The Jeremy Kyle Show (17 April 2018)
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00:10On today's show...
00:12Your wife of a year, your partner of six and a half, is now in a physical relationship with your own dad.
00:20Makes me feel physically sick.
00:22You told my team I'm still sleeping with her.
00:25Yeah, we have been.
00:27Does your dad know that?
00:29He does now.
00:31I will not apologise for who I choose to be with after you destroyed our marriage.
00:36You're a compulsive liar.
00:37I'm a compulsive liar. Are you taking the mic?
00:40You lie so much that you don't know what the truth is.
00:42Yes, you're right. I'm the liar. I'm sitting on Jeremy Kyle because I am a liar.
00:46You're in love with his dad.
00:47I am.
00:48Bet you're not. That's why you came in sleep with me last... When was it? Thursday?
00:52Thursday? If you're not lying and got nothing to hide, then why don't you do a test then to prove...
00:56Because I've got nothing to prove.
00:58Do you want to do a lie detector test to prove you haven't slept with him?
01:00I don't need to do a lie detector. I don't need...
01:04Test, test, test, test.
01:22CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:33Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:35I'm your first guest today. Dean is here for an almighty showdown
01:38because his wife, Summer, check this, has been having sex with his father, Gary,
01:42for the last ten months.
01:44Check this, they're now in a full-blown relationship.
01:46But that's not all, because just when you think things couldn't get any more shocking,
01:49Dean has also been having sex with Summer behind his dad's back for the last four weeks.
01:53So much for the story. Dean is on the Jeremy Carr Showdown.
01:56CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:03Yeah, good.
02:05On a serious note, it's very easy to hide behind a headline.
02:09You know, my dad is now with my wife and there's this lie detector thrown in.
02:14But what's important is that look at me and don't look at anybody else.
02:18I want to get this story, because let's get the truth.
02:21You and Summer are married? Yeah.
02:24Still? Yeah. How long have you been married for?
02:26Just over a year now.
02:30Together, six and a half years? Yeah.
02:32You're very honest, you weren't in a great place in your life.
02:34You were probably, by all accounts, the lowest of the low.
02:37You were a drug dealer as well, weren't you? Yeah, at one point, yeah, mate, yeah.
02:40I did sell, I sold drugs, copious amounts of Class A drugs.
02:43How do you think about that, looking back now?
02:46At the time, I wouldn't...
02:48Right now, I wouldn't change anything that's happened in my life
02:50because it's made me the person who I am.
02:52Do you think because you were away...
02:54I mean, it is pretty shocking on any show, but even this show,
02:57to read that your wife of a year, your partner of six and a half,
03:01is now in a physical relationship with your own dad.
03:06Yeah. But, I mean, you... It's sickening.
03:09In part, it's meant to be punishment for me being horrible to her.
03:13I was violent towards her, I hit her, I'd kicked her,
03:16I was physically abusive, mentally abusive.
03:19So how do you expect to...
03:20Will you expect to just sit there and say that because you've changed your life?
03:23You've admitted in the last 30 seconds you sold drugs,
03:25you beat your girlfriend, you cheated on her, you did all sorts of stuff.
03:28I mean, not your dad, but are you not actually getting your just dessert?
03:32No, not really. That's one blow below the belt, really, isn't it, Jeremy?
03:36What would be the right punishment for the way you treated this woman?
03:39To do what she originally done and walked away.
03:41So you do think that getting...
03:43I don't blame her for walking away, I don't blame her for leaving me,
03:46I don't blame her for one minute.
03:48If I was in that situation, I would have done the exact same thing.
03:51Now, interestingly, a lot of things happen when you make this show
03:54and a lot of people have...
03:55How come he's not sitting in a pod?
03:57Well, listen to this, he doesn't want to be on the stage at the moment.
04:00Where is he?
04:01Out the back.
04:02We'll go see him in a little while.
04:04I have no idea, unless the guy can't admit to what's happened, why he's there,
04:09but I have to respect his wishes.
04:11They come to me and they say, he doesn't want to be on the stage.
04:14So, you know, people might watch the Jeremy cast show
04:16and they might think there aren't any rules, but there are.
04:19We have to respect him.
04:20But the fact of the matter is, whether it's out the back or it's here,
04:23somebody's going to ask him the question,
04:25did you cross the line by being in a physical relationship
04:27with your daughter-in-law, for God's sake?
04:29That, by anybody's standards, is wrong.
04:32But...
04:33But...
04:35What I like so far, and again, it's difficult for me,
04:38I can't like a man who's beat his wife, who's sold drugs,
04:40who's been to prison for fraud, but I admire honesty.
04:44You say, I didn't treat her well, she should have done one, to be fair,
04:48but the lowest thing you can do is do...
04:51What's your relationship like, or was...
04:53What was your relationship like with your dad?
04:55Because that's, for me, the interesting thing.
04:57Poor, very poor.
04:58Always?
04:59Yeah, always poor.
05:00I got put into his parents' custody when I was 18 months old
05:03because I don't really know, I can't really give you...
05:07He was never around, was he?
05:08No, he wasn't, he was never around.
05:10You seem very balanced. You're honest about what you did wrong.
05:13Yeah, well, there's no point in me sitting out here
05:15and painting myself as Pristine Chapel when I'm not.
05:18Let's just take this a stage further, because there's a further twist.
05:21Gary's out the back, doesn't want to be involved,
05:23despite the fact that, as your father, there is a line that you don't cross.
05:26Well, if he was a real man, he'd be sitting out here
05:28and he'd be defending himself, wouldn't he?
05:30And facing up to what he's actually done.
05:32APPLAUSE
05:35Cos, like, he's not being funny or nothing, right?
05:39If I was being... If I was in his shoes, I would want to defend myself.
05:43Can he? Can he defend himself?
05:45No, he can't defend himself. What has he got to say to defend himself?
05:48Apart from, yes, I am sleeping with your wife.
05:51Yes, two weeks after my wife died, I was sending her dirty text messages.
05:54AUDIENCE GASPS
05:56Two weeks after your mother... No, not your mother.
05:58Not my mother. No, his third wife died.
06:00After his third wife died, what was he sending?
06:02He was just sending obscene messages to my wife.
06:04Even though we'd been split up for a couple of months.
06:06Saying what? I don't know what they said.
06:08I just got told that he was sending dirty messages.
06:10That was out of her mouth. She'll tell you what they said.
06:13Are you still in love with her?
06:15Yeah, I do love her, yeah.
06:17I do. I can't...
