Weaponized Religion: The Secret Christian Nationalist Origins of the NAR - Episode 180 Branm Podcast

Name: Weaponized Religion: The Secret Christian Nationalist Origins of the NAR - Episode 180 Branm Podcast
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John Collins and John McKinnon examine the intricate connections between Christian identity, early Christian fundamentalism, and politics, tracing the roots of the New Apostolic Reformation. They explore the significant events that laid the foundation for this movement, focusing on figures such as Roy Davis, who had a controversial past and connections with the Ku Klux Klan, and how these connections influenced the development of various religious and political movements.

A key point of the discussion is the role of Davis in California during the 1940s and his efforts to blend religion and politics to form a new wave of the Ku Klux Klan. The hosts highlight the involvement of other significant figures like Gerald L.K. Smith and Wesley Swift, who contributed to the fusion of Christian identity with politics. The episode also uncovers how these early connections and strategies laid the groundwork for later movements, including the Latter Rain, Charismatic, and New Apostolic Reformation, emphasizing the long-lasting impact of these early alliances on contemporary religious and political landscapes.

Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
01:04 The Epicenter of Research: Roy Davis' Connection to the Klan
03:10 Early California Revivals and the Role of Davis
05:26 Christian Identity and Anti-Semitic Movements
08:00 Davis' Singing Conventions and Orphanage Scheme
11:04 Fraud and Legal Issues Faced by Davis
14:42 William Branham's Connection and Early Ministry
20:22 Davis' Influence on Christian Identity and Klan Activities
24:00 Financial Schemes and the Misuse of Funds
30:35 Davis and Upshaw: Revival Meetings and Racial Segregation
38:03 The Broader Impact on Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements
45:02 The Kardashian Connection and Media Influence
52:09 Contemporary Implications of Historical Events

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00:00:00You

00:00:30Hello and welcome to another episode of the William Branham historical research podcast

00:00:36I'm your host John Collins the author and founder of William Branham historical research at William

00:00:42Branham org and with me I have my co-host researcher and friend John McKinnon the author of the persuasive

00:00:50preacher the gifted prophet and the noble politician and together we're discussing

00:00:55Weaponized religion how Christian identity fused with early Christian

00:01:00Fundamentalism and politics to form the foundation for the new apostolic Reformation

00:01:07John today we have hit the epicenter for

00:01:11the combination of all of the research the

00:01:14Birth of what would become the NAR?

00:01:16I mean this really if you look back at this event, there are so many trails that lead back to this event and

00:01:24I will never forget. I was working

00:01:27Closely with I'm not gonna give his name but a pretty big name in the message

00:01:32he had sent me a tip that

00:01:34Roy Davis was the

00:01:36Later the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and I didn't believe it. You know, I was like no, there's no way

00:01:44And I had all the research of Davis's criminal past. I knew that he was a

00:01:50You know, I at that time I thought he was a two-bit leader of the 1915 Klan

00:01:55I saw him holding public debates and that kind of thing. I did not know yet. He was the second-in-command

00:02:03but I

00:02:05Kept researching and I kept following the trail forward from I guess it was around

00:02:121917 1915 all the way up to you know

00:02:16Roy Davis connecting with Branham and

00:02:20Then suddenly I discovered this thing that happened out in, California and I began scratching my head

00:02:26Oh my gosh, this this was like in the grand scheme of the puzzle is it's like building two separate

00:02:32sides of the puzzle and finally you find that one piece that connects everything together and

00:02:39Honestly, this was it

00:02:41Yeah, John

00:02:43Your research and finding that key that piece of the puzzle that started and blew the whole thing open and

00:02:50Started you on that trail for the research really has made a huge impact and it does tie everything together

00:02:56You know

00:02:57This becomes the epicenter as you say and we got several details here to share on this

00:03:04Davis's experiences in California, but it's the time when California was the hotbed of all this and

00:03:11Pentecostalism

00:03:12Christian identity and

00:03:14And all the revivalism going on. There was a lot of revivals up and down the coast of California

00:03:19So so there was a lot going on at this time

00:03:21Plus plus the nation was involved in a war and so it just came together. Like you said all all coming together

00:03:28We'll find out that that Branham was hugely involved with this and he was one that spearheaded the revival

00:03:35When he broke out onto the scene

00:03:37So we'll find that he comes together and there's very interesting things that happen between him Upshaw and Davis

00:03:44That connects the three together and in my mind it it finally connected the three together when I saw that

00:03:50It was no doubt that there was some issues going on here with this ministry

00:03:56But Davis stays in California a while then moves on to Dallas later on

00:04:00we'll find out and and really gets the attention of the FBI and

00:04:05He does appear in some documents because he tries to start the the Klu Klux Klan again

00:04:10Calling it the original Knights and he also forms citizen councils

00:04:16We'll find and those were very instrumental and and really big and trying to prevent integration and keep segregation going on

00:04:24But he did this in several states, you know, he's got Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana

00:04:28Mississippi and I think he's even in Florida later on in time

00:04:33Yeah, there's so much here that honestly we won't even be able to skim the surface there's there are too many

00:04:40moving parts to all of this but to lay the foundation so we're approximately

00:04:461944 in the timeline and

00:04:501944 was a pivotal moment in the United States you had

00:04:55Franklin Delano Roosevelt who the Christian identity movement had

00:05:01Laid a finger on as what they believed to be the head of the Jewish conspiracy in the United States and

00:05:08Believed that whenever FDR was elected for a third term

00:05:13they believed he was forming a dictatorship in the United States and

00:05:17now the third term by 1944 was turning into a fourth term and

00:05:23Christian identity leader Gerald LK Smith

00:05:27Rose to fight against this he had minimal effect because he didn't win very many votes

00:05:34But in California where we're talking about he was quite popular

00:05:39Due to the fact that the Klan was being rebirthed as an opposition to this Jewish conspiracy this alleged

00:05:46Jewish conspiracy

00:05:48So out in California, you have leaders of the Klan and leaders of Christian identity working together

00:05:55One of the most significant figures would be

00:06:00Wesley Swift from which William Branham developed his to seed or he called it serpent seed doctrine

00:06:07Swift became Gerald LK Smith's right-hand man in many ways and

00:06:13continued to carry that torch for years to come and

00:06:17He we have identified him working directly with Roy Davis in places like Little Rock, Arkansas

00:06:23Where the Little Rock 9 event would later happen

00:06:27So we've got Swift. We've got Gerald LK Smith

00:06:30You've got Davis who is birthing the next wave of the Ku Klux Klan. Like you said

00:06:37He's bringing it back to call it the original Knights. He's he sees himself as another William Joseph Simmons

00:06:44He believes that he can birth the original movement

00:06:47He believed that the

00:06:49You know, the movement had gone astray when they outed Simmons according to Davis's

00:06:55Themes and so he was wanting to connect he connected with William Upshaw

00:07:00who is also a ranking member of the Klan and they were going to birth it, but they needed money and

