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Taylor Kyles and Mike Kadlick are joined by Joe Goodberry, a Bengals writer for The Athletic, to preview the Patriots Week 1 matchup against the Cincinnati Bengals.

Tune in as they break down the main positional matchups on the field, provide score predictions, and break down key elements that could determine the outcome.

0:00 - Intro
2:44 - Ja'marr Chase Update
5:21 - Key Matchup Discussion
7:35 - Center Position Analysis
9:11 - Patriots Run Game Strategy
12:00 - Corners vs. Receivers Matchup
14:50 - Bengals' Receiver Rotation
18:03 - Changes in Offense
21:04 - Bengals' Cornerback Competition
23:01 - Patriots' Receiver Questions
29:36 - Bengals Playoff Offense
31:44 - Bengals Offensive Line
35:31 - Burrow's Comfort Level
37:41 - Predictions for Game
41:12 - Patriots Upset Potential


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00:00I am joined by Robert Griffin, the third James White field. Yes, Nina Kimes. All right. So
00:16first play, we're going to look at second into one of the Patriots first offensive plays.
00:22What's going on everyone. Welcome back into another episode of the Patriots daily podcast
00:27here on the CLNS media network. It's my Catholic Taylor Kyle's here for our first opponent
00:32preview with key matchups ahead of week one Patriots versus Bengals. We're going to bring
00:38on a guest from every opponent here throughout the season. And so for week one, we are very,
00:43very pleased, very excited to be joined by Joe Goodberry of Bengals on the brain, great
00:49Bengals coverage out in Cincinnati, a ton of a ton of Twitter stuff, and also a YouTube
00:55channel over there. So we'll, we'll plug that later on to Joe, but first and foremost,
01:00thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate you helping us kick off week one
01:03here. Yeah, I'm excited. Thanks for having me on guys. I mean, the first week to these
01:08two teams going at it, it's kind of fun, you know? Yeah, it's going to be great for sure.
01:12It's a, it's sort of a, a top of the NFL barrel team in the Bengals than a bottom of the barrel
01:18team with the Patriots. We're going to kind of go through an overview of each team. Of
01:22course, the Patriots, as we know, number three, overall pick new head coach, a new
01:26general manager, a de facto GM and Elliot Wolf kind of gearing things, kicking things
01:31off.
01:32And it's funny, it kind of feels like they're almost in Bengals mode from a few years ago
01:35where, you know, they drafted Joe Barrow and maybe they're, they need another season. They're
01:39looking for the next top five pick, which they obviously use on Jamar Chase, but really
01:44it feels like a, you know, a two to three year rebuild here with the Patriots and where
01:48they're at. But Joe, how do, how do you guys out in Cincy sort of see week one and I guess
01:55just an overview of where the Bengals are at heading into 2024, obviously a ton of storylines,
02:00one coming out today, obviously with Jamar Chase, but where the Bengals at right now?
02:03Yeah, I guess expectations are as high as they can be. You know, you're hoping it's
02:07the year after Brady hurt his knee, you know, and you come back and it's like, let's, you
02:11know, let's, let's roll it. Is the quarterback healthy? And if he is, you feel really good
02:14about your chances when Burrow has been healthy for, you know, in 2021 and 2022, they were
02:20knocking on the door of the Superbowl twice, you know, and you feel like you can get back
02:23there again, they've drafted well, they've added pieces in free agency. And then the
02:27only really thing hanging up there is the Jamar Chase really sitting out holding in
02:31all of summer. And it seems like we're getting close to that culmination. Maybe we've got
02:35a deal coming soon. I would have to happen here in the next, you know, two to three days
02:39as the game's about to kick off, but it does feel like we're heading to that. And if everything
02:43is right, expectations are high. You guys have been there for a long time. You know
02:48what it's like when you're kind of not the underdog anymore and your teams are ready
02:52to take shots at you. The schedule looks a little bit harder when you get there, but
02:55yeah, I think we're, we're all looking big picture here and hoping it's, we're still
02:58there in January.
02:59For sure. Jamar Chase, because he did miss so much time, obviously I was thinking it
03:05kind of reminded me of the Darrell Revis situation when he had his whole holdout in 2010. How
03:10much do you actually expect him to play week one? Is it going to be really, they have certain
03:13packages, only critical situations. What are you expecting his snap total to look like?
03:19So I suspect he's been getting the work in on the side and whether that's physically
03:22and mentally, we know that he and Burrow, you know, back to the LSU days already have
03:26that connection that should not take long. And I feel like they're getting their work
03:30in in the practice bubble when no one's around to Joe Burrow has kind of alluded to that
03:34today that don't worry, he's gotten his reps and we've taken care of him. He's been in
03:38all the meetings. He's ready to go. As soon as the word go, it happens here. And I suspect
03:43it will. And I think that because of the other weapons on the offense, they don't have to
03:48directly throw 15 targets to Jamar Chase week one, right? It doesn't have to be that, but
03:53they're saying that no, he's ready to go right now was how Joe Burrow, every time he was
03:57asked today at the presser, he was, he's ready to go. He's ready to go, ready to go today.
04:02And so, I mean, it gives you the confidence that they are.
04:06And the way you, the way you can look at that too, right. It's like you mentioned it
04:09already where they already have that report. They've played together for so long and it's
04:12also not a new offense they're inputting. So it's not like Chase really has to be there
04:16for, you know, install period one install period two. They can, you know, shuffle the
04:22depth chart around a bit while he's no holding in and still like you mentioned, getting his
04:26work in for Joe with Joe Burrow. So as long as he's in shape, which again, a superstar
04:31athlete trying to get paid that much money at this kind of you know, seven is career
04:35like he is, you're going to assume that he's taking the best care of his body imaginable.
04:39So I'm with you. I think once that, once his name is signed on a dotted line, I don't even
04:45really see that being much of a snap count restriction on Sunday. He's out there, he's
04:48ready to go. They know where to put him in and the rest of the guys know where to fall
04:51in line.
