The Jeremy Kyle Show (31 Jan 2017)
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00:10On today's show...
00:14I'm not insane, but I'm insane my daughter!
00:18She's a control freak! She controls everything my daughter's doing!
00:24She's got nothing to do with this!
00:26No, she hasn't! She's not dragging me away from you!
00:29You've never done anything for me!
00:31Why did I get put in care? Because you're going to f*** off with me! Good job!
00:40Hey! Get back here you f***ing pig!
00:47Why would I come outside with you?
00:50I don't want to see if you're a big boy, what are you saying?
00:54Stephen is a lying, money-grabbing, pathetic excuse of a man.
00:58Shut up! Yes! No! Yes!
01:01I'm telling you now, in front of everybody, the bank of mobber, the doors are firmly shut.
01:26Welcome, my friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:28Now, I have to be honest, this first story is incredibly difficult for me and I'll tell you why.
01:32This woman has been on this show before. This woman has been called a bad mother before.
01:37I didn't want to see this woman again, but yet another kid of hers has appeared
01:42and this time she's saying she's being stopped from seeing this daughter.
01:45This is a woman, ladies and gentlemen, I have said many, many times I don't want to see.
01:49However, apparently, according to them upstairs, the only reason she's here
01:52is because I believe that her daughter deserves a chance to get answers from her mother,
01:55not that I'd call her a mother, because as much as it pains me,
01:58Angie is back on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
02:13Right, well, that's a good start. What did she say?
02:15What did she say?
02:16That's for you.
02:17What did she say?
02:18I'm not here for you.
02:19Well, this is my show, so get your backside up.
02:21I don't care about your show.
02:22I swear.
02:25Are you her daughter?
02:26Yes, my daughter.
02:27And who's that?
02:28She's a control freak. She controls everything my daughter's doing.
02:31Right, now, I'll tell you something.
02:33Oh, God, it's mother of the year.
02:35You listen to me now.
02:36Why would I listen to you? You're full of rubbish.
02:38She's stopping my daughter from seeing me.
02:41Really?
02:42Coming up to seeing me.
02:43So you brought this girl up, did you?
02:46This is another daughter.
02:47Hang on, I haven't seen my daughter for so many years.
02:50Why not? Why not? Why didn't you see her?
02:52That's got nothing to do with you, Eddie.
02:54Oh, really?
02:55Take that nose out of me.
02:57Well, get your backside out of my show, then.
02:59No.
03:00Get out of the way.
03:01No.
03:02Get out of the way.
03:03You've still got a message coming from you.
03:05Get out of that stage.
03:07So you're here to meet her, who you haven't seen,
03:10and what's she got to do with it?
03:12Controlling my daughter.
03:13Why not?
03:14Controlling my daughter tonight.
03:15It's up to your daughter.
03:16I'll say yes.
03:17Yeah, she's 18, Clare.
03:18So suddenly you're...
03:20Suddenly you're interested in your daughter, is that right?
03:23Oi!
03:24Why are you only interested now?
03:26Why now?
03:27Go out there and tell me why now, after 17 years.
03:30Why are you only interested now?
03:32What is she...?
03:33CHEERING
03:38This is not the first time that you've been here saying,
03:42I haven't seen my kids.
03:43Why didn't you bring her up, then?
03:45Because she was taken off me, all right?
03:47Why?
03:48Tell me why.
03:49No, I won't.
03:50Tell me.
03:51Tell me.
03:52Why not?
03:54Why didn't you see her?
03:55Cos she was taken into care.
03:56Right, what age was she?
03:57She was a year old.
03:58I'd taken her first steps when she was a year old.
04:01She's now...
04:0218.
04:0318?
04:04Yeah.
04:05When did you get back in contact with her?
04:07Last I saw her, got in contact with her,
04:09found out she was working.
04:10I went in there for Thanksgiving.
04:12Did you go and see her?
04:13I asked if she worked there, and I spoke to her.
04:15You went in?
04:16Did you order a burger?
04:17Yeah.
04:18I don't know why I said that.
04:19When you went in and you saw her, what happened?
04:21The manager got her down, put a call out for her.
04:23Sorry?
04:24She came down to see me.
04:25And you said what to her?
04:27Well, I gave her a cuddle and everything else.
04:29I told her I was like my mum.
04:31Did you try, in the last 17 years, to see her or not?
04:35I tried fighting for a call to get her back.
04:37But you had no luck?
04:38No.
04:39So there you are in McDonald's, nice setting,
04:41and she comes down and you tell her I'm your mum.
04:43What happens next?
04:45We just stood there talking.
04:47So why are you here?
04:48Because it was all good.
04:49It was all good.
04:50So what happened?
04:51Clare batted in.
04:52Who's Clare?
04:53Her friend next door.
04:54So her friend...
04:55She's...
04:5618 years old.
04:57Let her do her...
04:58It's got nothing to do with Clare, so back off!
05:00No, all right, I'll tell you straight now.
05:02Mary moved in with Clare, everything changed.
05:04She stopped answering my calls, she wouldn't text back.
05:07I thought Clare was your mate.
05:08She was my mate.
05:09So she's jumped into your shoes after 18 years,
05:12which wasn't your fault, apparently,
05:15and she's now controlling your daughter.
05:17Yeah.
05:18I'm not, I'm letting her do what she wants.
05:20Stopping you making a relationship with your daughter.
05:22I thought we were close, mostly.
05:24Why would she do that?
05:26Because she don't like my daughter.
05:28She don't like my daughter staying with me.
05:31So you think that this woman, if she wasn't around,
05:34your relationship with your daughter would be better, yeah?
05:36Yeah.
05:37Yeah.
05:38Maybe other people think you're only interested in yourself.
05:40Clare's on the Jeremy Carl show, that way.
05:51You had a lot to say backstage,
05:52and then you walk out with your head down.
05:54What's the truth here?
05:55I'm not taking her daughter away, it's up to her daughter.
05:57She's 17, 18 years old, and she hasn't even been there,
06:00and I've brought so many clothes for her,
06:02and, yeah, she's staying at mine,
06:04because she's having trouble at the moment.
06:06Yes, you are, Clare, don't lie.
