The Jeremy Kyle Show (10 Jan 2017)
The Jeremy Kyle Show (10 Jan 2017)
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00:10On today's show...
00:12Mick is your son?
00:13What?
00:14How dare you?
00:15He's disowned.
00:16He has been sleeping with men for money.
00:20Come on, little man, bring it.
00:22Little man?
00:23You're a little man.
00:24Oh, no, no, no.
00:25You're breaking your porch.
00:26Oh, no.
00:27You won't look at yourself.
00:28I am.
00:29I'm a little man.
00:31Shall I tell you why I'm a better man than you'll ever be?
00:34Because you've got 180 convictions for almost the worst crimes ever done to man.
00:39You're a car-carrying member of the English Defence League, and where I come from, people like you shouldn't be in our society.
00:52You're flushing out my toilet.
00:53Pardon?
00:54What about you and your history?
00:56What's she saying?
00:57People like you don't live within the confines of the law.
01:00You're the people who shouldn't live in this country, pal.
01:07They said to me, your father has had a sex change.
01:12The biggest shock of your life?
01:13Absolutely.
01:14You couldn't make it up.
01:15It's unthinkable.
01:16It's life-changing.
01:28CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:39Hello, friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:41Our first guest today, Bev, is here to confront her son, Mickey,
01:44whom she says is nothing more, frankly, than a male prostitute.
01:47She claims that Mickey's told her he has doubts about her being the father to wife Vicky's kids,
01:51yet they are now, she says, trying to blame her for this rumour.
01:54She says if Mickey's the dad to the kids,
01:56she's here to fight for access to her granddaughter's butt, says,
01:59I don't want to see my son again, or his wife, they're horrible,
02:02they're beneath me.
02:03Bev is on the Jeremy Carl Show That Way.
02:05CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:16Hi, Bev.
02:17I'm fine, Jeremy, how are you?
02:19I'm all right, not bad.
02:20Everything good?
02:22Obviously it's not, you're on the Jeremy Carl Show.
02:24Why would it be?
02:26Mickey's your son?
02:27Was.
02:29He's disowned, and so is she,
02:31but my granddaughters will never, ever be disowned.
02:35Bring it on, little boy!
02:37Bring it, and bring that foul trollop you're with!
02:40It's Anne Flove!
02:46Slim love!
02:47Look at the... you're married to!
02:50You're such a...
02:52You know it!
02:54You won't look at yourself there, do you?
02:56Look at yourself!
02:57You know it!
02:58...to money!
03:00And you know you're wrong!
03:02I'm getting out there.
03:04I'm serious.
03:06I'm about out there.
03:07I have no...
03:08People think I'm not in control any more.
03:10Go away!
03:11She knows he sleeps with men.
03:13Who's that?
03:14My partner, Cheryl.
03:16What's he called?
03:17Mick.
03:18Hang on a second.
03:19She knows...
03:20Your son's called Mickey, your daughter-in-law's called Vicky
03:23and your boyfriend's called Mickey.
03:25He's a gentleman who I'm engaged to.
03:27You're engaged.
03:28I'm here to expose my son, Mickey.
03:30He's a male prostitute who's been doing it for years.
03:33Yeah.
03:34And?
03:35His wife knows about it.
03:37She's known from day one, Jeremy,
03:40that he has been sleeping with men for money.
03:44When asked...
03:45She has known all along.
03:47When asked, even Graham, who is, you know,
03:49by anybody's standards, he's been with me for 11 years
03:51and not much shocks, Graham.
03:52Good man.
03:53Good man.
03:54Whilst talking to your son and your daughter-in-law earlier,
03:58he said,
03:59I just want to ask you, obviously, the last time this happened.
04:03And he went to Vicky, he went,
04:05when were you at, baby?
04:07And she went, nine and a half weeks ago.
04:09He went, yeah, it were then, cos I needed to buy some nappies.
04:13I'm pleased!
04:14He used to be good-looking, but he's gone down ill.
04:17Yeah, he has.
04:18She's the... Oh, I thought you were going to ask me.
04:20And what?
04:21And what?
04:22Come on, little man, bring it.
04:24Little man?
04:25Yeah, come on, little boy.
04:26OK, you...
04:28Do you have the bath?
04:30Let's just...
04:31That is no son of mine, Jeremy.
04:34Who are you?
04:35You've got nothing to do with it.
04:36Little little man.
04:37Hold on, hold on.
04:38Come back in your pod.
04:39Get off!
04:40Hold on.
04:41Get off!
04:42Come back in your pod.
04:43Hello, Carol, Mrs Brown's boy here.
04:47Hello.
04:48Hello, Carol's here.
04:55Excuse me, it's called the Jeremy Carl Show
04:58and I delivered a good line.
04:59Get off until I tell you to come on.
05:06Mrs Brown without a wig!
05:10Never mind, right.
05:11Welcome to the show.
05:13Mickey and Vicky are...
05:16I'm not going nowhere, Jeremy.
05:19Go on.
05:20They're as bad as each other.
05:21She never baths, he's disgusting, he sells his body.
05:23There are a couple of vile trollops.
05:25But the reason I'm here is that Mickey and Vicky
05:28told my grandkids that I'd died.
05:30They're trying to ruin my life.
05:32Pardon?
05:33I'm dead, aren't I?
05:34Apparently.
05:35Oh, hang on, then.
05:36Do you not see your granddaughters?
05:38No, I don't.
05:39Their house is a mess and it stinks of poo.
05:44Why are we doing the DNA, irrespective...
05:46I don't know.
05:47Apparently, I got told by your lovely people that she...
05:53..phoned the show and said,
05:55I told Michael that my granddaughters were not his.
06:00Let's cut to the chase.
06:01Isn't it true that Michael told you that he has doubts?
06:03He had doubts over the oldest child.
06:05Why? Why does he have doubts?
06:07Cos she looks like her he's married to.
06:12So he's sleeping with men for money
06:14and she might have been putting it about
06:16and we're not sure about the kids.
06:17You want to disown him?
06:18Mrs Brown's here to support you
06:19and she hasn't had a bath for a week.
06:21Would that be about right?
06:23No.
06:24He's lost his looks and you say, bring it, Sonny.