06:19Everyone in the audience is sitting there right now thinking to themselves,
06:22he's an idiot. He's an idiot. But I can't help how I feel.
06:25I can't help how I feel about this.
06:27So how does it feel in the dark of morning? Serious question.
06:29How do you imagine, wherever you are, whatever you're doing,
06:32that your dad is intimate with your wife?
06:36For a man who freely... Makes my blood boil.
06:38Makes me feel physically sick.
06:40But for a man who freely admits he's had problems in the past,
06:42he's been violent, he's been aggressive, he's sold drugs,
06:45do you feel yourself going off the end over this
06:47or have you got yourself, your life to a point...
06:49I've got myself to the point of where I'm making progress now.
06:54I think it would be important to get all of the story.
06:59There's been some accusations from you about you and she are still intimate.
07:02We'll talk about that in a minute.
07:04But we're doing a lie detector about something completely different,
07:07which is this piece of jewellery.
07:09What is this piece of jewellery?
07:12It's my grandmother's charm bracelet.
07:14Is that your dad's mum?
07:16Yeah, the woman who I regarded as my mum, the woman who brought me up.
07:18You said that you were sent her.
07:20It's not the value, although it's quite an expensive piece of jewellery,
07:23but it's very, very important to her and sentimental to her.
07:25Who has it? Or who had it?
07:27He had it.
07:29And he says you've nicked it.
07:31And being completely honest, he's the best person to have it out of all of us,
07:33really, to be fair, because I would have probably pawned it
07:35and not been able to afford to get it back and I would have lost it.
07:37So he's the best person most responsible...
07:39He's the best person and he's sleeping with his daughter-in-law.
07:41Your family's in a mess, mate.
07:43I mean, like, to keep hold of something like that.
07:45But this has gone missing.
07:47Oh, yeah, it's gone missing and the first person that gets accused is me.
07:49So...
07:51One second, one second, one second.
07:53I want to ask everybody in the audience right now, yeah,
07:55for you to put up your hand if you think I'm a thief.
07:57This is my gig!
07:59I'm taking over.
08:01No, nobody thinks I'm a thief?
08:03Really?
08:05Well, you did, like, get done for fraud, didn't you?
08:07Yeah, I'm on about now.
08:09That was years ago.
08:11Yeah, fair enough.
08:13Everyone has their say, but, yeah, no...
08:15You think that your dad is trying to frame you
08:17for the theft of this bracelet.
08:19It is quite simply him,
08:21it's avoidance tactics to take everybody's eye off the fact
08:23he's sleeping with my wife.
08:25I've made mistakes, I've come out here,
08:27I've put me hands in the air, I ain't doing anything like this,
08:29I wouldn't steal off my nan,
08:31I might still be in love with my wife,
08:33and I'm going to add this in, you told my team
08:35I'm still sleeping with her.
08:37Yeah, we have been.
08:39Does your dad know that?
08:41Well, he does now.
08:43Gary,
08:45why is it that you won't come out on stage?
08:47Are you embarrassed by what's going on, or what?
08:49No, not at all.
08:51So you're sleeping with your daughter-in-law?
08:53Yeah.
08:55Well, come and face your son.
08:57I don't need to.
08:59Because you haven't got the bottle.
09:01I don't...
09:03I don't understand.
09:05Let's go find him, come on.
09:07That way, all right.
09:09Let's go find him.
09:11APPLAUSE
09:13I'll just... I'll just follow you.
09:15Yeah, it's all right.
09:17So why won't you come out and talk?
09:19Sorry?
09:21Why won't you come out and talk?
09:23I've got nothing to say to you.
09:25You've got nothing to say to defend yourself, no?
09:27Defend myself?
09:29Yeah, defend yourself.
09:31I moved into your house.
09:33Two weeks after your wife died,
09:35you sent me my white, dirty messages.
09:37How you doing?
09:39What is your say? You're sleeping with your daughter-in-law?
09:41That's a line you don't cross, isn't it?
09:43It's a situation I was put into.
09:45How?
09:47Sorry, you were put into a situation where you had to sleep with your daughter-in-law?
09:49No. Things developed.
09:51I was there to look after her.
09:53No, you weren't. You were sitting there sending her dirty text messages
09:55two weeks after your wife was dead.
09:57She weren't even cold yet.
09:59It's just a secret.
10:01What, is that lies? Are they lies?
10:03Am I lying, or do I have to take another lie detector to prove I'm not lying?
10:05Answer that question.
10:07Did you cross a line by moving from
10:09protecting your daughter-in-law
10:11to being in a relationship?
10:13Because doesn't that give him every right
10:15to jump up and down?
10:17Not, by the way, taking away from what you've said he did,
10:19because what you did was totally wrong.
10:21Yeah, I know it was.
10:23And I'll quite happily put my hands up and admit that it's wrong.
10:25Don't you think sleeping with your daughter-in-law is wrong?
10:27It's not the best thing, is it?
10:29So you're in love with her?
10:31I am, actually. I stayed there
10:33to be there to protect her.
10:35How does that come to be,
10:37that father-in-law ends up with daughter?
10:39How does that happen?
10:41We ended up... Basically, I was living there.
10:43Separate rooms, blah, blah, blah.
10:45No, you weren't.
10:47And we were living together,
10:49and it developed, and things happened.
10:51So, are you jealous, then?
10:53Huh?
10:55You told me out there that you were still in love with her.
10:57I do love her, and he knows it,
10:59and he knows that she loves me.
11:01Talk about this gold chain.
11:03This gold chain was owned by your mother,
11:05the woman who Dean says brought her up
11:07because you were never around.
11:09That's not really true.
11:11Why did your mother bring him up, then?
11:13Why? What happened was, it all went through to court,
11:15and my parents were granted custody, care and control of Dean,
11:17because it would be the best interest for him.
11:19Do you take any responsibility for anything?
11:21Yeah.
11:23I was a child, mate. I was about six years old.
11:25I'm on about... I was six years old, mate.
11:27Are you trying to tell me that you're sleeping with Summer
11:29because of the way you did?
11:31You can hate your son, you can be embarrassed by your son,
11:33you can think that your son is the lowest of the low,
11:35and I will repeat, because I've said it already,
11:37Summer, what you did is unforgivable,
11:39but there's a way, yeah,
11:41be protective to her,
11:43and the situation,
11:45but then end up sleeping with her.
11:47You lose every bit of moral ground.
11:49Tell me about this jewellery, though.
