren't we?
24:14He never told you that?
24:16No, we worked it out.
24:19It was him, wasn't it?
24:21Him, not you.
24:26Why didn't you tell me, Carly?
24:28Because my solicitor said that it wouldn't work.
24:32That no one would believe my word against his.
24:35Why? Because he was a copper?
24:38And were you taking cocaine?
24:42So why were you arrested?
24:44They found something in the car and Alan said it was mine so he could keep his job.
24:48I went along with it.
24:51Confessed, got a suspended sentence, thought it didn't matter.
24:56We thought that it was a good result.
25:00Oh my God, you did that for Alan?
25:03I still lost him.
25:05You had post-mortem depression, Carly. It's not your fault.
25:09Couldn't even get out of bed.
25:13Couldn't stop crying.
25:16But Alan, he...
25:19He was brilliant. He did everything.
25:21The night feeds the lie. He was...
25:24really, really lovely.
25:30But he wanted rid of me.
25:33He...
25:35He used the drug thing against me.
25:39And he took my boys.
25:45I'm so sorry, Carly.
25:50They have to review custody now.
25:52Really?
25:53You've got a very strong case.
25:55Oh, thank you.
25:57But you know what?
25:59You and Matty stuck in there with a gun
26:02doesn't look good, does it?
26:04But it's Alan's gun.
26:06So then it's not your fault, is it?
26:09But it is if you stay in there.
26:18Will you come out, Carly?
26:21Are you ready?
26:25You promise it'll be OK?
26:28Alan made you lie about those drugs and that is against the law.
26:32So you come out
26:34and together we'll tell the whole world.
26:38OK?
26:46OK, Carly, we need to get that gun.
26:48So this is what we're going to do.
26:51Do it.
26:55She's coming out.
26:58Lil, leave the area carpool on the side, yeah?
27:01She trusts me.
27:02You're not thinking straight.
27:03Don't you patronise me.
27:04All I do is stand out there and she walks towards me.
27:06I said she's got to go.
27:07So I wear her vest.
27:08Oh, come on, Mag, she's not going to shoot me, is she?
27:10Yeah, we're ready.
27:11Anything could freak her out. Why can't you see that?
27:13Exactly, that's precisely why you're staying here.
27:15Uh, she's waiting.
27:16Yeah, yeah.
27:22PHONE RINGS
27:23Hi, Carly.
27:26You all set?
27:27I think so.
27:28OK. Are you at the door?
27:30Yeah.
27:32Do you have the gun?
27:33Yes.
27:34Oh, no, Matty, look, sweetheart, look, darling.
27:39I'm going to go out now, OK?
27:41He's a good boy.
27:42Carly, is Matty with you?
27:44I'm not leaving him.
27:45It won't be for long, just a few minutes at most.
27:47I'm not leaving him.
27:49He's got a snake in the house.
27:50Go, go.
27:51Beautiful, beautiful boy.
27:54It's all right, darling, it's all right.
27:56You hold on to Mummy.
27:58Sit there, you hold on to Mummy.
28:00Good boy.
28:02Good boy.
28:03OK, Carly, let's do this, shall we?
28:05All you have to do is open that door and walk out.
28:08But when you do, you must hold that gun out, away from you.
28:12Do you understand me?
28:16Yes.
28:18OK, we're nearly there.
28:20You can do this, I know you can.
28:22OK, that's it, that's it.
28:46That's it, that's it, that's it, that's it.
28:49Stay away!
28:52Put the gun down, Carly.
28:54Okay, that's brilliant, Carla.
28:55Now all you need to do is walk out
28:57and do what the officer tells you to do.
28:59Put the gun down, Carly.
29:01Put the gun down, Carly.
29:03You need to put the gun down now.
29:05She's got it.
29:08Put the gun down, Carly.
29:10You need to put the gun down now.
29:16Put the gun down.
29:21Hands up, don't move.
29:22You got any more suggestions?
29:23Right decision, was it?
29:25Oh, come on.
29:25If I'd been out there, she'd be safe.
29:27Or you'd be dead.
29:27No, I'd have got her back.
29:28She's got a gun, Jo, it's a no-brainer.
