LIVE Patriots Daily: Matt Judon and Davon Godchaux's Contracts w/ Miguel Benzan
On this episode of Pats Daily, Taylor Kyles is joined by Patriots cap expert Miguel Benzan (@patscap on Twitter) to discuss Rhamondre Stevenson and Jahlani Tavai's extensions, what new deals could look like for veteran defenders Matt Judon and Davon Godchaux, and more!
From dissecting team-friendly deals like Christian Barmore's to exploring the challenges faced by players like Matthew Judon and Davon Godchaux, this conversation sheds light on the strategic player retention approach of the Patriots. Discover the delicate balance between player expectations and team financial planning, and gain insights into the negotiation dynamics shaping the future roster management of the team. Stay tuned for expert analysis on quarterback contracts, upcoming events like training camp, and the evolving landscape of NFL player negotiations.
0:00 - Introduction and Patriots updates
2:30 - Mike Onwenu's contract situation
7:30 - Evaluating Mike Onwenu's deal
9:27 - Better value at guard
11:18 - Extension for J.C. Jackson
18:38 - Patriots' Extension Strategy
20:55 - Team-Friendly Deals Analysis
24:29 - Future Contract Flexibility
28:22 - Players Over 30
31:30 - Guaranteed Money Talks
34:38 - Potential Trade Scenarios
38:29 - Defensive team evaluation
41:17 - Role player extensions
46:59 - Potential Drake Maye extension
51:19 - JJ McCarthy's contract negotiation
53:20 - Unsigned draft picks situation
55:00 - Miguel's upcoming projects
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From dissecting team-friendly deals like Christian Barmore's to exploring the challenges faced by players like Matthew Judon and Davon Godchaux, this conversation sheds light on the strategic player retention approach of the Patriots. Discover the delicate balance between player expectations and team financial planning, and gain insights into the negotiation dynamics shaping the future roster management of the team. Stay tuned for expert analysis on quarterback contracts, upcoming events like training camp, and the evolving landscape of NFL player negotiations.
0:00 - Introduction and Patriots updates
2:30 - Mike Onwenu's contract situation
7:30 - Evaluating Mike Onwenu's deal
9:27 - Better value at guard
11:18 - Extension for J.C. Jackson
18:38 - Patriots' Extension Strategy
20:55 - Team-Friendly Deals Analysis
24:29 - Future Contract Flexibility
28:22 - Players Over 30
31:30 - Guaranteed Money Talks
34:38 - Potential Trade Scenarios
38:29 - Defensive team evaluation
41:17 - Role player extensions
46:59 - Potential Drake Maye extension
51:19 - JJ McCarthy's contract negotiation
53:20 - Unsigned draft picks situation
55:00 - Miguel's upcoming projects
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00:00What's going on everyone. Taylor
00:18Kyle's here for CLNS media
00:19coming at you with another
00:20episode of Pat's daily brought
00:22to you by our good friends at
00:23game time. And I am joined by
00:25very good friend of the show
00:26Miguel Benzign at Pat's cap on
00:29Twitter, the go to for all your
00:31cap contract extension, all that
00:33kind of related stuff regarding
00:35the Patriots. And today we have
00:36quite a lot to talk about been a
00:38pretty breezy summer break for
00:41the Patriots. We got guys
00:42getting extensions, we got
00:43people really wanting extensions
00:45and making that well known.
00:47We're going to discuss it all in
00:48terms of what can be resolved.
00:50And also what Miguel actually
00:52thinks about the extensions that
00:53have already gone through. So
00:54without further ado, Miguel,
00:56welcome back to the show. My
00:57good friend, how you doing?
00:59Doing all right, doing all
01:00right. I have a long weekend, so
01:02I got to, I got to spend
01:04tomorrow mowing my lawn. So I'm
01:06looking forward to that and
01:08cheering on the Red Sox. Let's
01:09go. Cause I got to see, I'll be
01:11able to see them play against
01:13the Royals in Kansas in early
01:14August, visiting a friend out
01:16there. So I'm looking forward
01:17to that. I, yeah, I get to
01:19visit another baseball stadium.
01:21So actually another stadium. I
01:24like seeing Alex, huh? How many
01:27Atlanta, Minnesota, New York,
01:36Boston, Worcester, Pawtucket.
01:41Okay. I got it. Okay. I'm
01:43counting Monoligue, but I'm
01:45trying. Yeah. I visited a
01:47couple of stadiums. I visited a
01:49stadium in Birmingham,
01:51Alabama. I visited a stadium in
01:53Birmingham, Alabama, but they
01:54weren't open because the team
01:56was on the road. I'm thinking
01:58about going to Cleveland next
02:00year. And I guess the Red Sox
02:03playing in Cleveland in April
02:05and also see the Rocky, Rocky
02:06Hall of Fame at the same time.
02:08We'll see. Very cool. Man, you
02:10are like, yeah, it's a bit of
02:13adventure. Well, the older I
02:15get, I'm like, I might as well
02:16spend, like do something. You
02:18know, I might as well watch
02:19football. I'm like, I'm going to
02:20watch football. I'm going to
02:21watch football. You know,
02:23might as well watch visiting
02:24some stadiums. You know what I'm
02:25saying? Amen, brother. Amen.
02:27Here's the time you got. All
02:28right. Might as well do that.
02:30Now let's talk about some of
02:32your favorite Patriots
02:33extensions. We've got a lot of
02:34news and everything to talk
02:35about, but I'm curious because
02:36you know, the ins and outs of
02:37all these contracts and the
02:39entire situation and the
02:40landscape of how they look. So
02:42with all the players that have
02:43been extended in this new
02:44Patriots regime, what have been
02:46your favorite deal so far or
02:47your favorite players that have
02:48been retained?
02:51Okay. This is funny. The one
02:52that I like the most is the one
02:55that probably got the wrong the
02:56most. That's far more. I
02:59thought he would've got a much
02:59bigger deal. All right. I was
03:02way off on the money. All
03:04right. I was way off on how
03:06team-friendly it is. It's a
03:08really team-friendly deal, but
03:10I, the why I, it's my, it's my
03:12favorite because he is one of
03:14the best players on the team.
03:16And that's once they extended
03:18him, I knew that there's all
03:21this talk about draft and
03:22develop was real. So I, I knew
03:26going forward, like I said,
03:28like right after I started
03:29free agency, I picked like five
03:32players. They could get
03:32extended. All right. I would
03:34have never have done that under
03:37the, under the prior regime. I
03:38would never had that because
03:39they, they just, that just
03:40wasn't their thing. Right. It
03:43is what it is. We moved on.
03:44I'm grateful. We've got the six
03:47championships, so I don't, I'm
03:48not gonna speak ill of Bill
03:49Belichick. He's like, he and I
03:51both economics majors. I think
03:53he's great. I'll think I'll say
03:54this over time, over time. I
03:58think he was the greatest GM of
04:00all time. All right. Over time
04:02you can, everybody can pick
04:03he's made, the team has made
04:06makes about 100 to 200
04:08transactions a year. So you
04:11could pick out several here.
04:12Yeah. He's gotten wrong. All
04:14right. All right. With the
04:16benefit of high insight and
04:17everything. So it is what it
04:18is. Um, but I love the Christian
04:21Bob ordeal because he's a great
04:23player. I think he's an up and
04:24coming player. Um, and I like
04:29another thing I like about it
04:30because it had different
04:31amounts of things in it. Like
04:34did we have the active roster
04:35bonuses and offseason workout
04:36bonuses, which just reinforces
04:38my notion that trying to guess
04:41the numbers of the deal after we
04:43hear it's three years and $75
04:45million is pointless, right?
