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00:00This is the Gregg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick Cavins.

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00:28We will eventually get to the Arizona Cardinals game, but it's now Wednesday as we record

00:34this and we both feel, Gregg and I both feel like not many people want to dig too deep

00:40into that game that we saw on Sunday.

00:42The bigger news of course this week and what people are talking about is Gerard Mayo, his

00:47future Mike Vrabel.

00:49So we're going to start there.

00:50Gregg, let me actually begin with Dietrich Weiss who met with the media earlier today.

00:57And I'm just going to give you a 20 second rant.

01:01Weiss protected Mayo like he should, as any player should in the locker room asked about

01:06Mayo's future, but he brought up Dan Campbell.

01:09And I got to tell you, if I took a shot, every time Dan Campbell's name was brought up to

01:13justify a second Mayo season, I would have died weeks ago, Gregg.

01:17I would be a dead man buried in the ground.

01:21Everybody keeps going to Dan Campbell.

01:23I'll say it one more time and then get your thoughts.

01:25Yes, Gerard Mayo could be the next Dan Campbell.

01:28He could be the next Bill Belichick who started off terribly here.

01:32He could be the next, this coach or that.

01:34He could also become the next head coach that was never ready for the job, never good for

01:40the job and ends up failing at the job.

01:43I'm so sick and tired.

01:45Again, I leave the door open for Mayo to eventually somehow some way become good, but I'm so damn

01:51sick and tired of Dan Campbell's name being brought up every 10 seconds in New England.

01:57I completely agree with you.

02:01Seems like it's kind of the party line because we were hearing this, you know, not only from

02:05players.

02:06We've heard it from Mayo.

02:07I think we've heard it from some reporting, whether it's just Sina Anderson or others

02:12like they're always bringing up Dan Campbell and, and that's fine.

02:16And Gerard may be that, but, um, before you can talk about being Dan Campbell, um, well,

02:25let's start here.

02:26Um, Dan Campbell was a guy who, uh, was, I want to say six years as a tight ends coach

02:33with the Dolphins.

02:35Okay.

02:36Um, he, he got to be the interim head coach.

02:39Um, I think it was after Sperano got fired.

02:43Um, you know, didn't go, go well, but he got, he got a taste of it.

02:48He got experience in the head job.

02:50Then he went to the new Orleans saints and was the assistant head coach and tight ends

02:55coach under Sean Payton.

02:57Yep.

02:58Um, he did that for, I think five years.

03:01Okay.

03:02So we're talking double the experience that, that Gerard Mayo had before he got this job.

03:09I mean, Campbell was an assistant, let's call it, you know, 10, 11 years, something

03:12like that.

03:13He had also been an NFL head coach had sat in that job, went through it, got to see what

03:21he did.

03:22Right.

03:23Got to see what he did wrong.

03:24I'm going to be better.

03:25The next time I get that opportunity.

03:26Um, so that's number one.

03:28Number two, Dan Campbell, as we've pointed out many times at the end of his first season

03:33with the lions and that, that team was crap back.

03:37I mean, that was a bad football team, a untalented, I think it was only a few years prior when

03:44they went, Oh, in 16, when Rod Marinelli was there, um, you know, he, they, they were terrible.

03:52They went three and three down the stretch.

03:54They showed something down the stretch.

03:57Um, as soon as Gerard Mayo accomplishes that, which is why we talked about the final four

04:03games.

04:04I mean, we would have talked about more, but they were losing games, but okay, now you

04:06get the bi-week, you come back for the final four games.

04:10You got some tough match-ups.

04:11Um, all right, go, go show that you're making progress.

04:16And the problem is, is there is no progress.

04:18So in terms of experience and also, uh, the actuality of his first year installing his

04:24quote unquote program, uh, Gerard Mayo doesn't come close to adding, uh, to, to measuring

04:30up to Dan Campbell.

04:32So quite frankly, uh, people should shut up and stop comparing Gerard Mayo to Dan Campbell

04:38because, uh, that's just another fail for Gerard Mayo and, and, you know, just overall,

04:45I just want to say, and I said this on, on Felger and Maz, as far as Gerard Mayo and

04:50his, uh, his future, um, you know, whether he should be retained or not, um, you know,

04:57I don't think it was a very high bar this season for Gerard Mayo.

05:01I don't think anybody was really, I think I predicted six wins.

05:05I don't know where you were on that.

05:06I don't think it was much more than that.

05:08It was probably, I was at five.

05:10Okay.

05:11You were at five.

05:12Um, you know, which would have been, both of them would have been some improvement from

05:17last year.

05:18And I'm not even talking, you know, wins and losses.

05:20I don't really care about that.

05:21Um, but you know, really what you, what you wanted to see was at some point at this, in

05:27the second half of the season, you wanted to see him get some traction.

05:32The team start going in the right direction.

05:34Okay.

05:35That hasn't happened.

05:36And then you fall back to, all right, there are three areas that were really in Gerard

05:40Mayo's wheelhouse.

05:41When he came into this whole thing, number one was defense team, captain little bill,

05:48one of the smartest football players I've ever been around, um, helped run the defense

05:52the previous five years for the Patriots.

05:56That hasn't happened.

05:57The, the, the defense, it would have been fine if they just took a step back from like,

06:02you know, ninth and DVO way to 15, 16, somewhere in the teens because of the injuries and all

06:08that, we would have been like, okay, I understand to go to, I think they're 30th now, 31st,

06:15whatever.

06:16Um, just an Epic fail.

06:17Um, you figured with his experience in media at Optum, uh, leading a room, which we've

06:25heard he's good at that.

06:27He would, he would probably Excel at the media part of the job, which, which, you know, is,

06:33is somewhat important, especially when you're, uh, establishing something and you know, following

06:39bill Belichick, which in, in, in terms of podium, podium performance is not that difficult

06:45to do.

