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00:00:00Cedric Maxwell Podcast is powered by Price Picks, the exclusive daily fantasy partner
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00:00:18Welcome to Cedric Maxwell Podcast, he is Cedric Maxwell, I am Josue Pobon, and we told you
00:00:24we had surprises, right Max?
00:00:25We told them, we got some surprise guests that they're not going to believe we pulled
00:00:31off and this is, we didn't miss this time, this is one of them man, legendary journalist,
00:00:36ESPN's host of First Take, also host of the Stephen A. Smith Show on YouTube, which I
00:00:43personally enjoy myself man, he's Stephen A. Smith, welcome to the Cedric Maxwell Podcast
00:00:47Stephen A., we appreciate you.
00:00:48What's going on man, how you doing man, you okay my man?
00:00:49I mean it's hazardous to your health to be working with this brother Cedric Maxwell,
00:00:54you know what I'm saying, I want to make sure that you're okay, I want to make sure
00:00:57that you're alright man, I mean that's a lot for a youngster to be connected to, you know
00:01:01what I'm saying?
00:01:02Look, you know what, we don't come off the rip right now, we don't come off the rip right
00:01:09now and ask you, what the hell is this stuff going on with you and Charles Barkley, because
00:01:13I know y'all boys, but it just looks like some stuff going on.
00:01:18Oh man, listen, I loved it man, it was my first time I was ever on TNT, Man Shack, and
00:01:23it was beautiful, he got me real good, Barkley was getting at me and what have you, but this
00:01:27is how they do it, they text me with this stuff on, they're like you, I mean it's like
00:01:31people see you and I together and stuff like that, how we always get into it, I'm like
00:01:35it's nothing different than how the man treats me every time he talks to me, I mean it's
00:01:39just the way it is, these are my boys, so it was good, it's a lot of fun man, you know
00:01:44my big bros getting on me the way y'all do, it's hilarious man, it's all good.
00:01:49I happened to run up on him, he was doing this take last year in Miami and he was going
00:01:54back and forth, he's like, you know Marcus, I got problems right now, the Celtics are
00:01:59winning, but look the way they're winning, and he's right in the middle of his broadcast
00:02:03and I run into him and I'm like, how about them damn Celtics, and he looked at me like,
00:02:08are you serious?
00:02:09I can't believe you man, I can't believe, he damn sure did it, right while I was on
00:02:14the air, on the air, there's no decorum whatsoever, I'm like, look y'all, it's my man Corbett,
00:02:20I mean that's what he's going to do, just get over it, just get over it.
00:02:25He's about that life, that's right, well my question to you off the bat man is, what does
00:02:32Cedric Maxwell mean to you in the sense of watching him as a player, what I mean by that
00:02:37is, did he piss you off, or would you cheer for him, which one were you?
00:02:42I'm the kind of person I would cheer for somebody like that, because I like somebody
00:02:45that you know, that's going to talk and then that's going to back it up, you know I grew
00:02:49up and it wasn't necessarily that I was a 76ers fan, but I was a junior serving fan,
00:02:53I was a Dr. J, the Dr. J, when Brett Musgrover was calling the games, and so I would remember
00:03:00when they're playing the Celtics and Corbett would be like, it's over, it's over, it ain't
00:03:05coming back, it ain't coming back, it ain't coming back, I ain't worried about it, you
00:03:08know, I'd be like, damn, but then he'd go out on the court with Bird and the rest of
00:03:12the crew and they'd back it up, and so I'm one of those guys that I always respect that
00:03:17as a pundit and as a journalist and all of that, you know, I don't care about the talking
00:03:23as long as you're going to back it up, as long as you're not going to be a punk and
00:03:26deviate from the kind of things that you said, you know, keep that same energy, if you're
00:03:31going to have that kind of energy when you're talking about somebody, when you get on the
00:03:34court, make sure you back it up, and he was one of those people, and he spoke up not just
00:03:39on behalf of himself, but his teammates, and sure enough, his teammates would respond,
00:03:43so you always have to give props to that, because to me, that's what champions are made
00:03:47of, and when we talk about today's NBA culture and a softness that comes along with it, we're
00:03:52not talking about physically, we're not talking about guys who aren't big, who aren't strong,
00:03:57who aren't fast, or anything like that, we understand the game has evolved, athletics
00:04:01have evolved, a lot of them are better and superior than what we saw back in the day,
00:04:06but something set the standard, everything grows from something, and so for me, you know,
00:04:11when you see the good old days, as I call it, old school, and cats had to have a lot
00:04:17of heart, you didn't just have to have skill, you had to have a lot of heart, when I think
00:04:21this is the first generation where it's not necessarily the player's fault, but there's
00:04:25been a softening mentally, mentally, of things, how sensitive you are to skepticism.
00:04:33You're sensitive, man, you're a sensitive man, yeah.
00:04:36Yeah, exactly, all of that shit, I'm like, you know, this is some bullshit, I mean, it
00:04:40really, it would really, it really drives me crazy, because I think cats like Sed and
00:04:45others have every right to lament the absence of intestinal fortitude and mental toughness
00:04:53that we see in today's game where guys are so, back in the day, if you sat up there and
00:04:57you was insulting the Sed and all of them, they know who you are, they might say something
00:05:01to you before the game, but they damn sure looking for you after the game when they prove
00:05:05you wrong, you see what I'm saying?
00:05:07And that's how, that's as far as it went, you got guys here that might not talk to you
00:05:11for years, because you pointed out a fact that's indisputable, that can't be disputed,
00:05:18and you're just looking at them, it's like, damn, you need to grow up, but that's what
00:05:22happened to today's generation of players, and that's unfortunate.
00:05:26Well, isn't, isn't, let me ask you this, isn't Draymond Green a kind of throwback
00:05:31to that time?
00:05:32And you know, I had my bouts with him, but I still look at him as one of those guys who
00:05:37would cross the line to win first team.
00:05:40Yes, I agree with that, but also, I know him personally, and because we talk a lot,
00:05:45and from a mental perspective, if Draymond got an issue with you, Draymond gonna tell you.
00:05:52He's gonna search you out, he'll find you, and he'll let you know what he thinks about
00:05:57what you said, and being in our position, you cannot, you cannot find fault with that.
00:06:03Anybody that wants to talk to me based off of something that I've said, I'm all ears.
00:06:09I will listen, I will have a conversation with them, and damn it, if they wrong, I'll
00:06:12admit it.
00:06:13And if I said something wrong publicly, I'm gonna admit it publicly, and I'm gonna correct
00:06:19myself publicly.
00:06:20I'm not gonna do something publicly, and then all of a sudden, I'm wrong, and then I'm gonna
00:06:23go hide, and then privately, I'll admit I'm wrong, but I'm gonna hold the court publicly.
00:06:28No, no, you gotta man up, like, yo, you got a good point.
00:06:30He got me there, what have you.
00:06:32And Draymond's one of those people that will hold you accountable.
00:06:35CP3 is one of those people that will hold you accountable and stuff like that.
00:06:40So I appreciate that old school mentality when it comes to that.
00:06:44Again, athletes back in the day were sensitive.
00:06:47I'm not saying that wasn't the case.
00:06:49It's just that they didn't hold the grudge and hate you for life and never said anything
00:06:53to you.
00:06:54They literally confront you and be like, yo, here's where you got this wrong.
00:06:58You didn't know what you're talking about.
00:06:59You got this wrong.
00:07:00This is what was the truth, et cetera, et cetera.
00:07:03And when you deal with that stuff on a manhood level, then it's a lot easier to respect the
00:07:10fact that you recognize tradition and what comes with it instead of capitulating to the
00:07:15new school way of thinking where you've got to be soft mentally and you got to hold on
00:07:19to stuff you don't need to be holding on to and walking around with unnecessary grudges
00:07:24over things that are relatively small that you gave a life of its own just because of
00:07:28your heightened level of sensitivity.
00:07:30You know what?
00:07:30I have to say that you're totally correct in Draymond's case because he searched me
00:07:35out.
00:07:36He found me in the playoffs.
00:07:37He found me.
00:07:38Your guy Joe Sway was sitting there and he came to me.
00:07:41I was talking to Gary Payton.
00:07:43He's like, man, I heard something that you he he told Gary Payton not to talk to me,
00:07:48but I said, you got something to say to me?
00:07:50And he said, no, I ain't get.
00:07:51And then we went to the back and he was like, this is what you say.
00:07:55You said that somebody would knock me out.
00:07:58I didn't say that.
00:07:59He said, I didn't say what I said.
