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00:00TAKEYUKI HASEGAWA
00:11Good morning.
00:13Today is October 26th.
00:15We have a question from Nikkei Saturday News.
00:17Let me introduce today's guest.
00:21TAKEYUKI HASEGAWA
00:31ATSUKO HIGASHINO
00:41TETSUO KOTANI
00:50Let's take a look at today's headlines.
00:55Here it is.
00:57This week, we have news that North Korean troops are in Russia.
01:02Russia's aggressive strategy.
01:05This is the special edition.
01:07I'm curious about the North Korean troops.
01:10Of course, it also affects the Ukraine election.
01:14This is very close to Russia and North Korea.
01:18How will this affect the security of the Far East?
01:21I'd like to dig deep into this today.
01:25How far will the cooperation spread?
01:27And the true alliance, the temporary alliance?
01:31I wonder what Russia is thinking.
01:34It looks like an actual military alliance.
01:39Are they trying to use North Korea just for now?
01:43I'd like to dig deep into this today.
01:50Before we get to the special edition,
01:53we have breaking news from the Middle East.
01:56The Israeli military announced on the 26th
02:00that it is conducting precision attacks on Iranian military facilities.
02:04This is a counterattack to the first ballistic missile attack.
02:08The U.S. military said it heard multiple explosions in Tehran.
02:14The Israeli media said the air defense system
02:17and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Base were the main targets.
02:21Fox News reported that Israel notified the U.S. government
02:25just before the counterattack.
02:28That's all the news we have.
02:30We don't have much information yet.
02:35Mr. Kotani, what do you think?
02:37The U.S. and Israel have been adjusting their retaliation
02:42for the past month or so.
02:45The U.S. doesn't want any more escalation.
02:48We've been putting a lot of pressure on them
02:52to stop the attacks on facilities and oil facilities.
02:58On the other hand, retaliation itself was okay.
03:03After the retaliation, Iran could retaliate again.
03:08So we've been preparing to defend Israel
03:11including the distribution of U.S. air defense missiles.
03:15I think the retaliation started with the adjustment of both sides.
03:20So far, the U.S. has been attacking
03:23the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Base and air defense facilities.
03:30The U.S. has not attacked the oil facilities or nuclear facilities.
03:35So the U.S. is trying to stop the escalation.
03:42The second attack has just begun.
03:47The first attack was a cruise missile from an aircraft.
03:53I think the next target is whether Israel will use a ballistic missile.
03:58If Israel uses a ballistic missile, it could be retaliation.
04:02I think that's the next point.
04:05The map shows that the U.S. has already
04:08attacked the oil facilities and nuclear facilities.
04:14But if the oil facilities are attacked,
04:17the price of crude oil will go up.
04:19And it's just before the presidential election.
04:22The Biden administration is worried about that.
04:25The U.S. has already negotiated with Israel.
04:28But according to the information,
04:30the U.S. has not targeted the oil facilities.
04:33Is that correct?
04:35That's right.
04:36According to the information,
04:38the U.S. has not targeted the oil facilities.
04:41So the U.S. is trying to retaliate
04:44by attacking the oil facilities on October 1.
04:48If the U.S. does that,
04:50the U.S. will attack Israel.
04:52There was an observation that Israel would retaliate early.
04:55But it took almost a month.
04:57What do you think about that?
04:59The U.S. needed to make adjustments.
05:02There was a large-scale attack in April.
05:05There was an attack in October.
05:07Israel is firing a lot of anti-aircraft missiles.
05:11There should have been a shortage of stock.
05:14So it was necessary to replenish it.
05:18It was necessary to replenish it in the U.S. defense system.
05:23It took a long time.
05:25Mr. Hasegawa, what do you think?
05:28From Russia's point of view,
05:31Iran has been very supportive of Putin
05:34during the Russian-Ukrainian war.
05:37Especially in terms of military support.
05:40Iran has provided unmanned aircraft
05:43such as the Shahed.
05:45Iran has provided unmanned aircraft
05:48such as the Shahed.
05:50Iran has provided unmanned aircraft
05:53such as the Shahed.
05:55Iran has provided unmanned aircraft
05:58such as the Shahed.
06:00Iran has provided unmanned aircraft
06:03such as the Shahed.
06:05Iran has provided unmanned aircraft
06:08such as the Shahed.
