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Team USA won gold in the 2024 Paris Olympics, but plenty of drama (especially that involving star Boston Celtics forward Jayson Tatum) coupled with an improving field came a bit close for comfort. What will the US National Team need to do to stay on top in the 2028 Olympics -- and which Celtics (if any) might be part of that push?  To take a closer look at the future of the Olympics through a Boston-tinted lens, the hosts of the CLNS Media "Celtics Lab" podcast linked up with NBC Sports Boston's Max Lederman. We talk all things international basketball, Boston's looming 2024-25 season, and more.  From Steve Kerr's coaching to Team USA's structure up to what we're looking forward to in the 2024-25 regular season, we've got everything you need to stay on top of the Celtics, the offseason, and the Celtics in the offseason.   CLNS Media is Powered by:   Prize Picks - PrizePicks.com/CLNS  Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100!   Gametime - https://gametime.co  Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed. Terms apply.  Elevate your style game on and off the course with the PXG Spring Summer 2024 collection. Head over to https://PXG.com/GARDENREPORT and save 10% on all apparel.  Nutrafol Men! Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://Nutrafol.com/MEN and enter the promo code GARDEN!   #celtics #NBA #BostonCeltics The CLNS Media Network is the leading provider for video/audio content. CLNS is a fully credentialed member of the media with access to all NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB teams & venues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  CLNS' rebuilt their YouTube community in less than 12 months, during a pandemic that attacked sports. Wondering how? Find out here (and support our channel) - https://www.tubebuddy.com/clnsmedia  Visit the Official Home of CLNS Sports Coverage -  https://clnsmedia.com  Twitter - https://twitter.com/CLNSMedia Celtics - https://twitter.com/celticsclns Patriots - https://twitter.com/patriotsclns Bruins - https://twitter.com/bruinsclns Red Sox - https://twitter.com/redsoxclns Non-Sports - https://twitter.com/northstation Facebook - http://facebook.com/clnsmedia INSTA - http://Instagram.com/clnsmedia INSTA Celtics - http://Instagram.com/celticsclns INSTA History - http://Instagram.com/nbahistoryclns

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00:00Celtics lab is brought to you by price picks and the game time app

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00:16We're going to talk about our old friend the dancing bear

00:20nightmare scenario for Celtics ownership Chris taps for zinc's health and

00:24The Olympics and the season ahead and to do that we welcome back to the podcast

00:28My friend and yours from NBC Sports, Boston, Max Letterman Max. Happy summer. How are you?

00:34Great I'm ready to get back to some basketball though. I'll tell you that. I think I've asked you this before

00:39What's your official job title?

00:42Right

00:44just changed

00:46Content producer. Hmm. It was associate producer, but now it's content producer. Oh, okay update the LinkedIn. Why don't you? All right, cool

00:54Yeah

00:56We have a whole bunch of stuff

00:59But I told the guys off-air that I didn't really want to talk much about it. So let's just get it over with

01:05What's your stump speech on the Jason Tatum situation?

01:09I don't like Steve Kerr. I haven't liked him since he got mad at Marcus Smart for diving for a loose ball

01:15which actually probably

01:17Won them the championship because curry got to sit out those last few weeks and be rested up to kill the Celtics in the

01:23finals

01:25So you're welcome Steve Kerr

01:27So I kind of soured on him then I don't understand the math thing. Whatever it was, you know

01:33I think it's kind of annoying on both sides to be honest

01:36I don't think you know, it's great to have your parents, you know complaining about your playing time when you're winning gold medal

01:41I think there's you know and Tatum to his you know credit is just

01:46You know kind of been politically correct with all of his comments and you know, it's a weird role for him

01:52He's not used to it and I just don't understand the logic. That was my thing

01:55It's like, you know, it just feels like especially at the end of some of those close games

02:00Don't you want the good long defender who can rebound which is something that you guys are not doing well right now, but

02:07I think he should play in 28. I think people saying he shouldn't you know are crazy if you get the opportunity to win another gold

02:13medal

02:14You know, I thought after last Olympics he'd be like the Carmelo Anthony the guy that can just kind of do anything

02:19Score a lot really excel in the FIBA game. So it was a little weird, but

02:25You know, I'm glad that it's over

02:27it's a little embarrassing and

02:29I'm not as convinced as other people that he'll have like a Jalen like response where he'll just come out

02:34With his head on fire. I think you know with Tatum

02:36I'm just actually a little curious to see how he responds. I could see it going the other way too, but

02:41We'll see

02:44Alex you get your bite at the apple

02:46Sure, largely an agreement

02:49I've been on record as Steve Kerr is one of the entire

02:53Organization of the Golden State Warriors that is collectively Steph Curry merchants and have been for about you know, a decade now

03:00So not too much to add there max

03:03You know, the one thing I will say is that I think

03:08There's I do at least sort of hear the argument of if Jason Tatum's shot is not falling

03:15then there's a chance that other guys just given the the kind of ball handling and

03:21You know playmaking and rebounding responsibility

03:24Will often fall to a guy like a LeBron or Kevin Durant both of who were spectacular

03:30I don't think Jason Tatum should be playing over those guys generally

03:34Especially given that this year's Olympics was very much a send-off to that generation

03:38Where I really took issue with it is like

03:41What is Anthony Edwards actually done turn and it's over Jason Tatum who is a three-time all-nba?

03:48first team player an NBA champion

03:52Squarely in the prime of his career and can do everything that Anthony Edwards does but at a higher level

03:57You know Devin Booker is I think a terrific player who clearly had a role on this team

04:02But there are also times out there on the floor where Devin Booker looked lost and uncomfortable and in those moments

04:07Why isn't Jason Tatum on the floor to me?