06:46Um, he keeps stepping in it, including on Sunday, which was probably his worst moment

06:50of the season.

06:51The, you said it, I didn't.

06:54And, uh, the other thing was team culture.

06:57Uh, you know, we heard about him changing the culture here.

07:02Um, it was going to be better for the team.

07:04It was going to be better for the players.

07:06Um, you know, it kind of went through a low there, but now we got case on booty talking

07:11after the game, calling out the offensive coordinator, Drake may a little bit fought,

07:16probably fought.

07:17Everyone's falling in the lead of the head coach who threw his offensive coordinator

07:20under the bus.

07:22You know, look, like I said, it wasn't a high bar for Gerard Mayo to be where everybody

07:27would back off and say like, all right, um, I can see where this is going at this point

07:33in the season, where they are.

07:35Um, it's, it's difficult to make that argument that you could say, okay, I see this is, this

07:41is going someplace and it's going someplace positive.

07:45Whenever somebody brings up Dan Campbell's name, I got a new game that I'm going to play.

07:49I'm just going to yell Nathaniel Hackett for no reason.

07:52You know, because Nathaniel Hackett was an offensive coordinator for nine years in the

07:57NFL, got a chance to run the Denver program and was fired after 15 games as the Denver

08:03head coach, because he was so bad.

08:05And by the way, he had four wins with Denver when he was fired.

08:09So I think that's, that's going to be my fun little retort to whoever just says, oh, well,

08:14Dan Campbell.

08:15Okay, great.

08:16Yes.

08:16He could be Dan Campbell.

08:17He also could be Nathaniel Hackett and be a complete failure at the job.

08:22The culture thing, I find it also be Hugh Jackson.

08:25There's a whole list of them.

08:26He goes, there's literally hundreds of coaches that have failed.

08:31Um, so, you know, I, I'm just, I'm tired of that example being thrown

08:36out there every time on my face.

08:37Uh, the culture stuff is interesting going off of what you just said, because.

08:42You know, all of a sudden Gerard in the last month or so, and I think this will

08:46lead into my next question with what Dietrich wise said at the podium today.

08:51Both Mayo and Wolf hammered culture, right?

08:55We're not going to be as hard ass.

08:58It's about culture.

08:59It's about connecting.

09:00It's about building something.

09:02It's about putting the North star in the facility or whatever they did.

09:05Robin Glazer was busy finding artists to paint stuff, whatever was going on.

09:09It was, we're going to change the culture.

09:11And then all of a sudden about a month ago, I think maybe it was earlier, maybe

09:18it was a week or two later, but all of a sudden Gerard changed all of a sudden.

09:23Gerard started to tell us that reset the culture in year one.

09:28I never thought you could reset a culture in year one.

09:33That's that's part of this is like, you're going to sit there and you're going to tell

09:40us what you're going to do and how you're going to improve things.

09:43And then we see no evidence of it.

09:45And not only do we see no evidence of it, but then you start to

09:47back away from your own claims.

09:50Like that, that is so ridiculous.

09:53You can't sell us on culture for the first six months of your job as the head coach.

09:59And then all of a sudden, in the middle of a miserable season go, Oh, well, you

10:03know, I reset the culture in year one who, who resets a culture in year one.

10:07Who I didn't think that was pot.

10:09Then you shouldn't have sold it in the first place, Gerard, you shouldn't have

10:12sold that idea if it was impossible to do, which leads me to, you know, who did

10:17Dan Campbell, but anyways, Dan Campbell, um, leads me to wise, another comment.

10:23He said, he said that Gerard's leadership is one of the best that he has seen.

10:29I want to ask you, and maybe you haven't heard anything, but have you heard

10:32anything about Gerard's leadership in the building, leading the guys?

10:36Has anything come out to you?

10:38Have you talked to any sources as has anybody come up to you on the side and

10:42said, you know what, yeah, we're miserable right now on the field, but he, he has

10:46been a good leader of men in that locker room.

10:48Have you heard anything regarding, regarding the, the leadership quotient?

10:52Uh, I have not.

10:54And, uh, all I can do is what I see with the product, you know, on the field and

10:58you look for things like, you know, accountability and improvement and error

11:03corrections and things like that.

11:04And that hasn't gone on.

11:06So that that's all I can go off of.

11:10Drake may was at the podium.

11:12He said the players are backing Mayo again, pretty expected from the, from

11:16the starting quarterback, right?

11:18But I wanted to ask you how much could that actually impact the crafts?

11:22If you're Robert, you're Jonathan, you see the product on the

11:25field and it's miserable.

11:26There's not really any improvement that we can pick out from

11:30beginning to this point so far.

11:33How much does that weigh in if you're craft and you say, yeah, it was rough,

11:38but man, the players are backing them.

11:41The players believe in him.

11:42And if we get rid of him after one year, that could really screw up

11:47that locker room more than we think.

11:50Well, the latter part, I don't subscribe to, um, you know, obviously

11:57it would depend who they brought in.

11:58But, um, look, everybody in that locker room, well, maybe not the younger

12:03guys, but everybody in that locker room knows this is professional football.

12:08It is a performance based business.

12:10And if somebody doesn't do their job, they're gone players and coaches alike.

12:15And so if Gerard Mayo was gone, I don't think there's any ramifications.

12:20Obviously it matters, you know, who they replace them with.

12:23Uh, but you know, I'll, I'll just say this.

12:27I, um, I'm not going to totally, I'm not going to totally discount

12:32what the players are saying.

12:34Um, me, myself as a natural born cynic and, uh, my cynicism has been, uh, well

12:41honed, uh, over 25 years in this business.

12:45Um, you know, me personally, I, I, I toss it out the window.

12:50I mean, what are these guys going to say?

12:51I mean, there's three games left in the season.

