Breaking Down the Jeremy Swayman Situation w/ Andrew Raycroft | Bruins Beat
On this episode of Bruins Beat, Evan Marinofksy is joined by broadcaster, podcaster, and former Bruins' goaltender Andrew Raycroft. Evan and Razor discuss the finer details of the Jeremy Swayman situation, what these negotiations are like from the perspective of someone who has been through them, and what Raycroft believes the outcome will be. Plus, a quick look at what cold happen if a deal doesn't get worked out. All that, and much more!
Topics:
- Don Sweeney shoots down rumors
- Raycroft talks about his own holdout
- How this Jeremy Swayman situation can be resolved
- Breaking down what Swayman is worth
- Worst case scenarios
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Topics:
- Don Sweeney shoots down rumors
- Raycroft talks about his own holdout
- How this Jeremy Swayman situation can be resolved
- Breaking down what Swayman is worth
- Worst case scenarios
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00:21I am Evan Maranofsky, joined today by Andrew Raycroft.
00:25Razor, what's up?
00:27Not much.
00:28There's a name tagline that stays on Razor here on the streamer, and I should have been
00:32more professional and put Andrew.
00:34But I am great.
00:35Hockey season is upon us.
00:39It is.
00:40It is upon us.
00:41And no, I like the nickname.
00:42It's, you know, everybody calls you it on Nessun and Morning Brew with you and Billy.
00:48So it's, yeah, Razor is an appropriate nickname.
00:53Nothing really to talk about.
00:54Not much going on.
00:55No goalies issues this year, which is nice.
00:58No rotations to talk about.
01:00It's just nice and quiet.
01:01Yeah.
01:02Yeah.
01:03How was your summer?
01:04It was pretty good and all that.
01:06Training camp has started.
01:07It started with a bang.
01:09First press conference of the season.
01:11John Sweeney comes out, makes his comments about the Jeremy Swayman situation.
01:16Obviously won't give specifics on where they're at in terms of term and cost and everything
01:22like that.
01:24But Jeremy Swayman, not at camp.
01:25They have yet to come to any sort of agreement.
01:28By the sounds of it, it doesn't sound like they're very close.
01:32Where are you at with this whole situation?
01:34Oh, like, well, it's hard to have a real full opinion, right?
01:42Like that's and and I've got I was I held out in like 06.
01:47It was a different time, a different place, different world.
01:53But it, you know, it's it a lot of it comes down to what you feel you're worth and what
02:01the team feels you're worth and what the league thinks you're worth.
02:04And you're just going around and looking at comparables and what other people have.
02:09And then you're trying to shoehorn that into the team aspect of that.
02:16So like, it's I get it.
02:19I think like I understand why this is a little more difficult, because there really isn't
02:28anything to point at any other player to point at any other goaltender to point at and say,
02:34OK, that's me.
02:37You're Jeremy Swayman, excuse me, had an unbelievable season last year.
02:41Of course, an unbelievable finish was just so fantastic in the playoffs and deserves
02:47to be one of the considered one of the top 10 goalies, probably seven or six or seven.
02:53But we'll say 10 for for even sake.
02:56But and this is the big but is that he's never played more than 43 games in a regular season.
03:04So as great as that playoff run was when you're an NHL organization, you're looking at the
03:10top 10 goalies. And if you looked at all other top 10 or top seven, top six, I I'm pretty
03:17sure they've all played more than 43 games in the regular season.
03:20So then you're backing on the other side of it on the team side.
03:23You're saying, well, how can we go to number one or number two or number three top paid
03:28goaltender in the National Hockey League when we haven't done that yet?
03:32So I guess it's a long winded answer of saying I'm not surprised they're at the spot.
03:38I did think they were going to find a compromise quicker, but it seems as though, you know,
03:47it seems as though one or both sides need a little bit more pressure to get where they
03:53need to get to and find the middle.
03:55Yeah, I look at the situation and I like you during the summer, I thought this was going
04:00to be wrapped up, you know, probably right before camp or a couple days in.
04:03And by the way, we're recording on day two, so it could happen on day three or four.