04:52So obviously that's that's kind of where we're at right now. We'll see if that crosses the
04:57finish line before Sunday. But the way we're going to do these opponent key matchup previews
05:02for the game for those watching is like I said, we're going to bring in a guest from
05:06each from each opponent. And that guest who is Joe today and Taylor are each going to
05:12give their key matchups to the game. And that's sort of going to be our structure, but we're
05:16going to turn it into a conversation as well. So without further ado, Joe, key matchup number
05:21one for Patriots versus Bengals on Sunday in Cincinnati.
05:25Yeah, I'm going to go with the offense and defense line offensive line for the Bengals
05:29or I'm sorry, defensive line for the Bengals. They've lost two defensive ends in camp. First,
05:34it was cam sample, a left defensive end, very good against the run. And then the last year's
05:37first round pick Myles Murphy, he's on IR is going to miss the first four weeks. So
05:41they're a little weak at defensive end and a defensive tackle. They lost DJ reader in
05:45the offseason. They replaced him with a completely different type of player and Sheldon Rankins
05:49who's more of a pass rusher, not that nose tackle type that DJ reader is. And then when
05:54I look across the other side, I say, well, the Patriots, I'm not sure who the five starters
05:58even are right now. Like who are they going to put out there on Sunday? Maybe they're
06:01trying to, you know, keep it under wraps a little bit. But as a draft guy, I look at
06:06a lot of prospects they've drafted recently and I see a few of these guys. I'm like, okay,
06:09maybe that's the plan. Maybe they're going to get these young guys that get their feet
06:12wet. But I guess the matchup to watch and look at is who's that left tackle for the
06:17Patriots versus Trey Hendrickson.
06:19He doesn't move. He's going to be at right defensive end. He's going to rush from there.
06:23And as a strictly pass rusher, I think he's a top five to eight pass rusher, not great
06:27against the run. So maybe that's his weakness, but do they have someone to block him? And
06:31what does the offensive line look like for you guys? Yeah, well, this is one of mine
06:35as well. So I feel like we're going to have a lot of overlap, but that's because I think
06:38the key matchups really are pretty loud. So what it's been in practice is that left tackle.
06:43It's been old friend shook. So Cora Ford, who I know you're very familiar with, but
06:48he's never really gone up against Trey Hendrickson because he was a right tackle for the Steelers.
06:52He was really towards most of the late part of the summer for the Patriots. Then Darian
06:56Lowe, who was the left tackle for them, was actually having a pretty solid summer for
07:00someone who's really been a career backup, ended up having an abdominal injury that's
07:04held him out the last couple of weeks. So choose his foot to the left side. Then it
07:08left guard. It has been city. So he ended up suffering an ankle injury against the commanders.
07:13So now there, it looks like it actually might be a combination of Nick Leverett, the former
07:18Tampa Bay Buccaneer, and then Michael Jordan, another former Vangel guy you're very familiar
07:23with. Those two guys have been repping on the left side next to Chuco Cora force. So
07:27I think Michael Jordan's probably going to get elevated and obviously week one, you typically
07:31with some offensive lines that aren't really set, see some level of rotation. Then center,
07:35obviously David Andrews, right guard. We've got Leighton Robinson, a rookie. He has had
07:40a very good summer, but also when it comes to handling power at times, because he's a
07:45really high cut guy, he has been put on skates that led, I don't know if you saw the big
07:49hit on Jacoby Berset in the commander's game. That was cause Robinson got pushed into city.
07:54So blew up the entire place. So as much as I like him, I'm going to be very curious how
07:59he handles BJ Hill and especially Sheldon Rankin to the Patriots. Actually, apparently
08:05we're interested in free agency and he's gangbusters, man. Like as a pass rusher, he's a scary dude.
08:10He's big, he's explosive. He moves really well. Then it writes half you got Mike and
08:14when who I kind of liked that matchup against Sam Hubbard and I'm with you when it comes
08:17to the run game, I feel like the Patriots can dominate. Even, you know, we've been listening
08:22to Scott Peters as he's coaching up the offensive line. We can't say what he's been saying.
08:26It's very obvious. He's super familiar with the Bengals. He knows how they want to handle
08:30all these run schemes. So I think technically these guys are going to know what to do, but
08:34with two with a backup at left guard and then a rookie at right guard, I'm not as comfortable
08:39as I really want to be with the interior. Really the only matchup I'm comfortable with
08:44is Mike and when you and Sam Hubbard, but they're going to have to give a choose some
08:48help. Obviously the scheme, like, you know, the Browns, they like to do as much as they
08:52can to take some pressure off their quarterbacks and offensive lines. So now that you do know
08:56what that lineup is looking like, I'm curious how you feel both as pass rushing unit and
09:01as a run defense unit, because the run defense is the one place I feel like the Patriots
09:04could potentially dominate with like David Andrews, Layton Robinson and Mike and when
09:08you, yeah, we say the Bengals as a, probably an average pass rush unit as a whole, but
09:13a Trey Hendrickson, that's a very good player. So, you know, when they rotate to these other
09:17guys, that was when the issues could come around and for the Bengals without having
09:21Miles Murphy out there, they're turning to Joseph Osai, who's going into his fourth year.
