The Jeremy Kyle Show (16 April 2018)
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00:10On today's show...
00:12Why are you here today?
00:13To expose her, to be a liar that she is.
00:15That girl told me she had cervical cancer only last year.
00:19She put me to the floor when she told me that.
00:21She made a disgusting, serious allegation against my brother,
00:25to say that her uncle had molested her, when he hasn't done anything of the sort.
00:38When I was 11 years old, I told her what he did.
00:41Why does she not believe your 11-year-old daughter?
00:43Because she's sick and twisted.
00:44You absolute...
00:51I ain't 11 anymore. You don't scare me.
00:53You don't scare me. You don't scare me.
00:55You're a liar. She's a liar.
00:57CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:21Hello, thanks, good morning, and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:23All right, my first guest this morning, Faye,
01:25was sat at home watching this show just a few weeks back
01:27and decided she needed to be here to confront her daughter, Lisa.
01:31The reason was she saw Lisa on a previous show.
01:34Take a look at this.
01:37He's basically accusing you of being a cheat, isn't he?
01:40Yeah, with every Tom, Dick and I, basically.
01:42For past six months, your own family member's telling me that my daughter is not mine.
01:46Your own mother says,
01:47My daughter is a compulsive liar.
01:49She is an attention seeker and all she cares about is herself
01:52and it doesn't matter who she hurts along the way.
01:54Craig is not Ruby Grace's father.
01:57My daughter told me that herself.
01:59That's your own mother!
02:01That's coming from someone, yeah,
02:02that couldn't even back it up by being here today.
02:04She's got a sick child to look after.
02:06That's not right.
02:08You are the child's biological father.
02:15It is absolutely wrong.
02:17And her mother's an absolute liar.
02:19She's a disgrace and I want her on this show.
02:23So as you can see from the clip,
02:25Lisa called Adam and Fay on national TV to come to the show
02:27and face up to her about the allegations she has made.
02:29So today, Fay says,
02:31You got it, one massive showdown with her daughter Lisa,
02:34she says, is a disgrace.
02:36Fay says,
02:37No, you know what?
02:38The girl pulled the wool over your eyes, Jess.
02:40She's a liar. Let's get her out here.
02:42This is Fay on the Jeremy Carr Show.
02:44That way!
02:45CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:51So on many occasions on the show,
02:53we'll get somebody here and there'll be a statement
02:55and this particular statement from you said,
02:57My daughter's nothing. My daughter's a liar.
02:59Oh, she is.
03:00She was here doing a DNA test.
03:01She said in your statement, let's start with this,
03:03He's not the father, Craig, and he was,
03:05which makes you a liar.
03:06No, I'm not a liar. She's a liar.
03:08Why?
03:09She told me that my granddaughter was not Craig's.
03:11On my mum's 60th birthday, she told me that.
03:14Why?
03:15You say that she'd lie about anything.
03:17Oh, aye.
03:18Last time, the big thing was with the DNA.
03:20You know, you've walked out, Craig.
03:21You've left me with our sick child.
03:23You say she's exaggerated that illness.
03:25Oh, yes, she has, yeah.
03:26So your granddaughter's not ill?
03:27Not as ill as she's making out now.
03:28What do you mean, not as ill?
03:29If the baby was that ill,
03:31then why is she, like, going out drinking all the time?
03:33Why is she leaving the baby with Craig?
03:35Do you know what I mean?
03:36She's making out herself to be the perfect mother when she's not.
03:38You say that I was fooled by her lies
03:40and you're disgusted by it.
03:41Has your relationship with her always been bad?
03:43No, I had a good relationship with Lisa.
03:45Of course I did.
03:46When did it start to go wrong?
03:48When I found out, basically, that she'd cheated on Craig.
03:50I basically told her she should tell Craig the truth,
03:53that he is not Ruby's dad,
03:55that she shouldn't be sleeping about with a gentleman
03:57that she's been sleeping about with recently,
03:59that she got pregnant to.
04:03Whatever, Lisa, you know it's true.
04:05You know it.
04:07You know it.
04:08You talk it, run your mouth.
04:10Alky, little druggy.
04:14Can I just say something, darling?
04:20I gave you the benefit.
04:21Lisa, let her speak.
04:23You will get your chance.
04:24Do me one favour.
04:26Don't be disrespectful with that language.
04:28Sit down and be quiet.
04:29Lose the picture.
04:31So, in your mind, she's cheated on Craig.
04:35She has.
04:36She's exaggerated about the illness that her daughter suffered from.
04:38She's even gone lower than that.
04:40She told me she had cervical cancer only last year.
04:43Yeah, she put me to the floor when she told me that.
04:45As a mother, to hear your daughter tell you that is disgusting.
04:49Do you know what I mean?
04:50Not just as she told me that.
04:52She's made a disgusting, serious allegation against my brother.
04:56This is Stephen.
04:57Oh, that's Stephen.
04:58Who is on this show.
04:59This was an accusation about Stephen.
05:01Oh, yeah.
05:02Let's just have the facts from you.
05:04This is a difficult one for this show. Go on.
05:06Basically, that girl has used my past
05:09to say that her uncle has molested her
05:13when he hasn't done anything of the sort.
05:15If he's done that, why would she leave her children with him?
05:17So, she's left her children with him and yet has accused him...
05:20And she's a liar, Lisa! You dirty girl!
05:22I want you to talk to me. I want to lose those pictures.
05:25This guy is here.
05:26He's been accused by his own niece of being a paedophile.
05:29Oh, yeah.
05:30But, yeah, I'm supposed to have known about that.
05:32I'm supposed to have known about this.
05:34So, you've got a boyfriend who you say is a mug
05:36because she's cheated on him.
05:37She's got pregnant and had an abortion with another man.
05:40Oh, yeah.
05:41A child who has been sick but not to any extent that she's made out,
05:44so she's used that.
05:45Yeah.
05:46You say she's said that she's had cervical cancer.
05:48Yeah.
05:49And lower than that, she's accused her uncle,
05:52who she lets look after her kids, of being a paedophile.
05:55Yeah.
05:56So, you were sat at home thinking, this girl's full of it.
05:58She's full of it.
05:59Why? What is a mother?
06:00Why would you believe that she's like that?
06:02I really don't know.
06:04She's taken a lie detector today. She says you're full of it.
06:06She hasn't cheated on Craig. She hasn't done any of this.
06:08She says that you're on drugs.
06:09Yeah, cos I am. Yeah, whatever.
06:10She is on drugs. She takes cocaine.
06:12AUDIENCE GASPS
06:14Who is it who were like last year, Lisa, when you live with me, yeah?