06:10Iran has provided unmanned aircraft
06:13such as the Shahed.
06:15Iran has provided unmanned aircraft
06:18such as the Shahed.
06:20Iran has provided unmanned aircraft
06:23such as the Shahed.
06:25Iran has provided unmanned aircraft
06:28such as the Shahed.
06:30Iran has provided unmanned aircraft
06:33such as the Shahed.
06:35Iran has provided unmanned aircraft
06:38such as the Shahed.
06:40What is the situation of Russia
06:43in support of Iran?
06:45I think Russia will be struggling
06:48with this issue.
06:50They have a strong relationship
06:53with Israel and Netanyahu.
06:56with Israel and Netanyahu.
06:58with Israel and Netanyahu.
07:00So while maintaining this relationship,
07:03So while maintaining this relationship,
07:06is there a way to support Iran
07:09It's a difficult situation to maintain a relationship with a country that supports it.
07:14Mr. Higashino, where do you pay attention to?
07:17Iran's attack on Israel was seen in Europe as something that could happen at any time,
07:23so I don't see any surprising reactions.
07:30Earlier, you mentioned the relationship with Russia, but looking at Ukraine,
07:35Iran is seen as a war-torn country that actively supports Russia militarily.
07:45Regarding Israel, in October last year,
07:50President Zelensky made a statement that actively supports Israel,
07:55but if you look at how Israel is attacking now, it's a bad sign.
08:00Ukraine doesn't support Israel as much as Israel does,
08:05and the European countries around it are not in a position to support Israel,
08:10but they can't support it.
08:12The more they support it, the more it becomes a double standard for Russia.
08:16That's right.
08:18So they can't support Israel as much as they can.
08:21It's a fight between countries that are at a considerable distance or hostile to each other,
08:27so I don't see any reaction.
08:33Mr. Kotani, I don't know if Iran will retaliate or not,
08:39but how do you see it?
08:42I think it depends on how much damage it will cause and where it will be attacked in the end.
08:51If Iran feels that it has to retaliate, there is a possibility that it will continue,
09:00and if Iran can strike here, I think it will stop here.
09:06Yes.
09:07After this is a special report.
09:09North Korea attacks Russia.
09:11Let's think about the role of Russia and North Korea.
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09:32On the 13th, President Zelensky of Ukraine said that not only weapons,
09:39but also that people were sent to the occupied forces from North Korea.
09:43On the 17th, Mr. Zelensky pointed out that about 10,000 North Korean soldiers were preparing to attack.
09:57He explained this information at a meeting of the EU,
10:03and told the United States.
10:13At least 3,000 soldiers into Eastern Russia.
10:16After completing training, these soldiers could travel to Western Russia
10:21and then engage in combat against the Ukrainian military.
10:26On the 23rd, the United States confirmed that North Korean soldiers were in Russia.
10:34On the 24th, the Defense Ministry of Ukraine announced that
10:38North Korean troops were confirmed in Kursk, western Russia,
10:42to carry out a counter-insurgency operation.
10:46It is said that information will be sent to the front line from the 27th to the 28th as soon as possible.
10:55This time, it is said that the troops sent from North Korea are elite troops,
11:01but it is said that they have no actual combat experience, and they are inexperienced.
11:07What kind of impact will it have on the situation?
11:15At first, both Russia and North Korea denied the sentries,
11:20but the attitude has changed.
11:25At the press conference of the BRICS, which closed on the 24th,
11:29President Putin did not deny the sentries from North Korea.
11:35He touched on a new treaty with North Korea, which strengthened military cooperation,
11:40and emphasized that it was our problem how to implement the treaty.
11:47In addition, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of North Korea did not deny the sentries from North Korea,
11:53and announced their statement through the state-run media that
11:58they were acting in accordance with international law.
12:03The military cooperation between Russia and North Korea,
12:07which has come to the point where it is thought to be a real North Korean war,
12:14is a matter of course.
12:21On the other hand, Ukraine, which is in a difficult situation, also made a move.
12:27On the 16th, President Zelensky announced his victory plan against Russia.
12:34In addition to the attack on Russia by long-range weapons that the United States does not allow,
12:40President Zelensky is also looking for negotiations with Russia,
12:46Ukraine, NATO, and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
12:51President Zelensky claims that if he implements this plan now,
12:55it will be possible to end the war next year.
13:00However, whether the plan will succeed or not depends on the support of the country.