29:30So is this, she's just a mother who wants to see her kid.
29:32You can't stay calm and detached, you can't do your job.
29:34Oh, well that depends on if I'm the job.
29:36All right, that's enough.
29:36That, that is enough, both of you.
29:39Thank you.
29:42I should have been there for her.
29:43You've got to let it go.
29:44What matters now is getting her back.
29:46And how do we do that?
29:48Well, the video link's still open.
30:00I'm really sorry, Carly.
30:05Please, Carly, come back and talk.
30:15Yeah!
30:28There's no news.
30:31He thinks this was his fault.
30:34Why is that?
30:36Well, she's been bugging him for days.
30:39What about?
30:41I said I'd see her once a week
30:43if she stayed away from the house.
30:48I was trying to keep her happy.
30:51Didn't the Skype do that?
30:54It made it worse.
30:55She wants to see Matty for real.
30:58So that's why she came to the house today.
31:04Adam, your mother's clinic is closed.
31:08Adam, your mother's clinically depressed.
31:11She needs help.
31:12That's not your fault.
31:14None of this is your fault.
31:22Send everyone down to community centre.
31:24Callum.
31:25Excuse me.
31:26Yeah, sorry I'm late.
31:27Barrister wouldn't shut up.
31:28What have we got?
31:29Right, she's holed up in number 17.
31:31Sit there in the corner.
31:32Got it.
31:34Please, everyone, move right back.
31:36What made her go back inside the house?
31:38The boy freaked when he saw CO-19.
31:40That's all right, Joe's got her back.
31:42I'm really sorry, Carly.
31:46We can still get the custody case reopened.
31:49You can get the boys back.
31:52If I go out, they'll jump on me.
31:55No, no, no, we'll listen to you, just like I am now.
31:59You said that last time.
32:02She tried to get the baby back.
32:04She was sexually...
32:05She tried to be in the dark.
32:08Matty was screaming.
32:10That must have been awful, Carly.
32:13Just awful.
32:16Is that when you were sexually, sweetheart?
32:19I'll do it again.
32:23You know what?
32:24I will try and get you access to those children,
32:27but you don't have to trust me.
32:30I can't do this.
32:31Yes, you can.
32:32Matty, I think...
32:34Is Matty all right, Carly?
32:41He's my only baby and I don't know him.
32:44I can't make him understand me.
32:46I made him some toast.
32:48He threw it on the floor.
32:49He keeps saying he wants his daddy.
32:55Carly, we're trying to get proof
32:57that Alan lied about the drugs.
33:01Are you listening to me, Carly?
33:03I believe that Alan lied to get those boys.
33:08But she can't.
33:18I'm going to birth Matty.
33:21I've been looking forward to it.
33:22It's been two years since...
33:24OK, Carly, that's great.
33:26I'll just wait here for you, yeah?
33:30No, that's it.
33:33I'm going to birth Matty one last bedtime.
33:36OK, Carly, please, you need to give me some water.
33:38No.
33:40No.
33:43Like I said, it's Matty's birth time.
33:49Come back here, Carly.
33:50I can't, sweetheart.
33:52I'm hungry.
33:54OK, let's have gut reactions.
33:56She's in a state.
33:57She could do anything to herself or the kid.
33:58No, she just wants to give her son a bath.
34:00You heard her.
34:01She's been looking forward to it.
34:03I'm going now, surprise her.
34:04No, bathroom's too small.
34:05It's too risky.
34:06Jo's right.
34:07Small room like that's her worst nightmare.
34:09The kid could get hurt.
34:11OK, so what do we do after the bath?
34:12I'll talk to her.
34:14Can we offer her anything?
34:15Anything that's going to wind her in our direction?
34:18All that girl wants is access to her kids.
34:23So we have to get the old man to agree to that?
34:25It's going to be a long shot.
34:26Yeah, but it's worth a go.
34:27I'm getting him.
34:28Yeah, drag him down if you have to.
34:31OK, the bath's going to take, what, half an hour?
34:33At most.
34:34Right.
34:35When she comes...
34:36PHONE RINGS
34:36Sorry, hang on.