06:27Oh, yeah, bring it, little boy.
06:29He can bring it.
06:31I ain't scared of him.
06:33When did you find out as a mother
06:35that your son was prostituting himself?
06:37I've known a while.
06:39What is that like, serious question?
06:41Seriously, not very nice for a mother to go through.
06:44No.
06:46It isn't.
06:48Does he sell his body to men and women?
06:51Men, that I know of, one million...
06:54..one million per cent.
06:55I thought you were going to say a million pounds then.
06:57Steve's eyes lit up.
07:01Anyway, you're here today to say,
07:05I hope they're yours.
07:06I'm not interested in you or your fat girlfriend,
07:08that's what you're saying.
07:09But, Jeremy...
07:10What?
07:11..one thing, I've never denied him there.
07:14Him?
07:15Him there?
07:16Yeah, that there.
07:17Why don't you use it?
07:19Being the father of my granddaughters,
07:21I've always stated...
07:23But you think this woman has dragged him down?
07:25She has phoned your show saying that I've put it into his mouth.
07:30I've never told him he is not the father.
07:33You want to see...
07:34Bring it!
07:35Bring it without you!
07:37Come on!
07:38She's your...
07:39Without you!
07:40Well, always a lovely start to the morning
07:42when a mother says to her son,
07:44bring it, you little...
07:45Anyway...
07:46Please, bring it.
07:47I'm doing it now!
07:48I'm getting quite stressed.
07:51Mickey's on the Jeremy Carr Show, that way!
07:57You are a liar!
07:58You are a liar!
07:59You are a liar!
08:00Why am I a liar, little boy?
08:02You've said it before.
08:03Why?
08:04She looks nothing like me, Mum.
08:05No, you're a liar, little...
08:07You won't look at yourself.
08:09You won't look at yourself.
08:10How many men have you had?
08:12How many men have you had?
08:14That was in the past.
08:17I haven't had any women for bloody ages.
08:19That was in the past.
08:20I know who I went with, boy.
08:22Sorry, can I just jump in something?
08:24You said that the fact you've slept with men was in the past.
08:26It was nine and a half weeks ago to get some nappies for your newborn.
08:28That was in the past.
08:29That was in the past.
08:31Sorry.
08:32Sorry, it's in the past.
08:33It's a couple of months ago.
08:34Yeah, exactly, Jeremy.
08:35Because my fella...
08:37My fella ran into a certain house...
08:40You're his pimp.
08:41Yeah, but no, no, no.
08:42He didn't know.
08:44He told him that he was...
08:46Mickey told Mickey?
08:47He told my fiancée out there that he was borrowing money off...
08:52When he come out the house...
08:54I don't know what you're even doing here.
08:56Shut your mouth.
08:57Why would you sleep with men for money?
09:00In the beginning.
09:01Take a seat.
09:02Why?
09:03That was way in the past.
09:04I don't care.
09:05Why would you do it?
09:06I haven't brought none of my sons up to be like that.
09:09You're the only one.
09:10Yeah, OK, Mum.
09:11Well, sit down and tell us why.
09:13Do you remember in the past?
09:14Do it.
09:15I've got no...
09:16Why do you sleep with men for money?
09:18That was way in the past, Jeremy.
09:19No, it wasn't.
09:20It was nine and a half bloody weeks ago.
09:22No, that was because Vicky had the baby a lot sooner than we imagined.
09:28What if it?
09:29What if it?
09:30What if she had a birth?
09:33I gave birth to you, boy.
09:36I gave birth.
09:37I wish you'd have kept the... afterbirth.
09:40Wow.
09:41Did you just say?
09:42I wish you'd have kept the afterbirth.
09:44After what he's...
09:45After what you've put me through.
09:47You do not...
09:48After what you've put me through.
09:50No, I don't like that.
09:51What's he called you on Facebook?
09:53When he calls me...
09:54My mother's always hated the fact that I'm bisexual.
09:57She disowned me.
09:58It's her fault I became a prostitute.
10:00I've had sex in cars, in fields, and I made...
10:03Which I am ashamed of doing.
10:05I made £120 for...
10:07Oh.
10:10Oh.
10:13Why is it my fault, Jeremy?
10:15How is it her fault that you decided to sell yourself to men for money
10:19cos you can't get off your backside and go to work
10:21and buy your own mattress?
10:23CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
10:26Hang on, Jeremy.
10:28Jeremy, apparently...
10:29I'm not going to answer it.
10:31One second, please.
10:32Apparently he's working and claiming...
10:35No, I am not claiming.
10:37Why don't you go to work rather than sell your...
10:39I do work.
10:40Well, why are you selling your body for money, then?
10:42Cos I haven't just started to work, that's why.
10:45You're 26.
10:47Hang on, Michael.
10:48Why is it you live in one house, she lives in...
10:53You don't live...
10:55Sorry, can I ask you a question?
10:58Oh, God.
11:00Can I ask a question? Are you on drugs?
11:02Me? No. I used to be in the past.
11:04Oh, God.
11:05No, no, no.
11:07That was when...
11:09Can I make a point?
11:10Surely there are better ways of making a living
11:13and providing for your children and your apparent wife, or not, right,
11:17than going out and selling yourself to men?
11:19I do agree with that.
11:21Then why are you doing it?
11:23It was a mistake.
11:24How many mistakes?
11:27Hundreds.
11:29Quite a few mistakes.
11:31What?
11:32I've done quite a lot of stupid things that I do regret doing.
11:35Why are you here today?
11:37What's this about DNA on the three kids?
11:39She said you told her you have worries that you might not be the father.
11:43All you've got to do is look at my three kids...
11:46Did you tell her?
11:47No, I didn't say that.
11:48Not you. Did you tell her?
11:49No, I never said that to her.
11:50Where does it come from?
11:51OK, you tell me.
11:53Anyway, after the break, we've got your wife,
11:55who you described in not very glowing terms,
11:57who's called Vicky, and your fiance, who's called Mickey,
12:00who'll join Beth and Mickey on the stage.
12:02Two Mickeys, one Vicky and a bird with a stick.
12:04Back in a minute.
12:05You'll never see my kids again.
12:07Oh, don't you know.