00:08:02If you were in the league, I said, you would get knocked the fuck out because during that
00:08:07time they wouldn't allowed you to walk in somebody else's hubble.
00:08:10But I did respect him for exactly what you said for him coming to me and saying, hey,
00:08:17this is how I feel.
00:08:18Now, I really respected that.
00:08:20Now, let me ask you this before I let Joe Sway go.
00:08:24I'm a cowboy fan.
00:08:26I need to lament with you.
00:08:28My condolences.
00:08:34He's going to be all right.
00:08:35You in Boston.
00:08:36What the hell are you doing being a cowboy?
00:08:39You went to UNC Charlotte.
00:08:40What the hell is going on?
00:08:44But what are you going to do?
00:08:45I'm going to ask you this.
00:08:47What are you going to do if the Cowboys win the Super Bowl?
00:08:50It's not something I've entertained.
00:08:51I can't imagine.
00:08:54It's not something I've entertained.
00:08:58That's the question of a typical cowboy fan.
00:09:00Let me ask him what would he do if he win the Super Bowl?
00:09:07Y'all say it every year.
00:09:08Noodle with the Super Bowl next year, right?
00:09:09And y'all stick up the joints.
00:09:11I mean, please.
00:09:12Ain't nobody trying to hear all of that.
00:09:13When you win, call me.
00:09:15Call me.
00:09:16Call me.
00:09:16Call me.
00:09:17You know, I'll deal with it then.
00:09:19But I'm not entertaining that, bro.
00:09:20I'm not entertaining it.
00:09:21Y'all may go down.
00:09:22Y'all may go down.
00:09:24You know what?
00:09:25You made a great comment, and I just wanted to touch on this before I do let Joe Sway go on.
00:09:30But you talked about yourself, because I want to know about you in a little bit.
00:09:34And I remember you talking about ESPN, and when you first got there,
00:09:38they said, you're going to be, you know, this is a big pond here,
00:09:41and you might be a little fish.
00:09:42And the quote I remember you telling the man was like, you know, no, that's not me.
00:09:48Your confidence went ahead.
00:09:49You said, no, you turned them damn cameras on,
00:09:53and you watched me work, and now you become a national celebrity.
00:09:58Did you ever think that you would take it to that level from where you were
00:10:02at Winston-Salem State to where you are now?
00:10:05I didn't believe that.
00:10:07I didn't analyze it that way.
00:10:08What I said to the producer was, I'm not going to be a little fish in anybody's pond.
00:10:15I mean, that's just how I roll.
00:10:17And, you know, it's very few things in life that I think that I'm relatively gifted at,
00:10:23but being on television is one of them.
00:10:25And when I'm on television, I believe I'm the best in the world.
00:10:29I really do.
00:10:29I don't think that anybody can do all the things that I've done.
00:10:33I've been a beat writer on a high school, college, and pro level.
00:10:38I've been a columnist.
00:10:40I've been a general sports columnist.
00:10:42Obviously, I've been a radio host.
00:10:45I've been in television.
00:10:46I've been an insider.
00:10:48I've been a reporter.
00:10:49I've been a pundit and commentator.
00:10:51I'm a personality now.
00:10:53Plus, I'm the executive producer of First State, for crying out loud.
00:10:56The list goes on and on.
00:10:58With my podcast, I own and operate it.
00:11:00It's mine.
00:11:01It's not associated with ESPN.
00:11:02I own and operate it.
00:11:03So now, I'm a business owner with my own production company.
00:11:06I just believe that when it comes, it's truly the way that I've had it.
00:11:10There's no accuracy to it.
00:11:11It's just a subjective opinion.
00:11:14But literally, when I'm on TV, it's the one time in my life when I'm in front of the camera,
00:11:20I believe that everyone is waiting for me.
00:11:23I believe that I take second place to nobody.
00:11:28I don't give a damn what pundit it is or whatever.
00:11:31I respect everybody, all of them.
00:11:33You might have people that have more knowledge.
00:11:36You might have people that have more experience.
00:11:38You might have people that are better journalists.
00:11:40You might have people, somebody might be more exciting as a commentator.
00:11:44Somebody might have greater ratings or whatever.
00:11:47But I believe I'm the one person that has a resume that says,
00:11:52damn, he did it all.
00:11:54And he can do it all.
00:11:56I'm the guy that they can come to and say, all right, you the pundit.
00:11:59But the host gets sick.
00:12:02Stephen A., in a drop of a nanosecond, can you move to the left
00:12:06and host the damn rest of the show?
00:12:08Because we need somebody to host the show.
00:12:11They know they can do that with me because I've done it.
00:12:15Oh, well, we need you to go to a game and report.
00:12:18They know I've done that.
00:12:19Oh, we need you to go on site.
00:12:21And we need you to do X, Y, and Z.
00:12:24I've done it all.
00:12:25And so when I consider the level of versatility in the arsenal,
00:12:28it's like being on the basketball court and saying,
00:12:32you know what?
00:12:33It's somebody that can shoot.
00:12:35It's somebody that can rebound.
00:12:36It's somebody that can pass.
00:12:37Somebody that can play defense.
00:12:38One of the reasons we call Michael Jordan the GOAT
00:12:40is because he could do whatever you needed him to do,
00:12:44whatever was necessary.
00:12:45Because he had an arsenal that appeared to be unlimited.
00:12:49That's how I feel when I'm in front of the camera.
00:12:52I believe that I'm that dude.
00:12:54And I'm second to nobody.
00:12:56I just feel that way.
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00:14:16Let me ask you this.
00:14:19Would there ever have been a time in your career,
00:14:23and I already know what you're going to say,
00:14:27but would there ever been a time in your career
00:14:29that you would have traded jerseys
00:14:31with the opposition, with another player?
00:14:35No, because I couldn't trade a jersey back then.
00:14:38We get fined because we only had two of them.
00:14:42We had two home and two away.
00:14:45And if you f***ed any of them up, you had to pay for it.
00:14:48Come on, Greg.
00:14:49I'm keeping it.
00:14:54If you had an opportunity back then,
00:14:56and they had extra jerseys like they do now,
00:14:59would you have ever traded the jersey
00:15:01with an opposing player?
00:15:04Hey, listen, hell no.
00:15:05But the way it is now,
00:15:06you can get my damn jersey off the wall
00:15:10and sell that for about three, four grand.
00:15:13All depends on if you got the money, baby.
00:15:16No, but I mean, in all seriousness,
00:15:18hell no, I wouldn't have traded no jersey
00:15:20with no other team.
00:15:21I would have loved to have seen you
00:15:23trade jerseys with Kevin McHale.
00:15:25You or Kevin McHale, or trade with Larry Bird.
00:15:31Listen, I didn't even want to trade jerseys
00:15:34with my teammates.
00:15:35Why would I want to trade jerseys?
00:15:36S***, you know, man, you know what it is?
00:15:39It's like, you know, because of the marketing
00:15:43and all of a sudden it becomes, you know,
00:15:45the collectors and everything becomes,
00:15:48you know, like Michael Jordan's Converse,
00:15:51Chuck Taylor shoes that he had on in college
00:15:54went for a million dollars.
00:15:56You know, you look at it, it's like,
00:15:58well, it's like, damn, ain't that trash?
00:16:01You know, you go like,
00:16:02isn't this the bottom of the G, the things explode?
00:16:04What do we used to do?
00:16:05Throw them away.
00:16:06Now it's like, you know, Kareem goggles or,
00:16:10you know, where are these goggles?
00:16:11It's like, man, you look at people be asking me,
00:16:14you got some old stuff that, you know,
00:16:16you don't want.
00:16:17And I'm sitting there going like,
00:16:18well, how much you want to pay me?
00:16:20Cause it's like, listen, it's all about money now.
00:16:24I mean, your autograph,
00:16:26they want to make sure that you got blood on it
00:16:28so you can have it so it can be authenticated.
00:16:31And so I got my championship jerseys up on my wall
00:16:36and I even got my college jerseys up on my wall
00:16:38in my office.
00:16:39But it's like, well, how much you want us?
00:16:42It's like, man, if I was like in desperate need
00:16:44of some money, but then again,
00:16:46I might be like Bill Russell, sell all that shit.
00:16:49I ain't going nowhere.
00:16:50Get all, get your money, get it.
00:16:51Cause if you want to give me 50,000
00:16:54for a damn ring that costs two, two, two,
00:16:57what three grand, four grand or five grand.
00:17:01Show me the money.
00:17:06That's a good investment.
00:17:07That's right.
00:17:07That's right.
00:17:08But even with these jerseys,
00:17:09now you got to look at that.