06:08Oh, Zim, you'll know Glenn, he's back her lover,
06:10he's a nightmare as well.
06:12I haven't seen her for 17 years.
06:13I'm not stopping her, it's up to her.
06:15Why are you stopping her from seeing her daughter?
06:17She wants to see her daughter.
06:18I'm not stopping her, it's up to her.
06:20Every time I phone her, Clare, or text her,
06:23you're getting her not to answer her phone.
06:25No, I'm not. Maybe she has her own opinion.
06:27It's her choice at the end of the day.
06:29At the end of the day, Clare,
06:30she hasn't even told me and Glenn that she wants to see me and Glenn.
06:34It's up to her at the end of the day.
06:35I thought he was her stepdad.
06:36He is her stepdad.
06:37God, she's going to be so gutted.
06:39What sort of mother is she?
06:41Jeremy's been there for the kids.
06:43At all?
06:44No.
06:45And you don't think your daughter would have an opinion?
06:47Let's just get Mary on the Jeremy Carr Show.
06:49Get this chair out of here.
06:50CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
06:53She's got nothing to do with this!
06:55Yes, she has.
06:56No, she hasn't!
06:57She's not dragging me away from you!
06:59Yes, she is!
07:00It's your own fault!
07:01I tried texting you, phoning you.
07:03It's your own fault!
07:04She's always in a bloody background!
07:06No, it's your own fault!
07:07Putting her phone down on me!
07:08You never did anything for me!
07:10Why did I get put in care?
07:12Because you could have asked me, could you?
07:15What's that got to do with me?
07:17I don't care!
07:19What's that got to do with me?
07:21I don't care!
07:22You were never there for me!
07:24You will never be my mum!
07:26I will always be your mum.
07:27No, you won't!
07:28I don't want you to be my mum!
07:29She's not a mother to you!
07:31You will never be!
07:33Right, hold on a minute.
07:34Sit down, Mary.
07:35Welcome to the show.
07:36So, all of your kids were taken from you.
07:38We can't tell you...
07:39Rachel!
07:41Were you physically abusive to your children?
07:43No, I weren't.
07:44You are, without any shadow of a doubt,
07:46the worst example of a parent that has ever graced this stage.
07:49CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
07:51It's not about Claire, and it's not about me.
07:54It's about a girl.
07:56Get out!
07:58You asked me...
08:00Get back in your pen!
08:02You asked me...
08:03Get back in your pen!
08:04Shut up!
08:05Go, go, go, go!
08:07Get out!
08:08I don't want to see you!
08:09Get out!
08:10You asked me to have your name.
08:11I'm going to go to a break.
08:12Back in a minute.
08:13Don't go anywhere.
08:14Thanks!
08:15What?!
08:16What?!
08:17No, I don't have to sit next to you, actually.
08:19LAUGHTER
08:21Are you proud that he's your father?
08:23No.
08:24Was he abusive to you?
08:26Yes.
08:27How?
08:28He hit me with a baseball bat.
08:30CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
08:32How about five?
08:33How about the eight of you?
08:34Three more.
08:35CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
08:37LAUGHTER
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09:09CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
09:17What are you out for? Why are you out?
09:19Something to do with you?
09:20No.
09:21Oh, do you need him to hold his hand?
09:23Get off the stage. It's about her and her...
09:25Why?
09:26She asked me. She's not even married to you.
09:28She asked me. She asked me.
09:31She asked me to help her.
09:33CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
09:36Get off! Get off!
09:40Why would I come outside with you?
09:42Because he's a big boy, he's...
09:44I don't want to see if you're a big boy, what are you saying?
09:48When you first got into contact with her
09:50at the romantic setting of a McDonald's, what happened?
09:54Because from that moment she says, I'm right,
09:57she, apparently the devil incarnate, has come between you.
10:00What's the truth?
10:01Basically, when I saw... Shut up!
10:04You made it, did I?
10:07One of my many insults could have thrown at me in five minutes.
10:10What did you say? You would.
10:11No, I didn't, otherwise I wouldn't say, what did you say?
10:14I tried to talk to you about Mary.
10:16It's not about you, it's about them.
10:18Mary won his own surname in my name.
10:20Well, God knows why. Let them do it, OK?
10:22It's not about you, shut up, sit down, be quiet.
10:25No, I won't. Yes, you will.
10:27No, I won't. Yes, you will.
10:28No, I won't. Yes, you will.
10:30Sit down. It's about her.
10:31Yeah, and she asked me to have a word with her.
10:33Sit down until you're asked to come out.
10:35She asked me to have her name.
10:37Sit down until you're asked to come out.
10:39No. There's nothing to do with him.
10:41Mary, I'm trying to...
10:43It's about you and your daughter, not him.
10:45You asked me... Isn't it?
10:47Sit down now and talk to me.
10:49CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
11:01Go on, go on, you do it, I'm going to sit here.
11:09What? What?
11:10No, I don't have to sit next to you, actually.
11:16Right, seriously, Mary, on a serious note,
11:19when you met her in McDonald's, what went on from there?
11:23Talk to her.
11:25Basically, when I met you in McDonald's...
11:28McDonald's, when I was working, right?
11:31I never knew her.
11:33I never knew Claire then.
11:36The only time I've known Claire is since two months ago.
11:40Is Claire stopping you seeing or having a relationship with your mother?
11:44No. Why are you here today?
11:46To tell my mum to...about my life.
11:49CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
11:54But when you first met her, it was better, yeah?
11:57No.
11:58She said that you embraced, it was fine.
12:00I spoke to her. Yeah.
12:02But as soon as I stopped speaking to her, I went out...
12:05Why did you stop speaking to her?
12:07Because I was on my lunch break at the time when she came into McDonald's.
12:10Brilliant. Great answer.
12:12And I basically went out the back to my managers and said,
12:15my mum's here, I don't want to speak to her,
12:17can you get rid of her, please?
12:19Come on, Ananj. You know what, that's a load of...
12:22When I was out back watching you and you left...
12:25What about the times you come up to Glen's mother's house...
12:28Anjie, let's do it differently.
12:30..and you had a love song with me and we went out clubbing.
12:33Anjie! Answer that one. You shut up for a minute.
12:36CHEERING
12:38I was getting to know you.