34:38Terry, have you got anything?
34:39Yeah, I might have.
34:40Go on.
34:41Well, the whole of the DPS's case
34:44relied on Alan Wilcox's informant
34:46dishing dirt on his drug abuse.
34:48Lee Tyson was a dealer, but she wouldn't play ball.
34:51Well, she wouldn't help us then.
34:52Why's she going to help us now?
34:53Oh, you know, she's clean.
34:54She's got a kid.
34:56What's the address?
34:57Um, Darrow Road.
34:59OK, look, Terry might have something.
35:02I'm going to check it out, OK?
35:04Yeah.
35:09You OK?
35:10I'm not sure I can do this.
35:13Since when have you been lost for words?
35:18So when she comes back,
35:21you'll talk to her?
35:30MUSIC PLAYS
35:40Car's waiting, Mr Wilcox.
35:43We've got minutes, Alan.
35:45Hey, Dad, please.
35:46It's all right, it's going to be all right, OK?
35:48I'll stay with Adam.
35:49Dad, I'm going.
35:50Hey, no, you can't.
35:52I'm really sorry, Adam.
35:54You really can't.
35:59What, is it 69th?
36:00Yeah.
36:04Here.
36:09Lee Tyson.
36:10I'm D.I. Manson.
36:11This is D.C. Perkins.
36:12We need to talk to you.
36:13Sorry, I'm on my way out.
36:14It's important.
36:15What, a matter of life or death, is it?
36:16Actually, yeah, it could be.
36:20CHILD LAUGHS
36:29CHILD LAUGHS
36:35Has she got both boys in there?
36:37The younger one.
36:39This has got nothing to do with me.
36:41Well, nobody's saying it is.
36:43So what good's me talking about stuff from years back?
36:46Alan Wilcox used his wife's drug arrest
36:49to get custody of the kids.
36:51If we can prove that he lied,
36:53it might give us something to take to court.
36:55It might bring her out.
36:57What's Alan saying?
37:03I'm sorry.
37:04I can't help you then.
37:05Look, there's a child's life at risk here.
37:07If Alan's not giving you anything, then I'm not either.
37:10What's his hold he's got on you, eh?
37:13Is he threatening you?
37:14Cos we can protect you.
37:19That's Bobby.
37:21He's Alan's son.
37:24Alan's the only one who's stood by me.
37:26He got me clean and he's a good dad.
37:29He looks after us.
37:31Yeah, well, right now there's a little boy about his age
37:35being held hostage.
37:41Bobby's the only kid I care about.
37:44And I'm hardly going to lose him as dad now, am I?
37:47You're all over her, yeah?
37:49So wait until she's clear of him and then get him out.
37:52You know how risky that is.
37:54My son is what is important.
37:56What about Carly?
37:57Look, all she wants is access to her boys, right?
38:00Yeah, well, it ain't that simple.
38:01Why isn't it?
38:02Joe.
38:03Carly took a drugs rack for you.
38:04Never proven.
38:05Wouldn't take us long.
38:06We've already spent some of your old mates.
38:08You use that drugs rack.
38:10I don't.
38:11I don't.
38:12I don't.
38:13I don't.
38:14I don't.
38:15I don't.
38:16You used that drug conviction against her in court.
38:18Yeah, I did.
38:19I did that for my boys.
38:20Please don't play the same.
38:21Meaning?
38:22Meaning we know about your other son.
38:27Yeah, I know I've made mistakes.
38:29I'm paying for it.
38:30I'm not quite there yet, but I can hold my head up.
38:32Really?
38:33Yeah, really.
38:36Adam's met him a few times.
38:38When Matt is old enough and ready, he will too.
38:40What about Carly?
38:42She's gone.
38:43Far as I'm concerned.
38:44Long gone.
38:46I know how you feel about her.
38:47She's a constant...
38:48Do you know why Matt is deaf?
38:49Do you know why he's deaf?
38:50She did it.
38:51Last time I let her back, she did it.
38:53Off her head on pills.
38:55Crashed the car 50 miles an hour into a brick wall with him in the back.
38:58Forgot to strap him in.