04:07It could happen. And I think, you know, people are panicking.
04:12Obviously, the trade stuff pops up.
04:14We'll get into that.
04:16I still think that I think he definitely wants to be here.
04:23I think it's clear he wants a long term deal here, which obviously means he wants to be
04:27here. So I still think in the next two to three weeks, something gets done.
04:32The problem, though, and you know, this is it's important for a goalie to be in training
04:38camp and to be playing and to be getting those reps, especially with their own teammates,
04:42practice reps, all that stuff.
04:46I know you mentioned oh six.
04:48What exactly happened with that?
04:49Because that was a little bit a little bit before my time.
04:52So, yeah, so I was I was maybe a week like it wasn't it wasn't long.
04:57It didn't really affect anything.
05:00I know I know I wasn't around at least the black white game, maybe maybe one exhibition
05:06game. And then but so so I would say, yes, the holdout doesn't become an issue physically
05:15for two weeks, I would say.
05:19But by the end of you're going to want five days of camp at the end where everyone's
05:24ramped because you can you can accelerate your ramp if you're Jeremy Swainman and if
05:29you're that good. And again, of course, he's skating and staying in shape and you can
05:34kind of miss these days.
05:35These days are chaotic.
05:37If anyone's gone to war, you're seeing the first days of training camp.
05:41They're chaotic for a goaltender, especially there.
05:43You're just trying to get through it.
05:45You've got three goalies rotating nets.
05:48You've got 100 people in the dressing room.
05:51It's more those last few games.
05:53You don't want to start the season without seeing an exhibition game because then you're
05:58chasing the first month.
05:59And if it doesn't go well, you don't get a puck bounce here and there that can start
06:04getting in your head a little bit.
06:06So so I think for a goaltender, it would be nice for that last week.
06:10But I don't think my sense is also like, well, I shouldn't say that.
06:18I think they both recognize that.
06:20I think they would both sides would have some kind of a deadline within training camp
06:25where it's a little more, a little more code red than what the first day of camp is.
06:31The first day of camp is just annoying for the team because everyone's got to answer
06:35it. We have to talk about it.
06:37Dawn has to go up there like that's OK.
06:40You know, Jeremy wins that one.
06:41And then but but there's got to be there's some point a drop, you know, a code red date
06:47where both sides are saying, OK, we really need you here now.
06:51And the player says, I really need to be there now.
06:54Well, it's what I mean, you heard Dawn Sweeney of the day mentioned December 1st as a
06:59potential deadline, and he mentioned it a couple of times.
07:01And I think a lot of people looked at the, you know, going in the deadline as, you know,
07:05at middle to end of camp.
07:07And they're mentioning December 1st, which, you know, again, he has to play before then
07:11to get a year of service time under his belt.
07:15Do we get into the regular season without a deal done?
07:19Uh, I think, well, that December one is just the best way for Dawn Sweeney to put it,
07:27because if he said middle of training camp, if he said the regular season opener, guess
07:33what? Guess what he has to do?
07:35He has to go have another press conference and explain why it's not done again.
07:39So this the when I heard him say December one a couple of times, I heard him being very
07:46matter of fact, I heard him being very black and white that this is when this is how long
07:51we have to. And on December 2nd, we can talk about whether he whether he's in the
07:57lineup or not. But until then, we're going to try and get this thing done behind doors.
08:01And you guys will be the third to know when it's actually done.
08:05But but let's not talk about it till till then.
08:08Yeah. And he almost puts a little of the onus on Swayman's camp as like, you know, you
08:13don't want to be here.
08:14You know, we don't want to be at the negotiating table around Thanksgiving being like,
08:18all right, we got to hash this out.
08:20Like, unless or you lose a full year.
08:24And again, we're also again, we're on day two.
08:27So this this might be talking scenarios, right?
08:31Like, that's what we do.
08:32And that's that's that's what you have to do.
08:34But but I think and I'll say it now, I'll probably say it right as we're closing the
08:39show, that that is what this gets done in a five minute conversation.
08:44Both sides know exactly where they're at.
08:47They've talked to Don's point.
08:49It's not like they're not talking.