04:10It's less about Jason Tatum deserve to you know

04:13Like start or whatever cuz like let's be real LeBron and KD are gonna get those spots

04:20Regardless of where they stand just and they've earned that

04:24Where I took issue is like to me

04:27It's it's kind of what you said Tatum feels like he should have been the first guy off the bench

04:31And he wasn't which was kind of dumb

04:34Sure, dr. Quinn. Take us home just on the Tatum thing. We'll get to the Olympics writ large. Yeah, no totally

04:39I honestly I think at this point after it's been litigated in so many places in so many ways with fairly general themes

04:47Running it yet

04:47Tatum probably should have had some minutes and that Steve care probably could have done his coaching job a little bit better

04:54Giving the assortment of talent he had and all that stuff

04:57The thing to me that is the most important that I want to talk about with you guys is Jason Tatum and

05:03You know Bob Cousy kind of hinted if you can't play one of the best players in the world any minutes

05:08Then there is something really really wrong. Maybe it's not care. Maybe it's not Tatum. Maybe it's Team USA

05:13So we can give it a bet and revisit it shortly

05:17Sure, I like that. That's good tease for the second half of our program. I

05:22guess the only other thing I'll add is that

05:25It's the offseason we're at a critical mass for just like absolute shenanigans and

05:30Speaking of content production content production and

05:34Celtics fans took the bait. I

05:37It's really admirable that Celtics fans stand up for Tatum with their whole chest, but it's just a feedback loop that

05:45Generates clicks and views and so it's a

05:49Well-worn shtick for people who want your clicks and views I suppose

05:52But more than that, I suppose later. Let's do the news and then in the lab portion of programming

05:57We're gonna kind of look ahead for

05:59LA 2028 basketball the news changed since we heard the draft of our rundown we learned

06:07That the in-season tournament schedule is here

06:10NBA Cup, but perhaps more interesting. I mean, I know we're supposed to care about the NBA Cup

06:15I'm not there yet. But max the Celtics open at home against the Knicks

06:20Is that the right opponent for the NBA to have picked?

06:23On opening day an opening day. Yes

06:27Sure. I mean, they're the big popular offseason team. That's you know gunning for the Celtics

06:33Even though they've been pretty good against Jalen Brunson

06:36They're the Knicks were one for versus Celtics last year and would have swept them

06:41Just like they swept the Pacers in these for conference finals

06:45So, you know, I think that's fine. I think there's a good, you know, little

06:49Rivalry there presenters wasn't that the opening game?

06:52Who do they open last?

06:54Last three years

06:56Yeah

06:57Presence was clutch hitting free throws at the end

07:00Versus the Knicks the first time they played last year as well. So yeah, I'm fine with it

07:04It would have been them or the Sixers. It feels like they cycle through, you know, they alternate every year or whatever

07:09I'm good with that. I think that's fine. The Knicks can you know

07:13Stand around and watch the banner get raised and the rings

07:16Ceremony, so maybe that'll motivate them a little bit. But yeah, I have no issue with it

07:20I I think the Knicks are a little overrated right now

07:23I'm looking forward to really really really hating them this year

07:27Yeah, they're it's so set up

07:30I mean alex and I have both gone back and forth

07:33I don't know which one of us is happier when the Knicks are good because it's just like

07:37perfect

07:39for takes and for rivalries and

07:41Hopeful Knicks fans are some of the fun

07:43Things funnest things in the nba. Um, actually max. I'm gonna go completely off script

07:48now that the nbc

07:50Uh big boys are like full in for nba coverage. Does that change your scope and purview? Do you know?

07:56Do you even know yet?

07:58Uh, so I don't know yet. I'll hopefully find out actually soon, but

08:03It's not until next season. Uh, we would be getting the rights but uh

08:08That we would be getting the rights but uh

08:11The questions that i've asked the people that were would be able to answer those questions

08:15we're busy with the olympics, so

08:17You know, we'll see. I hope so. I know when the nhl, uh, when nbc got the nhl rights

08:23They dipped into the rsn pool for talent just to help out with the shows and stuff like that. So hopefully

08:29Um, I can help out in some way. I would love to I love uh the brand I love

08:34You know the nba on nbc brand, you know the round ball rock although it will get annoying i'm sure

08:39uh

08:39once we hear it over and over again, but it still got that nostalgia to it and I just love uh, tentpole games like

08:46You know just the idea, you know football night in america. It's time to do basketball night in america

08:50I just to me like the storytelling the you know, the really just you know

08:55Selling the game of basketball specifically the nba to a wide swath of fans that you know

09:01It's different than what we do. We we're talking to people that already love the celtics, you know

09:06we're just trying to like

09:08you know set them up for the game when we're doing pre-game and tell stories that are really

09:13targeted to an audience that already loves the celtics that's already obviously watching but

09:18You know, it's just a whole different challenge and that's something that excites me and I hope that

09:23You know, I can get a taste of that somehow

09:25So

09:27cool, yeah, I only ask because we have in parentheses that opening game is on tnt and it made me think of the

09:33Changes that are to come but to your point that's not next season. It's the following season. Uh, we also know that the mabs

09:40Celtics rematch from the finals. The first one will be in dallas on january 25th. The second will be in early february at home

09:47um

09:49Alex, you know that I have a low opinion of the maps. How excited for those games are you?