00:07:07here lies the problem and the solution and

00:07:12literally, this became the

00:07:14Prototype for what religion and politics would do later. They found a way to get money. It wasn't quite on the up-and-up

00:07:22but they were blending religion politics Christian identity

00:07:28Klan and

00:07:30Honestly, they were laying the framework for many things that we'll see later in the NAR the prophetic claims the you know

00:07:38You could even trace to some extent you could probably trace the word of faith movements because as we'll get into this episode

00:07:45It was largely influenced by what would come so many trails

00:07:49I can't even list them all for this episode, but it all happened right here in

00:07:541944

00:07:55yeah, California where Roy Davis was he was in the news quite a bit and

00:08:01They you know in April of 43 it was Davis began organizing singing conventions and bringing the churches together

00:08:08So that was really the start and once he got there and married Ali Lee, you know, they got their start

00:08:13You know organizing these things and these singing conventions were pretty popular

00:08:17There were many groups that came to join that because everybody liked singing and gospel singing was becoming real popular

00:08:24Southern gospel and so forth in America. And so everybody would love to get together over that so

00:08:30Davis wouldn't have been successful had he got together with his Baptist Church and said we're gonna get the churches together

00:08:36But by organizing singing conventions, it brought churches of all denominations together because they were very careful to say we're welcoming everybody

00:08:44Anybody that wants to come and join us so it was all going to be a front. So later on he could promote his

00:08:51You know white supremacy and you know Christian identity, which a lot of them held

00:08:56Anyway, a lot of those churches were a part of that anyway and and held those type of beliefs

00:09:02but he held conventions quite a bit March and April of 1943 and

00:09:08organized and promoted

00:09:09Christian identity white supremacy, but he was using the religious movement once he got the people together

00:09:15You know, he could get their names and and they could all be joined together in one unified front

00:09:21But it was all the front was used to put this together was it was wartime

00:09:26You know the American needed singing to help ease the stress of the war

00:09:31So it all became a very good time for all this to happen and unite people and bring them together

00:09:37And that's how Roy was able to do that there

00:09:40And also to need money, you know, like you said they needed money to be able to pull this off

00:09:46So Davis he had tried this back in I guess Nashville or you know

00:09:52Knoxville's and why was in Tennessee and maybe even in Louisville Jeffersonville, but he always wanted to perform an orphanage and

00:09:59Because he knows that orphanage can bring in money now

00:10:02He definitely want to do that again

00:10:05and they were able to get this resort this closed-down resort and turn it into an orphanage to be able to

00:10:12Raise the money and he was able to find a benefactress named Elizabeth Usher. She was not married

00:10:18I don't know if she was a widow, but she had quite a bit of money

00:10:21She'd come in to some money I guess through family

00:10:24Leaving her money and he was able to get quite a bit of money back in those days from her

00:10:29several donations and she became the secretary of the what they call the Davis Usher Foundation and

00:10:36During that time they took in a few children and some of them were half orphans

00:10:41They called them because they have one parent living but back in those days

00:10:44I guess being hard times the parents would you know, allow them to live in the orphanage

00:10:48They could be raised and so he took in only nine children

00:10:52But then Davis does something crooked to get more funds

00:10:56And money and even food back in those days when food was a little scarce and they even had to ration it

00:11:02He misrepresented the number of children so he inflated the number of children so he could get

00:11:08You know all that money from the government and then he got in trouble over that we'll find

00:11:13So he took funds from this wealthy woman under false pretenses, you know

00:11:17he pretended to be the FBI and I believe Upshaw was very much involved in this because

00:11:23Him and Upshaw was in touch. He was in touch with Upshaw at this time Upshaw became the treasurer

00:11:29I believe of this foundation right before it sprang into and got in trouble with the law then and Upshaw

00:11:36Quietly got away pretty quickly

00:11:38Enough so that Davis said he doesn't have any contact with this organization now

00:11:42I'm sure he was trying to protect congressman Upshaw because if Upshaw would have been arrested, you know

00:11:47it would have been bad publicity and his his days would have been over for speaking before the public so

00:11:54His old friend from the Klan days were met now back together. They were back together in the same, you know doing the same

00:11:59Thing just working together to promote their their their ideas and one thing key to mention in all of this

00:12:07It's not just this developing ladder rain, you know precursor to the latter rain movement that is connected to this

00:12:14Upshaw was the vice president of the Southern Baptist Convention and

00:12:18His ties to the Pentecostals the Baptists the fundamentalists all of these different movements

00:12:25They all knew Upshaw's name when William Branham said Upshaw, I've never heard that name

00:12:30I've never I never knew who this was

00:12:33it had to have been an outright lie because Upshaw was one of the most popular men among all of this and

00:12:40Connected directly to Davis. So there's no way that William Branham working with Davis would have not known Upshaw

00:12:47In fact, there's a strong possibility that Branham was holding revivals with Upshaw and knew that he did not need a wheelchair

00:12:55Whenever Upshaw was pushed to the you know to the stage or you know pushed into the revival

00:13:01To be allegedly healed while sitting in a wheelchair

00:13:05but before we get into that I want to go back to that singing convention because

00:13:12For me, this is just eye-opening and it's unbelievable me being a music fan. It holds even more interest. I

00:13:20Grew up with you know, the National Quartet Convention, which

00:13:24You know, I can't really trace it back to this being the origin because there were other conventions

00:13:30but to date this is the largest singing convention that I've

00:13:34Seen and witnessed and there were big names of groups that I had records of these people

00:13:41going to meet with Roy Davis to sing at this convention and

00:13:47In this

00:13:48Article that's describing how Davis had established all of this network of singing conventions

00:13:54It was actually an organization that was founded in San Diego by Davis

00:14:00He it is mentioned that he was a member of the original stamps quartet

00:14:06Another group that I grew up listening to I heard JD Sumner in the stamps, you know

00:14:11I had records of those I played those constantly

00:14:14JD Sumner was I think I can't remember what year it was, but he held the world's record as the lowest bass singer

00:14:22Known to man he could go down to the bottom note of the piano and I think it was either three or seven notes below

00:14:29He could actually go below the bottom note of the piano and hearing that was just you know for me

00:14:35it was it was crazy cool, but

00:14:38so Davis sets up this convention and

00:14:41There are a few key things to note

00:14:43There are names that are dropped in this whenever it is mentioning the stamps Baxter quartet

00:14:50There are four names that are mentioned and they're significant when you think of Christian identity

00:14:56Davis obviously was you know was of interest Upshaw also was of interest

00:15:02but it also lists William Jennings Bryan and

00:15:05Bryan was the champion of this movement against the

00:15:11The evolution you can go to the the scopes trial

00:15:15he was you know a big backbone to why the scopes trial against evolution came to be and

00:15:22The way it mentions it

00:15:25there's a question for me as to whether or not those four people were part of the

00:15:32Original stamps quartet the the fourth one being dr. Caleb Ridley

00:15:36Who was the supreme religious chaplain of the Ku Klux Klan?