12:40You went clubbing?
12:42Yeah, me and Mary went together.
12:44Right, let's do it differently.
12:46The thought of that's quite amusing. You didn't take Glen with you, did you?
12:49Yeah, we did.
12:51Today might be the only opportunity you have to talk to your dad.
12:54Today might be the only opportunity you have to talk to your daughter.
12:57It's not about me, it's not about Claire, it's not about Glen,
13:00it's about you and your kid.
13:02She says that she has major issues with you,
13:04so instead of shouting from the rooftops,
13:06why don't you try and deal with those?
13:08Because I don't think you're going to get another chance.
13:11Talk to each other. Go on, have a go.
13:13Does that make sense to you or not?
13:15Talk to your daughter.
13:17Right, I want a relationship with you, yeah?
13:20But that's the thing... And I want to see you a bit more.
13:24Mum, listen to me.
13:26You're blaming Claire for controlling my life.
13:29Listen to her, Angie.
13:31You're blaming my boyfriend for giving me black eyes and bruises.
13:35There's no bruises on me.
13:37Hang on, this has got nothing to do with you. Keep out of it for a minute.
13:40That's absolutely true. Well done, Angie, I completely agree with you.
13:43This is between me and my daughter.
13:45I was told by people.
13:47It's not about what people say.
13:49I don't have any bruises on me. You can't see any bruises.
13:52Glenn, try FaceTiming you.
13:54You wouldn't show your face on Facebook. We wanted to talk to you.
13:57Forget Glenn, forget that. What do you want to say to her today?
14:00I just told her I want a relationship with my daughter.
14:03Have you apologised for the last 17 years?
14:06I apologised ages ago.
14:08Did you physically abuse her, yes or no?
14:11No. Why was she taken away, Angie?
14:13I just told you why, Jay. No, you didn't. I'm not called Jay.
14:16Whatever.
14:19Maty Boyd, Glenn, why is he here?
14:22What? Why is he here? Cos he's here with me. Is that a problem?
14:25Are you married to him? Yeah, I am. Glenn's back on the Jeremy Carl Show.
14:36Right, gentlemen, we went to a nightclub, me and Angie.
14:39Sorry? Me, Angie, Mary went to a nightclub.
14:43Mary come up to me, she turned round and said to me,
14:46how would you feel if I had your name, your surname?
14:49So you never met her and she went to a nightclub with you
14:52and didn't say, I'll have a drink, she said, I like your name.
14:55I didn't say that. I never said that, though.
14:58Talk to her, not me. I never said that.
15:01I never said that because she asked me what would I think of having your surname.
15:06Yeah, and then you asked me.
15:08She told me to ask you. You asked me.
15:10Yeah, because she told me to.
15:12And guess what?
15:14I'm not changing my name on depot to your name.
15:17Do you think your wife or your missus could do more to have made the relationship better?
15:21Instead of blaming everybody else?
15:23Says on the records that she was physically abusive, this girl still met with her.
15:26Why isn't your missus shouting from the rooftops?
15:29Why isn't she saying, I'm sorry I haven't been around, I want to make this better?
15:33But all you do is shout. But the thing is, though, Ginger, right,
15:36at the end of the day, she comes...
15:38Mary stayed at my mum's house for two days, yeah?
15:42Now, she didn't want nothing to do with her mum. Why did she say that?
15:45All right, let me do this a bit strangely, all right?
15:47Look at me. As a stepfather, has he been of any help?
15:50Because she kept shouting, he's your stepfather!
15:53He's your stepfather. Is he any sort of father?
15:56Cos you're a good dad, aren't you, Glenn?
15:58Mm. How many kids have you got?
16:00I've got five. You see them?
16:02Er, I see one of them at the moment, but I'm trying to make some season way.
16:05Do you see Kia? Do you see Kia?
16:07I tried to make on with her...
16:09I tried to make contact with her last year.
16:11Strangely, your daughter Kia says,
16:13I'm talking, you're the lousiest father in the world.
16:16Kia's on the Jeremy Carl Show, that way.
16:28Kia, welcome to the show.
16:29He shouts as if the rest of the world is a nightmare.
16:32What's your story, darling?
16:34Well, he ain't been there for me for my whole life.
16:37How old are you? 18.
16:40The reason why I ain't been there for you...
16:42Reason why I ain't been there, Kia, you know reason why,
16:45because you was being Kia.
16:46Why was she in care, then? Were you physically abusive as well,
16:49like your partner? Why did you two suit each other?
16:51I didn't put my children in care.
16:53Why didn't you take them out and look after them and bring them up, then?
16:56APPLAUSE
16:58I went to the court and I went through all the court process.
17:01I see that there's a common denominator here.
17:03You can shout all you want and you can shout,
17:06but the reality of what you do is there are young kids, 17, 18, 19,
17:11who are in care, who don't see their parents,
17:14and come out with a view.
17:16It's not about Claire, it's not about me.
17:18You can insult me as much as you want.
17:20Look in the mirror, look at this girl.
17:22I know, she's my daughter, and I love her to death.
17:24I wouldn't do nothing to her.
17:26The thing is, I love her. I've been trying to get in contact with her.
17:29I've even sent letters to social services trying to get in touch.
17:32They won't get in contact with me.
17:34Why did you come here today? Speak up, darling.
17:36Because I want him to get out of my life.
17:39You don't want him in your life either? No.
17:41Why?
17:42He's not been there, and...
17:44Are you proud that he's your father? No.
17:47That's a kill. That's a kill. I don't want to know no-one.
17:50Oh, well, there you go, another flout.
17:52What a great dad you are. You should be on your hands and knees saying,
17:55-"Sorry I wasn't around." -"No, you haven't."
17:57APPLAUSE
17:59What else can I do? I've been there for you.
18:01I've been to the social services now. I've done everything to you.
18:04Why are you shouting? I've been there.
18:06I'm not shouting at you. Stop shouting at me.
18:08I've been there for you. I have. I love you to the heart.
18:11I'd do anything for you. You love yourself.
18:13You're an idiot, Dad. Face up to it.
18:15It's not...
18:17APPLAUSE
18:19I've got messages. Wait, shut up a minute.
18:21Kia, was he abusive to you?
18:23Yes.