09:54I mean, i'm always excited to see um, you know

09:58Rivalries develop in the nba and i'm hopeful that celtics and mabs will kind of develop further given their finals matchup

10:05Obviously, there's plenty of storylines to go around with kairi and you know, whatever

10:10um

10:11I think i'm excited for those games less so because of you know

10:14The narrative around them and more just because I enjoy watching luka donchik try to solve this celtics defense. Um

10:21And so far it hasn't worked and that's been fun

10:24But um, yeah, I would I would put those at like a b they're not the matchup

10:28I'm most excited for heading into this year, but they're on they're up there on the list

10:36All right, fair enough actually the luka of it all

10:40Sold me on it just a teeny bit more

10:42Dr. Quint in other schedule news. We learned

10:45uh the outline of the nba cup that

10:49Um emirates nba cup specifically want to walk us through what we learned about boston's draw

10:58Well

10:59I might be joking. No, you'd say it's that boring

11:01No, no, it's it's incredibly boring

11:03But the most exciting thing is I think the celtics are clearly winning the cup unless cleveland is a lot better of a team

11:08Than we think they're going to be this year

11:10Uh, they are in group east group c with atlanta washington chicago, and of course cleveland

11:16Uh, I don't see any of those teams apart from cleveland giving boston any real pushback

11:21I might even see them using some of these games as rest nights despite them being in the nba cup

11:25Uh, I think that's just the nature of the draw. There's gonna be some bad teams in every group

11:29but

11:31They're gonna win, right

11:34I actually don't have them winning it

11:36I hope they don't

11:38I don't want them to put them

11:40Just a group just a group. Oh, yeah, they'll win the group

11:43They'll they'll win their group the cup in general

11:47this just feels like such a big like

11:50The knicks win the cup and get super big chesty for a whole month and then flame out in the actual real playoffs

11:57That just feels so dead on to me. I don't know

12:01Cool. I like that. Um

12:04Elsewhere in the news. Well, actually i'm gonna keep going off script because I haven't seen you in a while max. Um

12:09You're a philly guy. What do you think of the sixers?

12:12Oh, yeah, um, well I

12:15More negative about the sixers than any team just because how often they've hurt me in my life

12:20But you know, I was really I had low expectations for this offseason and now i'm kind of like, oh my god

12:26You know, I think they're doing a great job

12:28Building that team

12:29With joelle tyrese and paul george. It's just the perfect fit

12:34uh, I as far as like the celtics angle i'm still just like

12:37Win against the celtics in the playoffs before I ever worry about that, you know, it's like

12:42Uh, they I don't think i've been alive for the sixers ever beating the celtics in the playoffs

12:47so, um

12:50It's

12:51Yeah, it's yeah, it's great. It's fun. It's exciting. There's some hope it's not dark

12:55But again, uh, I came to the conclusion last year when half of joel and beat's face was paralyzed that he is actually cursed

13:02That it's uh, you know the sam hinky of it all really

13:07You know cursed that poor guy

13:09You know, it's not has nothing to do with the way he plays basketball or anything. It's just no

13:13he's just got really bad luck, so

13:16Uh, that's why I was excited for him to be on team usa. I thought that would you know

13:20You know just soak him in a little bit of winning, you know

13:23Get that aura on him. Hopefully it would rub off. We've seen that happen with guys in the past. So

13:28You know, we'll see I you know, tyrese maxie's a pleasure a joy, you know

13:32I love every second I get to watch him play basketball. He

13:35smiles, uh

13:37When he goes to the basket, it's just you know, you can't root against that kid. So

13:41That's fun, but i'm not worried about them as far as a playoff context goes

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14:46Okay back to the show

14:48Fair enough. Yeah, I I agree. Um, my only concern with philly is that maxi is too fast for george and imbeed

14:54And if there isn't a bit because the speeds at which they play, um, let's stick with the news max

14:59I'll stick with you. Um, we got a health update. Kp is, uh, chris

15:04According to brad stevens. He's progressing well after his surgery. That's by way of adam himmelsbeck boston globe

15:10Um kp has been on instagram and abiza and back in latvia. So he's mobile

15:15Um, what are your expectations for his health and early part of the season max?

15:19well, they generally always kind of at least in you know, brad's mo has been to

15:25Overestimate the amount of time they're going to be out just so that they're not putting extra pressure on guys

15:30And you can be pleasantly surprised

15:33You know just go slow with him. I really I think it's a great opportunity to get some of these other bigs that

15:40Are cheap, you know relatively young like a xavier tillman

15:44Uh, okay to you know, just see what they can do

15:47Um, you know, just give them opportunities because al is approaching the end of his career

15:53And even if perzingis is perfectly healthy next season, you know

15:56You have to presume that maybe al is going to retire and you do need someone to replace him

16:00So what a great opportunity you have here, you know, it's kind of like house money

16:04So just you know, take your time with kp and you know, either christmas or after

16:10You know bring him back in and slowly ramp him up and if he's healthy in the playoffs, you know

16:15banner 19, baby

16:18Max I don't know if you were in boston

16:20I guess they still sometimes do this at bruins games where they they overlay the snow

16:24on the video board around christmas

16:27If they did the wwe chris dapps porzingis entrance with the snow on christmas, that would be epic

16:33I mean that would just be the best so I think that's what i'm rooting for and that's what was great about

16:39uh when he debuted in the finals

16:43that I mean

16:44That you know, I was when it felt like he you know

16:47He really fought to get back there because he wanted he didn't want to be a passenger

16:51on this championship run

16:53You know after he got the injury in the finals and I was like man

16:57Your first quarter in game one is his own chapter in the book, you know

17:00It's got its own scene in the documentary. That was legendary. That was incredible that whole lead up the way he played

17:07uh, so if we get more of that, you know, he's just a fun character and you know last season was just

17:13It was a lot of fun and i'm really looking forward to it again

17:17Cool I dig that

17:18Um more on brad stevens brad stevens also said he wants to keep the 15th roster spot open or rather he anticipates that staying open

17:25Would anyone here consider using that 15th roster spot on gershon yabusele?