06:17You live with me, and yet you could not get up off that couch
06:21to see to your own daughter, who was laid next to you.
06:24What's up?
06:25I'm not either on...
06:26Do you take drugs?
06:27No, I don't take drugs.
06:28Have you done drugs tests?
06:29Yes, I have.
06:30So, why are you here today?
06:31To expose her, to be a liar that she is.
06:32With what end?
06:33What's the reason? In the end, what happens?
06:35Well, I had a lot to do with her once, this is...
06:37How long has that been going on for?
06:38What?
06:39That you don't want anything to do with her?
06:40Since she said that about my brother.
06:42So you don't see your sick grandchild?
06:43No, I don't see him.
06:44She stops me from seeing him. I can't see him.
06:46Smacking like you've seen a shitload of...
06:48Let's get her out. Lisa's on the Jeremy Carr Show.
06:50That was...
06:55I told you, I told you at 11 years old, you little...
06:59Yeah, whatever, shut up.
07:00Now, sit down.
07:01Sit down. My daughter's not ill, is she?
07:03You absolute...
07:06Come on.
07:09Come on.
07:19Sit down.
07:22Sit down.
07:23My daughter's not sick.
07:24Sit down.
07:25Oh, please.
07:26I'm just going to make threats, darling,
07:28then it's not going to work, is it?
07:30Stop shouting and wait.
07:32Fool.
07:33Who are you swearing at?
07:34You.
07:35You disrespectful.
07:36You're an alcoholic.
07:37If you are going to...
07:38Hello, if you're going to do it, stop swearing or I won't do it.
07:40She's had her say. Look at me.
07:42I'm an alcoholic.
07:43Shut up.
07:44That I was fooled.
07:45They say that you pulled the wool over my eyes.
07:47Let's put to you exactly what your mother just said, Lisa.
07:50She said, and I quote, that you cheated on your boyfriend, Craig...
07:54Yeah.
07:55..despite the fact that DNA last time proved he was your brother.
07:57I haven't finished.
07:58And that you had an abortion because you had sex with somebody else.
08:01No, I didn't.
08:02I lost twins only five weeks ago in hospital.
08:04Oh, my God.
08:05So you're lying, little...
08:06Yes, you are.
08:07I'm telling you, you have cervical cancer.
08:09No, I didn't. No, why would I say that?
08:11Why would I say that?
08:12And then from that pod comes a very angry lady, Kirsty, because...
08:15Oh, you black-teethed...
08:19How are you expecting to get any...
08:21She's married to a little paedophile and she expects me to sit here.
08:24If he is, why would you let him be with your kids, is what she said.
08:27When do you look after my kids? When? When? Never.
08:31No, she did. She did.
08:33What are you doing? What are you doing?
08:35You're declaring yourself to be something different with the language you're using.
08:38Nila, Nila, because I'm defending myself.
08:40This guy that you've made this accusation, tell me the story then, go on.
08:43When I was 11 years old, I told her what he did.
08:45What did he do? What did he do?
08:47He raped me.
08:48Why didn't you go to the police?
08:50Because I was 11 years old, she shit me off to my...
08:52Why don't you go now?
08:53I am doing, I am doing, don't worry about that.
08:55But why would you come on national television and talk about it?
08:57She dragged me on here.
08:58Why wouldn't you go to the police before?
09:00She dragged me on here.
09:01I called you out, though, to say about the accusation,
09:03about you calling my daughter a...
09:05That's why I called you out.
09:07Why did you not believe your daughter?
09:09Pardon?
09:10Why did you not believe your 11-year-old daughter?
09:12She's never told me...
09:14Really?
09:15Oh, my God.
09:17Whatever, Lisa.
09:18I'm asking you the question again because you're just going to shout all day
09:20and I'm not going to.
09:21Why did she not believe your 11-year-old daughter
09:23when she told you she'd been attacked?
09:24Because she hasn't ever, never, ever told me that.
09:26I would believe her.
09:27How old was she when you kicked her out?
09:28I didn't kick her out, she left.
09:30At what age?
09:3111.
09:32Why would she, excuse me, why would an 11-year-old choose to leave?
09:36Because she's sick and twisted.
09:37But 11?
09:38Yes.
09:3911?
09:40Lies.
09:41Maybe you are the mother you're pretending to be.
09:42I ain't pretending to be anything.
09:43Come on, love, at 11 a child goes,
09:45I don't want to live here anymore.
09:47She's attention seeking.
09:4811-year-olds got taken into care, they don't go to their parents and go,
09:50I'd rather be somewhere else.
09:52She was just jealous of my relationship with her older sister.
09:54Were you a good mother?
09:55Oh, yeah, I've been the best mother I can be.
09:57Do you think a good mother's 11-year-old would say,
09:59I don't want to be with you anymore?
10:00Just without shouting, answer that question.
10:02Obviously not, no, but I have done everything I possibly can
10:05for both my girls.
10:06Are you going to cry now?
10:07No, I'm not going to cry, no, I'm not.
10:08Look at you.
10:09I'm not looking at you.
10:10Why are you looking at me?
10:11I'm a good mum to my kids at least.
10:12Because she went there 24-7 for my daughter.
10:13Did the guy abuse you?
10:14Yes, he did, yes.
10:15Did she get cervical cancer?
10:16No.
10:17She lies.
10:18No.
10:19So you...
10:20She didn't tell you she had cervical cancer?
10:21No.
10:22She said she had cervical cancer last year.
10:23How do you get to this as a mother and daughter?
10:25It's because I told her to tell Craig the truth on New Year's Day.
10:28Wow.
10:29Go tell Craig the truth.
10:30So if you've known over a year, why didn't you say something before?
10:32It weren't my fault.
10:33I told you to tell him.
10:34She's seen the child.
10:35But Craig is the father of a child.
10:37We proved that on the last show.
10:38But she told me he wasn't.
10:39She said I switched DNA.
10:40She said on the show that, oh, you came and you must have switched DNA.
10:43What did I do?
10:44Turned into a flying fly.
10:45I've told lots of people, not just me, Lisa, lots of people.
10:48You're a fool, mate.
10:49You're a fool.
10:50Lots of people are fools.
10:51Let me ask something to you as well, if I'm balancing this out.
10:53I take it that at 11, if you tell your mother that you're being abused,
10:55you would put your trust in that person.
10:57And I wasn't there, so I have to be very careful.
10:59But when you got to 16 or 18 of adult age, and you are today 20,
11:02why haven't you already gone to the police?
11:04Because I had a child at 16.
11:06I wanted to move on with my life.
11:08All I wanted...
11:09And those pictures were taken in 2017.
11:11That was a year ago.
