怪物：梅内德斯兄弟的故事 03
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00:00You
00:22Laura Jerry
00:25Jerry oh
00:28You need to come back home right now. What what are you talking about? No right now? What the fuck?
00:40How many square feet is the kitchen 380 square feet parking in the back four spaces
00:50That's fucking great, I mean
00:54Part of Westwood perfect
01:03Hello guys, what's happening my man? How's the restaurant?
01:19What the fuck is going on
01:23Dr.. Ozil as I explained to your wife we have been granted a lawful court order to search your home on what fucking grounds well
01:30We have come to believe that there are relevant tape recordings related to the murder of Jose and Kitty Menendez
01:37Who told you that he recorded their sessions?
01:40He got their confessions all on tape
01:43We're talking hours and hours of them talking about how they planned it why they did it if they felt any remorse
01:50Let's just say a credible source
01:55Not now
01:58I would like to make it clear that I in no way violated the confidentiality of my patients
02:03Nor was I aware this search was going to take place as is evidenced by the state of undress of my wife
02:09And the fact that I was we understand that doctor now
02:14Where are the tapes?
02:20Oh
02:22Well, what is this fucking take it?
02:24Okay
02:24If the cops are gonna fucking arrest me then I'm gonna need you guys to bail me out
02:28And then I need you to call my attorney Jerry Shay with Lyle. I think you're being paranoid
02:31No, I'm not fucking being paranoid Glenn those cops. Don't think that Eric and I killed our fucking parents
02:36I don't even know who the fuck else they've been talking to I
02:39Mean they probably talked to my therapist to zeal of course he can't fucking tell him shit because he's not a patient confidentiality
02:43Fuck those cops look
02:45It's not your fault that they can't find the real killer if the police are able to somehow get around the fucking
02:51Confidentiality thing and then they get their hands in those fucking tapes, then I am
03:02Do you think
03:05Your mother deserved to die I
03:08Don't think we ever thought about it like that. Yeah, it was more like well if we're gonna kill our dad we
03:14Should probably just kill our mom, too
03:18Did one of you feel differently about killing your mom? No, absolutely not
03:24There's no way that I was going to make a decision to kill my mother without Eric's consent
03:29I didn't even want to influence him on the issue. I just let him sleep one for a few nights
03:36Okay, Eric, yeah, we had to kill her
03:43I
04:14Oh
04:23Okay, who's up for some lunch come on come on yeah, let's go ready. I'm fucking starving
04:28Sick ride man. You get a good deal. Hey Glenn. Yeah, shut the fuck up
04:32Yeah, dude, what are you getting your Porsche out of the shop tomorrow?
04:44Oh
05:02Get out of the car get out of the car
05:05Get on your knees on your knees down the stomach your hands behind your back. Don't move
05:14Oh
05:16Joseph Lyle Menendez, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law
05:22You have the right
05:30Jerry you said that they couldn't arrest us. You said they couldn't touch us
05:36Well, it seems they do now and apparently the DA agrees
05:44Yeah
05:45Okay. Well then what am I supposed to do Jerry tell me listen, I'm gonna call my buddy Robert Shapiro top criminal attorney
05:53He can help us handle this
05:55Okay, in the meantime drop out of your tennis tournament and get the hell out of Israel
06:00Last thing you want is to be arrested by Interpol thrown into some Middle Eastern jail where your constitutional protections don't apply
06:13Oh
06:34Jesus Christ can't live in that. Well, he's about to now get in
06:43Oh
06:45Oh
07:12It's okay you don't have to handcuff me sorry
07:16It's regulation
07:17You have the right to remain silent anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law
07:23You have the right to an attorney. You cannot afford an attorney one will be provided for you
07:45Oh
08:15Oh
08:33Wow, hey, well, is that you
08:39Oh
08:43When'd you get back to LA a
08:47Couple hours ago cops picked me up at LAX. I was so greedy. I thought that maybe you might
08:54Try to flee and I don't know I thought that I might never see you again, of course I was coming back
09:03You're my brother
09:08What are we gonna do
09:11Wow, what are we gonna tell people? Hey, it's just us now II
09:18We're on our own
09:24So that's part plus from that shampoo and conditioner
09:30No, no, I said not aquanet because they
09:33Just keep that shit in here you can make it into a torch evidently and I need moose anyway
09:37So, please just tell Jamie Jamie knows what to get
09:45Okay, we're making fast because he's fucking phones Robert it's like impossible to get any goddamn dimes in here
09:50We just have to tell them a more compelling story than the prosecution. Okay, it was the five families
09:56I mean, that's a very vague story. Okay, well then
09:59You know focus on one of the families like what's the one the Bambinos focus on them
10:08Robert what I need is fucking dime. So can you can you get on that please?