17:30The star of the paris olympics and someone who's openly angling to come back to the nba. Um

17:37max in sincerity, would you

17:40Welcome gershon back

17:41Yeah

17:42Yeah, I thought he played great. Um

17:45Look if he hits his shots, he's a you know an asset and I you know, missoula would love him. I I don't know how

17:52To watch the fiba tournament as far as like defense goes because I think you know people always

17:59Talk about the celtics and the five out and all like the offensive impact

18:02but the reason why the celtics were so dominant playing five out is

18:05Five players that could shoot threes that were also above average defenders

18:09So if you have a celly can defend

18:12Uh and hit shots and absolutely and even not I mean, it's worth a shot

18:16Uh, I I don't know what kind of role he would have

18:19He was not very good when he was with the celtics. He was a fun guy

18:24He was perfect for that era of the celtics, but now that it's a more serious team

18:29Uh, you know as long as he's productive then i'm you know, i'm open to it

18:33Cool

18:35You adding yabu to this team

18:37Well, I mean i'd be thrilled to add yabu. So as a 15th man, uh, you know

18:41Bring some energy off the bench come in and you know

18:44Hit shots. I I thought the thing that stood out to me in his olympic play is he looked pretty fantastic

18:49Both in the post and with the ball on the move driving downhill

18:53Which is something that he really did not show on any level in his original boston stint

18:58So his his offensive game is substantially more complete than it was in boston

19:03And I think he could be a useful spot contributor

19:07The question I have is would gershon yabusele

19:10Want to be a 15th man on the boston celtics as opposed to say, I don't know

19:16Going to a younger team with more available playing time and I would guess based on his past comments

19:23The answer to that is probably no if he's coming back to the nba

19:27Where he would likely be passing up probably a starter spot in europe and potentially starter money and playing time

19:34I would imagine he's only going to come back to the nba for a team that will actually play in minutes

19:39And I just don't think that boston will be doing that

19:43Dr. Quinn, if not boston, where should he play? I have an answer. I think it's the correct answer probably the same answer as me

19:49You want to say it on three?

19:52One let's say at the same time ready good podcasting one two three san antonio

19:57Yeah

19:59We all thought it

20:01Oh, we we miss your okay. Uh, that's enough gershon talk. Um, we're gonna hop into the celtics lab where

20:09We'll reflect a little bit more on the 2024 olympics, but we're already going to look ahead to the 2028 olympics

20:15which is in los angeles and um

20:19max, I mean you already

20:20Gave the right answer tatum is not turning down

20:23The 2028 olympics because of sour grapes. I mean, maybe he'll be injured. Maybe this that or the other maybe who knows?

20:29What will happen in 27 28, but it's not because he had his feelings hurt in

20:3524. Um, so we can put that one to bed. I don't think anyone here disagrees with that but

20:41Um, there could be some changes

20:43to that team regardless

20:46Reportedly steve kerr is going to

20:49Step aside or is considering stepping aside. Dr

20:52Quinn, can you shine some light on that reporting and then we'll kind of analyze it

20:56Uh as far as the reporting, uh, I think it was evan satary of forbes who first broke that if i'm not mistaken

21:04And as far as I know eric spolster who is you know, an assistant on that that roster

21:10Is widely seen as the most likely replacement tyrone

21:13Not be surprised if he was in the mix too, uh, i've heard people float joe mizula

21:17Uh, I have no idea if he'd be interested in that but I would love that obviously, uh for a very steve care

21:24but inverted reasons

21:26If you believe the conspiracy theories, he has a bias against the celtics

21:30Probably maybe a little tiny one way back there somewhere, but I don't really think that's the problem with this whole thing

21:36Right. I think whatever coach, uh, they bring on they need to

21:41And this is a theory I have it's in the notes, I know you all saw my cryptical notes

21:45i'm sure you have no idea what the hell i'm talking about

21:47but

21:49Everyone's like well, do they need to keep doing this or do they need to become more of a feba style?

21:55Uh, it like plays on all the international tournaments kind of a team to kind of negate the continuity

22:01Advantage a lot of these teams have been giving boston austin team usa problems. Hey, it happens

22:08You look at the situation and it's like a set up as a dichotomy, right?

22:14One or the other why not take roughly a quarter to a third of the team?

22:18and have an ncaa player have

22:22a two-way player have

22:24A rookie player and maybe a non-star player right all on the roster who will commit to playing, you know

22:31We hear edward saying like will you take part in another fee but he's like hell no, right? Yeah

22:36No, he could be on team usa, but he's not going to get one of those slots

22:41At the end of the roster if you use this kind of a system, right? So you you get a core of role players

22:47Right who are going to grow with the team?

22:48Maybe some of them will grow into the star roles

22:50But you don't just pick like players who necessarily are going to be stars that you have to do hockey substitutions or some other

22:58Nba related not having anything to do with feeble play politics

23:03Just remove that from the picture for at least a chunk of your team

23:06So the players who will be coming off the bench, uh more rarely or for specific matchups

23:11You don't have to worry about them being stars and you kind of start moving in the direction of the rest of the world

23:17In terms of the structure of international play

23:19Sure. So max to that end. What do you think of justin's take to the problems with team usa this summer where?

23:26Their coaching or their roster design

23:29Um, you know, I think it's hard to coach when you have all those good players, um, I think you know adding derrick white instead of

23:37Jalen brown as weird as it looked at the time when you especially when you're replacing kawai was the perfect decision

23:44You know having the drew holidays the derrick whites, you know

23:47The guys that have proven that they will literally do anything just in the nba

23:52Not just you know sacrificing

23:55On the international level because that's a wild card. That's a you know

24:00who knows that's a question if whether a player can do it or not, you know, these these, you know kids have

24:06Been the number one option on their teams, you know their whole careers and then they're going to come in and start sacrificing and

24:11Digging down on defense. That's hard. That's why

24:14you know

24:16winning the gold isn't always going to be easy, but

24:18you know, I

24:20I'm open to all kinds of roster construction. But I think that what I would do is I would focus on defense

24:27And ball moving I think that's because everybody can score everybody can score all these guys can score

24:34Um, I think I really like haliburton, but i'm not sure if he can play defense well enough

24:39like I really don't I he's supposed to be the point guard of the future for team usa, but

24:44You know if he's getting cooked and it's really bending our defense

24:48You know, that's not great so

24:50I want defenders defenders defenders. That's that's how I would do it and I would not have steve kerr