11:12Hold on a second.
11:13That's a picture, you smiling and cuddling and kissing a bloke
11:17you say sexually abused you, so why would that be?
11:20Can I just say that, then? Can I just say that, then?
11:22She always said to me, yeah, the only way...
11:24She won't force me to go into care or get rid of me back to my dad's
11:27if I pretended, yeah?
11:28Because that's what uncles do, apparently.
11:30You never told me, Lisa.
11:31Are you joking?
11:32I only found out the other night of this allegation.
11:34So why did you kick me out when I was 11 years old?
11:36Why did I go to my dad's?
11:37You make it a let-up and you went to live with your dad.
11:39But why does an 11-year-old make such an awful lie?
11:41And I'm alive!
11:42And I'm 11 years old. Come on, tell me that.
11:44I don't know why she did that that night.
11:46Come on, all right, were you kicked?
11:47Yeah, of course I did.
11:48And then suddenly at 11, she said,
11:50my uncle abused me.
11:51I had to go to court to find out that.
11:52You're not listening.
11:53Suddenly at 11, from being a perfectly good child,
11:55she went, oh, by the way, my uncle's a paedophile
11:57and I want to live with my dad.
11:58My dad's got parental responsibility.
12:00My dad always had parental responsibility,
12:02because she was in class as an unfit mother in the court of law.
12:04Yeah.
12:05An unfit mother.
12:06Is that true?
12:07No.
12:08You was an alcoholic the entire night.
12:09You were drinking a bottle of vodka.
12:10Are you an alcoholic?
12:11No, I'm not an alcoholic.
12:12Are you on drugs?
12:13No, I'm not, love, no.
12:14I'm not pleased to come to the hospital
12:15to search me on the week off.
12:16So you've done a drugs test.
12:17Why haven't you done a lie detector today?
12:19Because she's saying that I'm cheating on Craig.
12:21Because she has.
12:22She's only just got back in with them people now,
12:24and then all of a sudden she's switched.
12:25She's coming very quickly.
12:26Be quiet.
12:27How many people, just a vibe, just a flavour,
12:29how many people buy Faye?
12:31Hand in the air.
12:32How many people buy the daughter?
12:34It's interesting, isn't it?
12:35Because you said the wall was put up.
12:36It could be long.
12:37She could be, but there's a couple of things
12:39that aren't stuck up.
12:40Loads more people involved and more after the break.
12:42We're right back on the J.K. show.
12:43Don't go anywhere.
12:44She told my team that you allowed Stephen
12:48to trim his sister out when her...
12:51Are you real or are you real?
12:52Disgusting!
12:53Are you real or are you real?
12:54Are you real?
12:55Disgusting!
12:56You can't be real!
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14:22Welcome back for the Great Mother and Daughter Award finally.
14:24One of the big accusations,
14:25and you two have got to let this happen
14:27because you're just shouting too much over each other,
14:29you say that when you were 11 years of age
14:31you were sexually abused by your uncle Stephen.
14:34Stephen is here, he's backstage.
14:36We'll try and get him involved later on.
14:39She said she told her mother, you at 11,
14:41you didn't believe her, you packed her off to the father.
14:43You said she was a normal kid and then one day at 11
14:45she woke up and said,
14:46my uncle's a paedophile, I don't want to live with my dad.
14:48His wife is absolutely seething and says,
14:53like your mother, and this is interesting,
14:55you are an attention-seeking liar who does all of this
14:58because of your own inadequacies.
15:00Curses on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
15:02CHEERING
15:05You're a liar! You're a liar!
15:07You're a dirty liar!
15:08You were leaving my house at 7 o'clock at night.
15:10Shut up.
15:11You were leaving my house at 7...
15:12Brush your teeth.
15:13Brush your teeth, you little...
15:15What are you going to do?
15:17You're a bully.
15:18She left my house at 7.
15:21I'm telling you, who's a bully?
15:23Shut him up!
15:24Who's a bully?
15:25Come into my house at half one in the morning.
15:27If you swear you'll have to go, I'll park your backside.
15:31If you swear you'll have to leave,
15:34then shut up a minute and let her speak.
15:36You're a liar, Lisa.
15:37I want her to speak. Be quiet.
15:39Don't laugh at me.
15:41She used to come to my house and tell Craig, right,
15:43she was sitting in my house from 7 o'clock to 1 o'clock in the morning.
15:46Yes, she did.
15:47You left your kids with Craig.
15:49You left your kids with Craig, Lisa.
15:51Can I ask you a question?
15:52Yes, you did.
15:53Someone told me something that I find quite astonishing.
15:56Just stop swearing and listen.
15:58You can't answer a question if you're talking over it.
16:00How long have you been married to Stephen?
16:01Five years.
16:02So you weren't married to him when she made the accusation?
16:04No.
16:05Were you aware? I would like to ask the question.
16:07No, I wasn't aware of it.
16:08So when did you become aware of this accusation
16:10that at 11 years of age,
16:12your husband had been accused by his 11-year-old niece of sexual abuse?
16:15Only when she found out we were taking him on the show.
16:17He wanted to do a lie detector test to prove his...
16:19So did I, love, so did I.
16:20I'm going to pay for one privately.
16:22It's a very difficult one,
16:23because we can't do a lie detector on something so difficult.
16:26The other accusation is that this girl is so full of it
16:29and such a fantasist that she has lied about the extent
16:32of how ill her daughter is.
16:33Why would you believe that this girl,
16:35apparently and allegedly, and it's difficult for me,
16:38would make up such horrible...
16:40Because she likes to hide it.
16:41You don't even wait till the end of a sentence, do you?
16:43I do, Lisa.
16:44I've got 50 pieces of paperwork that I've given all the team
16:46of every single diagnosis my daughter's got.
16:48You absolute idiot.
16:49Two weeks ago, you said they were searching for a diagnosis.
16:52They're still doing 13 more tests.
16:5413 more tests when my daughter's PCD and APS5.
16:57You don't even know what that is, do you?
16:59Oi, oi, oi, oi, you're doing all right.
17:01Can I ask you another question?
17:02Why are you doing a lie detector?
17:04Why am I doing one?
17:05Because apparently she doesn't have cheating on Steve.
17:07So, Craig was here last time.
17:09Now, you said on the statement, you're cheating on Craig,
17:12you told me you cheated on Craig, you told me the kid isn't Craig.
17:15So out came Craig, there to Barney...
17:17Shut up!
17:19DA proves that the baby was Craig's.
17:22Craig's here to defend her and say you lot are full of whatever.
17:25Craig's back on the Jeremy Cole show, that way.
17:34I'm telling everybody.
