The Jeremy Kyle Show (29 March 2018)
The Jeremy Kyle Show (29 March 2018)
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00:10On today's show, our first guest today, Kevin, is here for triple DNA results.
00:17Three potential kids, Marissa, 23, Maria, 22, Kyle, 25.
00:23Where were you for my 23 years? Nowhere.
00:26He made all the effort that he could.
00:28Shut up, Kyle. It's not your turn.
00:30You're pathetic. Grow up.
00:32I'm trying to put you in your place.
00:35I can't exactly get through to ignorant people that don't know how to perceive things.
00:39The only person who is ignorant is you.
00:43You and David are mates. You've had a relationship with her and he's had a relationship with her.
00:48And there's a baby five and a half months old.
00:51Yes, there is.
00:53Time is the father to that little girl, though.
00:55You can't say I'm the father. I can't be the father because you slept with me more times than me.
01:00We haven't done the DNA yet.
01:01The DNA test results show that the biological father to Kay's baby is...
01:22How many are you?
01:25Hold on!
01:28I can't tell you.
01:30Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:32I'm your first guest today. Kevin is here.
01:34Kevin, for triple DNA results.
01:39See how good I am, that's three.
01:40And a previous father to his three kids, Marissa, Maria and Kyle.
01:43He says he's sick of his daughter, Marissa, spreading malicious lies.
01:46He's not their dad and today wants to prove once and for all he is.
01:49He says he's 100% it will prove via DNA.
01:52But, in fact, the problem is their mum, Sue, had four affairs
01:57and he even walked in and they're having sex with another man on their sofa.
02:00Ooh!
02:03Kevin's on the Jeremy Carr Show, that way!
02:14Why are you here, kid?
02:15To prove I'm the father of Marissa's.
02:18Married to Sue for 27 years.
02:21Three potential kids, Marissa, 23, Maria, 22, Kyle, 25.
02:28Let's cut to the chase.
02:30You don't get on with your daughters, do you?
02:32Not Marissa, no.
02:34Why?
02:35Because she's always telling malicious lies.
02:37She told us that you said that you told her you weren't the father.
02:41I did at one point, yes.
02:42Why would you say that?
02:44Because I got sick and tired of my own family saying that she wasn't.
02:48I caught my wife with another man.
02:51Yes, I did.
02:52Please relay that story, cos that's not nice, is it?
02:55Er...
02:57I went out one night to do a disco.
02:59To do a disco? Yes.
03:01Were you, like, a DJ? Oh, yeah, I'm a DJ, yeah.
03:03DJ Double Decks? Er, yeah.
03:05Shut up! I used to be a DJ.
03:08You're not bothered at all, are you? Carry on.
03:10So you went out and you were pumping some tunes.
03:12Yeah, and I came back a bit earlier than I should have done.
03:17And what was going on?
03:18When I walked in the house,
03:20I'd just seen my wife and someone else on a bed settee in the living room.
03:26What, you saw him, actually?
03:28Yeah.
03:29AUDIENCE GROANS
03:31Look at me.
03:33She's just had one affair, she had four affairs.
03:36What's wrong with you people in the front...?
03:40If she had four affairs...
03:42Come on, Kevin, look at me, look at me, come on, give me a sign.
03:45If she had...
03:47Who is that?
03:50If she had four affairs, why did you forgive her?
03:53Come on, talk to me, why did you keep forgiving her?
03:56Because I love her.
03:58You had four affairs...
04:00You're actually saying I don't...
04:02Shut up, squeaking!
04:05You're saying I'm not sure if I'm...
04:08I'm not sure I'm their father,
04:10cos the mother who admits it had four affairs.
04:12That seems justified.
04:15Why did you...
04:17Why did you wait all that time?
04:21No.
04:22Why? Where were they?
04:24In care.
04:25Why were they in care?
04:27Because of neglect on the house.
04:29So neglect by you and your missus,
04:31so neglect by you and your missus,
04:33and you, the hurt person, should have been a good dad,
04:36but they weren't into care.
04:37Marissa's on the Jeremy Carr Show,
04:39this is the one you don't think she came!
04:51Oi! Oi!
04:52Don't even attempt to edit it out!
04:55What's that all about? Come on!
04:57All I can say is you're no dad of mine.
05:00If that's what you think...
05:03I'll tell you one thing, I've come here to do a DNA,
05:06and I hope you're not my dad.
05:08Do you know why?
05:09Because my dad, yeah, is in heaven.
05:11My adopted dad.
05:13Where were you for my 23 years?
05:15Nowhere!
05:16No, because I wasn't allowed to be.
05:18Yeah, you wasn't allowed to be, Dad,
05:20but that's besides the point, ain't it?
05:22No, this is the bit I don't understand.
05:24Let's get this out in the open, cos that's what this story is about.
05:27You're angry with him because you went into care, yeah?
05:30Yeah, which is reasonable. Of course.
05:32And that was because of neglect that you touched upon.
05:34Was Maria in care? Yes, she was.
05:36Was Kyle in care? Yes, he was.
05:38So, if the three of you were in care...
05:40No, no, there's only one as well.
05:42If you were in care because of neglect,
05:44which is what we've ascertained,
05:46if he's only 50% responsible,
05:48plus the fact that your mother had four affairs,
05:51which is why you're not sure if he's your dad,
05:54why are you giving it all to him and not her, for God's sake?
05:58Why is he getting it all?
06:00She's over there like this.
06:04Isn't she as responsible?
06:06Well, they're both as bad as each other.
06:08Then why are you giving it just to him?
06:10Well, if you didn't want a daughter, Dad,
06:12and you wanted to disown us, put something on the end of it.
06:16That's my line. You did say to my team, which is fair enough,
06:19you said, the problem is, when we came out of care,
06:21my mum has made an effort, he hasn't made any effort at all.
06:23That's your bugbear, isn't it?
06:25Talk to him, darling.
06:27He made all the effort that he could.
06:29Shut up, Kyle! It's not your turn!
06:31You're pathetic! Grow up!
06:32Why are you here today, babe?
06:34I'm here today to find out whether he is my dad or not.
06:37Sure.