10:14Yeah, I brought down. Yeah, he sucked my dick
10:19candy
10:29Gonna eat
10:34Can I have your milk
10:45That dude over there won't stop staring at me don't I'm gonna get killed in here
10:59I
11:03Just feel like if we can get through this we can get through anything
11:06Yeah, so listen a the the boost right and then the wick tape and seriously
11:12Fucking died scrimmage. I'm like five guys. We're gonna get balls and balls of them. Hey Eric, you want to talk to Jamie?
11:19I need wig tape. Okay, it's called top stick the wig it attaches to hooks, but it's the tape that keeps the edges down
11:27It's that stays on
11:35Hey, I said milk in that toilet, that's where I keep it cold
11:43You can't just drink milk, okay the food makes me wanna puke while what am I supposed to do?
11:51Yeah, as many of those as you can get
11:56He's gonna like clean his body with I mean, hopefully I think that he's scared of the showers
12:12Fucking dummy with the tape can't clean it right in here while it's not my toothbrush
12:18Then
12:24Here's $50 this will get you all the dimes you need
12:44We had absolutely nothing to do with the murders
12:47Listen to me, I'm not giving you 100 fucking dollars for nine dimes
13:03Now this noose is $9.99 and I will give it to you for two dimes
13:18I
13:22Was here used to scare me, but they don't anymore. I just wait 20 minutes to everybody else is done. They're not going
13:28The showers all to myself
13:38Hey
13:42We need fucking walls and walls
13:47Gotta find a way to sneak it in here because
14:17I
14:47You
15:17You
15:34See you're out. Yeah, see ya
15:37You
15:45And with two pieces a day I can kind of make it look okay, but I really need more like for
15:51The brand is called top stick
15:53And then I also need something. This one's really important Bain du Soleil
15:58Bain du Soleil as much of that as you can get
16:01Bain du Soleil, what is that? It's self-tanner
16:07Look at him
16:09He looks like a fucking ghost. We both do it's the lights in here. They leech the vitamin D out of your bones
16:15Hey, where are we with Castro?
