The Jeremy Kyle Show (27 March 2018)
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00:10On today's show...
00:12Why are you so sure that Louise is a thief?
00:15Because she's done it before.
00:20I'm Herbie Stack. Right.
00:22I'm also offering the key to seeing this morning.
00:24He's the family thief, he's the one who's known.
00:26I'm the family thief, I'm the one who works.
00:28Who are you? Calling my daughter a thief?
00:33What proof have you got?
00:35We asked Louise if he used Adrian's bank details to make any purchases without his permission.
00:40You said no.
00:44Get her off the stage, I'm supposed to stand that watch.
00:46It's like my daughter proving her innocence today.
00:51Would you be devastated if you failed?
00:53I will. Not putting up with it for much longer.
00:55Are you going to pass?
00:56Definitely.
00:57Note from the lie detector expert.
01:22Hello, my friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:24Right, my first guest today, Carl, is here because he believes
01:26that someone in his family has committed the ultimate sin by stealing.
01:29He says he's absolutely adamant his niece, Louise,
01:32stole up to £4,000 of his brother's money
01:35and today has demanded this girl takes a lie detector test.
01:38He says Louise has a history of stealing and since this all happened,
01:41both her and her troublemaking sister, Sophie,
01:44have caused nothing but drama in the family.
01:46Strong words, and this guy says today it's being sorted.
01:48Carl is on the Jeremy Carl Show. That way.
01:55Nice to meet you.
01:57Let's just reveal this before we start.
01:59You are here representing your brother, Adrian.
02:03That's correct.
02:04He's not able to be here today
02:06and he's the one that allegedly this £4,000 was nicked from.
02:10Let's have some fact.
02:11You accused Louise, 19, on her own or...?
02:16On her own, yeah.
02:17Tell me the story, buddy.
02:19She had his bank details.
02:21And she was ordering iTunes and that on her phone
02:24and going to Primark every day.
02:28Sorry, who are you?
02:29Who's the family thief? Who's the family thief?
02:31Do you see her, man? Do you see her?
02:37Sorry, hold on a minute.
02:38First of all, she's not on the stage, she's in the audience.
02:41Secondly, who are you?
02:43I'm her sister.
02:44I've also been accused of stealing this money.
02:46He's the family thief. He's the one...
02:48Who's the one? I'm the family thief.
02:50I'm the one who works.
02:51Do you want to test him?
02:52Well, this is a good start.
02:54I haven't even spoken yet.
02:56It's called the Jeremy Carl Show.
02:58CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
03:03What, what, what?
03:04What's it there threatening me?
03:06Who's threatening?
03:07What, what? What, what? What does that mean?
03:10Watch? She's telling me to watch?
03:12Oi! That's... Who's that?
03:14That's Louise.
03:15Right, Lou, seriously, can I speak to...
03:17You need to speak up. You're really...
03:19Your brother is not here. No.
03:21Four grand allegedly went missing from his account. Yeah.
03:24Your sole reason for accusing Louise is that she had his details.
03:28What does that mean? Why?
03:30She had his bank details. Why?
03:32Because he gave her bank details to all the small loans.
03:35Someone else also had the bank details.
03:38Did somebody else go and get bought into this kind of thing?
03:41You say that she needs to take responsibility for her actions
03:44and Sophie's an interfering rat. Yeah.
03:46A rat! A rat! How do you see it now?
03:48How do you see it? Bruce Forsythe!
03:50CHEERING
03:51You! You!
03:52Calling my daughter a thing? Yeah.
03:54You... favourite...
03:56You're the one who has to wrap the bags up when you're in the ring.
03:59You're the one who has to wrap the bags up when you come through the...
04:02Oh, yeah. Is that your...
04:04Is that your brother? Are you Louise's mother?
04:06That's right, yeah. I bet it was you.
04:08I bet it was you. They took all his money out the bank.
04:10Could you go and sit down until I... Jealous.
04:12It was you. Jealous. Yeah.
04:14It was my daughter. You're looking at your own daughter.
04:16Do you know how much it's hurting her?
04:18When this lot of text comes through...
04:20We're with children and you lot are accusing her.
04:22Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think.
04:24I do not think.
04:26You'll all see today when it all comes out.
04:28Who are we? You what? No.
04:30You'll all see today. Could you go and sit down?
04:32Go! Yeah.
04:34And you don't stick her up for him.
04:36CHEERING
04:38What have I done wrong?
04:40I don't know.
04:42Are you talking to me? I haven't heard anything yet.
04:44Can you sit up straight?
04:46Why are you so sure that Louise is a thief?
04:48Because she's done it before.
04:50Oh, but what has she stolen?
04:52The photo bank card.
04:54And there was all this stuff on the bank card.
04:56And whose bank card it was... Can you let him speak, Sophie?
04:58Is that all right? Yeah. It was a woman who...
05:00Can I read a statement from your brother?
05:02What's he called? Adrian.
05:04I am unable to attend the Jeremy Kyle show today
05:06as I'm too upset over what's happened.
05:09I can't believe that one of me family is stolen,
05:12and I know for a fact that my niece Louise has stolen
05:14four grand of me dosh.
05:16She had my bank details and was well aware of my password
05:18after she helped me make an online purchase.
05:20Didn't say purchase, thought I'd do that.
05:22She evidently kept hold of my details
05:24so she could use them to access my account
05:26to get in behind my back.
05:28The grief I've had of Louise's sister Sophie
05:30and her mum Sheila is ridiculous.
05:32I am the victim here, as it is my money that's been stolen.
05:34When that woman fails the lie detector test,
05:36she's gone.
05:38I want nothing more to do with her.
05:40You're absolutely convinced. What if you are right?
05:42What happens? Do you go to the police?
05:44Well, yeah.
05:46LAUGHTER
05:48Brilliant reaction.
05:50What if you're wrong and she's right? What are you going to do then?
05:52Just walk off. Just walk off.
05:54But you're accusing her on national television
05:56of being a teenie. Based on what?
05:58Based on what?