24:56I would put spolster in charge or I like lou or spolster. I think those are they're genius. Who knows with joe. I mean

25:02it would be exciting and fun to

25:05hear all the crazy things he'd say to foreign reporters at the olympics, but

25:10I think maybe an assistant role first and then maybe in the 30s we can talk about joe taking over

25:16honestly

25:18I think joe. Missoula probably thrives with a huge chip on his shoulder making him an assistant

25:22Would probably be great. I'd buy like two or three more years of like

25:27Really intimate honest psycho joe not it's my schtick in the nba

25:32Uh, we'll stick with this current team a little bit and then we'll look more at 2028

25:37um again, I was out of the country, so I didn't really engage with so much of the banter, but

25:42The conversation around I mean we did this a few weeks ago when we said there's no way this team is better than the dream team

25:51I'm ready to revisit that conversation the statistic that the dream team only went up against nine nba players

25:57And this team went up against 61 nba players

26:00feels

26:02More pertinent. I watched a little bit of dream team game tape and there are some teams that really did not look

26:09Very good and just looking at like the serbian team or the german team or the french team

26:13um

26:14the us handled them

26:16well enough and

26:18Are you suggesting it's hard to compare basketball teams from entirely different eras?

26:24um, i'm suggesting that maybe we're a little gatekeepy about

26:28the past and

26:31Maybe that this

26:32Like the accolades were not I think the dream team had 20 rings collectively and this team had 11 and

26:38Had 11 or 12 mvps and this team had six or seven. I I mean

26:43like if you're walking the hall of fame, this isn't as interesting, but

26:47I mean that french team was really good

26:51Just losing his mind

26:53That was one of the highlights of the entire tournament for me. Um

26:56So max i'll go to you first because you're the guest but then alex i'll go to you next because you're a history teacher

27:01Um, what do you think of the dream team versus uh, the avengers comparisons?

27:06I mean look if they played like if the 92

27:10Olympics team, you know in a time machine played

27:13This year's team this year's team would cook them

27:17Just like the celtics this year would beat the 96 bulls and they would beat the 86 celtics

27:22The game is different. It changed the three-point shot is completely changed the way the basketball is played. So

27:29Uh, it doesn't mean that they're better. I mean that's that's hard to you know in the context of the era the dream team is why

27:36They're 61 nba players that the usa had to play, you know, because I love that say that again

27:42That's so smart, but it's true. I mean they they brought the game to the international stage

27:47and so you like justin said you can't really compare eras, but you know, I think it's a conversation as far as like

27:55Enjoyment at the redeem team was like super satisfying for me because

28:01The dream team was I mean I was so little, you know, I yeah, you know, michael. Jordan was the bald guy, right?

28:06You know, like that's how young I was

28:08Um, but the redeem team I was angry that they lost I was you know

28:11I have a lot of entitlement as an american basketball player and as american space travel fan

28:17We dominate space we dominate basketball. That's

28:20You know, we can all be objectively proud of that right so there's no hemming and hawing about it

28:26We love that and so that's why I care so deeply about us winning the basketball tournaments for the men and the women

28:32and

28:33you know, so

28:35that's all that matters is that we win and the oa team as far as like

28:39Satisfying that was great. And then 21 or the 20 olympics in 21. I mean we almost lost that was scary

28:46Uh, and this one was a little nerve-wracking too plus the added, uh

28:50Drama with jt. But you know, I I had a great time. This is a great team a great team the fact that lebron

28:58Was you know is the age he is and is still

29:01You know able to just take over a game versus, you know, the best players on the planet

29:06Uh katie was so great

29:08You know it and steph curry it really it's hard to say that they could not that they would not be

29:14Uh the 92 team I think they absolutely would

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30:20Yeah, i'm gonna go a step further and say I actually think that there's a world where the redeemed team

30:27Might have beaten this past olympic team that we just saw if you think about you know

30:32Lebron kd stuff all amazing players, but these are the old version of those guys

30:38I remember watching the 2008 redeemed team and

30:42the synergy between

30:44lebron

30:45wade bosh

30:46Kobe bryant jason kidd

30:49There was something happening there that

30:51I don't know that i've ever seen that replicated on a basketball court and they were going against real nba talent

30:57It wasn't like at that point, uh, you know in 2008

31:01I know it wasn't to the level that it currently is but they were going against real nba players that spain team was no joke

31:08um, but the 08

31:10Olympic team at least for my money is maybe the best pure basketball team i've ever seen. I mean

31:17like you really do have to I would encourage everyone to go back on youtube and watch the footage of like

31:24What's happening?

31:25when jkid lebron

31:28duane wade, um

31:30Chris bosh and chris paul and kobe are all sharing the floor together. It's kind of mind-boggling

31:36Jq. Do you have any olympic teams that you would put up against?

31:40Uh this, you know most recent team that maybe are worthy of additional consideration as far as the great olympic teams of years past

31:49Not really, I mean not more than you have I do want to say that

31:54You know when you look back at these two eras we're going to compare like this year's team with the dream team

32:02yes

32:03they did

32:05Win every game this time, but they were also more challenged if you look back at the original dream team

32:11They were winning games by 20 30 40 points against every team. So

32:18It just comes back to the whole

32:20Comparing eras thing like there's a lot of things going on where we're talking from structural things like max brought up in terms of

32:26the three-point shot

32:27Uh in all of these cases these teams are playing the fiba version of the game

32:31So maybe it would be like a little bit of a slight

32:34Neutralizing effect of that but even that has changed over time as well. So

32:38It's an interesting thing to talk about in this part of the nba calendar, I suppose

32:44But we really can never actually know

32:47Uh, i'm back

32:50Hi, uh, there's a great nba tv, uh

32:55tv documentary on the dream team that I suspect is somewhere on youtube that um