00:17:11They're all authenticated
00:17:12because now they got numbers in it.
00:17:14You know, the dates and all that stuff.
00:17:16And you go like, do I want so-and-so jersey?
00:17:19Cause mine may make some money off this one
00:17:21later on in life.
00:17:22So you never know.
00:17:23Kobe stuff is, is hot.
00:17:25You know, everybody's looking to have a piece of history.
00:17:29Yeah.
00:17:30Absolutely.
00:17:32But no, I wouldn't trade my jersey.
00:17:34Look, I wouldn't trade my jersey.
00:17:36If I was playing today and I had the chance,
00:17:38man, I don't want nobody funky ass jersey.
00:17:41No, that's right.
00:17:43Because, hey, hey, listen, you don't know.
00:17:45We had to wash our shit on the road.
00:17:49Some people didn't do it.
00:17:50Nah, some people, I'm sure.
00:17:52I'm sure there was a bunch of people who did it.
00:17:54You know, I can't imagine.
00:17:57I'm going to jump in real quick
00:17:58because I'm going to ask Rick this.
00:18:00You were involved in one of the most iconic plays
00:18:05in Southern history.
00:18:06I'm going to tell you, just wait a minute.
00:18:09When you threw the ball of the Jersey Seasties,
00:18:12when you guys were playing in the playoffs
00:18:14and you were like, yes, sir.
00:18:16And it was going the other way.
00:18:18Take us through what happened after that.
00:18:21Yeah, what's this?
00:18:23I don't have to.
00:18:27You were looking at me all crazy when I said
00:18:29you were involved in one of the most iconic plays.
00:18:31You're like, what?
00:18:32Yeah.
00:18:32He was thinking it was going to be a bad play or something.
00:18:34I thought it was going to be a fight or some shit.
00:18:37No, here, Brad.
00:18:38Let me just say this to you.
00:18:40At that particular time, you know, like I said,
00:18:44playing defense was what I always did
00:18:46and knocked it off of a bird.
00:18:51I thought it was off Jersey Seasties.
00:18:53No, it was bird.
00:18:55And I was pumping my fist,
00:18:56but I was looking over there at the bench
00:18:59and Chuck Daley was telling me to call time out
00:19:02because I'm the guy that takes the ball out.
00:19:05And that dog gone, I said, took the ball out.
00:19:08And I love Zeke to death.
00:19:09And I'm going to tell you, and he said it,
00:19:12he had a brain fart, whatever.
00:19:14But he was because I'm the one that's supposed
00:19:16to get the ball.
00:19:16So now I know what we're talking about now.
00:19:19Yeah.
00:19:19So I'm sitting there looking, pumping my fist
00:19:21and looking at Chuck.
00:19:22Chuck was calling the time out high in the air
00:19:26and I'm getting turned around.
00:19:27I'm about to tell the referee time out.
00:19:30No, he took the ball out,
00:19:32tried to get it in the Joe.
00:19:34They got a DJ.
00:19:36No bird stole the ball.
00:19:38Yeah.
00:19:39And then DJ, and that was game five.
00:19:44And it's like, she's like, damn,
00:19:47we don't fought the Celtics.
00:19:49So it was so long, so long.
00:19:51And, you know, and they were very good team.
00:19:54And then finally, you know,
00:19:55then we had to play game six to go home.
00:19:58But in that locker room, it was just sad that,
00:20:01you know, Isaiah felt really bad because he knew
00:20:03I was supposed to take the ball out.
00:20:05But I don't even, I don't bring that up to him
00:20:08all the time.
00:20:12We had a chance to talk to him about that play.
00:20:15And he said, man, he said, I felt like shit
00:20:18when I got in that locker room.
00:20:19He said, everybody just kind of looked at me.
00:20:21And the coolest thing about it, I think,
00:20:24was that he was talking about the sixth game
00:20:27that was played, I guess, in Detroit.
00:20:29And he said Larry Bird dapped him up before the game.
00:20:32So, man, it's OK.
00:20:33Because I think as ballplayers, we have a kinship.
00:20:38And we know when somebody's dapping.
00:20:39We know when great players do what they do.
00:20:42But that was so cool for Larry to do that.
00:20:44And, you know, for Isaiah to feel like that.
00:20:47And for you guys to play the way you did
00:20:49in those upcoming games.
00:20:50Yeah, because we had to play game six at home.
00:20:53And if we didn't win that one, we would have lost.
00:20:55But, you know, every time we go down there,
00:20:57you know I hate that damn leprechaun.
00:20:59In the middle of the floor.
00:21:01I try to kick that shit.
00:21:02If I can get over there and just scrape his face off.
00:21:05I'm trying to carry you over that.
00:21:07Yeah, I'm trying to carry you.
00:21:08But you know something?
00:21:09It was just the fact that we had, you know,
00:21:12it was the competition we had back then.
00:21:15It was never, you know, I don't like Chief.
00:21:19I don't like, you know, Mikhail.
00:21:21I don't like Brad.
00:21:22You know, it's not a dislike.
00:21:24It's just 48 minutes.
00:21:25I'm going to try to kill you.
00:21:27Because I want to beat you.
00:21:29And it's like, I ain't got no friendship
00:21:30with you for 48 minutes.
00:21:33Jeff Rulon is my brother.
00:21:35Bill Lambert, as much as people don't like him,
00:21:37he's my brother.
00:21:38But if I have to play, I'm trying to kick their ass.
00:21:41And then if we're really friends,
00:21:44you're going to tell me, you know,
00:21:45we'll go get something to eat after the game
00:21:47or something like that.
00:21:48But I never held any ill will to any of the players
00:21:51that played in my presence, you know,
00:21:54and the ones that played before me
00:21:55because I missed the Tommy Heintzens
00:21:57that talk all that shit.
00:21:59The Paul Silas's.
00:22:00And they be like, I'm sitting there.
00:22:02I remember telling Tommy, I said,
00:22:04I wish I'd have played back.
00:22:05I'd have kicked your ass.
00:22:06Tommy was like, he just, you know how,
00:22:09hey, Brad, you know how he pulled back
00:22:11and them shoulders get back.
00:22:12It's like, damn, I'm done pissed him off.
00:22:15I ain't messing with him.
00:22:17I don't give a shit.
00:22:18I give all the players respect that played before me.
00:22:22And hopefully these guys that's playing after me
00:22:24get the same respect.
00:22:27So I'm going to guess that the Celtics,
00:22:29was that the favorite team you like to go up against?
00:22:31If so, a particular player.
00:22:33If not, what's the team of player, favorite opponent?
00:22:37Well, mine was the Celtics
00:22:38because I was from Hartford, Connecticut.
00:22:41And I got tired of all them in Connecticut
00:22:43that were Boston fans.
00:22:44Oh, stop it, stop it.
00:22:47Oh man, the hometown wasn't cheering for you?
00:22:49Hell no, because they bootlisting.
00:22:51This is when Brad and them knew my name, Ricky.
00:22:54Kiss your mama.
00:22:57Kiss your mama, Ricky.
00:23:01We got to set that up
00:23:02because it was such a beautiful moment.
00:23:04Rick Mahone coming back to Hartford.
00:23:07And when Celtics came down to Hartford,
00:23:12and the mayor of-
00:23:14No, he wasn't the mayor.
00:23:16He wasn't the mayor.
00:23:17That was the Doc Hurley who was like the,
00:23:20he was like the ambassador.
00:23:23Yeah, well, the ambassador came out
00:23:25and the ambassador just says,
00:23:27all of a sudden he says,
00:23:28Ricky, and Rick Mahone's mom was there.
00:23:30All of a sudden he said,
00:23:31Ricky, kiss your mama, Ricky.
00:23:34Kiss your mama.
00:23:35And for the rest of the night,
00:23:37that's all we would say.
00:23:39Do it, do it.
00:23:39Rick Mahone, kiss your mama.
00:23:42Brad, Brad, I'm going to tell you something.
00:23:44You know what's funny?
00:23:45That's when Larry Bird,
00:23:47I think we're in a car together.
00:23:49I'm posting him up and he's laughing
00:23:52and he was telling me something.
00:23:54He was like,
00:23:55because you started that shit,
00:23:56kiss your mama.
00:23:57And then we planned-
00:23:58You started that, man.
00:23:58I didn't start that shit.
00:24:02They were booing me in Hartford.
00:24:04I'm like, well, mother fucker, I'm from here.
00:24:08Soon as that shit started,
00:24:10I said, man, I hate Boston.
00:24:12And I ain't like,
00:24:13I was rooting for the Knicks all the time.