00:15:41Back when Davis was the second-in-command

00:15:44It says that Roy E Davis upland president of this convention will be master of ceremonies

00:15:50He was one of the original stamps quartet when it traveled out of Dallas and which sang on Chautauqua programs featuring

00:15:58William Jennings Bryan

00:16:00Congressman Upshaw and dr. Caleb a Ridley

00:16:04So the way it's written, it's very difficult. I've tried to go back and find records and see exactly

00:16:10What it meant it sounds like that's the quartet

00:16:13But it could also mean that Davis and his quartet sang on the Chautauqua trails with these guys

00:16:19But at any rate it's significant that those names are dropped because as this thing is developing

00:16:26These are key figures in and how all of this would be birthed and you can see some of that research if you go to my

00:16:33Website, but there's another there's a little phrase and not many people would have caught it

00:16:38There's a little just one sentence news right underneath this article

00:16:43It said youths under 21 accounted for 15% of all arrests for murder

00:16:5034% for larceny and robbery and 50% for burglary

00:16:561942 youths

00:16:58so I read this and you know, I

00:17:01My mind just works like this. I saw this and I'm like, well, that's an odd thing to say here in the newspaper

00:17:07Why did they do that? And that led me down the trail of why Davis chose to set up this orphanage?

00:17:14This was one of the biggest problems in California at that time

00:17:19the youth were turning evil and

00:17:23Not because they were just inherently bad like most people back then probably thought

00:17:29there was a large influx of

00:17:32orphans that came in to California because of the war of all nationalities and

00:17:40there were so many coming in in fact that California was becoming inundated and there was no place to put all of these orphans and

00:17:48So you had orphans from overseas you had orphans from California

00:17:53you had this growing number of or of just children who

00:17:57Their parents were so busy trying to just earn a living that they weren't getting proper to parenting

00:18:03And they were turning to crime and some of its serious crime when you think of 15% of all arrests for murder

00:18:10That's a very high number for children. It's

00:18:14Unbelievable honestly

00:18:16So Davis when he's setting up this orphanage, he's setting it up at a time that California really needed orphanages and

00:18:23that likely would have attracted Usher to

00:18:27Participate in this because oh my gosh

00:18:3015% of all murders were committed by children

00:18:34So she invested in this and we'll get into a little bit deeper the details of how she was snookered into this

00:18:41but another key point of interest is that

00:18:45William Upshaw former congressman and former presidential campaign leader

00:18:52He ran under the prohibition ticket Upshaw

00:18:56convinced Usher that Roy Davis was a federal agent and

00:19:01When I first saw that I thought well, it's just an outright lie

00:19:03There's no way that you know Davis is obviously not a federal agent and with his criminal history. He couldn't be

00:19:11But when you consider

00:19:13What the Christian Identity Movement during those years was doing they believed?

00:19:19falsely that the Jewish people had

00:19:23Launched this plot to take over the world and had put FDR in and so there was a rising

00:19:30Underworld of government that was really rising up to overthrow the actual government in the United States

00:19:37So Davis was being

00:19:39painted by all of these people in Christian identity as a federal agent going to overthrow the government and

00:19:46When you think of the NAR seven mountain mandates one of the mountains is government

00:19:52This you know, this theme carries on for years and years and years

00:19:57You can even find quotes for Branham where he's talking about how he spoke out

00:20:02So heavily against the government that they were going to arrest him

00:20:06Well in 1944 also you had the Great Sedition trial of all of these people who were

00:20:12Siding with the Nazis over Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his policies. There's so many connections back to this but

00:20:20To set the stage for all of this the reason for the orphanage was significant

00:20:2515% of all murders were committed by children. Yeah, that's right. I don't remember that phrase in the newspaper

00:20:33It's good that you caught that because it does mean a lot as far as why the why it was done

00:20:38So I'm a little collector myself and I was able to get the original photo

00:20:45From the Internet you can see here

00:20:47This was the photo that appeared in the papers with Roy Davis and his orphans his nine orphans not 75

00:20:53and then also the we have very few pictures of Davis himself, but I also have the original press photo of

00:21:00Mrs. Usher and Davis himself when she was accusing him, you know of

00:21:06The taking the money under false pretenses, but you can see all the stamps on the back. It's official

00:21:11So these were the pictures they put in the newspaper

00:21:14But I was able to get those and just being a collector. I kind of keep those as mementos

00:21:19but

00:21:20It's interesting that congressman Upshaw how they came together and you know, you know

00:21:26How could you even plan it any better than their old friends now congressman is now 79 years old

00:21:32he's getting to be an old man and

00:21:34They live 25 miles from each other. I was looking on the maps from where Davis is in Upland and

00:21:40Congressman is in San Bernardino, California, but they're 25 miles from each other. That's not very far

00:21:46You know, it's they could spend time, you know fellowshipping a lot. So they were they were connected again and

00:21:52Congressman was giving the talks after the singing convention in March and April

00:21:57He gave a talk at Los Angeles the Church of the Open Door in June called who shall rule the world?

00:22:03So you can see is what you were saying, you know

00:22:06I'm sure it had something to do with the Jewish conspiracy perhaps and the communistic

00:22:12Take over the United States and FDR being an office and promoting it. So he was now speaking in churches about

00:22:21Topics such as that so that was one thing he did and of course Roy Davis starting his

00:22:28Orphanage was another big thing

00:22:31So in September see this is the orphanage was slated to open in September of 43

00:22:37so they had a big opening and

00:22:39ceremonies and the

00:22:41former money

00:22:43Monte Vista Resort is where it was

00:22:45Hailed at and that was where they took over to have the orphanage

00:22:49So John D. Williams, dr. John D. Williams of San Diego San Diego was named superintendent

00:22:55Davis even said he was going to get

00:22:58you know

00:22:59Instructors from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary to come and instruct there at the orphanage. I'm not sure how successful he would have been at that but

00:23:09Roy Davis probably meant to use the orphanage if he could have continued it as more of an indoctrination tool

00:23:16Not only getting money but using it to indoctrinate the children into his beliefs and values

00:23:24Upshaw was taking an active part also and he was to be in charge

00:23:28Believe it or not for the Department of Americanism. It says that in the newspaper here

00:23:33He was that was what he was going to be in charge of and we know that

00:23:37Americanism was a buzzword a term used in those days to to speak of this very thing Christian nationalism

00:23:44It was it was another way to describe it and so that was going on and then

00:23:49all of a sudden the things just fall apart, you know, the

00:23:55usher gets a little bit suspicious of Davis because here he was posing as an FBI agent and

00:24:00She was being eased out. She said that she was gradually being eased out of the

00:24:06the organization

00:24:07So not only did he get her money

00:24:10He was trying to push her out. Once he got the money that she could offer up then then she was out

00:24:16So Davis gets in trouble with the Office of Price Administration

00:24:20That was an organization established in 1941 by the president to control

00:24:25Money, it was price controls and rents after the outbreak of World War two to prevent