04:47Because the numbers do you
04:48don't know the underlying
04:49numbers, right? So just great
04:54for the details. If you want to
04:55be for, um, make an opinion on
04:57that without having the
04:58details, you go ahead. That's
05:00not my thing. All right. And
05:02because I need to know the
05:03details of the, you know, to
05:04have an informed opinion about
05:06it. Um, so that's, that's my,
05:10you sent me that in a DM and
05:11then we, um, and I said, that's
05:14I was going to go, which one I
05:16thought was the most team
05:17friendly, but at the end I
05:18wanted to go with one that
05:21proved me wrong. Cause I think
05:22we had talked about this before.
05:23We both thought he was going to
05:24get, I thought he was closer to
05:27$25 million, $25 to $27 million.
05:31All right. So I was way off and
05:34I thought it would have been a
05:35stronger deal for him in terms
05:38of guaranteed money. Right. And
05:41that the Patriots couldn't walk
05:42away, but it isn't. So I liked,
05:45um, to be, I like the things to
05:48be, to keep me on my toes.
05:52Yeah. That's why it's my
05:54favorite. You know, man, I know
05:56you get bored at some point.
05:58You're like, give me something
05:59new. Give me a curve ball just
06:00to get you some excitement a
06:01little bit now. Actually the
06:05curve, because it's hard to
06:09explain on Twitter curve balls,
06:12even with pictures, even when I
06:16put it, even when I put it in
06:19pictures of the deals, people
06:21still have questions about the
06:22numbers in it. So imagine if I
06:24have to do it with a curve ball.
06:28Okay. Yeah. I can see how that
06:29may be a little bit tougher
06:31there. Yeah. There's two sides
06:32to every, two sides, every
06:33point. But speaking of one big
06:35guy who signed a team friendly
06:37deal, moving on to another now,
06:38Mike and when you, obviously
06:40when he signed his deal, the
06:41understanding, I think pretty
06:43much on all sides was he was
06:44going to be the Patriots
06:45starting right tackle. But now
06:47as we saw towards the end of
06:48minicamp, obviously the first
06:50time minicamp, we saw, Oh,
06:51excited to have Miguel on me too.
06:53Matt, me too. Always. You got
06:56some love in the chat, my man.
06:57So with Mike and when you, as we
06:59saw in minicamp, the first day
07:01of minicamp, we saw he and
07:02Caden Wallace were on the right
07:03side together with the tubes.
07:05Then the last day of minicamp,
07:06it started to look like, wow.
07:07Okay. Maybe Mike and when he was
07:09back at right guard, right? I
07:10think we could all agree he's a
07:11better player, but then some
07:13questions started to pop up
07:14over, okay, well, he signed a
07:15deal like a right tackle. Is he
07:17now overpaid as a guard? Now I
07:19have my own opinions on this,
07:21but you know better than I
07:22would. So I want to know from
07:23your opinion, is he overpaid on
07:25his current deal? If he ends up
07:27going back to the guard spot?
07:30It depends on how you rate him
07:32as a guy. I read him as an elite
07:34guy. He's getting paid. Then if
07:36you, I, if you agree with that,
07:38then he's fine. Then he's, he's
07:40getting paid comparable. But if
07:41you think he's just a good guy,
07:43then he's probably getting paid
07:45somewhere between 20 to 25%
07:48higher than he should be. But if
07:50you think he's in the top
07:51echelon of, of God play. All
07:54right. And real and realizing
07:56that, that the market has gone
07:58up for the God play interior
08:00line play big time in a lot over
08:02the last couple of years. So his
08:04deal right now in a couple of
08:05years, he like is going to, he's
08:07going to get suppressed by other
08:08guys soon. All right. We just
08:10saw the guy from the Broncos
08:12surpass him. All right. Yeah. So
08:14if you think if he's elite, then
08:15he's not overpaid. If you don't
08:16think he's elite, then he's
08:17overpaid. Then that's an, I don't
08:19have to convince anyone. You have
08:22a better chance of convincing
08:23people on this level of play than
08:24I do. All right. I'm just going
08:26by my eyes. I think he's really
08:28good. I, I'll be God. I follow
08:31people on Twitter, like you,
08:32Brendan Thorne, blah, blah, blah.
08:34They all tell me, you know, all
08:35you guys are telling me that he's
08:36really, really good and an elite
08:38player at top 10, whatever you
08:40whatever number you make, I think
08:43he is. All right. Um, his deal
08:47has the upside of being either
08:51way, you know what I'm saying?
08:52Like, it's a good deal for, if
08:54he's a God, it was a good deal of
08:55his attack. As long as he plays
08:57well, that's all that matters. I
08:59mean, us talking about it now,
09:01before he plays it, like we all
09:03think what he is. All right. But
09:04something could change. Like, you
09:06know, saying like God forbid, I
09:08want to break gents, the man, but
09:10what if he gets hurt? All right.
09:11Then everybody, then then deal
09:12does not look so good. All right.
09:14But no one can control if you're
09:16going to say that, but you can't
09:17predict injuries. And I don't
09:18want to, that's why he bringing
09:19them up. And because I hate
09:22jinxing people.
09:24No, but I think you're spot on
09:25just within money with anything.
09:26I think it's a better value with
09:28him at guard than it is a tackle
09:29because tackle is where I think
09:31he's like a good to solid player.
09:33Like, I don't think he's going to
09:34make any trouble inside.
09:37I'm sorry.
09:42Yeah. It's better value of God.
09:45All right. But he's more likely
09:46he was working as funny as he's
09:47more. Yeah, no, but he, he's
09:51more likely to his incentive at
09:52the guy decision. So therefore
09:54he's his cap number will go up.
09:56All right. So it'd be less of a
09:57bargain because he will hit us
09:58all pro and pro bowl things.
09:59All right. But
10:04it's, everybody has an opinion.
10:05All right. I, I, if you think
10:06that Michael one who is overpaid,
10:10I don't think there's anything
10:10that I can say to change your
10:12mind. I mean, like literally,
10:15all right. I just know that he
10:17plays most of the people I
10:19respect about quality who talked
10:23about evaluating O-line play.
10:25I think he's really, really good
10:26at it. And that's all I go by.
10:30Because I'm not going to honestly
10:31go, I don't see watch all 32
10:34watch all 32 right guys play.
10:36I'm not, I'm not doing that
10:37during my day.
10:41Nobody, but when you, yeah.
10:44All right. Now let's move on to
10:45some other staples of this new
10:46regime of the Patriots. Now,
10:48when we got reminder, Stevenson
10:50and then pretty shortly after we
10:51got Jelani to buy now remind me,
10:53Steven, I wouldn't say he's
10:54underrated. I think 2022 kind of
10:56showed how valuable he was to
10:58this offense, but he got paid
10:59like a top 10 running back. So
11:01clearly the Patriots think, and
11:02you know, in this, uh, the
11:03Jeremy Fowler ESPN rankings, he
11:05only got a boat. He wasn't top
11:0610. It was an honorable mention.
11:08But I think when you look at one
11:10of his stats throughout his
11:11career and also how well-rounded
11:12he is, I personally think you
11:14could absolutely make the
11:14argument that he is in that top
11:1610 conversation. And then
11:17Jelani to buy another guy who
11:18got an extension, not the same
11:20kind of like top of the market
11:21contract, but something from an,
11:23from my perspective, look pretty
11:24good for a guy who is a, and
11:26that's such a big role. So from
11:28your perspective, we can start
11:29with whatever player you want
11:31reminder, Stevenson and Jelani
11:32to buy, what did you think of
11:33their extensions? And did you
11:34think that they were good from
11:36the team and player perspective,
11:37or did you have some kind of
11:39issue with either one of them?
11:43Oh, no, no, no. We should,
11:44they're both team-friendly deals.