12:53Nobody's, nobody's going to go up there and say, yeah, our coach is terrible.

12:59Especially a guy like Dietrich wise, who is, um, I don't think he ever played

13:04with Gerard, but certainly has played for Gerard, um, you know, as an, when

13:09he was an assistant coach and Drake may is, you know, Drake may, I mean, he's,

13:13he doesn't know what he doesn't know at this point in time, but do I think it.

13:18It could impact the crafts.

13:21Um, I, I'm not gonna, I'm not going to toss that out.

13:25I'm not going to ignore that.

13:26I mean, it's possible, especially with Robert, we know how sentimentally is,

13:30and, you know, he's probably looking for, uh, any reason to, um, to retain Mayo.

13:37And, um, but the other thing I did want to say about this is, um, you know, the

13:44truth of the matter is like, we could see the on-field products and all this stuff.

13:48The truth of the matter is we have no idea what's going on inside that

13:51building in terms of, um, you know, who's exactly doing what, you know, like

13:56you asked about, you know, Mayo's leadership, um, we don't know what

14:00kind of fires he is or isn't, um, you know, putting out inside the

14:06locker room or inside the building.

14:07Um, so, you know, these guys are entitled to their opinions.

14:11Me personally, they don't matter much to me, but, um, I'm not going to

14:15discount that it couldn't, uh, influence ownership in some way.

14:20A couple of comments from, uh, wide receivers that I want to mention

14:24here happening right now on the scene.

14:26Before we get to, uh, Mayo and more Mayo and Rabel, uh, first

14:33let's start with Keishon booty.

14:37I think the, I think the Patriots lead the league in apologies.

14:40Um, booty said that he later apologized to Alex van Pelt for what he said in

14:46the, uh, in the locker room post Cardinals game, when he, uh, was, was

14:51telling Alex van Pelt that they should run, uh, different offense against

14:57man coverage, but he said, uh, quote, I'm sorry for the way the message

15:00came across, I went about it the wrong way.

15:04He also said nobody likes losing obviously.

15:06So I think it was just frustration lingering from the game.

15:09I thought I was wrong for what I said.

15:11It wasn't the right way to handle it.

15:13So at least he has apologized publicly and apologized to van Pelt.

15:19Uh, but what did you make of, of booties post game comments?

15:24Oh, I thought they were ridiculous.

15:26And, um, you know, it's just, it's just, I mean, just throwing a little

15:32log on the fire for the season.

15:34That's been a raging inferno.

15:36I mean, um, you know, why that case on booty feels empowered to give his

15:42opinion on anything, um, is utterly ridiculous.

15:47And to me, it's symbolic of, uh, the Mayo era at this point.

15:52Um, this is not the first time he's done it.

15:54And again, we're talking about, um, you know, coaches, uh, making

16:00people accountable, correcting errors.

16:03They can't even correct, um, some, you know, fifth string wide

16:07receiver mouth and off after the game.

16:09I mean, you know, and we're expecting them to, to solve, uh,

16:13great football issues on the field.

16:15Um, yeah, it's just, to me, it's, uh, it's ridiculous.

16:20The case on booty who, uh, the same case on booty has 27 catches for

16:24349 yards and a touchdown this year.

16:26Uh, I wanted, I wanted booty's opinion in the post game.

16:29I wanted his opinion about dropping the football leading to an interception.

16:33That that's the only opinion I wanted from Keisha booty, another wide

16:36receiver note here in a serious one.

16:39Uh, Jayvon Baker popped up with a concussion on the injury report last week.

16:44Obviously did not play.

16:46People were wondering what the hell was going on because this was during a

16:49bi-week and Mayo would not say anything.

16:52Well, Baker did talk to the media today.

16:55He said he suffered his concussion last week in a bad car accident.

16:59And that he feels blessed to have only walked out of it with a concussion.

17:03He's now feeling good.

17:05So that's, I don't really need an opinion from Greg on that.

17:08I just wanted to share with the people what's going on with Jayvon Baker

17:11apparently got into a car accident.

17:13And, uh, that's what caused the concussion says that he feels better.

17:17Now we'll see if it matters because the guy has not been able to get on the

17:21field much as a wide receiver this season.

17:23All right.

17:23Before we get to a more Mayo and I want to get to Mike Vrabel, Greg,

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19:16Yes.

19:17New year's day.

19:18Uh, what better way to get over your hangover than to hang out with Greg and I

19:21will be, uh, we'll be on 98 five together from, uh, 11 to two, not

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19:44Uh, all right, let's get back to Mayo.

19:46Uh, so he's at the podium today, Greg, he deflected questions about the

19:50guaranteeing him a second season.

19:53Uh, he already was all over him.

19:55Yeah.

19:56I know you've said, uh, I know you've said that it's, it's most likely he comes

20:00back, but have you heard anything about a guarantee from the crafts?

20:04No.

20:05Um, you know, certainly they collectively, and I'm not sure exactly which one have

20:15been telling, you know, some people that, and, um, certainly they're getting that

20:19they have gotten that word out, um, through their, uh, let's see, uh, people

20:27in the media.

20:28Um, but I have not heard anything about them telling Mayo.

20:34I mean, they've been supportive of them and, you know, I don't think they've

20:38ever told them anything that like, you know, puts them in the crosshairs or what

20:43Um, but I think, um, the crafts are really good at it and I respect them greatly for

20:51this.

20:52Um, you know, they always give it the full 17 games.

20:55I mean, well, not in the case of Belichick's final season.

20:59Um, but you know, the writing was kind of on the wall at that point.

21:03Uh, but you know, they, they do a good job of doing the whole 17 games.

21:07Then they'll have a post-season meeting where they ask a bunch of questions.

21:10And, uh, depending on how those questions get answered, uh, they'll make their

21:15decisions.

21:16Do you think the Cardinals game moved the needle at all for the crafts?