06:38Because, obviously, my mum had an affair
06:40and it weren't four people, it was one.
06:42It's not great, though, is it, being done on the sofa
06:45while your old man's out swinging some tunes?
06:47Do you know what I mean?
06:49And the DNA doubts do not come from him.
06:51He needs a kick out the backside, absolutely,
06:53but the DNA doubts don't necessarily just come from Kevin,
06:56they come from the fact that around the time of conception,
06:58your mother had an affair. Fact, yes or no?
07:00Yes.
07:01Right, the other issue is, since you were put in care
07:03and they were both responsible for that,
07:05your mother's made more effort, so you're here today to say to him,
07:08why haven't you made more effort?
07:10Are you going to look at her or are you just going to look at the floor?
07:12Why, you mean no effort with us?
07:14I have made effort, Marisha.
07:15What? Made effort?
07:17Yes, I have. What, going on the fair for, like, one day?
07:20Going on the fair, for what does that mean?
07:22Yeah, he works on the fair and he's claiming benefit as well.
07:25You say...
07:26Ooh!
07:27What did you just say?
07:28He claims benefits, yeah, and he works on the fair part-time.
07:31Is that true?
07:33It's voluntary.
07:34What, working on the town?
07:35Voluntary, with money, Dad.
07:36No, it's not.
07:37Yeah, money, yeah, it is.
07:38I don't get paid for it.
07:39Yes, you do.
07:40Why don't you get off your backside and get a job that does pay
07:43and then you won't be on the town?
07:45APPLAUSE
07:48Are you on benefits? No, are you on benefits?
07:51I'm on benefits, yes.
07:53Yes, but why was you working on a bouncing castle on the fairground?
07:57No, I wasn't.
07:58Answer that question.
07:59I wasn't on benefits at that time, Ted.
08:01Yes, you was.
08:02No, I was not.
08:03Yes, you were.
08:04Sorry, and why was she working what?
08:05She was working on a bouncing castle.
08:07A bouncing?
08:08No, a bouncing castle.
08:09I thought you were a bouncing castle.
08:11We're bouncing everywhere, the castle.
08:12A bouncy castle.
08:13Why don't you all just get paid for your jobs
08:15so you don't have to work your backsides all the time?
08:17And why do you think that's funny?
08:19Hold on.
08:20Why do you think that's funny?
08:21I'll tell you why people like you think it's funny, shall I?
08:23Because people like you think the rest of the world
08:25should pay for you to do absolutely zilch
08:27and that's what's wrong with this country.
08:29No, it's not.
08:30Yes, it is.
08:31When was the last time you worked and earned money?
08:33Oi!
08:34When was the last time you earned money?
08:39A few years ago.
08:40Yeah.
08:41How many kids did you have that went into care, Kev?
08:43Five.
08:44Five boys.
08:45What does that say about you as a father?
08:47It doesn't sound very good, does it?
08:49It's disgusting, you selfish, complete...
08:51I mean, what do you expect people to say?
08:53This girl's here saying,
08:54look, but you've got to understand, he's your mother in part,
08:56that's why there's doubt about DNA,
08:58but the other issue is how he hasn't treated you.
09:00Now, after the break, your sister Maria's coming out.
09:02Yeah.
09:03She's on your side, but Kyle is your son.
09:05You've said he's the special one, he's the spoiled one,
09:07but he was in care as well,
09:08so why has he managed to get rid of all the anger
09:10if you two haven't?
09:11And then next, don't go anywhere, right back.
09:13The reason Mum had an affair
09:15is because of the way you treat her,
09:17and you treat her like...
09:19One question I'd like to say, Jeremy,
09:21but you ain't asked.
09:22Have you asked me if I've had an affair?
09:25Beyond the wife.
09:42It's all kicking off, security.
09:50This test says you're a liar, love.
09:54This isn't about you, this is about your children.
09:56Oh, here we go.
09:58OK, more happiness up.
10:03Oh, get off!
10:04No, no, no, no, no!
10:09Oh, my Lord.
10:11I think Phyllis Scofield has to put up with this.
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10:42CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
10:48Thank you very much, everyone.
10:49I'd like to talk about Kevin and Marissa.
10:51Why are you here today, Marissa? Come on, help me out.
10:53I'm here for DNA to prove whether he is my dad or if he isn't.
10:57Taken into care and you freely admit that your mother had an affair
11:00around the time of conception.
11:02That would relate as well to your sister, Maria,
11:04who's a year younger.
11:05Maria's on The Jeremy Carl Show. That way.
11:07CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
11:12The reason my mum had an affair is because of the way you treat her
11:16and you treat her like utter...
11:19The reason my mum had an affair is because he treated her badly.
11:22Why didn't she raise her standards and leave with her children?
11:25Why did she do that?
11:28Serious question.
11:29Because I'm not having a go at you,
11:31but presumably that's why there's DNA doubt, Maria. Yeah.
11:34Is this more about you two would wish he wasn't your father
11:39because, after care, your mum at least, bless her, made an effort
11:43and he hasn't? Yeah. Tell him.
11:45Mum's made all the effort in the world for us.
11:47What was it like growing up without your dad? Tell him.
11:51Quite horrible.
11:54You're as cold as anything you are, aren't you?
11:56No, I'm not. Yes, you are.
11:58No, I'm not, because I know what you went through, Maria.
12:01No, you don't, you haven't. Yes, I do.
12:03You don't, mate. We were going through school saying,
12:06our parents didn't love us, yeah?
12:08And after that, yeah, you didn't turn up to our meeting in...
12:12When was it?
12:13You didn't turn up to our meeting
12:15at Slytherin Discovery Park in Colville, yeah?
12:18Left all of us kids crying.
12:20Yeah, but that wasn't my fault. I couldn't...
12:23What is your fault, Kev?
12:25No, cos you're out...
12:27What is your fault? What do you take responsibility for?
12:30You created them and it's not your responsibility.
12:33Yes, and we did everything we possibly could.
12:35No, you didn't. You were done for neglect.
12:37You and your wife were done for neglect.
12:39Yes, because the children was leaving their toys all around the house.
12:42Oh, yeah, let me just...