09:26He's flashed for years, but he's never been able to put it together. He's probably going
09:29to rotate in with Sam Hubbard at the left end spot and be the other pass rusher opposite
09:33of Trey Hendrickson, a still advantage, Michael, and when you there, I think it's that defensive
09:37tackle and you're talking about the run game for the Patriots, the Bengals are probably
09:41going to be a poor run defense team losing DJ reader and not really replacing him with
09:48a veteran at that spot. They spent two draft picks, Chris Jenkins, Michigan round two,
09:52and then McKinley Jackson in the third round. McKinley Jackson's also on IR. So it'll be
09:57Chris Jenkins. And then third round pick from three years ago, Zach Carter from Florida,
10:02not a really good run defender. Honestly, not really good at anything. He is the type
10:05of guy who can't take on double teams at all. Chris Jenkins is not a big dude either when
10:09they rotate these guys in, it's going to be interesting to see if they can hold up
10:13and keep the linebackers clean at all. If I was a Patriot side, I would definitely be
10:16saying we're running it. We're running up right up the middle and we're going to aim
10:19our run towards Hendrickson if we can on that side, despite having the advantage on the
10:23right side. So I'm with you. I think the Bengals need to stop this run, stop the play action
10:27so they can get into true pass rush situations and unleash Hendrickson.
10:33And that actually just what last thing we can kind of put a bow on this, but I was watching
10:36the Browns when they played the Bengals in the opener last season. It seemed like most
10:40of their successful runs were either towards the left or cutting back to the left. There
10:44were a couple like pin pull runs they had towards Sam Hubbard that worked as well. But
10:48I'm with you, Trey Henderson for as great as he is as a pass rusher, it did seem like
10:52he and the guys that they were kind of rotating at that spot where people did Alex Van Pelt
10:56and Scott Peters were targeting in the ground game. So that'll be really interesting to
10:59see.
11:00I mean, Gerard Mayo and Alex Van Pelt both are on record saying that this is going to
11:04be a run first offense. And so yes, those, those tackles, both left and right side are
11:09going to struggle. You have a matchup there. Like you mentioned, Taylor with on when you
11:14on Hubbard that, you know, you feel pretty good about, but that's still is to Colby's
11:17front side. You have Hendrickson on the backside with left tackle being such a question mark.
11:22So obviously one to watch there, but again, they're going to try and run the football
11:26with Ramond Ray Stevenson, Antonio Gibson, and the rest of that bunch.
11:29All right. So that's key, a key matchup. Number one for Joe on the Bengal side, Taylor, what
11:33is your key matchup? Number one on the Patriots side.
11:36All right. So mine, I'm actually going to go with the Patriots corners versus the Bengals
11:41wide receivers. And we already talked about Jamar chase. If he ends up playing, there's
11:46so many different ways the Patriots could handle this matchup because even Christian
11:50Gonzalez said two headed monster of T Higgins of Jamar chase. They're not the only guys
11:55in this Bengals receiver core, obviously that you have to think about, but they are very
11:59clearly the ones who are going to be highlighted in the game plan.
12:02So I'm trying to figure out, do you put Christian Gonzalez on the boundary? That was what they
12:06did in the opener against the Eagles and other team with dynamic duo wide receiver. Basically
12:10we're like, Hey, if it's AJ Brown, Devante Smith, we don't care. Just make sure he doesn't
12:14get behind you tackle, do all that stuff. Or do they go back to the really old school
12:18Patriots game plans where they say, you know what, we're going to put Gonzalez on T Higgins,
12:23have him one-on-one and then Jamar chase, you're getting Marco Wilson, John Jones, whoever.
12:27And then we're probably going to shade someone that way. And especially cause I actually
12:31am curious what your take is on this. Cause I read that Jamar has been playing more in
12:35the slot last season. I'm not sure how much that's going to happen this year, but even
12:38there, I was asking God. So like, do you like to shadow or stick to the boundary? He didn't
12:43bite on it. He wouldn't tell me anything, but even there, it's like, all right, if you're
12:46worried about where chase is going to be, do you just say Gonzo? Like he's been even
12:50following popping at the slot at times this summer, do they say, that's your guy? This
12:54is why you are premier corner go up against Jamar chase.
12:56It's going to be a battle, but we trust you more than anybody else. So I think that's
13:00going to be fascinating. We saw in 2022, Joe burrow was just eating those undersized
13:05corners alive. Marcus Jones T Higgins was just difficult to watch. They did a good job
13:10to stop the bleeding. You know, it was a four point game only gave up three plays. I think
13:14it was a 20 yards or more. So the game plan worked to a degree, but you still don't really
13:19love those matchups with the smaller guys. So I'm thinking maybe Alex Sauston and Marco
13:23Wilson mix in with John Jones, with Marcus Jones, it's going to be fascinating because
13:27there's a ton of options. Maybe they switch it up, but at the very least, we're going
13:31to get a good battle between Christian Gonzalez and whoever he's lining up against.
13:34Yeah. And the Bengals are going to throw the ball last two years, Joe burrows on pace to
13:38lead the league in attempts and drop back. So I, you know, this is a team that's going
13:41to drop back 40 plus times, no matter what the situation is. And you're, you bring up
13:46that last time they played and that was a windy, cold, kind of a nasty, sunny, but nasty
13:51day to throw the ball. And they didn't care. They threw it, they threw it all down the
13:55field. And, uh, I, I expect it again. And that you, it's funny. You bring up the slot
13:59because that is a big thing for the Bengals. It's a big storyline, but it's also, you're
14:04right. Jamar Chase's slot participation has gone up all three years. He's been in the
14:08league. And I was thinking, all right, you let Tyler Boyd walk. I wouldn't be surprised
14:11if Jamar Chase is in the slot much more. You look at the number one receivers around the
14:15league and their slot slot participation is nearing in the 50% range.
14:19If you want to, in fantasy terms, a wide receiver, one, a top 12 production type season. And
14:24last year was about a quarter of a snaps. So I would expect at least that from the old
14:29offense, but new offense here, a little bit with a new coordinator, quarterbacks, coach
14:33being promoted to offensive coordinator, and he hasn't been able to participate really.
14:37I mean, you can be in meetings, you can do all that, but there's a, there's a little
14:40nuance to the slot. That's a little different than the outside. If you're going to do it
14:42at a 50% clip. So that's something I can't wait to see. Does it, is it a slow progress
14:47through the season where we see more of Jamar Chase? And that's how we see Jermaine Burton,
14:50the third round pick out Alabama filling in on the outside. But to me, I think if I
14:55was the Patriots and it sounded like today, they're like, we're preparing for chase to
14:59be out there. And why wouldn't you write? Why wouldn't he be on the field? Even if he
15:01doesn't get a contract done, but I would do that. I would double chase and I would try
15:06and say, all right, our best corner. And I was a big Gonzalez fan when he was coming
15:09out too.