21:22Uh, well, let me put it this way.

21:25Um, if it didn't, they're not doing their job as owners.

21:29Um, and somebody needs to tell them that.

21:32I mean, because how could you not, you come back from the, by the team was

21:37absolutely abysmal in, on offense and defense.

21:41It was horrible on offense, the defense, it was the same crap that we've been

21:46seeing all season.

21:48And then, you know, Gerard Mayo says what he says, you said it, I didn't, it was

21:52complete, it was a completely unprofessional comment from a head coach after a game.

21:59Uh, and it wasn't the first time this kind of thing has gone on this season.

22:03Again, we've been talking about just show me improvement.

22:06Show me that you're learning on the job.

22:08Show me that you're, you know, what everybody loves to see, say, grow into the

22:12job, show me you're growing into the job.

22:14And, um, in, in, in no phase of a head coach's job has Gerard Mayo to me

22:21illustrated that he is growing into this job now that we have three games left in

22:26the season.

22:27And, um, uh, I, again, you know, I reported what I reported that it wasn't

22:35that, that Gerard wasn't a hundred percent back.

22:38I think I put it at like, you know, 90% at the time, you know, going

22:42into the final four games.

22:43Um, I think that that knocked a leg out, uh, on his case for coming back for next

22:49season.

22:50And I think the crafts, uh, are paying attention and have been paying attention

22:54all year.

22:55What moves the needle more if you're Robert Kraft, if you're making this

22:59decision, is it the game on Sunday against the Cardinals or was it the post game?

23:05That's a great question.

23:09I try, uh, I mean, I, I can only, I don't know what Robert thinks.

23:16I mean, you know, uh, I'd like to see Jonathan crafts notes, uh, on the game.

23:20We might be able to get a, uh, a glimpse of that, but, um, I can just tell you

23:26for, for me, it was the on-field product.

23:29I mean, you know, by week extra practice, padded practice, get some rest.

23:35Here we go.

23:35Cardinals Cardinals stink by the way.

23:38And they fall down 23 to three.

23:42Um, to me, that's it, that, that shows me a team that's not

23:46responding, uh, to the head coach.

23:48And then the, uh, unprofessional embarrassing post game performance

23:53was the cherry on top.

23:55If, and it's an F we know the, we know the schedule.

23:59If the next three weeks look like that.

24:05Do you think this thing gets blown up?

24:09I still think it's more even if, all right, let's just say it's, it's

24:14like Sunday against the Cardinals.

24:16I'm not really competitive on either side of the ball for

24:19large stretches of a game.

24:21Uh, the head coach, um, does not show well, um, either in game

24:27management or, and, or in the post game, I would still say it's more

24:32probable than not that may overturns for a second season, but it's.

24:38It's going to be pretty close.

24:41All right.

24:42We got to get to Mike Rabel, but before we do, we got to

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26:00What time is it?

26:01Game time,

26:03Mike Rabel.

26:05Let's get to him.

26:06Let's talk about Mike.

26:07Uh, so Tom Curran, Tom E Curran was on early edition last night, Greg.

26:13And he mentioned, which I tweeted at Nick C radio.

26:16If you want to follow me, Vrabel is interested in coaching the Patriots.

26:20Okay.

26:21I don't talk to you about these things until we go into this podcast.

26:27Have you heard anything similar?

26:29To what Tommy Curran has heard about Mike Vrabel?

26:33Uh, I have and yes, he, he would have an interest in

26:40coaching the new England Patriots.

26:44And I think there's a pretty good chance that, uh, Josh

26:49McDaniels would come with him.

26:52Um, that's my understanding.

26:54That's what I'm hearing.

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27:04All right.

27:05The million dollar question, Greg, if you are a Robert Kraft and you know,

27:12the back channeling that you could have Mike Vrabel and Josh McDaniels,

27:18would you pull that trigger?

27:21Uh, a thousand percent.

27:22Um, look, and it's nothing against Gerard.

27:25I think that, um, I, I don't disagree with the crafts in terms of, I think

27:31Gerard Mayo is, um, is a talented, uh, coach, um, leader, I think given time,

27:41I think he'll, at some point he will be an excellent NFL head coach.

27:46He's just, he's just not ready for this.

27:48And, you know, to me, the calculus that you have to do with the crafts is, I

27:54mean, you, I mean, they're smart business people.

27:56Um, you got to put a percentage on, on it, you know, given what the Patriots

28:02have at this point with Drake may a ton of calf space, a top three pick, um,

28:07a new football facility, uh, being built.

28:12What are the percentages that the Patriots, and it's not just Gerard,

28:17we're talking about Elliot Wolf, somebody who I have a lot of respect

28:20for, who I do think was qualified for his job.

28:23Um, just didn't execute it.

28:25Great.

28:25Um, this year, um, to say the least, uh, you, you have to, uh, number one,

28:34you can't worry about cost, anything like that.

28:36The simple question is put a percentage on it.

28:41You've seen Gerard Mayo from soup to nuts, from a player to now you've, you

28:45know, you know, what's going on behind the scenes with this team.

28:49What's the percentage that Gerard Mayo can in time, take this team to a

28:56Superbowl, uh, if not win a championship, what are the chances that Mike

29:01Rabel with Josh McDaniels can do the same thing to me, it's clear.

29:07And, um, you have to put personal feelings aside.

29:11You have to do what's best if you're really, truly care.

29:14And how many times we heard Robert Kraft talk about this, how he's a fan

29:18first and all this stuff, and, you know, it's the next to his family.

29:23It's the most important thing in his life.

29:24And the, you know, the football team is like a family to him.

29:28Um, you know, unless you're just full of crap, uh, you have to do what's

29:34best in the interest of the franchise.