18:24How?
18:25He hit me with a baseball bat.
18:27No, that was...
18:28It was you.
18:30Is that why you went into care?
18:32Yes. No, it wasn't.
18:33Then sit down.
18:34You miss what Mary said. You two are absolutely...
18:36You're absolutely tailor-made, you and your...
18:38No, it wasn't. Oi!
18:40Tailor-made, you and your...
18:42Come to the face and do it.
18:43Why would I do that? What are you going to do?
18:45What are you going to do? Are you going to threaten me now?
18:48Mary, Mary, what do you want from this lady?
18:50Nothing.
18:52What do you want from your dad?
18:54Nothing.
18:55Right, I'm going to say this, and if anybody in the production department
18:59I mean this, I've had it, OK?
19:01I swear on my life I resign if you have these two awful human beings
19:04ever again. Do me a favour.
19:05She's right, I can't use the word again.
19:07Worst example of a mother, worst example of a father,
19:10you suit each other.
19:11Get the hell out of Manchester, do one.
19:13I'm not interested.
19:14Go on, go on.
19:16CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
19:18How about five?
19:19No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
19:21CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
19:24You know what a big man is? You're a little man, yeah?
19:27I'm a little man? Yeah.
19:28I'll wait for you outside.
19:29You're going to wait for me outside?
19:31CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
19:47Oh, shut up!
19:49This is the reality, isn't it?
19:51I told my team I'm embarrassed that anybody like that
19:53would even be my father.
19:54Right, so we sit here every day and people say they want to do this,
19:56they want to do that, they want to do the other.
19:58One thing I think both of you would agree with,
20:00you can get to a point in life where you chase things that don't matter.
20:04Get on with your own life.
20:06Oh, he's now gone in... Oh, he's just gone the wrong way.
20:08At the end of the day, you can carry on in life thinking,
20:11I'm going to confront these people, you're not going to get answers.
20:14We did this for you, not them, you're better off without them.
20:17You'll be mates, right? Yeah. OK?
20:19I know how difficult this was and I really appreciate it.
20:21We'll ask you both to go that way. Give them a round of applause.
20:23Thank you for coming.
20:24CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
20:30We feel sorry for those girls who think those are their parents,
20:32but at the end of the day, they make a decision
20:34and they move on after the break.
20:36A woman here, whose identical twin sister is selling her body
20:39in prostitution to pay for her own.
20:41We're right back, don't go anywhere.
20:43Identical twin sister is selling her body for sex, for drugs.
20:46How does that sit with you?
20:48I can't imagine it.
20:49Look at mum, look at all grief you'll give me
20:51when I lock Gemma in the house.
20:53She'll phone the police on me.
20:57Stephen, it's a lying, money-grabbing, pathetic excuse of a man.
21:00Shut up! Yes! No! Yes!
21:03I'm telling you now, in front of everybody,
21:05the bank of mother, the door is now firmly shut.
21:12CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
21:18Welcome back. My next guest today, Jade, is here,
21:21looking for help for identical twin sister Gemma.
21:23Now, Jade says that over the last few years,
21:25she has seen her sister become more and more addicted to crack and heroin,
21:28to the point where now Gemma is actually selling her body
21:31on the streets to feed her habit.
21:33Jade says that every day she waits for the call
21:35that tells her that her sister is dead, and today she says
21:37this really is her last chance.
21:39She needs to accept it and deal with it.
21:41Concerned sister Jade on the Jeremy Carl show, that way.
21:44CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
21:52I know.
21:55And your identical twin sister.
21:58You couldn't be more different, to be fair, and I say that for a reason.
22:02Gemma has had untold problems over the last few years.
22:06Sit back and relax.
22:08She's been here before because people were concerned,
22:11and at that moment in time, we're going to see a clip.
22:14She was all right, she was doing good.
22:16Take a look at this, this is the last time your sister Gemma was on the show.
22:20I've come off it myself.
22:22Not really, you were on it three weeks ago.
22:24None of my family's helped me.
22:26Gemma, I have helped you. I have, I've been there for you.
22:29How much support have you given me, then?
22:31How much support? Gemma, you went missing.
22:34Today's about the truth, right? It is.
22:37I'm not on no drugs, I want my life moving forward.
22:40You were on drugs three weeks ago, you relapsed, what did you take?
22:43I relapsed, heroin, yeah. What did you take?
22:47I'm crying out for help and love and support.
22:49You are, you absolutely are. I'm sorry, I get that.
22:51I'm really impressed with the girl.
22:53You absolutely are, and I'll go back to what we said before,
22:56and that is that it is important.
22:58Part of your recovery...
23:00I don't know where to go from here now, Graham.
23:02If I can't communicate with my mum now,
23:04and get on as a normal life, then I'm going to have to suffer it myself.
23:08Apart from that relapse, which isn't great,
23:11how long had you given up drugs for?
23:13Since 2011.
23:15Right, so she's proven, hasn't she, Dee, that she can do that?
23:18There's been one relapse.
23:19You know what you need to do with this man and this lady
23:22is put what you know into practice, and not relapse again.
23:26You've done it for three years, you have it.
23:30Three years, one relapse, did all that,
23:32offered her everything on this show,
23:34offered her counselling, offered her all sorts of stuff,
23:36didn't bother to turn up, life's now back in the toilet.
23:39Tell her how bad it is, come on.
23:42I'm phoning police every day.
23:44I'm having nightmares.
23:46She's selling her body for cocaine and heroin,
23:48ladies and gentlemen, on the streets, right?
23:50My partner, his friends,
23:52are seeing her in the street at quarter past five in the morning,
23:55which is embarrassing for me.
23:56How does that feel, honestly?
23:58Identical twin sister is selling her body for sex, for drugs.
24:01How does that sit with you?
24:03I can't imagine it.
24:05I can't imagine what person's going to...
24:07Why should this show help again, though?
24:09At the end of the day, and a lot of people in the meeting this morning
24:12said to me, that's a bit harsh.
24:13We've tried to help her once and she told us where to go.
24:15Why am I doing it again? Why should I do it again?
24:17Cos she's at rock bottom and I need you to help her.
24:19Why? I can't help her unless she wants to help herself.