13:05If there is no world support, we will lose, he emphasized.
13:11Can Ukraine's victory plan be implemented?
13:19In the meantime, the BRICS summit, which is held in Russia from the 22nd,
13:24is held in China and Russia, etc.
13:30It was the first meeting between Iran and Egypt,
13:34which was expanded to nine countries,
13:38and adopted the Summary Dictionary, the Volcano Declaration.
13:44In the declaration, it was noted that in consideration of the sanctions against Russia by the Western countries,
13:50it would be concerned about the destructive effect of unilateral coercion measures,
13:55and that it would support the creation of a partner state system.
14:01It is said that China and Russia want to raise the BRICS as an antithesis to the Western countries,
14:08but will it go as planned?
14:13Here is today's theme.
14:15We will look at Ukraine's victory plan,
14:18but first, we will deepen the discussion on the seriousness of Russia's approach to North Korea.
14:24First of all, the information on whether North Korea will participate in the invasion of Ukraine is being updated day by day.
14:31On the 24th, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry announced that
14:34a total of 12,000 North Korean soldiers had already arrived in Russia
14:39and that training was being conducted at five military bases.
14:44U.S. Secretary of State Austin said on the 23rd that there was evidence that North Korea had dispatched troops to Russia.
14:51In addition, Ukrainian President Zelensky said that
14:54he had received information that a full-scale invasion to the front line would take place from October 27 to 28.
15:04And North Korea's troops are also gradually being deployed.
15:10Kim Jong-un, who was ahead of the troops,
15:14inspected the special forces in September and October and confirmed the high level of training.
15:19It is seen that a special unit, especially a unit with elite soldiers,
15:23the North Korean military, is being dispatched.
15:28And the Korean media reported that
15:31the Russian side is paying about 300,000 yen per soldier,
15:36which is about 2,000 dollars per soldier.
15:42However, in the Ukrainian local media,
15:44it is also reported that 18 North Korean soldiers who left their positions at the stage before the dispatch were arrested,
15:51and they are confused.
15:54There is a lot of information about how many people are dispatched at the moment.
16:01Mr. Hasegawa, first of all, what is the purpose of the North Korean side,
16:05or how will the North Korean soldiers be used on the battlefield?
16:13Well, one of the goals of the North Korean side is to
16:18strengthen the strategic partnership between Russia and North Korea.
16:24By sending personnel and equipment to Russia,
16:33it is a form of paying back.
16:36So when there is a high-level criminal case,
16:39the North Korean side is actively approaching it in a form of paying back.
16:47In addition, I think it is a place to gain experience on the battlefield.
16:51There is no experience of a large-scale land battle.
16:55You haven't been in a real battle for a long time, have you?
16:57That's right.
16:58It is also a very difficult situation to send it to other regions and gain experience in such a real battle.
17:05However, by sending it to Ukraine,
17:08it will gain combat experience with the Ukrainian army,
17:13which actually received support from the western weapons.
17:17It is a modern war.
17:19It's a land battle, but it's also a combination of new areas,
17:24such as space cyber and electromagnetic warfare.
17:28I think it's a war in Ukraine,
17:30so I think it's also a goal to gain such experience.
17:32What do you think, Ms. Higashiro?
17:34Originally, there was a report that there were hundreds of North Korean missile engineers in Russia.
17:44It was in Ukraine,
17:46but in the past week, the report has become more concrete.
17:50Not only engineers, but also soldiers.
17:53And it has come to the point where it is impossible to deny the development
17:58that the North Koreans and the Ukrainians kill each other on the front line.
18:03It's been a while since we've been able to know for a while
18:08whether or not there are North Korean soldiers in Russia.
18:12But looking at the discussion on October 21st in the UN,
18:16the countries that participated in the discussion
18:19were not just speculating,
18:21but were actually discussing the possibility that North Korean troops were in Russia.
18:27Japan included.
18:29They were discussing that.
18:31It's a very high-level information.
18:33I think it's been shared to some extent by the government in each country.
18:39As for the impact,
18:41for example, there are talks of 3,000 or 10,000 people at the moment,
18:46but it is not known whether it will have a major impact on the election.
18:51Also, if it is deployed in Kursk,
18:54Russia has already taken a certain amount of Ukraine.
18:59I think they're probably focusing on maintaining the status quo.