00:24:30Skyrocketing prices and so under that you could actually get money for things such as orphanages and children

00:24:37So when he inflated the number

00:24:39They found out about it an investigator

00:24:42Found out because they did investigate these things

00:24:44They had to make it valid that you were actually getting money under the right cause

00:24:49So it's the the newspapers reported the orphanage gets too much money or too much food

00:24:55Minister draws for 75 and has nine. So that's what it all started. It broke broke open around

00:25:02February of 1944. So here we are almost a year later, and he was arrested

00:25:07At first Ali Lee his wife was arrested and others and

00:25:11And then they held him in there in the prison quite a bit. He was held in jail until the trial and

00:25:18He was trying to get

00:25:20free on bond, but

00:25:22The fundraiser usher she became disillusioned

00:25:26She was it was being investigated by a police chief and they were

00:25:31Miss usher was questioned and she just described herself as being just a disillusioned over the whole thing because she was being it was being

00:25:38Represented to her as a worthy cause and so she was innocent in the whole thing. She wasn't

00:25:45Guilty of the things Davis was he was hiding everything from her and and doing things under the cover. So

00:25:53As we get into this

00:25:55After all these arrests then Davis keeps getting charge after charge

00:25:59Against him not only from the food but from taking money under false pretenses and also there's this lady

00:26:06That was uh, they were charging parents $35 a month and Davis said at the opening ceremonies that we're gonna do this free

00:26:13Yeah, we're taking in

00:26:15Children without charging them and that's and that was the whole purpose for raising money and Davis had been

00:26:20Throughout the whole state of California on radio in various places to raise money for this orphanage

00:26:25So by this time, he probably has a pretty good cash

00:26:29Flow going and probably has a pretty good bank account, but they only mentioned this

00:26:34$8,500 that he gets from this usher is really what brought him down

00:26:38But but taking money from parents for $35 a month. That was you know, he was already supporting

00:26:44They're supporting their own children. Plus he's taking money elsewhere. So

00:26:48Davis was questioned by molar and said and after this arrest

00:26:52He said Upshaw was not connected with the foundation at the present time

00:26:55So there's Davis covering for Upshaw to so he could just ease himself out and not be charged

00:27:01But David's Davis received money from all over California who'd heard his programs and solicitations over a Riverside radio station

00:27:09so then

00:27:10There was also a lady that charged him for taking the money that she actually sent to her son there

00:27:16You know, he was a half orphan

00:27:17I guess the dad was passed away maybe through the war

00:27:21But she had sent a dollar a week to her son

00:27:24And coming to find out, you know, Davis was pocketing the money. He he didn't even bother to give him the money

00:27:30He received neither the letter she sent nor the money now that sounds to me like a the little boy was in prison

00:27:36you know the in prison they don't give you the

00:27:39Mail, usually if it's uh, they don't want you to have it

00:27:42Oh, and they definitely don't give you the money, but it sounds like it was a

00:27:45Dictatorship and so he got even more charges over that

00:27:50So he he was charged with stealing a thousand dollars

00:27:54She invested in the foundation that usher invested

00:27:57And then she made the complaint against him that made the eighth complaint

00:28:01Against Davis. So just just all these things charged against Davis

00:28:05And then Davis was charging that one of this his uh associates there had stolen some money from him

00:28:12Associates there had stolen some money from him. So there was some back and forth

00:28:17And then the trial started so around april the 20th of 1944

00:28:23Davis starts writing stories about how this

00:28:27Orphanage came to him. He said it allegedly came to him after he had a vision after he ate a peach

00:28:34So that was reported in the papers

00:28:36And I bet Davis relates this story because you know

00:28:39The supernatural and signs and wonders were real big in the state of california with all the revivals going on. So

00:28:45He was doing that probably to get the sympathy of the jury

00:28:48that was going to be trying him and he

00:28:51Reports this vision and he said it was a true story

00:28:54and as we see there's so much of that going on nowadays, you know people report they

00:28:58they went to heaven and you know met jesus they

00:29:02played and

00:29:03Did whatever up there in heaven and came back down and they they got a free pass to go back and forth to heaven

00:29:08Or they have great visions and or they're receiving this mantle from some minister that's passed away

00:29:14So there's just so much of that going on

00:29:16And this was the very start of it, you know, we have people reporting false stories like this

00:29:21You know that uh, it just it just was a spearhead of all this whole thing, you know

00:29:26Branham branham was very famous for that. He he spoke many things in his life story

00:29:31That were proven not to be true because actually davis interjected in the voice of helen

00:29:36Uh things that were contrary to his life story. So

00:29:39You don't really know what's true and what's not true anymore. And I think that's how it is today

00:29:44With all the stories going around with the churches. They just don't know

00:29:47You know

00:29:48They have to believe their leaders and they tend to believe those that set themselves up as apostles and prophets

00:29:53As their leaders so they tend to believe all these wild stories and there's been so many of that so much of that

00:30:00But in 1944 in april, uh, he ends up getting acquitted on several counts. It says three counts

00:30:06He was acquitted

00:30:09On the charges of impersonating an fbi agent three counts of that

00:30:14and so

00:30:16Little by little davis worms his way out of uh spending jail time here

00:30:20It's amazing that he was able to do that. I don't know what arrangements they eventually had that made him become acquitted

00:30:26But but he did these charges were dropped and perhaps it was the sympathy. He he was able to get from the jury

00:30:32You know through those stories. Yeah, I have a little bit of a different take on it this

00:30:37This was a criminal organization

00:30:39And what they were doing make no

00:30:41Make no mistake. They were funding

00:30:44The next wave of the ku klux klan to build the clan. They had to have money

00:30:49They were thinking of throwing overthrowing the national government

00:30:53So they needed weapons and weapons cost money

00:30:57And if you go through the history of what happened with the next wave of the klan

00:31:03They often use this type of strategy

00:31:06they one of the things that it might have been you that told me somebody else pointed out to me, but the

00:31:12louisiana rifle association

00:31:14That was a funding operation for the klan and when people would give money to the lra

00:31:22Then if the government were to have investigated

00:31:25They could clearly say that they weren't funding the weaponization of a domestic terrorist group. They could say no

00:31:32I just donated to the louisiana rifle association

00:31:35And so their hands are clean. There's a separation between them and the really evil thing that's going on

00:31:42Similarly whenever people donated to the orphanage knowing what they were donating to

00:31:48Then they could say I simply donated to an orphanage I had no idea that this was a growing domestic terrorist organization

00:31:57And we're not talking about small sums of money you you mentioned the the numbers there and

00:32:03The one dollar a month, for example

00:32:06That comes out to about seventeen dollars in today's money

00:32:09So when you add those up, it's almost a hundred dollars a month that this person was giving and this was just one of many people

00:32:16When miss usher gave her what was it?