08:50I'm sure they're having a little phone call every day or every other day.
08:55They have a bad meeting.
08:56They might let it go two days just to let things calm down.
08:59But you're you're talking all through this player, agent, agent, player, agent, team,
09:05player, team in some scenarios.
09:07So, again, yeah, this gets done in a five minute conversation.
09:11So it is it is only day two, but we have to do it.
09:15You've been through this.
09:17How do those conversations go?
09:19I imagine it's you with your agent saying, I want this and him saying, you know, you're
09:23worth this. Don't move off this.
09:25And, you know, the GM, how does that work?
09:28I mean, it's not all sitting in a room together all the time because the agent is
09:31often out doing other things at other events.
09:34I see them at the every event that you and I are at every weekend.
09:39So it is over the phone.
09:40How do those how can those go down?
09:43Um, any number like it's exactly what you would think.
09:48I think it's one conversation.
09:53You can feel like you're really getting steam.
09:55You got off the phone and then you're like, yeah, all right, we're moving.
10:00This is starting to go the right way.
10:01And then the you follow up with that conversation and then it feels like you're never
10:07going to get it done. It's like, oh, we're going back to square one.
10:10You know, I don't like these guys.
10:11What are they doing? They're screwed.
10:13You know, you get a lot of that.
10:14So it's really and that's why I say it's a five minute call because it is day to day
10:21and some days feel really good and some days feel really bad and really far away.
10:26And I think that's why you get some of these reports, too.
10:28Right. It's if a player or an agent or a team, any of these three entities of this get
10:37off the phone and have a really bad day, you're going to tell someone's going to find out
10:42about that probably. And that's a way to like move this situation along as well.
10:47It's but so again, it's it's fickle.
10:51It's really fickle because of what's at stake and how much pressure is on everybody and
10:57how emotionally it really it is emotional, like there's no way around it.
11:02And of course, it's business, not personal, but it's it's emotionally business, emotional.
11:09Well, I think it's hard not to take it personal.
11:11And that's where, like, you know, you look at the arbitration hearing last year and again,
11:14the Bruins consistently say he took us to arbitration.
11:17But still to hear those things about, you know, if I said, Andrew, you know, you think
11:21you're worth X, but, you know, you had those three bad games in December and you were bad
11:28on your blocker side, blah, blah, blah.
11:29And it's like that sucks to hear.
11:31So I get that end of it.
11:33I think some where people are sort of annoyed or not everybody, but, you know, some are
11:37annoyed with just like, you know, the talking about it and things and that it's and that
11:41there might be kind of a longer wait to sign something.
11:45And I think it's Swayman kind of just digging in his heels or his side, at least digging
11:49in their heels a bit.
11:50Yeah, that's that's that's what it feels like, because, you know, and we've you know, again,
11:58we've only really heard from Don recently.
12:01So it's easy to listen to that and say, OK, Jeremy is the one really digging in on this.
12:07He's the one not showing up.
12:09So you assume he's really digging on this.
12:11But but, you know, somewhere there's there's there's somewhere in him and with his agent
12:16where they're saying this is what we're worth.
12:18And and it's the Bruins that are digging in, you know, like and that's that's where the
12:22worst happens.
12:23Right. And that's where the miscommunication can happen at times.
12:27And I would say, too, like it does as much as it's, you know, the entire Bruins
12:33organization can get personal just as much as a player like I've seen and been around
12:38teams and like where the team takes it personally, what a player is doing as well.
12:43So it can go both ways.
12:45Again, I don't think we're at any of these situations where it's it's DEF CON and
12:50they're ready to be, you know, it I don't think it's gotten to the arbitration type
12:57personal level.
12:58I don't get that sense.
13:00I haven't you know, I haven't really dug in a lot because it is sensitive, but I don't
13:04get that sense that that that's what's happening right now.
13:07I think there's still the the the pressure cooker hasn't hit high yet.
13:14But it hasn't.
13:15It has. I think people are coming off that Sweeney press conference and seeing that
13:19clearly he's angry about that.
13:21They're not, you know, they're not where he wants them to be.