11:45They both let's remember the
11:46sense that got extended. All
11:48right. Then new money deal is
11:51less than the published the
11:53paper. The paper money money
11:56API is less than a new money
11:57API. What did I mean?
11:58You mentioned that with
11:59Stevenson a while ago, he'd be
12:01cheaper. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Like
12:05let's divide. Okay. But let's
12:08not include his LTP incentives.
12:10All right. Um, they had for $1
12:13million this year. He was to get
12:15around less than $2 million in
12:16cash this year. All right. Then
12:19he gets seven, then he's getting
12:20in his new deal. He gets a base
12:22value of $15 million. All right.
12:24That's 17 divided by four. All
12:27right. But we're going to say
12:28he got a $5 million deal. All
12:30right. But for the Patriot side
12:32of it, they're thinking he's
12:33just going to get over $4.25
12:34million. All right. That's what
12:36they got to pay in cash. And if
12:37he earns his incentive, that's
12:40terrific. You know what I'm
12:41saying? Um, cause he has $6
12:43million incentive. So even at
12:44worst, it comes out to like
12:46$5.5 million. If he earns every
12:49sentence and folks, the last
12:51incentive is like $500,000. He
12:54plays 80% play time in the team
12:57makes the playoffs. All right.
12:58If that, if that all, if that
13:00happens, does anyone really get
13:01to complain about paying the
13:02man $500,000? All right. And
13:04incentives? No. Um, Stevenson
13:09is, he's, he's up there as it
13:13turns around, but there's a big
13:14gap, you know, but like he's
13:16less half and of, um, Christian
13:21Mack, Mack, uh, my gosh,
13:23McCaffrey, McCaffrey, I can't
13:26talk today. I spent all day
13:28talking today. Sorry. You're
13:30good. So he's, he's in there.
13:35He's in there, but I don't
13:36think he's getting paid right
13:38around where he should be. And
13:40he's his incentives. If he hits
13:42his incentives, he's still not
13:44going to be in a top 10 terms
13:47of API or terms of cash. I mean,
13:50this year he's going to get a
13:52lot of cash because he got paid
13:53assigning bonus. Right. But
13:54going forward, his deal is
13:56tremendous bargain. And the
13:58fact is they can kind of get
13:59rid of both players in, in the
14:03fall of two 2025 and still got
14:07create cap space. So, I mean,
14:09that's, I really, that's a
14:11pretty tempting friendly thing.
14:13All right. Um, I like both
14:15deals. I just found that, um, I
14:21was more surprised about the
14:22time. Like I said, I think I
14:24said, I said to you, I was
14:25thought that all these deals
14:26would happen now. I read it on
14:28this time period right before,
14:29right before training camp. Like
14:30we just saw with the Broncos
14:31guy, we just saw someone, Oh my
14:33gosh. Someone, there's another
14:35guy who just got extended. I
14:36just forgot his name. All
14:37right. Um, I am surprised by the
14:40time is that I get the pages
14:41really do mean no days off. Um,
14:45it is remarkable how they keep
14:48on extending players and yet
14:52they still have players who
14:53they still could extend. Um,
14:55that's one of the factors is
14:57that they had ended the 2023
14:59season with so many players on
15:02IR. So you had the 53 main
15:04roster and then you had 15
15:05people on, on IR. So that gives
15:07you a big roster to carry into
15:10that 2024, which they did. Um,
15:13yeah, so I like both deals. I,
15:18I have yet, Oh, I should be
15:20really careful what I'm going
15:22to say. Yeah. Those who don't
15:24dislike the deals kind of said
15:26it right away, right before the
15:27details of it came out. All
15:29right. And those who didn't like
15:31the divide deal. Okay. The,
15:32those who didn't like the divide
15:34deal were more talking about,
15:36well, what about Juneau? What
15:39about Godshaw? Right. Rather
15:41than saying, well, he got paid
15:43too much. I'm like, he's getting
15:44paid at most five to $7 million
15:47a year. That's not even close.
15:51The, the, what the top lineback
15:54is again. All right. He's
15:55getting right just above. He's
16:00in the middle of a linebacker
16:01market. It's like 30, you know,
16:0330 scrolling. You got to get
16:05through a couple of pages, but
16:07in the, but, but there's like,
16:08but you know, but if you do a
16:10million down a million dollars
16:11difference, right, you get more
16:13guys. There's a, there's a
16:14tight, once you get past the top
16:16guys, everyone's close together.
16:18Right. There's not a big gap. So
16:21if you go from five to three,
16:22there's a lot of people in
16:23there. So it was, I don't know,
16:28like, and then saying he got
16:30overpaid. I'm like, when people
16:33say he got overpaid, I'm like,
16:34tell me what, how much did you
16:35expect him to get in an
16:37extension? Like, what did you
16:38expect him to sign for? Like,
16:40he's not like he's, I don't
16:43think, I don't know. I don't
16:44think he's going to get $20
16:45million a year, but I don't
16:46think he was going to say sign
16:47for $2 million, just what he was
16:48getting right now. What would
16:50be your point?
16:54Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like,
16:55like, it was like, um, like
16:58those are the people I think
16:59you don't want to play fantasy
17:00football with because they're
17:01going to offer you horrendous
17:02deals.
17:05Speaking of which, we got to
17:06figure out how to get in the
17:06lead together. All right. We've
17:08just thrashed the surface. We
17:09still got to talk about
17:11in the effects that these
17:13extensions have potentially had
17:14on locker room, but first quick
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18:29All right, Miguel. So with all
18:30the extensions, new contracts
18:32that have gone out now, we're
18:33getting guys like Matthew
18:34Judon and Devon Dodge who've
18:35been vocal, you know, maybe not
18:37with us, but in their behavior
18:38and reports or what have you
18:40about not being too happy with
18:41the deal. So I'm curious before
18:43we actually get into their
18:44situations, do you think that
18:46the Patriots went overboard on
18:48their extensions handing out so
18:49many new deals under this new
18:50regime? Or is that just the
18:52price of doing business for a
18:53new regime when you're trying to
18:55make sure that you're rounding
18:56out your roster? Cause you know,
18:57I probably lean towards the
18:58latter, but I'm curious if you
19:00think maybe they're just doing a
19:01bit too much when it comes to
19:02handing out all these new deals.
19:05The price of having so few
19:08players sign for future years.
19:11All right. That's what one, one
19:12of the reasons they could
19:13extending because they had so
19:15few players signed for future
19:16years. All right. Um, that's one
19:19thing. And the other thing is
19:23you have a player at the most
19:26important position, the most
19:28expensive position on a rookie
19:30deal. All right. Once today's
19:35this year, Jack may, Drake may
19:37got, is going to get over $20
19:39million in cash, right? 2025,
19:4326, 27, unless they extend them
19:45in 27, he's going to get less
19:47than 10 minutes, something like
19:48less than $10 million. All right.
19:50So you might as well spend the
19:51blood, spend the money because
19:53you have a three years, a three
19:55year cash spending requirement.
19:57Right. There is value in having
20:06player retention because a lot,
20:08you know, your players better
20:11than, you know, the players are
20:12from a different team. We can
20:14only hope, you know, what the
20:16player can do, a current player
20:17in your team can do when you
20:19said, you know, that with, uh,
20:21with a hundred percent certainty,
20:24you can only hope that your
20:25projection for a player from
20:27another team is ends up being a
20:30hundred percent. You have no,
20:32you have fact versus hope and
20:36projection. Your fact is kind of
20:38player hope and projections for
20:40a player from a different roster.
20:43You just have to make the right
20:44choices on the players. You
20:46extend, you have to make the, at
20:49the, at the right value loan. I
20:53will say this tail overall, the
20:56Patriots got team-friendly deal.
