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00:00You

00:30Oh

00:44Could I see him

01:00I

01:19Guess I really done it this time, huh?

01:21I

01:26Sorry, it's okay. It's okay. Okay. It's okay

01:33Take a seat

01:36Is we got I got a guy I got a

01:43We I

01:45I

01:50Don't know where to begin

02:00How's grandma no, she's good she sends her love

02:06I

02:12Sure you get around to fixing that AC I

02:19Don't know what to say

02:24Okay

02:29Either do I I didn't realize how sick you were

02:37You need help

02:40Okay, no, I mean

02:44You know like from professional

02:48Because I

02:50Still think you can be treated

02:54You know what because I you know, I have to hope you can get better

03:01I

03:12Just been trying to think how this all happened because I didn't raise you to be like this

03:20Yeah, so why do you think you

03:27Why'd you do it

03:32I don't know. Okay. Well see now that's not gonna cut it

03:40I'm sorry. Well, yeah, I

03:44Don't need you to say so I

03:50Need to know why

03:53Because there needs to be some responsibility here

03:56What you've done to the family to grandma

03:59To Sherry and me

04:02Hmm I mean, do you

04:08Do you have any idea how this all started

04:19Thinking about it a lot, you know

04:29As I used to

04:34Well

04:37Remember when you used to take me to go and find roadkill and I'd cut him up. Oh, no, no

04:46You're gonna lay this on me

04:51It's not my fault I didn't do this and I was a good dad to Hugh

04:57I

05:05Like what I was doing was I was showing concern for my son who finally showed an interest in okay dad

05:10You know, I mean what you did. I didn't teach you how to do that

05:14You hear me? Okay. I

05:20Didn't do this

05:26I

05:56I

06:13Said Richards. Yes

06:19I'm Joyce Flint. I

06:21I

06:25Have the results of your HIV test

06:36You're negative

06:51I

06:53I

07:18Are you crying

07:23I'm just so happy. You don't have to give your mother any bad news

07:42Sweetheart

07:45Lionel what are you doing? I'm just I'm up early. You never came to bed

07:53I'm sorry. What did you say?

07:56Honey

07:58You need to talk

08:04Honey you have to sleep. This isn't healthy. Well, my schedule is all messed up

08:10Well, you should be using this time just to rest

08:14I

08:16Can't rest. Sorry, then we need to see a doctor and get you some sleeping pills

08:20Because five nights in a row of not sleeping is not healthy. Yeah, that'll do it. Yeah. Yeah more pills

08:26That's just what this family needs. You know, you do know that pills are what started this whole thing

08:31You know that just calm how many pills do you think she was on when she was pregnant with him thousands?

08:36She was sleeping pills sedatives seizure medication. She didn't give him a fucking chance

08:41When you can't blame Joyce for this the fuck I can't

08:47Because it's her fault

08:51She wasn't a mother

08:54She never even held him stop she's scaring the shit out of him

09:00And then she just left

09:02She got in her car and she drove away and she left that kid in that house all summer

09:08Where were you that summer Lionel?

09:11Oh

09:12God, no, I'm sorry. I didn't mean that. Oh, hey, we are in this together

09:23But you didn't know

09:29He's got my genes Sherry half of that boy is me and I

09:34I've had thoughts like him. I think I used to I

09:44Used to

09:45try to make explosives and

09:49I would use fireworks and I would tie a little army guy to them and one day I brought a homemade bomb

09:56to school

09:59And I threw it out the goddamn window for Chrissy, oh, that's not the same thing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

10:08No, listen. I

10:14Had fantasies like him too, I think

10:18There was a neighborhood girl and she lived on our block and I tried to hypnotize her because I