11:51Why do you think he would nick the jewellery
11:53that was so important to, potentially, in his words,
11:55the most important person in his life,
11:57your mother, his dad?
11:59Why would he do that?
12:01I don't know.
12:03Why would you not want to come on stage, by the way?
12:05Just out of interest. You seem a reasonable man.
12:07Why is that? Are you embarrassed?
12:09Of course he is. He's a spiteful, vindictive old man.
12:11Always has been, always will be.
12:13Very selfish as well.
12:15But you weren't great, were you?
12:17No, I've never been great.
12:19I'm now getting my life on track. I'm now getting myself sorted.
12:21He was arrested on Friday.
12:23We actually paid for him
12:25to stay in a B&B
12:27because he'd done all the pleading poverty
12:29and he hadn't got nowhere to live.
12:31He was putting up in a B&B on a regular basis
12:33and running home to you.
12:35Didn't that make you feel sick?
12:37Then he got a place to rent.
12:39He lasted two nights.
12:41Then he was asked to leave.
12:43See, I think you think he's stolen your life
12:45and I think you're punishing him
12:47for what you perceive him to have done
12:49to a woman you've learned to love.
12:51But why wouldn't you come out there with me?
12:53I'm not... I don't want to go out there.
12:55So we all have to play your game?
12:57Wait a second, be quiet.
12:59How much do you love this woman, his wife?
13:01Yeah, I do.
13:03Then maybe during this break you should think about it
13:05because we're going back out there and she's going to come out.
13:07Maybe if you are the man you say you are
13:09and it's genuine and it just happened,
13:11you would be out there
13:13supporting her after this break.
13:15I've already said to Summer
13:17if she wants me to come out there.
13:19Well, she does, patently. I'm going to go to a break.
13:21When I'm back, he and I will be on stage.
13:23Summer's coming. Are you going to join us
13:25back after this break?
13:27He's your father-in-law. I don't see it as wrong.
13:29Why am I the bad guy after everything he did to me?
13:31He kicked me so hard
13:33he caused a damn miscarriage
13:35and yet I'm sitting here defending my actions.
13:37How does that work?
13:39Because you're my father.
13:47There's a feud in the family tearing your family apart.
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14:19Thank you very much indeed. Welcome back.
14:21Dean and I back on stage.
14:23So we've done the story. You admit that you were a lowlife.
14:25You went to prison. You sold drugs.
14:27You beat your wife up. It was awful.
14:29And, you know, we then arrive
14:31here on the stage today to discover
14:33that your dad, Gary,
14:35is with your wife, has been with your wife
14:37intimately for the last few months, has moved into the house.
14:39We went to speak to him. He said,
14:41I was there to protect her. Things grew.
14:43You said, do you know what?
14:45You know that I still love her. You're just playing games.
14:47He doesn't seemingly want to be on stage.
14:49He says he will if someone wants him. That's beside the point.
14:51We then drop in this lie detector
14:53about your nan, his mother
14:55who brought you up, a woman you say you had real
14:57respect for. Listen, if you've nicked her, let me tell you,
14:59you can do one, seriously. If you've nicked that,
15:01then there's no hope for you.
15:03Do the results and find out. I will do. I'm just saying.
15:05But if you're telling the truth, you believe
15:07that he's framing you to
15:09take, if you like, people's awareness
15:11away from what he's doing with his daughter or not.
15:13I made the point. You know,
15:15you might hate your son for all sorts
15:17of reasons, but sleeping
15:19or being in a relationship with your daughter-in-law,
15:21does that cross the line? Summer
15:23and you were together
15:25six or seven years,
15:27married a year. She's been
15:29with your dad for ten months.
15:31I don't know, because I haven't met her
15:33yet, whether she's out to punish you, but
15:35that's what you feel. You also said
15:37you've been sleeping with her behind
15:39his back in the last month or so. Summer's
15:41on the Jeremy Carr Show that way.
15:43APPLAUSE
15:53I mean, by most people's
15:55standards, with respect, unless you're
15:57going to sit there and just look at the floor,
15:59you also have crossed
16:01the most unbelievable line.
16:03Can I qualify by saying
16:05I absolutely understand
16:07that this man put you through hell
16:09and was despicable, and I wouldn't have
16:11blamed you to have picked up everything and run for the hills.
16:13But sleeping with his dad,
16:15love, that just makes
16:17an even bigger mess, doesn't it?
16:19APPLAUSE
16:25I personally don't feel like I did anything
16:27wrong. We were both consenting adults.
16:29We were both single.
16:31Although, yes, he was my in-law.
16:33He's your father-in-law. I don't see it
16:35as wrong. Why am I the bad guy
16:37after everything he did to me?
16:39But why would you not... Hold on a second.
16:41Why would you not go,
16:43look, Dean was horrific,
16:45it scarred me, it affected
16:47me, I'm going to
16:49get on with my life. Is it not like
16:51you're stirring up a hornet's nest?
16:53Still wearing the engagement ring you bought, yeah?
16:55It's not an engagement ring, it was a birthday gift.
16:57So why is it on your ring finger? And I'm not stirring up
16:59at all. I chose to be with him.
17:01I was put in that situation,
17:03and you cannot help who you fall in love with
17:05at the end of the day. I will not apologise
17:07for who I choose to be with after you
17:09destroyed our marriage. I will not
17:11apologise for that.
17:13It's important we get this. It's important we get
17:15the story. He was a drug addict.
17:17He was violent. He kicked me
17:19so hard he caused a damn miscarriage.
17:21And yet I'm sitting here defending my
17:23actions. How does that work?
17:25Because you
17:27**** my father. You kicked a baby
17:29out of me. Huh? You kicked...
17:31That's all you've got on me. I'll hold my
17:33hand up and say I'm guilty of that.
17:35You'll hold your hand up and say you're guilty of everything
17:37you've done to me? Yeah. Name a few.
17:39Go ahead. Er, beat you up.
17:41Don't put one on me. Beat you up,
17:43I've spat at you, threw a phone at you,
17:45it hit you in the face. It's disgusting though, isn't it?
17:47Yeah, it's disgusting, yeah. But there's my
17:49issue. I don't, and you heard me,
17:51Summer, say this. I don't in any
17:53way condone anything
17:55that he did. It's disgusting. He went
17:57to prison. There are people who would
17:59say, you should have taken out an injunction,
18:01never had him near you again. But,
18:03I simply go
18:05back there, when I listen to you
18:07and I can hear the audience thinking, maybe, maybe,
18:09but why in the name of
18:11God would you sleep with your
18:13father-in-law if this man
18:15is what you say he is, is violent,
18:17is aggressive? Why would you bring
18:19that drama back into your life
18:21when on the basis of what he's
18:23done, you can walk away and start
18:25afresh? That's what I don't understand.