20:59All right. Everyone, I think at
21:02most part, they send like over
21:0330 players, right? Whatever.
21:04It's either signed as fee
21:06agencies or extended players.
21:07It's close to 30. I'd be hard
21:10pressed the count to say five
21:14that I thought I would consider
21:16truly might have gotten overpaid.
21:19And then I'll say like, like one
21:22day would make, if you make the
21:24say that Hunter Henry got
21:25overpaid, I'm not going to argue
21:27with you. All right. Cause he
21:28got a $9 million at his age. Ah,
21:30I can, I can see that argument.
21:32All right. But other people, if
21:35you want, like Josh Houston
21:36definitely didn't get overpaid.
21:38Right.
21:39Uche bargain.
21:42All right. Huh?
21:47Okay. No, he was right in line
21:49with what I thought. Okay. He
21:51was right in line with his
21:52thoughts. If you didn't like
21:54Kyle Dagger as a player, you
21:55would say he's overpaid. All
21:56right. That's, but I thought he
21:59got around what a little, he
22:02got maybe half to maybe a
22:03million dollars more than I
22:04thought he was going to get.
22:05All right. But that's in, in,
22:07in that what, okay. I'm not
22:09going to, but that's not, I'm
22:10not going to say that makes him
22:11will be paid. All right. You
22:14don't think that it was me?
22:15Like in the scheme of things,
22:17it was like, I was just off on
22:18the, on the, on the market.
22:19All right. Um, I'm trying to
22:23think of other guys, but if I
22:24know, Oh my gosh. Um, definitely
22:29not. Oh my God. You don't say
22:30that Andrew's not. Yeah,
22:33definitely. And there's so many
22:35guys. I'm like the guys, the
22:37number of guys you could think
22:38who got overpaid versus the
22:39guys I thought got underpaid is
22:42it's lopsided. Okay. Um, I
22:45saw, I don't, I guess only if
22:49you believe that the page, if
22:51you know, okay, let me, let me
22:52rephrase this. If you know how
22:55much the paper is going to spend
22:57in cash this year, right? Then
23:00you can make the argument. They
23:01went overboard. I don't know
23:03that number. None of us know
23:04that number. Right. Are you
23:06saying? So that, and I'll say
23:08what, while I'm confident, none
23:10of us, I don't know that number.
23:11Right. But I do know right now
23:13they're in the top nine in the
23:15cash spending categories. No
23:17three major cash spending
23:18categories as of today. All
23:20right. Um, I do know they have
23:23close to $50 million incentives
23:25that do not count in the cash
23:27counting categories because
23:29they haven't been learned. All
23:31right. So I know that the
23:32pagers are willing to spend as
23:35much as in the $325, $300
23:39million range. All right. I
23:41don't know who's going to get
23:42hurt. It's like, cause I get,
23:44every time you play against
23:45certain, you're replacing that
23:46cost as cash and cop. All
23:48right. Um, I don't know what
23:51their limit is. I wouldn't be
23:53surprised if there is no limit
23:54for them this year, because
23:56this is the year to do it
23:58because most of the NFL
24:01contracts are two years and
24:03see in the third year, right?
24:07In 2026, we got to make it
24:09this, that's going to be the
24:10last year that they, we, that
24:12Drake may is playing on before
24:14we get extended. You want to
24:16put him in the best position to
24:18succeed definitely in 2026. You
24:20want to obviously do it in
24:212024, 2025, but definitely in
24:232026, cause you got a decision
24:25to make about his option yet.
24:27All right. So these deals
24:30that we're talking about, they
24:32have pages can walk away after
24:342025. What are most of these
24:36deals and still have very little
24:37dead money and still be able to
24:38go after big name contracts in
24:402026. All right. Um, I only, if
24:46you believe in crowd and cash
24:47crowding, and then, you know,
24:49the number, otherwise it's just
24:51speculation. I don't think, I
24:54don't know if I knew the
24:56pictures, well, how much they
24:57willing to spend this year.
24:58That would be concerned. I
24:59don't. All right. So I'd also
25:02know that how much they can
25:03spend. They, they, they, by, by
25:05willing to sign these players,
25:07those sensors, you're saying I'm
25:08willing to spend this money.
25:10Right. So they're really
25:14everyone's like to look at it as
25:15spending, not spending cap
25:17health wise, based on what
25:18they've done so far. Even if you
25:20factor in, maybe they sign like
25:21a handful of players during the
25:22season to fill some holes. Do
25:24you think they're in a good
25:25spot?
25:26Oh, they're in a great spot.
25:27They're in a great spot this
25:28year. And I'll be don't want to
25:31jinx the team again in order for
25:34them to be not in a good spot
25:36next year, or not even be in a
25:37great spot. They had to suffer
25:39injuries this year, a lot of
25:40injuries. All right. And the
25:42other, the other thing that
25:43could hurt them next year is the
25:46players with the $50 million
25:49incentives, basically earn them
25:51all, which would mean the
25:52Patriots would have a negative,
25:54adjust a negative adjustments to
25:55the 25 crap in the captain.
25:58We're going to go up. All right.
26:00Because they hit the making
26:02their incentives that was
26:03reconsidered for 2024, not
26:05likely to be earned it because
26:06it likely be around for 2025. So
26:09that's a double hit, right? When
26:11a player hurt who has the same
26:13incentive in 2024 and 2025 earns
26:15on not likely to be burned
26:17incentive. It's a double hit
26:19because you, you lower the 2025
26:22adjust a cap number by let's say
26:23a million dollars and you
26:25piece that plays cap number by a
26:27million dollars. So that's a $2
26:27million hit. Right. All right.
26:32Which is why I don't like giving
26:34out because I don't know who's
26:35going to make their incentives.
26:36All right. But I'm looking at,
26:38at the totals for 2025. And I'm,
26:42and I'm guessing, let's say the
26:43cap goes up to $280 million.
26:46All right. And if you watch
26:47hard knocks and the first person
26:49that they, the NFL didn't know
26:50what it was going to be until the
26:51very end. All right. So we're
26:53just, whatever you want to use,
26:55I want to use two 80 because
26:56it's a round number. All right.
26:58Plus I would, I would die
27:00laughing. It was $283 million
27:01because you know, because that
27:05whole Atlanta thing. All right.
27:06Um, 20, yeah. I, I can't see.
27:10And I have the cap total around
27:13180. That's a hundred million
27:15dollars difference. I'm not
27:16saying the cap number, cap
27:17space is a hundred million
27:18dollars, but I'm saying that's
27:19what they, they, they, they
27:21cushion as of today before any
27:23incentives and saying before
27:26they extend or make offers to
27:30the ERF phase or our phase or
27:32place a transition tag on
27:34Jabril purpose. Cause which I
27:35think it's going to happen
27:38because I'm like, I'm like, I
27:40missed, we missed, we missed the
27:42Cal Duggar thing. This is a
27:43tag. I'm not going to make that
27:44same mistake place. So I'm
27:46going on a record saying, I
27:47think that's going to happen.
27:50So with all this cap space and
27:52all this cap health, obviously
27:54it seems like they're drawing
27:55the line when it comes to
27:56Devon, Godshaw and Matthew
27:57Judah. Now, of course we don't
27:59know what's going to happen.
28:00They could very well end up
28:01finding some kind of middle
28:02ground that they're both happy
28:03with, but why do you think there
28:05is so much difficulty with
28:06these two players? And what do
28:08you think reasonable deals
28:09would look like for each of
28:10these guys?
28:11Age, age, age, age, the NFL is
28:15such a young man's game. They
28:18are the, what the Patriots only
28:20have six, maybe six guys on
28:22this team that are over the age
28:23of 30. All right.
28:24Hunter Henry and Andrews were
28:26the only ones who got
28:26extensions that are going to be
28:2730 this year.