12:44My kids were taken into care because they left their toys.
12:47You're a liar, mate. You haven't been any sort of father.
12:50The system dealt with it and no wonder they're messed up
12:53and you are not man enough to admit where you failed.
12:55Oh, I am man enough. No, you're not. Yes, I am.
12:58I was social services telling you lies and telling me lies.
13:02No, I'm not! It's not my fault!
13:04No, it's not!
13:06What's to do? No, they don't!
13:08So your brother went into care. This is the bit I don't get.
13:11Yeah, cos he's...
13:13He's up his what?
13:15They took each other...
13:17Please welcome Kyle to the Jeremy Kyle Show.
13:26So you went into care. I did, yes.
13:29Because you were neglected by your parents.
13:31Not by the parents, no.
13:32You've got quite a lot of this incorrectly, unfortunately, Jeremy.
13:35Why did social services take you into care? Because your toys were messy?
13:38No. Why then?
13:39Because of neglect on the house.
13:41How long were you in care for, Kyle?
13:43Erm, most of my life, till I was 18.
13:45What did that do to you? Let's take a different view.
13:48They say it was horrible.
13:49They say they regret, resent, I guess,
13:51the fact that their parents weren't there.
13:53Do believe the mother's as responsible as the father.
13:55Sorry, I don't understand why you seem to absolve your mother of any blame.
13:58Mum's made more of it.
14:00She had an affair, which is why we're doing DNA!
14:03The only thing here... That's 23 years ago, it's not today, is it?
14:06..is the fact that whatever they've been told,
14:08they are basically relaying all of what they've been told on my dad.
14:13So... But your dad's no sort of father at all.
14:16That's not the point. He's tried.
14:18How has he tried? How has he tried?
14:20How has he tried? Have you not...
14:22Are you actually that ignorant to perception?
14:25Do you not perceive any of this at all?
14:29I've tried so much to explain to both of you,
14:32but, unfortunately, you're rather ignorant to it all.
14:35Well, how do you know that you're not... to stick up for him?
14:38Why would I... Well...
14:40Right, what's your view on it, then?
14:42It's pathetic that...
14:43If you're going to lose your kids cos your house is a pit,
14:46change your house!
14:47Change the house? It's not as easy as that, Jeremy.
14:50You can't just, you know, change the house.
14:53Don't ever...
14:56Decorate it, clean it!
14:58Get your priorities... It was decorated.
15:00The social services didn't take you because of the state of the house.
15:03They were terrible parents.
15:04Your mother was doing whatever and you...
15:06Why didn't you get them back, then?
15:08Why didn't you say,
15:09our house is sorted, we've changed our living arrangements?
15:11He's tried for over ten years.
15:13You absolve your parents of any blame.
15:15They're not to blame at all.
15:17I'm not saying that...
15:18Have you had any issues with your parents at all
15:20from being in care, as they undoubtedly do?
15:22Do you have any issues with them?
15:24I don't have any issue with them because I'm not ignorant.
15:26Your mother slept with somebody else in front of your father,
15:29which is why none of you know if he's the father.
15:31I didn't actually know very much of the information.
15:33You've done a DNA because we don't know if he's your dad either.
15:36Why are you sticking up for somebody who might not be your father?
15:38I'm having a DNA, so they can't say in the future,
15:40oh, Kyle, he's not your father.
15:42That's why I'm doing it.
15:43Speak, you two, come on!
15:45I actually only came to ITV, or to Manchester,
15:49to try and defend my father,
15:50because clearly they don't really know any of the facts.
15:54Because she's been there more, Kyle.
15:56That's not the point.
15:57How can you defend your mother when she had the affair?
15:59Who invited your mum out for a meal the other week?
16:02I wasn't invited, was I?
16:05No, I was left out. I was left out.
16:08Yeah, because you were too busy with somebody else, weren't you?
16:11It doesn't matter if...
16:13It doesn't matter if...
16:15I told you, I explained that to you, Marissa and Maria,
16:19but on Messenger, right?
16:22OK, let's talk about the last four years since you came out of care,
16:26because this is also their gripe,
16:28that this guy hasn't made enough effort.
16:30It's rather ironic that they contradict themselves, though, Jeremy.
16:34They say, oh, I want a relationship with my father still.
16:38They admit that he's their dad.
16:41You admit it on your statuses on Facebook.
16:44What contradiction is that?
16:46You say that he's not your dad, yet you're saying on Facebook,
16:49to the world and to your friends or family or other family,
16:52that he's still your dad, yet you're coming on national television...
16:55She puts so-called dad.
16:57Can you shut up? I'm talking, OK?
16:59LAUGHTER
17:01Can you shut up, Maria?
17:03What? You're getting all...
17:05I'm trying to put you in your places because you...
17:08You're not doing a very good job, are you?
17:10You're on a foreign language, please. I'm not doing a very good job.
17:13Unfortunately, I can't get through to ignorant people
17:15that don't know how to perceive things.
17:17It is ignorant, it's you.
17:19I'm ignorant. I'm open to every possibility.
17:21He's about the most intelligent person on this stage
17:24and says actually some quite lovely things.
17:26APPLAUSE
17:29I mean, is not the truth, right,
17:32that the woman that you defend is as guilty as him?
17:35Might it be a case, without going back there,
17:38that the system was against this guy?
17:40I think there's too many different strands here.
17:42Forgiveness is easy for some and hard for others.
17:46They patently resent the fact, in their mind,
17:49be quiet, that you weren't there.
17:52But somehow they've forgiven their mother, who wasn't there.
17:56If she was super mum, she'd have got you out of care as well.
17:59They're both responsible. Maybe the system was against them.
18:02We're doing DNA cos your mother had an affair.
18:05That's not your father's fault. Think about it like that.
18:08He'd have treated you better then, shouldn't he?
18:10All he cares about is himself.
18:12Halfway. Constantly halfway.
18:14Married life, Maria.
18:16Mum don't want to be with you any more.
18:18He does everything.
18:20Isn't the truth that you told us
18:22that your mother is unhappy being married to his?
18:24Yes. Did you know that?
18:26That's what she told us. He's always known it.
18:28Yes, I do know that, yes. And why are you together?