18:27That's what I don't
18:29understand.
18:31Because
18:33the inference is that you're doing it
18:35to wind him up. I don't believe that I am.
18:37Well, there's 50 million men and you
18:39picked your father-in-law. I didn't consider him
18:41in choosing my new relationship
18:43and why should I? Where does this theft
18:45come in? Because in my mind, it is compl...
18:47I mean, it's not... I don't want to disrespect you, Nan.
18:49It's not that relevant, is it?
18:51His father is sleeping with his wife
18:53and we're talking about a bracelet.
18:55But regardless of the fact that me and Gary are together, that does not
18:57give Dean the right to break into our
18:59home to break into Gary's. What do you mean he broke into your house?
19:01My home? His name is on our
19:03tenancy. My name is on a tenancy? He's a guest in that house.
19:05So you went into the house?
19:07I removed all of his stuff. He threw all his stuff out
19:09at one point and then he went in again and stole the
19:11fob that Gary uses to get into work
19:13which he then went in again and put back in my
19:15coat pocket and he sat there... That's mind
19:17games as much as sleeping with your dad, isn't it?
19:19That's scary. And now he's breaking this bracelet
19:21and it's sentimental, valuable. It's just to let him know that
19:23it's not his house. I will go there if I want to go.
19:25So you were out to scare him? Yeah.
19:27Just to let him know that it's not his home.
19:29He calls it his home. It's not his home. It's my house.
19:31He has no right to do that. Would you like your man to be on stage
19:33with you? That's up to him. I wouldn't make him do
19:35something he's uncomfortable with. It's because he's not a man.
19:37He's a boy. You can talk. You hit
19:39women, mate. Who's the boy here?
19:41Yeah, I used to hit women.
19:43Yeah, I did, yeah.
19:45Yeah, I did, yeah. You used to?
19:47Because I had anger issues.
19:49Anger issues? Oh, right, so over the last
19:51month when we've been meeting up,
19:53being in the rooms and that, have I hit you? Yeah, let's talk
19:55about this. He says you've been at it behind Gary's back.
19:57No, we have not been sleeping together.
19:59You're a liar. I have seen him.
20:01We went for dinner together.
20:03I spent a long time thinking if he's changed, I'd go
20:05back, and that makes me an idiot.
20:07Did you ever lead him on in the last
20:09few dates you've seen him? Serious question.
20:11Not in the last few dates. Now, I have said to him,
20:13and I will always say to him, if you could be a decent person,
20:15things could have been different. But you're with his father!
20:17How does that sound? But that's not like
20:19I'd leave Gary. I'll trade the old one in for the
20:21young one again. It's the young one show.
20:23No, you're laughing, but that's the issue.
20:25That's not what I mean. How does Gary feel?
20:27When you get him out of here,
20:29because I want to ask Gary, how do you
20:31feel about the fact that this woman that you say you're
20:33protecting would go back to your
20:35violent son if he changed? Will you ask him to
20:37come out? Because I am sick and tired of going back.
20:39Gary, will you just come out here, mate?
20:41Will you come out here, please? Yes, fantastic.
20:43APPLAUSE
20:45APPLAUSE
20:47APPLAUSE
20:49APPLAUSE
20:51APPLAUSE
20:53How does that sound to you? Because
20:55I appreciate that you didn't want to come.
20:57She's asked you, and I appreciate you doing that.
20:59Gaz, she's almost implied that
21:01if he changed, she'd go back to him.
21:03No, that's how she felt in the past.
21:05She's given him the option of
21:07changing. Why, is the counselling you paid for
21:09working? Yes, she's put me in counselling.
21:11The therapy that he pays for to get
21:13me out of your head. I pay for my own therapy,
21:15and it's not to get you out of my head, it's because you're
21:17a narcissist! What sort of narcissist is he?
21:19He's an abusive type,
21:21he lies, he wraps people around his fingers,
21:23he's manipulative, he makes everyone
21:25feel sorry for him.
21:27He's a compulsive damn liar!
21:29You told my team, and I quote, that
21:31she said that, this is what he said you said,
21:33if he passed the lie detector,
21:35you'd go back to him. I did not
21:37say that. I said if he passed the lie
21:39detector, and he fouled, and it turned out
21:41he'd hidden it, then we'd have a problem.
21:43That is what I said. But he hasn't done a lie detector, so we're not
21:45going to know if you've hidden it. Because he's trying to say that
21:47he hid it to, I don't know
21:49why you'd do that. I haven't took it, I haven't touched it,
21:51I haven't been near it. Someone took it!
21:53I think what I will say about you, Summer,
21:55and I respect you for this, is that
21:57you are the victim. She was the victim
21:59of your violence, right? You're talking
22:01now about emotional victim, being an
22:03emotional victim, because this has happened
22:05and it's unpalatable, and
22:07it's awful. But what you put her through
22:09makes her the victim. But I go back
22:11to you, and you've come out here fighting, and you've got something
22:13to say, and I respect you for that. It comes
22:15back to this. Are you doing
22:17it to get back at your son, be it the lie detector
22:19or sleeping with his wife? And are you
22:21doing this? And, you know,
22:23I sort of, I look at you, and you're
22:25an honest woman. Are you doing this
22:27to put one over on a horrible man who made
22:29your life a misery? Come on, be honest to me.
22:31No, I wouldn't waste... He said,
22:33and I quote, that you will go back
22:35to him if he passes the lie detector.
22:37Did you ever say that? It's nothing, we're not split up
22:39because he may have stole the bracelet.
22:41Here you are. This is a text message,
22:43don't know if you know about this. This is from him.
22:45Promise you will leave him when I prove I'm
22:47not a liar. Love you. Promise.
22:49Did you write that? No. Snapchat, come on.
22:51Not at all, I haven't even got a moment. So that's made up,
22:53is it? That is not me.
22:55That is not me. So you made that up?
22:57Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I made that up.
22:59That is not me. Do you really think I made that up?
23:01I don't know. Think I'd come on national
23:03TV if I thought he had that on me.
23:05That is not me. What about this?
23:07Love you. Love you too.
23:09I want him gone as soon as we get back
23:11I promise, bae, don't mug me if they make me
23:13look like a... And don't sit with him when
23:15your results come in. I want you to pull your chair over
23:17to me. I know and OK.