28:30Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so
28:33young man's game, um, bomber
28:36did get paid, but Laura's guy
28:38got released. All right. Do you
28:42believe in the talents of Keon
28:47white, Sam Roberts, Jeremiah
28:51farms, you know, saying these
28:52guys on the interior lines,
28:53Daniel Eccolet, who got hurt
28:55last year. All right. He was
28:59pretty good. All right. He's on
29:02a relatively cheap contract.
29:07All right. If you say, well, I
29:11can't work out how to deal with
29:13gotcha. And, but you can extend
29:19Eccolet was your little, you
29:20know what I'm saying? But less
29:22money than what gotcha, you
29:24know what I'm saying? So you can
29:26build around, you save, you have
29:28some savings there. You got
29:30Eccolet plus a player to replace
29:33gotcha. That's why, um, I think
29:38it's going to happen. I've never
29:40bought that. God shot was going
29:42to get extended. I'm like,
29:43literally I've had five people
29:45when I did it, I said five
29:46people and they probably should
29:47have had six. Cause I thought
29:48Ben's school would be the guy.
29:49Right. I never thought gotcha
29:51would be because he's like, if
29:52you want to extend it by more
29:55and you got these young guys
29:57talents, they have the
29:58opportunity to show up, you
30:01know what I'm saying? I don't
30:03see it happening with him, but I
30:04think the deal that makes most
30:06sense for him is just give him
30:09the hundred hundred jail, same
30:11money, same structure. Give him
30:14a hundred hundred deal. They're
30:15on the nine, $9 million, 27, you
30:18know, $9 million a year, $27
30:21million in three years. But for
30:22him, because it's, it's an
30:23extension, it'd be a 9.35 million
30:27dollar API. So that's the agents
30:29could say you got better money,
30:30better deal than underhanded.
30:32All right. Because of the new
30:33money thing. All right. Um, I'll
30:38be pleasantly surprised if God
30:42shot signs a deal with them. I
30:44will not be shocked if you get
30:45traded. Okay. I will be, I will
30:50be surprised that they don't
30:51reach a deal with Judah because
30:52it's relatively easy to do so.
30:54I just think that like they're
30:57deciding on, on negotiating on
31:00the guaranteed money, not the
31:02guaranteed money for 2024. All
31:04right. Cause we know, say we're
31:05not, we know he's not getting
31:06cut. All right. We know that
31:08Judah is not getting cut period.
31:09All right. Is that, that's not
31:10happening. So we just get to
31:12say, we can also suppose, so we
31:14soak it. Think that that is
31:16salary that's out there, but
31:19it's already, it's not
31:22explicitly guaranteed, but we
31:23can say implicitly guaranteed.
31:25All right. So they're talking
31:27about the guaranteed money for
31:282025 and 2026. All right. I
31:32think that he's like, if I was
31:34Matthew Judon, all right, I
31:36don't want to go through this
31:37again. Appreciate. Yes. All
31:40right. So he did this, you know,
31:42we, so I want guaranteed money
31:45for 2024. I want my, I want all
31:48of my salary at 2025 fully
31:50guaranteed. I want a good
31:52portion that you have to think
31:55about cutting me in 2026 in the
31:57early part of the, of, of the
31:59agency, or I want a huge roster
32:03bonus in the early part of the
32:05off season. So you have to make
32:07a decision so I can go into fee
32:08agency at the beginning and not
32:10at the end. All right. One of
32:12those two things. All right.
32:14That's what they're looking.
32:14That's what if I was Matthew
32:16Judon, that's what you're
32:16looking for. If I, and I'm, and
32:18so you would talk about money,
32:20I'm thinking $15 million is a
32:22magic number. Okay. He was
32:25signed for a deal at 1230, the
32:27original deal, I was around 13
32:30and a half, but the cap has
32:33gone up since then. Right. His
32:34value to the team has got up
32:36since then. All right. But he's
32:38all also older. He's coming off
32:40a season. He just played four
32:41games. So let's go with 15.
32:44Let's guarantee the salary for
32:452024. Let's guarantee the
32:47salary. 25 guaranteed some
32:49salary for 2026. Let's go and
32:52deal. Let's go. Let's go. All
32:53right. And do you think it's
32:54the team that's saying they
32:55don't really care? I'm sorry,
32:57buddy. So I think that's like
32:59kind of where the issue is. The
33:00team's like, we don't want to
33:01guarantee 2024 and 2025. Is
33:03that where you think they're
33:04not really? I don't think they
33:06want to guarantee 26. I think
33:08that I think they're willing to
33:09guarantee 2024. That's I don't
33:12think they're negotiating about
33:132024. I think negotiating about
33:16this, the guarantees for 2025
33:18and 2026, I can see Jude. I'm
33:23saying, I'm not, I got to get
33:25my salary fully guaranteed in
33:262025. I can see that being a
33:28sticking point. All right. I
33:30could, I could, Oh, let me, I
33:33gotta look at a hundred
33:34hundred's deal. It's his salary
33:372025 fully guaranteed. Now I
33:39gotta hold on a minute. Now. I
33:40don't know. I said, no, I'm
33:41just off the top of my head.
33:42Cause I, I know his numbers for
33:432024, but I don't remember his
33:44numbers for 2025. That's
33:46embarrassing. All right. Hold on
33:47a minute. I love it. Now I'll
33:50get you the love that you're
33:52getting in the chat. All right.
33:55Right. Oh, is the Honda Hendry
33:58has 6.65 million dollars of his
34:01salary guaranteed for 2025.
34:04All right. Matthew June should
34:05definitely beat that. Okay. And
34:08you know, saying that's, that
34:09should be the very minimum.
34:11All right. That's the, all of
34:13Hunter Henry. All right. If
34:14you're getting willing to
34:15guaranteed a tight end, all
34:18right, a tight end, a fully
34:20guaranteed contract at 2025,
34:24you should be able to guarantee
34:25that offered Matthew June. All
34:27right. I think that the hangup
34:29is 20, 25 and 20 to 26. All
34:33right. Um, we will see what
34:36happens folks. I'll be, I'm
34:38still on the record saying he's
34:40going to get extended. I, I
34:42think all this other stuff is
34:44just nonsense. Now all this
34:45noise is just nonsense. Um,
34:50we'll see what happens. I could
34:51be wrong. All right. Um, but if
34:56I'm wrong, it's more likely
34:58that I'll be wrong because he,
35:02the two sides that either
35:04somebody came in and offered the
35:06page is a great deal in the
35:07trade. And it's saying, it's
35:09like, like he's two sides come
35:13to, uh, reach an impasse. The
35:16patient's saying, you don't see
35:17if you can find a trade partner
35:18if they can, and if they do,
35:20they give us what they want.
35:21You can go, we'll move on.
35:23That's more, if I'm wrong,
35:25that's the more likely scenario
35:26that happens. All right. Well,
35:29man, okay. I want to make sure
35:33the computing is going. That's
35:35what, that's what Matt, that's
35:36what Matt ends up getting
35:38traded because I think he gets
35:42traded. I, especially if the
35:45guys, the young guys show up in
35:47the, in training camp. I mean,
35:53Eculate, who else do we need to
35:56them for the show up to be
35:57really the top three, to be a
35:58quality Jeremiah farms, then
35:59far more played a lot of nose
36:01tackle last season.