33:00If anyone's younger or just like wants to walk down memory lane, it's

33:04It's great. It just captures like how much character there was

33:07um

33:08which I the only thing i'll say is that

33:12This was so enjoyable. I think nbc

33:14Really figured out how to cover an olympics and i'm not just saying that because max is here

33:18But I think social media also was just like excellent. Perhaps it was the the time difference was six hours not 12 hours

33:25but either way the dream team during the um,

33:28social media era would have been great because just like more access to charles barkley more access to magic johnson and

33:35Michael jordan would have been kicked out of the nba

33:38A season early because like there's no way he would have survived barcelona. Anyways

33:43Uh, let's look ahead to uh, los angeles, which is where the next olympics will be

33:49And max i'm going to put you on the spot a little bit

33:52But if you want to stall we can make justin and alex go first

33:54I want you to predict the starting five for team usa in 2028

34:00All right, uh

34:03I I think i'll just say cooper flag. Maybe he's going to be everyone says he's great

34:08Uh, i'm not gonna act like some expert but I know that scowl's been talking about him since he was like a freshman

34:14Yeah, like just this kid from maine. Uh

34:17You gotta see him. He seems like the real deal

34:21Uh bam is probably gonna still uh, I think bam is it's a good fiba center

34:27um jt is gonna be in there, I think

34:30um, so there's three

34:32four words and

34:34Maybe tyrese maxey and anthony edwards because like I said, uh, the halliburton

34:39Um, you know, he seems like the logical fit, but he's got to be a better defender

34:43But maybe it won't matter. Maybe they'll just he'll they'll just be overwhelming people with

34:48offense, um

34:49But that would be the five I would go with right now

34:52All right. I like that. I like that a lot. I'm so pumped about cooper flag. Um, but

34:58We we can do a whole episode on him. We have a few more weeks of content to kill

35:02Um alex who's in your starting five in los angeles for team usa

35:06My starting five features a little bit less turnover

35:10Just knowing that team usa tends to be an organization broadly that rewards, you know

35:15Being on team usa for multiple consecutive runs

35:19Um, so for me my starting lineup is going to feature

35:23Uh, devon booker anthony edwards jason tatum who I think will be over, uh, his hurt feelings by uh, four years from now

35:32um

35:33tyrese haliburton

35:34I think will be a starter in part because of the politics of team usa in which you know

35:39He sat on the bench. He waited his turn and I think he will be rewarded for that and also because you know team usa

35:46Steph curry was incredible this past olympics. It's not like he was locking anybody down

35:51Um, and I think that team usa will probably ultimately lean in on having more shooting out there than less

35:59And then for the center spot

36:00guys

36:02It's gonna be in los angeles

36:04And if anthony davis wants the starting center spot, he's gonna get it and I think he will

36:09so I I went with anthony davis as the kind of

36:12like

36:13Long-toothed vet role that I think is actually pretty common if you look back in the history of team usa

36:20There's usually at least one guy in the starting lineup that is kind of entering his twilight years to me if anthony davis

36:27Davis is healthy and still playing for the lakers. I have him locked into the starting lineup

36:33Sweet, I like that. Um, dr. Quinn yours is a combo of all these players

36:39Basically, yeah, it's basically maxes with derrick white in there for the defense and also the same reason that alex has haliburton

36:47Moving up in the rotation. I do think he can learn to defend well enough to be in that kind of a picture by then

36:54It's not necessarily been his strong suit

36:57But if he's going to become the kind of player that his team and the league needs him to be

37:02That's going to be the next challenge for him defense along with the rest of the pacers

37:06Uh flag I had in there as well

37:09He was kind of like that that rookie that you want to see growing up with the program in my mind

37:14Uh coming from duke. Hopefully they have that kind of similar

37:17uh

37:18You know emphasis on tradition participation that we see with jason tatum

37:23And I did not have davidson though. That's a brilliant. Uh reasoning

37:26I'm, just afraid he may not even be playing pro basketball by that point based on his health. So we'll see

37:33four years guys

37:34Four years is a long time. Yeah, the the only thing i'll add what I was just looking at my phone was confirming the cooper flag

37:40because he was at um

37:42Select camp in vegas this summer. So he's been part of the program and everyone came away saying yeah, it's it's real

37:48It's definitely real guys. He's gonna be on the team. I'm just not sure he's starting

37:52Okay. Yeah, I guess like the politics of that. I guess what's interesting about this thought experiment is if you

37:58Think through who the best

38:00basketball players in their prime right now are many of them are not american, um, that doesn't mean anyone is going to come and

38:07take gold away from the united states, but

38:11The last three uh mvps are not american. Luca is not american. Shea is not american

38:16um, all these great young players who are like in the midst of their prime or hitting their prime or

38:22Not america, which is fascinating. Um

38:26I won't I can't imagine jaylen brown is on the team. I don't think that there was a conspiracy but

38:31The horses have definitely left the barn there. I can't imagine

38:35That he's ever gonna join the team. Um, I was in paris not doing much in the way of coverage, but I

38:42I met with jordan brand

38:44And when I asked them about jason tatum's playing time, they said that they were not thrilled

38:50So i'm curious what conversations behind closed doors look like between team usa and

38:55their partners and their players partners and what that looks like because

38:59um

39:01They were biting they it was it was very

39:04Diplomatic the way they put it um and off the record

39:08Much less diplomatic. Um, okay other muses about la. Uh

39:14Uh

39:16Yeah, I I guess who are going to be the elder statesman of that team anthony davis, um

39:22Bamonte, I guess that'll be interesting. I thought this was like such a

39:29We're not partisan on

39:31In southern's media like max, I think you would agree, you know, we root for the team because our

39:36Readers and our listeners root for the team, but like we can be we can keep it real

39:40We're not like fist pumping in the studio and stuff like that

39:43It was such a thrill to just like root for basketball with like my full chest. Um

39:49I'm aware of what it looks like to be an american abroad. So I wasn't you know an asshole about it, but

39:54Not only is it just like fun to root for

39:57jason and derrick and drew

40:00Oh my god rooting for steph curry is so fun. I'm, so jealous

40:04Uh max, what were some of your favorite moments from the tournament either as an american fan or just like a basketball fan?