12:08You'll see you in court.
12:10You'll see you in court.
12:12You won't get away with it.
12:14You are it, Murray.
12:15You are it, you said.
12:16I am?
12:17Yeah.
12:18Shut up!
12:19Shut up!
12:20Shut up!
12:21Shut up!
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13:01Mum Bev, son Mickey.
13:03Bev says, I'm here to expose my son.
13:05He sells his body to men.
13:06He's a prostitute.
13:07He's married to a disgusting woman.
13:09They're stopping me seeing my grandchildren.
13:11He told me once, in fact,
13:12that he might not be the father to these kids.
13:14Mickey came out and said,
13:15my mum is an awful woman.
13:17She's poisonous, meddling, old, busybody.
13:19I hate her.
13:20She's never accepted the fact that I was bisexual
13:22and it's her fault I became a male prostitute.
13:25Yeah.
13:26How can it be her fault?
13:27Well, if you were actually there for me and I...
13:29No, hang on a minute.
13:30Before you even open that mouth of yours for once, shut up.
13:33I have even...
13:35Will you just shut up and listen to me?
13:37I have even said to the team,
13:38yeah, I won't give you credit, you have been there for me.
13:41All 26.
13:42No, mother.
13:43Oh, sorry.
13:44Get it right.
13:45You were there for me.
13:46No, I've been there for me.
13:47No, I don't think so.
13:48Sorry, if you were there for me,
13:49I wouldn't have been a male prostitute
13:51and I have told the team you have been there for me.
13:53You can shut up.
13:54You can shut up as well.
13:55What's your wife called?
13:56Vicky.
13:57But you don't live in the same house?
13:58No.
13:59Vicky, Mickey, Mickey, Vicky.
14:00Vicky's on the Jeremy Carl Show that way.
14:02APPLAUSE
14:07You're knocking on a hall of fame...
14:10You're nothing to my kids.
14:12You'll never see my kids again.
14:13I told you, won't I, Beth?
14:15I'll see you in court, you stupid little...
14:18You are a mobbing.
14:20You are a mobbing.
14:21You want to take your sons?
14:23I'd been there for my kids.
14:25No, you haven't, Beth.
14:26You haven't.
14:27Who said you?
14:28Who said you?
14:29Whatever, Beth.
14:30Who said you, Kev?
14:31Who was second to the most fucking gay man, Mrs Brown?
14:35Get in there, I will let him.
14:37Get up, Julia.
14:38Go.
14:39Get off.
14:40Get off me.
14:41I don't know why he's got nothing to do with this, Beth.
14:43Beth, Beth, take a seat.
14:45I'm not Mickey's kid.
14:46Sorry, can I, can I, can I, excuse me, can I, can I...
14:49That says a lot, love.
14:51That doesn't like it.
14:53Where's your wedding rings?
14:54You don't even need the stick, Beth.
14:56Where's your wedding rings?
14:58Where's your wedding rings?
15:00What's it got to do with you?
15:01Porn.
15:02Don't you need it?
15:04Have you not?
15:05My mother's jewellery, David!
15:08Shut up!
15:10Be quiet!
15:12Tell him to judge bloody Rinder!
15:14What are you doing?
15:15Be quiet!
15:20Please let me know.
15:22Can I speak?
15:24Can I ask you a question?
15:26Yeah.
15:27Irrespective of whether your house is covered in poo,
15:29whether or not you have the most unbelievably successful or not marriage,
15:33answer me this.
15:34You're happy for your husband to go outside,
15:37sell his body to a man to buy nappies for your baby.
15:42Does any part of your brain think that's dangerous and just awful and just wrong?
15:51Yeah, it is.
15:52Then why do you allow it to happen?
15:53Why don't you convince your husband to go to work?
15:55I've tried to.
15:56I'm talking now, not you.
15:58Go on.
15:59I have asked him to go to work.
16:00It's either he goes to work or he stays at home
16:02What is your response as a mother and a wife, seriously, when he goes out and does that?
16:06I mean, let's just shut up a minute and stop shouting.
16:09That's what I can't really understand.
16:12It does annoy me.
16:13Annoys you?
16:14Does it not repulse you?
16:15Does it not make you think that that in some way stamps all over what you have,
16:21what you believe in?
16:22I mean, listen, I've done this long enough to know people have a go at each other,
16:26but I mean, doesn't it disgust you?
16:29Yeah.
16:31Does he tell you afterwards, before or what?
16:34He's told me before and after.
16:37And you've never said, no, I don't want you to do that?
16:39Yeah.
16:40And you still do it?
16:41Yeah, because at the end of the day, I'm thinking about getting my kids stuff done.
16:44You're a liar though, aren't you?
16:45Because in your notes, because I checked during the break,
16:47you did say that you have concerns that Lacey May, your eldest, isn't yours.
16:51You said that to us.
16:52I said that once and that was enough.
16:54Yes, well, I want to know why, then that rather justifies what your mother said.
16:57I want to know why we are doing three DNA tests.
17:01Apparently, we found out that you're a male prostitute.
17:03Your wife seems to accept that and I'm sure pampers are celebrating,
17:06but here's the other thing I don't understand, right?
17:08Why are we doing DNA?
17:09Because you're implying your wife's a cheat, aren't you?
17:11I've never said that about my wife.
17:13Well, then why on earth would you not be the father, then?
17:15Because my eldest, you look at my two young'uns, right?
17:18It doesn't matter whether you look at them.
17:19She must have slept with somebody else if you think you're not the father.
17:22No, that's her that's saying that.
17:23That's her that's saying it.
17:24Yeah, you ain't!
17:26You're the one!
17:27You're the one that's turned round three and said,
17:30I'm the only one that's actually...
17:32Look at this! I don't need...
17:34Yeah, hold on.
17:35My knee's all bad.
17:36Yeah, whatever.
17:37My hip is bad.
17:38OK, then, yeah.
17:39Shame your mum says about you all, ain't she?
17:40Fancy you didn't clean your hands up.
17:42Hey, excuse me, if my house was dirty,
17:44why the hell have I still got my three kids with me?
17:47I've always had my three kids with me!
17:49Shame to all of you!
17:50That's it, Mick's on the Jeremy Carl Show. Get him out!