00:24:17I couldn't stand Boston.
00:24:19Still don't like Boston.
00:24:21He doesn't know-
00:24:22Oh, man.
00:24:23Rick's like, yo, I'm the best dude to come out this city.
00:24:25What the hell's going on?
00:24:27Here's one of the things I found out about Rick.
00:24:30He won't remember this.
00:24:32He will not remember this thing.
00:24:34But the first time I saw Rick Mahone after a game,
00:24:37I saw him at a IHOPs out in Landover, Maryland.
00:24:42After the game.
00:24:44Up there with a fine light-skinned hunt.
00:24:47I was like, young fella.
00:24:49I said, you got it like that?
00:24:54Hey, hey, listen.
00:24:55That's Hampton, baby.
00:24:56That was all-
00:24:58That HBCU ratio was 10 to one.
00:25:01I wasn't bullshitting.
00:25:06That girl had not missed a meal
00:25:07because her booty was woo-wee.
00:25:10I was like, damn, girl.
00:25:11And it wasn't one of them,
00:25:13it wasn't one of them pre-fab booties either.
00:25:16No, no, no.
00:25:17Whether they call it IBCs or whatever the hell.
00:25:20You're right, you're right.
00:25:22BFFs, I don't know shit.
00:25:24Natural.
00:25:26But it was, you know what?
00:25:28Playing against,
00:25:30and what I miss about not playing is the camaraderie.
00:25:34Yeah.
00:25:35You know, see, right now you see the camaraderie
00:25:38with me and Brad.
00:25:38We can sit down and have a great time and just go,
00:25:42and you know, and everybody else,
00:25:44it's all about respect.
00:25:46Not when we play, though.
00:25:48Not when we play, it's back.
00:25:50Yeah.
00:25:52I wanted a piece of that ass every time,
00:25:54and I ain't giving a shit.
00:25:55I had never-
00:25:56Do you dislike the way it is today, bro?
00:25:58Just the way I never got hit so hard before in my life.
00:26:01Oh, yeah?
00:26:05I wanted to see you black in there,
00:26:06but I won't go there.
00:26:07But he hit me so hard,
00:26:10and then stood over me, flexing.
00:26:13But I tell you what,
00:26:15I was going to get this ass back sometimes at night.
00:26:17I can tell you that.
00:26:20Well, I'm going to say,
00:26:22you know, compared to today's game,
00:26:25I mean, do you think, do you dislike that?
00:26:27I mean, you got guys going to each other's,
00:26:29you know, weddings and stuff.
00:26:30They guys, you know, they're hanging out.
00:26:32They're working out together during the offseason.
00:26:33Do you dislike that about today's game?
00:26:35No, I mean, this is what it is.
00:26:38It's, you know what?
00:26:40As long as it doesn't translate on the court
00:26:42where you're playing brother-in-law ball,
00:26:44you know, if he comes in there,
00:26:46I mean, you ain't going to hit your friend,
00:26:48then I'm going to hit your friend,
00:26:49and then I'm going to hit your ass in practice the next day.
00:26:54I remember, and I ain't saying no names.
00:26:57Say a name.
00:26:57Come on, man, give me one, give me one.
00:26:59So I'm telling, you know, we playing Chicago,
00:27:02Brad, we playing Chicago, and I'm with Philadelphia.
00:27:06And I'm up here, you know,
00:27:08we playing them the next round after I left Detroit.
00:27:11And I'm like, all right,
00:27:12we're playing Chicago,
00:27:15and we beat them 4-1 during the regular season.
00:27:17That's when we won the division.
00:27:19And that's my, and I told Barkley,
00:27:21I said, all right, next thing,
00:27:22we got to, you got to hit Michael Jordan.
00:27:25No, that's my friend.
00:27:26You know, I went like this, Brad, I went like this.
00:27:38I want to hit my friend up for 48 minutes.
00:27:46And every time Charles ain't up,
00:27:48we lost in the playoffs twice.
00:27:51And I'm sitting there going like,
00:27:52and then Charles gets to the finals with Philly.
00:27:55I mean, not with Philly, with Phoenix.
00:27:59And they play, they play Chicago.
00:28:02And he was, I said, you know, and now they don't talk.
00:28:04So it's like, you know what?
00:28:06You should have hit that mother.
00:28:09If these are your real friends, your real friends,
00:28:12look, I'll hit Brad, I'll hit Lambeer,
00:28:16I'll hit Jeff Rulon.
00:28:18But we're going to go have some fun after.
00:28:20This is nothing, don't take shit personal.
00:28:23This is what we do for a living.
00:28:26I don't like all that buddy-buddy shit.
00:28:27I ain't helping you up.
00:28:28I'd probably kick the shit out of you if I could.
00:28:31Here's one of the things that happened to you,
00:28:33and I'd like for you to tell the fans
00:28:35a little bit about it.
00:28:36Getting traded in the middle of the season.
00:28:38Different when you get traded during the off season,
00:28:40but in the middle of the season,
00:28:43it's a little bit more upsetting,
00:28:46or is it just dramatic?
00:28:47What would you say?
00:28:50It depends.
00:28:51So like, if it was blind,
00:28:53I definitely would have been a little bit more like,
00:28:56like, what the heck, like more frustrated,
00:28:58stuff like that.
00:29:00The benefit is that like me and Nico
00:29:01have a great relationship,
00:29:02our good relationship,
00:29:03and we were able to communicate.
00:29:05He's a very honest GM or tries to be
00:29:07with anything that's potentially like possible.
00:29:11And I remember I was communicating
00:29:12through the whole process
00:29:13because I had an idea.
00:29:14And I remember it was going to,
00:29:18I knew it was going to happen.
00:29:19So like, it was more difficult,
00:29:20more so when you get there
00:29:22and like trying to adapt,
00:29:23figure out where to live.
00:29:24Like, that's something that people don't understand
00:29:27because like I was in a hotel
00:29:28for three and a half months.
00:29:29So like living out of the bags,
00:29:30I never went back to Dallas.
00:29:32So like I had to have my mom or friends
00:29:34or family kind of go back
00:29:36and like ship bags
00:29:37or like whether it was
00:29:38like fly out with them,
00:29:39be like, hey, I need some clothes to wear
00:29:40because otherwise you're just kind of,
00:29:43you're living out of bags for the next.
00:29:45But you know, look,
00:29:46it had to be a lot easier
00:29:47going to Charlotte though.
00:29:49I mean, a lot easier because of,
00:29:51you know, you-
00:29:53Yes and no, man.
00:29:54Not everyone wants to go home.
00:29:55I was going to say, you want,
00:29:57why did you never come back and play at,
00:29:59or why did you come back
00:30:00and play at Charlotte, Max?
00:30:02I was done at the end, bro.
00:30:03I didn't have nothing to give.
00:30:04I was-
00:30:05You wasn't trying to do that, Max.
00:30:07I was done playing.
00:30:09You could have had three more years,
00:30:10you know, say you had three more years.
00:30:12Yeah, let's say pathetically, right.
00:30:13And you're like, you know what?
00:30:14I'm going to play at Charlotte.
00:30:15I would have loved Charlotte.
00:30:19At 25 when you, right when you were,
00:30:22when you were playing and trying to,
00:30:23you know, develop your career?
00:30:26Probably not.
00:30:27Okay.
00:30:29But-
00:30:30He want me to keep it on the 100, bro.
00:30:32Keep it on 100.
00:30:33Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:30:34Something I will say that surprised me
00:30:38was that, like, how much I would love it.
00:30:40Like, I got here, at first I was kind of nervous
00:30:42because I was like,
00:30:43I'm going to be surrounded by all these people
00:30:44I grew up with.
00:30:45And as much as they love and care,
00:30:46but like, you're always going to get called
00:30:47or you're going to get hit up
00:30:48and like, you're going to have to balance
00:30:49and stuff like that.
00:30:50But it's something special
00:30:52about playing for your hometown team.
00:30:53And also special with
00:30:56if your hometown team is trying to build something,
00:30:58it'd be, you can be a part of it.
00:31:00That's something that I think I'm taking pride in
00:31:02because like, I remember I grew up with the Hornets.
00:31:05I grew up with the Bobcats.
00:31:06And like, the fact is we haven't had the success
00:31:09that necessarily a franchise would want
00:31:11in this NBA and the league.
00:31:12So if you're a part of that team
00:31:14or if you're a part of that group
00:31:15that can hopefully spur those next 30, 20, 50 years,
00:31:19like, I would love to be a part of that
00:31:21and lay the foundation and set it for the future.
00:31:24And-
00:31:25Let me ask you this.