29:37And I don't think, I don't know if there's anybody out there who could

29:41say that, uh, Gerard Mayo gives this team a better chance of winning a

29:46Superbowl than Mike Rabel and Josh McDaniels and you know, whoever else,

29:52maybe it's Brian day ball as his offensive coordinator, don't go, don't

29:55go too strong on the McDaniel stuff.

29:56I mean, I, that's, that's, uh, it's in the ether.

30:00It's being talked about in NFL circles, but I don't know that for a fact, but.

30:04Uh, I don't, I mean, I don't know how you feel about it, Nick, but to me, I don't

30:10think there's any decision to be made.

30:12If you have an opportunity to do that, you passed on them.

30:15And here's the other thing.

30:17I know there's a lot of, there's a lot out there about

30:20Vrabel and the bears and McDaniels and Vrabel, you know, going to the bears.

30:25All right.

30:26You know, okay.

30:27Maybe, I don't know.

30:28Does he really love that set up with the team president and the GM?

30:31They're not going anywhere.

30:33You got Caleb Williams, blah, blah, blah.

30:36Uh, you know, what if, what if they end up with the jets and you're facing them

30:42twice a year and they have a complete rebuild that they're doing?

30:45Um, I think all of that has to come into consideration, but to me, I, I, I don't

30:50know how anybody can make the argument that Gerard Mayo and everything that's

30:55around him right now, and even fixing it, bringing in, you know, different

30:59pieces around him or whatever is gives the Patriots a better shot at getting

31:04back to a Superbowl contender status than Mike Vrabel and a Josh McDaniels.

31:10Mike Vrabel was the one guy that I would have hired

31:12before Gerard Mayo last year.

31:14I said it at the time in real time.

31:16Uh, and there's nothing that's happened over the last nine to 10 months

31:20that would move me away from that idea.

31:22I would still take Vrabel over Mayo.

31:24Couple follow-up questions.

31:28The jets, they have interviewed Thomas Dimitroff and John

31:33Robinson for the GM job.

31:35Of course, Robinson worked with Vrabel.

31:37I, I don't know how that relationship is.

31:40Reportedly Vrabel was not happy when Robinson decided to trade AJ Brown.

31:44Um, so I don't know what that means, but as far as here, Greg, let's just

31:50hypothetically go down that road.

31:52Vrabel is hired as the head coach, whoever his OC is, whether it's

31:55McDaniels or it's day ball or Tommy Reese has been thrown out there.

31:59Boy, Tommy Reese's agents have been working pretty hard to shout out to them.

32:03All the time, but, uh, what does that mean for Elliot Wolf?

32:10Does, does, does Vrabel come in and say, I'll work with Wolf or

32:13does Vrabel come in and go, eh, this, this whole thing, because now you're

32:18putting the power in Vrabel's hands.

32:20And, and that's a question, isn't it?

32:23Yeah.

32:23Um, yes.

32:26Um, you know, it's an interesting question.

32:29I'll say, I think that, um, and this is where I was when, you know,

32:34they were letting go of bill.

32:36Um, you know, they have to make a decision on, do they want, do

32:42you want a strong head coach?

32:44You know, like, uh, you know, say like Kyle Shanahan, uh, model,

32:47or do you want a strong GM?

32:50And it's one way or the other.

32:51Um, I don't know how anybody can make the argument that Elliot Wolf should,

32:56should be the, a strong GM types.

32:58Cause you, you, you need alignment in the, in the building.

33:02Yeah.

33:02Um, that's the bottom line.

33:04You have to, you can't this piecemeal stuff.

33:06Like, all right, we're firing the coach, but Elliot Wolf is going to stay.

33:10We're going to bring in Mike Vrabel.

33:12I mean, this is like, this is what the jets do.

33:14I mean, it's just, it's just terrible.

33:17Um, they also, uh, one thing I also wanted to mention, Nick, and

33:20I forgot to put in a rundown.

33:22Uh, I don't know if you heard this, but, um, I was listening to

33:25Curran and I think he was on early edition or whatever, and he, he floated

33:31out, he thought it would be a good idea to have a, like football czar,

33:35like Bill Parcells in Miami.

33:38Uh, yeah.

33:39And Tom, Tom mentioned, uh, Tom mentioned Poli as a possibility.

33:43I will say though, Tom mentioned Poli, um, when Trini asked him for a name.

33:50So he, and he had just interviewed Poli and he admitted that, that, you

33:53know, Poli was top of mind because he just interviewed him for his podcast.

33:57And I think it was, who's the lawyer.

33:58Is it, is it Mike McCann or whatever his name is?

34:01Mike McCann.

34:01Yeah.

34:02Yeah.

34:02So that's the person who initially brought up the idea of Tom.

34:05And I think Tom's kind of working that idea on live TV.

34:09So I don't know if, I don't know if he works.

34:12Yeah.

34:12I don't know if three days from now, Tom will be behind that, but just

34:16the general idea of somebody above wolf, like Poli to vet everybody in the

34:21organization.

34:23Yeah.

34:23And I, I think me personally, I think that's a terrible idea.

34:26I mean, all the examples that I can think of, um, Bill Parcells in Miami,

34:32like you get a bump, okay.

34:33But at some point in time, it, it doesn't work.

34:37Bill Parcells in Miami, uh, with Tony Sperano and what have you, um, Tom

34:43Coughlin in Jacksonville worked for a time.

34:47It devolved, uh, Mike Holmgren in Cleveland didn't work about the only

34:53one that I can think of, and I'm not exactly sure of the timeline on when

34:57people were hired and things like that would be Chris Spielman in Detroit.

35:01Um, with Campbell and Brad Holmes, I'm not exactly sure who hired who or

35:07whatnot, but you can make the argument that that has worked a little bit.

35:11I mean, I think that, I don't know if Dan Morgan is considered that in

35:15Carolina or he's just the general manager, but whatever, um, I do not want to do that.