10:27I don't know

10:31To get her to do whatever I wanted

10:38And I used to sit in church

10:46And think what it would be like to kill someone to murder them

10:51And I had nightmares about it for a while I did

10:56and

10:58But it wasn't about how I

11:01Kill someone because it was about how I'd already done it

11:08Knowing that I'd kill someone and not knowing what to do

11:13But you didn't

11:16There is nothing wrong with your genes honey, I mean just look at David

11:21He's got half your DNA and he's a nice normal kid wouldn't you say

11:28Yeah

11:34Yeah, yeah

11:51Oh

12:03Sir you're not allowed to be here. You can't go in there, sir

12:12He's probably asleep upstairs, it's so early leave her alone sir, you cannot be in here. She's my mother get him out of here

12:19You're scaring her. You have no right to business. It's a crime scene sir. Your son killed people in this house. Mr

12:24Dahmer you understand that you have no right to be he's cooperating with us. You know that right?

12:27She has dementia you come in here. You start going through her stuff. She's gonna have a nervous breakdown

12:33Please just let me put her in a room. We'll be out of your way, please please come on

12:43There's that Queen

12:45Oh

12:51Yeah, okay

13:05What's your move

13:10Today the city of Milwaukee is hurting

13:16Jeffrey Dahmer's heinous crimes have not only shocked the nation. They've inflicted a

13:24painful and devastating wound on this community

13:30Now some folks have asked me

13:33Reverend

13:34Why are you going out to Milwaukee?

13:38Dahmer's been caught. Aren't you just stirring up more division?

13:42Those folks I say I come here today not to sow division, but to call for accountability

13:53Dahmer's crimes were committed in a vacuum

13:56Many people including officers of the law

14:00Turned a blind eye which is why he was able to do what he did for so long

14:08But you're lucky

14:10But you're lucky you've got a strong leader in police chief areola

14:16The chief told me he's planning to launch a thorough investigation into what went wrong

14:22especially that

14:24incident involving that young boy

14:27Connerick sent us a phone

14:30But let me be clear

14:32We are not content

14:34to simply listen to words

14:38Comforting words

14:40words like healing

14:44Cooling down

14:47Coming together

14:49Those are all cold words that mean exactly the same thing

14:55Let's sweep this under the rug

15:00We will not be satisfied we will not rest

15:04until the conditions

15:07Exist that would allow someone like Jeffrey Dahmer to murder

15:1217 young men many of them black and brown we will not rest until justice prevails for all

15:19Citizens in this city. We will not rest until empty words a replacement decisive action. We will not rest

15:37This isn't fair chief you can't suspend us we did nothing wrong nothing wrong

15:42You returned an underage boy back to a serial killer that would eventually kill him

15:46He didn't check his identification or his age you ignored witnesses. You didn't do a background check on Dahmer

15:52We didn't see a need to do a background check

15:54Well, if you had you would have seen the Dahmer was still on probation for child molestation

15:58Look, the kid looked like an adult. All right, we thought it was a boyfriend-boyfriend thing

16:02So I guess that's why you had to get deloused after the incident

16:05That is what she told dispatch, isn't it we have it on tape that was a joke then there's Glenda Cleveland Dahmer's neighbor

16:11She claims that she called multiple times about him, but you ignored her request whose side are you on?

16:16She this isn't about sides your boy screwed up and I'm under a lot of pressure

16:20I have the mayor the community Jesse Jackson the whole damn country's breathing down my neck. I have to do something

16:26You're our police chief. You're supposed to have our backs

16:28You'll both be on paid leave until the panel finishes its investigation after which we'll make a final determination

16:39You know what our union reps are gonna fight this

16:44You can't fire us. Trust me

16:47We will be here long after you

16:50Did you think that Jeffrey Dahmer was going to eat you yeah, I did

17:01Seriously my heart

17:04Harrowing stuff

17:06His name is Tracy Edwards the man who was almost Jeffrey Dahmer's final victim

17:12Thank You Tracy for telling us all about it

17:14The man who was almost Jeffrey Dahmer's final victim

17:18Thank You Tracy for telling your story

17:20our next guest is a childhood friend of Jeffrey Dahmer's who agreed to come on the show on condition of anonymity and

17:27He's got a story. That's a Heraldo exclusive. We'll call him Nick

17:32Thank you for coming on the show

17:35Thank you for having me. I

17:37Understand you had a sexual relationship with Jeffrey Dahmer. How did you meet him?