17:52CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
17:57Listen, you two-faced...
18:00Ooh, I'll tell you something now.
18:02Mick!
18:03Yes?
18:04That's my dirty house.
18:05Dirty house? Don't...
18:06Whatever.
18:07Now, listen, you've got a newborn baby.
18:09Oh, yeah.
18:10Right?
18:11Yeah, right.
18:12She's not a newborn, actually.
18:14Would you or anybody else in this audience
18:17take a newborn baby into a...
18:20Ooh...
18:21If my house was dirty...
18:22You have to wipe your feet when you come out.
18:24If my house was dirty...
18:26Listen, another thing...
18:27Why am I still got my three kids with me?
18:29Shut up!
18:31Oi!
18:32Oi!
18:33Top and bottom of it is...
18:35Don't say that.
18:36..you told her yourself and it come out of her mouth.
18:41No, top and bottom of it is, Beverly,
18:43it's because we didn't tell you that my youngest daughter
18:46has got to wear a red...
18:48Why point her with a red Facebook?
18:51I have a right as a grandparent to know...
18:53You are nothing to my kids.
18:54My granddaughter...
18:55You are nothing to my kids.
18:56Why has she got no rights?
18:57I am a grandparent and why haven't I?
18:59That's what I want to know.
19:00Can I... Can you all stop shouting why?
19:02All right, Vicky, right, here's the thing.
19:04Why does this lady...
19:05Just be quiet a minute, you, all right?
19:07Why are you banning her from seeing her grandchildren
19:09if they are, in fact, her grandchildren?
19:11Because she controls...
19:13She tries to take control of my kids.
19:15That's right.
19:16When we go up there...
19:17No, shut up.
19:18When we go up to see them,
19:19we always have to go to their house.
19:21Oh, sure, it's a clean house.
19:22Yeah, whatever, mate.
19:23Yeah, yeah.
19:24It's a clean house.
19:25No, shut up.
19:26You left nappies in our bathroom.
19:28You left nappies...
19:29Not me, that wasn't me.
19:30You left nappies on the floor in my living room.
19:33You did.
19:34What's next?
19:35I don't just pick them up and take them out
19:36and put them in the bin box.
19:37You went in there.
19:38You went...
19:39But, Bev, Bev, Bev.
19:40Yes, he did.
19:41Oi, Bev, just cos you've got the loudest voice,
19:43why would she want you to be involved in a kid's life
19:45when you run around the town telling anybody and everybody
19:48she's a terrible mother, she's a cow,
19:50she's this, that and the other?
19:51I have not, Jeremy.
19:52Oh, you have, haven't you?
19:53No, I'm telling her to her face.
19:55Yeah, that's true.
19:56I tell her, and one thing I've never said...
19:59Same question.
20:00You should be defending her, shouldn't you?
20:01Never.
20:02Why should I?
20:03She and her and him...
20:04She's the mother of your grandchildren, baby.
20:06I don't care.
20:07They're classing me as an unfit mother, a prostitute.
20:10All this, that's one thing I've never done, Jeremy.
20:13What?
20:14Never been a prostitute, never been...
20:17..been a prostitute, so I don't know why you're grinning.
20:19Cos most women watching this would find that completely abhorrent, love.
20:22Yeah, but we've never said nothing about that, about Bev.
20:25Mick, what's your take on this, pal?
20:27He says to me, I've no relation whatsoever, yeah?
20:30Nothing to do with the grandkids.
20:32What's that ring on her finger?
20:34That means nothing.
20:35That means nothing.
20:36Hang on.
20:37Them children, the three girls...
20:39Are they all coming grandad?
20:41Yeah, which is nothing to do with Mick.
20:43That's it today, that's it.
20:45We're finished, but...
20:46I thought you wanted to see your grandkids.
20:48Yeah, hold on, that's what I'm going to see.
20:50I will take these...
20:52Yes, there is.
20:54Whatever, Mick.
20:55Why is he a dirty what? Why is he dirty?
20:57You're hardly in a position to judge, are you?
21:00You've got nothing to do with my kids.
21:02I smell all right, you know what I mean?
21:04You've got nothing to do with my kids,
21:06so I don't know what the hell you're doing here.
21:08I've had a bath.
21:09So have I, I've had a shower.
21:11You've got nothing to do with my kids.
21:13Why is it the fifth time?
21:15You've got nothing to do with my kids.
21:17That's why.
21:18You're the mother.
21:19Better the mother than you are.
21:21Always better to have a mother.
21:23Mother, what of your dads?
21:25Whatever you want, you know.
21:27I want you to take your hand and...
21:29Shut up, shut up.
21:33Don't.
21:34Shut up.
21:35Don't.
21:36Shut up, it's nothing to do with you.
21:38Sit down.
21:39Don't.
21:40Get your head down.
21:41Go on, start making sense.
21:44It's got nothing to do with you.
21:49Hang on, shut your mouth, I want this.
21:51Not yours.
21:52Nick, shut up.
21:53You won't go down that road, do you?
21:55Oi, you.
21:56You there.
21:57What?
21:58Not you.
22:01Hello, hello.
22:02Shut up, shut up.
22:04Unbelievably in all of this.
22:06Shut up, instantly.
22:08You want to shut your mouth.
22:11You don't even need that stick, Bev,
22:13cos you walk round the streets without it.
22:15Don't you?
22:16I haven't done for a while.
22:18I haven't done for a while.
22:20At least I fed my kids, not expect other people.
22:23I wanted to be fed, love.
22:25Not expect other people anywhere else.
22:27I know that's why you don't mean things, you don't.
22:30Right, and if I come to you and say,
22:32Mum, I need to talk to you, I'm busy.
22:34And you can't say you didn't.
22:36Yeah, what do you expect?
22:38I've got to have a line.
22:40I want to talk to you, Mum, about something.
22:42I want a line.
22:44I want to have a line.
22:46I want to have a line.
22:48I want to have a line.
22:50I want to have a line.
22:52Shut your mouth.
22:54I want to have a line.
22:56Could I... Sorry to call the Jeremy Carr show.
22:59So we've done a 3DNA test, because you say...
23:02Why?
23:03I don't know!
23:04I don't know what's going on!