18:30For us kids. Because... Yes, that's right.
18:33We're fighting with someone for us kids.
18:36Well, it can't be for the kids cos you weren't around.
18:39You were in care. I want to be there for them now, Jeremy.
18:42You aren't for these two, are you?
18:44No, because they don't want me to be.
18:46Yes, we do. You said a minute ago you were disowning them.
18:49The only reason for that...
18:51Apparently she won't come on stage, your mother. Why is that?
18:54Probably because she doesn't know what to say.
18:57She's frightened, Jeremy.
18:59Yeah, she's frightened of Dad.
19:01Tell him, my team... She's frightened of...
19:04Tell my team, before you have a go at me,
19:06she wants to leave you. She's not happy, don't you, Sue?
19:09Yeah, they are. She's coming to live with Maria tomorrow.
19:12She wants to move out. Right, all of you, come with me.
19:15Come with me. Now, this way. Where is she?
19:17Where is she?
19:22Come on, quick, quick, quick.
19:27I can't do this for you unless you're prepared to speak, darling.
19:30I will speak.
19:34Hello. Hello, Mum.
19:37So, you're still a gangster most of the time as well?
19:40See, here's the thing I don't understand.
19:42You had affairs, which is why they don't know if he's the father, yeah?
19:45Yeah. But that's your responsibility.
19:47How many affairs did you have? I've only had one.
19:49So what do we get... Why are you telling me off? Yeah.
19:52Why do you... Yet again.
19:54Why are you with him still if you're so miserable?
19:56Cos you've got... You told us, didn't you?
19:58You said, I'm not happy. I'm not happy.
20:00And you also told us you've got doubts that he's her father, right?
20:03So there are doubts. Did you know that?
20:06That was what your mother told us. That's not us making it up.
20:09Your mother said... Did you know that?
20:11I didn't say to you. I wasn't sure where it's...
20:16You're saying you had one affair? Yes.
20:19So, where did... from?
20:21You can't name people who aren't here. Well, true.
20:24Why are you together still? For the sake of the kids?
20:26The kids were in care. Can I ask you a question? Yeah.
20:28Do you not think both of you could have done more
20:30to get your kids out of care? Yes, we do.
20:32At least this woman's honest. There you are.
20:34No, stop it. Hold on. That's true, isn't it?
20:37Say again?
20:38She says you could have both done more to get your kids out of care.
20:41Yes, we could have. Yeah, we could have done, yes.
20:43And we tried.
20:45Tell your husband... It wasn't...
20:47Tell your husband at 27 years how you are, how you feel.
20:50Seriously, tell him.
20:52I felt happy at times.
20:55I felt really bad at times.
20:59I'm not happy at all.
21:02Mum, are you still in love with him? Tell me now.
21:04Are you still in love with Dad?
21:06I am. And I'm not.
21:10Well, are you going to be with Maria tomorrow?
21:14Because she... she don't care.
21:16Don't put her on the spot. I'm not.
21:18That's all she's good for, putting people on the spot.
21:20And shut up. At the end of the day, Maria, right?
21:23If she wants... Me and Mum's got bills to pay.
21:26It's all about me and you.
21:28It's all about... You call me a user, yeah,
21:30but hold on a minute, you're...
21:32No, come on. No, I'm not using Maria.
21:34I'm a shareholder.
21:36Bills are more important.
21:38Bills are more important than what?
21:40Your relationship with your kids?
21:42Well, get off your backside and go and earn the money to pay your bills.
21:45APPLAUSE
21:49Do you know the degree of sympathy we display?
21:51This is the problem I have with this, and you might not like this,
21:53cos you're very upset and we're not allowed to, you know...
21:55You cheated on him. That's why we're doing DMA.
21:57That's right. I apologise.
21:59You freely admit the both of you could have done more.
22:01It's not just your dad.
22:03The gripe you've got with him is since you came out of care.
22:06He hasn't in your mind. That's what they're saying, Kevin.
22:08One question I'd like to say, Jeremy, but you ain't asked.
22:11Well, ask it, then. Stop... Just say it.
22:13And that is, have you asked me if I've had an affair?
22:17Behind my wife?
22:19Probably not. Really?
22:21Would you do a life sector for that?
22:23I'm telling you now. Where did you hear that from?
22:27I have never... I have never...
22:29Why did you say, ask me if I have had an affair?
22:31Behind your mum's back.
22:33Precisely, but why would someone say that if they haven't had an affair?
22:36Well done. Why would you ask if you haven't?
22:38That's guilt conscience, you know.
22:40It is. It's guilt conscience.
22:42You both know about guilty conscience, don't you?
22:44No, because I don't want all the blame being put on to your mother.
22:48So you have had an affair? No, I haven't, no.
22:50Then how would the blame be put on you if you haven't done anything?
22:53You've had an affair. You're a liar.
22:55I haven't. You'd fail a lie detector, wouldn't you?
22:57Of course I would. We should do a life sector.
22:59I don't know why you two are together.
23:01The thought of it's for the kids is a joke, because the kids were in care.
23:04Who's to blame for all of this?
23:06We both are.
23:08Good. The most honest person. Do you not agree with that?
23:10Yes, I do agree with that.
23:12So why have you never said sorry to Marissa or Maria?
23:14Just because you get on with each other.
23:16I've tried helping Jeremy, you know.
23:19And here's the thing, how come his son has forgiven him and you two haven't?
23:23Because he spends more time with his special...
23:26So you're jealous.
23:28Your golden girl, Michelle.
23:30Yeah, it's all about Michelle.
23:33I'm here today to find out, Marissa, if you are my daughter.
23:38And if I am your father.
23:40Prove it.
23:42You should prove it.
23:43The DNA test results show that Kevin...
23:53This is about my granddaughter.
23:55I don't mean to be rude, love,
23:56but it's about the fact that your daughter slept with two men
23:58and doesn't know the damn father of the boy she is.
24:10I started this show 13 years ago
24:12and I wanted to help men fight to see their children.
24:15I'm going to do everything I can to make sure he sees his kid.
24:19Hello, mate.
24:20Be good for her, yeah?
24:22To help addicts change their lives.