17:44We were on the yearbook staff. Jeffrey was on the yearbook staff.

17:48Where did this sexual activity take place?

17:52at his house

17:54Did you meet his family? Oh, yeah

17:59Stepmother was like a stepmother from hell

18:02Screaming at him all the time

18:04It's just just all lies. Jeffrey Dahmer's second wife Sherry

18:10He said to me

18:12He told me that he was

18:16Sexually molested by his father

18:19I'm not watching this

18:23Jeffrey Dahmer

18:24Well, that's not true. No, it's not true. None of its true. Well, sweetheart. What can you do? I don't know. I

18:32Don't know. I gotta do something

18:38What

18:43You know, they cover a Newsweek and people magazine

18:53Wow

18:56Okay

18:59You think I could take these with me just to read no you can't

19:12What do they say well, what do they say it's not good Jeff

19:17They're saying you're the Milwaukee cannibal

19:20People want to kill you. They want you dead

19:24Well, fine, I want that too no, no, no, you know, Wisconsin doesn't have a death penalty

19:32Well, they're talking about bringing it back though because of me right no no Jeff just get that out of your head no

19:40Look

19:42It doesn't help anybody for you to spend the rest of your life in prison

19:46Okay, you need help and there's really only one way we can do that. That's right. Yeah

19:53For you to get the help you need so we can understand all this. We have to convince the judge that you're insane. Yeah

20:01I'm not insane. Well at the time of the killings then

20:05No, I wasn't any

20:09And he killed people you cut him up he had sex with him

20:14He had to stop dismembering so you could masturbate on it. It wasn't crazy. It was just like a

20:20Compulsion right? Okay. So you had a compulsion which means you couldn't stop. Yeah, Jeff. Come on

20:28Come on, you talked about demon

20:30You said that you were possessed

20:32That you'd wake up and you'd remember what you did cuz I was blackout drunk dad

20:37That's why I didn't remember some stuff

20:41But I knew what I was doing

20:44didn't want to but

20:47Couldn't help myself

20:51I'm not insane. No Jeff. No, no

20:56I'm not insane. No Jeff. No, no

21:02You're not gonna say that in court just you you're not because

21:08We got something now, okay, we got a legal precedent

21:13There's a previous case. That's

21:16He's very similar to yours and it wasn't too far from here

21:19What what this guy did? It's is very similar. It was a while ago

21:25Back when I was a kid, this was in Plainfield

21:28November 16th

21:311957

21:34The owner of a hardware store she disappears now, no one knows where she is

21:39Her son tells the police that a man by the name of Ed Gein had been there the evening before

21:49So they go to his house

21:51Nobody's there. So they walk around the back and find his shed

22:05Jesus Christ

22:08And there's the woman's body all cut up hanging from the rafters

22:13So they arrest him

22:15He doesn't say a thing

22:18He doesn't say a thing

22:2230 hours straight. He just sits there

22:27Finally he pipes up

22:30I'd like an apple pie

22:33And a slice of cheese

22:35Then he starts talking

22:37They search the house

22:40They find the woman's head in a burlap sack and there's just body parts

22:48Bowls made out of people's skulls

22:52He had skulls on his bedposts

22:55He upholstered his chairs with human skin and

23:01Just like you Jeff, you know you said you

23:05Tried to dig up a body once

23:08Yeah, just once. Yeah. Well, it turns out this guy

23:11He did it like 30 40 times digging up bodies

23:15Wow, they looked in the coffins they were empty and

23:19and and he went to a kind of a daze when he did these things and then he would kind of wake up and

23:25And he couldn't remember what happened

23:29Do you have sex with the bodies you dug up? Okay. Okay Jeff Jeff here Ed Gein

23:35the point is he killed a lot of people too, okay, and there's no denying that but

23:42He entered a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity and he didn't spend the rest of his life in prison

23:47He spent the rest of his life in a hospital getting the psychiatric help that he needed

23:53You see we can do the same thing for you Jeff

24:03What that does sound familiar

24:06What?