17:36I've even got it on a recording.
17:38She's got it on a recording.
17:40He's heard it.
17:42Craig, did you not hear it?
17:44He's heard it.
17:46We set you up, you little fool.
17:49He's heard it, he's heard it.
17:51It's just like with all your mates.
17:53I can't mention his name.
17:57I'm going to lose my voice and then I can't do the show.
18:00I saw you Friday, Craig, you know I did.
18:02I saw you Friday, we had a good conversation.
18:04You told me that you wanted Faith to bring Lisa on, did you not?
18:08Yes, she did.
18:10Well, could I talk to her then, Gobby?
18:12Shut up!
18:14APPLAUSE
18:16I promise you, we can't do this if you carry on like this.
18:20You were here last time. Yeah.
18:22There were accusations about the fact that Lisa had cheated,
18:25that the kid wasn't yours, the DNA proved the kid was yours.
18:28I want to talk to you without being interrupted.
18:30They say, and I quote,
18:32she's made up how ill your daughter is.
18:34My daughter's very ill. I've been there.
18:37They say that she made up that she had cervical cancer.
18:40I never knew about cervical cancer.
18:42She told you, Craig.
18:44I'm sorry, did you all fall when I rang the door?
18:47She told me.
18:49She told you that. I've got the messages.
18:51She told you and you said, I'm sorry, babe.
18:53You asked me.
18:55I can't talk.
18:57I've got the messages.
18:59When did you find out about the allegation that Lisa was sexually abused
19:03at the age of 11, nine years ago, by Uncle Stephen?
19:06When did you find out about that?
19:08She told me...
19:10..a year ago. Why wouldn't you tell him when you first met him?
19:13Because it would embarrass him.
19:15I see myself as damaged goods.
19:17You slept with anything walking?
19:19You slept with anything walking?
19:21When you first get with someone, yeah,
19:23and if you've been raped or abused,
19:25why would you first do it?
19:27I'm in a new relationship. I'm going to tell you I've been abused.
19:30I've looked it all up on Google.
19:32I haven't understood a damn word,
19:34because all you lot do is shout over each other.
19:37Listen to her.
19:39Go on, listen.
19:41Here we have it as a potted version.
19:44The next person who interrupts me in the next minute is off this stage.
19:47I don't care what anybody on the side says.
19:49You come out here last time.
19:51He apparently believes that you're cheating
19:53because of things that have been said.
19:55The kid isn't his. We nailed that.
19:57You watching this programme, you're absolutely beside yourself.
20:00This is a manipulative lie. She's lied about cervical cancer.
20:03She's lied about the extent of her daughter's illness.
20:05Worst of all, she's made up that my brother,
20:07your husband, don't say a word, sexually abused her when she was 11.
20:10You're at it, you're at it, you're at it.
20:12Today we get definitive, because if you two are right,
20:14she will fail the lie detector.
20:16You make a counterclaim that she's cheated
20:18on the man that you say abused you.
20:20But we've got the next generation.
20:22Your mother thinks you're a manipulative liar.
20:24Your auntie thinks you're a manipulative liar.
20:27And here's the best bit.
20:29Your grandmother thinks you're worse than both of them put together.
20:32Margaret's on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
20:34CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
20:38You're lying!
20:40I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it.
20:43I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it.
20:45I'm not going to do it. I'm listening to you.
20:47When you've gotten about my mum...
20:49You think I'm going to attack her? You're stupid.
20:51You've gotten about the blinking, the one what died,
20:53that I took his money.
20:55Yes, you did!
20:57You've got dementia!
20:59I haven't got dementia!
21:01I haven't!
21:03Why say it then? Why say it then, grandma?
21:06When she said that you were trying to burn her house down,
21:08you were put in prison when that happened.
21:10Kirsty, I have no option but I'm going to have you taken out.
21:12That's fine.
21:13Can you just please let somebody else talk?
21:15Welcome to the show. Hello.
21:17Now, her mother and her have obviously got a nightmare relationship.
21:20The auntie, obviously, because she's accused, you know,
21:23the husband, the uncle of whatever.
21:25I want to hear from you. What's your side of this argument, Margaret?
21:28It's not true. How do you know that?
21:30Because I've been there as well.
21:34Can I tell you something else as well that this girl says?
21:37Who brought your kids up? You panned your kids up to your mum.
21:40You didn't even bring Stephen and Kirsty up.
21:42How dare you? How dare you?
21:44You didn't know!
21:46I'll go further. She told my team that you...
21:49Go on. ..you allowed Stephen to pimp his sister out when...
21:55Are you really? Are you really?
21:57Disgusting!
21:59You're disgusting!
22:02Go on, let's hear it.
22:05What are you going to do?
22:08You're a liar! She's a liar!
22:10You're a liar!
22:12She's got you up line and sinker.
22:14Ask them.
22:16Let Stephen do a lie detector test.
22:19Let him do it. Please.
22:21Let him do it, because I'm telling you, please.
22:23Yes, he can do it.
22:25Please let him do it.
22:27You don't know how I run this show.
22:29Lie detector about sexual abuse.
22:31But why not? They could clear his name.
22:33You've got to understand, right,
22:35unless you just all let everybody speak, it doesn't work.
22:38After this break, your husband, your son and your brother,
22:43a man you say sexually abused you and lie detector, there he is.
22:47We're right back. Don't go anywhere.
22:49Did you abuse her? No, I didn't.
22:51Why would she say that? If I did abuse her,
22:53why is she going to the police? That would have been a paedophile.
22:56All I ask from you ever is that you leave me alone.
22:58Let me go! Leave me alone!
23:00You're a gory sort of...
23:02Three lie detectors.
23:04Anything to admit? No.
23:06It's interesting, isn't it?
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23:44Welcome back. Let's bring it down one minute.
23:46You all shout and you all scream.
23:48Just the accusation that you've made,
23:50your absolute right to want to defend your husband,
23:53a lie detector ain't going to do that.
23:55Now, we can only, in certain instances, do that, right?
23:58Theft, infidelity, we can't do that.
24:01But there's a lot to be said when you listen to what people have to say.
24:05People will make an opinion.
24:07I want to go and talk... Can you just seriously not argue?
24:10Where is he? He's backstage, is he? Is he?
24:14To be accused of being a paedophile by your niece on national television...
24:19Yeah. It's awful, Jimmy. It really is.
24:22A lot of people would have run away from doing this.
24:25Exactly. Why did you come here?
24:27To clear my name, but I am nothing like that.
24:29Nothing at all, Jimmy.
24:31You understand my problem. I can only go with what people say.
24:34I'm just telling the truth.