00:31:25Was Jordan around at all?
00:31:27Or was he hands-on?
00:31:29Was he out of there by the time you got there?
00:31:33He's still, I think he's still a minority owner.
00:31:37He's just shot me a text
00:31:38just because I'm a Jordan athlete.
00:31:40Also because I knew him before.
00:31:41So I was thankful that, you know, he reached out to me.
00:31:43It was like, you know, excited to have him, blah, blah, blah.
00:31:46But I think he's a little more hands-off now.
00:31:48You know, Rick Schnall and Gabe Plotkin are the governors
00:31:51and they're incredible.
00:31:52They wanna-
00:31:53I'm gonna tell your mom,
00:31:54if you ever use that blah, blah, blah again talking,
00:31:57she's gonna be in your ass, okay?
00:32:00You know, Grant, that is not how you communicate.
00:32:02That'd be like you, you know, and I, you're communicating.
00:32:07I've seen you before on air.
00:32:09It's just funny when you think about how you play
00:32:12and what you do, man, I love it.
00:32:14But for you to communicate like that,
00:32:16that's kind of crazy to me.
00:32:17That's true.
00:32:18I was gonna say, I just didn't wanna, you know,
00:32:20I don't remember the whole text word for word.
00:32:21So I just don't wanna say, like misquote what he said.
00:32:25But what I will say is that
00:32:28the new ownership really cares,
00:32:30wants to invest in the franchise,
00:32:32both from an investment in terms of like the facilities,
00:32:36but also really wanna make it an organization
00:32:39that can compete with these historic
00:32:41and competitive teams that have been
00:32:43over the course of these past 15, 20 years in NBA.
00:32:46So I'm excited for the potential here and the growth here
00:32:50because not only does the ownership want really to happen,
00:32:53but I think the city does.
00:32:54And I think that as we continue to grow,
00:32:56like there's something that we can make really special
00:33:00and make happen.
00:33:00And I think that's gonna be sooner than people think.
00:33:02What was coming back to the Garden like?
00:33:05Because like you said, well, I don't know if we,
00:33:06I think we talked about it before we started recording,
00:33:08but you're still keeping contact
00:33:10with a lot of your former teammates,
00:33:12you know, first time going into the visitor locker room.
00:33:15And second part of my question is,
00:33:16were you surprised by the tribute video
00:33:19or the length of it rather?
00:33:21Just the whole experience, what was it like?
00:33:24Well, I didn't get a tribute video.
00:33:25I was like, dang, I was like, I don't, I don't know.
00:33:27Exactly.
00:33:28You see, that was the controversy.
00:33:31I mean, after the fact, we didn't even know
00:33:33if we should actually call it a tribute video
00:33:36or a salute video because I have, listen,
00:33:38Max and I, we've been going to these games
00:33:41for years and years.
00:33:42I've never seen it done like that.
00:33:44I was expecting them to show those threes
00:33:46you knocked down in the corner.
00:33:48Game seven.
00:33:50But what's this Grant thing like,
00:33:52hey Grant, thanks for coming.
00:33:54I think I always try to, you know,
00:33:58play devil's advocate or look from the other side.
00:34:00But I think it's because when Rob told them
00:34:03he wanted just to salute, like thank you
00:34:05and stuff like that, they just,
00:34:07because they gave Smart the video
00:34:09and I got to respect it.
00:34:10You know, Smart was there for eight years
00:34:12and was a true impact on the city
00:34:14and organization and everything else.
00:34:16And as much as I, you know,
00:34:18was involved in the community
00:34:19and love Boston organization, you know,
00:34:21I think they just were trying to be consistent
00:34:23with what they had done prior.
00:34:24But was I a little bit disappointed?
00:34:26Yeah, just because I feel like
00:34:29there was some great years
00:34:30in those four years that I was there.
00:34:31I was a kid that got drafted there
00:34:33and I was a kid that grew up there
00:34:35and was able to, you know,
00:34:36hopefully go through a lot of things
00:34:37that helped them get to the point
00:34:39where they are now.
00:34:40But I was thankful just because, you know,
00:34:42even if it's a little dedication,
00:34:44no matter how small, you know,
00:34:45you've got to have some gratitude
00:34:47because they could have just not done anything.
00:34:50So even though it was just a thank you Grant
00:34:53that's something that can be standard
00:34:55across the league, you know,
00:34:56but it definitely kind of surprised me.
00:34:59Normally knowing twists
00:35:00and all the guys that are there,
00:35:01I would assume that they would have wanted to,
00:35:03but my guess is whether it was organizationally
00:35:06or something they were trying to be respectful
00:35:07of the people that just came,
00:35:09whether it was Malcolm or Rob.
00:35:12Yeah, no question.
00:35:13It was good to see you back, man.
00:35:14Cause obviously when you switch teams,
00:35:16it kind of pushed things back.
00:35:17And I just know the fans were excited.
00:35:19I saw a handful of your jerseys in the crowd
00:35:22and it's always cool because that's sort of
00:35:25that Celtics tradition, Celtics culture,
00:35:27like people will remember you forever.
00:35:29And especially when you come up big in the playoffs,
00:35:32you know, that huge game center performance.
00:35:35And of course the team that went to the finals.
00:35:37And like you said, a team that drafted you
00:35:38and you started your career here.
00:35:40So, yeah.
00:35:41And then in regards to like coming back as a visitor,
00:35:44yeah, it was definitely weird
00:35:45just because like, I was like,
00:35:46oh yeah, I remember riding that bus backwards
00:35:49up the tunnel.
00:35:50You're like, I love this.
00:35:52And then like walking into the visitor's side,
00:35:55it's really, really nice.
00:35:56I've never been over there, but it was pretty nice.
00:35:59But I remember like, I didn't go on the court
00:36:01before the game, but I remember coming out
00:36:04and there was nothing but love like in the arena.
00:36:06Like people saying, come back.
00:36:07Like, we'll want you back.
00:36:09Like, and stuff like that.
00:36:10And they were like, you'd be the next Al.
00:36:12We trade you and then come back two years later.
00:36:16Or Tice, I remember they said,
00:36:17we'll have Tice back for a third time.
00:36:19Tice is the same, that's right.
00:36:21It felt refreshing, you know,
00:36:22because you know, when you're playing there,
00:36:24you're going to have to make some back emotions
00:36:25no matter where you're playing.
00:36:26But like the fact is like the true fans,
00:36:29the ones that show up every single night
00:36:31that are supportive of the team,
00:36:32like it felt cool to be able to come back,
00:36:34see the jerseys, see the love that was being poured.
00:36:37And it feels cool to be able to say that,
00:36:39you know, you made an impact someplace
00:36:40no matter if it was small or large.
00:36:43We want to thank you for coming on with us, man.
00:36:45And, you know, just giving you something.
00:36:48I'm pissed off that it's 86 degrees right now in Charlotte
00:36:51and me and Josue are dealing in the 50s here.
00:36:54Nothing about spring.
00:36:56I mean, we got clear skies every now and then,
00:36:58but the weather, man, Grant's not it, man.
00:37:00It's the classic, you can wear a sweater,
00:37:03but you know, you're going to be hot during the day,
00:37:04but at night you're going to need that sweater again.
00:37:06You know?
00:37:06I've retired my Canada goose.
00:37:09Ah, see, you don't need that anymore.
00:37:12Listen, y'all have fun
00:37:14because I'm getting pretty 90 degree weather,
00:37:17golfing in the morning,
00:37:18even during the winters, you know,
00:37:19you might get a little cold,
00:37:20put a jacket on,
00:37:21but like, I got a chance to be able to say like,
00:37:24oh, the only thing that I could say that Boston
00:37:26doesn't have that we have it down here
00:37:27is the pollen and all that stuff.
00:37:29You know, the allergies, seasonal allergies.
00:37:31But other than that, oh, y'all have it.
00:37:33Y'all have fun.
00:37:34I can see the sun in November.
00:37:36Y'all can have the gloomy skies all you want.
00:37:38I'm going to be smiling.
00:37:39Thank you, Grant.
00:37:40Hold on, hold on, hold on, Grant.
00:37:41Watch this, Josue, watch this.
00:37:43Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:37:46I want a prediction.
00:37:47How's this playoff going to end?
00:37:48Real quick.
00:37:48It's been a crazy first round.
00:37:51Can I put contingencies?
00:37:54Yeah, do whatever you want to.
00:37:56Keep it 100, man, you're going to offend us.
00:37:58So I will have Celtics.
00:38:00And so it's either going to be,
00:38:02it's going to be Celtics Nuggets.