16:17Is there any movement on that because you know everything with my father it all fucking comes back to Cuba
16:22You you you were just saying this the other day. Were you not? Yeah, I guys just think that we got to get real here
16:28I don't think you get what's going on here
16:32We have to talk about your case not about self-tanner and toupee see this makes me think that you don't understand what's going on here
16:38Mr. Shapiro because this is
16:401990 it's a new era and this case is going to be on television
16:43Which means that the number one thing that I'm concerned about is how we look on camera because if we look the right way
16:49Right smart clean-cut whole lives ahead of us
16:52And there isn't a fucking jury on this planet that is going to believe that we did this because we didn't because we didn't
16:58Mmm, okay
16:59Well, let me tell you the number one thing. I'm concerned about
17:09Is that is that a sauna
17:13No, Eric
17:15It's a gas chamber
17:17It's built for two which is convenient. I
17:23Hate to break it to you too, but you're not sympathetic people
17:27You're rich and spoiled and that's the type of person folks love to hate. I mean your arraignment was a
17:35Disaster I
17:39Mean you look like psychopaths
17:45I told you to smile
17:47Be respectful
17:49Yes, your honor. No your honor, but no the lights were bugging out my eyes and I barely slept for days
17:56Guys
17:57We got to get serious. Okay, because this image thing you're trying to portray that train has left the station
18:04Folks have a very strong opinion of YouTube. We did not kill our parents
18:11Yes, yes, but John Q public thinks she did
18:14So if you want to avoid this
18:17This then I suggest we try a different strategy other than fake Tanner and blaming Fidel Castro
18:26I
18:35Mean you could always
18:43Now I just
18:45We haven't talked to you about what really happened. What the fuck are you talking? No, no, I'm not talking about that night
18:52We don't know what happened that night we were at the movies
18:56I'm just talking about the stuff that went on before that
19:09I'm sorry. Would you please give my brother and I just a brief moment with one another alone?
19:17I
19:20Thank you
19:30We are gonna talk about that I just think it could kind of help the journey understand
19:35It's like you said it does have to do with mom and dad stuff just happens sometimes Eric
19:41It's just being boys
19:48So
19:53I'm fired. That's that's what you're saying. That is exactly what we're saying
19:58You're not even defending them because they are impossible to defend
20:03And you fire me fine
20:06Here's some free advice the reason they were arrested is because there are audio tapes and
20:13And the police now, maybe they shouldn't have but they have listened to them
20:18So you need to open your eyes to the fact that Lyle and Eric story is full of holes and they might be guilty
20:32Look I'm the guy you hired to cut a deal. Okay, that's that's what I thought I was here to do
20:37So if you want to try to get them off
20:39I'm not your guy because I don't believe them and the jury won't believe them. So you need to find somebody else and
20:46You need to find a much better story or those boys of yours
20:50You're so convinced or innocent the state of California is
20:54Going to put them to death
20:59Best of luck to you
21:09That shit was almost a misdemeanor
21:12Five years ago it would have been
21:15but the new law
21:17five rocks
21:19That's a felony
21:21Then cuz I got a gun on me. Suddenly it's
21:24aggravated and
21:26I'm in here with you know
21:29murderers
21:33And here's you and me in here with him
21:36Yeah
21:39Innocent people
21:41Yes, that's just the way the system is I'm confused
21:46About you
21:49What do you mean well what you like you like dudes, right you gay, right?
21:56What no
21:59No
22:01I don't even like that word. Okay. Yeah fine me neither. You ain't gay, but I'm saying you like being with dudes, right?
22:12Because
22:16What I went through at home
22:19but I
22:22Like being around you
22:25Yeah, okay
22:27I
22:30Know who I am. I don't give a fuck and neither should you is all I'm saying
22:37It's okay to be who you are
22:40Yeah, not my family what did I do? I don't have anything
22:45What's this what I don't know
23:06Eric read this once then throw it away, but these are some things I've been thinking about
23:10I think mark should drive the portion of the prison loading dock
23:16I
23:18Then hop out believe the engine running
23:23We'll jump into the car and head to the 110
23:32See drawing below next our appearances I
23:38Think we should get plastic surgery. We need facelifts chin implants, maybe
23:43And of course we change our hair
23:49We'll need passports
23:52Visas, then we figure out where we're going. I
23:58Think we had to mark ages granddad's camp in Canada
24:01Just until the heat saw I think Toronto
24:05London Belgium
24:07Lebanon and then we settle in Colombia
24:11They like chicken wings there
24:15What
24:18What's this I don't know
24:20Lyle Menendez, please step out to the red line. What's going on?
24:24I said step out to the red line you need to tell me why what's going on
24:27I told you to step to the red line
24:29Hey
24:36They moved your brother to a different cellblock, I don't understand why
24:41Lyle says that he wrote you some kind of a letter we pass each other letters all the time
24:47this letter
24:49This one was an escape plan
24:52Eric
24:54Not good
24:56When is he coming back? They moved him there for good. Is there anybody in there?