19:04I don't know if it's really going to come right in the head.
19:09Kursk, where the Ukrainian side is now attacking Russia.
19:14North Korea is also participating in defense in the Russian territory.
19:20That's the way it's going to be.
19:22If it really goes to the Ukrainian side,
19:25North Korea is also involved in the attack on Ukraine.
19:29There is also a risk of being taken prisoner.
19:33What do you think about this?
19:36The issue of prisoners is a very big issue in Ukraine and in European countries that support Ukraine.
19:43If that were to happen,
19:45I don't know how North Korea would explain it,
19:48and I don't know how Russia would explain it.
19:51But I think it's more likely that they'll be in Kursk for a while before that happens.
20:00Mr. Kotani, what do you think?
20:02First of all, this time,
20:04I think it was very late for the United States to confirm the movement of North Korean troops.
20:12Even before the war began,
20:16the United States has been actively dismissing Russian information and trying to suppress Russian actions.
20:23Last year, when North Korea began to send bombs to Russia,
20:28the United States was the first to release this information.
20:31But this time, it seems that the information was hard to get.
20:35This time, I think we've seen a trend in which the U.S. is no longer able to get information from Russia.
20:46Does that mean the Russian side is taking various measures?
20:49Yes, I think so.
20:50Until now, information had been leaking out,
20:53and Russia should have begun to figure out where it was leaking from.
20:57I think that's probably why the U.S. reaction was so late this time.
21:06As for the impact of the North Korean troops' participation,
21:11as the two of you said, we still don't know how it will be used.
21:19But I think North Korea wants to make the June partnership agreement closer to an alliance.
21:35When the agreement was announced in June, Kim Jong-un himself called it an alliance,
21:42but President Putin himself did not call it an alliance.
21:46There was a slight temperature difference,
21:49but by actively providing military power,
21:53I think there is probably a desire to make the Putin side recognize this as an alliance.
22:00In that sense, I think we have to be careful that Russia and North Korea are heading in the direction of an alliance.
22:10This is the information about the partnership that came out earlier.
22:14This is a comprehensive strategic partnership agreement that Russia and North Korea signed in June.
22:21And on the 24th, President Putin touched on these four items and said that
22:27what will be done within the framework of this information depends on Russia.
22:32And in the four items of the partnership agreement,
22:35if either side of Russia or North Korea takes a military advance and is in a state of war,
22:41the military support for each other will be determined by all means of military support.
22:49In addition, President Putin, who avoids making a statement about North Korea's defeat, does not deny it.
22:54Mr. Hasegawa, if you read this much, it looks like a practical military alliance,
23:00but President Putin is in trouble now, so he accepts North Korea's defeat.
23:09Is North Korea prepared to support him when he is in trouble?
23:14Or is it a temporary alliance?
23:17Basically, I think that President Putin's foreign policy so far is to use the other party in a convenient way.
23:25In the past, there was a group security guarantee mechanism centered on the former Soviet Union, especially in Central Asia and the Caucasus region.
23:33However, there are some suspicious points about the implementation of the agreement itself.
23:39For Russia, this alliance is quite different from what we think.
23:47Also, in June, the agreement itself was agreed upon,
23:52but in fact, the procedure for the approval of the agreement in Russia,
23:57as well as the procedure for the approval of the agreement in North Korea,
24:02began on the first week of October.
24:05So, I think that there is a certain degree of temperature difference in Russia.
24:10In the past, there was a movement to pursue a cooperative relationship with North Korea,
24:16but the Russian security community opposed it to some extent.
24:21However, in the midst of a strong debate in the Ukraine war,
24:26President Putin's strong initiative,
24:29and his personal relationship with Kim Jong-un, the dictator,
24:36I think that this partnership is going well.
24:40How about you, Ms. Higashiyono?
24:42As Mr. Hasegawa just said,
24:45I think it is important to see what kind of relationship the international community sees
24:50in addition to how the actual situation is.
24:55By strengthening this partnership,
24:58Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran,
25:01in terms of Ukraine invasion by Russia,
25:04are invading Ukraine as if these four countries are firmly allied,
25:09and are also fighting against NATO countries that support Ukraine.
25:13By doing so, I think that Russia has no resistance at all.
25:19So far, for example, from the reaction of NATO countries,
25:22the first enemy is, of course, Russia,
25:25and China, which supports Russia.