39:00Yeah, she was sick.
39:02And then she hid behind it.
39:04I can't forgive that.
39:05She's getting him out of the bath.
39:09Barker, you want to get your son back unarmed, right?
39:12Then you tell her that she can have access.
39:14She's got no choice.
39:15It's all right, let's do it.
39:16Right, go.
39:22Yes, sweetheart.
39:24It's the traumas.
39:25All of them are related.
39:27All of them are.
39:29Everything's the same.
39:36One second, yeah.
39:38Okay.
39:39One second.
39:40Okay.
39:41One second.
39:42Okay.
39:45Stay quiet.
39:46Follow Jo's lead.
39:47We're only going to use you if we need to, understand?
39:49Yeah.
39:50Yeah.
39:51I tell you what, why don't I go and get Ben?
39:54Maybe Ben can help us, yeah?
39:57All right, Dad.
40:01Carly, I've got some really good news.
40:04Alan's agreed to let you see the boys.
40:07He's agreed to give you access.
40:09You can never trust him.
40:11He lies.
40:12Not this time, Carly.
40:13I think you won.
40:14I honestly think that you've won.
40:17Whatever he says, he'll go back on it.
40:19It's what he does.
40:21Okay, what if I get Alan to say it?
40:25To agree to the access in front of me so you've got a witness?
40:28Could that work?
40:32It won't.
40:34He's here, Carly.
40:44You all right, girl?
40:46How's Matty?
40:47Is Matty okay?
40:49He's all right now, thanks to you.
40:51Don't worry about it.
40:52Tell Carly what you just told us, please.
40:54Listen, I've agreed so you can have access.
40:57You can see the boys wherever.
40:58As soon as you come out of here, you can see the boys.
41:01See, Carly, I told you.
41:04He's lying.
41:05Please, Carly.
41:07Both of you, come out of there.
41:08Now, that's on tape, Carly, okay?
41:10Three police officers.
41:12Now, that's on tape, Carly, okay?
41:14Three policemen have heard that, okay?
41:16Hey, Matty.
41:18Hey, Matty.
41:19Hey.
41:20I want my daddy.
41:22Oh, Matt.
41:23You went for your bath?
41:25I want my daddy.
41:27Don't worry, darling.
41:29Daddy'll be home soon, yeah?
41:31Matty.
41:32Don't worry.
41:33Matty.
41:34Daddy'll be home soon.
41:35Matty.
41:36I think he's just tired, Carly.
41:37That's all.
41:38He's just tired.
41:39She's right, Carly.
41:40You know that.
41:41You tried to make him hate me.
41:42No, I didn't.
41:43You tried to make him hate me.
41:44I didn't.
41:45You tried to make him hate me.
41:46No, I didn't.
41:48Oh, God!
41:49I'm out of here.
41:50Daddy!
41:51Carly.
41:52Okay, Carly.
41:53I need you to tell me what you're thinking.
42:00Carly, Alan's gone.
42:01It's just you and me.
42:04Okay, Carly, now, this is important for your own safety.
42:06I need you to put that gun down and keep talking to me.
42:10I want to keep my baby.
42:13I want to keep my baby.
42:16Keep talking, Carly, please.
42:18I want to keep my baby.
42:21She's shot in the curves.
42:22All units proceed.
42:23I repeat, all units proceed.
42:25Get out!
42:26Get out!
42:27Get out!
42:28Get out!
42:29Get out!
42:30I'm going to kill you!
42:31Get out!
42:32Get out!
42:33Get out!
42:34Get out!
42:35Get out!
42:36Get out!
42:37Get out!
42:38Get out!
42:40We'll talk.
42:41We'll talk.
42:42Matt, he's safe.
42:43Matt, he's safe.
42:44Matt, he's safe.
42:45Listen, he was in another room.
42:46He didn't see any of it.
42:50She dead?
42:54Yeah.
43:02It's okay.
43:03You did everything.
43:05Everything you could.
43:06I should have gone to her.
43:07You should have let me go to her.
43:08No, Jo.
43:11You did this.
43:13You did this.
43:28Let's get your books out of me.
43:38Get out!