00:38:04And I think that if the Celtics play the Nuggets,
00:38:05the Nuggets win by like,
00:38:07it's like a seven game series or six game series
00:38:09and the Nuggets find a way to win.
00:38:11If the Nuggets lose to the Timberwolves,
00:38:14I have the Mavs going to the finals,
00:38:16Celtics Mavs,
00:38:16and I have Celtics beating the Mavs in probably six games.
00:38:21Wow.
00:38:21Okay.
00:38:22Okay, all right.
00:38:24But I think it's all contingent on if the Minnesota beats Denver.
00:38:27Because if Minnesota beats Denver,
00:38:29I think that,
00:38:30I think Denver's the hardest team for Celtics to match up against.
00:38:33And just because Yoko's just that special of a player
00:38:36and his ability to, you know, play, get guys involved.
00:38:38Oh, is that why you wore that Batman thing that time?
00:38:41The Batman suit?
00:38:42Oh yeah, that's right.
00:38:43When you stopped, when you stopped Yoko's that time
00:38:45and he came back and it rained terribly.
00:38:48Oh, listen, listen, ever since that day,
00:38:50listen Max, listen, ever since that day,
00:38:53any time I played the Nuggets, he been on my ass.
00:38:55He remembered, that's why he remembered.
00:39:00He been on my ass.
00:39:01But listen, I love it, I love it, I love the team.
00:39:04Oh man.
00:39:05Before, before we go,
00:39:07one last question I want to ask.
00:39:09Watching the, watching Anthony grow, Anthony Edwards.
00:39:14He, is he, is he that dude now?
00:39:17Is he that one?
00:39:18I think that he is still going to continue to grow,
00:39:21but he's a mother, he's that mother, like he's,
00:39:25he's that motherfucker.
00:39:26Like he's a guy that you can look at where you're like,
00:39:28like if they keep that team together,
00:39:30he's a threat year over year.
00:39:32But like, it's a matter of like, do they have it this year?
00:39:36Because like adding that gauntlet to the West,
00:39:39just because you're, you're the man this year,
00:39:41doesn't mean that John might come in next year.
00:39:42It doesn't mean that Luca and them aren't going to improve.
00:39:45Like it's going to be,
00:39:47it's going to be interesting to see
00:39:48who takes that mantle of that guy.
00:39:50Because I think it's between JT, Luca and Ant,
00:39:54because Giannis and those guys are towards their like,
00:39:57prime and stuff like that.
00:39:58They'll be, they'll be towards KD's time
00:40:00versus these guys, these young guys.
00:40:02And then eventually after that,
00:40:03that's going to be Chet and Wimby
00:40:05and whoever else comes, Cooper, if he's that good.
00:40:07You better, you better not leave Chet out of there.
00:40:10You better not leave Chet.
00:40:11This is what I'll say about Chet.
00:40:12Chet's amazing.
00:40:13He'll always be the underappreciated assassin.
00:40:16He'll be that guy.
00:40:17He'll be that guy that they're going to be like,
00:40:18he's going to be top five in the conversation
00:40:20and stuff like that.
00:40:21They'll never give him the love.
00:40:22But I think that he's going to be that underrated assassin
00:40:24that's going to like, always be a person that you're like,
00:40:27you know what?
00:40:27He deserves more credit.
00:40:28He deserves more credit.
00:40:29But he's in OKC.
00:40:31They don't talk about him as much as they probably should.
00:40:33But he's that underrated assassin that you're like,
00:40:36he might be in that James conversation where they're like,
00:40:38he's the best guard in the league.
00:40:39They might not say he's the best.
00:40:41Mark, I've asked you, did you,
00:40:44I know everybody's always said that,
00:40:45that they thought the Celtics were going to be in the finals.
00:40:49Did you see them being in the finals?
00:40:51Yes, no question.
00:40:55Combination of things.
00:40:56One, I thought they were the best team.
00:40:58Two, the East was just all injury plagued, beat up.
00:41:02It's not the Celtics' fault.
00:41:04It is what it is.
00:41:05And, you know, it just kind of puzzles me that Jason Tatum,
00:41:15Jalen Brown, like the whole team really doesn't get talked about.
00:41:20I don't really understand this.
00:41:21It's not like there's some small market team.
00:41:23No, that steal by Drew Holliday is one of the greatest steals
00:41:26I've ever seen in the playoffs, man.
00:41:28Absolutely incredible.
00:41:30Um, you know, you guys have this talented team that
00:41:35basically only lost two games.
00:41:38I mean, it should be something that's talked about and commended.
00:41:42And I felt like the game for, um,
00:41:46when they swept the Pacers was, was a real gut shake game.
00:41:51And, and they, they made the shots when they needed to make the shots.
00:41:54They, they, uh, they punched when they needed to punch.
00:41:58And I'm, I'm more of a rest versus Russ guy.
00:42:04I think those days off are important, you know, to me,
00:42:09like healthy teams typically end up winning in the end.
00:42:13Now that the Mavs finally got some rest that they needed,
00:42:18Luka definitely needs this rest right now,
00:42:21but the Celtics are who I thought they were.
00:42:23I never wavered in my opinion of them.
00:42:27In fact, um, when I drew holidays,
00:42:29I'm cause I told him from the beginning,
00:42:30I was like, the Celtics are going to be in the finals.
00:42:33They're the best team.
00:42:34They're healthy for them.
00:42:35Well, actually, poor thing has got hurt,
00:42:37but at the time they're healthy said,
00:42:40and the East is going to make it easy for them.
00:42:43And I feel like those kinds of teams that have the talent,
00:42:47the luck and the health typically win.
00:42:51So I, I still haven't officially made my pick yet,
00:42:55but keep leaning over to the green side.
00:42:58And that's not cause I'm on here with you guys.
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00:43:50I just feel like everyone is so eager to give the crown to the,
00:43:54to the team that's up next, right?
00:43:56Whether it was the Minnesota Timberwolves, you know,
00:43:58whether it's now it's the Dallas Mavericks, you know,
00:44:00everyone wanted national media wants to give those teams the benefit of the doubt.
00:44:03And I get that.
00:44:04But like you said, Margaret,
00:44:05like when you have a team like this, that's been dominating,
00:44:07that's putting together some like performances that
00:44:11pretty much went against what everyone was, was,
00:44:14was questioning this team in the sense of late game execution.
00:44:17Are they going to be able to do the right things at the right time and all that stuff.
00:44:20And I feel like they spelled all those concerns
00:44:22with those back-to-back wins against the paces,
00:44:24but everyone's talking about how shorthanded these teams are,
00:44:27but it's like, but look at the dominance though.
00:44:29And I feel like, like you said, it's just not being talked about enough.
00:44:32Why do you think that's the case?
00:44:34That's a good question, man.
00:44:35I don't know why y'all being hated on.
00:44:39Is it because they went to the final so many times?
00:44:41Like, I don't get it, but this is a different team, you know, like.
00:44:44You know, and then it's like, when you, it's funny,
00:44:47like I asked Carmelo Anthony two weeks ago,
00:44:50like, who do you see as the best young players in the league right now?
00:44:53And I'm glad he made, mentioned Jason Tatum.
00:44:57Like, it's like the new guard that's coming in,
00:45:00the young guard, like Jason is still part of that young guard.
00:45:03Jason, I wonder if, since he makes it look so easy,
00:45:10do people feel like, he's kind of like Durant in that way, right?
00:45:14Like they just make the game look so easy that people like,
00:45:19overlook them.
00:45:20Like, how does he not get MVP votes?
00:45:22His team had the best record in the league.
00:45:25I don't know.
00:45:25I don't vote no more.
00:45:26And we could have that discussion another day why.
00:45:31But to me, when I did vote, I put a heavy emphasis on winning.
00:45:35And if your team dramatically has the best record in the league,
00:45:40you should be in the MVP conversation.
00:45:44I don't understand why he's not.
00:45:46I don't understand why we're not talking about the two Jays'
00:45:50top duo in the league.
00:45:52But you know what ultimately changes all that?
00:45:55Getting that trophy, man.
00:45:57You get that trophy and then all the kudos and love come to you.
00:46:00And this is something that said, no, it's like,
00:46:05they got to get this trophy, man.
00:46:07They got to be in the fabric of the floor.
00:46:10And this club, that club, said it's in the club.
00:46:13It's a hard club to get into.
00:46:15I don't care what your numbers are.
00:46:17If you don't win a championship, you're not in that club.
00:46:20You know, Jason and Jalen, they get that trophy.
00:46:26So to like, see them as a different legend.