40:10Oh, yeah, no the steph curry the gold medal game was you know, serb so serbia was great because

40:17you know, they were down I was I was at work and

40:20I was just you know, when I watch games i'm loud and that's why they kind of tuck me off into a corner

40:26Uh, but it is a high traffic area

40:28But at night it's you know when the celtics are playing it's usually it's less but it's the middle of the day

40:33And you know, there's people from telemundo coming over like what's going on? What's happening?

40:38Uh, and so everyone in the newsroom kind of got together and it's you know, it's

40:44There's four channels

40:46There's nbc 10. There's nbc sports boss. There's telemundo. There's necn

40:50Oh, it's a massive room massive building and we're all watching on this big screen and it was incredible. It was great

40:57It was so fun

40:59that serbia game

41:00uh, and you know, it was it felt great that and bead played well in that game too because

41:06I could come home and tell my daughters, you know, jojo saved america

41:10um

41:11And you know kind of not be lying about it a little bit

41:14and uh, so serbia was just that was a really fun experience and the gold medal game was just

41:20What a day it was, you know, we had the the women's soccer team

41:24Then we had the relays and then we had that game and then my daughter had to play

41:29it was like just a great day in general, so

41:31Uh those, you know those two days to me were were the highlights for sure

41:36How'd and how'd your daughter doing the play? She did great. She did great. I went nice all twice

41:41Good, man. Excellent. Um, it must be fun to be the father of a thespian alex. Um,

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42:54Um any luck on getting the crowd to say already welcome to the celtics lab podcast haven't attempted that yet

43:00Uh, but you know depending on the circumstances we could get there. We'll see. I'm sure the new york show. They just love that

43:07Yeah, I know that that's one thing that i'm sure they'd be really excited for

43:11cool, uh

43:13I'll go to justin. I'll go back to you. Alex. Justin. What were your favorite moments from uh, the olympics?

43:19honestly

43:20Besides stuff we've already talked about my favorite moment came after the u.s won gold and it wasn't

43:27from the u.s

43:28like I almost got

43:29Goosebumps reading the quote from victor. Wenbin yama when he was talking about how he feels bad for the opponents

43:37He's going to be facing the next couple of years and the guy was like, do you mean at fiba or at the nba?

43:42He's like everywhere. Yeah

43:45Oh my god, so cool

43:47I like that kid that kid seems i've never talked to him, but he seems

43:51Sharp and emotional and he's coming for us all

43:54Uh, alex, what were your highlights from the basketball?

43:58Oh, man, you know, I there were so many. Um, obviously the steph curry explosion to uh,

44:05Seal the deal was incredible to watch like just from a basketball standpoint. That was awesome

44:11um, you know, I think

44:13The uh, the golden generation so to speak putting on the cape along with imbied, uh at the end of the serbia game was amazing

44:21um

44:22but one thing that I really want to throw out is the women's gold final was

44:27a

44:28Spectacular mess of basketball. It was so bizarre and fun to watch it was um

44:36Like but I I think it's fair to say that team usa which team usa women's has of course been

44:42Historically dominant for decades now

44:44um, this is the hardest game that they ever played, uh, and I think they've surely

44:50Felt the kind of psychic weight of that which affected the encore product. They looked

44:55Unusually sloppy and out of sorts and had a lot of like pretty poor play by their standards

45:02But to see them gut out that win particularly

45:05Just kind of grinding on the defensive end

45:08Um, you know watching asia wilson kind of take over in the most important moment of that game and really cement herself

45:15as in my mind, you know one of the

45:18Three or four best w nba slash women's basketball players of all time

45:24um, it was a really cool game to watch and

45:27The french women's national team is really good guys. They brought it. I don't know. I I think that that was really cool for me

45:38I

45:41Think kim let it froze on us

45:45I see him moving. He's slowly moving. Yeah, it's unbelievable. We hear you. That's good

45:54We're getting there i'm here it says i'm here

45:57You're moving you're moving. Okay, put some wd40 in the internet

46:05Oh boy didn't work

46:08Oh

46:10Well, if you guys want me to stall a little bit, uh, one thing I did not like

46:15was the

46:17the discourse during the women's game where

46:20Everyone's like this is why you need caitlyn clark on the team. I just man brain dead. It was so frustrating. It's

46:28She and again she was bad

46:30she was not playing well when they put the roster together and I feel like there were people that said even

46:35if they had

46:37Put the roster together like right as the olympics started she would have been on the team

46:41But she just wasn't having a good enough start to the season

46:45and she just hadn't earned the spot yet and people acting like oh imagine the ratings if it's like

46:49Why do you care about the olympics?

46:52Why do you care?

46:54Are we getting gold medals with the ratings written on them or something?

46:58Gold is gold, baby

47:00I'm just going to throw out a kind of general plea to celtics fans listeners by and large, which is this. Um,

47:08there's a certain

47:10Nominally boston sports commentator, uh who works for a website that is named after something that you would sit on

47:19And i'm just going to nominally throw out there that with regard to basketball and basketball related takes

47:25If you come across this person's takes in your feed you should simply ignore them because they are not interesting or useful

47:32to

47:33Well, really anything?

47:35And i'm just going to leave it at that

47:38I like that

47:39I don't even like his stupid pizza takes. How's that?