36:01Yeah. So it's like, if like
36:08they just need one of those
36:09guys, one of those guys and
36:11then say, bye, go, gotcha. And
36:13then you got younger and
36:14cheaper. I'm not saying they got
36:15better because the NFL, when
36:17you, I'm not saying they got
36:18better, but they got younger and
36:19cheaper. All right. Um, I don't
36:24think he's going to be in a
36:24roster. If I, if I'm doing a 53
36:26man roster, I'm not, I'm not
36:28putting no, I'm not putting them
36:29on the roster. All right. I
36:31don't like, I'm not putting up
36:34just because if he's that, like
36:36literally he's talking about
36:37this money thing. I'm like, man,
36:39you're not getting. Okay. So I
36:41looked it up. All right. In
36:43terms of cap and cash this year,
36:46he's in the top 15. All right.
36:49And API he's in a 30th. I'm
36:51like, but he can't go that much
36:53more. I want to bring up the
36:55guard shot stuff. All right.
36:57And so doesn't it feel like
36:58really all he wants is maybe
36:59just guarantees for this year,
37:01not an extension, but just so he
37:03knows he has some money since
37:04none of it's guaranteed.
37:07Oh, I wish that was it. That'd
37:09be so simple to do. Cause
37:10literally you could just give
37:11him a raise. Right. Literally
37:13you could give him like, he's
37:16going to get a $3.3 million this
37:18year in cash. That's what he's
37:19doing. Right. You can give him
37:21$12 million pro rate over next
37:23year. And we're done. Yeah. If
37:25that was it. It's really so
37:27simple. If it was just that it
37:30would be done like this. So you
37:32think he wants an extension
37:33since we're going through a big,
37:34like, like, I think he wants an
37:36extension that pays him more
37:38than what they think he's
37:39worth. Cause if it was, if the
37:43two sides could agree, um, on
37:46like, if Mike reset said
37:47something about maybe they do
37:50something about incentives and
37:51stuff like that. Right. If that
37:54was to happen, I think it would
37:56that's the, that's the second
37:58easiest thing to do. All right.
38:00Is, but the play has to agree to
38:01it. I'm not sure I would, if I
38:03was gotcha on his shoes, I would
38:05do it. All right. I definitely
38:07wouldn't do it. Um, it's, I
38:09would see if I would definitely
38:10do it if I was Judah because he
38:12played in so few games, he
38:14doesn't, it's so be so easy to
38:17give him millions and millions
38:19of millions of dollars and not
38:20likely be earned incentives. You
38:23could tag it, you know, you got
38:25sacks, you got available to
38:26them. You got the winds, you got
38:28improvement in defensive. Oh,
38:30that'd be tough because the team
38:31was pretty good. But so let's
38:33say they have, you place, you
38:37got the snaps, you could tie it
38:39to snaps and wins. You can tie
38:40it to snaps and wins and play
38:42out for films. So probably want
38:44to say it's so much easier for
38:45him than for gotcha. Um, I just
38:52gotcha has to be thinking. I
38:53looked at this the other day,
38:54let me look at my table again.
38:56A lot of it. I started thinking
38:59like he can't ask for that much
39:00more than what he is right now.
39:03I was on the same page. Cause
39:05we're talking about like,
39:05obviously he is vital to their
39:07run defense, but this is a team
39:09that like you mentioned with
39:10Lawrence guy has already shown
39:11that they make this
39:12philosophically be moving on.
39:14And we've heard from players and
39:15coaches that one of the big
39:16emphasis that they had for this
39:18season was having an improved
39:20pass rush. And as good as the
39:21bond got tries against the run,
39:23he gives you almost nothing
39:24on the other end of the
39:25spectrum. So I don't really
39:27understand where the leverage is
39:29for him because it makes no
39:30sense because the other guys
39:32give you both, they give you
39:33pass rush and run defense and
39:34gotcha is more of a one trick
39:36pony. That makes it pretty
39:37tough. Even though he is a rare
39:38body type on the team.
39:39Okay. So like, all right, let's
39:41let, let's look at the bills.
39:42I'll, I'll have a 17 million
39:44dollars a year. All right. Is
39:47gosh, I was getting 10.4. Let.
39:50Um, I don't think that gotcha
39:53is at all of them. No, no. Okay.
39:55All right. So let's, let's put
39:57the, okay, let's put the
39:58difference. Grover Stewart in
40:02Stewart in the coast, 13 million
40:04dollars. It's closer, closer.
40:07Okay. See, right. So that, so
40:09that if, if gosh, I think she's
40:12at all of them, Patriots thinks
40:14he's Grover Stewart. Okay. Yeah.
40:17You're not going to get it and
40:19they can't come to an agreement.
40:22Nothing. I don't know how you
40:23bridge that gap. You can't bridge
40:26that gap. You got to want it. And
40:33I, and I don't blame the pages
40:37for saying things like that. I,
40:39I wouldn't do it if he thinks
40:40he's, if he thinks he's at all
40:42of a walk away. Yeah. Just walk
40:45away. It's like, you can't make
40:46a deal and he's going to be
40:47unhappy about it. Walk away.
40:50And that's, and they've already
40:52shown they're willing to do that
40:53in free agency with Pharaoh
40:54Brown, with Mack Wilson, with
40:55Miles Bryant. Like as much as
40:57they've been rewarding people on
40:58the team that they like, they've
41:00also shown like, no, we have our
41:01price for certain guys, really
41:02role players. I feel like you're
41:04run first player. If you're a
41:06role player, you're not going to
41:07like July to buy is kind of in
41:09between because he is more of an
41:10early down player, but he is
41:12good in coverage. He does give
41:13you some pass rush. So I
41:15understand giving him the
41:16extension, but those other guys,
41:18it's like, no, I understand what
41:19they're doing because those are
41:20just guys who are more
41:21rotational versus like
41:23cornerstones who are consistently
41:24making those impact plays.
41:26Cause again, even gotcha as good
41:27as he is against the run. He's
41:29not Anthony Jennings where
41:30Anthony Jennings is getting you
41:31tackles for loss. He's getting
41:33stuck. It's like the stat sheet
41:34is favorable and gotcha. I even
41:36said in the tweet where he's
41:37like, yeah, a lot of what I do
41:38doesn't show up in the stat
41:39sheet. That's valuable in some
41:41schemes into a certain degree.
41:42But you know, if you're going to
41:44be paying somebody, like you
41:45said, and all of her money, you
41:47got to show up on the statute as
41:48well. And that just might not be
41:49got y'all's game.
41:50Yeah. And you can't, like you
41:52said before, you can't, it's
41:53hard to bridge that difference.
41:54And that's where I think.
41:57That's what a difference is.
41:58I look with Judon, I, I don't,
42:00I don't think it's the
42:02valuation of his play.
42:04I think it's the structure of
42:05the deal that's to hold up.
42:07And that's saying, I think
42:09that's the difference in those
42:10two players.
42:11But Judon is one you think is
42:12going to get done.
42:13I think it's going to get done
42:14because I think it's more about
42:15the structure of the deal than
42:17the valuation of his play.
42:18So it's one of those, it's
42:19really just wait and see.
42:20They got to do the behind the
42:21scenes work, but it's not.
42:23They have until.
42:27They really have until what
42:29the if he's going to hold in
42:32that he could hold in.
42:33All right. But they they get
42:34the July, they like to get
42:35everything done by July 24th.
42:37All right.
42:38So what's what are we less
42:40than a week away?
42:41All right.
42:42We'll see what happens.
42:43I mean, if.
42:46OK, I wouldn't be surprised
42:48they get a deal done this week.
42:49No, but before the 24th,
42:51I'd be surprised they get a deal
42:53done with Gotcha.
42:54I would be surprised.
42:55And I folks, I don't.
42:57Yeah, I'd be surprised because
42:58I think it's more like I said
43:00before, and I hate to repeat
43:00myself. Judon's about the
43:02structure of the deal.
43:03Gotcha is about the valuation of
43:04life. And that's a big
43:05difference.