23:06They are taking you as an idiot.
23:10I don't mean that. No, Jeremy, you're not.
23:13You are not an idiot.
23:15Thank you so much. My life is infinitely better now.
23:18I feel tremendous about that.
23:20This is awesome.
23:24I'm going to an ad break,
23:26because I'm officially not an idiot after the break.
23:29Vicky, who lives with a man who likes to sell his body to men
23:32for money when they want nappies,
23:34who apparently doesn't need a stick and is not married to Mick,
23:37although he's engaged and gets called Grandad.
23:39Whether the three kids are Mickeys or not, we don't know,
23:42but we'll find out... Shut up!
23:44..after the break.
23:46The DNA test does not show them Mickey.
23:52A serial criminal with over 100 major convictions
23:55ranging from conning the vulnerable and elderly,
23:58racism, drink driving, football, hooliganism and theft.
24:04CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
24:35..plus your network access charge,
24:37or email talkatitv.com to get in touch with one of my team.
24:50I'm not sure what I'm... Are you still cackling on?
24:53Shut up!
24:55Now, I don't care where this came from,
24:58but apparently there seems to be some confusion about
25:01whether the three... You all right?
25:03Jeremy, to be honest... It's Jeremy, not Geminary.
25:06I said Jeremy. That's fine.
25:08I didn't say Jeremy. I'm not having a very good day, really, am I?
25:11What's this? I don't know where that came from.
25:13I don't know why you're laughing. I was not the first one to say...
25:17He had doubts because...
25:19Do you or have you had doubts about paternity of those kids?
25:24Once. Right. Once.
25:27And that was when she was very first born, wasn't it?
25:30No. So you presume from that,
25:32and if you've said it once, of course we're going to do it,
25:35I would presume from that confusion
25:37that you must have thought your missus had cheated.
25:40It's the father of the kids. Yes.
25:42Why throw it in me face over the very first one?
25:45Because if they thought that you cheated on their son...
25:48No, no, Geminary.
25:50The DNA test results show that Mickey...
25:52And, by the way, could I point out this is you, not you,
25:55cos that would be a whole different show.
25:57You are the father of those kids.
25:59It is the biological father. Oh, my God!
26:01I told you not to do that!
26:04I've always said you are!
26:07Yeah, if you stop shouting... Don't!
26:09Gem...
26:11Can you shut her up?
26:13I'll shut myself up.
26:17I don't know where this has come from,
26:19but patently you two are never going to see eye to eye.
26:21What do you do? Do you carry on like this?
26:23After today... I'm not being funny.
26:25After today, she can drop that. I do not want...
26:27Nice way of talking about your mother.
26:29She's no mother of mine.
26:31Might I suggest you don't have any more...
26:35What about...
26:37You're using your kids as a weapon now, aren't you?
26:39No, I'm not seeing the kids.
26:41You're not seeing the kids.
26:43I don't want you anywhere near me.
26:45You're using the kids as a weapon.
26:47You're not seeing the kids.
26:49You're using the kids as weapons.
26:51He's not seeing the kids.
26:53They're nothing to him.
26:55Forget him a minute.
26:57What about her? She's the grandmother.
26:59You're using your kids as a weapon.
27:01She's right, love.
27:03She is.
27:05Mind the step, because if you fell over,
27:07the whole thing's going to go wrong, isn't it?
27:09Where have they gone?
27:11Oh, God, it's the card Olympics. Here we go.
27:13Run around town.
27:15Oi, slow down.
27:17Not running around after people the whole time.
27:19He's definitely not seeing the kids.
27:21My kids are nothing to him.
27:23Hang on a minute.
27:25What right do you have to tell her she can't see your kids?
27:27She's a grandmother.
27:29No, because she's doing poison to kids.
27:31You've been quite abusive to her as well, haven't you?
27:33What about your kids?
27:35Do you want them to grow up in this poisonous atmosphere?
27:37That's why I'm not going to do anything to her.
27:39After the amount of abuse
27:41she's been saying about me,
27:43about Vicky,
27:45and she's even slagged the kids off.
27:47You're hardly going to be able to get into their good books
27:49if you're slagging them both off and seeing your grandchildren.
27:51And that's the point. Be quiet.
27:53If you continue to shout and scream at them
27:55or whatever you might think, they're not going to let you see the kids.
27:57Ignore him. He's nothing.
27:59He's nothing. Ignore him.
28:01They're not biologically anything to do with you, Mick.
28:03You're a waste of space.
28:05So are you, Mick.
28:07So are you.
28:09So are you, Mick.
28:11If you were being cleverer,
28:13wouldn't you actually be being nicer now?
28:15Mick?
28:17Wouldn't you actually be being nicer now
28:19because you want to see your grandchildren?
28:21They're not his grandkids.
28:23They are not his grandkids.
28:25He's only been with Beth 12 months,
28:27so he's nothing to my kids.
28:2914, nearly 15 months, actually.
28:31Yes, he is.
28:33It's 15 months.
28:3512 weeks more than 12 months, isn't it?
28:37I told you we first met in the office.
28:39I'm not bothered about that.
28:41I will see my grandchildren.
28:43If she can abuse me like that,
28:45she's already abused her.
28:47There are plenty of people who think the way you live your life
28:49means you shouldn't have kids in the first place now.
28:51Hang on a minute, Jeremy.
28:53She wants to abuse me like that.
28:55It won't be the first time she's done that
28:57in front of my kids.
28:59But it is a point.
29:01If you're going to slag them off,
29:03they're not going to let you see their kids.
29:05Hang on a minute, Jeremy.
29:07A girl who's on disability,
29:09which I am on.
29:11You don't need to be on.
29:13Why have you got two different houses?
29:15That's nothing to do with you.
29:17You've got two houses.
29:19Why don't you go and you get a job?
29:21Shut up.
29:23Support your kids.
29:25I support my kids.
29:27Shut up.
29:29You're crossing it.
29:31You're crossing it.
29:33Don't.
29:35My kids have got nothing to do with you.
29:37You're not going to get anywhere.
29:39Take him, please.
29:41Danny, take him.
29:43Take him out.
29:45He's got nothing to do with you.
29:47He's got nothing to do with you.