15:10So I was interested in to see what you were going to say. This is also one of my top matchups.
15:14Is he going to shadow, right? And if not one-on-one with T Higgins would be a blast to watch that
15:19would be some good film to watch. Can the Bengals though, well, one of these third receivers
15:24step up for them right now. It's Andre Yosivash second round, second year player, sixth round
15:29out of Princeton, smart dude, but six, four runs a four, three. He writes, that's weird
15:34to find out that he can play the slot. He did it this summer for the first time.
15:38And they're like, Whoa, that's our slot guy. We will see though. I'm expecting a heavy
15:41rotation between he, whether it's rotating Jermaine Burton in, if he's active Trenton
15:47Irwin, who seems to make plays whenever he's out there. I think he scored against you guys
15:50last time. And then Charlie Jones out of Purdue was last year's fifth round pick. So like,
15:57or fourth round pick, they've used him as a speed slot type option. A lot of jet motion,
16:02giving them the ball in the backfield screens and then speed slot type down the field.
16:06Can you split those safeties? So he'll get mixed in as well. That's, they have a rotation
16:11for wide receiver three, even though Yosivash is going to lead that. I'm excited to see
16:14what that looks like completely. We've speculated on our side, the whole off season of who that
16:20guy's going to be and what the rotation is going to be. But I think there's a chance
16:23for, Hey, if they're going to double chase, if you're going to put your best corner and
16:26let's say the Patriots are winning those matchups just based on, you know, talent and numbers,
16:31can that number three guy win his job?
16:34So no, no, that's my fault, Taylor. I just quickly on the wide receiver three competition
16:40out there. It's easy that we're talking about because it feels like a healthy dose of, you
16:45know, all, all two, all three guys rotating Jermaine Burton and et cetera. But if chase
16:50can't go and then Higgins turns into, or doesn't go rather Higgins go turns into that, you
16:55know, go to de facto wide receiver one in the offense, the, you know, the main target,
17:00do those guys have what it takes to be wide receiver two in this offense and take a majority
17:04of the reps instead of just being those rotational rotational pieces when you go into an 11 personnel
17:09versus 12, et cetera.
17:11We have the same questions. And, uh, D when Jamar is miss games, he's averaging over a
17:15hundred yards a game. So like he has always stepped up into that and done his thing. Uh,
17:20but at the same time, if you have good corners and you guys got a first rounder over there,
17:24right. That's going into year two, we should be entering prime time with him. Uh, and if
17:28you want to give safety help, cause there's no other options out there. Yeah. I wonder
17:31the same thing. Are those guys good enough? Can they win one on one matchups consistently?
17:35Are they aren't up in their development to win consistently? We don't have those answers.
17:40And then you start to look up, okay, maybe it's Mike Seki working the slot and moving
17:44around a little bit and being a chess piece. Is he the guy that is that the type of game
17:48where he gets eight plus targets to see if he can do something you guys are familiar
17:51with him. He's a limited player, but still at the same time, can create some matchups,
17:55uh, you know, in a, in a role that I think fits better when you have chase and Higgins
17:59on the outside doing, doing their work. Uh, but yeah, I have the same questions you do.
18:04That was a great question. And mine was, uh, you mentioned the OC change, Dan pitcher,
18:08you know, was a guy that Patriots are interested in, but of course he stays local, made all
18:12the sense in the world. What are the biggest changes you've seen in the offense since he's
18:15taken over? It looks like we're going to see more play action, more under center. And I
18:19don't know that that's him. They also brought in Justin Riscotti, who was an offensive line
18:24and pass game coordinator with the Vikings, uh, you know, in their play action, heavy
18:28wide zone scheme, uh, they bring them over. He's a pass game coordinator now. And you're
18:32seeing that influence of the play action, marrying the pass blocking with what the
18:37quarterback is doing. He's a unique coach for that. Uh, but I think with pitcher, the
18:42most interesting thing is more screens. So more of a rotation at that third wide receiver
18:47spot, more of a rotation at tight end, more of a committee approach at running back. That
18:52probably is the biggest thing why they traded away Joe Mixon. I don't, I don't think they
18:56want the bell cow guy anymore. I think they want to go with chase Brown and Zach Moss
19:01and have guys that are interchangeable that can make guys miss and get a little bit after,
19:06uh, contact. And if you get it to chase Brown on a screen, that guy can rip one off. I think
19:12that is the biggest thing is we're going to see a heavy mixture at running back.
19:16So funny. We always say like, Oh, you never find these six plus receivers run four threes.
19:20And apparently the bangle is just to have guys to spare. That's so of course that's
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20:54C L N S. All right. Uh, we talked about two matchups so far. I think both of you guys
20:58had both of those on your plate. So I believe we may have one, if not two more. Uh, but
21:03Joe, what do you got for us for yet? Another key matchup here in Patriots for things.
21:07Yeah. So another big conversation in Cincinnati, this off season was what are the bangles going
21:12to do at corner? Who's going to win this job? Dax Hill, uh, first round pick a few years
21:16ago as a safety did not have the year they were looking for at safety replacing Jesse
21:20Bates, but they move them to corner this year and directly let him compete with last
21:25year's second round pick DJ turnaround in Michigan. So to Michigan guys, one first rounder,
21:29one second rounder, a cornerback one is cam Taylor Britt.