35:20Um, you know, I think, you know, when it comes down to it, say the

35:24Patriots do move on for Gerard Mayo.

35:26First of all, they're going to have to go through all the interviews anyways.

35:30Um, but part of those interviews, you know, with, I mean, especially if, um,

35:35you know, in, in, I think it would be great for the Patriots of Rabel McDaniel's

35:40tandem, um, you know, these guys have been around it.

35:44They've been head coaches before they know what works, what doesn't work.

35:47They've been in this building.

35:49Um, you get their thoughts on it, you know, let them, you know, what do they

35:55think and, um, you sort of go from there.

36:00The Chicago stuff, by the way, with Rabel, uh, my theory is that

36:04Vrabel saw what happened on Sunday with the Patriots.

36:07And, uh, I, I just don't think it's a coincidence because I don't

36:12think Chicago would be leaking that.

36:15I don't think it's a coincidence that right on the heels of what happened on

36:19Sunday, a report comes out and says, Hey, Vrabel and McDaniel's might

36:23be near the top of the list.

36:24I'm not doubting Bert Breer's information.

36:26I think somebody told Bert that, but I think the reason they told Bert that was

36:30to put the craft's feet to the fire, because if you want to pull at the

36:33heartstrings, you talk about the sentimentality of Robert craft all the

36:36time, Greg, if you want to pull at those heartstrings, don't

36:39forget who the first Mayo was.

36:40It was Josh McDaniel's baby.

36:42Don't forget about, Oh, we've got to pull them from Indianapolis.

36:44We'll give them more money.

36:46And we're not going to necessarily promise him the job when bill walks,

36:49but we're going to let them know that he could have the job when bill walks.

36:52And of course, McDaniel's ended up in Vegas, but McDaniel's was the first Mayo.

36:56He was the guy that the crafts were looking at as the next guy behind Belichick.

37:02Don't forget that.

37:03And so you've got Vrabel who has ties here and is close to craft.

37:06We know the hall of fame stuff last year, you've got McDaniel's

37:09who's very close to craft.

37:11McDaniel's lives in the area.

37:13Um, and it makes a lot of sense for him to stay here in new England and work

37:18with somebody that he knows very well in Vrabel working for an owner that

37:22he trusts and knows that loves him.

37:24So my theory is that was absolutely agent speak or Vrabel himself saying,

37:32yeah, you know what?

37:33Chicago loves me.

37:36Yeah.

37:37I mean, yeah, that, that could certainly be the case.

37:41It was very interesting timing.

37:43The other thing about Vrabel in Chicago, I don't know who it was, but I heard

37:47somebody mentioned that Vrabel has a relationship with Ryan poles, the GM.

37:52Yeah, I saw that too.

37:53I saw that too, but I don't know where that would have happened.

37:56Like, you know, polls was a player at Boston college.

37:59Um, he's from New York.

38:01He graduated Boston college in 2007.

38:05He was an undrafted free agent of the bears in 2008.

38:08He was a mate.

38:09Maybe they crossed pat.

38:11No cross paths as a BC grad assistant in 2008.

38:14That'd be weird.

38:15But he, he's basically a Scott Pioli disciple.

38:18So I don't know if there's any carry over there, but he was, he's only been with

38:21the chiefs before he went to the bears.

38:23I don't know where he would have gotten this relationship with Mike.

38:29Brings me the timing.

38:32How much does timing make this difficult to pull off, correct?

38:35Because variables out there, obviously he's working for Cleveland in this

38:38consultant job or whatever the hell the title is, but he's out there.

38:41McDaniel's is out there.

38:42They obviously want back in the game.

38:45And you've got craft who, as you said, likes to go through the full 17 game

38:49schedule, then kind of decompress and take his time if they're thinking about

38:55Vrabel, how much urgency do they have to show here, Greg?

38:58I mean, some, I mean, but I, I mean, I don't think the crafts, you know, I

39:06don't think it's going to go past a week past the end of the season.

39:09So I don't think that's, you know, if they move on from Mayo, I don't think

39:14the timing is going to be that big a deal because all these teams have to go through

39:17all these owner, these interviews and, you know, different rounds and our people

39:22in the playoffs and all this stuff.

39:24Unless you have some sort of assurances from Vrabel privately, which I would doubt,

39:28like they're going to have to go through the process, including interviewing

39:31Ben Johnson, who's going to be, you know, busy during the playoffs, uh, with

39:36the lions probably for a while.

39:38So I, I, I'm not too worried about that.

39:41Yeah.

39:41I think Chicago goes offense, whether it's Johnson or it's Kingsbury.

39:44I think that's what they do.

39:46All right.

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41:46Let's quickly go through this.

41:47I got lunch to eat and I don't want to deal with it too much.

41:50All right.

41:50Van Pelt versus Arizona.

41:52What the hell happened?

41:53Um, it was a complete debacle.

41:56Um, look, the point I want to make, and I wrote this for BSJ today, and I talked

42:02a little bit about it on Felger and Mass and, you know, you know, I see the

42:08tweets and all this stuff and I hear the post game commentary and everybody's

42:12like, but Arian low socks, Ben Brown sucks.

42:14Their offensive line blows.

42:16Um, what do you expect?

42:18They can't do anything.

42:19They can't block anybody.

42:21Um, and I'm not saying that's not true, but, and we've talked about this all year

42:28and we are now how many games, 14 games into this, um, football, football is a

42:38game, it's football on it's chess on grass.

42:41Okay.

42:42And in every matchup in football, I don't care whether you're pop Warner,

42:45high school, college pros, one team is going to have an advantage on the other

42:50team.

42:51Sometimes it's going to be great.

42:52Like Buffalo on Sunday.

42:54We don't expect much, but in a game like against the Arizona Cardinals, it's

43:01incumbent upon the coaches.

43:02And this was reinforced.