24:09I've read about him

24:14You know as a comic book I read about him I think

24:18Sorry, did you say a comic book?

24:22Yeah, I was one of those weird tales ones or something spooky stuff I

24:31Remember the cover I think a

24:34a

24:35Fucking comic book. I mean well now we know where the fault lies the whole culture

24:39Yeah, who writes a comic book like that? Yeah, I mean, that's mr. Dahmer

24:43You've got to understand the the weight of what it's like representing somebody like Jeff

24:49I've got to stay focused here and we hold fast and stick with the insanity plea

24:54So we do that. We still have to go through the whole trial

24:56Yeah, and I think we lean into it. We don't argue the murders aren't gruesome. They are

25:03I think that helps our case

25:05The jury has hereby determined that mr. Dahmer was of sound mind and not legally insane

25:13with respect

25:15To all of the 15 counts of first-degree murder

25:19He's confessed to which means his victims families can rest assured that he will be sent to prison

25:26Court shall recess till Monday at which time victims family members will be allowed to make impact statements to the court and

25:35The defendant will be allowed to make a statement of his own before sentencing court is adjourned till Monday at 9 a.m

25:56I

26:11So that's it, huh, you're leaving, huh

26:14What do you want me to say Lionel, well, I would like you to take some responsibility maybe Lionel

26:20Responsibility, what does that mean? It's just what it means. So you're saying this is my fault

26:25No, no, he's not. Yeah. Well as of now, I'm taking the blame for this. Have you read what they've said about me?

26:31I mean, I've not heard a word from you about the awful lies. They're spreading about me

26:35I don't know what the hell he's talking about. I don't know what he's talking about

26:38I don't know what he's talking about. I don't know what he's talking about

26:42They're spreading about me, I don't know what the hell you did with them when I wasn't there

26:46Oh, is that right? And you say I did this to him?

26:50It is not my fault. You son of a bitch. It's nobody's fault. You think it's not

27:00Yeah, yeah, just walk away Joyce just just like you walked away from your son Lionel you still on those pills, huh?

27:06How many you fucking take it?

27:08Lionel stop it

27:11Thanks. All right. Sorry. Sorry. I'm sorry

27:41May I help you? Miss Strutter? Yes. I'm Joyce Flint. I know who you are

27:48Is your daughter Dorothy here? Curtis's mother? She's not. What is it you want, Miss Flint?

27:52Well first, let me just say how deeply I feel for you

27:57I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do

28:00I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do

28:03I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do

28:06I don't know what to do

28:08How deeply deeply sorry I am for what happened

28:15For what my son

28:18Did to your grandson Curtis

28:22I realize there's nothing I can say

28:28It's unforgivable

28:30Why are you here, Miss Flint?

28:38I came here because I was hoping to speak to you or your daughter

28:47As a mother

28:50To ask if

28:54If either of you might be willing to say something in court tomorrow

29:01On behalf of Jeff

29:03On behalf of Jeff?

29:06That the judge might consider sending him to a mental facility and not to prison

29:14You want us to forgive your son?

29:18Ask the judge to forgive him?

29:20No

29:26I feel for you, ma'am

29:28Truly, I do

29:30You want your truth as a mother to be heard

29:33I understand that

29:35But maybe now is the time for you to listen to somebody else's truth

29:39You understand?