29:49Will you sit down with your mother
29:51away from your wife and talk about...
29:53Not you. We didn't ask you.
29:55What, do you control everything he does?
29:57Go and straighten your body because I want some nappies.
29:59Stop having children, then, love.
30:01I'm asking you.
30:03Away from him and away from her.
30:05Will you sit with your mother?
30:07Do you control what he says?
30:09Would you be quiet? Shush.
30:11Will you and your mother, away from Vicky and Mickey,
30:13Mickey and Vicky, however you want to say it,
30:15will you sit down with your mother?
30:17I'm going to tell you this calmly and you can stop shouting.
30:19Forget him a minute. She is a grandmother.
30:21She does have rights, but actually...
30:23Look at the way... I can't believe the way that you are.
30:25I think you might actually consider a different option
30:27if you didn't have your wife round your neck.
30:29The amount of abuse she's given me...
30:31So you don't want to talk to your own mother, no?
30:33Then I will support you finding out everything
30:35to get grandparents' rights.
30:37Make sure he stays calm.
30:39They're not your kids. Well, they are, but you know what?
30:41They're not a possession you can play God with.
30:43So you won't let us see them?
30:45It's not about tit for tat, love, it's about kids.
30:47Give them a round of applause. Nothing doing.
30:49APPLAUSE
30:55Sometimes it just doesn't work.
30:57Sometimes people just have to go in opposite directions
30:59because there's too much water under the bridge.
31:01Good luck to them, though.
31:03My next guest today, Fiona, says that just over four weeks ago
31:05she was utterly devastated to find that savings of over £400
31:08had been stolen from her home.
31:10Now, she believes it was her best friend Conrad,
31:12as he not only has a key to her house,
31:14but was around on the day the theft took place.
31:16She says that although Conrad hasn't stolen from her before,
31:19he does have an extensive history of thieving,
31:21and she says she needs to know for definite whether he's done this,
31:25and if he has, this guy ain't ever stepping foot in her house again.
31:29He is utterly mortified that anybody would call him a thief.
31:32Fiona's on The Jeremy Carr Show. That way.
31:34APPLAUSE
31:43Hello, darling, all right? Hi. Yes.
31:45Nice to meet you. You too.
31:47You all right? Yeah.
31:48Take a seat. You and Conrad are best mates for four years.
31:51Yes. I love this story.
31:53I saved for Christmas by putting pound coins, 50p and two pounds in a tin.
31:57That's right. 400 squid.
31:59A bit over, I'd say.
32:01Tell me when you realised it was missing, what happened?
32:03I got up one Sunday morning, Conrad had been in my flat.
32:06So he's got a key? He's got a key, yeah.
32:08He's, like, a part-time lodger, I do his washing,
32:11he comes and goes his places.
32:13Are you in a romantic relationship? Never.
32:15Never have been, no. OK.
32:17So there's a key, right? Yeah, I text my dog for a walk,
32:20he helps me because of my disability and that.
32:22He'd been in, he'd gone, I was still in bed,
32:25I got up, opened my front room curtains,
32:27and my windows had been opened.
32:29You think the window scenario was to make it look like an outside job?
32:32Yeah, but I've got a dog.
32:33If anybody tried to come through the windows,
32:35my dog would have carried on alarmingly.
32:37He's one of me best mates, I trust him.
32:39Yeah, well, I did. Did you confront him?
32:41Yes.
32:42Tell my team, you hadn't seen him for a week,
32:44he's disappeared out of your life, hasn't been in the flat,
32:47so that would make you think that this guy has got...
32:49He's got previous convictions and quite a long record.
32:52Of what? Stealing, football, hooligan, driving while banned.
32:57So, yeah, I have accused him.
33:00I'll be heartbroken if he fails the test.
33:02Well, good friends, if he fails the test,
33:04I'm going to be devastated.
33:06He's my best friend, he's part of my family with my children.
33:10Erm... Sorry?
33:12He's like part of my family. Yeah.
33:14He says you're like a sister to him. Yeah, and he's like a brother.
33:17He says, how dare... It's a good word, that.
33:20How dare she accuse me of stealing?
33:22Of course I dare. I feel angry.
33:25I feel angry and I feel betrayed.
33:28So do I. I'm a proud man and I wouldn't do that.
33:31I will pass the test to a million percent.
33:33I want an apology on national television.
33:36I will give you 100% apology if I'm wrong.
33:39He told my team, and I quote,
33:41bear this in mind, my reputation is being tarnished.
33:45Conrad's on the Jeremy Carl Show that way.
33:55Erm, welcome to the show. She's like a sister to you.
33:58How dare she accuse you of stealing? You feel very angry, don't you?
34:01Oh, of course I do, yeah. Why?
34:03Cos I haven't done it. And I won't lick off her anyway.
34:05She's my friend. If I want to bury anyone here, I'll ask her.
34:09I've got a key to the flat, a baby seat for the dog.
34:12Why should I steal off her?
34:14You're a fine, upstanding human being, aren't you?
34:16Yeah, I am. No, you're not. And you are.
34:18No, you're not. And you are. You're a disgusting human being.
34:22Shall I tell you why I'm a better man than you'll ever be?
34:25Cos you've got 180 convictions
34:27for almost the worst crimes ever known to man.
34:30You're a card-carrying member of the English Defence League,
34:33and where I come from, people like you shouldn't be in our society.
34:41Be a member of what you want, but do you know what I cannot believe?
34:45You can be a racist if you want, but do you know what I can't believe?
34:48I can't believe a 50-year-old man who says,
34:51how dare she accuse me of stealing? My reputation is tarnished.
34:55Your reputation's tarnished by, I repeat, 180 convictions.
35:01Is that all? No, I thought it'd be more than that.
35:03You're proud of that? Yeah, I am, yeah. Disgusting.
35:05Why would you let that in your house?
35:07Why would I let you in your house? I've never been to her house.
35:10I'll make it straight to you. You're not racist, are you?
35:13No, I'm not racist. I'm a proud white Englishman.
35:16You're Muslims. I've never said that at all. Really? No, I haven't.
35:19Really? No, I haven't. We've read so much about you.
35:22Why would you let that in your house?