06:00If she's done it before, when she found her card...
06:02Have you ever stolen anything?
06:04I've done what?
06:06I'm a working man now.
06:08Isn't it true that you stole off your own sister?
06:10Oi! I'm talking! Shut your mouth until I tell you!
06:12APPLAUSE
06:18I've given you enough.
06:20Have you stolen off your sister before?
06:22I have, yeah.
06:24So in fact, you've got form, yeah?
06:26Let's get Louise on the Jeremy Carl show.
06:28Let me do it.
06:30APPLAUSE
06:32Who called me a thief?
06:34How can you call me a thief?
06:36I've called you a thief. I've called you a thief.
06:38Who found your card? Who found your card in the street?
06:40It wasn't me. No, it wasn't me. It wasn't me at all.
06:42Have you got any proof it's me?
06:44Who phoned the 14 from my uncle?
06:46Who phoned the 14 from my uncle to get the money back?
06:48Who cancelled the subscription on iTunes?
06:50Your dad took you to the police station?
06:52Who cancelled the subscription on iTunes?
06:54You... What?
06:56Who cancelled the subscription on iTunes?
06:58Yeah. These iTunes...
07:00Oh, Jeremy Kyle, yes.
07:02These iTunes, yeah. How are you?
07:04I'm fine, thank you. Did you steal the money?
07:06No. 100%.
07:08But you had his bank details. It was an old card, yeah.
07:10I don't really understand, but try.
07:12It was a bank card, an old card,
07:14and because it previously happened on that card,
07:16he has a new bank card,
07:18which any other person would know. They have new details.
07:20So you didn't steal the money? No.
07:22This is your uncle. I know.
07:24Accusing you on national television. You say he's a stirrer.
07:26What's he done to the family?
07:28I'm asking her, not you.
07:30Then be quiet.
07:32What? I haven't even started yet.
07:34Shut up.
07:36Go on.
07:38Talk to me how I want.
07:42Then shut up until you're asked,
07:44cos she's got as much right now to put her case as you've done.
07:46APPLAUSE
07:52Why is he accusing you, and what's he done to the family?
07:54He's teared it apart to accuse me.
07:56You have no evidence whatsoever.
07:58No evidence at all.
08:00You say, I admit I have my... This is brilliant.
08:02I admit to my uncle's bank details,
08:04but he needed help to buy some dog shampoo online.
08:06LAUGHTER
08:08You were doing him a favour.
08:10Karl thinks he's the man, he's cocky,
08:12and in fact he's the tea leaf and he's the badden.
08:14Is that right? Yeah.
08:16That's true, though, isn't it?
08:18Well, I've put me hands up. I used to be a thief,
08:20but I work for my money now.
08:22Yeah, but hold on a second. On the basis of the fact
08:24that you have no proof she's ever stolen,
08:26you're on national television... It's not proof.
08:28Dad took her to the police station when she found a card in the street,
08:30and she was organising stuff off the card.
08:32And the woman whose card it was... To her, not me.
08:34The woman whose card it was... Was it me?
08:36Was it me? Was it me?
08:38No, it wasn't. Was it me?
08:40It was one of you two.
08:42You've got no evidence to be won.
08:44You've got no evidence to be won. All your shoes on you.
08:46You claim your working money you don't steal.
08:48You've got five kids, one on the way.
08:50You don't look after none of them.
08:52You've got no evidence to be won.
08:54You've got no evidence to be won.
08:56You've got no evidence to be won.
08:58You've got no evidence to be won.
09:00You've got no evidence to be won.
09:02You've got no evidence to be won.
09:04You've got no evidence to be won.
09:06You've got no evidence to be won.
09:08You've got no evidence to be won.
09:10You've got no evidence to be won.
09:12You've got no evidence to be won.
09:14You've got no evidence to be won.
09:16You've got no evidence to be won.
09:18You've got no evidence to be won.
09:20I'll get you on when I've read it.
09:22You think you're somebody, you little rat.
09:24Your sister and your mother.
09:26Are you devastated by this?
09:28Get your point across.
09:30Stuck for words?
09:32Why am I stuck for words?
09:34Have you not got any proof?
09:36What proof have you got?
09:38What type of person who stole money
09:40is going to go to the person's house
09:42and fold the fraud team over him?
09:44Whose phone got blocked?
09:46Your iTunes.
09:48Two days later, the phone got blocked.
09:50This phone, my phone, I had it from a shop in...
09:52Whatever.
09:54And they gave me this SIM card to put into my phone
09:56to unblock my phone to any network
09:58and that SIM card stopped working
10:00so I had to...
10:02You really don't believe her, do you?
10:04No, no, no.
10:06Because when my brother found the bank up...
10:08Your other uncle genuinely believes that you've stolen that?
10:10Uh-huh.
10:12But when my brother found the bank up,
10:14the bank told my brother,
10:16the phone would get blocked.
10:18She'd come two days later, the phone was blocked.
10:20Explain that one.
10:22Let's get your mum out. Sheila's on the Jeremy Carr Show.
10:24CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
10:28The phone as well.
10:30The phone, because it had a no-chip in it,
10:32because it was up being...
10:34What's changing network for the phone?
10:36That's why you then all get wiped off car.
10:38Yeah, whatever.
10:40Sheila, we'll come to the show eventually.
10:42Shout out. Sheila, answer me this.
10:44You say he's got a bit of an attitude, thinks he's a macho man,
10:46but it's him who actually stole off you.
10:48What was that all about? Who stole off him? Him.
10:50He has stolen off me now.
10:52Can I be sure? Can I be sure?
10:54Can I be sure?
10:56Have you held your hand up on the phone
10:58that you're smoky?
11:00I do smoke weed. I do.
11:02I've told him in the back as well.
11:04You want to tell him I smoke every day?
11:06I work for my money. I work for my money.
11:08What does he do? Push his foot round mummy?
11:10No, she does work.
11:12What do you work as?
11:14What do I work as?
11:16What's it got to do with you?