25:28However, this time, Iran and North Korea,
25:32as an entity that threatens international order,
25:35I think that they will have to come up with a countermeasure or a countermeasure.
25:41So, I think that the specific participation of North Korea
25:44will change the recognition of NATO against North Korea
25:48and the recognition of the relationship between these four countries.
25:52I have a question about the relationship between the countries.
25:57I would like to ask you again, Ms. Higashiyono.
26:00In this situation, especially in China,
26:02I think that China has been supporting North Korea for a long time.
26:06How does China view the fact that North Korea has been supporting Russia
26:11for a long time?
26:13I'm not a Chinese expert, so I don't know,
26:16but from a normal point of view,
26:18I don't think it's unexpected that North Korea would make such a move,
26:25but I don't think it should be welcomed at all.
26:29It is a fact that China supports North Korea,
26:34but North Korea is also actively participating.
26:38So, I don't think it's interesting at all
26:43that China would make such a move
26:47even though it didn't want North Korea to make such a move.
26:51The relationship between China and Russia is that
26:55China has a neutral stance,
26:59but China is making a move to solve this war peacefully.
27:05If you think about the relationship between China and North Korea,
27:09you can see that North Korea is trying to break the balance that China wants,
27:15so I don't think it's very interesting.
27:19And as I just said,
27:21I don't think it's interesting for China to be seen as a vertical
27:26that Russia, North Korea and China don't need.
27:29Ms. Kotani, what I'm most concerned about is
27:31how this move will affect the security of the Far East,
27:36including Japan.
27:38If you look at the contents of this partnership,
27:41it looks like Russia will support North Korea when something happens.
27:46For North Korea, the desire is very strong,
27:50but from our point of view,
27:52it looks like a temporary situation.
27:54What should we do with this influence?
27:57First of all, this time North Korea will be deployed,
28:00so they will gain practical experience on the battlefield.
28:05This will increase North Korea's military capabilities,
28:09and as a return for the deployment of troops,
28:13North Korea should want to receive tactics,
28:17space technology, and submarine technology from Russia.
28:23If that happens, the distance between the Far East and Asia
28:27will be further increased.
28:29I think this will be a great threat to Japan and Asia.
28:35However, I think the general view is that
28:38Russia and North Korea are not a trusted partnership.
28:46For example, since the Kursk invasion began,
28:50North Korea has repeatedly expressed dissatisfaction with Russia.
28:57In other words, according to Russian doctrine,
29:00if the territory is invaded by foreign forces,
29:03it should be a case of using nuclear weapons.
29:06But North Korea has repeatedly said that it is not using them.
29:10I see.
29:11As North Korea, we want Russia to use nuclear weapons.
29:15If Russia shows the example first,
29:18it will be easier for them to use tactics.
29:22But North Korea has expressed dissatisfaction with Russia.
29:26I think they are trying to see if Russia is serious about using nuclear weapons.
29:33I don't think it's strange that Russia, which does not use nuclear weapons,
29:37will come to help us when North Korea is attacked.
29:42Speaking of nuclear weapons,
29:44there was a six-nuclear deal,
29:46and Russia was involved in it.
29:48It was supposed to prevent North Korea from using nuclear weapons.
29:53But now that there is such a partnership,
29:56it has collapsed.
29:58China has also said that it wants to prevent North Korea from using nuclear weapons.
30:03Do you think there will be some kind of deterrence?
30:07At least North Korea will have to conduct its seventh nuclear test.
30:13I don't think Russia will oppose it.
30:16I don't think it will be a deterrent.
30:18But I think China is in a difficult position.
30:22I think it is possible that North Korea's response to nuclear tests will change between Russia and China.
30:28Another thing I'm curious about is what South Korea is saying.
30:33It is clear that there is a confrontation between the two countries.
30:37What I'm curious about is the principle of non-proliferation of weapons to Ukraine.
30:46But North Korea is saying that it is flexible in its activities.
30:52I'm curious about this, too.
30:54Does South Korea really do that?
30:58So far, we have not handed over nuclear weapons directly.
31:03We have handed them out through the United States.
31:06It will be possible in the future.
31:09But what South Korea is probably thinking about the most is
31:12that it has its own missile defense system.
31:18We will put it in Ukraine.
31:20North Korean-made KN-23s are now being sold by Russia.
31:24I'd like to see if we can counter this.