29:43Let's hear the first impact statement

29:54My family and I came to this country by boat

30:03We were poor, but we were hopeful

30:15We believed in the American Dream

30:26But now we're living in a nightmare

30:34And it's all because of Jeffrey Dahmer

30:44He robbed us of our son, Conrad

30:51He robbed us of our dream

30:55My name is Shirley Hughes, and I'm Tony Hughes's mother

31:01I would like to say to Jeffrey Dahmer that

31:05He don't know the pain, the hurt, the loss

31:10And the mental state he's put our family in

31:14But I'd just like to read a poem that

31:17A good friend of my son's wrote

31:21Why are you attacking me, Jeffrey?

31:24I thought you were my friend

31:26Why am I a victim in your cruel and evil world?

31:30Look at the tears roll down my face

31:33See that each one is a cry for help

31:35And realize that I want to live

31:38What have I done to you to make you such a maniac?

31:42To make you such a devil?

31:44Why did this happen to a person like me?

31:47Why did this happen to a person like Eddie?

31:52He gave so much and asked for so little

31:57All he wanted was a chance to be himself

32:01When you killed my brother, you killed

32:06My mother and father

32:10I beg you, your honor, don't let this man ever

32:14Walk the streets or see daylight again

32:19Good morning, honor. My name is Donald Bradoft

32:25I'm for the Bradoft family

32:31As much as love in our family closed

32:35My mother gave five beautiful kids

32:40We lost

32:43He destroyed the baby of the family

32:47And I hope you go to hell

32:51I love this world

32:54You guys did a wonderful job

32:57Bottom of my heart, thank to God

33:00I got a lot of strength

33:04Thank you all

33:07God bless America

33:10I'll never get a chance again

33:13To tell him that I loved him

33:16You took my mother's oldest grandchild from her

33:20And for that, I can never forgive you

33:24Mom, I'm gone

33:27I know there's a dragon piercing your heart

33:30Day and night because of this

33:33But yet I'm not far away

33:36Two fingers and one thumb

33:39Means I love you in sign language

33:43When you cry, mom

33:46Place one teardrop outside your window ledge

33:49And when I pass by, I'll exchange it for one of mine

33:53And then I'll always be with you

33:56Two fingers and one thumb

33:59Two fingers and one thumb

34:02Your son, Tony

34:19My name is Rita Isabel

34:22And I'm the oldest sister of Errol Lindsay

34:25Jer... whatever your name is, Satan

34:28Dad, this is how you act when you are out of control

34:32Now, I don't want to ever have to see my mother go through this again

34:36Never, Jeffrey

34:38Jeffrey, I hate you, motherfucker

34:41I hate you

34:43This is out of control

34:45Don't fuck with me, Jeffrey, I'll kill you, goddammit

34:48Look at me, look at me, motherfucker

34:51Mr. Dahmer, before I impose sentence

34:55I understand you have a statement you'd like to read

34:58Yes, your honor

35:26Your honor, it is over now

35:30This has never been a case of trying to get free

35:34I didn't ever want freedom

35:37Frankly, I wanted death for myself

35:40This was a case to tell the world

35:43That I did what I did not for reasons of hate

35:47I hated no one

35:49I knew I was sick or evil or both

35:53Now I believe I was sick

35:56The doctors have told me about my sickness

35:59And now I have some peace

36:01I know how much harm I have caused

36:04And I tried to do the best I could after the arrest to make amends

36:09But no matter what I did

36:11I could not undo the terrible harm I have caused

36:14My attempt to help identify the remains

36:17Was the best that I could do

36:20And that was hardly anything

36:22I feel so bad for what I did to those poor families

36:26And I understand their rightful hate

36:29I know I will be in prison forever

36:42We're here outside Milwaukee County Courthouse

36:45Where just moments ago, Judge Lawrence Graham

36:48Sentenced serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer

36:50To 15 consecutive life terms in prison

36:53One life term for each person he's accused of killing

36:56You all right, Mama?

37:00Yeah, I'm good

37:03We got that bastard

37:05We got him

37:07And he ain't never getting out

37:21Guess I'm getting less coming to me, huh?