11:18Tell my team that because of this
11:20and because of Adrian's accusations
11:22whole families turn on each other. Horrible.
11:24We don't talk to each other now.
11:26It's causing stress on my dad as well.
11:28There's a death in the family.
11:30Somebody's been banned. Who's been banned?
11:32My mum. They're telling me I can't go to the funeral.
11:34But I'll show them all.
11:36I'll be there Tuesday morning.
11:38You watch. You watch.
11:40You told us you weren't going.
11:42What's it got to do with you?
11:44If you're not going because you're busy working
11:46you've given up thieving.
11:48So why can't they go?
11:50Because you're stopping them at work.
11:52They still work.
11:54You want to stop what?
11:56Is trouble what they're doing?
11:58Trouble?
12:00My daughter's been accused
12:02and we'll all see today.
12:04We'll see tonight
12:06who stole the money.
12:08Did you steal the money?
12:10Did your daughter steal the money?
12:12Do you think she stole the money?
12:14We've got the results.
12:18We asked Louise if you used Adrian's bank details
12:20to make any purchases without his permission.
12:22You said no. Why did you say no?
12:24I'm staying in this room.
12:38It's all kicking off. Security.
12:46This test says you're a liar, love.
12:48This isn't about you.
12:50This is about your children.
12:52Oh, here we go.
12:54Okay, more happiness after.
12:58Oh, get off.
13:00No, no, no, no, no.
13:02Get off.
13:04No, no, no, no.
13:08Oh, my Lord.
13:10Nick Phillips, go for it.
13:12Who wants to put up with this?
13:16There's a feud in the family
13:18tearing your family apart.
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13:22and need my help to prove it?
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13:50Welcome back.
13:52The accusation from you based on what you saw,
13:54what you know,
13:56what your brother Adrian, who can't be here, told you.
13:58It's the basis of you saying
14:00that she nicked four grand.
14:02She had his credit card details.
14:04She said that was because I'm speaking.
14:06No, because he's a carer for me dad.
14:10He looks after Dad.
14:12You're telling me he looks after Dad?
14:14Come on, you guys, personally, when you come to Mum's room
14:16and he looks after Dad,
14:18he will now look after Dad.
14:20You're back in his game.
14:22What?
14:24Do you want to sit down here?
14:26Welcome to the show.
14:28APPLAUSE
14:32Who's a rat?
14:34Who looks after Dad?
14:36Why is he not here today?
14:38Why is he not here?
14:40Hold on.
14:42Is he here?
14:44I'll be here.
14:46Who's talking to you?
14:48I don't want you on this stage.
14:50Look after your kids.
14:52Get her off the stage.
14:54She's Jeremy's.
14:56Jeremy's not your stage.
14:58My daughter proving her innocent today.
15:00We'll see.
15:02How many people in the audience
15:04think Louise is guilty of stealing this money?
15:06Put your hand in the air.
15:10It's all normal.
15:12It's all normal.
15:14Open it.
15:16Open it.
15:18I'll do what I'm told.
15:20It's not my show, is it?
15:22She's four grand cos you had Uncle Adrian's credit card details.
15:24She did everything for Uncle Adrian.
15:26That's why he's accusing.
15:28Louise, the type of person to do anything for anyone.
15:30Anybody.
15:32Have you used Adrian's bank details
15:34to make any purchases without his permission?
15:36You said no to the tune of 4,000.
15:38You said no. Why did you say no?
15:40I was telling the truth.
15:42She was telling the truth.
15:44APPLAUSE
15:46And also,
15:48on Theft Alarm,
15:50we always ask,
15:52do you know for sure who was involved
15:54with anybody making those purchases without his permission?
15:56You said no. Full house.
15:58APPLAUSE
16:04Thank you very much.
16:08Thank you, everybody.
16:10APPLAUSE
16:16Do you know, sometimes I wonder...
16:18We're all running around... I don't know what's going on now.
16:20Stephanie's in the way.
16:22Come on. What's going on? Come here.
16:24Hey, hey, hey, hey.
16:26Hey, hey.
16:28It's fine. You did it. It's horrible.
16:30Horrible when you get accused.
16:32It's done.
16:34I'm waiting for it.
16:36I'm waiting for an apology. That's what I want.
16:38Yeah, I'm waiting for an apology.
16:40Be man enough to say sorry.
16:42Well, what?
16:44Apologise. Apologise.
16:46Apologise.
16:48Why wouldn't you be a man
16:50and apologise for making out with others?
16:52Because you were a tea leaf before.
16:54You were a tea leaf, weren't you?
16:56So what?
16:58Say sorry.
17:00Say sorry. Why not?
17:02You're going to make me say sorry.
17:04Am I going to what?
17:06You're supposed to be a man. Hold on a minute.
17:08No, I would have thought if you had any decency in you,
17:10which you don't, you would have just said sorry
17:12She hasn't done it. Say sorry.
17:14I won't.
17:16I'm so sorry. Do you know what?
17:18You wouldn't want to be with a family like that, would you?
17:20Finish now.
17:22You've done the very most it means to us.
17:24Don't behave like one then.
17:26Say sorry then.
17:28I'm not saying man,
17:30but say sorry. Be a man.
17:32Because you made a false allegation.
17:34So what?
17:36Yeah, well, that sums you up, doesn't it? Innocent.
17:38Shut your mouth.
17:40Honest to God.
17:42Well, yeah, you don't look innocent.
17:44Come back over there.
17:46I'm standing here for what?
17:48You were running down.
17:50So what?
17:52Right, listen.
17:54Done. Happy?
17:56Don't know where we're going next.
17:58I'm going that way.
18:00Well done. Give them a round of applause.
18:02You should apologise, but you won't.
18:04APPLAUSE
18:06We will keep you updated.
18:08Our next guests today are no strangers to this stage.
18:10After they'd previously appeared on the show
18:12for all-important lie detector results,
18:14take a look at this, my friends.
18:16I'm 50-50 if my fiancée is a cheat.