00:32:197,500 I think that's

00:32:21It's over a hundred and fifty thousand in today's money. So that's a large sum of money

00:32:27and

00:32:28Upshaw managed the books according to that first article you read and they were keeping two sets of accounting books

00:32:35One where the money was actually going which I don't think they ever fully

00:32:40Identified where that you know that book and where the ledger of where that money was going

00:32:45But they did note that they had a witness that said there were two sets of books kept

00:32:50So they were collecting money. They were funding the clan

00:32:53And as we'll get into future episodes, this was you know

00:32:58This was brought down and the clan started funding in other ways

00:33:02And it's really really sketchy when you see what happened

00:33:07whenever latter rain was birthed because

00:33:10William Branham while

00:33:12Going through all of these revivals saying I never take an offering

00:33:16and

00:33:17you know in the early days he dressed very very fancy, but

00:33:20Over time he got a little bit smarter and he started the kentucky hillbilly

00:33:26dressing

00:33:27Poorly stage persona, which was all an act

00:33:30But in the earliest revivals the newspapers were shocked that it took two

00:33:37Very very hefty men to carry the boxes of money from those revivals

00:33:42And you look at the way branham lived the cars that he drove even though some of them were fancy in the early years

00:33:49You can't really account for the volume of money that flowed through those. Where was the money going?

00:33:55And we know that branham was working directly with davis davis was

00:34:00Branham had two significant mentors on his theology. One of them davis the other one ff bosworth

00:34:06and

00:34:07whenever you consider that branham was working with davis from his

00:34:11As early as 1929

00:34:14probably earlier than that

00:34:16All the way up until he knows as davis is the imperial wizard of the clan the national imperial wizard

00:34:23Branham knows his travel itinerary when even the u.s. Government doesn't know

00:34:29The itinerary of davis where he's going to be

00:34:32So we know that he's working closely. We know that this large sum of money is going into the revivals

00:34:39But yet if you look at all the numbers you can't account for it

00:34:42And even when the irs investigated branham and tried to find where all the money went there was they?

00:34:49Put a large large number which still doesn't account for all the money that he would have got

00:34:55and it um

00:34:57It it got paid off from what i'm told there's no record of what happened

00:35:01But apparently the government got settled from another party

00:35:06But at any rate you had all this money going in

00:35:09To this usher davis orphanage. It was clearly to fund quote unquote americanism

00:35:15which was the christian nationalism, like you said the

00:35:18Clan used it the you know, all these organizations in white supremacy used that term because they wanted to overthrow the government

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00:36:27I'm sure like what you said the money money trail was a hard thing to follow

00:36:31especially when you dealt in cash

00:36:34And back then, you know, the cash was worth a lot more than is today by today's standards

00:36:39And and actually that that lady that sent her son a dollar. I think it was a dollar a week

00:36:43So you're talking about a hundred dollars a week or you know

00:36:46That's quite a quite a sum of money and i'm sure davis was glad to get that

00:36:51But um, the the pentecostal revival was taken off about this time in 1945 to 47

00:36:57You know bradham was getting his start about 1945 or earlier when he was becoming well known and like you said in early days

00:37:05You know, I think he realized very early on when he started recording his sermons

00:37:09That the people were going to hear these sermons

00:37:11So he had to present an image to the public of what what he wanted them to to know

00:37:17And he learned these techniques from davis very long time ago back in the 30s

00:37:22You know that what you present in the papers what you write about

00:37:25Uh people are going to read it and it's going to become the truth to them

00:37:29So early on he was written about in the newspapers of as being natalie dressed

00:37:33uh, he appeared I believe it was when he was with avicca gopi and he had a very

00:37:37He wore these white suits like the little david walker did

00:37:41And and they tended to wear suits like that that looked, you know, pretty pretty well dressed and he even talked about his watch

00:37:48I guess that would would stop when when the gift was operating

00:37:52and it would be a very expensive watch and

00:37:55And what I would probably never buy it might be like a rolex

00:37:59But uh, he quickly got away from that. Uh, i'm sure after he read the newspapers

00:38:05Papers and maybe some people probably told him you got to change your your appearance here because you're being seen as a rich man

00:38:11And which he was so he began to hide his his wealth

00:38:15And he hid it for a long long time and the irs like you said finally caught up with him

00:38:20You know in the 50s and and they and he was owing a lot of money by that time

00:38:25I mean he had taken all these checks and he said he ran them through his organization. He signed off on them

00:38:30But i'm sure a lot of the money went to him

00:38:32and to me very little of it went to the actual organization if you look at

00:38:37Uh how he promoted, uh, we could go into that detail sometime how he promoted his india trip coming up to south africa india

00:38:45You know, he was taking offerings all over the united states

00:38:48He would mention his the vision he had of going to india with the 300 000 souls that was to be saved

00:38:54And he was taking offerings everywhere because every and on tape you'll hear him say thank you for your offering

00:38:59Uh, it's all going to go to foreign missions

00:39:01but the trip that actually went it was no more than

00:39:04A team of you know, four or five people

00:39:07And maybe an airplane a hotel bill

00:39:10And so how much money does that take it wasn't a big convention

00:39:13And they had the convention in basically a church so that but all the money he took over all the united states

00:39:20You know, where did that go?

00:39:22That that was something that was i'm sure it went into his organization and made him

00:39:27You know pretty wealthy from all that then he had to come back after the failure of that and try to explain

00:39:33And try to make it sound like that. It was a great meeting when in fact it was uh much smaller

00:39:38And didn't cost as much as what he took in so so the money trail

00:39:43Very hard to follow but but we know that william brown took many expensive hunting trips. He was widely traveled. I mean going to colorado

00:39:51Montana, you know, new york upstate new york to hunt those things take a good bit of money even back in those days

00:39:59uh

00:40:00So in february of 1951, uh upshall being kind of out of the picture after this, uh orphanage blew up

00:40:07He came back into the picture in 51

00:40:10several years later

00:40:11we'll mention uh pretty briefly, but uh

00:40:14He was uh sent to the meeting. Uh, even bradham mentions this sent to the meeting by roy davis

00:40:20Now now to me when these things came together

00:40:22You got uh bradham on tape saying I never knew upshall

00:40:26But it was roy davis that sent him to the meeting. So why was upshaw and davis together again?