24:36Especially when you say I picked my sister out.
24:38You picked your sister out? Disgusting.
24:40So you reckon that Lisa would make all this up?
24:42Of course, yes. Why? Because she's sick in head.
24:45There are people who tell lies to say that I had cervical cancer.
24:49It's not about attention. It's all about fame.
24:53You don't want to go on the stage? I'll go on stage, yeah.
24:56I want you to be comfortable, but I want everybody to listen
24:59to what everybody's trying to say.
25:01And you, to be sat here with five people shouting out,
25:04two of whom are saying that you do the most hideous things...
25:07I'll come on stage, yes. Come on stage, yeah.
25:10Excuse me, sorry.
25:14Stephen's on the show, ladies and gentlemen. Put a chair there, please.
25:20Come on, come on.
25:22Why are you two pulling? Why are you two pulling?
25:25I ain't 11 anymore. You don't scare me now.
25:28I'm not 11 anymore. I ain't 11 anymore.
25:31You don't scare me. I've got a clean record.
25:33You don't scare me. I'm not going to stand up to you.
25:36I'm not a little kid. I'm not a little kid anymore.
25:39I'm not a little kid. Idiot.
25:41She's a liar, though, Jamie. Idiot.
25:43Can we let your husband speak? Can you tell your wife to be quiet?
25:47Did you abuse her? No, I didn't. No, I didn't do that.
25:49Why don't you say that? If I did abuse her,
25:51why isn't she going to the police?
25:53I'm not going to be the paedophile.
25:55What do you think I am? I'm going to be doing...
25:57You could do it ages ago.
25:59All I ask from you ever is that you leave me alone.
26:02Leave you alone. Leave you alone.
26:05One of the things that's happened this morning
26:07is that everybody makes claim and counterclaim.
26:09We start with Faye saying that she'd made up about the cervical cancer,
26:12she's made up about this, she's a cheat,
26:14she's doing a lie detector to prove to Craig she hasn't cheated.
26:17That's the first thing.
26:18But she's also made this counterclaim about you and Lisa, right?
26:21Now, you naturally defend Steve, and I get that.
26:24You say, I've never cheated and I'll pass that lie detector.
26:27You've also done one as well. I've done a lie detector, yes.
26:29Why would you allow a woman who comes on television
26:32and says you're the worst of the worst to even force you?
26:35Why would you justify your relationship, in your mind,
26:38to a woman who's spread the worst lie about you?
26:42I'm evil. I'm evil.
26:44I'm evil. I'm evil. I don't want to touch you.
26:46She's getting the fame.
26:48You're calling him a woman?
26:50You did. You said that.
26:52It's just claim and counterclaim.
26:54You know she did, Craig.
26:56Don't laugh cos you know she did, Craig.
26:58I swear down.
26:59Yeah, you did.
27:00Apparently went to prison for two weeks.
27:02She told us that.
27:04Can I ask you a question?
27:05Do you believe that your husband's cheated on you?
27:07No, not in a million years.
27:08Do you believe that your wife has cheated on you?
27:11No.
27:12Do you believe that Lisa's cheated on you?
27:14Do you believe that he's cheated on you?
27:16No.
27:17So, actually, what happens is,
27:19and there are some pretty, pretty horrible things said,
27:22there are some horrible accusations made.
27:24This just becomes a war of words, yeah?
27:27Yeah.
27:28Three lie detectors.
27:32Kirstie.
27:33This is to prove what?
27:35That you haven't cheated on your husband.
27:37She just claims it.
27:38Since the start of your relationship with Stephen,
27:40have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
27:42You don't even allow this to happen, do you?
27:44When you are in a physical relationship with her,
27:46does she shut up at all, ever?
27:48No.
27:50She's like, yeah.
27:51She says no.
27:53And you say she's a cheat,
27:54cos this test says she was telling the truth.
27:56Well, good.
27:57APPLAUSE
28:02If you allow... Here's a little clue, right?
28:04If you keep your mouth shut and you allow what's said to, like...
28:08People go, ooh, I've got that.
28:09If you go, nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah, they don't get it.
28:11Since the start of your relationship with Stephen,
28:13have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
28:15Cos you said that was she had. She said no.
28:17Do you know what? She passed every single question.
28:19APPLAUSE
28:23Stephen.
28:24And to be fair, you've made all these accusations.
28:26You were wrong. Say sorry to her.
28:28I do apologise for that. That's fine.
28:30So why did you make the accusations then?
28:32I meant that you make more accusations.
28:34Because think what you want.
28:35So you've accused him of sleeping with...
28:37I know he has. With who?
28:39I know that he's cheated on a few people.
28:41Oh, a note from the lie detector expert.
28:44Which I know about.
28:45Why are you doing it again? Sorry.
28:49At the start of the test,
28:50Stephen admitted that whilst on a break,
28:52he had a one-night stand with another woman.
28:54Stephen said that...
28:56Sorry, I do apologise.
28:58Stephen said Kirsty knew about this.
29:00Stephen also stated that on one occasion
29:02he kissed another woman when she came on to him.
29:04He again said that Kirsty knew about this.
29:06Those two incidents were excluded from the test.
29:08You all right with that?
29:09Since the start of your relationship with Kirsty,
29:11apart from the two occasions you've admitted to,
29:13have you passionately kissed anyone else?
29:15She said no. Why did you say no?
29:17Cos the test says you're a liar.
29:19That's all right, is it?
29:21Can I just point out, you might have failed that question.
29:24That's it. Hold on.
29:25Since the start of your relationship with Kirsty,
29:27apart from the one woman you've admitted to
29:29you said no.
29:30Test says you were lying on that question.
29:34No, I'm not saying it's wrong.
29:35I'll deal with that when I get home.
29:37Will you?
29:38Cos here's the interesting thing.
29:40He failed the sexual intercourse question as well, love.
29:43Right, OK.
29:44Now, could I just point out, that doesn't mean,
29:47it's massively important, this,
29:48doesn't mean that the accusation that you made,
29:51any relevance, but you've cheated on your wife,
29:53haven't you, more than the two times? Come on.
29:55No, I haven't.
29:56Yes, you have. It's written all over your face.
29:59Two admissions at the beginning,
30:00you thought they would get you out of it.
30:02You're a liar.
30:05Do you know the worst bit about this story,
30:07and I didn't know that, look at me,
30:08cos you and I, you haven't listened to what I'm saying,
30:10but I'm going to say something nice to you.
30:12I have a massive admiration for the fact that,
30:14out of loyalty to your old man, you are out here,
30:16and I repeat, that test does not, in any way,
30:19imply anything about the sexual abuse allegation,
30:21but you know he's cheated on you, don't you?