00:46:30Yeah, right.
00:46:32They view that in a different way.
00:46:33I understand that because I will cover the team.
00:46:36I love the history being around it, the pride being around it.
00:46:40But they got to get over this hump, man.
00:46:43You know, all these Eastern Conference finals,
00:46:45this is the second NBA finals trip.
00:46:49To me, like, they need this bad.
00:46:52They need to get over this hump for their legacy in that town.
00:46:56Yeah, they can't be, Celtics can't be Buffalo.
00:47:00They can't be Buffalo Bills.
00:47:02You know, getting to the Super Bowl all the time and not winning.
00:47:06And I peered in and pulled the curtain back.
00:47:10And during the celebration, I came up to Tatum and, you know,
00:47:14we manned it up, man, hug out.
00:47:16And he whispered in my ear.
00:47:18He said, man, I'm gonna get you one.
00:47:20I'm gonna get one for you this year.
00:47:22And I looked at him.
00:47:23I'm like, no, dude, I already got you.
00:47:26You get your one.
00:47:30You should just say, hey, whatever, however way motivates you.
00:47:33Yeah, right.
00:47:34More important.
00:47:35Whatever it takes.
00:47:36You're more important because the national narrative has been
00:47:39that these guys are chokers.
00:47:41The national narrative has been they didn't have anybody to play.
00:47:45The last time I've checked on any of my rings,
00:47:48they don't put, like, who you had to play.
00:47:50Just put, did you win that year?
00:47:53And were you better than that next team?
00:47:56And that don't even matter because they're good.
00:47:58Yeah, they are.
00:48:00I think they are.
00:48:01They're the pretty girl that you can't go out with.
00:48:04And everybody hates over anyway.
00:48:05It's like, damn, I hope you don't get a date to the prom.
00:48:08Nobody asked her.
00:48:10But yeah, if they were to get over this bubble,
00:48:14get through this, get past this bubble,
00:48:16I think they got an opportunity to win a couple of championships here
00:48:20over the next couple of years.
00:48:21Because this Brad Stephens has done a tremendous job
00:48:25putting this talent together.
00:48:27I mean, and you look at it, the next step,
00:48:30you're going to say when you win it this year,
00:48:32you're going to get those veteran players,
00:48:35some more veteran players who want to come and say,
00:48:37well, let me get on this bandwagon and let me get it.
00:48:40You know, I wouldn't be surprised
00:48:41if I saw Jack come out of retirement
00:48:43just to be on with the Celtics one more
00:48:45so he can get another ring real quick.
00:48:47But I'm here. I got you.
00:48:49I got you, Kobe. I got you.
00:48:50I got to hit you with one of these before you go, man.
00:48:53We so appreciate you being on.
00:48:55But I have got to get you,
00:48:58got to have your opinion about Kat Wiggins.
00:49:02And just, man, he done threw shade.
00:49:05You know, that was like the second day of the year, too.
00:49:08Remember? That was the beginning.
00:49:10I want to get it real from you who knows the industry
00:49:15but knows all these other people.
00:49:17And what he said, it's just, oh, it's been dog-eat-dog right now.
00:49:24So just tell me a little bit about that, how you feel.
00:49:27Because I love to hear your opinion
00:49:29about Kat Williams and the controversy that he's kind of stirred.
00:49:33Number one, you know, people say a lot of different things.
00:49:37I'm not a firm believer, like, you know, all news is good news.
00:49:42You hear people like, you know what, news, you know,
00:49:45any publicity is publicity.
00:49:47You know, if you broadcast somebody, people know,
00:49:49that means at least they know it.
00:49:50Instead, I'm a firm believer that that's not always true.
00:49:56You got people that don't like each other.
00:49:58That's just the way life is.
00:50:00But you going to tell me about somebody else,
00:50:04well, that got to do with me.
00:50:05Ain't none of my business, you know?
00:50:09I think we as rappers seeing comedians always in the area,
00:50:15rappers in the area.
00:50:18We try to get people out of the making beef real.
00:50:22Like, I mean, Tupac was like a nephew to me, you know what I'm saying?
00:50:26So, Younger Bro, the whole, that thing escalated
00:50:31because what it did is sold newspapers, magazines, records, media attention,
00:50:36and we see it culminate in tragedy
00:50:39that they still ain't been able to get out of.
00:50:41My good friend, Jam Master Jay, who's the closest thing
00:50:44to a union leader you ever want to see, killed, you know?
00:50:48A lot of rappers got killed in cases that they never, ever discussed.
00:50:52We try to get far away from saying that had anything to do
00:50:58with the arts or something real.
00:51:00Comedians always seem to travel together, joke together, laugh together.
00:51:05And then when Spike Lee did the movie with the Four Kings of Comedy,
00:51:12that just took it to another level.
00:51:14And a lot of people were like, damn, man,
00:51:18well, why is it hard for a rapper to travel?
00:51:20Yeah, well, you got to have this, that, and the other.
00:51:23You got a backdrop.
00:51:24You know, you got set.
00:51:25You got speakers.
00:51:26You got musicians.
00:51:28You got DJs.
00:51:29You got all that.
00:51:30All a comedian needs is a glass of water, man.
00:51:36Yo, speaker, mic, glass of water, and a stage.
00:51:42And a promoter look at that.
00:51:44It's like, I ain't got no overhead.
00:51:47And the comedians kept rising and rising.
00:51:50People said, damn, should I be a rapper or should I be a comedian?
00:51:54And a lot of people took that comedian route
00:51:56and saw that so many places to play, especially during sad times.
00:52:01And they all exploded.
00:52:03Now, Who Exploded, for whatever reason, that became a league of its own.
00:52:08And a lot of people been looking at each other for the last 20, 25 years,
00:52:13and people don't even know it.
00:52:15I've been traveling with them.
00:52:16I remember them back in the day.
00:52:17So they got something that all of a sudden fruited to the front of mainstream culture,
00:52:24where 25 years ago, it'd be like, yeah, you know, black dude doing comedy, man.
00:52:29It was a big deal.
00:52:30You know what I'm saying?
00:52:30Now it's like mainstream culture across a couple new generations getting in.
00:52:36Remember this.
00:52:37The businesses, whether they promoters, marketers, branders, or whatever.
00:52:43We say branders, because branding wasn't always a great thing.
00:52:47For black folk in America.
00:52:48I mean, the minute we got off the boat, they took that iron and went brand.
00:52:52You know what I'm saying?
00:52:54And we got what?
00:52:54We tatted with a kilo, you know what I'm saying?
00:52:58A keloid brand on us.
00:53:00So they always want to be able to get somebody green.
00:53:06You know what green means, Oswey?
00:53:09Not Celtics green.
00:53:10Green.
00:53:12Yeah.
00:53:12I mean, like something that appeases everybody.
00:53:14No, no.
00:53:15Audiences.
00:53:16Green is getting somebody who's young, naive, dumb, fool, whatever.
00:53:24I can, I see you coming.
00:53:26I could get you.
00:53:28Matter of fact, I know more about you than you know yourself.
00:53:31And if you under 25, and really, if you're the typical, then you, you, you know nothing
00:53:39and you got less.
00:53:40And when you get something, I'm going to get it from you.
00:53:43So the powers and the corporations and the businesses that be, you always got that in
00:53:49the mind.
00:53:50We're going to get new energy.
00:53:50We're going to get new generations because they green.
00:53:53They don't know it all.
00:53:53And they don't, they don't even know.
00:53:55They know it.
00:53:55They don't know it all.
00:53:56And we're going to get them.
00:53:57And once we get them, we're like, gotcha.
00:54:00That's a, that's a New York in you.
00:54:03Because New York is always looking for fucking boys.
00:54:07At first they're like, hey yo green, come here a minute.
00:54:09Let me talk to you.
00:54:10The hustle that you had on.
00:54:12That was like, cause that in one of the Stevie Wonder song where the guy, you know, he comes
00:54:17there to New York city, New York city, big, beautiful.
00:54:20And then somebody says, give him a bag and say, yo, man, and the guy said, what?
00:54:26And the next thing you know, police grab him, take him on.
00:54:29And he said, nah, man, I didn't do anything.
00:54:32But New York culture, man.
00:54:34New York culture, keep it moving.
00:54:36That's why, that's why politically on, on what?
00:54:4045.
00:54:40I don't even say his name.
00:54:41President number 45, he doesn't get, he doesn't game the country.
00:54:45The rest of the world's hip to this dude, but he doesn't game the country.
00:54:50And it's so crazy.