37:31It's okay, Dad

37:33We tried our best

37:35Listen, um, I think we only have a few minutes

37:38So there's something that I gotta tell you

37:41Um, now, I've been looking everywhere

37:45To find out who's responsible for all this

37:48Blaming everybody

37:50Except myself

37:52And it's me

37:54I'm the one to blame

37:56Honey, you don't have to say that

37:58Okay, shut up, Jeff

37:59Please, just listen to me

38:00Listen to me

38:01It's me

38:02I did this to you

38:03All that stuff with the dead animals

38:05I shouldn't have done that

38:06I shouldn't have showed you how to do that

38:08And your, uh, your fantasies

38:11About killing people and stuff

38:13I should have made you feel like you could

38:16I should have made you feel like you could

38:19Tell me about that stuff

38:21You know?

38:25Because I had those same feelings

38:31And I gave you that book of me

38:40And, uh, I never really

38:44Gave you enough when you needed it

38:46When you went to prison, I wrote a letter to the judge

38:48I said, my son needs help

38:50Because I knew you did

38:51But I just left it at that

38:52And that wasn't enough

38:54And, uh

38:57I wasn't a good father

39:01I wasn't because I wasn't a good husband

39:04And you didn't feel safe

39:09I left you alone

39:11I can't believe that I left you alone

39:14I'm so sorry, I left you alone

39:17Time to go

39:18I'll never forgive myself

39:22Okay, but I won't leave you again

39:26I promise, son

39:27I'll make it up to you

39:30I'll visit you every week and I'll call

39:34I've known this was coming for a long time now

39:38There's so much I need to say

39:42But I find it impossible to put into words

39:46Because it's all so horrible

39:50Words can't express what I'm feeling

39:54And I don't know what to say

39:58Because it's all so horrible

40:02Words can't express the scale of my grief

40:09When I try to take responsibility

40:11For the part I played in all of this

40:14It is simply too painful to do so

40:19But denying I had any part in it

40:23Is a comfort I can't allow myself

40:27Because I know it isn't true

40:31I failed you, Jeff

40:34And I'm sorry I wasn't the mother you needed

40:39And I am no longer willing to live with the guilt of that fact

40:44To all of Jeff's victims

40:47I cannot express to you the magnitude of my regret

40:52So it's pointless to even try

40:56To my son David, please forgive me

41:00You've been able to rise above all of this

41:04And I'm sorry that I'm not able to

41:08I love you and your brother

41:12I tried my best

41:17Sweetheart

41:19Hold on, hold on

41:20I'm in the middle of a chapter

41:22When, uh, Jeff was

41:24Do you remember that Christmas before Jeff went in the army?

41:27Okay, but I

41:28Just, uh, one second

41:33Oh, you know, how did I not know that writing a book

41:36Is what I should have been doing the whole time?

41:40I don't know

41:42Is what I should have been doing the whole time

41:46I think I have a knack for it

41:48Lionel, I just got off the phone with David

41:51She's okay

41:53But he said that Joyce tried to kill herself

41:57Oh, Jesus

42:00Oh, Jesus

42:06She's okay, though?

42:08Yeah

42:10Okay

42:13I'll call him

42:30Thank you, guys

42:33We're glad to be back on the force

42:36Thank you for all your support

42:39It's meant a lot

42:41And, uh, it was nice to know that somebody has your back

42:53I appreciate the call, man

42:57Yeah, so do I

43:03What happened?

43:05Those two cops who

43:08Let that Connerick boy go back to Jeffrey Domo

43:12They've just been reinstated

43:14What?

43:16A slap on the wrist and that's it?

43:18Mayor said they're gonna appeal the decision

43:20And if that fails?

43:23Then we

43:26Fight the next fight

43:29And the next fight

43:32And the next

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44:32And the next fight

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Dahmer - S01e08 - Lionel

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