23:19Well, you best move chair and either make sure
23:21you tell him it's over or make sure he's gone next day.
23:23Your choice, I swear. No, I honestly don't
23:25need to sit and defend myself. That is not me.
23:27That is not me. Really?
23:29That is not... Prove it. Who was it?
23:31Which of the girls was it that wrote that for you?
23:33Are you sleeping with Arthur?
23:35OK, I'm sleeping with Arthur.
23:37...sent by Summer?
23:39He's seen my messages. I've got nothing to hide.
23:41Yeah, because you delete everything, Summer.
23:43It's Snapchat. Yeah, Snapchat gets deleted
23:45straight away unless you save it.
23:47Why don't you get your phone brought up here
23:49and go on to your Snapchat? Do you want me to go and get my phone
23:51and show him all the messages? I'm not even gonna do that.
23:53It's not about that. I want to know
23:55if you stole that bracelet.
23:57Go on then, go get your phone. That's it.
23:59And I want to know whether you have been leading him on.
24:01Have I been innocent? No.
24:03At the beginning, did I say a lot, yeah, I'd take you back?
24:05Did you sleep with him at the beginning? No, I was not sleeping with him.
24:07You've been sleeping with me for the last ten months, Summer.
24:09I'll always love him, yeah.
24:11In the last ten months that you've been with his dad,
24:13have you had sex with Dean?
24:15No, I have not.
24:17Tell you what I'll do, I'll go to a break, right back.
24:19Back on your leg, are you nervous?
24:21No.
24:23Why are you here today?
24:25If he's cheated on me.
24:27What happens if he has?
24:29Then I'm gone.
24:31How many people in this audience think that Ashley's gonna pass
24:33this test, put your hand in the air?
24:35Let's do the lie detector.
25:05Ashley, welcome back.
25:17It's almost a shame that we're doing a lie detector.
25:19I know to your mum, to your nan, it meant a lot.
25:23He came out here and he said to the audience,
25:25who thinks, he was very honest, he said,
25:27I was a drug thief, I had cellar, I was a...
25:29I went to prison, I was this, I was that.
25:31There's so much to this story.
25:33So much to this story.
25:35Tapping your leg, are you nervous?
25:37No.
25:39Well, he shouldn't be, cos he passed both questions.
25:41Do you have something to say?
25:43Do you have something to say?
25:45Hold on, hold on, hold on.
25:47What?
25:49Are you gonna do what you said you were gonna do?
25:51Well, my test's wrong, is it?
25:53I will fully apologise.
25:55I will fully apologise to you.
25:57You said you were gonna put your chair over.
25:59I did not say that, that was not me.
26:01Summer's Bedroom, answer, no.
26:03Verdict, truthful.
26:05Do you know for sure who stole the bracelet in question from Summer's Bedroom?
26:07Answer, no. Truthful.
26:09All right. There you go.
26:11Take it home as a memento.
26:13Now you owe me an apology.
26:15Are you apologising?
26:17I apologise to you.
26:19Well, I can admit one way or the other.
26:21I'm sorry. What does that mean?
26:23I'm just saying I'm sorry, as far as I'm concerned.
26:25Well, there you go then, shall I frame him?
26:27No, no, I swear on that, it's not my sort of thing.
26:29It's not your sort of thing, you've stolen his wife.
26:31Excuse me, I'm an individual.
26:33Huh? Are you gonna come and sit here then?
26:35Am I?
26:37Why? More lies.
26:39Stop, stop it.
26:41Someone can ask you a question.
26:43You're a compulsive liar.
26:45I'm a compulsive liar, are you taking the mic?
26:47What have I lied about?
26:49Everything, you lie completely, repeatedly all the time.
26:51You lie so much that you don't know what the truth is.
26:53Yes, you're right, I am the liar.
26:55I'm sitting on Jeremy Kyle because I am a liar.
26:57I thought you were sitting on my stomach.
26:59Where do we go from here?
27:01You're in love with his dad.
27:03I am.
27:05That's why you came and slept with me last, when was it?
27:07Thursday, when you were meant to be at Slimming World?
27:09Are we allowed to just make things up?
27:11Oh, my God.
27:13Are we allowed to just make things up on the telly?
27:15So you were going to Slimming World but you ended up having sex with him?
27:17I haven't even been to Slimming World in about four weeks,
27:19I've been cheating on it, I'm not gonna lie.
27:21You're lying through your teeth.
27:23No, I am not lying.
27:25When you were supposed to go to Slimming World?
27:27No.
27:29And you slept with me there and then you went home and he went...
27:31Can I ask you a question?
27:33This man is a compulsive liar.
27:35Please do not believe a word he says.
27:37Let me ask you a question.
27:39Who thinks I'm lying and who thinks he's not?
27:41Let me ask you a question.
27:43Do you want to do a lie detector to prove you haven't slept with him?
27:45I don't need to do a lie detector.
27:47I don't need to do a lie detector.
27:49Test, test, test, test, test, test, test.
27:51Test, test, test, test.
27:53Are you embarrassing me on public TV now?
27:55No, I'm just getting everything out of there.
27:57There is no pressure, I wanted to give you the opportunity.
27:59I don't need to prove to the damn nation that I haven't slept with you.
28:01If you're not a liar, then you've got no problem, have you?
28:03It's between my business.
28:05I didn't come on the television...
28:07If you're not lying, you haven't got a problem.
28:09You came on the television with your now partner, his father,
28:11to prove that he'd stolen a sentimental and valuable piece of jewellery,
28:13which he has passed.
28:15Yes, he has.
28:17Then I suspect some people watching this,
28:19you have to leave it to people to work it out,
28:21will think, was he trying to be framed?
28:23I want to repeat, because I think it's very important to do this,
28:25there is no part of this story
28:27that you come out with credit
28:29apart from that, OK?
28:31Now, listen to me.
28:33It's very easy, you put your hands in the air,
28:35there are people watching this
28:37that will consider anything that happened to you
28:39to not even be enough
28:41for what you did to this woman, right?
28:43Well, we have different morals.
28:45Well, morality, my friend, is perhaps not something
28:47you should educate me on, but here we go.
28:49You came here, you said, I've done this.
28:51That takes courage.
28:53You, there is no pressure.
28:55You, there was no pressure.
28:57You're together, it happens.
28:59But, you see, the thing, from my point of view,
29:01is he's proven what he said he was going to.
29:03I keep looking at you, and I keep thinking,
29:05you're a strong woman.