43:06All right. That's huge because
43:07the way I've been thinking about
43:08it, I'm thinking about the play
43:10and then being worried about that
43:11because of the age and the injury
43:13and all those things.
43:13But that doesn't make sense.
43:14And it may not be that because
43:16he has been such an effective
43:17player. And I understand both
43:19ends of what they're saying.
43:20We know exactly what we're going
43:21to get, but it's really just
43:23in how that's going to work out if
43:24he does want to, like you said,
43:25retire a Patriot.
43:26That makes a ton of sense.
43:28All right. Another one I got for
43:29you. Those are guys like Matt
43:31Judon. We'll put him on the
43:32extension candidates.
43:33Who else do you think on this
43:34Patriots roster is likely to get
43:36extended? Because I'm pretty sure
43:37we're on the same page here.
43:38OK, OK.
43:40I used to say Peppers.
43:42I used to say Peppers.
43:43All right. I am now saying
43:45that he's going to get a
43:46transition time next year.
43:48All right. I still think like
43:50we keep on
43:52bringing up the interior
43:53defensive line, but
43:55Ecklidge makes way much a lot
43:57of sense to get extended during
43:58the season if you let go of
43:59guard shots.
44:01Brandon Schouler.
44:03Is an excellent candidate,
44:05and they would just drive to people
44:06who hate special teams crazy.
44:08I'm sorry to distract you.
44:08Quick question on him.
44:09So can he be extended because he
44:11was undrafted?
44:12Yes. I was thinking in my head,
44:13he's like he was only he's only
44:14been in because he's
44:15undrafted.
44:17You can extend an undrafted play
44:18after two seasons.
44:19You can extend a drafted rookie
44:21after three seasons.
44:22This is why I talk to you.
44:25This is the fine print.
44:26I don't know. OK, thank you.
44:27I've been wanting to mention him
44:28as an extension candidate.
44:29I think like an episode we did a
44:30couple of weeks back, I was like,
44:31wait, is that even an option?
44:32Can they do it?
44:33Yeah, it is an option.
44:34It is an option.
44:35He's sixth on my list.
44:38I had five.
44:39They got three done.
44:41I think they'll get Judon done.
44:43I am less and less hopeful
44:45about Peppers getting done.
44:46I think he's going to get
44:47transition tag.
44:48Well, I would love to be wrong,
44:50but he like see, like if I'm
44:52Peppers, I'm asking for the same
44:54deal as Duggar.
44:55Hmm.
44:56You know, saying, yeah, I think
44:57I'm just I'm just asking the same
44:59way I'm asking my older.
45:01Huh?
45:01He's not even that much older.
45:02Yeah, exactly.
45:04Yeah, he's not around the same age.
45:06I'm asking about the same money
45:07because especially
45:09if we get closer to the end
45:11of this season, we'd have a better
45:13feel of what.
45:15Oh, I think we shouldn't say I
45:16shouldn't say that based on the
45:17hot dogs.
45:19We can guess that the cap
45:21is going to go up.
45:22We just don't know how much say
45:25he should ask.
45:27I think he's as
45:29close against a free agency.
45:30His his value.
45:33Increases.
45:36Do you think with the transition
45:37tag, is that because of how the
45:39safety market looks, where you
45:40have great players like Justin
45:42Simmons who are still with free
45:43agents because they're on the
45:44wrong side?
45:45Like twenty five is that exactly.
45:47And I figured I should have
45:48learned.
45:50I made a mistake in thinking that
45:52I ruled out
45:54the franchise tag for Duggar.
45:56All right.
45:56But I should have thought about
45:58the transition tag.
46:00I know more
46:01and more about foot for Duggar
46:03because, man, they are.
46:05I should have said, well, they got
46:06a lot of cap space.
46:07I'm saying, why not?
46:09The transition tag, you're
46:11saying, so why not?
46:12And.
46:14Who else on this team who's going
46:16to be a free agent?
46:18Besides us, Uche
46:20blows up that you would want
46:22to put put a tag on.
46:23All right.
46:27Yeah, so I should I should
46:28have in hindsight,
46:30I should have thought more about the
46:32transition tag for Duggar
46:34that I did
46:36because once I dismissed the
46:37French franchise tag,
46:39I kind of also dismissed
46:41dismissed the transition tag and
46:42they should have done it.
46:43I should have thought more about
46:44that.
46:45But I think we're on the same page
46:47score. Now that I know it's
46:47possible, I would get there.
46:49I looked at the tweet that I sent
46:51out after remandering Stevenson got
46:52extended. That was another one.
46:54I'm glad we were both on the same
46:55page. That was probably going to
46:56happen when I got Peppers, Judon
46:58and then scores my guys.
46:59The rest, I think they've done a
47:00pretty bang up job.
47:01The other guys, it's more like
47:03like Jonathan Jones.
47:04I wish I could say he's one.
47:05But with the injuries, I don't
47:07even know if he's going to play
47:07past the season.
47:08He might just want to enjoy his
47:10family, enjoy his flying and maybe
47:12walk away from football.
47:13But I would 100 percent agree with
47:15the guys you got there.
47:16All right. Now, moving a bit into
47:17the future, this might be kind of
47:19out there, but I'm curious, is
47:20it too soon to think about what a
47:22potential Drake extension
47:23could look like? Now, obviously
47:24with the cap, it's probably going
47:26to keep going up, although with
47:27that whole like lawsuit and
47:28everything, we don't know how the
47:30lawsuit will affect it.
47:31It won't be the cap.
47:33The cap is based on revenues, not
47:34expenses.
47:35OK, OK.
47:37So what could a potential Drake
47:39May extension look like?
47:40Do you tell me what it's going to
47:41be? Tell me what is going to be
47:43the next three years?
47:44What is it? Is there going to be
47:45a multi time?
47:47Is he in the next three years
47:49will be a multiple pro bowler,
47:51a multiple all pro?
47:53You mean the deal
47:56any player is going to get is based
47:58not only what you could do for me
48:00in the future, but based on what
48:01he's done.
48:02All right.
48:03If he shows up and
48:05he plays at an elite level
48:08and the cap keeps going up.
48:10I wouldn't be surprised
48:13that his first deal.
48:15Is like say for
48:17five years. All right.
48:19I wouldn't be surprised that
48:20number, this total number is
48:22going to be more money than Tom
48:23Brady made in his career as a
48:25patriot.
48:28That's because that's because the
48:30cap was so small.
48:31Right, right.
48:32You're saying, right.
48:33But it wouldn't surprise
48:36me if they're getting fifty five.
48:38Right.
48:39And in three years and the cap
48:40keeps going up.
48:42It's a possibility.
48:43Like if he and he plays well,
48:45let's say that he's getting like
48:46a sixty five, seventy million
48:48dollar a year contract.
48:49I'm saying it's not it's
48:51possible.
48:52I'm like, you know, saying that
48:53if it keeps on going up crazy,
48:55like thirty million dollars a
48:56year just to keep up with
48:58inflation, you know,
48:59say I would say I wouldn't get a
49:01four hundred million dollars.
49:02Is that going to be the range you
49:03think?
49:04I don't know.
49:04I don't know what the cap is
49:05going to be, but I like it also
49:07depends on how well he plays.
49:09I mean, like he stinks.
49:10I mean, even if he's just good,
49:13he's not getting top of the
49:14market thing.
49:15I'm like, I'm just sorry.
49:16I think I know as much as.
49:21Me, I don't see how
49:23the NFL would ever agree to it
49:25during the middle of a CBA
49:27to limit what quarterbacks make.
49:29All right.
49:30And this currency doesn't end
49:32until 20, 20, 30.
49:33All right.
49:33So there's a chance that,
49:36you know.
49:37That by there's not going to be
49:39a limit on how much QB is going
49:41to make, so we go, let's go to
49:4380, let's go to two, three,
49:46ten, three,
49:49you know, three thirty five.