25:02Maybe someone on your cellblock that you
25:06Do you think you could trust
25:13Yes
25:24Oh
25:50So, why exactly are you looking to adopt?
25:54Well, we've been talking about it for a while starting our own family
25:57I mean my wife has a has a granddaughter from a previous marriage and we didn't end up getting married until we were both in
26:04This woman doesn't need our entire life story
26:08Although on second thought maybe she does I guess that's how you guys determine who's fit to be good parents, right?
26:13Though if I'm being honest, I think all couples should have to prove they're fit to be good parents
26:18It is way too easy to have a kid
26:22Some couples they have a baby
26:25Neglect him abuse him treat him like scum and then 20 years later. I end up having to defend him by the looks of your
26:32profile miss Abramson
26:34You're a very successful attorney and as your husband mentioned you already have a grown daughter
26:40So I certainly don't need to tell you how hard it is being a mother
26:44Is there a reason why at this point in your life?
26:49You're ready to do that all over again
26:52Okay, here's an embarrassing confession I
26:57Don't actually remember being a mother. I mean, yes, of course, I remember it but it's all pretty hazy
27:04Adeline right before I started law school
27:06They just gotten divorced and it was all I could manage just to keep my head above water
27:12Not that I was a bad mother. I was not a bad mother
27:15Imperfect. Yes
27:17workaholic
27:19Guilty as charged
27:22But
27:24I feel that I'm at a point in my life now
27:29Where I could actually
27:32Enjoy being a mother
27:34where we're not feel like such a struggle and
27:39Because of my line of work I
27:42See what happens when kids don't get the nurturing they need
27:46So if I can raise a child
27:48And give them the love they need so that they never have to come across a criminal defense attorney like me then sign me up
27:57Even if it means having to change diapers for a couple of years
28:05Dominic you are exaggerating Sharon. You should know me well enough by now to know that I never
28:13exaggerated
28:14Okay, but evil you truly believe those Menendez boys are evil
28:19Yes, when you've stared evil in the face as I have it's something you never forget
28:26So you think they did of course they did it their classic
28:31sociopaths
28:33Especially the older brother his eyes are even more vacant than Klaus von Bülow's
28:39How can a child even think of doing something like that to a parent?
28:44Nothing much shocks me anymore Joyce what people are capable of
28:49The only thing that shocks me
28:52Disgusts me is that we have a justice system that puts the rights of killers and rapists
28:59over and above their victims the justice system is
29:02blatantly biased against defendants
29:05Especially if those defendants are black and brown and lack access to adequate counsel fair enough
29:10But in several of your biggest cases doubt as to your clients guilt isn't in dispute
29:15So you're saying only innocent people deserve a proper defense. No, I'm asking if
29:20Everyone is entitled to a Leslie Abramson defense
29:23Especially if they're being accused of capital murder capital punishment is an absolute moral travesty
29:29Not only is it immoral it is also barbaric
29:33Well, if it isn't the dragon lady who Leslie Abramson
29:39defense attorney to society's most
29:42Reprehensible when you're trying a murder case, you can't just take it at face value. You have to
29:49Determine the state of mind the person was in when they committed the crime that woman there
29:56She's the epitome of everything that's wrong with the legal system
30:01Were they mentally competent when they committed the crime?
30:05Were they cognitively impaired?
30:07Did they have reason to believe rightly or wrongly that their lives were in danger?
30:12Do you know she tried to help make a plea deal?