30:23I know he has. Yeah.
30:24That's what I said.
30:25And you're out here defending that, and that does that to you.
30:27Cos I'm a loyal wife.
30:28Yeah, well, is he a loyal husband?
30:29Yes, I am. Yes, I am.
30:31Yes, I am.
30:32Admit that's right, then.
30:33We sure are.
30:34Admit, admit, Josh,
30:36admit that you did more than what you admitted to at the beginning
30:39to her now.
30:40Yes.
30:42And then, how about,
30:45that's not BS, is it, cos she was telling the truth?
30:48Cos she knew about it, she was there.
30:50So why didn't you accept it?
30:51Why didn't he admit to you?
30:52Come on, you're doing it again.
30:54Blindly defending him.
30:56And here's the big one.
30:57You said she's slept with 200 men.
31:00I didn't say she did that.
31:01Any man that was walking you said she's had sex with?
31:05Craig's mates, and you know which one, but I can't mention.
31:09Anything to admit?
31:10No.
31:11It's interesting, isn't it?
31:12We asked Lisa, since the start of your relationship with Craig,
31:14have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
31:16Did you say the mates?
31:18You said you haven't.
31:20Why did you say you haven't? Cos I haven't.
31:22She was telling the truth, love.
31:23CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
31:27Can I ask you something?
31:29You, right past, this man failed,
31:33and this girl passed every single question again.
31:36CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
31:42Come on, come on.
31:44Bye-bye, thank you, Joe.
31:46See you later.
31:48CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
31:52I'm a liar, I'm a liar.
31:54I'm a liar.
31:55You told us you slept behind Craig's back.
31:57He bragged about it, yeah, he did.
31:59All right, Mum, sit down a minute.
32:01Sit.
32:02How come she...
32:03Come on, bye-bye.
32:04How come she passed, then? Come on.
32:06You've got your husband's cheat on you!
32:09How did she pass?
32:11I really don't know.
32:12Well, because she's telling the truth, and they all scored it out.
32:15You said that the DNA tests were created for you.
32:18OK, once again...
32:21Can I say something else? Can I say something else?
32:24The other two tests were right.
32:25In fact, your sister-in-law,
32:27who was blindly supporting your cheating brother,
32:30admitted that she knew he cheated, and he admitted the test was right.
32:33So, out of three, why would her test suddenly be wrong?
32:36I don't know, but she...
32:37Oh, and you know she's on drugs.
32:39She did a drugs test, and she was clear on that as well.
32:42CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
32:46Did you do a drugs test?
32:48Did you do a drugs test?
32:49What do you think your drugs test said?
32:52Apparently, you were clear. That was a bit of a shock to me.
32:56I will say this...
32:58I said I had... My hand's up to that.
33:00Did she tell you at 11 she'd been sexually abused?
33:02No, she never did.
33:03Were you a good mother?
33:04Yes, I was.
33:05I don't think you... Listen, what am I supposed to say?
33:07But she's passed every test.
33:09The DNA said... What am I supposed to do?
33:11Let me say one thing. Let me say one thing.
33:13No, I never did that.
33:14Oh, so now you're not calling her a cheat?
33:16That's so sick. I've come here with Ruben Gainsby,
33:18who's so poorly, and I've come here...
33:20Come here!
33:22Steve, I never did!
33:24I swear to God, I swear to God.
33:26You're a liar!
33:28If you had told me that, you know I would.
33:30You're a liar. Pull up a chair, Steve.
33:32Steve, do you want to sit down? Sit down.
33:34CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
33:40Can I say one thing?
33:42Can I say one thing?
33:44You can only expect us, on a serious note,
33:47to base our assumptions...
33:49I have no assumption.
33:51I can only base it on what I'm told.
33:53I repeat, we are not able to do a lie detector
33:56based on the sexual abuse allegation,
33:58and despite the fact that Stephen failed that
34:01about infidelity, which he admitted was right,
34:04it in no way reflects on that.
34:06All I can say to you is, I can't say you're a bad mum,
34:09I can't say it didn't happen,
34:11but what I can say is, in two shows,
34:13having been told that she had cheated on him
34:15and the kid wasn't his, she hadn't and the kid is,
34:18the DNA proves that Craig was her father,
34:20she's passed the lie detector, she's passed the drugs test,
34:23what more can you expect me to do, darling?
34:26What more?
34:27The only thing that's got me the most is,
34:29how dare you say that Ruby's not ill?
34:31And that?
34:32You know that is wrong.
34:34You've been there visiting at the hospital in intensive care.
34:37I've been there, Lisa.
34:38So how can you say that I'm making up that she's ill?
34:40Why do you hate your daughter so much?
34:42Pardon? Why do you hate your daughter so much?
34:44That's a fact.
34:45She's been to hospital 22 times.
34:47She's got PCD and MPS5.
34:49I have not seen you for months, I've had her.
34:51She might not even live until she's five.
34:53There's your granddaughter.
34:55No, I haven't.
34:56Where are you going now?
34:58Yeah, no, she is.
34:59But I've not seen her, she uses them babies against me
35:02and all I've ever done is look at Craig.
35:04You know, though, Craig,
35:05you know that all I've ever done is look at her.
35:07Don't you think you should get in there and talk to your daughter?
35:10But you know that, Craig.
35:11Don't you think you should be in there talking to your daughter
35:14and trying to put this right?
35:16Don't be a mother.
35:18Don't be a mother, go on.
35:20Be quiet, be quiet.
35:22Go on, why don't you take the lead
35:24and go and talk to your kid for a minute?
35:27Seriously, nobody else.
35:29Nobody else.
35:30Nobody else.
35:31Lisa.
35:32You know I've been there for you and them babies, you know that.
35:35Why say that Ruby's not ill?
35:37Why say that?
35:38Lisa, I haven't seen you for months.
35:40She is ill.
35:41No Ruby's been there since five weeks old.
35:43That poor baby's terminally ill, she's dying
35:45and you're telling me that she's not ill.
35:47You're wrong.
35:48Why don't you just try a different tack?
35:50Instead of she said, I said, this is a...
35:53That's your daughter.
35:54Yes, she is my daughter.
35:55Either you accept that you've both made mistakes
35:58or fabricated things or haven't been great to each other
36:01and you move forward or where does this end?
36:03You're going to spend the rest of your lives
36:05moaning and bitching and point scoring.
36:07Frankly, it's embarrassing to watch.
36:10It's shameful.
36:11So, this is done for me, I'm not doing this again.
36:14No, I said that, I didn't want to come back again.
36:16What happens from here?
36:18What happens?
36:19Because maybe I've come from a different world.