00:40:31You know davis being the head of the klu klux klan and then upshall

00:40:37Knowing they were connected back in the 30s and then bradham saying he never knew him

00:40:42And all he did was relate a vision and here we got a sermon here that he preached in 1954 talking about seeing a boy

00:40:49Playing on the haystack. So he describes this vision that he supposedly had

00:40:53uh in the meeting and

00:40:55Was seeing the man get out of the wheelchair

00:40:58And start walking so so that is exactly

00:41:02You know what he used is, you know

00:41:05They're using these visions these experiences to convince the audience that hey, I really saw something

00:41:10When actually under the end of the scenes behind the scenes, he actually knew the man

00:41:14He actually had very much acquainted with him. I there's to me

00:41:17There's just no way with him being so connected to davis

00:41:20and that being his first pastor that he wouldn't have never heard of upshaw, so

00:41:25anyway, uh

00:41:26you know bradham has a story about how he came in in the wheelchair and

00:41:30Then uh how he's seen him in the vision and and then how he raised up out of the wheelchair

00:41:36So that was to me

00:41:38The linchpin for me is when that all came together and seeing

00:41:42you know how that was probably faked because

00:41:45Upshaw was very much not using his crutches too much even back in the 20s when he was in congress

00:41:51By that time by you know his injury had gotten healed enough to where he could generally

00:41:56Lightly touch his crutches to the ground and get around pretty good. So

00:42:00That would that one really was the linchpin for me

00:42:03Davis remained in california probably until the 1950s because of that meeting in 51

00:42:08And then of course he moved back to texas

00:42:11And continued to work within the churches. He worked within these organizations

00:42:15He like you said started the original knights of the klu klux klan trying to get that revived

00:42:19And then other white supremacy circles. He was

00:42:22Never never stopped his fight with that. It was all over the southeast in texas, louisiana, florida

00:42:29And then eventually reconnecting with bradham because because bradham mentioned him on tape several times in the 50s and 60s

00:42:35About him even being in the meetings

00:42:37You know and during this time you mentioned wesley swift. He was becoming the chief propagandist for christian identity

00:42:43And swift influenced gerald a.k. smith who became a right-wing political operative

00:42:48And started spreading the doctrines as well

00:42:50But like you said wasn't very successful, but but did make a run for trying to get into government

00:42:56Get into politics so he could have an influence in politics

00:43:00But all this came at the time, you know, the u.s was under fear of communism

00:43:04Uh hitler's rise to power taking over the world

00:43:07Uh, the jewish influence, uh, all of that came together

00:43:11And then and then bradham of course in the 50s starts mentioning his prophecies where he said he saw

00:43:16You know roosevelt rise to power

00:43:19And and bring us into a war and things like that. So it all came, you know, there's another vision. There's another

00:43:26And and as we see as divisions changed over time

00:43:29You know, there's no there's no credibility to it

00:43:31uh

00:43:32you know him saying it was written on a piece of paper and the papers never produced or

00:43:36Him saying the visions were put in the cornerstone of the tabernacle of his church and it was never found

00:43:42So so we see how this was a spearhead of all these things going on today with the nar

00:43:48uh, and and these the the charismatic world the ones that are not true the ones that are making up stories just to

00:43:56Build up their credibility before the audience so they could be some type of great prophet or apostle

00:44:01They've got to come up with some great story to to build their spirituality, you know, because behind the scenes

00:44:07They don't have a lot of spirituality to them

00:44:09You know, how could they when they when they don't live the life, you know, that's

00:44:13The way it's written in the bible the way jesus would want them to live. So here's where it gets weird

00:44:18you've got all of these connections and you know, like I said from a historical standpoint from a

00:44:26Doctrinal standpoint from just simply connecting people and movements

00:44:31This is the epicenter and we could literally spend two whole episodes talking about all of the many connections back into this event

00:44:39But here's where it gets weird. So davis escaped all of the charges upshaw

00:44:45Did he came out so clean that you can't even find him mentioned once it turns into a criminal trial?

00:44:53And in the united states you're innocent until proven guilty and once you go through the court of law

00:44:58It is assumed that you're innocent because the jury of your peers found you to be innocent

00:45:03However, those lines get really really blurred when you consider the fact

00:45:08That in the 40s as they're birthing the clan

00:45:11As all of these people think that the united states government has been overtaken by a jewish conspiracy

00:45:18and judges attorneys

00:45:20Many in the jury pool all of these people

00:45:23are

00:45:24now tainted a tainted jury pool and they're all

00:45:28not all but many were members of the growing and developing clan or christian identity or

00:45:34At minimum adherence to it because this was dominating california at the time

00:45:40So davis escapes almost clean and he actually sued los angeles and he got a large sum of money for it

00:45:48but also at the same time

00:45:51In this area in los angeles, you had the kardashian family

00:45:56which had migrated immigrated into the united states and

00:46:01They were deeply

00:46:03Deeply involved with the early pentecostal movement

00:46:07They believed in prophecy

00:46:09So davis is we can't connect them directly to davis, but there's so many trails that we can we can

00:46:17Point that point out the fact that they had to have been connected

00:46:20Based off of the history that developed after this

00:46:24The kardashian family you mentioned aval kagopian

00:46:28They sponsored aval kagopian to come into the united states

00:46:32They also sponsored

00:46:34Clem davis and promoted his ministry

00:46:38Davies was a clan recruiter from california

00:46:42open white supremacist

00:46:44He worked he was in many of the conferences that wesley swift would have been in

00:46:49And I I think it's gordon lindsay

00:46:51I can place him in a conference with gordon lindsay where lindsay was the speaker a christian identity conference

00:46:58So the kardashian family are sponsoring christian identity people

00:47:02William branham says the same people that sponsored hagopian sponsored my ministry

00:47:07and

00:47:09That for me that raised the biggest question. So here's william branham

00:47:12Who claimed to be this hillbilly nobody from indiana?

00:47:16How in the world did the kardashian family hear his name?

00:47:20Well, they're in los angeles at the same exact time that roy davis and his highly publicized trial

00:47:26Is in los angeles davis is building the clan up

00:47:31and the kardashian patriarch's

00:47:33nephew

00:47:35dima shakarian

00:47:36Starts the full gospel businessmen's association

00:47:39It is the one entity after everyone else

00:47:43Abandoned william branham in the latter years. It is the one single organization that continued to sponsor branham's meeting

00:47:50and you mentioned branham going to all these different countries and how he

00:47:56over-exaggerated all of the revival numbers

00:47:59Well, he branham himself mentioned that he was helping plant fb gmi

00:48:04Organizations in multiple countries. So he's doing this

00:48:08at the same time he's working with people like

00:48:11baron frary von blomberg who is

00:48:14Involved into the cult that's called the family that hosts the national prayer breakfast

00:48:20Which if you think about the government and politics and religion all of that blend of weirdness that's happening

00:48:26All of this is connected and you can trace it all back to this 1944 event where davis is out here

00:48:33Wooing all of the religious the political the christian identity the clan all these various movements

00:48:40and

00:48:41they set the standard for

00:48:43Donating large sums of money to the christian organizations

00:48:48so if you think the word of faith movement you think the

00:48:52You know the prosperity gospel all of this

00:48:55There's only a few different ministries that I can see

00:48:58that

00:48:59Were prior to this that that large of a sum of money was coming in

00:49:04You can go back to ab simpson, which was also he was also tied to all of this through

00:49:10Through various connections that we'll probably get into later

00:49:14He was collecting very very large sums of money and he too kept two sets of accounting records

00:49:20So it seems davis took that same strategy and he

00:49:24Set up his two sets of accounting records one going to the clan

00:49:28one going to this orphanage

00:49:31and now you bring in the kardashian family, which brings the

00:49:35lights camera action entertainment

00:49:38focus and agenda to this thing

00:49:41and

00:49:42Honestly, I can I can look at the patriarchs

00:49:46Eyes lighting up with the dollar signs because this was a good way to bring in money