24:22Do you not get... Have you got through to her?
24:24She's accepting it all.
24:26I mean, the stupid thing about this girl is she's done it once
24:30and now she's in a worse position than ever
24:32and the biggest frustration about this show is we have, you know,
24:35some amazing agencies and people that will help us
24:37and look back in our faces. I'm like, why should I bother?
24:39I want your mum out here as well first, actually, before Gemma,
24:42because your mum...
24:43My mum doesn't admit to everything. My mum has not given up.
24:46Well, maybe you need to get your mum to help.
24:48Let's get the mum, Vicky, on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
24:50Give her a round of applause.
25:02Love you.
25:03What did you say before your mum came out?
25:05Because today's about honesty. Welcome back.
25:07You don't support her.
25:08Mum, look at all the grief you gave me when I locked Gemma in the house.
25:11I made her do a rattle. She phoned the police on me.
25:14When she agreed to do it and when we all were supporting her...
25:17I still came for five days, Jade. I came for five days.
25:20You came for five days and then soon as Gemma went off the rails,
25:23he's straight at me.
25:24How do you feel that your daughter's selling her body for sex for drugs?
25:27It's disgusting. Do you blame yourself? No, I don't blame myself.
25:30You weren't there when she was growing up, were you? Yes, I were.
25:33You were very rude. I wasn't, right?
25:35How can I communicate with my family?
25:37If you want my help, I might be a bit rude, love,
25:39because I shouldn't be doing this, you should be doing this.
25:42OK? Hold on a second.
25:44You might not like this, but if you'd sorted your own daughter out
25:47and hadn't left it to everybody else, you wouldn't be on this show.
25:50I haven't left it to everybody else.
25:52You wouldn't be on the streets if you'd been a better mother.
25:55I haven't left it to everybody else.
25:57Why would I help you? I love all my children.
25:59Then you should be bloody well out here proving it.
26:01You should be on your knees to me saying,
26:03I'm going to convince you to help your daughter.
26:05I am here. Pass the buck like you did.
26:07She went into care. This is the second time.
26:09Why was she in care? Why was she in care?
26:11Yeah, cos you weren't around.
26:13No, I was there all the time, actually.
26:15Do you not understand what I'm saying?
26:17My son's going to come out next and he'll tell you that.
26:19All right, well, get him out. Get Luke on the Jeremy Carr show and get him out.
26:23CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
26:31This girl is a mess and you're out here having a go at me.
26:34I'm a mess. Really? I'm a mess.
26:36What have you done for her? What have I done for her? I love them all.
26:39What have you done for your daughter? We all tried to stick together.
26:42We've all gone looking around for her.
26:4415 years I've run around after my daughters,
26:46even when they were all going round in pubs,
26:48when they were about 15 and 14-year-old.
26:50Why should I give her help today, Luke?
26:52Did you think that I shoved my kids in care?
26:54She needs to take some. No, I didn't.
26:56I didn't shove them in care. What about last time when we offered her counselling?
27:00What about last time when we offered her help and she threw it back in my face?
27:02Why would I do it again? She didn't take the help last time.
27:04Why would she take it this time? Because she really needed Jemma.
27:07But how? Why? She needs to be off the street.
27:10Does she know that? Yes, she does.
27:12Have you ever told her that as a mother?
27:14I've told Jemma that, yeah.
27:16Yeah, my mum has been good for the last few months.
27:20You told me, and this is important for this story,
27:22that your mum could do things differently.
27:24You've said the same. Talk to each other.
27:26What could your mum do differently? Tell her.
27:28She needs to take her in. She needs to take some responsibility.
27:31I've always got to take her in.
27:33Do you know what's amazing about this girl?
27:35And I said this this morning. This is your twin sister.
27:37This is your daughter. This is your sister.
27:39We have people on this show, don't take this the wrong way,
27:41who look absolutely like they're on it the whole time.
27:44The scary thing about this girl is she doesn't...
27:46I am on it the whole time.
27:48No, I'm talking about the drugs. I'm not talking about you.
27:50I'm talking about her. She doesn't look like...
27:52But the reality is that your daughter is on the streets
27:54in any situation selling her body.
27:56What do you see when you look at your daughter there?
27:58What do you see? That's her front.
28:00We see... You are seeing different to what we see every day.
28:04When she's around us...
28:06Gemma, when she's on the streets...
28:08The way she stands up, she's weak on her knees.
28:10She's weak on her knees, she can't walk.
28:12And...
28:16Gemma... Why can nobody get through to her?
28:18Cos she doesn't miss it.
28:20She doesn't miss it. She looks into me, she looks into Jade.
28:23We have only just got through to her now.
28:25No, she's coming. We've only just got through to her.
28:27Whose idea to come back here?
28:29Gemma's and Luke's.
28:31They were my idea. Why Luke?
28:33She needs a rehab, Jeremy.
28:35I offered to help last time and it was thrown back in my face.
28:37How many people watch this who want help? Why should I help her?
28:39Because she's going to die.
28:41Because she actually wants it.
28:43But she wants to die or she wants help?
28:45No, she wants the help.
28:47Look, twin little girls.
28:49Beautiful.
28:51I'm not blaming you.
28:53You are, Jeremy. You are blaming me.
28:55I'm a good mum.
28:57What people are trying to say is, right,
28:59instead of Gemma living at mine all the time
29:01when you know I'm trying to do what I'm doing...
29:03I can't handle it. I'm frightened, Jade.
29:05Right, stop. What did you say?
29:07None of us know what to do.
29:09OK, now that's the most honest thing
29:11and I'll be honest back.
29:13But do you understand from your daughter's point of view
29:15and your son's, as the mother,
29:17you might be terrified and you might be scared
29:19but actually the onus is on you. Of course you're terrified.
29:21It's the most honest thing you'll say all day.
29:23I completely get that.
29:25Now, here's the thing, right?
29:27You look at that picture and then you see this girl
29:29and my biggest frustration,
29:31and I promise you this,
29:33out of this whole show are these moments.
29:35Because I'll go and see her and she'll say,
29:37I want your help, and then I'll be driving back home
29:39with Graham in a week or a month and she'll say that girl left.
29:41Not so much as a backward glance or a thank you.