24:24There is nothing in the world that is a better option than this.
24:27We'll get an intervention that will help you cope.
24:30To give victims an important voice.
24:32Have you seen what you do to me?
24:34I'm going to make sure this boy has as much help and as much support on you
24:38and do whatever you want to reunite families.
24:44For 39 years you haven't seen her.
24:46You haven't seen her.
24:47Karen's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
24:49And of course, as you know,
24:51I believe that everybody should know who their dad is.
24:54It's your dad.
24:55It's your dad.
24:59I don't know about you, but I think we're doing a pretty good job.
25:02If you're 16 or over and you'd like to be considered for the show,
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25:29Right, Kyle first.
25:30DNA, the DNA test results show that Kevin...
25:32I've got to see Jeremy if he don't know.
25:34Kevin, he is your biological father.
25:36I haven't got time. Go on, quick.
25:38Come on.
25:39I'd like to go on the stage and do it.
25:41We're doing it here. Sit down.
25:43I'm not moving again.
25:44The DNA test results show that, Kevin, this is for you.
25:46Maria, he is your biological father.
25:48They are two out of two.
25:50Can I just say this one?
25:52Marissa, you admitted just then that you have doubts.
25:56Yes.
25:57This is because you had enough...
25:58Did he catch you on the sofa with another man?
26:00Yes, he did.
26:01Did you stay with him out of guilt?
26:04No, not too sad.
26:07The DNA test results show that, Kevin...
26:11..he is your biological father.
26:14APPLAUSE
26:18What is he doing? See, that's pathetic.
26:20You should get your... Come with me, hurry up.
26:22No, not really pathetic. Yes, it is pathetic.
26:24I'll do the other side.
26:26Oi! Oi!
26:28They're your kids.
26:30What about sorry, Marissa? What about I'm delighted?
26:32What about... And what about you?
26:34Why can't she be sorry to me? Dad, give me my crock off.
26:36Marissa should be sorry to you. Why?
26:39Because both of them have given him...
26:41This is the woman that caused it by having the affair!
26:44APPLAUSE
26:45Why should I have got the blame?
26:47Answer that. Answer that.
26:49Why should you have got the blame when your mum had the affair?
26:52That's a very good point. Answer it.
26:55You're prepared to forgive your mother.
26:57Your face when she said,
26:59I'm not sure if he is the father, was shocked.
27:02Why is that his fault? He's your father.
27:05Maybe you should either choose to forgive both of them
27:07or never forgive them,
27:08but it shouldn't be a competition with Kyle.
27:10They've... Do you know the one thing that would help you?
27:13Look at me.
27:14Your missus said back there,
27:16we both could have done more.
27:18Why don't you tell your daughter that?
27:20That might be the bridge that should...
27:22Be quiet, woman!
27:24Look at me.
27:25At least she's admitted where she went wrong
27:28and has tried to make amends.
27:30People deal with guilt in different ways.
27:32Why don't you tell your daughter, as I'm sure you've told your son,
27:35that you're sorry you could have done more, and I suspect...
27:38Well, you don't even look at her. You go over your shoulder.
27:41Look at her. Look at him.
27:42I'm sorry. We could have done more, yes.
27:44And we tried doing more.
27:45For God's sake, stop quantifying. You didn't do enough, did you?
27:48No, because we wasn't allowed to.
27:50But your missus doesn't quantify it like that.
27:52She just says, we could have done more. I'm sorry.
27:55Do you know how much pain I've been in,
27:57knowing that I've been fostered,
27:59and then I got adopted at the age of eight, Dad?
28:01And all I wanted was you to be beside me.
28:03All I wanted was you.
28:05We were there for you, but we wasn't allowed to on national TV.
28:09You've always been saying that he's not your dad,
28:12that you don't want him to be your dad.
28:14Do you not think...? I like you. I like you.
28:17I love your support for your dad, and I've made a couple of points,
28:20but what you've got to understand is your mother came out
28:23and took some sort of blame.
28:25Whoever you want to blame, if he does the same, this is easier.
28:29Of course they're bitter and twisted,
28:31and actually you're quite a good model,
28:33but you got over it. That's what we want to try and achieve.
28:36All he has to do as an adult...
28:38I had an open mind, Jeremy, to listen to what was going on.
28:41And they didn't. They didn't want to know.
28:43Has he ever apologised to you? Yes.
28:45Has he ever apologised to you? He's apologised to all of us, Jeremy.
28:49But these two specifically didn't want to know
28:52because we were put in care, because of what...
28:55They were being fed. They didn't want to hear any of it.
28:58My dad tried for over four years...
29:00The choice is this, either you...
29:02Sorry, I'm not finished, Jeremy. Sorry about that.
29:06But for over four years, even more than that,
29:09he's tried to open...
29:11Well, to welcome you both back in open arms.
29:14Can I speak now? Yes, you may.
29:16It's called the Jeremy Carr Show.
29:18I think... I think that he has some points.
29:23If this guy takes some responsibility...
29:26Which he never will.
29:28He's just said he will, love.
29:31Did you manage to forgive your mother having sex with somebody else?
29:35At the end of the day, Jeremy, it's hard for me...
29:38He needs to get over it. It's hard for me to take it all in.
29:41It's easy for you to say that. And to try and, you know...
29:44He apologised to your daughters. To apologise to...
29:47Well, do it. You know. Do it.
29:49I'm sorry for what's happened.
29:52But it's not all down to me.
29:54No, it isn't. You're Mrs Zuri taking responsibility.
29:56Can I say something else as well, cos I'm moving on?
29:59Don't stay in a heartless, miserable marriage
30:01just because you're consumed with guilt.
30:03Try separately to be good parents to all three
30:06and not play them off against each other.
30:08You might get somewhere. Graham, all yours.
30:10Give him a round of applause.
30:14I'd like to then welcome our next guest of eight, Simon,
30:16because just two weeks ago, his ex-fiancee Kay told him
30:19that he's not the dad to her five-month-old daughter,
30:22a baby this guy's been raising since birth.
30:24Kay was horrified when she told him that the dad was in fact her ex,
30:27David, who is also Simon's friend.