00:54:51He came in the middle of the country and not saying that the old dude is better, but this
00:54:56dude, I mean, I've been looking at that 45 before it was 45.
00:55:01Like he has celebrity.
00:55:02He ain't fit to be president.
00:55:04He is a celebrity.
00:55:04I've been seeing this dude since the mid seventies, man, you know?
00:55:08But he started a network and then it just snowballed into a campaign.
00:55:13That was crazy.
00:55:15He used an old game, old New York game on, on, and, and, and he'll tell you too.
00:55:22I'm going to go into the, into the backwoods of the United States and
00:55:27meet with the people like he gave a damn.
00:55:28But anyway, that's another statement.
00:55:30Another, another point before I end this.
00:55:35Another impression person, uh, impressionable person on me.
00:55:39And this is Stevie Wonder, right?
00:55:44That's my guy.
00:55:45Every time I come and Stevie wonders cipher in his area, I can't say shit.
00:55:53This is for years.
00:55:55I don't know what to fucking say to Stevie.
00:55:58I do, you know, like, and Stevie can see and hear everything.
00:56:02It's a Stevie said, come over.
00:56:04And I go over and I'm staring at him and shit.
00:56:09I never could get, I don't know what I know.
00:56:13I'm telling you, listen, Max, this is for years.
00:56:16This is the eighties, eighties, nineties, two thousands.
00:56:23I, you know, and he'll say, Hey Chuck, the same fact of power.
00:56:26I'm like,
00:56:37he must be like, man, this dude, man, he don't never say nothing.
00:56:42I'm like, I don't know where to start, bro.
00:56:44I've been hearing this dude, man, since I was three years old and crib tear my crib up
00:56:49every time fingertips come on.
00:56:51So he's a favorite.
00:56:54Since I was three years old, uptight, everything.
00:56:57All right.
00:56:58I was made to love you, you know, all that stuff, you know,
00:57:02inner visions and all that.
00:57:03It's King, uh, King Duke and all that.
00:57:06Yo, sir, do I, this, this is my secret area.
00:57:11I, all my conversations with Stevie wonder throughout 40 years.
00:57:17I ain't say shit.
00:57:18I don't know where to start, bro.
00:57:22I don't even know where to start.
00:57:27You're going to have to figure this out for real.
00:57:29I don't know where to begin.
00:57:31I don't, how do you, how do you, how do you start with like Stevie?
00:57:35Huh?
00:57:36I asked you earlier.
00:57:37I said, who are you in?
00:57:40Yeah, this is, this is it.
00:57:41This is it right here.
00:57:44Yeah.
00:57:44Say they were smoky Robinson.
00:57:46I just sat across the table.
00:57:47So I ain't say shit.
00:57:49I'm like, where do I start, man?
00:57:52Well, I, you know, you know, what would you say to Stevie?
00:58:01See, you don't even know.
00:58:04I would say he, we, we grew up with his songs.
00:58:11My Sharia more.
00:58:12I was in love with a girl in eighth grade and I used to play
00:58:15songs loud as that could possibly be.
00:58:18And I swore that I was going, this, this song was going to
00:58:21take me to this girl and she's going to be forever mine.
00:58:25So I know what he's talking about when he's talking about
00:58:28Sir Duke or when he's talking about, you know, keys to, you
00:58:32know, uh, of life.
00:58:33Of life.
00:58:34That's your favorite album.
00:58:35All these things he had on, you know, the one, the one guy
00:58:38trick I wish I had met after I ended up seeing this movie was,
00:58:44I wish I hadn't met Ray Charles just seemed like he was so, you
00:58:50know, and, and I met, I had a couple of times to go see
00:58:52Rachel, but after I ended up seeing a movie of Ray Charles,
00:58:57I was fascinated with his music and everything else.
00:59:01I heard bits and pieces of it.
00:59:03But when I saw all the things that, you know, that, that
00:59:06were done, done by him and that movie was a great movie.
00:59:10Yeah, man.
00:59:11It was just one of those things that really crushed that
00:59:14room is such a magnificent job job.
00:59:17Yeah.
00:59:17Then I look at another guy, a new Yorker.
00:59:20When you look at Denzel, another guy, do you say shit around
00:59:24Denzel?
00:59:26Man, you better not talk.
00:59:27People better not say nothing against Denzel.
00:59:29Denzel is protected man, by culture and the gods, man.
00:59:33I'll tell you, listen, when the LA rebellion went down in 92,
00:59:37Denzel was out there with a shovel.
00:59:41Denzel Washington was out there with a shovel in the
00:59:43community, man, shoveling.
00:59:45Hey, that dude is just, he, he's just something else, man.
00:59:49You know, so, so there's, it's so many people, I mean, back
00:59:52in the day, right?
00:59:53And I don't mean to go over, but you know, you could chop
00:59:55this up or whatever.
00:59:56Yo, Dr. J, me and my boys would come from the park.
01:00:00We go up to, they had a church's fried chicken in
01:00:02Roosevelt and he had came back to see what it is, his old
01:00:06mentors and coaches and him and his mentor and coach was
01:00:09sitting right, it was just us in churches.
01:00:12So me and, you know, me and my two boys is like, we talking
01:00:16about, Doc is like in the next thing, right?
01:00:18This is 1978.
01:00:20We like, so what the fuck are we really talking about, man?
01:00:23We just, yo, hey Doc, how's that thigh, man, you know?
01:00:31What's your favorite piece, right?
01:00:35Did you get yours crispy or hot sauce?
01:00:39Yeah, I, I, I understand when you're talking about people
01:00:43who are, it's all max.
01:00:46It's all right to be a fan.
01:00:48I'm telling you, it's a, it's a beautiful day.
01:00:51It's all right to be a fan, but not when you plan against
01:00:55the fucking guy.
01:00:55Oh, that was wild.
01:00:58I never heard.
01:00:59I never heard that story, man.
01:01:02You playing against this guy and you got to go heads up
01:01:05and then you're looking like, oh shit.
01:01:07This is damn Doc.
01:01:08I'm gardening and your boys looking at you, you know,
01:01:11after you get through playing, you always come home and
01:01:14your boys go, yo, man, what the fuck was that?
01:01:17You did with man.
01:01:19I was like you, Chuck.
01:01:20I couldn't touch.
01:01:23But how much did ML car egg you on to just, just, just,
01:01:27just be ML was a bomb.
01:01:32He was, he was a circus promoter.
01:01:34It was a lot of guys, you know, hyped up, man, because
01:01:38that was my guy, man.
01:01:39He was that we were kind of country boys together.
01:01:42But he was the one that actually made Kevin McHale jump
01:01:46on the ramps because they were talking about it.
01:01:49So man, I ain't gonna have no more fast break.
01:01:51No more fast break.
01:01:53And the next thing you know, Kevin gets in the game
01:01:56and boom, grabs around the neck.
01:02:00And Kevin is the scariest dude of all.
01:02:04I would have never picked him to be that dude to grab
01:02:07somebody, but he was hyped up by the hype man ML car at
01:02:11that time.
01:02:11So it was great.
01:02:12Wow, man.
01:02:13That's good.
01:02:13That's gonna do it.
01:02:14This episode, man.
01:02:15Sorry, man.
01:02:15I'm gonna, I gotta get back in the arena, but no, man,
01:02:19this is just, this is incredible, man.
01:02:20Thank you for coming on Chuck D man.
01:02:23We definitely have to get you back on here for sure, man.
01:02:25Yeah, man.
01:02:26You know, Celtics gonna be, you know, 16 and two as a Nick
01:02:30fan.
01:02:30Like I said, I got a shout out my guys, CP the franchise.
01:02:34We're over there, you know, you know, Nick's off season
01:02:38on season.
01:02:38I'm in the mosh pit man over there and expand TV.
01:02:41And he's also got the NBA report.
01:02:43So it's all part of this middle media sensation.
01:02:47But like I said, I've been by default, I've been hearing,
01:02:51you know, Celtics broadcast on Sirius XM.
01:02:54And, and Max, man, you remind me also of Don Meredith
01:03:00at the end of the game.
01:03:01When that end of that game is over, Don Meredith will go
01:03:04into a saying or into a song and he, and you'd be like,
01:03:09wow, how did you come up with that?
01:03:15That's my dad used to say that all the time.
01:03:17My dad be like watching the game.
01:03:19All of a sudden, he'd say going, turn out the lights.
01:03:23So Paul, you remind me so much of Danny Don at the end,
01:03:28especially the fourth quarter, man.
01:03:31Thank you, my brother.
01:03:32We appreciate it.
01:03:32Appreciate you, my guy.
01:03:33Thank you.