00:49:51And no matter the cause whether it's christian identity and he agreed with it or not. I'm not going to say he did or didn't

00:49:58If he were just to take a percentage of that money, he would become a very rich man

00:50:03And we see what happened with the kardashian family so we can see that

00:50:07There there was a lot going on here just to say the least

00:50:11Yeah, I would say there's there was so many things coming together and

00:50:14It was just a unique time and and these men

00:50:17Were very skilled in what they were doing. They it's amazing that

00:50:21You had this kind of group that they all had the same

00:50:24uh

00:50:25They come together in a core belief systems

00:50:28And they were all able to work together didn't matter

00:50:30What denomination they were from they because really that was just a front for what they were really wanting to do underneath

00:50:36so I think uh

00:50:38My thoughts here just now was that the conspiracy

00:50:41Was really was was within this group of davis and all all of them working together

00:50:46That's where the real conspiracy was rather than a jewish conspiracy to take over the government

00:50:50so

00:50:51So so they were here pointing trying to point to a conspiracy outside of themselves when they were really conspiring

00:50:57To do all these things within our own government and and it was very very evil at the time

00:51:03Uh, and and these groups were very skilled they knew what they were doing and and and the power of the media

00:51:10And the power of these things and these meetings they were having they were actually creating the world view of people

00:51:15You know the world view that we had in our minds. That's that's why once that's

00:51:20solidified in your mind

00:51:21It is very hard to

00:51:23Disconnect from that because you you tend to believe this is how I see the world

00:51:26And we talked about years ago coming out of the message. We have cognitive dissonance

00:51:31Well, once you've implanted those beliefs into somebody's mind and you have a world view

00:51:36Anything coming against that it's very hard to change your mind

00:51:38So this this world view is being created in the minds of the people, uh, mostly white christians

00:51:44uh the the pentecostal

00:51:46Charismatic world so it's been created by all these things you they've thrown in the jewish conspiracy

00:51:52communism christian identity

00:51:54end of the world and then at that time the flying saucers and we know how gordon lindsay published that to

00:52:01people were just

00:52:02Remaining in fear about what's coming next. And so once you got them under that cloud

00:52:07Of fear then they're looking to their leaders. Well, you're hearing from god. So you're the prophet you're hearing from god

00:52:13Tell us what we need to do

00:52:15You know and that's what's happening today is people are looking to other people to tell them what to do

00:52:20And I guess that's what helped birth the shepherding movement right out of this very thing

00:52:25Uh the shepherding movement and the with the nar with the churches there

00:52:29They they set themselves up in the and what they call the five-fold ministry of apostles and prophets

00:52:34And they're in charge of the church. So they're really in charge of the world view of the people

00:52:39that's a very dangerous thing because

00:52:41You know as you look back to to the days of jim jones and as he came out of this very thing

00:52:46Uh, he set himself up as being the the man

00:52:49So so whatever he said, you know was their world view so he convinced, you know, a thousand people just to take their lives

00:52:56Uh, we see that happen in africa most recently the man that was you know, of course we believe jesus is coming soon

00:53:02But you don't go out and starve yourself

00:53:04And kill yourself just so you can be with jesus. You know, we're supposed to stay on this earth and

00:53:10Be a light to the world until he comes not not to go kill yourself so you can go early

00:53:15You know god holds life and death in his hands not us

00:53:18So so all these things are being birthed from this very movement here because it's very dangerous to give these men power over your mind

00:53:25so so the only thing that uh

00:53:27Christians need to look to is the word of god and and pray to god directly not not to trust any man

00:53:33We shouldn't put our trust in man

00:53:35but

00:53:35It gave these christian identities believers in the latter reign pentecostals

00:53:39A way to make sense of the world and all this coincided with world war world war two

00:53:44End of the world prophecies things that were coming. So they always kept the people guessing, you know

00:53:49The end of the world's coming they always set dates too as we we saw it even in message churches and charles paisley

00:53:55Mentioned this they always would set a date where they felt the rapture was occurring

00:53:58Uh, but it's happened throughout all of the churches that that are into that

00:54:02They they do set dates and then they don't come to pass, but they still remain with their leader

00:54:07uh, so the 1950s had that huge influence there with all these things and they it was all involved to keep the groups wanted to

00:54:14keep the races separate segregated and also the integration of

00:54:19Black people in schools. They they wanted to stop that and have separate schools

00:54:23So even even uh, brandon mentions that on tape a lot of times he'll say it was better

00:54:29You know the woman that actually said I want to keep my children out of the white schools

00:54:33She actually had a good idea. You know, that was his I his idea is that hey, it's better for you to stay separate

00:54:38He seemed to to go along with that

00:54:41And davis led these groups. Uh, one was called the white citizens council. They actually called them citizens councils

00:54:46And that was in dallas, texas and the and it also was involved with the mother's league

00:54:52That was on an fbi document. I found there was a thing called the mother's league and and the mother's league that was uh,

00:54:59A council set up by this mother to be it was an important segregationist organization

00:55:04during the little rock central high school

00:55:07desegregation

00:55:08It was established in 1957

00:55:11uh by a salesman meryl taylor

00:55:13And other members of the capital citizens council, that's one of those white citizens councils

00:55:19Uh to give birth to that and then uh, the league combined traditional segregationists

00:55:25Enthusiasm for the racial status quo state's rights and anti-miscegenation

00:55:30Initiatives and then anti-miscegenation means interracial marriage. They didn't want that. So that was uh

00:55:38Margaret jackson eventually took that over but there's an fbi document

00:55:42That that mentions, you know, margaret jackson and davis being connected

00:55:46And so they use these organizations really to fight integration

00:55:49One thing I came across that was really interesting. I don't know if you've ever heard of this minister

00:55:54But he was in texas dallas, texas the pastor of the first baptist church of west dallas, texas

00:56:00He published a pamphlet

00:56:03Called god the original segregationist

00:56:06He was highly racist, uh pastor in dallas

00:56:10And he published it for after a series of sermons

00:56:13He he compiled them all together and published this pamphlet in 1955

00:56:17And it found a very be very popular amongst the conservative white christians in southern states

00:56:23Who were opposed to the integration?

00:56:25And even the dallas morning news published it an abridged version of the pamphlet in august of 1955

00:56:32And roy davis's councils distributed

00:56:36Amongst their network. So it went throughout all the network

00:56:39And believe it or not, uh, daniel himself

00:56:43Uh

00:56:44Kerry daniel the pastor there

00:56:46He was actually a vice chairman of the dallas chapter of the texas citizens council

00:56:51And of course davis was the president of that

00:56:54And it says here over a 10-year period now this pamphlet sold a million copies

00:57:00Can you imagine a million copies going out amongst the southern states there?