30:16For the man who murdered my daughter
30:20She has a pathological affection for guilty clients
30:24in particular
30:26In particular
30:28Guilty young men and if there's one thing the prosecution doesn't like it's nuance to them
30:36Every defendant is a nail that deserves to be hammered by the system
30:42It's easy to talk about justice. I mean, you don't know all the facts. So I guess you could say outrage is your middle name
30:52Actually believe it or not
30:56It's hope
31:09Dominic oh
31:12Hello Leslie odd seeing you here. It's true. It's not my usual scene the ladies who lunch crab
31:20That's much more your thing. I
31:22Read your client Rick Sanders's appeal motion got denied again. Looks like he's not getting off death row anytime soon
31:34I'm sure Dominic has been entertaining you ladies, you know apart from being a failed movie producer
31:40He's quite the raconteur. Just don't believe everything. He says he's prone to
31:46exaggeration
31:49Well, don't let us keep you Leslie, I'm sure somewhere there's a murderer in need of your assistance
32:02This is Leslie, hey Jerry, yeah, I just finished giving an interview
32:09Yes to a reporter. Oh, I don't hate all the
32:15Men
32:17Need I remind you I'm married to a reporter now, what's up?
32:23Of course I've heard of the case who hasn't wait what?
32:31Are you fucking kidding me?
32:33Miss Abramson think thank you for making the time to come in and meet all of us
32:38Jerry Taylor says that you're the best female criminal defense attorney in all of LA
32:41I'm sure you didn't say that Jerry wouldn't have said the best female criminal defense attorney
32:47He simply would have said I'm the best. Well, as you know, we just fired
32:53Robert Shapiro, we didn't feel that he was
32:55Good enough for for our boys. I know Bob. He's a fine lawyer, but he's not who you want for a case like this for him
33:03It's all about spinning the media narrative and hopefully cutting the best deal for his clients. I don't like cutting deals. I
33:11Prefer to fight because if you don't fight you don't win
33:17So you've worked on cases like this before
33:21Cases where the defendants are accused of killing and you still managed to win. I
33:27Recently defended a young man by the name of Arnel Salvatierra who admitted to killing his father
33:33He was up for first-degree murder
33:35Arnel and his siblings suffered years of
33:39Physical and psychological abuse at the hands of their father. He tortured them
33:46Now the prosecution wanted you to believe that Arnel was a monster
33:52That he carefully planned his father's murder for weeks and then shot him in his sleep in cold blood
33:57Well, that is not what I believe happened. I
34:01believe
34:03Arnel shot his father out of self-defense
34:06Should Arnel have waited until his father in one of his rages finally ended up murdering him
34:14or his mother
34:16or one of his siblings
34:19Like what happened to little Lisa Steinberg when her abusive father finally ended up murdering her. I wanted the jury to see
34:27That Arnel was not the monster on
34:31the contrary
34:33He was the victim
34:35If you convict Arnel a first-degree murder
34:38It will be as if his father's hand
34:42Will rise up from the grave and his final act of terrorism will be with you as his
34:50accomplices
34:52Arnel was acquitted of first-degree murder
34:56He was sentenced to three years probation
34:59And you could do that for Lyle and Eric. To be clear I'd only be defending Eric Lyle still needs to retain his own separate
35:06counsel
35:07But based on the documents I've read so far these boys do not deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison
35:13Let alone face the death penalty
35:16Now I can't guarantee you an outcome
35:20But I promise you I will put up one hell of a fight
35:29You
35:34When can you start perhaps we should discuss my fee first
35:48Imagine these last few weeks have been hard for you
35:51Alone in jail separated from your brother
35:54Yes, it's been
35:57A lot
36:08I'm sure you've heard what they've been saying about you and Lyle
36:11That you're a couple of spoiled rich kids who murdered your parents for financial gain
36:18And it's true
36:20You boys sure did partake in quite a bit of conspicuous consumption after the murders
36:26The cars the designer clothes the Rolexes the luxury condos a little excessive for retail
36:34therapy wouldn't you say
36:37The spending spree that was you and your brother's first mistake
36:42Then you had the poor judgment of trusting that scumbag. Dr. Oziel and confessed to him
36:49Then you let him record your sessions
36:53Then you threatened to kill him we were never gonna kill dr
36:57Seal, which is why it's now possible for those tapes to be entered into evidence and used against you at trial
37:03We didn't know we thought that they were gonna stay confidential then
37:06Apparently you and Lyle start telling people different versions of what happened. What?