35:24I got to know Conrad before I knew about his convictions.
35:26And when you found out 180, let me just remind you, 180 convictions.
35:30Well, what's wrong with that? I didn't know that.
35:32What's wrong with that? What's wrong with it?
35:35You stupid, scruffy-looking something.
35:38A serial criminal with over 180 convictions,
35:41ranging from conning the vulnerable and elderly.
35:45Racism, drink-driving, football hooliganism and theft.
35:48Well, that's a lot of...
35:50Can I have a hug?
35:52I wouldn't even flush it on my toilet, Don.
35:55CHEERING
35:57I wouldn't flush it on my toilet.
35:59My toilet, it can't...
36:02..like you.
36:04Yeah. What for?
36:06What about you and your history?
36:08Pardon? What about you and your history?
36:11What's he saying? 180... Oh.
36:14What about your history, 180 convictions?
36:16It doesn't matter about the colour of your skin.
36:18It's a lot about colour of skin.
36:20You don't live within the confines of the law.
36:22You're the people who shouldn't live in this country, pal.
36:25Plain and simple.
36:30So you let him in your house, did you?
36:33Well, it looks like it, doesn't it?
36:37He passed the test, whatever. Thank you.
36:39Thank you. I'm sorry. Thank you very much.
36:44Do you want to know something? Thank you very much.
36:46Put that in your mouth and eat it. I beg your pardon?
36:48I said put it in your mouth and eat it.
36:50I am sorry if you're accused. Yeah?
36:52Do me a favour, yeah? I think we ought...
36:54You've just accused me of something I haven't done.
36:56Get off! Get off!
36:58Get off!
37:00Off! Off! Off!
37:02Off! Off! Off!
37:04CHEERING
37:09CHEERING
37:19Listen, I didn't accuse him, you did.
37:22I can't in any way...
37:24We all have opinions, but 180 convictions,
37:28and, you know, racism is vile,
37:31conning the elderly and vulnerable.
37:34You know, we live in a troubled world.
37:36Certainly, at this time, we talk about colour, caste, creed, religion.
37:41There's enough, but that, people like that?
37:44Not for me, mate. Thank you very much.
37:46Thanks for coming on. Give her a round of applause for going that way.
37:56Can't think I'd ever want a friend like that.
37:58Right, back after this break with more from the Jeremy Carl show.
38:01Don't go anywhere.
38:02Everything about my dad, it doesn't matter that he's a woman.
38:06This is my family.
38:07This is life-changing and I'm so excited.
38:10The biggest shock of your life?
38:12Absolutely. You couldn't make it up. It's life-changing.
38:21Have you been accused of cheating?
38:23Do you need to prove your innocence with a lie detector?
38:26If you're 18 or over and you want to be considered for the show,
38:30plus your name to 63334.
38:35You can call my team today, it's 09011, it's 123456.
38:40Calls cost 25p, plus your network access charge.
38:43Or email talk at itv.com to get in touch with one of my team.
38:56Thank you, my friends. Welcome back.
38:58Yesterday, Lee says that he was utterly shocked to the core
39:01when he got a call from my team recently
39:03to tell him that his biological father was looking for him
39:06after 40 long years.
39:08Now, as if that wasn't enough to get his head around,
39:10Lee was then given some massive news by the team
39:13that his father was now in fact a woman.
39:16After taking a week to digest this information,
39:19Lee tells us he's very keen to meet his dad, now called Michaela,
39:23and also his half-sister, that until last week he knew nothing about.
39:27The point to make here is that this guy was shocked,
39:29this guy has thought about it, this is on his terms
39:31and this is something that he says he wants to do
39:34and I think he deserves huge respect for that.
39:36Lee is on the Jeremy Kyle show, That Way.
39:48I know from talking to Graham a week ago,
39:51and I'm going to be totally honest with you,
39:54I heard about the story.
39:56When I heard your reaction, I wasn't in any way surprised.
40:00In fact, I don't think anybody will be surprised.
40:03The biggest shock of your life?
40:05Absolutely. It's a day that I never expected would ever come along.
40:10Yeah, complete shock, yeah.
40:13He said to us that I'm a very private person,
40:15I'm not altogether sure I want to meet my father,
40:18and then we had to, through our care of duty,
40:20through Graham and the team, we had to tell you
40:22that your dad was now living as Michaela.
40:25That's correct, yeah.
40:26I mean, yeah, I was just out doing my daily business one day
40:29and I came home and I had a letter from your production team
40:32saying that I needed to contact you.
40:34And then when I contacted you, it was made clear to me
40:37that you'd found my biological father
40:39or he had put a search out for me.
40:41I had a chat with Graham and your production team,
40:43which is when they said to me,
40:45your father has had a sex change, your biological father.
40:50What's that like, to digest?
40:54I don't know, it's just instant shock.
40:56It's one thing after another.
40:57Your father has come for you after all this time
41:00and now there's X, Y and Z into the equation.
41:02You couldn't make it up.
41:04It's unthinkable, it's life-changing.
41:06You couldn't make it up.
41:08What made an opinion...
41:11See, I get this probably more than some of the people here.
41:14I'm glad you took a week to think about this.
41:16I'm glad that this is on your terms
41:18and that was important for you, wasn't it,
41:20to digest that information?
41:21Yeah, I really needed to go away
41:23and digest every piece of information and think correctly
41:26and speak to my really good close friends
41:28like Matthew that I brought today,
41:30really close friends,
41:31and just to make sure that everybody knew
41:33that they would back me and they were my friends.
41:36They supported me through this.
41:37Your production team supported me through this.
41:39That's good to hear.
41:40I know that one of the nice things is that having dealt with it,
41:43having processed that information,
41:45actually now you're excited about me.
41:47Absolutely, 100%.
41:48This is life-changing and I'm so excited.
41:52What a nice man you are.
41:54What a lovely man you are.
42:01I have no negative feelings towards Michaela.
42:04She doesn't need to apologise, she's forgiven.
42:06If I didn't do this today,
42:07I would have regretted it for the rest of my life,
42:09but I know today is going to change my life.
42:11I know nothing about my dad.
42:13It doesn't matter that he's a woman.
42:15This is my family.
42:16Absolutely.