13:24He's not, you know, he's not signed.
13:26I get why he's not participating in training camp.
13:28I mean, he's not signed yet.
13:29Like that, that makes sense to me.
13:31I like some people I see on Twitter being like, why isn't he there?
13:34It's like, well, because he's not signed.
13:35Like, are you going to go play?
13:37Are you going to go do something that you for somewhere that you don't actually work
13:42at? Like are you Kramer and Seinfeld when he when he goes to Brant Leland?
13:46Like, no, you're not going to do that.
13:48He doesn't technically work for them right now.
13:50So there is that I want to dive deeper into this because you have a very interesting
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15:51Now, back to the show.
15:53So you mentioned sort of that five minute call where it could be cleared up a bit.
15:59And, you know, is that one side kind of saying we need to come to an agreement?
16:04You know, we'll try to make some concessions.
16:07You know, obviously time is of the essence.
16:09You know, I would assume Swayman wants to come back with a good amount of camp left,
16:15definitely before the season starts.
16:17Is that what it is?
16:18One side saying, all right, we'll up our offer or it's, you know, Swayman's camp saying,
16:22all right, we'll take a little bit less than we would have asked for.
16:24Is that how that can kind of come down?
16:27Yeah, it's that.
16:29You know, a lot of times too, it's a little creativity.
16:34And that's really what, especially the agents, that's what they get.
16:38This is their money.
16:39These are the deals that every player that they do have to do at some point.
16:44And they have to get creative when they hear what the team's offering.
16:47They hear what their player wants.
16:50Okay, how do we...
16:52And again, 8x10, 8x6, it's easy to say 8x8.
16:59That's not how it works.
17:03Then you go 5x7.5, you go 3x9, you get creative within that as you talk to the team,
17:12as you talk to the player, and as you go through this process,
17:17both sides start thinking about, okay, how do we make it fair
17:21where both of us feel like we're winning?
17:23Both of us feel like we can get the maximum amount of out of this.
17:28And a lot of it's...
17:31You start with salary, you go to term, then you go to the bonuses,
17:36and you see how a lot of these deals are structured now,
17:38where everyone's getting it up front.
17:41And as a player, okay, how much more is it worth if I get all this money up front
17:46and I have it in an account at 5% for the next 8 years?
17:49How much more money...
17:50Like you talk to the financial advisor, you talk to the lawyers.
17:53So a lot of times it just comes down to creativity where
17:58you make it sound as a player, you're not losing.
18:06So you go to the team, okay, this kind of works for us.
18:09What do you think of this?
18:10Where can we go off of this?
18:12And it's not just...
18:13So you're not just ramming your head against the wall over and over again,
18:17going from 8.6 or 8.10, just trying to hammer down it.
18:21Well, why don't you just go 8.8?
18:23It doesn't...
18:23It's not that.
18:24It's more of that creative aspect where, okay, when's the money coming in?
18:29What's the signing bonus?
18:31What's the turn?
18:31Let's try and...
18:33Let's go off of a 4...
18:34What's a 4-year deal look like for you guys?
18:36What's a 5-year deal look like for you guys?
18:37What's a 6?
18:38So you go kind of through all those stages.
18:40And that's usually what cracks open the door enough to be
18:45that creativity that especially the agent,
18:48but also the teams come up with that sometimes where it's like,
18:50okay, what do you think of this?
18:52And let's do that.
18:53And that's any of the negotiations.
18:55I've been...
18:56Any of my friends, like the players that you talk to,
18:59usually when it's a bit of a stalemate,
19:02it's something that's a little bit different
19:04that neither have really come to the table with that gets it done at the end.
19:09Yeah.
19:09And also as an agent, your worst fear is you get your player to a relative...
19:15A deal that he's not...
19:16That he's worth more than.
19:18And in a year, you're not his agent anymore.
19:20Like I think there's also that end to it too.
19:23Well, that's the big...
19:25That's what's caused some of this is that the cap is actually going to fly up
19:31and everybody knows it, but it's really hard to still put a value on it.
19:36And what it's going to look like in three or four or five years.
19:39And that's really the sticking point, I think, for this one is what...