30:29Simon says he desperately wants DNA,
30:31and if he is the dad, he wants his name on the birth certificate immediately.
30:34Big day, like this guy. Simon's on The Jeremy Carr Show. That way.
30:37CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
30:45I feel sorry for you.
30:47Can I just ask you something?
30:49Cos this is about you and Kay and David.
30:52David and mates. Yeah.
30:54You've had a relationship with her and he's had a relationship with her.
30:57And there's a baby five-and-a-half months old.
31:00Yes, there is. Why are you here today?
31:02The reason I'm here today, Jeremy, is because I've been...
31:06Well, what's happened is, like, I got a text two weeks ago
31:10saying that I'm not the dad.
31:12Are you with her at this point or not with her?
31:14No, I'm not with her at this point.
31:16So you've been with her... How long were you with her for?
31:19We've been on and off, like, over the last year.
31:22OK. And you'd split up, and then suddenly, out of nowhere,
31:25check this out, having split up, she says,
31:28by the way, the kid you've been bringing up for five months,
31:31getting up in the night to, changing her nappy
31:33and generally being a good dad, isn't your kid.
31:36What goes through your head the very first minute she says that?
31:39Cos I know what goes through my head.
31:41No, I feel angry and upset.
31:43Cos I'm thinking, hear me out, the kid's yours when I'm with you,
31:47but when I'm not with you, I'm going to say it's somebody else's.
31:50So then I'm afraid, and you won't like this,
31:52I think she's playing games. Straight away, I think that.
31:55Yeah. I do think that.
31:57This is not about you, is it, Si?
31:59Who are you? I'm Sharon Cayley's mum.
32:01Can't hear you. Who? Sharon Cayley's mum.
32:04Well, why does she keep changing her mind, then?
32:06Well, this is not about these two, these lot,
32:08it's about Crystal, my granddaughter.
32:10Sorry? This is about my granddaughter.
32:12I don't mean to be rude, love, but it's about the fact
32:14that she can't sleep with two men and doesn't know
32:16the damn father of her babies.
32:20I need to speak up. I can't hear you. What? What did you say?
32:23I said it's about my granddaughter.
32:25Of course, but your granddaughter doesn't know who her father is.
32:29I do know that, but at the end of the day, it's about my granddaughter.
32:32That's what I need from you.
32:34If your daughter hadn't had sex with two men at the same time
32:37all very quickly together... I don't care, you can slap my daughter off.
32:40..then she'd know who her father of her kid is.
32:42I don't care, but at the end of the day...
32:44Nobody's slagging anybody, but the reason the worry is cos she...
32:48He's been told he is and then he's not.
32:50How do you think he... Oh, she's crying, oh, yeah.
32:53What about this bloke who's told he is and then he isn't?
32:55No sympathy? He can't talk.
32:57You're not making any sense.
32:59Maybe you should have taught your daughter different morals.
33:07She seems to absolve her daughter of the blame.
33:09Were you and David, so do you believe...
33:11What do you believe? Speak to me, come on!
33:13I want to find out the truth if I'm the dad or not.
33:15Do you still love this girl? Can you get this girl on the show?
33:18Where is she going? Just get her out on stage.
33:21Her name's Kay, give her a round of applause that way.
33:31Right, Jeremy? What?
33:33What are you storming off for?
33:35I'm storming off? Yeah.
33:37I've told him that he's the dad.
33:39I've done everything that he asked me to.
33:41Sorry, hold on a minute. You've told him he's the dad? Yeah.
33:44Is he on the birth certificate? No. Why not?
33:46Because I don't want him on.
33:48Cos you don't want him on? Cos he wasn't there at the birth.
33:51But you've also told him he's not the dad.
33:53He wasn't there at the birth.
33:55Well, I'm not the dad. Was he?
33:59I've got proof... Yeah? Who are you?
34:01..that she said to me that I'm the dad.
34:03I've got a message on Facebook with that.
34:06I'm not the dad.
34:12And I wouldn't lie about that one.
34:14Who are you? Hello, Jeremy. I'm Craig, I'm McKaylee's dad.
34:17Did I ask you to come out?
34:19I don't care if you ask me to come out, I'll come out to pretend my daughter.
34:24Am I right or wrong?
34:25Both of them, you've told they are the father at one point in time.
34:29Shut up!
34:31No, cos she's picking the truth, he needs to know, right?
34:34And I've told him everything, he's been there for it.
34:39You've just changed your mind.
34:41No, I haven't changed my mind.
34:43I have not changed my mind.
34:45That he's not the father. Who's the father?
34:48That's what we've come here for, to find out.
34:50So why is she having a go at him?
34:57He's been telling everybody, even his...
35:00..that he's not the dad.
35:02Did you...? Yes, you did!
35:05Yes, you did!
35:07Hold on a minute, and you know you're guilty cos you're losing it.
35:10You've told my team all day that David's the father!
35:14That's funny, cos we've never heard that one before.
35:17Have you told...? No, no, no, cos I'll get this, I've got it on tape.
35:21Have you said...?
35:23Why are you sorting on me for it? He needs to have a go at it.
35:26Why? You're the one who has sex with two men and doesn't know who the father is!
35:31Why is it his fault, then, for me? Why is it his fault?
35:35Why is it his fault?
35:37It's both of them, really, because at the end of the day...
35:39It's very simple, Dad, help me out. You translate for me.
35:42Ask your daughter, has she ever told Simon he's the dad?
35:47Kayleigh, have you told Simon he's the dad?
35:49Yes, I did!
35:51Ask your daughter this, have you ever asked, told Simon that he's not the dad?
35:55You daddy ask her that, yeah?
35:57Kayleigh, answer Jeremy on that question.
35:59Have you ever told him he's not the dad?
36:02Come on, Kayleigh, be truthful now. No, I didn't.
36:05So he's the dad. So explain this, Dad.
36:08When the DNA proves that David is the father to my baby,
36:11he needs to step up and be a dad and contribute to her upbringing.
36:14David! He hasn't given me a single penny towards her,
36:18so he has a lot of making up to do.
36:20Ask your daughter if she's said that to my team.
36:22More than likely she has, Dom.