29:07You've been a victim, you've come out the other side.
29:09But the situation you've got yourself into,
29:11right?
29:13I don't know whether you've let him on,
29:15I don't know whether you've slept,
29:17I don't know if you're madly in love with Gary.
29:19Do a test, then.
29:21But I just think you've put yourself in a really difficult position.
29:23And now I'm going to say something to you which might surprise you.
29:25You probably do love her.
29:27It probably did happen from nothing
29:29when you moved in.
29:31There's no part of me that doesn't think
29:33that you haven't crossed a line that you shouldn't have.
29:35But I also believe in karma,
29:37and I think you're going to get your comeuppance,
29:39because I think you'll drop him like a hot potato
29:41when it suits you, that's what I genuinely believe.
29:43I think you are using this man right now.
29:45And if that's the case,
29:47then that's your life, and that's his life.
29:49Everybody's got here
29:51motives for wanting to do something
29:53that should be real.
29:55I sort of worry that you're with her to get back at him,
29:57you're with him to get back at him,
29:59you're saying you're sleeping with her to whack him off,
30:01but it's all one big mess,
30:03and all of this would have been avoided, darling, right?
30:05If you'd gone,
30:07do you know what? You've done too much, Dean.
30:09I'm going to be on my own,
30:11I'm going to get on with my life and meet somebody
30:13away from this nasty,
30:15horrible, incestuous, violent
30:17mess of a family,
30:19and you've landed yourself right back in it,
30:21and that is a fact, isn't it?
30:23APPLAUSE
30:25Where do you go from here?
30:27We continue being happy
30:29and being together, and hopefully,
30:31you just...
30:33I will when you admit things.
30:35When you admit that we've been sleeping together.
30:37We have not been sleeping together.
30:39Like what?
30:41What happened just after you kicked me out?
30:43And then what happened a few weeks after that when you had to go to the hospital?
30:45Once we are separated,
30:47what I do with my life is none of your business, Dean.
30:49But you hadn't told me.
30:51The day after I got removed from the house.
30:53It did not happen.
30:55And then you had an abortion.
30:57He knows it.
30:59Look at the look on his face.
31:01Does he look impressed right now?
31:03You're just trying to make me out to be bad.
31:05All you've done is make me out to be bad.
31:07Yeah, I'm bad.
31:09Yeah, I was nasty.
31:11I've learned from my mistakes.
31:13If I've admitted I beat a woman, it's all right, isn't it?
31:15No, it's not all right.
31:17No-one ever said it was all right.
31:19If you're not lying and got nothing to hide,
31:21then why don't you do a test to prove you haven't been sleeping with me?
31:23Because I've got nothing to prove.
31:25Right, well, you know what?
31:27At the end of the day, so you two are staying together.
31:29Just one thing.
31:31When you came out here, you spoke very candidly
31:33and very honestly.
31:35Be careful.
31:37Going into the house, making threats,
31:39it'll be you in the end that gets into trouble again.
31:41If you have, hear me out,
31:43turned your life around,
31:45got off the drug dealing,
31:47not going to go to prison, not going to make threats,
31:49not going to...
31:51If you can do that, you'll have a better life.
31:53If you fall into this against her or him or anybody,
31:55you know where you'll end up, back in prison.
31:57You've been out of the cell for five days and you're a changed man, are you?
31:59Five days you've spent on the street, that's it.
32:01Five days.
32:03Because I was drunk.
32:07Can I finish with you?
32:09You are a victim,
32:11but you've come out of that, you admit that you've...
32:13You know, it's not ideal.
32:15No, it's not, no, of course not.
32:17And you weren't sleeping with him. I was not.
32:19She's a liar. I was not. You're a liar.
32:21I really appreciate you coming out and being as strong as you are,
32:23because it was important everybody had their say, all right?
32:25You two are together, sadly, no.
32:29A round of applause, thank you very much indeed.
32:39Why don't you grow up and learn how to tell the truth?
32:41Grow up, James. Go on.
32:43Be really careful, mate,
32:45because in the end, if you do something you regret,
32:47it'll be you who misses out on your family.
32:49Go that way, give them a round of applause.
32:57Good luck to them, we'll let you know.
32:59Chloe is here to find out if her boyfriend of over two years,
33:01Ashley, has cheated on her again.
33:03She says when they got together,
33:05she fell pregnant very quickly,
33:07but her world soon came crushing down
33:09as she learned that Ashley was sleeping with someone else.
33:11Now, ironically, despite his cheating,
33:13she's here today to prove to him
33:15that her two kids are in fact his.
33:17Loads to the story,
33:19a woman on the edge, Chloe's on the Jeremy Carl show.
33:21That way.
33:29You all right?
33:31You OK?
33:33Obviously you're not, cos you're on the Jeremy Carl show.
33:35Tissues straight away, please, William.
33:37All right?
33:39Thanks for coming on.
33:41Ashley is your partner for a couple of years,
33:43two and a half years, I think.
33:45Two kids, Sophia one, Brooke five months.
33:49Today,
33:51the introduction said
33:53we're here to find out if he's cheated
33:55on you more than what you already know.
33:57Let's talk about how you got together.
33:59I was talking to him on Facebook,
34:01cos he was seeing my mate at the time.
34:03Right.
34:05And then we started talking more and more
34:07and then we got together in September 2015.
34:09And, er...
34:11his family
34:13never liked me.
34:15Why?
34:17Well, it all started
34:19when I found out I was pregnant
34:21with my oldest, Sophia.
34:23And I was just getting
34:25loads of harassment off of his brother on Facebook.
34:27Your brother's in the audience, aren't you? Why don't you like her?
34:29I don't like her.
34:31Sorry? I don't like her.
34:33You don't approve of her? No.
34:35He said to us that you're controlling.
34:37You've changed his brother.
34:39He thinks you're a cheat.
34:41I'm not the one that says I'm not allowed to meet mothers.
34:43He texts my mum when I'm there,
34:45what are you doing? How long is she going to be?
34:47How many kids have you got? Two.
34:49You're 18 years of age. You've got two kids
34:51with a man you don't trust who's already cheated on you
34:53and now he's saying he doesn't know if he's the father of your kids.
34:55Why are you with him?
34:57I love him, it's just that his family's got it
34:59into his head that they're not... But he cheated on you.
35:01Let's move away from the family.
35:03When you were pregnant with Sophia,
35:05something that you both planned,
35:07he was cheating on you. And I found out
35:09after I had her.
35:11Why did you stay with him, babe? We had a break.