21:32He's going into year three. He's been a good player playing about 65% of the snaps over
21:36the course of the season. He's done with injuries the last two years, but when he's been out
21:39there, he's been very, very good. And then Mike Hilton in the slot is one of the better
21:43slot guys in the last year of his deal. Uh, and it looks like they may have drafted his
21:47replacement with Josh Newton in round five has been really good in camp and answering
21:51all the questions they had about him. So the number two job was won by Dax Hill. He won
21:55that from safety first year playing corner boundary corner. And it's not that DJ Turner
22:00was bad. He was good as well. He's going to play a role. Uh, they're all going to play
22:04and it's going to be more of a rotation. And in fact, we saw a little bit over the summer
22:08on like third and long type packages where they remove Mike Hilton and bring in DJ Turner.
22:12So it ends up being cam Taylor, Britt Daxhill, DJ Turner, because I think that the speed
22:17issue and man coverage on third and long for Mike Hilton, they spent too many years getting
22:21beat by MVS and the chiefs or wherever their speed slot was. And they're like, we can't
22:25do this. We got to get more speed in that. So I I'm, you know, I want to see how that
22:30plays out. I want to see Dax Hill and what he looks like. He's got a lot of potential.
22:34We're talking about a long guy. That's a great athlete. But then I look across the field
22:38and at the Patriots and I'm thinking, man, I love the two receivers they drafted. When
22:41are they going to play? How much are they going to play? What's it look like? Who's
22:44the number one? So I have, while we have questions to be answered for the Bengals, I have so
22:48many questions for the Patriots receiver unit, not a bad way. I just want to see what it
22:52looks like.
22:53I mean, the Patriots got questions that receivers still do. So Jalen Polk does seem like he's
22:58going to, if not start going to be heavily involved. He and KJ Osborne have pretty much
23:02been the primary receivers of this offense. They kind of the X and zeros are kind of mixed
23:08match because they do use a lot of spread formations where those guys are outside on
23:11line of scrimmage anyway, but they also use a ton of three by ones. So that ISO receiver
23:15simply been Taekwon Thornton. Now we still don't really know what he is yet. He did have
23:20a solid summer, like as a route runner, he's like much improved under the new coaching
23:23staff, but on the ball, we haven't really seen him make a lot of contested catches or
23:28difficult grabs.
23:29And that's really been one of the biggest question marks for him, the consistency in
23:32pretty much every area coaching staff seems to think he's been doing a good job. So as
23:36much man coverage as I know, this Bengals team is going to play, especially when this
23:40Pat's offense goes under center. I, last time they played for set, they always went single
23:45high man and they blitz the inside linebackers, dog, whatever. So there's going to be those
23:49one-on-one match-ups. And one of my keys, if I don't have the receivers in the corners,
23:54but if I did, it would have been Taekwon Thornton has to win a couple of those match-ups and
23:58make the Bengals respect him vertically.
24:00And then another battle I'm really excited to watch is pop versus Mike Hilton. Cause
24:05as much as I like Mike Hilton, like one of the most physical Nichols in the entire game.
24:10I also think that he may not be a great matchup for pop just because the way that this guy
24:15moves, I'm telling you Javon Baker and pop had been the two receivers who looked completely
24:19different than everybody else. Like Javon, his consistency has been great, really fell
24:23off from the early part of the summer. So I wouldn't expect a ton from him unless maybe
24:27he rotates it X a little bit, but pop man, he's embarrassing anybody.
24:32And even Christian Gonzalez, there were two routes where Gonzalez followed him into the
24:35slot and got lost in coverage. It's cause he's fast. He's not a burner, but because
24:40he's quick and can catch you off guard, it's kind of one of those, or once he has a step,
24:44you're in real bad shape. So I'm hoping they can take advantage of some of those match-ups.
24:48We saw Alex Van Pelt use them in motion against the commanders for what could have been a
24:51couple of touchdowns. So I don't know who on the outside is really going to win these
24:56one-on-one match-ups. It's going to be interesting, but if the Patriots want an answer in those
25:00man coverage situations, I think it is going to be pop versus if it's Mike Hilton or whoever
25:05they have in the slot there, that's going to be interesting to see.
25:09My camera went out there almost, but so I, to follow that up, are we going to see a lot
25:15of three wide receiver sets? Is this 11 personnel for the Patriots or is it more like, let's
25:20get tight, let's run the ball down their throats and then third downs, let's spread it out.
25:24It's going to be like what you saw with that 2022 Browns game where it's, or really what
25:29they've been doing where it's all, they want to go outside zone. So they want to get you
25:33in that four down nickel front. They're going to have like Jalen Polk is going to be close
25:37to the formation sometimes just to insert another body, but it's going to be a lot of
25:41that when they want to get to their gap stuff, some of their pin pole stuff.
25:44That's when they're going to get like extra offensive linemen. They're going to get there
25:47like multiple tight end sets. Their tight end depth chart is not looking good. So I
25:51don't know if that's going to work in their favor and not necessarily. And the old line
25:54is just so shallow right now that like Michael Jordan, if he's activated, could be that eligible
25:59tight end. We're not sure yet. Uh, but yeah, I, I think that they're really going to try
26:03to just hammer outside zone, but they're going to do a little bit of everything. Like I think
26:06in the past couple of games, they've used like eight different run concepts. So it's
26:10going to be a doozy, but most of it is going to be spread, um, from 11 personnel under
26:15center trying to get going to the weak side.
26:18Because the Bengals want to be in their nickel. They want Mike Hilton out there. They feel
26:22like he's an advantage. He's a plus one against the run, you know? So I think they want that
26:26they even against the Ravens at times and Ravens are bringing in multiple tight ends,
26:30three tight end sets at times. Bengals will still go out there and they're nickel and
26:34figure it out from there. So they're a heavy rely on that nickel team. Are they just going
26:38to blitz like crazy also? Cause I was looking at the Pats game in 2022 and Mondrian couldn't
26:44get anything going. Cause you just had bodies flying in the gas. Yeah. So Lou Anna rumo
26:48will like to show you one picture and a blitz from another side or show you one picture
26:52pre-snap and switch the coverages completely. So that's his trick. That's how they got to
26:57the Superbowl that year. Teams weren't really weren't onto his game yet. And they were,
27:01he got these quarterbacks in the playoffs that really get confused. And, uh, that's
27:04his specialties to show you one thing and bring it from another.