18:18She stares at other men in the street while I'm with her.
18:20Not so much stares.
18:22She has a good look.
18:24Apparently you stare at young men.
18:26I don't stare at anyone.
18:28How long have you been with her?
18:30She passed every single question.
18:32APPLAUSE
18:38What about a challenge?
18:40I've come back.
18:42Yeah, you should do.
18:44I put it to him.
18:46Today they're back.
18:48This time Cherie is demanding her fiancé Hayden
18:50takes the lie detector.
18:52She says, you know what?
18:54You accused me for so long.
18:56Maybe it's you who's the cheat.
18:58She says their engagement party will be cancelled.
19:00The wedding's off if he fails the Jeremy Kyle lie detector.
19:02This is a huge day.
19:04Cherie is back on The Kyle Show.
19:06APPLAUSE
19:12How are you?
19:14Nervous.
19:16What was really interesting last time
19:18was that this guy came out
19:20and fancied himself a bit and gave it large
19:22and everybody looked at you and thought whatever
19:24and you nailed it.
19:26Yep.
19:28Tell me what that was like to be accused
19:30and to have to come and do that.
19:32It was horrible to have to come and do it
19:34In terms of him afterwards,
19:36was he apologetic?
19:38Very.
19:40Is there a part of you that thinks
19:42that he accused you because he's up to no good?
19:44Yes, I thought.
19:46What's the relationship been like since the show?
19:48A lot better.
19:50But at the end of the day
19:52I've still got that thought in the back of my head.
19:54Let's talk about the messages. Have you read them?
19:56I've seen them.
19:58One night we had a fallout
20:00and I went through to my bed and he sat in the living room.
20:02He had sat through there all night
20:04and when I woke up he was in the bed next to me
20:06went through to the living room to sit and watch TV
20:08and his phone buzzed.
20:10There was about 5 or 6 messages from different women
20:12basically him trying to go get them.
20:14To go and get them?
20:16Yeah. One said that she was on her way to her work
20:18and he asked to go get her, to take her to work
20:20so he could go see her.
20:22What, a complete stranger?
20:24A complete stranger.
20:26So your boyfriend or fiance just goes online
20:28not that I understand how you do that
20:30but I'd like to come and take you to work.
20:32Yeah, very much.
20:34Let's talk about the going back to somebody else.
20:36You've had breakups, right?
20:38That's the big issue, right?
20:40What would you do if he's failed?
20:42And I'm being serious.
20:44It's easy for me to read that, oh we'll cancel this, we'll do that
20:46but you mean this, don't you?
20:48You don't want to ruin it?
20:50You look stronger than you did last time.
20:52I am.
20:54Because I've proved my point.
20:56You're a bit nervous?
20:58He's much quieter today, they said.
21:00Yeah.
21:02Will you be devastated if he fails?
21:04I will, but I'm not putting up with it for much longer.
21:06Love you.
21:08Right, let's get him back.
21:10He made you do one, you passed it with flying colours,
21:12we set him a challenge, he accepted that challenge.
21:14Hayden is back on the Jeremy Carl Show, that way.
21:16APPLAUSE
21:22Somebody said when they saw you,
21:24you were like the Posh and Becks of the Jeremy Carl Show.
21:26You've cheated on her, she passed the lie detector
21:28and now it's my turn, I'm totally innocent.
21:30No, I'm totally innocent, yeah.
21:32Sorry?
21:34I am totally innocent.
21:36You have cheated though, in your own words,
21:38I've slept with over 40 women,
21:40I've cheated on everybody I've ever been with
21:42but I'm a one woman man because this woman has changed my life.
21:44Yeah.
21:46100%.
21:48Tell me about these messages to strangers offering to take them to work.
21:50I can't remember when I was that drunk.
21:52Why'd you do it?
21:54Very honest, isn't he?
21:56Or is he?
21:58How many people think he's going to fail, just out of interest?
22:00No...
22:02Oh, oh.
22:04Five or six.
22:06You've not long to wait.
22:08Is he getting married to her or not?
22:10You'll find out after the break, we're right back.
22:12We asked Hayden, since the start of your relationship with Cherie,
22:14apart from what she'd admitted to,
22:16have you passionately kissed anyone else?
22:18You said no, why did you say no?
22:20Truth.
22:22Because you stole off someone else and have nowhere to go yet again.
22:24If you don't want to know us, stop turning up.
22:52That's right.
22:54That's right.
22:56That's right.
22:58That's right.
23:00That's right.
23:02That's right.
23:04That's right.
23:06That's right.
23:08That's right.
23:10That's right.
23:12That's right.
23:14That's right.
23:16That's right.
23:18That's right.
23:20That's right.
23:22That's right.
23:24That's right.
23:26That's right.
23:28That's right.
23:30That's right.
23:32That's right.
23:34That's right.
23:36That's right.
23:38That's right.
23:40That's right.
23:42That's right.
23:44That's right.
23:46That's right.
23:48Note from the lie detector expert.
23:50You do know this.
23:52Hayden admitted at the start of the test
23:54to sleeping with an ex on one occasion during a break.
23:56We have to put that at the top
23:58so we include it so there's no discrepancy.
24:00We asked Hayden,
24:02since the start of your relationship with Cherie,
24:04apart from what you've admitted to,
24:06have you passionately kissed anyone else?
24:08You said no, why did you say no?
24:10Truth.
24:12Test says you're a liar, pal.
24:14A liar?
24:16No.
24:18Honestly?
24:20Yeah.
24:22What's the other question?
24:24Sorry?
24:26Well, let's go and see her first, shall we?
24:30You need to hurry up, mate,
24:32she's running.
24:40Cherie!
24:46I can swear
24:48I've never kissed anybody.
24:52I've not.
24:54Not one person.
24:56Right, let me just explain something to you
24:58because I don't take any delight in this.
25:00You're a lie detector.
25:02You believed it, right?
25:04You failed every single question.
25:06If you go into that test and you lie,
25:08mate, listen to me, listen to me.