43:03I heard Tom, Tom Kern had a great podcast with, um, Scott Peely and Scott Peely

43:09kept talking about how, um, you know, there were times when they didn't have a

43:13lot of talent, but you know, it's about talent development and it's about the

43:16coaches taking what these players can do and doing what you can with it to try to

43:22win a game.

43:23Um, you know, he talked about it and we've heard this before about how, you

43:27know, whether it was bill Belichick or bill Parcells, don't tell me what a

43:32player can't do.

43:33Tell me what a player can do.

43:35And, you know, and that goes to Alex van Pelt going into this game, it's incumbent

43:40upon him in every single matchup to determine he's seen these guys all week in

43:45practice.

43:46They had extra practice.

43:47They had a padded practice.

43:49He needs to understand what the guys that he has at his disposal, what they can do

43:55and what they can't do.

43:57Okay.

43:57And stay away from the things they can't do, or might struggle with stay in your

44:01lane with things that they can do.

44:03And to me, I thought the game plan was completely flawed.

44:08Um, you know, and it's falling into a trap.

44:11Like, you know, it's like, and it's like this team in general, but you know, the

44:16Rams game, they do pretty good.

44:18Then they're like, Oh, not too much pressure.

44:20We, you know, we did a lot of good stuff.

44:21Or we're going to ease back on the stuff that we were doing.

44:24Then it's a disaster.

44:25Then they come out against the Colts.

44:27Very simple defense, not that overpowering.

44:30Hey, worked really well.

44:31Drake made his best game of the season.

44:33All right, let's, let's not continue that.

44:35Let's get a little bit more aggressive in what we want to do.

44:38And, uh, he did that again in this game to me, you know, watching the first half

44:44film was, I don't like to get in the hyperbole, but as far as I can remember,

44:52it was the worst film in the first half this year coming off of a buy.

44:57It looked like they hadn't practiced anything.

44:59And the, the two main issues in this were number one, Alex Van Pelt didn't

45:06anticipate the Cardinals playing more man to man, we talked about going into

45:10the matchup, second highest zone coverage rate in the league that was, we did our

45:15pod, I talked to an assistant coach after that, where they were like, go watch this

45:21game and go watch that game.

45:23Because when, when Jonathan Gannon, who's the defensive guy, the head coach,

45:27defensive guru over there, when he's not afraid of weapons, they play a lot more

45:32man and they're freaking pain in the ass.

45:35Um, Alex Van Pelt did not anticipate that.

45:37And he was not ready for that.

45:39And, uh, the Cardinals basically like, you know, shut them down.

45:43Um, a big issue was the Cardinals front.

45:47This isn't like the Colts front where it's four guys down, maybe the occasional

45:52blitz from Gus Bradley, but you're really not getting, it's really four guys.

45:56You know where they're lining up.

45:57It's not that hard to block.

45:59The Cardinals do a bunch of different fronts.

46:01You got overhanging linebackers.

46:03You got edge guys.

46:04Sometimes they're five yards outside the tackle.

46:07Sometimes they're head up on the tackle.

46:09There's a different aiming point all the time.

46:12So they weren't ready for that.

46:16Um, because what I saw on film was these guys, but Darian Lowe, Ben Brown, like a

46:20lot of times they didn't know who to block.

46:23They're like, all right, well, this guy's not where I anticipated.

46:26This isn't what we practiced against.

46:27Now, where do I go?

46:29And there were errors like that.

46:30And then the other thing was to compound it even more, Alex van Pelt coming out of a

46:36buy, they hadn't played a game in a week and not up to speed game speed.

46:40He ran a, he ran a ton of wide zone and he ran a ton of pulling, you know,

46:45power plays with two guys pulling both of those blocking schemes taken, uh, an

46:52enormous amount of timing and precision and they were not ready for it.

46:58They were, they had not practiced hard enough and I didn't, I didn't see them

47:02run duo, which is the simplest blocking scheme and what they've been able to do.

47:07Where, you know, you have two guys, double team, the guy in front of them

47:10and then go up to the linebackers.

47:12Uh, they didn't do any of that.

47:14Um, and to me, all of that compounded all the, you know, the talent level, it

47:20was a, it was a complete disaster.

47:23And to me, I mean, for example, you know, just to use, you know, one play as, as an

47:28example, everybody remembers.

47:30Um, I'm just looking for it.

47:32Cause I, uh, uh, okay.

47:34So everybody remembers the big holding penalty on the first drive Ramond Ray

47:39Stevenson, uh, or no, excuse me.

47:41I think it was Antonio Gibson.

47:43Um, cause it was ended up being like a 25 yard penalty.

47:46They should have first and 10 at the Arizona 18.

47:49Instead it's, uh, I think it's second and 20 or what have you.

47:53Um, that was shotgun empty.

47:58Um, it, it, it, it put a lot of stress on Layden Robinson.

48:05Who's a young guy.

48:06He's an undersized guy in that matchup with the, with the Cardinals front.

48:10And you're, you're inviting that kind of mistake.

48:14And that happened over and over and over again on the film.

48:18So to me, I thought it was an Epic coaching failure as far

48:22as Alex van Pelt in this game.

48:25And he exacerbated all the issues with this offense by getting way

48:29over his skis in terms of his, uh, his approach to this game.

48:33Is this defense actually getting worse?

48:36Yes.

48:37Um, without question.

48:38I mean, when you get, when you get to walk in touchdowns, um, you know, by the

48:45Nick and I know you've heard me say this before, there was no one in those gaps.

48:52Like they're on the goal line.

48:53There's no one in the second level.

48:55There was, you know, Sione talkie talkie on the first one is late getting in there.

49:00The second one, Kyle Duggar isn't lined up in the right place.

49:04Never gets there in time.

49:06It's, uh, it's bad.

49:08I mean, thank God for Christian Gonzalez in this game or else it

49:11would have been like 50 to three.