31:29Now, let's talk about Ukraine's victory plan.
31:42First, let's look at Ukraine's victory plan.
31:48President Zelensky gave a speech on the 16th and announced his victory plan.
31:53First, an immediate invitation to the NATO-Ukraine negotiations.
31:56Second, strengthening Ukraine's defense.
31:58Specifically, we are asking the U.S. side to limit the use of long-range weapons.
32:03Third, strengthening Russia's deterrence.
32:06Fourth, strengthening its potential economic power.
32:09Fifth, contributing to NATO strengthening after the war.
32:13Ukraine is also expected to play a part in the role of the U.S. military stationed in Europe.
32:18If we adopt this plan now, it is possible to end the war in 2025.
32:25This plan was presented to US President Biden, Vice President Harris, and President Trump in September.
32:32On the 17th, it was also explained to the EU and NATO.
32:36Here's the reaction.
32:38NATO Director-General Rutte said,
32:42The plan is a strong signal, but it is difficult to support the entire plan.
32:47The U.S. Secretary of State for Defense Austin avoided the assessment that he was not in a position to evaluate the victory plan.
32:54Russian Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs Zaharova criticized that he was trying to directly collide with NATO and Russia.
33:02Mr. Higashino, what is the point of this victory plan?
33:07It's hard to say where the point is.
33:11Unfortunately, the effect that Ukraine has aimed at by launching this victory plan has not been achieved.
33:19You can see that it is very difficult, no matter which one you look at.
33:25I'm not asking you to put in the NATO name that looks the most difficult, but I want you to do it right now.
33:35As for the second one, it's a secret document, so it hasn't been released yet.
33:43I want you to cancel all restrictions on long-range weapons.
33:47The third one is even more complicated.
33:51By doing this, I want Russia to think that it is useless to invade Ukraine any further.
33:59It seems that such a package is included.
34:01As for the 4th and 5th, it also includes the post-war plan.
34:05It's something that can be started right now, but it also includes the post-war part.
34:09As for Ukraine's desperate wish, I know that all of this is difficult,
34:15but the allies will do it right away.
34:18They will support all of this.
34:20I wanted to get rid of the Russian front.
34:26As I mentioned earlier, only cautious reactions have come out.
34:32I think it's a shame that the part that wanted to make an impact on the Russian side was not given in many cases.
34:40Also, if you look at all of the content,
34:44I think that there was almost no content that could be accepted as a support country right away.
34:52How about you, Mr. Hasegawa?
34:54Well, as Mr. Hasegawa said,
34:57if you think about the possibility of realization,
35:01I think it's content that even NATO countries can't accept right away.
35:06However, especially in terms of the use restriction of the second long-range weapon,
35:11when the US presidential election is over,
35:15and a new president is born,
35:17and a new package of support for Ukraine must be issued,
35:22I think it's a policy that I want the United States to issue first.
35:30So, there are a lot of things like that,
35:36but I think that the second long-range weapon is a particularly urgent issue for Ukraine.
35:44As for the second long-range weapon,
35:47I think that in reality, it's not the Biden administration,
35:50but the next president.
35:54That's where the candidate's statement comes in.
35:57It's a recent statement by Trump and Harris on Ukraine.
36:01Trump said on the 17th that it was a losing battle that should not have started the war.
36:06And Harris said on the 7th that Ukraine must have a right to speak on the future of its own country.
36:11He said that without Ukraine, there would be no nuclear negotiations with Russia.
36:16Mr. Kotani, as we just saw,
36:18the long-range weapon, the nuclear attack on Russia,
36:22Biden has been cautiously stopping it for a long time to make it recognized,
36:27but I wonder if it will move when it becomes a new president.
36:31What should we look at, including this?
36:34As for the long-range attack,
36:37I think it is highly likely that Trump or Harris will recognize it.
36:42Really?
36:43Yes, I think it will be recognized no matter who wins.
36:46But as long as Mr. Biden is there, I think this is probably impossible.
36:50It should be better to make a quick decision,
36:53but why between Mr. Biden?
36:55Mr. Biden knows that he is the most pooch.
36:59He has that self-esteem.
37:01He was attacked in Kursk.
37:03In addition, American weapons are used there.
37:06In addition, if it becomes a long-range attack,
37:09Mr. Biden's idea is that we have no choice but to write the next one.
37:12At the moment, no one can argue against this.