25:10The easiest thing in the world
25:12on this show is to say
25:14it happened one night, right?
25:16Maybe it happened more than one night,
25:18maybe it happened with the same person more than once,
25:20but I'm telling you, she passed it with flying colours
25:22and you failed, mate, and I'm not, I wouldn't,
25:24I genuinely wouldn't, that is absolutely...
25:30I genuinely, genuinely,
25:32and I'm being straight with you,
25:34I didn't think that was going to happen.
25:36I thought you were going to pass that
25:38with flying colours, so something has happened.
25:40Can I do another one?
25:44Tell us the truth and I'll help you.
25:46Honestly, I can...
25:48Listen to me, listen to me.
25:50I know this is what it comes down to.
25:52She loves you, right? Something else has happened.
25:54It could be during that break you kissed somebody
25:56or you touched somebody on the backside
25:58or something, and mate, listen,
26:00I like you both,
26:02so I don't want to have to do this,
26:04but I'm also paid to tell the truth
26:06and that's what the examiner told me.
26:08Is there any way I could come back
26:10maybe three weeks and do one more?
26:12Because...
26:14Why do you think you failed that?
26:16I don't know. Because you were lying.
26:18There's got to be something, mate.
26:20Mate, I can't listen.
26:22I can stand here and I can shout
26:24and I can scream because I like you or whatever,
26:26but the fact is you failed the test
26:28and the fact is something has happened.
26:30What I'll give you an opportunity to do
26:32is as follows, right?
26:34I've got to do a part.
26:36Get your head on gear.
26:38I'll come and see you at the end.
26:40We stand by that a million percent.
26:42Yes, she loves you, yes, she loves her,
26:44but there's got to be something.
26:46If you've got like ten minutes to talk to her,
26:48but there's something, mate, whether you like it or not,
26:50and I'm not going to waste my time.
26:52Can he have that ten minutes?
26:54Can he sit in the green room maybe and see?
26:56There's got to be something there, pal,
26:58and I know your eyes as well because you've changed your demeanour.
27:00There is something.
27:02There's nothing at all?
27:04No, I'll happily come back and do the test.
27:06She's not coming to get married, mate,
27:08but it's not your fault.
27:10No, I know that.
27:12So if it's your fault, there must be something you've done, then?
27:14Well, I know this is my fault, but none of them.
27:16Thoughts?
27:18That should be the obvious thing.
27:20I don't know.
27:22I've told her last night.
27:24A minute ago you said you were leaving him.
27:26He's failed.
27:28Yeah, but I'll give him ten minutes,
27:30and if he doesn't tell me what else has gone on,
27:32then it is finished.
27:34I wouldn't bring him on the show again.
27:36We'll catch up with them at the end of the show.
27:38We'll let you know.
27:40And don't forget, for exclusive updates on my guests
27:42and what happens after they've left the stage,
27:44don't forget you can like us on Facebook,
27:46follow us on Twitter, whatever that means.
27:48Right, my next guest today, Shannon says she wants to prove
27:50her brother Anthony stole from her boyfriend, Zach.
27:52She says that she was left furious to discover
27:54her boyfriend had been victim of a theft
27:56and instantly knew that brother Anthony was to blame.
27:58Today she says he will fail and he is gone.
28:00Strong words.
28:02Shannon, next on The Jeremy Carr Show. That way.
28:04CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
28:10That was the quickest walk-on ever.
28:12Now, the thing about this is,
28:14without you getting upset, right,
28:16we've done this before,
28:18you've come on,
28:20you've accused him,
28:22you've told me awful things,
28:24and then this happens. Have a watch.
28:28About three months ago,
28:30my brother's phone went missing.
28:32My brother and him in the house at the time,
28:34he's got a really bad history.
28:36He's robbed off everyone he's ever been around.
28:38He's just taken the mick out of everybody, his whole life,
28:40that's all he does. I didn't nick the phone
28:42and I don't want nothing to do with any of them.
28:44Why did you accuse him of stealing his phone?
28:46Because he was living at ours
28:48when the phone went missing. It happens nearly every month.
28:50He passed the test, he didn't nick the phone.
28:52Do one.
28:56No, you can do...
28:59So why are we back?
29:01Because all you've said this morning to my team
29:03is he pulled the wool over Jeremy Carl's eyes
29:05and I know he's a tea leaf.
29:07It's almost like, right, what are you going to try now?
29:09It's like you're out to frame him
29:11and you won't rest until you nail him.
29:13He passed it last time.
29:15Well, I understand he passed last time.
29:17There was a couple of other people it could have been last time.
29:19This time, him, it was literally...
29:21He was in the house.
29:23He'd been in our house for three hours since it happened,
29:25since Jeremy Carl. He sent my mum a message,
29:27I love you, I'm sorry, all this.
29:29He turned up at our house the day after Christmas
29:31and the day after he was in our house, he went missing.
29:33You say he's no brother of yours, you don't trust him at all?
29:36No, I don't trust him. I don't trust him being around.
29:38Oh, shut up, you...
29:40What?!
29:42Lovely way to speak to your brother.
29:44He's a liability. He can have his stuff and I want him out of our lives.
29:46What do you mean by that? Is he living with you?
29:48No, he said on the stage, we said we didn't want to know him
29:50and he said, good, cos I don't want to know you either.
29:52When we came on here last time, he then sent my mum a big message,
29:55worked his way around her. I didn't want to know him anyway.
29:58I didn't want to know him when he turned up at my house.
30:00But that's why I think it sounds like, I'm not making a judgement,
30:03maybe he'll file, but it's almost like you won't rest
30:05until you've nailed this man.
30:07No, we tried getting... What, he came round our house...
30:09He ruined my life and John lost. It's her son.
30:11You say a leopard never changes its spots,
30:13this guy will not con you this time, Carl,
30:15this guy's going to fail the test and then he's out of our family.
30:17That's what you reckon, yeah?
30:19I did not steal it!
30:21This is the second time he's stolen since the last show.
30:23He literally... What if he passes today?