36:21My mother would have gone, my God, my granddaughter's ill,
36:24my daughter needs me, let's put aside whatever
36:26and let's do the right thing.
36:27No, everyone would have just thought we were talking.
36:29But you don't listen, you talk non-stop.
36:31I know I do, I'm a water mouth, I know, I apologise for that.
36:33What happens, guys?
36:34No.
36:35That's it, I've done today, I've got what I needed,
36:37I've proved myself.
36:38You've just picked a side, that's fine.
36:40But you've accused Stephen of doing something so violent.
36:43He hasn't.
36:44I'm not going back there.
36:46Why doesn't Stephen go to the police?
36:48Why doesn't Stephen go to the police?
36:50He's going to the police after the show.
36:52He's going, he's getting...
36:54Why didn't you tell me this?
36:55I only found out the other night, Lisa.
36:57Of course not.
36:58You don't want to resolve this with each other, do you?
37:00Not when she's been with them, no.
37:02Do you want to resolve this, yes or no?
37:04I just want to see my grandkids.
37:05How can you see your grandkids?
37:07When you say she's not even ill, you're not even bothered?
37:09So you will walk away from your daughter and your granddaughter
37:11because you believe that she's a manipulative liar, yes or no?
37:13Jeremy, can I just say one thing?
37:15Please, Jeremy, can I just say one thing?
37:17No, you can't, because I've listened to you all non-stop.
37:19She was in intensive care a week ago, she didn't even visit.
37:21So you're walking away, yeah?
37:23Because of what she said about me.
37:24Are you walking away?
37:25Yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:26So you put what she said... Right, go, then.
37:27Well, which way do I go?
37:28Go whichever way you want, love,
37:29cos, blatantly, you're not the sort of mother I'd want in my life.
37:31No, I'm fine.
37:32APPLAUSE
37:34Thank you. Please sit down.
37:35No, I'm fine, love.
37:36I can tell, but you don't listen, mate.
37:38You talk non-stop.
37:40I repeat what we said out there,
37:41and it's a really dangerous story for us to do.
37:43We can't do a lie detector on sexual abuse.
37:45I have to take what you...
37:46And I'm not going to pass judgment on him.
37:48That's between the two of you.
37:49If you choose to take that further, then fine.
37:51But for me, you've proven with DNA that Craig's the father,
37:53you've proven with a lie detector that you haven't cheated on Craig,
37:56and you've proven with the drugs test that you're not taking drugs.
37:58But one thing that matters, just leave this and go home
38:01and be a mother and a father to your kids.
38:03I've come here to do this.
38:04All right, stay there. Listen, I'm lying down in the dark room.
38:06Back after the break. Don't go anywhere.
38:08Are you a cheat? No.
38:09Are you sure? Yeah.
38:10Since you restarted your relationship with Nick,
38:12have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
38:14You said no. Why don't you say no, babe?
38:16I haven't.
38:21What leads you here?
38:22You're the man, aren't you?
38:24CHEERING
38:26Your wife of a year is now in a relationship with your own dad.
38:32She's having sex with her cousin.
38:36He's now with 11 people.
38:41So you're now with the mother, but you were with the daughter.
38:44Did you have any kids with the daughter? Yes.
38:46That means you're now sleeping with their granny.
38:49Stu is here to refute a shocking allegation.
38:53He says he did not rape his own daughter.
38:58That's little!
39:06You're a liar! She's a liar!
39:12You're lying!
39:19This job gets weirder by the day.
39:23Do you think you're being lied to?
39:25Do you have evidence to prove it,
39:27like home videos, recordings or texts,
39:29that you want to confront someone with?
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39:52CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
39:56Thank you very much indeed. Welcome back.
39:59Nick is here to find out if his girlfriend Vicky has cheated.
40:02He says a string of unfaithful relationships have left him paranoid
40:05and he's worried that Vicky is exactly the same
40:07as he's constantly hearing rumours that she's been with other men.
40:10Nick admits to checking her phone and regularly questioning her,
40:13but says, I want to marry this woman.
40:15But he says, before I do, I need the truth.
40:17Big day for him. Nick is on the Jeremy Carr Show.
40:20CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
40:26Thanks for coming on.
40:28I say this a lot, but it is really this sort of story.
40:31It's a relevant comment.
40:33Some people will come here with quite tangible evidence
40:36and they'll say, look, others will go, it's a gut feeling.
40:39The intro said about you that you've been cheated on in the past.
40:43Yeah, I've had bad relationships in the past.
40:45Lots of bad relationships.
40:47When you say you thought it would be different with Vicky, why?
40:50Tell me about that. Talk up, speak up.
40:52It was good at the beginning.
40:55Yeah, of course. It was good at the beginning,
40:57but then obviously, like, I started getting paranoid.
40:59It started off like her...
41:01sent me a message, started sending me a message on Facebook
41:04saying, oh, be careful of her and all this,
41:06and that just started me off straight away.
41:08We can't be specific. You've been cheated on in the past.
41:11Has she got somewhat of a reputation,
41:13or are you being unfair towards her?
41:15I'm being unfair towards her. I know I am. I know I am.
41:18What happened six months into the relationship?
41:21Like, obviously...
41:23messaged me that, and that just set me off.
41:25Sends a message saying what?
41:27Basically, just saying, oh, you've got to be careful of her.
41:30See, here's the interesting thing about men.
41:32You know men are much less secure than women.
41:34Why didn't you go, ah, I know why that is,
41:37because they're not happy that we're happy
41:39and she's probably jealous that I'm...
41:41Because I've been in the same situations before.
41:43Well, maybe you need to look in the mirror.
41:45Oh, there you go, yeah. No, I'm not having a go, but maybe...
41:48I mean, how many times have you been cheated on?
41:51Oh, six.
41:54I know she's the love of your life, but there surely comes a point...
41:57All of us have had situations in our lives where it hasn't been ideal.
42:02But you're being unfair to this one.
42:04I know I am. I know I am. This is what I mean.
42:06Vicky is, I'm sure, great, and you're like,
42:08you're doing this, you're doing...
42:10I am, yeah. How paranoid are you with her?
42:12Quite paranoid, yeah. I walk into her room,
42:15she knows she'll jump, do you know what I mean?
42:18That's the reality. I know.
42:20You've got to change. I know. Paranoia will annoy her.
42:22In the end, you'll be on your own.
42:23In the end, something that really matters is going to go,
42:25do you know what, you don't believe me, do you check her phone?
42:27Yeah. Why? I can't help it.
42:29What do you mean, you can't help it? How can I help it?
42:31It's happened that much, and if I don't do it...