49:52Holy cow.
49:52So when he becomes an after
49:54three years, you're talking
49:56the cap might be around three
49:58fifty.
49:59All right.
50:00Holy.
50:01Thank you.
50:03OK, and the quarterbacks
50:06are making 20 percent of the cap.
50:08Yeah.
50:08Oh, yeah.
50:09Yeah.
50:09They want to limit to maybe 22.
50:12So let's just do 20 percent
50:13to keep it simple, folks.
50:14All right.
50:15Twenty percent of three hundred
50:16fifty million is 70 million
50:17dollars a year.
50:19Jesus Christ.
50:23OK, like, you know,
50:25they like that.
50:28You can't.
50:28So that's why, like you said,
50:31because it's that number
50:32is so large.
50:35It's incredible to think of.
50:37Literally unfathomable.
50:39Huh?
50:40Yeah, unfathomable.
50:41Yeah, yeah.
50:42It's like he has.
50:43I mean, like.
50:46Like.
50:48The.
50:50Beers have a bigger problem
50:52because they got a number one,
50:54you know, saying the higher you
50:55get, so it's like, all right.
50:57So even if.
51:00One of these three players
51:01is going to probably get
51:0270 million dollars a year.
51:03You know, Williams,
51:05Daniels, Omeg.
51:06Yeah, you got to figure
51:07the odds are one of them.
51:08At least one.
51:09Yeah, at least one.
51:10You know, as a Patriots fan,
51:12you're hoping it's me.
51:16Now, OK.
51:17Now, while we're on the topic
51:19of quarterbacks and big money,
51:20we're going to go outside
51:21the Patriots real quick.
51:22Perspective, J.J. McCarthy
51:24and his holdout
51:25trying to get a deal.
51:27OK, OK.
51:27It's not a holdup.
51:28He hasn't signed a contract.
51:29Right.
51:30That's true.
51:30OK, so let's let's not
51:32call the holdup.
51:32He's he's he has yet
51:34to sign a deal.
51:35All right.
51:36He's not withholding his services
51:37because he has no services
51:38to withhold
51:39because he hasn't signed a deal.
51:40What what J.J.
51:42McCarthy's holdup is,
51:44as he's saying,
51:44I'm a quarterback.
51:46All right.
51:47I want to get my signing bonus
51:49all in one one payment.
51:52That's what has happened
51:53at the top of the at the market
51:55until this year.
51:58Drake, Drake may
51:59got all of his 20 million
52:00dollar plus signing
52:01boats and all in one payment.
52:02All right.
52:03Michael Penix, who was drafted
52:05eight, got all of his signing
52:06bonus in one payment.
52:07J.J. McCarthy says I was 10.
52:10I'm a quarterback.
52:11I know that's not what you've
52:12done in the past
52:13for other players,
52:14but I'm a quarterback.
52:14We're special.
52:15I just want that.
52:17His deal.
52:18That's all he's asking for.
52:19OK, he's he's just asking
52:21to get the signing
52:21both and all in one payment.
52:24And because you'd ask him
52:26the DM about fully get his deal.
52:28I already know it's going to be
52:29for it's going to be four years
52:30for the guarantee,
52:31because that's what happens
52:32for everyone who's
52:33drafted in the first round.
52:34All right.
52:36So imagine Minnesota.
52:39You drafted J.J. McCarthy.
52:42All right.
52:43And yet you're arguing
52:45about when you're going to pay
52:46the signing bonus.
52:47Why do you do?
52:48Why is it?
52:49Why does it matter?
52:50It's literally like
52:51why are you doing this?
52:52Why are you arguing about
52:53a delay of payment?
52:55Just just just giving the money.
52:57I'm like, you don't want
52:58to set the precedent.
52:59You don't want to be trapped.
53:00Are you going to draft another guy?
53:02Right.
53:02You should have a quarterback.
53:04Yeah, right.
53:05If you're worried about precedent,
53:06it's telling the J.J. McCarthy
53:08stinks.
53:08He's just saying
53:10that's what that's what comes.
53:11That's why you saying this.
53:13You're saying you have
53:14no faith in him.
53:15Yeah.
53:15You know, saying so just sign
53:17that you just make it go easy.
53:18Like, I don't like.
53:19So there's three
53:20unsigned draft picks, right?
53:22McCarthy's got the signing bonus.
53:25Seventeen and 18
53:27is probably about when they want the
53:31the salaries in the future
53:32years, if there's going to be salaries
53:34or roster bonus at training camp.
53:36That's it.
53:37Like this, like somebody
53:38that asked me on Twitter,
53:39why are they still unsigned players?
53:41The deal should be done.
53:42And they're absolutely correct.
53:44All these deals like I have
53:47only with the big money deals,
53:49I can see why teams want to wait
53:51on paying the top.
53:52But, you know, number one,
53:54the blah, blah, blah,
53:55because they get such sign
53:56signing bonus.
53:57You might as well hold on to the money
53:58as much as you can
53:58earn interest on it.
53:59All right.
54:02But everybody, everybody else
54:03should be signed like.
54:05Right away, like that's like
54:07literally the second Friday
54:09after the draft over
54:11over 100 players were signed.
54:13And because the deals are done,
54:16so easy to do that, you're choosing
54:20the Vikings, the Bengals
54:22and choosing not to sign the blades
54:25because of whatever
54:26because they decided
54:27it's important to them.
54:30That's why I ask for your perspective,
54:32because it looks like,
54:33oh, why is like JJ being difficult?
54:35But it makes more sense.
54:36This is also why you
54:37you should usually side
54:38with the players
54:38and not the organization.
54:40But Miguel, yes.
54:42Oh, you got anything else?
54:43No, no. Yes.
54:44I'm a big time player thing.
54:46So, yeah, I know.
54:47We're on the same page about that.
54:49Very rarely.
54:49You're going to see us
54:50siding with billionaires.
54:51But Miguel, it's always awesome
54:53getting a perspective.
54:54But I appreciate you so much.
54:56Before I let you go,
54:57please let the people know
54:58where they can find you.
54:59What great stuff
55:00you got coming down the pipeline
55:01that we should all be looking out.
55:02OK, I'll be I'm always on
55:04Twitter at Pats Cap.
55:05You hopefully, hopefully
55:07in a couple of weeks,
55:08the Patriots will keep me busy
55:09with some more extensions.
55:11I will be incredibly busy.
55:15The roster cut down day.
55:17So feel say a prayer for me
55:18because they go from one
55:20that's a multiple roster.
55:22I just have one.
55:26But it's going to be
55:28other than that, I look,
55:29I'm trying to decide
55:31decide what I'm going to
55:32hope to see you guys at training camp.
55:35I'm just trying to decide
55:37when I can take the day off
55:39because work has been crazy.
55:41But other than that,
55:43I I'm looking forward to the season.
55:45I'm looking forward to seeing
55:47Drake May look at seeing the scenes
55:49of Popcorn Popcorn with
55:51Baker and hopefully.
55:55I hope to draft the Mario Douglas
55:58in my fantasy football league.
56:00I don't think anybody.
56:01I'm in the SP.
56:02I'm in the Scott
56:02Fishbowl 14 league thing.
56:05And some of those
56:06I follow most of the guys in there,
56:07but I don't think
56:08they can listen to this podcast.
56:09So, yes, I'm going to try to get
56:10the Mario Douglas
56:11and later drown to the draft.
56:15Fingers crossed for you, buddy.
56:16Again, thank you so much.
56:18Always a pleasure.
56:19And thank you all,
56:20as always, for watching.
56:21Now, take care of yourselves.
56:23Take care of each other.
56:24We will see you next time.
56:25Peace, y'all.