36:24So you've told Simon and you've told David,
36:27and like your mother, you're out here having a go at all of us.
36:30This is your mess, your problem, so stop having a go at me!
36:33I'm here for my daughter!
36:35Yes, I know that, but you've lied.
36:38I haven't lied at all.
36:40See, he's the one who's been lying through his teeth,
36:42going around in stoke-on-trent saying that he's not the dad.
36:45Because you've told him he's not!
36:47I've got a text on my phone saying that David is the dad, from you.
36:53Kayleigh, Kayleigh, Simon,
36:55have you ever asked or told Dave that he's the father?
36:58No.
36:59Then why is he going around saying that you have?
37:01I'm gone, I'm gone, I'm gone!
37:03You have actually said that, Kayleigh.
37:05Go away until you're ready. Go away, you're peaking too soon.
37:08Go away.
37:10Have you ever told David he's the father?
37:12Listen, we'll sort it, but you've got to...
37:14Because you haven't agreed with me!
37:16Kayleigh, Kayleigh.
37:17That's why we're here, darling.
37:19I'm here for my daughter!
37:21See that little girl, Kay?
37:23Simon's the father to that little girl, right?
37:25You can't say I'm the father!
37:27I can't be the father!
37:29Because you haven't done the DNA yet!
37:31The DNA tests show that the biological father to Kay's baby is...
37:43It's getting worse, yes, I need your help
37:45and I'm not leaving this stage until I get your help.
37:48I want my life back.
37:50Give me a chance to prove you wrong.
37:52What do you mean? Give me a chance to prove you wrong.
37:55I want to see her. I want me kid.
38:00My name is Emma
38:02and I believe I'm your daughter.
38:05This is my last chance.
38:07I've always thought about you.
38:09Get in contact!
38:13She got a full house!
38:17Your grandchild.
38:19We'll sort this, OK?
38:21Listen, it's all right.
38:23He wants to be a dad.
38:25He wants to have a relationship with his child.
38:27He's your dad!
38:30You will, today, go to rehab.
38:32You are the child's father.
38:35You'll be all right.
38:37You'll be all right.
38:41If there's anybody out there who thinks I can't,
38:43come and get Jeremy's help, trust me.
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39:16You've got to understand,
39:18there are two blokes who are both substantiating the story
39:21by saying we have both at times been told by her we are,
39:25and then she changes her mind and says we're not.
39:28We are obviously very concerned about getting the truth for your daughter,
39:32but you need to be honest with me. Look at me.
39:35I'm not having a go. I'm just asking.
39:37Well, you just did.
39:38You slept with both of them and told them both...
39:40I was with David last year.
39:42Have you told them both...
39:43Do you know, if you're honest and we get done,
39:45we can get the results and get out of it.
39:47Have you told them both at some point or other that they are the father?
39:50Kayleigh, have you turned around and said one of them might be the father?
39:54I've told one of them.
39:55I've been laughing in the audience, but don't go there.
39:57Which one have you told is the father?
39:59Simon.
40:00What have you told David, then?
40:02You've turned around and said he could be the father.
40:04Are you in love with David still? No.
40:06Are you in love with Simon? A little bit.
40:08Good. Good.
40:09That's honest. OK, I appreciate that.
40:11Is that why you want him to be the father?
40:14Yes.
40:15And what if it's David?
40:16Cos you've told David that actually you are the father at some point.
40:19Speak.
40:20Yeah, I have got a text stating that you text me that David is the dad.
40:24Why don't you just admit you've told both of them?
40:27You probably, don't get upset,
40:29told David that he was to upset him because he wasn't with you
40:32and you wanted to make him jealous.
40:34Yes or no? No.
40:36Using the baby as a weapon?
40:37No, I'm not.
40:39No, I'm not.
40:40Then who's the father?
40:42That's why I came here for, to do the DNA.
40:44You don't know who the father is? No.
40:46Who do you want it to be? Simon.
40:48Good.
40:49Let's get David on the Jeremy Carr Show this way.
40:51Give him a round of applause.
40:59You OK?
41:00What this woman doesn't seem to know is that I'm trying to...
41:04We need to get the truth but there also has to be some acknowledgement
41:07and we have two men both telling us the exact same story,
41:10which is that you have both told them at various times
41:13that you are and they are not.
41:15Those are the facts, Dad. Is that true?
41:17It's true.
41:19But from what I've heard and what's been told to me...
41:24Speak up, man.
41:25Wow.
41:27Katie wrote to me last week saying that I was the dad to Crystal.
41:31Out of the blue?
41:32Yeah, just randomly out of the blue.
41:34Is that true?
41:35Well, why would he say that?
41:37Because he's lying through his teeth.
41:39For what reason?
41:40No, he needs to tell the truth.
41:42It's written all over your face you're lying.
41:44And your dad, who I didn't know, is a very reasonable and decent man
41:48and I would suspect your dad knows you're lying as well.
41:51What do you know about the truth, what Simon's been doing to my daughter?
41:54It's not about Simon, Kayleigh, it's about you telling Dave
41:56that he might be the father of the baby.
41:58That's what I came here for.
42:00I'm trying to get the truth and your old man's right, love.
42:02Dave was the father.
42:04If Dave's got a text message, then you must have said that.
42:08I've also got another message from him.
42:10Why have you two got a problem with each other?
42:13I don't have a problem with Craig.
42:15Our problem goes back a couple of years now.
42:17So is it wishful thinking on your behalf that you prefer Simon to be the dad?
42:20No.
42:21You strike me as a very reasonable guy and I mean this because it's not easy...
42:24He is a reasonable man.
42:25Hold on a second.
42:26But he is because it's very easy to come out and I would do it,
42:29you'd protect your kids.
42:30I haven't got it in for you, darling, but you've got to understand...
42:33At the end of the day, Simon's not on the date of birth because he wasn't there.
42:36Kayleigh, it doesn't make no difference.
42:38That's not what we're arguing about.
42:40You seem to have come out here with this in your head.
42:42I'm here for my daughter. I'm here for my daughter.
42:44I'm here for my daughter.
42:46If you're honest, you've created a right mess here.