30:27I don't think he's going to. I'm 99% sure it was him.
30:30You were 1,000% this morning.
30:32It was him and his mate in our house.
30:34And if it wasn't him, he knew who it was.
30:36So it fell on one way or the other? Yeah.
30:38It was him and there was his mate who was round our house.
30:40Are you sure you're not just anti him and want him gone?
30:42No, there was no-one else in the house.
30:44So we've done another lie detector. Yeah.
30:47Headphones, wasn't it? Doesn't matter how much they were,
30:49it was headphones, important headphones to the Boyfriends Act.
30:52Anthony's back on the Jeremy Carl show.
31:01Where's he gone?
31:03What?
31:05Do you know what? In the end, I am going to give up having a stage.
31:08Where's he gone?
31:10Oh, come on, mate, what is that all about?
31:12Why do I bother?
31:14Spent years trying to get me own stage.
31:16Never, ever go on it any more.
31:19Sorry, could you just explain to me why you're here and not on the stage?
31:23Because I've had enough of it. What's that all about?
31:25What? I've had enough. Sir, have I?
31:27I don't want nothing to do with you. I'm not against you.
31:29You don't turn up at our house then.
31:31You turned up at our house because you stole off someone else
31:34and had nowhere to go yet again.
31:36If you don't want to know us, stop turning up.
31:38You turned up... You only just keep trying to stitch me up.
31:41You turned up... You stupid...
31:43..two days later to buy your own food in Royal Houston.
31:47Can you sit down? Where are you going now?
31:49Smoking weed. How are you smoking weed with no money, Anthony?
31:52Smoking weed? Smoking weed is a boy with a girlfriend and a friend's house.
31:55You don't think I'm smoking weed? I don't touch drugs, you...
31:58We have everybody... Yes, you do.
32:00Not a gun. Not a gun.
32:0224 hours a day, before you left here, and we had everybody telling you.
32:05Everybody telling us what you were doing. Whatever.
32:07How did you have food and drink in Morrison's the day after
32:10my boyfriend's headphones went missing then, Anthony?
32:14Sorry, I know nobody's paying any attention to me, but this is my show.
32:18Mum, what's your name again? Kim.
32:20You see, you're back. It does... Can I put it to you?
32:23I had to pick up what Anthony said.
32:25They said you pulled the wool over my eyes last time.
32:27It's almost like they won't rest until they've nailed this bloke.
32:30It's not the case at all. Well, what is it? Wait, let her speak.
32:33What's the case, then? He passed.
32:35Anthony came round my house Christmas Day. Yeah.
32:39Well, he contacted me Christmas Day.
32:42And then came round the day after.
32:44We were willing to put everything behind us and sort stuff out
32:48until the headphones went missing,
32:50and Anthony was the only person in my house.
32:54He said that he was kicked out, he's been accused again,
32:57he was left nothing over Christmas of what he was stood up in.
33:00You say they're just trying to stitch you up the whole time.
33:02I'm trying to move on with my life and they keep dragging me back.
33:05That's not the case at all. I'm not being funny, Jeremy.
33:07He says you've rung the police, you'll do nothing to stop yourself.
33:10We rang the police cos he turned up at our door,
33:12he chucked an orange on New Year's Eve at our door.
33:15Straight after that, he kicked our door six times. An orange?
33:18Yeah, then kicked our door six times. Why did you throw an orange at her door?
33:21Do you wonder why, when her partner... Why didn't you...?
33:23Hold on, it was Christmas, you should have...
33:25Her partner, I was afraid you'd have ripped my head off.
33:27It was Christmas, you should have thrown a tangerine or a clementine.
33:30You didn't throw an orange two days after Christmas.
33:32Then the headphones went missing. Did you steal the headphones? No.
33:35Why did you throw an orange and not a Tatsuma? It was Christmas.
33:38But the problem is, he didn't even need to do any of it.
33:40Do you think he nicked these? Yeah. And what if you're wrong again?
33:43Then we'll leave him alone, but he doesn't need us anymore.
33:45I'm done with you all anyway, you can stay out of my home.
33:47We want you to be done with us. You won't leave us alone.
33:49I want us to crack and you can jog on.
33:51Your son is here. Good, but that's your son.
33:53He's saying we left him with nothing.
33:55My son, we gave him stuff.
33:57He treats me like absolute rubbish, that has hit me in the past.
34:01He's hit me before.
34:03We've got to get him to come back.
34:05Have you hit your mum? No.
34:08Who are you? I'm the boyfriend.
34:10What's the headphones?
34:12Shut up, you little boy.
34:17He's not the little boy. You really do.
34:19Come on, come on. Boxing day, kick the football.
34:22Is that what you're going to say, you're a mat?
34:28I'm a bigger man than you are, Anthony.
34:30Well, you're not really.
34:33He's bigger than both of you.
34:37So you wrecked me solely? Yes.
34:39What if he didn't? What if you're wrong again?
34:41I can't keep doing this, I'm going to have a breakdown.
34:43If he didn't, he knew who it was.
34:45Did you steal the headset? No.
34:47Doing the lie detector after the break, right back, don't go anywhere.
34:49Did you steal the headset? No.
34:51We asked Anthony, second time on the Jeremy Carr show,
34:53did you steal Zak's missing headphones?
34:55He said no. Why do you think he said no?
35:07It's all kicking off, security.
35:13This test says you're a liar, love.
35:17This isn't about you, this is about your children.
35:19Oh, here we go, the couple in this.
35:21Okay, more happiness after.
35:25Oh, get off.
35:27No, no, no, no, no.
35:29Oh, no, no, no, no.
35:31Oh, no, no, no, no.
35:33Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
35:35No, no, no, no, no.
35:39Oh, my Lord.
35:41Nick Phillips, go for it.
35:43Who wants to put up with this?
35:49Do you think you're being lied to?
35:51Do you have evidence to prove it,
35:53like home videos, recordings or texts,
35:55that you want to confront someone with?
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36:23Welcome back.