37:12Were you boys that confident you were never gonna be arrested?
37:16Then when you boys finally are arrested and you show up in court you look
37:22Absolutely soulless and devoid of remorse another big mistake
37:32Although I guess your biggest mistake was killing your parents in the first place
37:41We didn't I read the letter Lyle wrote you that crazy insane escape plan but
37:49There was something else he wrote in there that caught my attention
38:00We alone know the truth
38:04We alone know the secrets of our family's past
38:19What does he mean by that
38:33I've hired dr. William Vickery. He's a forensic psychiatrist
38:37I want you to start meeting with him to talk about what happened and why Eric I know my strengths I can't
38:44You said it yourself. It was a mistake talking to dr. Oziel
38:46Well, that's because he's a prick who violated professional ethics and manipulated your trust. I assure you. Dr. Vickery is nothing like him
39:01Eric
39:03Now that I am your lawyer, I am NOT gonna let you make any more mistakes
39:11But I need you to be totally honest with me
39:16And to trust me
39:20It's the only way we're gonna win I
39:24Just can't stand the food. I've spent most of my life building my body up
39:30Trying to eat right
39:32I love that carbo loading
39:35And now this stuff Eric you're just wasting your money here. Okay?
39:40My job is to help you get to the bottom of all this
39:43But trust me when I say I cannot do that unless you start being honest with me like really honest
39:56Yeah
39:59It's just
40:05It's hard
40:07Try
40:10Try
40:15Okay
40:25Well
40:33We did do it
40:36Why would I we did
40:43But
40:50There was
40:57There was a reason
41:05I
41:16Those are notes from my last two sessions with Eric
41:32You gotta be kidding me
41:36I
41:40Talked to dr. Vickery, you know, that's okay
41:43I
42:04Want to thank you for telling the truth
42:08And I'm just gonna say that truth out loud now
42:14I
42:18You were sexually molested by your brother Lyle
42:32And this started when I
42:36Was little I mean goes like five or six
42:43And I thought that I kind of
42:47Liked it maybe at first then I didn't
42:52And when you didn't like it or maybe even when you thought you did
42:58How did it make you feel?
43:00Eric
43:03Well, I
43:05Never blamed him. No, no because
43:14I
43:18Because what Eric
43:21Because my dad did it to him
43:27Your father sexually molested your brother Lyle
43:31Yes, he told him it was it was like this is what the Spartans did and made you tough
43:37And I don't know how long he did it a while
43:40But I know that at some point
43:43Lyle told him to stop and he did
43:47And that time when stopped I remember when that happened I remember that time very vividly
43:57And why was that because that's when my dad started doing it to me
44:14Sweetheart
44:17It's okay, thank you for telling me that
44:22Thank you
44:24How could you even survive that tell me you just you just do it
44:31just do what you have to you avoid him and you
44:36You try to play along just so that it will go faster
44:39You get it over with you spring could sprinkle cinnamon on to his coffee or put it on his food
44:45Wait, why why cinnamon?
44:48it just made the
44:51That made it come taste better
44:56It didn't really work because
44:59He just started getting annoyed that there was cinnamon on everything
45:02and suddenly
45:04Started putting lemon juice on all of my food just that it would numb my taste buds or did that work?
45:12No, really
45:14but I had to keep trying just
45:18to
45:20change the lives that we were living and I
45:25Knew at some point that I was going to be willing to do anything
45:30just to
45:31Make it all stop
45:34I
46:34Don't know
47:04You
47:34You
48:04You
48:34You
49:04You
49:34You