27:07And that's what Gerard Mayo told us this morning. He said, Lou Anna rumo, you never know where
27:11the pressure's coming from. And he does such a great job disguising, like watching the
27:15preset game. They would have that like double mug zone look where you weren't sure if it
27:19was zero, if they were going to switch to some kind of split field or whatever. And
27:22then it was one of the nickels or somebody in the slot, but sometimes they'd show the
27:26one guy and then he'd bail and the other guy would come. So I can't wait to study this
27:30film, man. This is going to be, this is going to be very fun, but I'm also a little nervous.
27:34They are going to, like you said, they're going to roll, you know, different, different
27:38personnel groupings, 11, 12. They used a lot of 12, um, especially with, you know, Austin
27:43Hooper out there as well alongside Hunter Henry when they were healthy. Um, it seems
27:46like they want to do it, but again, you mentioned it to Taylor. We talked about it as sort of
27:50something that for sets going to have to do here anyway is beat the Bengals deep if he
27:54can stay protected. And so Joe, I'm just curious, one guy in that secondary sign with the Bengals
28:00this off season, Juno stone. He was a stud for Baltimore last year. I think he led the
28:04league in interceptions. It was either last year or the year before he's been great signs
28:07with Cincy. Uh, how has he looked this summer and how much, uh, how much of the Patriots
28:12to go over second, I have to worry about him, uh, in the backend.
28:15So the Bengals gave up the most explosive plays in the league last year and yards per
28:18play. All that was through the roof. Now they lost both safeties, Jesse Bates and Vaughn
28:22bell. And they said, Oh, we're going to replace them with Nick Scott who started a year and
28:26a half with the Rams and shoved Axel into the free safety role. And he just, he never
28:30played that. So it, it was a recipe. You know, the writing was on the wall. Sometimes in
28:34the summer you buy into the hype, but you're like, you know what? Those safeties, I don't
28:37know about that. Well, they ended up getting torched all year long. Uh, and I think that
28:41was like the major thing for them this off season. They're like, okay, go out and get
28:45a safety that can call it, make the adjustments that we need, have clear communication and
28:50ball skills are a plus. Well, Gino stone is that for them. And then Vaughn bell was released
28:54by the Panthers and they said, okay, we'll get you for free. Basically Panthers are paying
28:57your salary. Come on down. Let's fix the communication. Let's get you guys in the right spot. Let's
29:02do this defense the way we want to. It's hard to disguise and do all the things I talked
29:05about Lou Anna Rumo if the safeties aren't what you need them to be. So he corrected
29:10that. So yeah, if we're talking, you know, we want to lean on the run game and hit some
29:14play action passes and go over the top. I expect, you know, stone to be that free safety
29:18type. And there have been days in camp where the defense gave this offense absolutely nothing
29:24to the point where we're like, isn't this like the 31st ranked defense in the league?
29:28Maybe not. Maybe they're back to being good again. Or at least they were like 16th and
29:322021 18th and 2022 like at respectable, but not great. It wasn't until the playoffs that
29:37they've really pulled the rabbit out of the hat on these offenses. Maybe they're back
29:42at least to that mid range, which if that's good enough, if you've got an offense that's
29:46high power and puts the pressure on the opposing offense to be one dimensional and have to
29:51keep up with an offense that can put up 30 points. I think that's where they're hoping
29:54to win. This Bengals offense gets down the field, gets down there early, puts up a touchdown
30:00and then they can start disguising and unleashing whatever plan of attack they have for the
30:04Patriots.
30:06You have one more matchup or are we done here now that we hit the interior offensive line
30:09as well?
30:10Yeah, no, I have. I have actually, yeah, I have one more. I have the Patriots interior
30:15defensive line versus the Bengals interior offensive line. Joe, I actually asked you
30:19about this one last night. As much as I love me some Teddy Karras, the guards for the Bengals,
30:24if I'm a Cincy fan would worry me, especially just looking at the numbers. Like I, I don't
30:28know if there's maybe something hidden in the numbers that I'm not seeing, but like
30:32Cordell Bolson and Alex Kappa have, were two of the worst past protecting guards in
30:36the NFL last season by several metrics and the Patriots, you know, they don't have Christian
30:40bar more in this game.
30:42We don't know for how long, massive, massive loss, but Keon White has looked really good
30:47as an interior rusher. He's even admitted that's he, that's where he feels like he's
30:51the most comfortable. There were times in the preseason, I think it was the Eagles game
30:54where he was just constantly in the backfield, whether it was like splitting double teams,
30:59wasn't always finishing, but against the guy like Joe burrow, obviously it's great
31:02in the pocket, but he doesn't want guys at his feet. I feel like that's going to be big
31:05for them. Also Dietrich wise, he's going to play inside and out as well. But I think if
31:10you want to kind of rotate and get different looks in there, he was really good against
31:14all three of the interior guys for the Bengals when they played in 2022, he's like much better
31:18this year than he did last year.
31:20So hoping we get something there then behind them, honestly, it's not great in terms of
31:24like scary town. You got Daniel equality, who was solid, but he's got short arms. There's
31:29only so much he can do, but he is technique sound and pretty stout. Jeremiah farms, the
31:33guy who I do like, but we've never seen him in a major role. So I'm not really sure if
31:37he can hold up, but he has shown a lot of positive flashes, not a lot of bad, but really
31:42the main thing for me is if you can get this Bengals offense in obvious passing situations
31:47and then kick Dietrich wise or Keon White inside, I feel like they're going to have
31:50a much better chance because Joshua Uche and O'Shane Zimina is two guys who you're
31:54probably going to be relying on to get you some edge heat.