36:25Before the break, we were talking to siblings.
36:27We threw the mother in, we threw the new boyfriend in.
36:29We're in this wonderful place backstage.
36:31I don't bother having a stage anymore
36:33because nobody ever spends any time on it.
36:37Second time you've accused him,
36:39first time he passed with flying colours.
36:41I said to you,
36:43are you not just obsessed with trying to nail him at whatever cost?
36:45You say, that's what I feel like.
36:47I feel victimised.
36:49I feel like my family are turning against me.
36:51After today, I'm done.
36:53Did you steal them?
36:55No.
36:57Sure?
36:59No.
37:01Can I have the results, Will, please?
37:03What happens if he did?
37:05We don't want to know.
37:07Should you be talking for your mum?
37:09She's the one that said it as well.
37:11He turned up at our door and he said,
37:13Oh, Mum, I love you.
37:15There's a part of me,
37:17before I even read this,
37:19that thinks I might just be right,
37:21that you're out to get him.
37:23I don't know what the reasons are.
37:25We asked Anthony,
37:27why do you think he said no?
37:29Because yet again, he was telling the truth
37:31on both questions.
37:33Well done, mate.
37:35Do what you want.
37:37Not only did he not steal them,
37:39he doesn't know who stole them.
37:41You can shake your head all you want,
37:43because I've done my job.
37:45This is the second time.
37:47You might not like this.
37:49You want to spend a little less time attacking your son
37:51and a bit more trying,
37:53because I'm telling you now,
37:55he's part bald.
37:57Can we please try, Graham,
37:59to put this just for me?
38:01He's not acting big.
38:03He's probably acting big.
38:05He's fed up of being accused of things.
38:07Anthony, come here, bud.
38:09Come here, mate.
38:11Come here.
38:13I'm too old to run around.
38:15Anthony, come here.
38:17Come here.
38:19I'm done, mate.
38:21I don't want to know.
38:23I'm staying out of my life. I'm done.
38:25I'm staying out of that.
38:27I just want to be a fun boy.
38:29Are you feeling like a boy?
38:31You can't do any more on this show
38:33than come on twice and pass two lie detectors.
38:35We'll do our best to try and put you together,
38:37but at the end of the day, guys,
38:39you passed both with flying colours.
38:41Don't.
38:43I'm telling you now, I ain't coming in here again
38:45to be told by my production team
38:47that you're accusing him of stealing,
38:49because I believe the boy.
38:51I agree with that.
38:53He said he didn't want to know.
38:55He turned up at our door.
38:57I'm not sticking up for him.
38:59You think I am. I'm not.
39:01But if you constantly are the person
39:03that's accused, put in the spotlight,
39:05has it put on them,
39:07and twice you come on national television
39:09and millions of people, when everybody's lambasting you,
39:11and you prove it, if you were me, you'd go,
39:13hold on, you've got to cut in some slack.
39:15Then let's try...
39:17He turned up at our house.
39:19He didn't want to know because he's act off,
39:21because he's embarrassed, because that's his way back.
39:23Can we try backstage with Graham?
39:25Can we just try before he leaves the building, yes or no?
39:27He won't talk.
39:29If we can get him to, will you do that?
39:31I'll talk to him.
39:33Give him a round of applause and see if we can sort that.
39:35APPLAUSE
39:37My next guest today, Adam, is here for life-changing DNA results
39:39on his potential son, Adam Jr.
39:41Now, he says that he was left devastated
39:43after he'd received a message on Facebook
39:45when his ex-partner, Deborah, was seven months pregnant,
39:47claiming she'd cheated on him
39:49and the baby she was carrying actually wasn't his.
39:51Now, Adam says he's struggled to bond with the baby,
39:53but is desperate to be the father.
39:55It is a massive day for this guy.
39:57Adam is next on the Jeremy Carr Show. That way.
39:59APPLAUSE
40:07You have that look that the men have
40:09when they walk out and it's D-Day.
40:11Welcome to the show.
40:13Are you with Deborah? No.
40:15What does today mean?
40:17Today, I wanted to make a pedestal
40:19so I could start it all again.
40:21When I first met Deb, I knew she was my soul mate.
40:23We hit it off so easily and I was in love.
40:25Me and her had planned for a baby.
40:27So when she was pregnant and she told you,
40:29how did you feel?
40:31I couldn't ask for any...
40:33I was jumping for joy, basically.
40:35Um...
40:37She and you, from that point,
40:39it sort of started to separate. Yeah.
40:41You became distant.
40:43The relationship finished.
40:45Are you still in love with this woman?
40:47Yeah, I walked her into earth.
40:49AUDIENCE GROANS
40:51What does she say?
40:53She loves me, I believe.
40:55Oh.
40:57I want my life back with him.
40:59Adam is definitely the dad, but I want an apology too.
41:01Why does she want an apology?
41:03Cos I was distant.
41:05I pushed her to the side.
41:07I showed her I didn't care, even though I did.
41:09I showed her I didn't care.
41:11It's hard for me to bond with this baby,
41:13I don't know if he's mine.
41:15So what happens now? You're not with her,
41:17you go and see the kid?
41:19Yeah, I see him regularly.
41:21When I'm not at work, I'll go see the baby.
41:23And he's called Adam Junior?
41:25Yeah.
41:27It's make or break.
41:29Why are we doing Double Ladder?
41:31Cos with me being distant,
41:33I ended up flirting.
41:35Right, so you don't trust her, she doesn't trust you.
41:37Now I want the pedestal to fix everything.
41:39So if you pass, she passes,
41:41and the DNA says you're the dad,
41:43we've got a family back on track.
41:45What happens if the baby's yours and she's cheated?
41:47Well, I can still put my family through
41:49and make babies more important.
41:51What if she hasn't cheated?
41:53APPLAUSE
41:55Massive day, right?
41:57Yeah.
41:59Well, listen, I respect you for coming on,
42:01a fair play to you. Let's get her out.
42:03Deborah's on the Jeremy Carr Show that way.