35:13He went to live at his mum's
35:15and then I got back with him in the maze
35:17we went on holiday.
35:19You say
35:21he's a useless dad,
35:23which in itself is frightening.
35:25So you're with a man who can't keep it in his trousers,
35:27whose family don't like you,
35:29who is also
35:31no good with his kids. Why are you with him?
35:33It can be
35:35good with him sometimes, but I just,
35:37I'm getting to the point where I just don't
35:39want it anymore. I just
35:41need to not... I want to be
35:43with him, but I just don't want to be with him anymore.
35:45Does he genuinely have doubts that he's the father of both of these?
35:47Yeah.
35:49I think so, it's just...
35:51Are they his? Definitely, it's just that
35:53his family's always got a... Can I tell you what I think, right?
35:55And I know it's really easy to look in
35:57from the outside, and I'm being honest to you, sweetheart.
35:59I reckon you're in a
36:01relationship that you're not happy in,
36:03with a man that you don't trust,
36:05struggling to bring up two kids. Does he work?
36:07No, that's
36:09another thing as well. He was
36:11working, and then
36:13it all went downhill, and then
36:15he started saying that he was going on
36:17work, and he's there for other hours,
36:19but he's only meant to be there an hour.
36:21Why are you with him? I'll tell you why you're with him.
36:23Because everybody spends most of their
36:25lives telling you to leave him, and telling you that you
36:27should want more in life, but you've got your head in the
36:29sand, because you want to prove them wrong. Darling,
36:31you're 18 years of age, you're not supposed
36:33to be this miserable.
36:35Why are you here today?
36:37If he's cheated on me.
36:39What happens if he has? Then I'm gone.
36:41But you're not.
36:43I don't even know...
36:45It's been horrible. You're 18, I don't even know why you lot
36:47are clapping so ridiculously. You're not going to leave him?
36:49He's cheated on you.
36:51He doesn't think the kids are his. His family
36:53don't like you, and he doesn't go to work.
36:55What part of that do you find attractive?
36:57Because I'd say he's symptomatic
36:59of what's wrong with this country.
37:01No, I'm just at breaking point.
37:03Why in the name of God, this is the other thing.
37:05Why have you done
37:07a test? Because
37:09he don't think that I'm much like
37:11my mum's when I am.
37:13This relationship sounds awful.
37:15It's a horrible time, right?
37:17All right, listen. We'll get the truth, and whatever that truth is,
37:19we'll deal with it, all right?
37:21It's never nice, but we'll see what happens.
37:23Ashley's on the Jeremy Carle show that way.
37:35What do you think she finds
37:37attractive about you? I don't know.
37:39Sorry? I don't know. Oh, here we go.
37:41Head on the floor. You cheated on her?
37:43Yeah, it's that relationship. You don't work?
37:45Been looking.
37:47Shame you didn't look before you created
37:49life so the rest of us have to fake looking.
37:53Who are you nodding for?
37:55You're right. I'm right, yeah?
37:57Your family don't like her? No.
37:59You're not particularly nice to her?
38:01You don't work, you don't do anything?
38:03What's the point?
38:05What is the point of this relationship?
38:07Enlighten me, Ashley. Why are we here?
38:09Why can't you just do the decent thing
38:11and walk away and stop dragging this woman
38:13down to a point where there's no point to her?
38:15Cos I love her. Love her?
38:17Yeah. Well, look up, Ashley.
38:19You're the big man, you've been giving it large.
38:21Come on, talk to me.
38:23Is that how you think you should treat a woman?
38:25No.
38:27Why is she doing a lie detector?
38:29Cos she's accusing me all the time
38:31so she might be up to something as well.
38:33My God, is it really that infantile?
38:35I feel sorry for the kids.
38:37I'm a good dad.
38:39But you don't want to be a lot of the time, do you?
38:41Because you've got it in your head they're not yours.
38:43Her family members have been
38:45putting it into their head that the kids aren't mine.
38:47My family?
38:49Your family?
38:51Not mine, yours.
38:53My family's stopped by you through everything.
38:55Why your family left you down
38:57in the ditch?
38:59My family
39:01took you in when you had nowhere else
39:03to go.
39:05My family's been there for you
39:07a hell of a lot more than your own family has
39:09and you know that.
39:11Is that true?
39:13Yeah.
39:15What am I supposed to do here?
39:17You've got her doing double DNA
39:19on two kids a year and five months
39:21who you presumably don't think are yours.
39:23Cos when we have arguments she says
39:25the kids aren't mine.
39:27Have you ever said that?
39:29No, I've never said that.
39:31Have you ever said that?
39:33No.
39:35Did you ever say to him in a fit of pique
39:37which has been said so many times on the show
39:39even I'm bored of it, have you ever said
39:41you know what don't bother you're not the dad anyway, have you?
39:43I said he's not the dad cos I am.
39:45I said I'm both mum and dad, I do everything.
39:47So if he's cheated what's happening?
39:49I'm going.
39:51And you told my team if she's cheated
39:53I'm walking.
39:55But you cheated on her when she was pregnant.
39:57Come on.
39:59Nothing to say Ashley.
40:01No.
40:03Sorry?
40:05No.
40:07You're not going to pass the test though Ash are you?
40:09Yeah, 100%.
40:11How many people in this audience think that Ashley's going to pass this test?
40:13Put your hand in the air.
40:15How many people in the audience think that she's going to pass the test?
40:17Put your hand in the air.
40:19Everybody except for your brother.
40:21Let's do the lie detector.
40:23Since the start of your relationship with Ashley
40:25apart from what you've admitted to
40:27have you passionately kissed anyone else?
40:29Tell the truth.
40:31We asked Ashley since the start of your relationship with Chloe
40:33have you passionately kissed anyone else?
40:35You said no, why did you say no?
40:37Tell the truth.
40:45Are DNA doubts ruining your relationship?
40:47Is an ex refusing to accept paternity?
40:49If you're 18 or over
40:51and you'd like to be considered for the show
40:53email talk.itd.com along with your number
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40:59or you can call my team today
41:01it's 09011
41:03it's 123456
41:05calls cost 25p plus network access charge.
41:19Who should we start with?
41:21Chloe first.
41:23Why is she doing a lie detector?
41:25Just because she keeps accusing me all the time.
41:27Chloe admitted to kissing someone else
41:29at the beginning of her relationship whilst at a Halloween party
41:31with Ashley.
41:33She also stated that Ashley kissed someone twice that night, is that true?
41:35Yeah.