29:43I don't want to think about her, I'll think about you lot.
29:45Because of what we've done. A waste of time.
29:47I don't think it's going to be a waste of time, Jeremy.
29:49She will do it.
29:51She will do it. And I'm not leaving here until she does it.
29:53Really?
29:55Stay there a sec.
30:01Why?
30:03Not happy. Really not happy.
30:05No, you're not.
30:07No, but you're going to do exactly that.
30:09Graham, the team offered you all that help,
30:11throw him back in my face.
30:13Do you know how much work these people do?
30:15Why would I help you? I can't help myself.
30:17So you're selling your body for sex, are you?
30:19Because I've needed that for drugs, Jeremy.
30:21When was the last time you prostituted yourself?
30:23A couple of nights ago and I know it's not to be proud of,
30:25but I've needed the drugs then.
30:27So you go out, what, you stand on a street corner,
30:29you know people, what?
30:31I just go out and wait till I get picked up and get my money
30:33and do what I do. How much? What for?
30:35£60 for everything.
30:37Safe sex? Safe sex.
30:39In a car? In a car or an house.
30:43But this is why my life needs to change.
30:45For me and my family. You said this last time.
30:47I know.
30:49But I'm here to prove it to you.
30:51And I'm not leaving this stage till I get it.
30:53It just worries me.
30:55It worries me that people
30:57imagine they can now just turn up here
30:59and I'm being completely honest and get help
31:01without actually meaning
31:03that they want to do...
31:05I don't know, I just... You know what I mean, don't you?
31:07It's difficult for us.
31:09There's only so much.
31:11What, because you've decided of a day
31:13that you're going to arrive and go,
31:15my life's in the toilet?
31:17I haven't decided it, I've known it for months and months.
31:19I know I've hit rock bottom
31:21and I need it.
31:23And it's up to you to give me that chance.
31:25Right, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
31:27We're going to talk to your family
31:29because they're just here, but...
31:31I just want you
31:33to understand
31:35the severity of it.
31:37Not just for five minutes today.
31:39And I don't care if anybody doesn't like me
31:41saying this, I am not going to give this stuff out
31:43willy-nilly anymore to people
31:45who think that in ten minutes they can turn on the waterworks.
31:47You are going to be in a terribly dangerous position
31:49and that should be every reason
31:51in the world to give up this lifestyle.
31:53Do you understand me?
31:55It is and that's why I'm here.
31:57Talk to your family, come on.
31:59Did you ring the show or did they?
32:01They did.
32:03Was it your idea
32:05or was it Luke's?
32:07Luke's.
32:12Listen to me.
32:14Sometimes with these sorts of stories
32:16I don't actually want to be as hard as I have to be.
32:18There is a car out there.
32:20There is. Yeah? Oh, good old Jeremy
32:22will get me a car.
32:24But I am utterly not convinced.
32:26So with them, you, I have to be convinced.
32:28Because I can give this to anybody.
32:30I know you can.
32:32Go and convince them, talk to them, deal with this.
32:34Not just as a front.
32:36As something that you mean.
32:38It's too easy. It's too easy now.
32:40There's a car, there's Graham, there's a rehab.
32:42Oh, it's fine. And he'll tell me in a week
32:44that you've thrown it back.
32:46Promise, I want this.
32:48Just do it, Jeremy. Just do it.
32:50You better stick to it, Jeremy, I swear to God.
32:52I'm going to throw it.
32:54Tell her not to be scared.
32:56Of course she's going to be scared. It'll be terrifying.
32:58Your mum... You'll be all right.
33:00Your mum said the truest thing on the stage.
33:02She doesn't know how to deal with you anymore.
33:04You'll be all right.
33:06Do it.
33:08Do it.
33:10Don't mean that badly.
33:12Don't let me down. I've got my sister back.
33:14I'm not a stranger.
33:16Tell your sister what you need.
33:18Tell her how bad it is. Tell her how scary it is.
33:20She knows what I need.
33:22Don't you?
33:24I need my sister back. My twin.
33:26My mum, what we're so close.
33:30Don't do that.
33:32Keep coming home. Get me a job.
33:34Have a life what I've got.
33:36Have a normal life, Jemma.
33:38It's not normal what you're doing.
33:40You're putting everybody through hell.
33:42Tell them the truth.
33:44You've never stopped using.
33:46I have for a bit.
33:48What period of time is that?
33:50A month.
33:52From being a yawn, a couple of days.
33:54A couple of days.
33:56That's you being honest now.
33:58You've been telling your family
34:00that you stopped using and this is a relapse.
34:02They absolutely know
34:04that you never did stop using.
34:06So until I...
34:08So you lied to me, yeah?
34:10Last time.
34:12Not when I come on the show.
34:14I didn't then.
34:16When's the last time you took drugs?
34:18This morning.
34:20What's today?
34:22Because I needed it.
34:24Here's the thing
34:26that others might say
34:28or they might not.
34:30If you get into that car
34:32you have an opportunity to have everything
34:34that they talked about
34:36and a lifestyle that you could probably only dream about
34:38and I'm pretty sure that within a day or two
34:40the pressure of coming off it
34:42or the routine is going to make you run.
34:44If you do...
34:46She won't have a family if she does.
34:48And she knows that.
34:50I'm not going to run for you anyway.
34:52This is what you're saying
34:54that she doesn't do.
34:56If you do not do it,
34:58I told you last night, Jemma,
35:00you have got a little Tyson at home
35:02what I'm looking after,
35:04your little puppy, what I got you
35:06because I thought you were being good.
35:08Think about your kids.
35:10Forget me,
35:12more him.
35:14You will never ever on your life
35:16get a better chance than today
35:18and I think, Graham, that's why it frustrates me
35:20when we're driving home and you'll say somebody's walked off
35:22because out there you ain't going to get this.
35:24But you can have this.
35:26Graham, what are we giving her?
35:28You're going to Bournemouth, you're going to the Providence Project,
35:30residential rehab
35:32and it will be tailor-made to meet your needs
35:34and you need to work hard at this
35:36and the most important thing you have to work at
35:38is relapse prevention.
35:40We do not want you back in the position
35:42that you are today.
35:44How long for?
35:46It's going to be three months, OK?