43:39Get out!
43:40Get out!
43:41Get out!
43:42Get out!
43:43Get out!
43:44Get out!
43:45Get out!
43:46Get out!
43:47Get out!
43:48Get out!
43:49Get out!
43:50Get out!
43:51Get out!
43:52Get out!
43:53Get out!
43:54Get out!
43:55Get out!
43:56Get out!
43:57Get out!
43:58Get out!
43:59Get out!
44:00Get out!
44:01Get out!
44:02Get out!
44:03Get out!
44:04Get out!
44:05Get out!
44:06Get out!
44:07Get out!
44:13Jo!
44:25You were right to stop me going to her.
44:31What happened, it isn't your fault.
44:33It's the job, it's what we do.
44:35And you're good at it.
44:41Is that what you came out to say?
44:47Carly Wilcox is dead, Max.
44:50If I'm so good at my job...
44:57See you tomorrow.
44:59See you tomorrow.
45:13Shut your mouth, woman!
45:14Oi!
45:15You listen to me!
45:16Oi!
45:17He's one of your lot, Sergeant Stone.
45:19Have you got a suspect?
45:21Yes, and that's all I'm saying.
45:23Please tell me that's not really Tim Hardacre lying there.
45:25Alright, listen, I want this done by the book.
45:27It's the summer, we don't want to go.
45:29What did I say that you didn't understand, man?
45:31How do you sleep at night?
45:32I sleep fine.
45:57You
46:19It must be this one in the corner.
46:21I thought it was a woman that called it in.
46:23It was.
46:27Carly!
46:29I'm warning you!
46:30Open the door!
46:33Sir.
46:35She's locked me out.
46:36Who has, your wife?
46:37Ex.
46:38She shouldn't be in here.
46:39Okay, alright.
46:40Can you stop doing that, please?
46:41We had a report there was a child left alone in the house.
46:43I nipped out to get some milk.
46:45Right, let's move you away from the front door.
46:46Is this Wilcox?
46:47Carly!
46:48Move back, please, sir.
46:49Is this Wilcox?
46:50Move this over.
46:51Carly, Carly.
46:52This is the police.
46:53Could you open the door, please?
46:54Are you going to arrest him?
46:55I'm not going to arrest anyone.
46:56We don't need to go there.
46:57Just look.
46:58My little boy's deaf, right?
46:59She don't understand him.
47:00He don't even know her.
47:01I need to get in here.
47:02She doesn't get to see him.
47:03She doesn't have contact.
47:04She has been sectioned twice.
47:05She can't look after herself.
47:06Let her alone.
47:07Okay, Carly.
47:08Carly, Carly.
47:09I need you to open the door for me, please.
47:10You left a four-year-old alone in the house.
47:12That's neglect.
47:13Right.
47:14Open the door!
47:15Right, right.
47:16Move right back.
47:17Otherwise, I'm going to have to nick you.
47:18You are not being helpful.
47:19Do you understand?
47:20What's your name?
47:21Alan.
47:22Alan.
47:23Right, Alan.
47:24You leave this to us.
47:26Okay.
47:30Carly.
47:31Carly.
47:32I'm going to keep Alan back there.
47:33And I promise.
47:34I promise we can talk about all of this if you just open this door.
47:37No way.
47:38You're on his side.
47:39I've had enough of this.
47:40Open the door!
47:41I'm coming in!
47:42Boys down, please, sir.
47:43Will you get him back by the door?
47:44Right, move.
47:45Now.
47:46My ass.
47:47I want to kick the door in.
47:48I can!
47:49Carly!
47:56No.
47:5917.
48:0217.
48:05I see one female with a four year old son and a gun.
48:18No.
48:19Get this road sealed off, yeah?
48:20And send the traffic off round World Bank Road.
48:21Oh, yeah.
48:22There's a traffic lock around Wellbent Road.
48:24Oh yeah, you start clearing all the neighbours.
48:26She's got no clear line of sight.
48:2715 down this way and 29 the other way.
48:30Cheers, mate, see you.
48:31Callum, where's Smithy?
48:32Caught, I'm holding 40 to get to her.