19:44There's just, again, it goes back to the comparables
19:47in that there's really no comparable to where this salary caps been
19:51coming out of pandemic and COVID and what those last deals have been done.
19:56It's just a different...
19:58It's a different environment.
19:59And that's adding to this a little bit too is what that cap...
20:02If it caps over 100 million in three years,
20:05it's just going to be a different environment all around.
20:09Yeah.
20:09And I think you hear him, like he went on that podcast like a month ago
20:13and mentioned, you know, I want to set the standard for goalies.
20:15I think we can both agree that he is not in a position yet to really set a true standard.
20:20But I understand where he's coming from in the sense that if the cap goes way up
20:25and he takes, you know, seven or eight, you know,
20:28six and a half, seven million on a long, long term deal now.
20:32It's probably not going to look good.
20:34It's not going to look good.
20:35And I think they understand that as we understand that.
20:39So there is that.
20:39Of course.
20:39And listen, the Bruins understand that too, right?
20:42But they have to do the business.
20:44Like they can't just...
20:45Oh, yeah.
20:46It can't be willy nilly either.
20:48So, again, that's where it's like, I think, I think it's important for everyone.
20:52Like, I'm sure they all recognize that.
20:55And that wouldn't make anybody angry.
20:57It's just this is how it is.
20:59And we can't go to 15 million a year, even though you might be worth that in eight years.
21:05Or what if the cap's 150 million, then you are worth that right now.
21:08We don't, it's not how it works.
21:11Right.
21:11And that's, again, that's a sticking point, which has caused more just, you know,
21:16just made this much tougher.
21:18And I think that's why you hear, you know, the reports of him wanting, like,
21:21the McAvoy deal of nine and a half million.
21:23And we all look at that and go, you're not near nine and a half million right now.
21:27But if that's an eight year deal in two or three years when the cap is much higher,
21:32and, you know, presumably he's better or has, you know, at least played more,
21:37maybe he is worth way more than nine and a half.
21:39And guys like Shusterkin are getting way past that.
21:42That's the thing.
21:42But it's hard to do that right now.
21:44It's hard to do that in this environment.
21:46And to do that, which is why I think ultimately, you know,
21:49I know they say they're continuing to work on a long term deal.
21:52To me, it feels like this is going to be like a four year deal
21:55or sort of like a not a prove it deal, but sort of, you know,
21:59four years somewhere in the seven range.
22:03Do it, you know, play well under that and then get a much bigger contract down the road.
22:08And we can get into sort of projections and all that stuff.
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23:45So obviously, like, you know, projection-wise, salary, you know, contract-wise,
23:50everyone's kind of debating, what's he worth?
23:52What is the right number?
23:53And I think it's so hard, as we've sort of illustrated, because, you know, he's 25.
23:59He's young.
24:01What he's worth now is not what he's going to be worth in three years, for better or worse.
24:04He could be, you know, he could crumble with no Lena Solmark, or he could,
24:08like what we expect him to be, is at least a top 10 goalie, potentially even top five.
24:13So if you, in a perfect world, what is his contract in your eyes?
24:19Or his next contract?
24:23So I guess, so the issue, and you just mentioned, like, the four-year deal.
24:29And that seems right.
24:33You look at the Ottingers, the Shusterkins, the Demkos, the Soroses have all had that
24:42four-year deal next.
24:43That's just what they've done.
24:45They've come off of their entry-level deal.
24:48They moved into their next deal.
24:49Proved themselves as a starter in the National Hockey League at a pretty high level.
24:54Then they went for the four- or five-year deal,
24:57knowing that they're going to be 30 on the back of it.
24:59And that'll be their last deal if they're great.
25:01If they're not great, they put money in the bank and they can go and get another
25:05three- or four-year deal and continue to be a starter in the NHL.
25:09So that's really probably the most likely scenario.
25:12And I think that's more likely because of not the impossible
25:22guesstimate of what the cap is going to look like eight years from now.
25:27I just feel, too, and you just mentioned before the break, that seems most logical.
25:34Now, again, maybe they have to be creative off of that one year earlier, one year behind.