37:18However, Mr. Biden is probably the only one who thinks so,
37:22so I think it will go in the direction that long-range attacks will be recognized
37:25if the Biden administration is over.
37:27That is an important and important point.
37:29Mr. Harris also thinks differently from Mr. Biden in the same Democratic Party.
37:34This is more of Mr. Biden's own idea.
37:37I think it would be better for other people in the Democratic Party to recognize long-range attacks.
37:42And Mr. Trump says that if he becomes president,
37:45he will solve this issue as soon as possible.
37:49Even so, when it comes to this long-range range,
37:52do you think he will admit it once?
37:55There is a possibility that he will admit it.
37:58It's hard to think that he won't admit it.
38:01He will probably admit it.
38:03The idea of Mr. Trump is that Ukraine will create a good environment on the battlefield and enter it.
38:12Yes.
38:13After the commercial break, let's think about the aim of this week's BRICS General Assembly.
38:22Here is the third theme.
38:24It is the antithesis of the BRICS U.S.
38:28The BRICS General Assembly, which was held on the 22nd to the 24th of this week,
38:33was held in Kazan, western Russia.
38:36It was the first General Assembly since BRICS expanded to nine countries,
38:39with 36 countries participating as a whole.
38:43Here is the main point of the Kazan Declaration issued there.
38:47It is the creation of a partner state system that expresses concerns about unilateral measures
38:51in consideration of sanctions against Russia,
38:54as well as the United States.
38:58What is the focus of the BRICS General Assembly, Ms. Higashino?
39:01This is a large-scale meeting held in Russia.
39:05The purpose is to show that Russia is not unilateral,
39:08and that it has succeeded.
39:11However, if the main purpose is to show that Russia is not unilateral,
39:17I think it has set a very low goal.
39:21If you look at the contents, you can see that there is not much in common.
39:26Anyway, when this was held in Russia, a lot of people came,
39:30including Higashino,
39:33and various foreign events were held.
39:38I think it was a very insignificant event.
39:43However, I would like to pay attention to how the BRICS is viewed now.
39:49I think that Russia wanted to show that there are countries
39:54that agree with the axis of China and Russia's war goals.
39:59I think that such a view has been permeated to a certain extent.
40:04However, if you look at the contents,
40:07there are many countries that do not want to be seen as supporting invasion.
40:13In particular, India and other countries have said that.
40:18I think we should be careful that these are not just countries that have a unilateral attitude.
40:24The BRICS is now expanding.
40:29Originally, there were five BRICS countries.
40:33In January of this year, four countries, including Iran, were established.
40:39In addition, there are candidates for partner countries.
40:43For example, Saudi Arabia and North Korea.
40:46I think there are some places where they are disagreeing with each other.
40:50Certainly, I don't say that it is a new America,
40:53but there are countries that are getting along well with the West.
40:57On the contrary, Mr. Hasegawa,
41:00is there a place where it is difficult to get together
41:03if there are countries with various ideological relations and ideologies?
41:07That's right.
41:10There are places where it is difficult to get together.
41:14However, the BRICS continues to expand,
41:17and there are many countries that develop neutral foreign policy,
41:22rather than anti-American policy.
41:25President Putin's intention, as you pointed out earlier,
41:29is to make it a means to support the war in Ukraine.
41:33I don't think it can be achieved.
41:39On the other hand, I think that the BRICS is a region
41:43with a very special feeling and interest.
41:47I think it is an international mechanism.
41:51In the 2000s, when Russia achieved high-level economic growth,
41:55a new country called BRICS was created.
41:59In that sense, President Putin re-established Russia.
42:04In that sense, President Putin re-established Russia.
42:08He has placed Russia as a legacy of the past,
42:11so there is a special feeling.
42:14This time, it is not only about the war,
42:17but also about the international settlement system
42:20that Russia is very troubled by the economic system.
42:23It seems that he is focusing on finding a way out
42:26through the BRICS.
42:29Looking at the agreement earlier,
42:32he expressed concerns over one-sided measures
42:36such as sanctioning Russia.
42:39Iran has a BRICS, too.
42:42I'm not sure if he's expressing concerns
42:45about Iran's sanctions, or if India is also involved.
42:48I think it's very clear.
42:51Yes, that's right.
42:56But I think that in India and other countries,
43:00In the case of BRICS, there is a possibility that it will say something different in the case of other international countries.