48:34You up to speed?
48:35Yeah, what do we know about the gun?
48:36Leon's just trying to find out now.
48:38It's the husband.
48:40He's ex-job, DS.
48:4229, that's the safe house.
48:43Good.
48:45Look, man, talk her down.
48:47Some of you stepping in is gonna make things much worse.
48:49You're gonna need to stay here and let us do our job, right?
48:51This is DS Carter, Alan Wilcock.
48:52Max.
48:53She's getting out of hand.
48:54I agree.
48:55You were a copper?
48:57Towards 189.
48:58We've been separated three years.
49:01I've had custody since Maddie was two.
49:03You the sole carer?
49:05Mrs. Wilcock's got a record for drugs, Coco.
49:07Suspended sentence for possession, 2006.
49:10She still using?
49:12She's on shed loads of antidepressants.
49:14Could she come off with?
49:17Right, and what about the gun?
49:18Any idea how she could've got a hold of it?
49:21The gun, Mr. Wilcock?
49:23Is there something you want to tell us about that?
49:27Is it yours?
49:29Copperscaled it last night at a club,
49:30at a cross in Limehouse.
49:32One of my teams ran the door.
49:35Right, do you mind telling me why he didn't hand it in?
49:38Got the gun at half 11,
49:39promised I'd be back by midnight.
49:42I was gonna log it with you lot this morning.
49:44How many bullets?
49:47Four chamber, so 38.
49:49Five bullets left.
49:53She won't use a gun.
49:55She wouldn't.
49:56She already has, Mr. Wilcock.
49:58This is the arson fire for Alan, Adam and Maddie.
50:01Leave a message and we'll call you back.
50:04Carly, this is Callum Stone.
50:06I'm one of the officers outside.
50:07I'm pretty sure you can hear this.
50:10Just pick up the phone, please.
50:16Carly, please pick up the phone.
50:18We need to know that you and Matt are all right.
50:24Need a mobile number.
50:26They're running a trace.
50:28Why hasn't the husband got it?
50:29Binda had changed his number.
50:30Apparently she was phoning him 50 times a day.
50:32It's odd that he doesn't remember a mobile number,
50:34wouldn't it?
50:34All that bit rings true.
50:35If he'd raised the drug,
50:36she could have got rid of her phone
50:37and lost it a thousand times.
50:38Mr. Wilcock, when was the last time you saw Carly?
50:41Two days ago.
50:42Turned up at midnight.
50:44What sort of state was she in?
50:46Same old crap.
50:48You have no idea.
50:50Is she really that bad?
50:53I've got business to run and two kids.
50:57She walked out on Matty when he was born.
50:59What, now she wants back in?
51:01Adam's had a really tough time.
51:03He's only 15.
51:06She ain't got the right...
51:13Callum, where's the log?
51:15In front of the van, Gavin.
51:16Mr. Wilcock, I'm D.I. Manson.
51:19Your wife has just called your son.
51:20Well, of course she has.
51:21Right now, he's the only person she'll speak to.
51:24You can't handle this.
51:25Look, you know how this works.
51:27We need to get her talking, okay?
51:28All right, so let me just see it.
51:29He's in safe hands, okay?
51:30He's in safe hands.
51:31Let's not do this.
51:33INDISTINCT CONVERSATION
51:44Here we go.
51:45I found some biscuits.
51:47My thanks.
51:49Never say no to a custard cream.
51:53Where's my dad?
51:55Just outside.
51:56He's all right about this?
51:57Yeah, of course. He understands.
52:03Here we go.
52:05Remember, you just need to try and get her to talk to me, alright?
52:08You ready?
52:13Mum?
52:15Hello, David.
52:19Mum.
52:21I've been talking to the police.
52:23They've got you, haven't they?
52:25Mum, calm down. It's alright.
52:28Mum?
52:32Mum, they're doing their best.
52:34I mean, no-one's slagging you off.
52:39There's this woman here.
52:41She said she met you.
52:42Said she should listen to you more.
52:48Her name's Jo.
52:49Said you came in to see her, but she couldn't help.
52:56Mum, please.
52:58You're in trouble.