31:58They have both been limited in practice, so I don't even know how much they're going to
32:01play if they're going to be limited. So I think the key for this one is going to be
32:05making burrow uncomfortable on the inside and maybe just trying to be stout on the edge
32:09of show that he can't just roll out and extend plays.
32:11Yeah, the offensive line has been a topic since Burroughs been drafted, whether that's
32:15the Bengals being able to field a good unit at all. I mean, the guys that went to the
32:19Super Bowl in 2021, only one still in the league is Jonah Williams. Everyone else. It's
32:23yeah, they they were on their last leg in the NFL and some of them were never destined
32:27to be starters at all. The injuries happen. And then the following year, when they go
32:30to the AFC Championship game, they have three backups playing again.
32:33They just they were healthy for 15 games. And then Lyle Collins goes down in that Patriots
32:37game late in the year. And then it just cascaded and guys just started getting hurt.
32:41Alex Capa being one of them, too, and Capa dealing with a couple lower leg injuries now
32:46in his career, one with the Bucs when they went to the Super Bowl and one with the Bengals
32:50when they made the AFC Championship run in 2022. It sapped a little bit away from him.
32:56And you can see his lower body isn't as flexible. He doesn't get he doesn't play with the same
32:59leverage and explosion he had early in his career. Still, a fine guard as the same way
33:04that Ted Karras is a fine center. You know, they're either we're going to win because
33:08of their athleticism or size or strength. They don't have a dominant trait. They're
33:12going to mostly do what you need them to do.
33:14Cordovolsen, that left guard is the guy that really we've looked at as the weak link for
33:17a long time. He was a fourth round pick out of North Dakota. Right. You're not expecting
33:22this guy to come in and start right away. And he did. And he's been extremely durable.
33:26He's gotten marginally better every year, but not to the point where he's good. He'd
33:30probably be much better in a run scheme coming from a run scheme in college, like if he was
33:34with the Titans or with the Ravens, he probably would have looked better the last three years.
33:38But with the Bengals that are passing it as much as they do, it leaves him a bit exposed,
33:42especially to a quicker, more athletic pass rushers, guys that can cross his face and
33:46get him to lean a little bit, give him the overextend. They feel good about Orlando Brown
33:50at left tackle, a quality player. He's not great. He's good enough. He's what you would
33:56baseline. He's better than that, but he's not he's not a guy who's going to shut down
34:00a dominant rusher. Not that we know if the Patriots even have one right now at the edge
34:03after Matt Judon was traded away. But at right tackle, you guys know Trent Brown. He's going
34:08to start. They also drafted Amarius Mims in the first round. He earned his pack after
34:12the first preseason game. He's been practicing. I don't expect him to be active week one.
34:17You it's probably like these are two guys, Brown and Mims, that would probably play about
34:2150 percent of their team snaps over the last few years. Right. Whether that's in college
34:25or with the Patriots. And let's let's let's merge them together. It's Voltron this thing.
34:29It's a one good, massive right tackle and it might work out. Let's see.
34:32We said that so many times about the Patriots offensive line last year. Like,
34:35why can't we just combine these guys and let five good guys out there?
34:39So it doesn't work that way. Yeah. So looking at the Bengals, though, and looking at grades,
34:46if you're looking at PFF or anything like that, especially on the interior,
34:48they're not a team that was great at play action. Their pass protection got worse under play action.
34:53That's not supposed to happen. You're supposed to get more time. You're supposed to get less
34:56pressure. And they're a team that leads or near the top, usually in true pass sets, which means
35:02you are letting your offensive line get exposed. Burrow is dropping back and he is throwing that
35:06ball and scanning the field. Unlike the Texans are using a lot of misdirection, a lot of play
35:12action, a lot of under center or the Dolphins, a lot of pre-snap stuff, really hiding that
35:16offensive line, a lot of quick passes, a lot of play action again. So the Bengals expose their
35:20own line and have Burrow just chuck that thing. Again, I said, maybe we're going to see more play
35:26action. Maybe we're going to see more under center, more screens that should help slow down
35:30the pass rush a little bit. I think that's their hope. Increasing the talent, increasing the floor,
35:34but also changing their scheme a little bit to protect Burrow. Has Burrow look comfortable in
35:38that under center kind of world because he's just been in the gun his entire career? He never has.
35:43He has never looked comfortable in his rookie year. It was the truncated offseason, the COVID
35:47year, and they didn't really get to install anything in the offseason, no preseason. And
35:51then they wanted to do it. And it's like, we're like four games in. It's like, hey, he does not
35:55look comfortable. And then 2022, the year after the Super Bowl run, they they're all the run game
36:00was under center wide zone. All their passing game was shotgun. And it's like by week three,
36:04defenses are like, all right, you're in shock and you're going to throw the ball. Let's just
36:07tee off on them. They scrapped it after week four. I think that was the Jets game,
36:12scrapped it, rebuilt their offense completely from shotgun. They end up being like 92% shotgun
36:16the rest of the year. And I think that 8% was just grind the clock down to end of games type
36:20situations. And they just went straight shotgun for the last two years. And that's work.
36:24But if you're telling me you want to run more of what they did with Jake Browning,
36:28which is clearly in their playbook, Browning was successful in that type of offense where
36:32you did more misdirection. I think Burrow saw it and was like, okay, it can work. I have to trust
36:37it. I have to learn it. This has to be a thing I can do. It's the first time he's not dealing with
36:41a calf or an appendectomy or COVID or a knee, right? Cause he blew out his knee as rookie year
36:46two. He's actually had to have a chance to practice these things all off season and summer.
36:51I'm hoping for the best, but that's something I don't know. I hope so.
36:55Gerard Mayo, when he, we was talking about quarterbacks brought up Joe Burrow consistently
36:59as someone who's tough as hell, like gets hit, pops back up, you listing off those injuries.
37:04I'm like, right. That's why, because that is, that's just ridiculous that he's still
37:08slinging it and gone through all that crap in such a relatively short career.