25:41I don't know.
25:43That's where you get into the minutiae of the deal and exactly how much you're taking
25:47off the table, how much you're putting on the table.
25:49Like all the numbers get really in the weeds at that point.
25:54But it does feel, and I think common sense tells us all within the hockey world,
26:02that that four-year deal is probably the easiest way to get this done.
26:07Yeah.
26:07It feels that way in terms of he can get a little bit of a higher payout and you get
26:13the whole idea of, hey, three years from now, we'll go back to the negotiating table and you'll
26:18be a totally different goalie and better numbers.
26:21That's the other thing.
26:22His highest he's ever ranked in Vesna voting is seventh.
26:25He's played no more than 43 regular season games in a season.
26:27He's been in a tandem.
26:28He had that great playoff, those two rounds this year.
26:31But to be a true standard setter, I think, is asking a lot right now.
26:38As a former player, when Brad Marchand spoke at captain's practice a couple weeks ago,
26:43he mentioned, we don't talk about contracts, things like that.
26:46And some people thought that might be kind of a thinly veiled shot at Jeremy Swain and
26:49this and that.
26:50We're not going to get into that stuff.
26:52But I wonder if you, as a former player and as a former goalie, I don't remember.
26:59I mean, there must have been guys on your teams that had long contract negotiations
27:03or testy ones.
27:05But if this does move in to later than the middle of training camp and it's getting close
27:10to the regular season or gets into the regular season, do guys in that room start to go,
27:15come on, dude, sign the freaking contract?
27:19Or is it the other way where it's like, no, get what you're worth.
27:23Go set that standard.
27:27So you're going to get both of those things, but not at a high temperature.
27:35It's going to be in passing.
27:37It's going to be a roll of the eyes one way or the other while you're having lunch.
27:43Yeah, no one's really going.
27:44No one really digs into other people's business.
27:48And it's a cliche, and I hear it a lot.
27:51You hear players talk about it, but it's at least when I was around when I played again,
27:56the young guys might change a little.
27:58They might talk about it a little bit more.
28:01But when I was in dressing rooms and guys were going through it, you're pretty respectful
28:05of both sides.
28:07Of course, one side is paying your bills, and the other side could be you next year,
28:12the year after.
28:14It could always be you.
28:15You could always be in that.
28:16And so I think what you hear from guys is pretty typical.
28:21Again, the Brad Marshall comment, again, I'm sure he has his views.
28:26I'm sure he's said them to somebody, whether it's his buddies at home or his wife or someone
28:32asking him that he trusts, he probably gives them the real, this is what I think.
28:36But in the dressing room, you're pretty respectful of both sides and the business as usual.
28:45If the Bruins lose the first three games and Swayman's not there, I don't think anyone's
28:48going to look at each other and say, hey, this guy's screwing us.
28:52I never heard that.
28:55And again, you might think, man, it'd be nice to have him or that kind of stuff.
28:58But again, once the games start going, you're more worried about winning and losing rather
29:03than who's not here.
29:05Yeah.
29:05And it's funny because you hear people kind of speculating like, oh, if the Bruins start
29:09the season and the Corpus Allo-Bussey tandem is great, you can trade Jeremy Swayman.
29:14And it's like, no, I don't think it's that easy.
29:17And I think you're expecting a lot out of a tandem with Bussey, who's never played an
29:21NHL regular season game.
29:22And Corpus Allo is coming off a tough year in Ottawa.
29:25It's hard to sit here and project that because it could easily go the other way.
29:29Yeah, they're two separate things, right?
29:30It's two separate things.
29:31It's that if they go on a 10-game run at the start of the season, that's great.
29:36But I don't think it really affects.
29:38And if they go 0-4, yeah, it might put a little more leverage on both sides.
29:42But at the end of the day, and it comes all the way back to the start for us, is that
29:46both of these groups want to get this done.
29:49Jeremy wants to get it.
29:50He's here.
29:51He wants to get it done.
29:52He's not trying to go somewhere else.
29:53And the Bruins want to get this done.
29:55They're not trying to find someone else.