43:06Mr. Kotani, where are you paying attention to?
43:09Well, BRICS had a subtle relationship between the original five countries,
43:17but as the number of member states increases,
43:19I feel that the character of the framework of the West versus the United States is fading.
43:29If you look at the current partnership countries,
43:31Turkey, which is a member state of NATO, is included,
43:34and Thailand, which is a member state of the United States, is included.
43:38So I think that the character of Thailand versus the United States itself is fading.
43:45On the other hand, two Muslim countries, Malaysia and Indonesia,
43:50have joined the partnership countries this time.
43:54The current Gaza issue is clearly mentioned,
43:59and I feel that there is a possibility that BRICS will be used in the future as a framework for the confrontation with Israel.
44:10Mr. Higashino, the American double standard theory,
44:16that is, to recognize the self-determination of the Middle East and Israel so far,
44:22but more than that, there are various contradictions in the posture of supporting them while doing such inhuman things,
44:30and as a result, they have created such a gathering, even if it is loose.
44:35Isn't there such a aspect?
44:36I think there is.
44:38Of course, it is possible to wrap it up by saying that it is anti-American,
44:45but I think that it is also important to say that it has not reached the point of creating a practical policy or framework beyond anti-American.
44:58On the contrary, there are countries that oppose it.
45:01I think there is a reaction.
45:03I think there is definitely an alliance or cooperation relationship that can attract a reaction,
45:08but I think we have to look at what it brings specifically so that we do not overestimate it.
45:15And one more thing I'm curious about is the melting of China and India.
45:19Yes, it's been about five years since China and India held a summit.
45:24During this period, the two countries, where more than 20 dead bodies were found in the border area,
45:29were in a state of melting mood.
45:33On the 25th, the two countries agreed that a special delegation should hold a meeting to find a solution to the border issue.
45:39And Xi Jinping said,
45:41It is important to strengthen cooperation with China, to deal with confrontation, and to realize the dream of mutual development.
45:48The Indian Prime Minister Modi said it was important not to disturb peace and harmony.
45:54On the 25th, the two countries began to withdraw from the border area, according to local media.
46:02Mr. Kotani, regarding India, I think there was also a aspect of inviting India to the Quad
46:10in a way that made good use of the conflict between China and India.
46:15What should we look at in this situation?
46:17I think this is probably a combination of economic interests.
46:21China's economy has been declining since last year,
46:25but even in India, after winning the Modi administration election,
46:29there seems to be pressure from the business world to improve relations with China.
46:35I think it's a move that has received it.
46:38I don't think they trusted each other,
46:42but I think it's a move to put economic interests in order.
46:50Even as India, you can't change your back.
46:53As the Modi administration, we have to maintain the administration.
46:57I think it's an answer to the demand from the industry.
47:01Yes.
47:02Next is market information.
47:13The guest of tomorrow's Nikkei Sunday Salon is Yuuki Murohashi,
47:17chairman of the Japan Youth Council.
47:19I would like to ask him why the young people's voting rate is so low and what he wants from the current politics.
47:24Please take a look.
47:25Next is market information.
47:55Next is market information.
48:26Next is market information.
48:38Let's take a look at next week's schedule.
48:41Mr. Higashino, on Monday, Korea will go to NATO to explain North Korea.
48:48What do you think about this?
48:50Yes. Korea has been supporting North Korea through Poland in order to resolve the shortage of ammunition in Europe.
48:58However, the interest in this invasion itself has not always been great.
49:03In the past week, Korea's attitude has changed a lot.
49:08Now that North Korea is involved, Korea also has to look at this war firmly.
49:14I also feel a lot of interest in Korea.
49:19Therefore, I think it is very likely that the competition between Korea and NATO,
49:24as well as Japan-NATO, will be sought from the Korean side.
49:31Mr. Ishiba seems to have sealed the Asia version of NATO,
49:36but I wonder if the Korean side is becoming more conscious.
49:39It's not a vague idea like the Asia version of NATO,
49:42but it's more like, let's do this today and tomorrow.
49:45I think that kind of cooperation will increase a lot from the Korean side.
49:50I'm a little worried about that.
49:52Also, there is an interest in employment statistics and the market,
49:56and in front of you is the middle east situation.
49:59Yes, that's right.
50:01That's all for today. Thank you everyone.