37:13And it's not, we don't want to see it on our side.
37:17Well, he's someone to like, he's so obviously he's so good at what he does, but these,
37:21these injuries that have kind of came up with him. It's not like it's a you know,
37:25like he's an injury prone guy. Like, you know, again, appendectomy missing the entire, like most
37:29of last preseason. It's like, that's just a freak thing. Obviously a torn ACL a couple of years
37:34removed from that. Looks like he's going to be okay there. And then, you know, the wrist stuff
37:37as well. So we'll see what happens. I'm super excited to watch Joe Barrow this year, you know,
37:41patrons reporter and fan. We obviously would like to see new England win this weekend, but Joe
37:45Barrow, one of the, one of the best guys, one of the most like humble dudes out there to just watch
37:49and kind of, you know, run his game out there. So it's, it's going to be exciting. All right,
37:53let's get to some predictions and how we see this game playing out. But before we do a quick word
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39:19as the guest here. How do you see this one playing out? Predictions, some people hate them,
39:25some people like them. So if you don't want to give a score, don't feel like you have to. But
39:29final score, if you want to, how you see it playing out close to the cover the spread,
39:33however you see fit, what do you see happening on Sunday? Yeah, I don't want to be the bad guy
39:38here. So I come in peace on this. But we started this off with talking about how, talking about a
39:46team who picked top five and we don't expect the Patriots to be knocking on the door of the Super
39:50Bowl this year. And maybe it's next year, right? Maybe the next year you turn around real quick
39:53with a quarterback and we've seen it. I'm telling you, we've personally seen it. It can happen,
39:58but it doesn't mean you're good right away. And especially that rookie year where he's not even
40:03playing yet and where that's the hope. And the fun will be when that, when Drake make it out
40:07there, right? When he is eventually playing, at least in a loss, you guys will have a good time
40:11reviewing that film and seeing how he develops. I've seen lines up to 12 on this game. You know,
40:17it's moved a little bit. I, yeah, I think it was nine and a half last time I saw,
40:21but that was what the unknown of Mark chase. I wouldn't be surprised if we're getting closer
40:25to the 12 again, by the time Sunday comes around, especially if there's an extension with chase,
40:28I'm thinking like 27, 14, 27, 13. I didn't have a official one ready, but I'm thinking a two score
40:36game. And I don't want to apologize for it. Cause I think the Bengals should win like that. If
40:40they're going where we think they are, if the offense is as good as we think it is,
40:44if the defense can play as well as they did against their own offense, this, this preseason
40:48and in camp, it should be a good team. And I'm hoping to see it in week one.
40:54I'm going to pick with my heart or my, yeah, my heart instead of my brain with this one.
40:59It's the season opener, new seasons are all about hope. So you know what? I will go with the
41:04Patriots upsetting, but here's the big reason defense last year. They don't have far more,
41:10obviously, but you're hoping that Christian Gonzalez's presence, at least kind of boost
41:14them a little bit more. I also like some of the other additions they made on defense.
41:17And that was a squad that kept them in almost every single game last season,
41:21despite the quarterbacks doing their best to throw games away and just not capitalize on
41:26opportunities. I think Jacoby percent, obviously not really a full season starter type, but I do
41:32think his familiarity with the system, his intelligence, his decision-making his accuracy
41:36short to intermediate will be enough to capitalize on some of the opportunities that they'll get if
41:41they run the, if they run the ball well. And that's another big thing. If the offense can
41:45run the ball, that's when I think this becomes a close game because you control the pace of the
41:49game, Joe Burrow and the big three are cold over there, over there on the sidelines. And you're
41:54making life a little bit harder on that explosive offense. So I think the Patriots upset, but I
41:59think it's going to come down to the last possession. Defense gets the Patriots, the ball
42:02back and they say, Hey, this is a new season. How about we put a game winning drive together
42:07for the first time? And like, you know, what's it been four or five, six months or whatever.
42:11So yeah, I, I got them with the upset, but everything needs to go right for this Patriots
42:16offense. That is a lot to ask. And I'm not, I said, I'm picking with my heart and not my brain.
42:21My brain is my brain thinks that it's going to be more like what Joe's saying, but I do think
42:25there's a possibility that the defense is able to put some kind of lid on the Bengals offense
42:30and that the ground game does enough to, you know, keep the past offense on track.
42:34I will mend the fence between you two. I will call it a one score game, but the Bengals win.
42:39I'm going 2114 Bengals tend to start a little bit slow, especially the last couple of years
42:44throughout the season. Patriots. We don't know what they are yet. So there could be,
42:48they might throw a little surprise at you. You mentioned Taylor, the run game is going to be
42:52key. We talked about it as one of our key matchups. So I think it's tight. I think the
42:55Patriots can slow them down a little bit on defense, but ultimately Bengals win 2114.
43:00That's my prediction. Joe, thank you so much for joining us for our first, our inaugural
43:06three men. We've gained preview with some key matchups. We really appreciate your time
43:10before we let you go quickly. Tell our fans, tell all of Patriots nation where they can find you
43:15and where they can check out all of your awesome Bengals coverage throughout the season.
43:18Yeah. So Bengals on the brain presented by first star logistics, that's first star media page on
43:23YouTube. But if you're not interested in watching Bengal stuff, you may want to watch a film review
43:28after this week, but my Twitter account at Joe Goodberry during the off season, it's good for any
43:33football fan. I think, you know, talking draft, talking free agents, doing profiles on multiple
43:37players. That's where you'll get the value. So at Joe Goodberry on Twitter is the best spot.
43:43Thanks again for doing this. This was awesome. Me and Taylor will be back later in the week for
43:46more Patriots Bengals coverage. And we'll obviously have you covered throughout the
43:50entire weekend as well as the pads head to Cincinnati for their week one contest versus
43:54Joe Barrow and the Bengals. So make sure you rate, review and subscribe to the channel.
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