42:21Well, are you all right?
42:23Yeah.
42:24Really appreciate you being here.
42:26I'm really grateful.
42:2740 years.
42:28And I think also, sorry,
42:29sometimes trying to find the right words is actually quite difficult.
42:32I have total respect for Michaela as well,
42:34to not only, after all of that time,
42:36to come and want to find a child.
42:39It would have been very easy for her to bury her past
42:41and not say anything,
42:42and as much as it's been difficult for you,
42:44I imagine it's difficult for Michaela,
42:46but if you look that way, it's your father, but Michaela.
42:49Michaela's on the Jeremy Cowell Show, that way.
43:11How are you?
43:12I'm very well, yeah.
43:13Excellent.
43:14Well looked after, so, yeah.
43:15Yeah.
43:16How are you?
43:17I'm over the moon.
43:18Are you having a nice day?
43:19I am.
43:20Are you having a nice day?
43:21No, my emotions are all over the place.
43:23You know, I was so humbled and, you know,
43:25inspired about what I've just heard you say there.
43:29You know, and I'm so sorry for, you know,
43:31having not been there for you,
43:33and, you know, the reason that I've had and so on
43:36now seems so silly, really.
43:40I just can't, you know, imagine why I thought the way I did
43:44and didn't make this happen so much sooner.
43:47Michaela, thank you for coming here today.
43:49I thought you were so candid in what you said.
43:51You said, I was too young to be a dad.
43:53I was in the army.
43:54I regrettably signed Lee away 40 years ago.
43:56I wish I'd never did it.
43:57Looking back, it seemed like the only option,
44:00but I have lived with years of regret.
44:03Yes.
44:05I just think it's extraordinary
44:08that the two of you have taken this step.
44:10It's great, but it's not going to be easy,
44:13but it's fantastic that this has been done, isn't it?
44:15It is, I mean, it is a first step, absolutely,
44:18and, you know, what happens next is, I'm sure, going to be positive,
44:22and we are going to go forward together.
44:24Exactly how is the, you know,
44:26the questions that we need to, you know, find an answer,
44:29but I'm absolutely sure we will.
44:30Absolutely, and let me tell you, you've got nothing to be sorry for.
44:33Absolutely nothing.
44:34No, nothing whatsoever.
44:37I would have knocked it all.
44:39I don't resent you. You've never done me any wrong.
44:42You've got nothing to be sorry for.
44:44How long did you...
44:45How long ago was it that you reconnected with Fern McKaylee, your daughter?
44:48Well, no, Fern's always lived with me, so, you know...
44:51Was Fern very supportive through your transition?
44:54She was, totally, and, you know,
44:57any sort of failings in transitioning correctly were entirely mine,
45:03and, you know, I sort of feared what would Fern's reaction be,
45:06but it couldn't have been better.
45:08You are such a nice person, aren't you?
45:11No, no, really, but I think...
45:13What I'm trying to say really badly is, right,
45:16there are parts like this, and you think, people will just look at it,
45:20it's just a nice person and fantastic that we've managed to reconnect you.
45:24You didn't know, what, eight days ago,
45:27that your father was looking for you, that you had...
45:30You've got a half-sister.
45:31What's that like? Difficult to deal with as well, pal?
45:33It's... No, it's not difficult to deal with,
45:35because our little sister is something that I've always wanted in life.
45:38Oh!
45:39Fern's on the Jeremy Kyle show, that way, that's right.
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45:56That's OK, that's OK. We're here now.
45:58I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
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46:07Michaela, did you ever think you'd see that moment?
46:10No, I didn't.
46:11You know, all those years ago, when I signed the papers,
46:14I guess as a mental defence, I'd imagined that I would never see Lee.
46:20That was it, you know, Lee was gone from me.
46:23And that's the way I've dealt with it ever since.
46:26And it's interesting, because on a couple of occasions,
46:29along the way, I sort of started to look,
46:32and then backed off because I was so concerned
46:35that I was going to be opening up a lot of pain and so on,
46:39taking Lee back.
46:40You know, he might have built a good life, I'd convinced myself.
46:43I had this little picture of his life being very good
46:46and a nice job and a family,
46:47and, you know, I was going to sort of destroy all that by doing this.
46:50I don't think you've destroyed anything, I think it's fantastic.
46:53Fern, welcome to the show. Thank you. Hey, Jeremy.
46:55The most exciting moment in your life,
46:57when you told me you had a half-brother, you told my team.
46:59Yeah, yeah.
47:00Just three weeks ago, I found out it was a shock, you know.
47:04I was excited at first, then I was a bit angry at my dad,
47:08because for 26 years I thought I was an only child,
47:11then it kind of just turned my life upside down, you know.
47:14I was just thinking about it every second of the day.
47:17Just, yeah.
47:19I want Lee to be a part of my family, and I want to tell him something.
47:22He is... You're an uncle.
47:24APPLAUSE
47:28Can I just say something that I think is probably the greatest thing
47:32I've ever heard?
47:34You said that your dad is your hero,
47:36and he's the greatest woman ever to be around,
47:39and it's not about gender, it's about spirit and it's about soul,
47:43and your dad, stroke Michaela, stroke whatever,
47:46has more of that than anybody you've ever met.
47:48Can you beat that? That's absolutely spot-on, isn't it?
47:51It is spot-on, isn't it?
47:53APPLAUSE
47:56Absolutely beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.
47:59How do you feel? Last word from you.
48:01I just hope this could be my beautiful new world, I really do.
48:05These people are absolutely beautiful
48:07and some of the best people I've ever met in my life.
48:09I'm so grateful for this opportunity. Thank you so much.
48:11My pleasure. You are a family. You're going to humble all of us.
48:14Thank you so much for coming here.
48:16Really appreciate it. Very nice to meet you.
48:18Thank you for all of your help.
48:20Give them a round of applause for going that way.
48:23APPLAUSE
48:29Amazing way to end this morning. I am, though, out of time for now.
48:32If you want to be on my show and need help like those people,
48:35visit our website. The details are on screen.
48:37To my guests, to this audience and to you four watching at home,
48:39you know who you are. I'll see you very soon.
48:41Take care. Bye for now.
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48:53This programme contains some strong language.