42:05APPLAUSE
42:09Why did you look annoyed at him?
42:11Cos he were accusing me of stuff,
42:13and for the simple fact he were flirting.
42:15Is he the father?
42:171,000%.
42:19Have you cheated?
42:21No.
42:23Do you think he's cheated?
42:25Yeah.
42:27Oh, God.
42:29Me just messing about and then it's all been blown out of proportion.
42:31You wouldn't say that, though, really?
42:33You love each other so much, don't you?
42:35Yeah, I do.
42:37Yeah.
42:39So, is there a chance that if I can give you
42:41three positive, good results,
42:43that this could work, that I could actually
42:45leave here today for once,
42:47thinking, you know, there's a family that's
42:49got back together, yeah?
42:51Yeah.
42:53I've got a picture, I did something,
42:55I've got a picture of you as a baby and Adam Junior as a baby.
42:57Take a look at this.
42:59So, that's obviously you.
43:01Yeah.
43:03What sort of dad is he?
43:05God. I mean, have you seen the ears?
43:09Please, God, can we have some good news?
43:11William, what are we starting with?
43:13DNA, the big thing, yes?
43:15Yeah.
43:17Have you cheated?
43:19No.
43:21I hope to God you haven't.
43:23The DNA test results show that Adam,
43:25and we did this by ear size,
43:27he is your child.
43:29CHEERING
43:31APPLAUSE
43:41I'll move you as soon as you are not going to move, yeah?
43:45We asked Deborah, since the start of your relationship
43:47with Adam, have you had sexual intercourse
43:49with anyone else? She said no. Why didn't you say no?
43:51I was telling the truth. Of course she was telling the truth!
43:53CHEERING
43:57I'm just going to tell you, son,
43:59you're going to be made to pay forever
44:01because she passed every single question.
44:03CHEERING
44:15Did you cheat? No.
44:21He was telling the truth!
44:23CHEERING
44:29APPLAUSE
44:35So we have two people who love each other,
44:37two completely telling-the-truth lie-detectors
44:39of one million per cent DNA.
44:41The baby's got his ears, he loves you,
44:43you love him. Can we not just...
44:45I mean, this sounds really wrong for you.
44:47Can you not just get it on again, please?
44:49No? Yes?
44:51I do love you, though.
44:53It's just, um,
44:55for the messages.
44:57You're going to make him pay, aren't you?
44:59Yeah. He's got some grafting to do.
45:03That's only right, though, isn't it?
45:05Listen, she says,
45:07why believe rumours over your own girlfriend?
45:09You were horrible to her. This will prove one thing to you
45:11next time when this lady says something,
45:13you should believe her because she was telling the truth.
45:15I think you get yourselves into a bit of a rut
45:17in these situations, and people get involved
45:19and people tend to listen. All I would say to you,
45:21and I'm not being soft, is you pay it and you love each other.
45:23Um, don't waste it.
45:25Marry her tomorrow, you put it that way.
45:27You want to marry her? I would marry her tomorrow.
45:29Do you want him to ask you? Not today.
45:31Do it! Do it!
45:33Do it! Do it!
45:35Do it! Do it!
45:37Do it!
45:39Do it!
45:41Do it!
45:43Do it!
45:45Do it!
45:47Do it!
45:49Do it!
45:51Do it!
45:53All right?
45:57Get out of it! They're going to get married!
45:59It's now or never!
46:03So, before we finish today, you'll remember
46:05earlier, we did the lie detector on
46:07Hayden, engaged on Christmas Day to
46:09Cherie, he failed. I said, look, take
46:11ten minutes, have a think about this
46:13because this is massively important because
46:15we stand by that lie detector, absolutely
46:17said he'd think about it, they're in the green room,
46:19just want to see what's happened, how she's reacted before
46:21we finish today, I'll come this way, you all right?
46:23Let's do that.
46:25Guys, how we doing? Aye,
46:27not bad. Help me out, what's happened?
46:29Well,
46:31that in question,
46:33with being in the X's
46:35but not doing nothing,
46:37there might have been a kiss.
46:39There might
46:41have been a kiss? See,
46:43now I think that sounds like an excuse.
46:45So basically, you got intimate with her on more than one
46:47occasion? Well, aye.
46:49Sorry? Aye. Which is what I said to you
46:51before we came here and before you made me look stupid.
46:57Right, well, I'm sorry, but
46:59that's what I have to say to that.
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47:09I was really soft on you because
47:11I wanted to give you a chance, she's taken the ring off,
47:13I'm not going to chase her, the team will deal with that,
47:15so you're saying that on more than one occasion
47:17something might have... No, but you told me it was
47:19totally wrong and could you come back?
47:21Tell me now, you're saying that apart from the night
47:23you kissed her, you had sex with her,
47:25something else might have happened? Well...
47:27Which is why you failed that? I don't think it's that,
47:29I'm just saying that, so...
47:31You must know if you kiss somebody.
47:33I never, but I'm just saying that,
47:35so everything's... So what are you going to do about that,
47:37she's gone? Well, I'm going to get
47:39another lie detector,
47:41to see if it's any different, if it's both
47:43matching then it's obviously...
47:45We will support the both of you
47:47and do what we can, but you must understand
47:49one thing as I said to you, you need to
47:51be honest with her, I don't know whether there's a chance
47:53she's thrown the ring back in your face.
47:55Listen, we'll support both of you, I promise you that,
47:57we'll leave that with Stephanie, we'll let you know.
47:59Give them a round of applause, ladies and gentlemen,
48:01thank you very much indeed.
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48:05Sad, I like them, but there you go,
48:07he says all something might have happened, which makes you
48:09think it does, they say they're going to get another one,
48:11I don't know what will happen, we'll keep you updated,
48:13that's all I am for this morning, out of time,
48:15if you want to be on my show, you need my help,
48:17visit my website, the details are on screen,
48:19to my guests, to this audience, and to you four
48:21watching at home, you know who you are,
48:23I'll see you very soon, take care, bye-bye for now.
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