42:33You tell my team she gets defensive when I check her phone.
42:36Damn right, she's into her damn phone, man.
42:38APPLAUSE
42:40I know, I know, I know. Now, you realise what that is.
42:44Get her heading for a right for all that.
42:46She's probably cheating with everybody in the room.
42:48Look, the fact is, your mindset has to change.
42:52I know it does, yeah. That's what I'm saying. I know.
42:55There comes a point where you can't feel sorry for yourself,
42:58you can't put onto the next relationship
43:00what you think's going to happen.
43:02What happens if she fails?
43:04Oh, I don't know. I don't know.
43:07Just another reason to think the whole world's against you, yeah?
43:10All women are like that, and the world's a nightmare.
43:12Can I tell you a little secret, right?
43:17Relationships aren't easy. Yeah, of course they're not.
43:19But you absolutely know, I promise you,
43:22when you are thinking straight and when you're with the right person.
43:26Yeah, exactly.
43:27And you need to take pressure off this lady, I think.
43:29I do. I love her to bits, she knows that.
43:31But then what's quite interesting about her is
43:33she's refused to do a lie detector from the beginning of the relationship.
43:36Only from when you restarted the relationship. Why's that?
43:39I don't know.
43:40Well, you apparently agreed with it.
43:42Well, I just said, like, we broke up...
43:44I've never seen anybody more miserable on the Jeremy Carr show.
43:48Vic is on the Jeremy Carr that way.
43:58Vic, welcome to the show. How long have you been with him?
44:01Just over a year.
44:03I knew as soon as I set eyes on him
44:05he was the one I would spend the rest of my life with.
44:07What, in this instance, in this way?
44:09No, well, it hasn't been like this, though.
44:11Only been for the last couple of months, hasn't it?
44:13No. Why?
44:14We can't be specific, but he got a text.
44:17No, he was on about the taxi, me and him, while taxiing him.
44:21She said that I used to be in a really bad relationship
44:24and, actually, I really thought that Nick had changed my view
44:27of how a woman could be cheated.
44:29True.
44:30Treated, not cheated.
44:31Oop, slip of the tongue.
44:33And it's just, that's devastated you a bit.
44:35Can I say something with that?
44:37I don't expect everybody to come at you and be,
44:39you do look miserable, you two.
44:41Yeah.
44:42Yeah, well, you wouldn't be otherwise.
44:44Who's idea to ring the show?
44:45Mine.
44:46Are you a cheat?
44:47No.
44:48You sure?
44:49Yeah.
44:50Tell him. Don't lie, don't hold his hand and go,
44:52I love you.
44:53Tell him what it's doing to you.
44:55I tell him every day.
44:56Don't be quite quoting them. Shut that.
44:58You didn't say when I wanted you to speak, now you won't stop.
45:00Listen to her, tell him.
45:01I tell you every day I want to be with you.
45:03What does it do? Not that.
45:05What do the accusations do to you?
45:07It puts me down and makes me upset all the time.
45:10I know it does.
45:11You know.
45:12Is he pushing you away?
45:13Oh, yeah.
45:14And the way that you behave now, you're watching yourself,
45:18I guess, the whole time because of what he's accusing you of.
45:21Yeah, it's that.
45:22You know.
45:23Jump.
45:24The relationship, that is it.
45:25It's that, I'm getting back in, jumping out of that
45:27and jumping back into it.
45:28Can I ask you a question?
45:30Can you imagine a situation where the accusations
45:33are so intense that you walk away?
45:35Oh, yeah, I'll be walking away if it don't change after today.
45:38I'll up and leave.
45:39There you go.
45:40Well, now you're doing it again, there you go.
45:42All women leave me, I'm a nightmare.
45:44No, no, I'm just saying.
45:46You stop being a victim, mate.
45:47You've got it written all over your...
45:49No, but you're shaking your head, you've got victim.
45:51What are you a victim of?
45:52Six women.
45:53Shall I tell you what my mum told me?
45:55Mm.
45:56If a person does that to you,
45:57they're not worth living well being with, are they?
46:00APPLAUSE
46:02And there's a way of thinking about it.
46:04There's a way... Just remember that.
46:06Will, just remember that.
46:07If a woman cheats on you, you shouldn't be with it.
46:09Understand that, OK?
46:10The point is this.
46:12There's two ways of looking.
46:13You need to refocus your brain.
46:14You're like, oh, women cheating me, my life's a nightmare,
46:16I can't trust anybody, I've got to check my phone.
46:18I'd be going, do you know what?
46:20The other six weren't worth it, it wasn't nice,
46:23but it led me to a woman that I love,
46:25but in a minute, unless I change, she's going to do one,
46:28which will merely reinforce my belief
46:30that I'm not good enough and every woman's a nightmare.
46:32Come on, man, you've got to take some responsibility here.
46:34Oh, I know I have, yeah. I know that.
46:36But then if you fail, I'm going to look like a real idiot.
46:39Yeah, I'm not going to fail.
46:40How many people think Vicky's going to pass?
46:43There's a few who don't.
46:46But you won't stop.
46:47Here's another thing I want to tell you, and I'm not being cynical,
46:50you could pass this test and you won't stop being paranoid.
46:52Yeah.
46:53You might have to lose her for you to wise up.
46:55By the way, why did you only do the test from when you restarted?
46:58Because that's where it sort of started from.
47:00That's where all the paranoia started.
47:02At the start of the test, Vicky asked us to ask the questions
47:04from when her relationship with Nick restarted,
47:06which we did, because that was agreed with you.
47:08Since she restarted your relationship with Nick,
47:10have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
47:12You said no. Why did you say no, Vick?
47:14I haven't.
47:15Cos she was telling the truth!
47:17APPLAUSE
47:19Oh, no!
47:23Since she restarted your relationship with Nick,
47:25have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
47:27Cos she was telling... Do you know what?
47:29She passed every single question!
47:31APPLAUSE
47:41I love you. You remind me.
47:43APPLAUSE
47:58I told you.
47:59Better than when I did it recently.
48:01I went down on one knee and there was glass on the floor.
48:03Right, listen, can I just say,
48:05doing that doesn't make you feel any secure.
48:07She's good. She's listened to me.
48:09No, but you've got to listen, cos you've got a right bloke,
48:11but you'll end up messing it up.
48:13You've got to let her breathe.
48:15And I'm going to do this, and William always takes the mickey.
48:17It's like that. If you crush your butterfly, it'll just...
48:20Seriously. Nice to meet you. Happy?
48:22Yeah.
48:23Pass the test. Frame it and stop believing everybody else.
48:25Get out of here. Give me a round of applause.
48:27APPLAUSE
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