35:48You've got three months to sort your life out
35:50but I'm really serious here.
35:52It's about relapse prevention, OK?
35:54Giving up the drugs will be easy.
35:56They'll make sure that you don't go through
35:58any physical withdrawal symptom.
36:00Then the work starts, OK?
36:02You'll do group therapy, you'll do personal therapy.
36:04On the back of that,
36:06you must work hard at relapse prevention
36:08because you do not want to revisit this place
36:10and your family, more importantly,
36:12don't want to watch you revisit this place.
36:14Can I ask you a question?
36:1612 weeks, right?
36:1884 days.
36:20You don't know where to handle that, do you?
36:22I am, yeah.
36:24It's the most horrible graft.
36:26A quarter of a year.
36:28And then, as she said, to come out and go,
36:30I've got a life, please,
36:32not do it for me, but I get so upset
36:34because I know how difficult it is to get these things.
36:36And I'm warning you now,
36:38and I'm going to say this on camera,
36:40if you let me down, I will come.
36:42Do it for these people or do it for yourself.
36:44Say goodbye to your family.
36:46You've convinced me we can go.
36:48Thank you very much indeed.
36:50Do it.
36:52Do what you want.
36:54Do what you feel.
36:58I will.
37:00Thanks, Nigel.
37:02Good luck. Thank you very much indeed.
37:04Go.
37:06We want, obviously,
37:08to prevent any relapse here,
37:10so what we've got to work out
37:12with the family is
37:14how we change her social circumstances
37:16for when she's discharged.
37:18Listen, I've got to go to a break very quickly,
37:20but it is massively, massively important
37:22that you stay strong.
37:24I know it's easy to say,
37:26but if she shows signs of it,
37:28you've got to just absolutely,
37:30to the point where she'll probably hate you.
37:32These three months are very important.
37:34We'll let you stay. We're going to a break.
37:36Back next, give them a round of applause.
37:38Thank you, guys.
37:40Stephen, it's a lying, money-grabbing,
37:42pathetic excuse of a man.
37:44A shout-out. Yes.
37:46I'm telling you now, in front of everybody,
37:48I'm telling you now.
37:50CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
37:56A very warm welcome back.
37:58Carol says she's had just about enough of her son, Stephen.
38:00She says that he is always on the lookout for money
38:02and even meets women online
38:04just so that they can look after him and feed him.
38:06She says she's sick of his childish ways
38:08and after today, if he can't grow up,
38:10she says, do you know what? Frankly, I've had enough.
38:12He's a lazy good-for-nothing and he needs a kick up the backside.
38:14I like this woman.
38:16She's on the Jeremy Carve Show That Way.
38:18CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
38:32You all right? Yes, thanks.
38:34Why do I get the distinct impression you mean business?
38:36Sit down, lovely.
38:38I've just had enough. Have you?
38:40Welcome to the show.
38:42He's 38 years old
38:44and it's time he acted like a 38-year-old
38:46and not a three-year-old.
38:48Or a 90-year-old.
38:50Stephen is a lying, money-grabbing, pathetic excuse of a man.
38:52Shut up!
38:54Shut up!
38:56He's been here before.
38:58I'm ashamed to call him my son.
39:00Yes. Why?
39:02I'm ashamed to call you my mother.
39:04Because...
39:06over the years...
39:08She's your mother.
39:10I'm talking to her.
39:12It's not like you usually do and do nothing
39:14until I call you out. Be quiet!
39:16CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
39:22He's always been difficult.
39:24I know he's had problems in his life.
39:28He says that you've never been there.
39:30Yes, we were. We were always there.
39:32He has no respect for women.
39:34He meets them on a dating website and uses them for money.
39:36What does he do?
39:38I don't know about money, but I know he meets girls
39:40on the website.
39:44Hopefully to start a relationship.
39:46No, to have sex with.
39:48Probably.
39:50He's a benefit cheat.
39:52He's on benefits.
39:54He's never done a day's work in his life.
39:56He did a YTS when he first left school.
39:58Shut up!
40:00Yes!
40:02This is TV gold.
40:04Your mother's calling you a benefits cheat.
40:06It might mean you won't get any
40:08and you'll have to get off your fat backside
40:10and get a job.
40:12CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
40:20He says he's too ill to work.
40:22Yeah, he's a hypochondriac.
40:24With a capital H.
40:26And he has to go to hospital for a warm bed.
40:28A warm bed and food
40:30when he's hungry or cold.
40:32He makes up he's got an illness.
40:34The last one, I believe.
40:36He had three mini heart attacks the other week.
40:38It isn't a joke.
40:40He's not like any in my family.
40:42I think he must have been swapped at birth.
40:44LAUGHTER
40:46Even his brothers do actually ask me
40:48did I pick the right child
40:50when I came out of hospital.
40:52I've decided that you are my favourite mother of all time.
40:54You've actually come out here.
40:56There's a lot of people that go,
40:58how can she say that?
41:00Because you've had enough, haven't you?
41:02He's a lying, money-grabbing, pathetic excuse for a man.
41:04I'm ashamed of him.
41:06He's got no respect for women.
41:08He's a benefits cheat.
41:10He lies about being too ill to work.
41:12He uses people.
41:14I think, honestly, I swapped him at birth.
41:16It's no joke.
41:18I can't fight any more.
41:20If he doesn't apologise, I'm done.
41:22Can I just tell you, and they'll agree with me,
41:24I think you're absolutely blinding to be that honest.
41:26APPLAUSE
41:28It's not easy, is it?
41:30Because you're very easy to sit here and defend.
41:32He'll come to listen, and he'll say,
41:34I do listen, and he probably does, but he doesn't hear.
41:36And I do know that,
41:38previously on this show,
41:40I do know that you've offered him help.
41:42Oh, you tried. Told me to do one.
41:44Yeah, and he's just thrown it back in your face.
41:46He says he's like the black sheep of the family.
41:48Rubbish.
41:50I think you're great.
41:52Stephen's back on the Jeremy Carr Show!
41:54APPLAUSE
42:02Jeremy, first of all, from last time,
42:04I apologise the way I spoke to you.
42:06OK?
42:08Right.
42:14Hey, I didn't need notes.
42:18You've not been there for me as a child.