49:13Um, but it, and also, let me also add that Kyler Murray had a bunch of open

49:18guys that he did not see, especially on the, especially on the balls.

49:21He forced to Marvin Harrison against Gonzalez and also on his little,

49:25little beep beep runs for like four yards.

49:28There were guys open.

49:29Um, and you know, it's probably because he's like five, five, he can't see them.

49:33Uh, but, um, this game should have been a lot worse than it was.

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50:02Uh, you just gave us a lot about the offense, some about the defense, but

50:06your overall likes and dislikes from that game on Sunday.

50:09So let's go through it.

50:10Offense Drake may actually my highest graded game for him over, over the Colts game.

50:15I mean, he didn't have a lot.

50:16Yeah.

50:17I mean, because I mean, he made three special plays in the game, the throw to

50:22born the shovel touchdown, and then him.

50:26Calmly, um, seeing the all out blitz and just running around the corner and in,

50:31you know what I love Nick about that is that Drake may got to the end zone and

50:36just like flip the ball to the, to the ref and like ran off the field.

50:40Um, I, I love that.

50:42And I also, I don't know if you felt this way, but I did.

50:47Um, I kind of felt like he was, um, frustrated in that moment, just being

50:54like, you know, how many times I could have done this in this game earlier.

50:59Yeah.

50:59If we decided to do that, you know, how hard was that?

51:02You know, you're not exposing me to injury.

51:05Um, you know, so let, let alone, you know, what I said about Van Pelt, let

51:08alone his, his constant decisions, not to use Drake Mays full athletic ability.

51:13I mean, you know, I can't wait.

51:15I, I can't wait to watch Josh Allen run buck wild on the Patriots while Drake

51:22Mays playing like your handoff, uh, I'm going to do like, it's thank God.

51:29Can you imagine if Brian day ball got Josh Allen at rookie year and said, you

51:33know what, we're not running Josh Allen.

51:35You know, we're not, nah, we're not going to do that.

51:37No, it, it, it, it didn't happen because it would never happen

51:42because Brian day balls, not an idiot.

51:44Uh, but so, uh, but back to, uh, Antonio Gibson was freaking phenomenal in this

51:51game, only 16 plays and like I am for six plus place, that's a ridiculous percentage.

51:56He was awesome.

51:57He had a great blitz pickup.

51:59He had a great block on Marcus Jones's little, uh, flip pass, by the way.

52:04Can we get more than one of those plays a game?

52:07Like, is it too taxing for Alex van Pelt and the coaching staff to, I don't know,

52:11maybe have five, six, 10, 15 of those considering the talent that they have

52:16on this team, is that too much to ask?

52:18Stevenson was good.

52:20Good rebound game for him.

52:22Uh, I'm not going to Hooper was the best that I had out of the tight ends.

52:27He had a really nice run block early on in the game.

52:29Michael Wenu best game of the season.

52:32Clean sheets been a long time since I've said somebody's had a clean

52:36sheet on this offensive line.

52:37Probably back to when David Andrews was still playing that to

52:40Monterey Jacobs was pretty good.

52:42Defensively.

52:44Uh, let's see.

52:47Nobody on edge interior defensive line.

52:50No linebackers, Christian Ellis actually played a pretty good

52:54game, um, for the first time all year.

52:56I had him with three plus plays.

52:58He made a couple of dynamite tackles, got Kyler Murray in the open field

53:01at a nice, uh, pass tackle at the goal line to prevent a touchdown.

53:06Christian Gonzalez, uh, phenomenal.

53:09Um, and that's it.

53:10So the downs, uh, Jalen Polk is completely clueless out there.

53:18It looks like he's running a different offense.

53:20Um, he, his timing is just completely off.

53:24He doesn't run his routes the right way.

53:26I don't know what's going on with him.

53:28Uh, Keishon booty for dropping that interception that has to be caught.

53:33Uh, it was much easier catch than Hunter Henry's on the

53:36goal line the week before.

53:38Uh, but Darian low, he, he, he was terrible in this game.

53:42Um, five total quarterback pressures, four and a half stuff runs.

53:46Again, I will say that Alex Van Pelt was complicit in this, uh, Ben Brown.

53:52Alex Van Pelt, not as complicit because Ben Brown snapped two, two

53:56balls off his ass.

53:58Uh, so that's not really the fault of the offensive coordinator.

54:01Um, defensively, uh, Jelani Tavai, not good.

54:07See on talkie talkie, even worse.

54:10Uh, Kyle Duggar was horrendous.

54:13And what did I, what did I say in my column?

54:15So about Duggar, I was looking back on my season grades for him.

54:20Uh, and by the way, Duggar and Jabril peppers both combined for that 53 yard

54:24run that Gerard Mayo wanted to wipe, uh, from the front, from the record, because

54:28the defense wasn't that bad, uh, other than that, um, he missed, uh, Duggar

54:34missed two tackles for a total of 56 yards.

54:38He allowed three easy third down catches.

54:40Uh, like I said, he wasn't in the right gap in the, on one of the TD plunges.

54:44Uh, I look back on my grading.

54:46Kyle Duggar is a minus 24 in the last four games for me.

54:52Uh, and I think on the season, he's like a minus 28.

54:55So it's all been in the last four games.

54:57I'm sure he's playing through injury.

55:00I, I have no idea that he's, uh, I have no doubt that he's a tough guy, but man.

55:06He has not been good for in the last four games.

55:10All right.

55:10There you have it.

55:11Some likes and dislikes and just get ready because the bills are coming out.

55:15This should be a, this should be exciting on Sunday.

55:20Can't wait for May night again.

55:22I can't, I, I I'm so, so happy that I have to wait until 4 25 to watch this

55:28game and then report until midnight and 1 0 AM again, we'll talk to you later in

55:34the week.

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