41:37That was alright, yeah?
41:39Since the start of your relationship with Ashley
41:41apart from what you've admitted to have you passionately kissed anyone else?
41:43You said no, Chloe, why did you say no?
41:45Tell the truth.
41:47How many of you think she was telling the truth?
41:49She was lying.
41:51Oooh.
41:53You've failed every single question
41:55including sexual intercourse.
41:57Oooh.
41:59I don't know how I have it,
42:01it's the only one I've been with.
42:03You've failed every single question.
42:09What's coming at them, sweetheart?
42:11That I've not been doing nothing, how have I
42:13when you've constantly controlling me all the time
42:15and not even allowed to my mums anymore?
42:17Sometimes I don't like this job.
42:19You're not allowed to your mums.
42:21No.
42:25Ashley admitted to sleeping with Chloe's friend
42:27on one occasion at the start of the relationship.
42:29He was asked directly if he kissed anyone at a Halloween party
42:31as stated by Chloe,
42:33but you denied this.
42:35Yeah, cos I...
42:37You just said that you did.
42:39We asked Ashley
42:41since the start of your relationship with Chloe
42:43apart from the one occasion you've just admitted to
42:45have you passionately kissed anyone else?
42:47Tell the truth.
42:49You lied on every single question as well.
42:51It's right, isn't it?
42:53No.
42:55Oh, do me a favour, get your head out your backside,
42:57admit the truth, you have cheated
42:59and something's happened as well,
43:01but I'm not interested in sitting here and scoring points.
43:03This is a... Do you know what I want to say?
43:05What's the point?
43:07People go into relationships
43:09for all sorts of reasons
43:11and then they stay in a relationship that's patently wrong
43:13because they can't bear the concept of being on their own.
43:15Guys, look how miserable you look.
43:17Did you sleep with her more than once?
43:19No.
43:21Stop lying, man. We'll start at the bottom
43:23and we'll try our best for those kids,
43:25but it needs to be true. Come on.
43:27You did, didn't you?
43:29Why did you fail the test?
43:31I don't know.
43:33She's going to stay with you anyway, tell her the truth.
43:35I need to know if it was just more than her.
43:37It wasn't.
43:39So it was more than once with her?
43:41No.
43:43She hit up with you all the time.
43:45Just...
43:47Just tell this girl she's tortured.
43:49You slept with her more than once, didn't you?
43:51No.
43:53Just please admit it to me.
43:55I didn't.
43:57Is the test right?
43:59No.
44:01I feel sorry for this girl.
44:03Not man enough to tell the truth, then, no?
44:05Come on, look at me.
44:07It's not bad.
44:09Look at those kids. Turn around and look at those kids.
44:11Please.
44:13Be honest, Ashley.
44:15It was more than once, wasn't it?
44:17No.
44:21Will you tell me off the cameras?
44:23Brooks.
44:25Youngest child?
44:27Yeah.
44:29You are Brooke's father.
44:31APPLAUSE
44:35What about...
44:37What about Zoe?
44:39Zoe?
44:41There's nothing to you, is there?
44:45Oi!
44:49And you're Sophia's father as well.
44:51APPLAUSE
44:57Why is the ghost of my love on his face?
44:59Honesty now, Ashley.
45:01Let's not shout, let's not scream.
45:03Let's do our best to help this girl and help you
45:05and try and put this one back for the sake of those kids.
45:07It was more than once, wasn't it?
45:09Just say it, mate. It doesn't matter.
45:11The woman's at rock bottom. We'll work with her.
45:13Come on. Tell her the truth.
45:15Those kids deserve the truth. She deserves the truth.
45:17Not me, not this audience.
45:19Ash, come on, man.
45:21Just look at those kids. Man up.
45:23I haven't got anything else.
45:25Did you just sleep with her more than once?
45:27No. Admit it. Just admit it now.
45:29I haven't. And we can talk.
45:31I haven't. And you can still see the kids.
45:33Why don't you keep looking back?
45:35She failed that test because something happened.
45:37And it doesn't really matter in the end
45:39if you don't want to admit it. I'm more concerned about her.
45:41Come on.
45:43Do the right thing, mate. Be a man.
45:45I am, but I haven't.
45:49You're a weasel.
45:51You're an absolute weasel.
45:53And do you know what?
45:55She's 18 years of age
45:57and she's stuck with you.
45:59With two kids that she brings up on her own.
46:01And do you know what I know?
46:03And that's even the really sad part about this
46:05because we'll look after her. You don't even want to be with her.
46:07But you know what I'm going to do?
46:09You don't want to be with her, do you?
46:11Not after this, no. Sorry?
46:13Not after this.
46:15You don't want to be with her after this?
46:17No, she said she didn't want to be with me after this.
46:19No, Ash, you said to me...
46:21We're not going to spend our time trying to get her to leave you.
46:23We're going to spend our time teaching her
46:25that at 18 she's going to get every bit
46:27of conceivable support
46:29so that she can walk away from a low-life like you
46:31and say, do you know what?
46:33I'm better on my own than being with someone like you.
46:35APPLAUSE
46:47Look at me.
46:49Look at me.
46:51I promise you one thing and I know right now
46:53look at me. I know you don't believe me
46:55and I know that you think it's all right.
46:57Being in your position, look at me.
46:59I know you don't believe that. I have. Look at me.
47:01Please don't. Just look.
47:03I promise you right now is the worst.
47:05I promise you right now
47:07it doesn't matter who you've been with,
47:09what you've got, what you do for a living,
47:11how big or small your house is.
47:13When that happens, when you know in your guts
47:15it's horrible, there isn't anybody that can say anything
47:17but there really is only one way
47:19and you discover that...
47:21Go away!
47:23You discover who matters. I know he's everything to you
47:25but you know something? If you were able, with our help,
47:27and look, you'd think, my God.
47:29APPLAUSE
47:31I'm going to help you, all right?
47:33Is Graham there?
47:35Where is he?
47:37The aftercare team are in the pod.
47:39I promise you, I want you to be strong.
47:41I know they'll tell me you get home with him
47:43but I'm going to tell you something.
47:45If you were ever able to break free from that
47:47you'd be a completely different girl and you'd fly
47:49and you'd have a different life and your kids are great
47:51and that says so much about you
47:53and very little about him.
47:55Can I have a hug?
47:57APPLAUSE
48:01Give her a round of applause.
48:03CHEERING
48:05Horrible situation, we'll work with it, we'll let you know
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48:17Take care, bye-bye for now.
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