42:20Because of you...
42:22Why do you need that on paper?
42:24Because I have
42:26lack of memory.
42:28Another one.
42:30Your mother says...
42:32You make me feel worthless and a failure.
42:34She says your lack of memory is just another illness you're making up.
42:36Rubbish.
42:38No, I'm not a hypochondriac.
42:40I've got medical reports saying that
42:42I've got a number of illnesses.
42:44How does he walk when he's no feeling in his legs?
42:46It's called peripheral diabetic neuropathy.
42:48Right?
42:50If you check it up online,
42:52it says
42:54that it causes numbness in the legs.
42:56Yeah, but you've read all that online.
42:58Let's look at it from your point of view.
43:00Let's look at it from your point of view.
43:02What's it like when your mother says on national television
43:04my son is a lying, money-grabbing, pathetic
43:06excuse of a man. I'm ashamed of him.
43:08He disrespects women. He's a benefits cheat.
43:10He uses people, hospitals, whatever.
43:12I honestly believe that I swapped him at birth.
43:14That's from your own mother.
43:16What's that like to hear?
43:18It's horrible.
43:20I'm not a benefits cheat.
43:22I used to do. I'm a qualified care assistant.
43:24And I've also worked in security.
43:26Right?
43:28She says she goes to hospital to get a free meal.
43:30Rubbish.
43:32I was signed off sick
43:34by my own GP
43:36in 1997.
43:38Bloody hell, that was 20 years ago.
43:40I know it was. Have you not got better since?
43:42No. My health has deteriorated.
43:44Right. But if that's true,
43:46that's serious, Mum, isn't it?
43:48You've never been visiting me in hospital
43:50when I've been in, either with
43:52asthma attack.
43:54Why are you laughing?
43:56Why wouldn't you go and visit your son?
43:58I've been in and out of care.
44:00Yes, and we came to visit you then.
44:02When?
44:04Because of things that had happened in his previous life.
44:06The traumatic event that happened when I was a child.
44:08That he couldn't cope with.
44:10And we couldn't cope with him.
44:12His temper tantrum.
44:14Maybe that's where this all started from, Madam.
44:16It's 38 years ago.
44:18It doesn't matter.
44:20Can I speak? You've got your turn in a minute.
44:22Well, to be fair, I want to ask you a question,
44:24because I've been very supportive of you.
44:26He's 38 years of age.
44:28Something that happened to him many, many years ago,
44:30a traumatic event we can't talk about.
44:32Maybe that underlies why he's had all these issues
44:34and problems. Maybe somebody should have done
44:36something about dealing with that.
44:38He tried. He tried.
44:40Believe me.
44:42But there's another point, isn't there, Stephen,
44:44which you won't like. Go on.
44:46There are plenty of people who have been through traumatic events
44:48in their lives, worse, I guess, than yours.
44:50I don't know. Who would do something about it,
44:52and I give both sides to every argument,
44:54and wouldn't spend their lives
44:56using it as an excuse
44:58to, I don't know,
45:00not do much, not achieve much.
45:02So there's that sort of counter-argument,
45:04isn't there? Yeah.
45:06Yes, it should have been dealt with, but why don't you get off your backside
45:08and stop moaning about it and change your life?
45:10APPLAUSE
45:12Can I just ask you to tell your mother,
45:14what do you want from her from today? Talk to your mother.
45:16I want to be treated
45:18like a member of family.
45:20I want to be treated like my siblings,
45:22like you do with them.
45:24I want you to
45:26listen to me when I'm
45:28having problems.
45:30I want you to support me.
45:32And...
45:34I've done nothing but support you, Stephen.
45:36Do you feel sorry for yourself?
45:38No. You sure about that? I'm positive.
45:40But my mum
45:42makes me feel like I'm worthless
45:44and like I'm a failure. But you're doing it again, aren't you,
45:46so you're not being excused? No, not at all.
45:48Do something about the fact she makes you feel worthless.
45:50Ignore it. Get on with your own life.
45:52Make a success of your life so she's proud of you.
45:54And if I don't do it, she's never proud of me.
45:56Why does it have to be through her eyes?
45:58What about through your own eyes? What about self-worth?
46:00Because...
46:02I'm not... Listen, I'm not...
46:04I haven't got self-esteem. Why not?
46:06Because... Nobody gives it to you, pal.
46:08There's a clue in the title, self. I know.
46:10I just haven't got self-esteem. Well, you need to find it.
46:12You need to be... Maybe we can
46:14do that. I will say one thing.
46:16I really...
46:18I think it's brave to be that honest.
46:20I think, plainly, there's an issue from the past
46:22that needs dealing with. But I think there's
46:24also the counter-argument, that which you probably won't like.
46:26You know, there comes a point in life where
46:28people can moan. They can make up an illness
46:30or they can moan about their lifestyle or they
46:32can just... When I call...
46:34Always be on the back foot and at the end of the day
46:36sometimes you have to go, do you know what?
46:38Nobody's going to do this to me. So grasp the nettle
46:40and get up and get on with my life
46:42and make the most of it. Cos nobody that ever
46:44achieved anything was ever given anything, mate.
46:46There's the truth. It's not a lie, it's a fact, right?
46:48Yeah. Well, stop feeling sorry for yourself.
46:50When I qualified as a care assistant
46:52she never...
46:54So you're saying that you want your
46:56mother's acceptance.
46:58He went on a YTS when he first left school
47:00as a carer. She's not in a good place, is she?
47:02We are going to talk to you.
47:04I want to do that anyway, away from here.
47:06Is there anything that your son can do
47:08to try and make this relationship better?
47:10The conversations towards
47:12hopefully making it better. What can he do? Tell him, briefly.
47:14I've got to finish. He can start listening
47:16to what people say and accepting the help
47:18that he's given and
47:20to
47:22do as you're asked or ask for help.
47:24But I'm telling you now, in front of
47:26everybody, the bank of mother,
47:28the doors are firmly shut.
47:30Well, yeah, it's alright from my sibling to...
47:32The bank of mother, the doors are shut.
47:34I like your honesty. I'll leave you to there. I'm out of time
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47:38website. The details are on screen.
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47:42I'll see you soon. Take care. Bye-bye for now.
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