52:59You need to talk to her.
53:00She's dead nice.
53:03Mum, don't.
53:05I can't do this.
53:12Carly, this is Jo.
53:14You've got a great lad here.
53:17I just want to talk.
53:20Is that alright?
53:21Can we do that?
53:24You wouldn't listen last time I talked to you.
53:27I know, and I'm sorry.
53:31Mum.
53:55So what's she like?
53:57Bright, but...
53:59Quite ill, I'd say.
54:01She was obsessed with getting her kids back,
54:03but the custody case was watertight.
54:06I felt sorry for her, to be honest with you.
54:08Why'd she come in?
54:10She said that the father was neglecting the kids.
54:13And was he?
54:15Well, he was leaving the eldest at home
54:16to look after the little one.
54:18He's 15?
54:19Well, yeah, exactly.
54:20There was nothing illegal about it.
54:22What, and you sent her home?
54:23I found her some numbers for social services
54:25and I put her onto some free legal advice.
54:27Now she's holding her kid hostage with a gun.
54:29She's not talking?
54:30I tried the home phone, but she won't pick up.
54:34She's talking to someone now.
54:35Get her twice.
54:36I'm on it.
54:39No, wait, I know she's on one.
54:52Here.
54:54Her son's here.
54:55Found him out the back on the phone.
54:56Says his mum keeps calling him.
54:57His name's Adam.
55:00Adam, this is Joe, this is Neil.
55:02They really want to help your mum.
55:04How's she sounding?
55:06Scared.
55:07Well, that's understandable.
55:09Yeah.
55:10All we want to do, Adam,
55:11is get your little brother and your mum out of there.
55:14Go then.
55:15She can see you're out here.
55:17She's not stupid.
55:18Well, you know we can't do that.
55:20Adam.
55:21Adam.
55:23I, um...
55:25I met your mum a couple of months ago.
55:28I thought she seemed really nice.
55:31Yeah.
55:32Yeah, she is.
55:34When she calls back, do you think I could talk to her?
55:37Maybe?
55:38Do you think she'd let me?
55:40She doesn't trust any of you.
55:42Why?
55:43Because your dad was a copper?
55:45Do you think you could convince her?
55:48It could be the only way that we can help her.
55:52Right.
55:54Take your time.
55:57Sorry.
55:58No, but listen, where's Adam?
55:59Where's Adam now?
56:00At school, thank God.
56:03Nice.
56:04Yeah.
56:06Apparently, Joe met Carly Wilcott back in August.
56:09She turned up at Sand Hill
56:11making an allegation of child neglect against her husband.
56:14And?
56:15And nothing.
56:16Joe marked it as a non-starter.
56:18Get down here.
56:19She's at lunch.
56:20The guy's chasing her out.
56:35OK.
56:36Any sign of Jill?
56:37No.
56:38I've left her three messages.
56:39Why's her phone off?
56:40Carly Wilcott was sectioned last year.
56:42She tried to take the youngest child from outside his shop.
56:45Alan Wilcott's in the security business, boss.
56:47He does it for clubs, public events, IOPs, come up clean.
56:50Right, right.
56:51Where's the fire?
56:52Remember Carly Wilcott?
56:53Lost her two kids.
56:54No.
56:55Two boys.
56:56One of them was deaf.
56:57Right, well, we've got Max on the ground.
56:59We need you down there.
57:00I'll fill you in on the way.
57:01I can't go.
57:02It's my mother's birthday.
57:03I can't go.
57:04Anything you've got, you're with me.
57:05Joe, let's go.
57:06Right.
57:07Joe.
57:08Yeah.
57:09Yeah, this is DC Purpose.
57:10You get that stuff I asked for.
57:15Excuse me, sir.
57:17You have to walk around.
57:19She's holed up at number 17.
57:22Thank you very much.
57:23We've got an O.P. set up directly opposite.
57:29CO-19 is setting up.
57:32Is that the husband?
57:34Yeah, Leon's pushing him for a background.
57:38Max is in the O.P.
57:46Right.
58:05Nice lunch.
58:07What have we got?
58:09A can on a hot tin roof.
58:16Thank you.