29:57So I think that's the starting point that when you have those kinds of conversations
30:02on what the season starts, I think you go back to that and know that everyone wants
30:07this deal done one way or the other.
30:09If they get down to it, again, we're speaking ahead of time, ahead of where we actually
30:15are.
30:15But if things got to the regular season and things sort of soured and no one was giving
30:21an inch, could you see the Bruins threatening to trade him, potentially, to sort of want
30:29him to get to the negotiating table better?
30:32I mean, again, certainly not publicly.
30:36We're not going to hear it.
30:37Like, that's not...
30:38Yeah, yeah.
30:39So, but no, I don't think...
30:40I don't think Spade's going to come out and be like, all right, we're threatening to go
30:43to Utah.
30:44No, I don't think that helps anybody.
30:46I really don't.
30:47I don't think that.
30:48I don't think teams do that.
30:50I don't think they...
30:52Toronto Maple Leafs did that to William Nylander a year and a half ago.
30:56Like, I don't think that that's a good way of doing business.
31:00So, no, I don't think that that's on the table in any way whatsoever.
31:05If they've said they're not going to trade them, then I don't think they're going to
31:07use that as a ploy at some point.
31:09Yeah, the trading stuff I keep coming back to of like, this is a franchise pillar.
31:14This is your franchise goalie.
31:16You've drafted him.
31:17You've developed him.
31:18You expect him to be the guy.
31:20Yeah.
31:20I don't think you trade him out of spite.
31:23You don't go, all right, we're going to deal you to Anaheim just because.
31:25We're going to show you.
31:27It's like, okay, well, then show them.
31:28The Anaheim Ducks are going to get a great goalie.
31:30Like, why would...
31:32That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
31:33Unless, of course, it really sours and things go south and then that's a whole nother thing.
31:39But to me, the trading element you consistently hear, I look at and go, I'm not anywhere near
31:45that because I still think they get this deal done in the next couple of weeks.
31:47We're two months from that.
31:50It's like, it really is pointless, I think, to talk like to...
31:55And not to like, you know, poo-poo anybody.
31:59I'm just...
31:59Yeah, it's not even...
32:00I don't even think...
32:01I wouldn't...
32:02It doesn't even cross my mind that for a long time.
32:05Because again, there's a lot of time for the...
32:08The pressure would have to be astronomical to get to that point.
32:12And it's nowhere near that.
32:14Again, missing a couple...
32:15Missing the fitness testing at training camp is a blip once this deal gets done.
32:21No one will remember.
32:23Yeah.
32:23And once it's done, we're not talking about it for a long time.
32:27That's right.
32:27Exactly.
32:28Because Lord knows, we all want this to get out of the way.
32:32We talked about this all summer.
32:33Talking about this now.
32:36Razor, obviously, season's starting.
32:38Morning Brew, I assume, is getting right back into gear.
32:41What can people look forward to from you this season?
32:45Back at Nessun, so that'll be great.
32:47We're just working through the schedule.
32:49Maybe get on a road trip or two.
32:50But pretty much status quo, like you said.
32:53Morning Brew will be up and running again, which will be great.
32:57And yeah, just lots of Nessun.
32:59Lots of, like you said, watching minor little kids play hockey.
33:05Not little kids, teenagers.
33:06Yeah, they're getting there.
33:07They're getting there.
33:07I know.
33:07I keep saying, well, my guy's a little littler than everybody else.
33:10Yes, he's smaller.
33:11But he's getting there, too.
33:12He's getting there, too.
33:13He's a goalie.
33:14He's a goalie, for those who don't know.
33:15He's a goalie, taking after his dad.
33:17I imagine it's stressful as hell.
33:19Check out Evan's article on him.
33:20How about that?
33:21I'll plug both of you for that.
33:23Wherever you can find that.
33:25I did mention Mason on New American Hockey Journal.
33:28Anyways, Razor, it's been a pleasure.
33:30Thank you for your insight.
33:31This has been great.
33:32And that's been this week's Bruins Beat.
33:34I'm Evan Maranofsky, Bruins Beat listeners.
33:35Have a great rest of your week.