00:57:04And the pamphlet was later published in a collection of sermons

00:57:07so

00:57:09Kerry, daniel had a very widespread, uh influence, uh when he wrote this pamphlet

00:57:14I can't even read it because it would be so hateful to read what's in it, but you can get copies off the internet

00:57:20Uh today, it's very easy to get just do a search

00:57:23but but it's a very highly racist, uh set of uh

00:57:28Sermons that he published and and it's so bad. I couldn't even read what's there but interestingly enough, uh, you know

00:57:35While segregation was going on, you know branham of course was mentioning that in his sermons

00:57:40Uh, he mentions in 1961

00:57:43Up in british columbia. He says yeah come out from among unbelief. This was in may 20th

00:57:49Sermon called from that time. He said separate yourself segregation

00:57:54God is a segregationalist called israel out. He called his people out

00:57:58The very word church means called out now

00:58:00He's a segregationalist god don't want his children mixed up with the world or things of the world

00:58:06but they had the baby just the same so he was uh

00:58:10Not really saying outright overtly that we need to keep the races segregated

00:58:15But he did say that he didn't he was not for interracial marriage. So obviously he was for the principles of segregation

00:58:23While not openly admitting it in his sermons there, but he did mention segregation a lot

00:58:27In 1964 in december in yuma, arizona, he mentioned

00:58:32God the word in the beginning. He was independent from all other everything else all other people

00:58:38I don't mean to say this to be different. God is a segregationalist. You know that you talk about integration

00:58:45God's a segregationalist. He certainly does

00:58:48So, you know even his sermons, you know branham sprinkled in things like that

00:58:52And I think under the scenes, you know people more or less knew what he was talking about because of his serpent seed doctrine

00:58:58And because of his preaching against interracial marriage

00:59:01And because of all the other groups that was associated with him

00:59:05Such as davis's and and the pentecostals that were associated with all the christian identity

00:59:09I think it was very well known what he was really referring to there about being segregated and his his very uh being for

00:59:17You know not integrating the schools

00:59:18I mean by him saying that the woman was right when she said she didn't want to see the schools integrated

00:59:24You know, he was uh, he was definitely not for the integration of schools as well

00:59:28So that's about where we are. You know, this is a hotbed going on. It's a lot of tensions in the nation

00:59:34And now that the war is over

00:59:36And even the korean war that was fought to 1953. It's over

00:59:41So in the mid 50s, you've got a lot of tensions building in america over racial integration

00:59:47You know, I get often asked what does all of this matter because we live in

00:59:522024 and all of this happened, you know, we're talking about things that happened in the 1940s

00:59:57And people say yes that history exists, but that history exists among all of the denominations and you can find

01:00:05bad people among all of them

01:00:07And the irony is that the people who are saying this many of them are either in the branham cult or the nar

01:00:14And so they're they're equating the bad people with you know, william branham and these figures that we're mentioning

01:00:22But all of that aside, it's very important. You have to understand that these leaders in the nar

01:00:28they

01:00:29Obviously see that william branham's pattern that he established

01:00:34And he established established it largely because of the influence of roy davis

01:00:40They want to mimic this they see that it gains power

01:00:44sex and money and that's usually

01:00:47One of the three is how these people are going to fall

01:00:51and I don't know if people have caught it yet or not, but

01:00:54In some of the videos i've been putting out

01:00:57I have identified key figures in the nar who are actually taking branham sermons and copying them

01:01:04Not verbatim but structurally from start to finish and if you examine

01:01:09Their sermon and I can pull up the branham sermon that they're copying it from you can see that they are clearly

01:01:15plagiarizing william branham

01:01:18not realizing that

01:01:20At least one of the same sermons branham was plagiarizing another person

01:01:24And so there's this there's this weird trail of plagiarization that happens

01:01:28So people here today in 2024

01:01:32are plagiarizing william branham and

01:01:35The sermons that they're copying. These are christian identity sermons that include some very very

01:01:40very hateful statements

01:01:43And the answer that I give these people, you know

01:01:47So the people who contact me in the message, they'll say william branham wasn't racist. He had black people in his

01:01:53In his congregations and he spoke highly of black people

01:01:58But he also spoke highly of segregation and he also spoke out of both sides of his mouth

01:02:04And one of his core doctrines came from this white supremacy the serpent seed doctrine

01:02:10It is clearly establishing the notion that people with black skin cannot marry people with white skin

01:02:18Where their offspring cannot go into heaven william branham says for 15 generations they can't

01:02:23Which is a racist thing to say you don't say this if you're not a racist

01:02:28And like you said the influence is long lasting

01:02:32I grew up hearing sermons from ministers

01:02:35who

01:02:36Have congregations that write into me and say yes

01:02:39You're talking about christian identity and a lot of these people may have been connected, but we no longer

01:02:45Discriminate against jews and in the cults today

01:02:49But i've heard sermons from ministers who use the word jew as a verb

01:02:53And it's usually used as a verb about

01:02:57conniving people out of money

01:02:59That's usually what they're using it for. I grew up listening to sermons like this and in my head

01:03:04I've heard so many of those sermons

01:03:07That sometimes if i'm not careful, it will almost slip out of my mouth because it was a verb. I heard

01:03:14Continually not just from ministers, but also from family who are also ministers

01:03:19So this is a very bad thing that they're teaching people and they're continually teaching this today

01:03:25in fact one of the leaders of the nar

01:03:28I did share a video of this and I think i've got the person's face, but

01:03:32He used the term false jew against ruth

01:03:36Ginsburg

01:03:37And the false jew that whole phraseology comes from this christian identity movement

01:03:42It is the notion that a set of false jews have invaded government

01:03:46So, you know, he is clearly identifying himself as a christian identity minister

01:03:51And it's a key figure in the nar you can tie him to multiple churches and multiple

01:03:57Organizations that are spreading this type of hate

01:04:00So I could go on forever. We've got so many connections. They all come back to this epicenter this

01:04:071944 epicenter in los angeles

01:04:10But it grows from here so where we go from here

01:04:14john

01:04:15Honestly, there is not enough

01:04:17there's not enough hard disk space in all of the computers to

01:04:22Contain all the podcasts that we could do off of where this went

01:04:26But in the end if you look at the nar today

01:04:30if you look at the charismatic movement that birthed it look at word of faith look at the

01:04:35you know the

01:04:36Health and wealth gospel and how that transitioned to the prosperity gospel. You get all of these movements that developed

01:04:43right here from

01:04:451944

01:04:46the epicenter of the merging of christian identity religion politics

01:04:52white supremacy

01:04:54And the list goes on

01:04:55So i'm excited for the next episode which we'll get into and hopefully untangle that a bit

01:05:02If you've enjoyed our show and you want more information, you can check us out on the web

01:05:06You can find us at william-brannom.org

01:05:09For more information about roy davis and william brannom

01:05:12You can read the persuasive preacher the gifted prophet and the noble politician

01:05:18For more about the dark side of latter rain read weaponized religion from latter rain to colonia dignidad

01:05:24available on amazon

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