42:50And all I want is for you to say yes because your dad knows it and I know it
42:54and the audience knows it.
42:56It's not about my dad. It's not about me. It's not about Simon.
42:59Yes, it is because they are not sure who the father is because if one of them is...
43:03We'll get on with the D&E then.
43:05Until you acknowledge that you've told them both that they are
43:08and both that they're not and for whatever reason,
43:10maybe because you've had a hard time,
43:12you have played them off against each other, haven't you?
43:15No.
43:16I don't believe you.
43:17Come on, Kayleigh, you might as well admit it.
43:19No, I haven't, no.
43:20So Dave's saying that you've sent him messages saying that he's the father
43:25and then you told Simon that he's not the father.
43:28Why would they say it?
43:29I'm the dad and I love you to bits, right,
43:32but you don't play God with a child.
43:34I'm not playing God.
43:35What, are you sticking up for Derrymore?
43:37No, I'm not.
43:38Thanks, Dad. What kind of father are you?
43:40I'm a father that looks like Derrymore.
43:42Where's my daughter?
43:44See that little girl, Kay?
43:46Simon's the father to that little girl, right?
43:49You can't say I'm the father.
43:50I can't be the father because she's slept with me more times than me.
43:54He's the father. I know he's the father.
43:57You're upsetting me by trying to say I'm the dad's crystal.
44:00She's absolutely beautiful.
44:02She's beautiful, she's well looked after and she deserves the truth.
44:05But do you understand, I think...
44:07I just want you to be honest, darling.
44:09Be quiet a minute.
44:10Do you know why you need to be honest?
44:12Because this will maybe... Look at me.
44:14Oh, well, do you know, Dave?
44:16Because I know.
44:17You're in love with Simon, aren't you?
44:19When you went to sleep with Simon, I was with the girl at the time.
44:22Sit down. You're in love.
44:24You're quiet. You're in love with Simon.
44:26Even though we don't see eye to eye, sit down and calm it.
44:28I think you're amazing, by the way, pal.
44:30You're in love with Simon, aren't you?
44:33And when you split up, and there you are, young age with a young baby,
44:37did you tell him that he wasn't to hurt him?
44:39Just be honest.
44:40Everybody's done it at some point, something heinous or difficult or whatever.
44:44Is it not true that when Simon and you split,
44:48him having brought the kid up and you're a great mother,
44:51you tried to hurt him by saying he wasn't?
44:53Isn't that the truth? That's all we want.
44:55We know it is.
44:57Yes or no?
44:58No.
44:59Just look.
45:00I'm trying to help you.
45:01Whoever the father is, just look how beautiful she is.
45:04She's lovely.
45:05She's absolutely amazing.
45:06She is beautiful.
45:07Oi!
45:08She's the apple of my eye, mate.
45:11I think you've got more of a chance with Simon.
45:13Listen, listen.
45:15I think you've got far more of a chance, if you're honest.
45:17Look at him, he loves you as well.
45:19But you hurt him when you told him he wasn't,
45:21and he said that to us, and I believe him,
45:24and I also, I'm sorry, believe this man when he says you told him,
45:27it's ironic that he was the ex,
45:29and you and Simon, who you love, had split.
45:31We're not trying to point the fingers.
45:33I agree with you, Mum, I agree with you, Dad,
45:35it's about the kid, but you can't...
45:37You know, we do a lot of these stories
45:39and there's blokes who rush around this country,
45:41look at me, having kids and not giving a damn,
45:43and I slaughter men like that, but women, it is difficult,
45:46but at the same time, you can't tell a bloke he is,
45:49then tell him he's not,
45:50and then batter him for not giving you any money.
45:52Why hasn't he given you any money?
45:54I know you want it to be Simon,
45:55but you can't base the paternity of your kid on who you're with
45:58or who you're in love with.
45:59I'm going to ask you one more time.
46:01You did tell him he wasn't, didn't you?
46:03He was. You did tell him at some point, didn't you?
46:05Come on, Kylie. Come on.
46:08You did, didn't you?
46:09It's OK, just admit it and we'll do the DNA.
46:12Come on. Come on. Come on.
46:14I told him once, that's it.
46:16It's all right, it's fine.
46:18APPLAUSE
46:24Right, listen, oi, total respect to you, OK?
46:27Because one thing I'm going to make public,
46:29this girl, they've told me all morning, is so well looked after
46:32and she's a credit to you.
46:35If this daughter is yours, is this a family put back together?
46:40I'm going to try and mend it.
46:43The DNA test results show that the biological father to Kay's baby is...
46:48Simon.
46:49...Simon!
46:51APPLAUSE
47:06And I've got to tell you, Simon,
47:07cos we're not going to put you through any more, come here.
47:09Go where you wanted.
47:10You are one of the most reasonable...
47:12By the way, you should say thank you to this guy as well.
47:15I was right about it all along and I knew I was.
47:17APPLAUSE
47:24And I have to say one thing, I've done this a long time,
47:26it's very difficult to come out and to be honest with you...
47:29No, no, we...
47:30Dave, just...
47:31Can I tell you one thing?
47:32I don't want to speak to you, just go away.
47:34Just please leave her.
47:35Dave, leave her, that's fine.
47:36When she wants to...
47:37Can I say something?
47:38There's a lot of fathers, and I'd probably do it,
47:40that would blindly support the kid.
47:41I like your honesty.
47:42We've got it out, we're done.
47:43There's a chance now that you and he can get back together.
47:46The four of you, go that way.
47:47Give him a round of applause.
47:48Thank you very much indeed.
47:49APPLAUSE
47:51What a dab, top man I am for this morning.
47:53Out of time.
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47:57To the guests, to the audience and to you at home,
47:59thanks for watching.
48:00We'll see you very soon.
48:01Take care, bye-bye for now.
48:02CHEERING
48:08We did some research and from that we were able to find
48:10times and locations on where he may be.
48:12That information could potentially be used to assist in kidnappings.
48:17How old are you?
48:19I'm 13.
48:21I'm a 38-year-old man.
48:23Do you like older guys to a 13-year-old girl?
48:47This programme contains strong language and adult humour.
48:50Adult humour is advised.