47:42um

47:43I'm, well, I have wi-fi i'm gonna do post roll and then max will close with one last question

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48:21right

48:23Yeah, actually max. I have two questions for you

48:25Um, one is a max question and the other is for everyone the one for everyone is just what's one thing

48:30Celtics or otherwise you're looking forward to um with the nba sort of around the corner

48:35um, but max, uh

48:37If you want to tease anything you guys are cooking up for celtics coverage next year if it's new and exciting

48:42This is your moment

48:45Oh, well, uh, you guys may have seen the official announcement that kayla burton has joined our

48:53On-air talent crew

48:54I'm, not exactly sure i'm pretty sure she's going to be doing all the celtic stuff. Um, she's great. I really love her

49:00I've gotten to know her a little bit these past couple weeks. Um

49:04And she's hired to replace amina who tom giles had replaced for half the season

49:09Uh who fun fact I went to college with tommy at uh northeastern

49:13So that was a real thrill to get to

49:17Win an emmy right before winning a championship, you know doing those games, you know, he got the me2 and it was just like

49:24You know, we were

49:25We have pictures on facebook. Yeah, that's how old we are. We have facebook

49:29uh that we posted in like

49:312006

49:32Uh of us drinking in my apartment on uh columbus app. So that was a real thrill

49:38So we got uh, just a nice crew of people, uh, obviously

49:41You know eddie

49:43Uh and scowl and you know drew carter will be the full-time guy this year. Um, so

49:50You know, I i've been playing around with the idea. I kind of want to get uh, celtic census back

49:54Uh the little talk show that we did during the pandemic from right here in my basement

49:59um

50:00But maybe with like more bells and whistles and like I said in

50:03studio

50:04um

50:05So look out for that

50:06Maybe we'll put something like that together because that was fun because I just like making fun of people

50:10um

50:12That are wrong about trivia

50:14Next I don't think we've talked about this drew is like the mayor

50:18when you

50:19Talk shop with him at the garden. It's so hard because everyone is saying what's up to him and he

50:25I've said this before it's like I suspect i'm not that much older than him. But sometimes I wonder if he's like

50:30too young to even notice how ridiculous it is, but

50:34Yeah, you guys he's he's such a charmer. I'm so jealous. He's a great guy. He really is

50:39He's a ball buster. That's what I love like and you know

50:43and

50:43uh

50:45You know, he and he can take it too except the gift jiff thing

50:48I think I really got under his skin with that. I bought him a little thing of peanut butter and said here's your jiff

50:53Yeah

50:55Um, but yeah, he's great, uh, he really and he does he's tall too it's kind of annoying me because i'm short but

51:02um

51:04Uh, he's a he's

51:06I I did career day. Um

51:08At my old middle school and one kid in total earnest said do you ever get intimidated when you talk to the handsome players?

51:15and I was so taken back but

51:17The first time I met drew I was like jesus. This is such a handsome person i'm talking to I don't know what to do

51:22with myself

51:23anyways

51:24Uh, the question I really wanted to ask is what are you looking forward to next season?

51:27Um max you get to go last because you're the guest so i'll go around the horn the other way

51:31Justin one thing you're looking forward to next season

51:34The

51:35Boston celtics being sold to someone so we know whether to hit the panic button if it is john henry

51:41or if it is someone who is going to respect the traditions and

51:46trajectory of this particular celtics team

51:55Was that yours

51:57Hmm

52:01Yeah, i'll go uh the thing that I am looking forward to as far as uh next season

52:06So obviously the main thing i'm looking forward to is the celtics going back to back

52:10um, but the thing that i'm looking forward to that is not the celtics, uh related is

52:16I'm kind of looking forward to this spurs playoff push

52:19I'm, very interested to see what chris paul looks like on that team. I kind of feel like

52:24In some ways it might be the perfect place for chris paul to wrap up his career just like throwing lobs to this alien freak

52:32Um, and i'm i'm very excited to see what that spurs team looks like

52:36Max, what are you excited for? Uh with regard to the celtics the nba basketball generally as this?

52:47I'm really looking forward to the nba cup. No, i'm just kidding

52:49Uh

52:50If they had made the the groups the divisions imagine how awesome that would have been

52:56If it was the atlantic division

52:58like remember divisions

53:01Yeah

53:03It would be great if they did that and like what it's not it's not even yeah, okay who cares?

53:08You think the celtics group is even it's not it's not even at all. Uh, and

53:14I don't know. I just think that that's that feels like a missed opportunity for the nba

53:19but um, no, i'm i'm just looking forward to

53:23derrick white floaters

53:25uh

53:26Some cookies and cream connections, which we'll get halfway through the season

53:31I want to see jason tatum

53:33Playing basketball not sitting on the bench

53:36um, and I want to see jalen brown just

53:40Kicking ass and taking names, you know, I want him dunking on people just like he did last year

53:46And I want uh more success I want joe

53:49to bring out footage of orcas and

53:53pack hunting animals

53:56um

53:57And just really let's just dive into that. Uh more because i'm a big orca guy. Um, i'm afraid of them

54:05Uh, I have a should be

54:08respectful fear of them

54:11um

54:12But you know

54:13And maybe throw in some peregrine falcons, uh, that's I would recommend that if you are in wild dogs

54:20Look at those, uh, those falcons. They're great. They're super fast. Uh, yeah, and that's that. Uh, i'm just i'm excited to get back into it

54:29Max i'm tagging you in a thread about orca whales that I recently made because of joe mazula. Um

54:36That that's i'm so happy I got back in the room to hear that because I love how nobody's like

54:40What do you mean joe mazula orcas?

54:43Just like yeah, okay move on

54:46uh

54:47It's so good to talk to people who are like chronically

54:50In the weeds about the nba being on vacation with emily like she knows a lot about the nba, but it's not she's not

54:56You know crazy like we are so it's good to be back. Uh, okay before my wi-fi kicks off again

55:03Max thank you for your patience. So thanks for coming on the self-taught podcast. Thanks for prize picks. Thanks to game time

55:08Thanks to alex. Thanks to divine sweater. Thanks to justin

55:11and thank you to comcast for your

55:14Hideously terrible wi-fi. Um, okay. We'll be back next week with more of the same like and subscribe to never miss an episode adios

55:38Like you told me I should

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