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Transcript

00:00Alright for the third time this week. What's up? It's late

00:17Friday. It's the third episode we have because we had a

00:19little midweek treat as those of you who listen know with

00:22Tommy Kern and Popeye to talk about what everyone's talking

00:26about but he's a little bit more plugged in than you are

00:29than I am and most people are when it comes to ownership.

00:31Drodd Mayo, former co-host on Quicksilence and Mike Frabel

00:35and all the other coaches who might be involved and

00:37interested in a job that may or may not open. So, if you have

00:40not listened to that episode, I'm gonna start this one by

00:43reminding you to go back and listen to my conversation with

00:46Tom. Very measured, reasonable, people get on Tom because of

00:50that relationship with Drodd thinking he's soft about Mayo.

00:52Well, I will tell you in that conversation, I asked him

00:55point-blank, hey, for a guy that odds are is gonna be back

00:58in 2025, meaning Mayo, are we talking about the possibility

01:02that he might not be back a little bit too much? Tom said

01:06no and I will let him explain why. So, go back and listen to

01:08that episode because I'm only gonna have one episode for you

01:12next week and I tell you this because uh I won't, I don't

01:15want anybody disappointed when we go and disappear for five,

01:17six days and then come back next week. Um that is the

01:20reason why. You got three this week, one next week plus Pat's

01:24schedule is gonna throw us all off kilter here. They're

01:27playing on a Saturday. You got Christmas in the middle of the

01:29next week. I'm coming back from Buffalo on Monday. I will have

01:32a full film breakdown at the Herald but only if the Patriots

01:35win or if this is really, really close, will you get some

01:38film notes in the episode we do next week which will also be a

01:41Pat's Chargers preview and some kinda grab bag stuff. I think if

01:45I can bully him into this, we'll be with Mike Giardi. So,

01:47just a heads up on the front end, some housekeeping. This

01:50episode, we are listening to now, we'll have a Pat Spills

01:53preview just from yours truly on the front end. Then, we have

01:56Antonio Gibson in the weekly 4 Minute Drills. These player

01:59interviews we've been doing. He was awesome, okay? And you've

02:02heard me admit before. Some of these are better than others.

02:05It's just the truth. I don't need to hype everything else up

02:08like it's all the same and it's all great. This one, even if

02:11you don't like, it was one of my favorites but II think this

02:13was really good with Antonio who by the way, playing like

02:16one of the best running backs in the league. If you like

02:19metrics like yards after contact, second in the league

02:21right now. That dude is picking up 4.1 yards per carry after

02:26contact. So, shout out Antonio Gibson. Then, in the back end,

02:29segments with uh Kevin Wallace and Nick Roy, our male fans

02:32this week came together to donate two tickets to Pats Rams

02:35last month and then uh donate money to win those tickets and

02:39go to that game in Kevin's case and they were great. So, I say

02:43this not because I'm telling you, oh, you get the usual good

02:46stuff on the front end. We're a really good conversation with

02:48Nick and Kevin about coaching, about possibilities, the

02:51offseason, what they would do, what I would do. So, stick

02:54around for those and if you wanna be in the show just like

02:56them, Nick, Saint Nick that he is this time of year but also

03:01apparently in general, guys talk to twice is donating his

03:04tickets to Pats Bills in the season finale. So, if you wanna

03:07be on the show, if you wanna go to a game, keep your ears open

03:10next week because we could send you to the Patriots season

03:13finale this year. At least you get to see Josh Al, okay? How

03:15many times you get to see a future NFL MVP in person? Uh

03:19plus, you know, your favorite team. So, you can donate, you

03:22can win those tickets, you can come on the show, we're gonna

03:23have a lot more fans on the show moving forward there at

03:26the back end of this one. So, I think that just about wraps up

03:28the house teaming. Oh, wait, it does not and we will get to

03:30Pats Bills here in a second. Still a fourteen-point spread

03:33by the way. Largest in the Crafts ownership. We're tied

03:37for the largest. Uh as I said on radio this week. Number one

03:40was well actually in 1997, some game nobody cares about.

03:44Number two was Super Bowl thirty-six against the Rams and

03:47number three, the third time, the Patriots have been

03:50fourteen-point underdogs. The largest they've ever been in

03:52the Crafts ownership was the Bills game in Buffalo last year

03:56number four coming Sunday 425 kickoff. Now, the reason I

04:01bring up all of that is to say, obviously, we're not gonna

04:03spend a ton of time breaking down a game that most expect to

04:05be a blowout and frankly, you're gonna hear my game pick

04:07later. I think we'll be bigger than fourteen points but in the

04:10meantime, you know, look, I expected to be a blowout and I

04:16know a lot of you going back to Mayo here for a second. Might

04:20wanna see him can right now. You wanna see him fired. What

04:23I wanna see is him and his football team finish and you

04:27know, I say this as someone who has been as critical if not

04:30more so than basically every other reporter on the beat of

04:33Mayo and it's not because it puts hair in my chest or adds

04:35inches to the you know what? It's just to say that's how I

04:39see it and in Mayo's case though, I wanna see how bought

04:41in the players are. I wanna see if he can adjust. I want to see

04:45what I can learn more about him as a head coach because that's

04:47what the season has been about. For him, it's with the players.

04:51For us in the outside, it's about him, the players, Elliot

04:54Wolfe, this whole new regime, okay? Which obviously it hasn't

04:57gone great through fourteen games but we got three more. So

04:59to me, firing him now, firing him next week, firing him any

05:02time in the next three weeks is not finding a solution. It's

05:06just scratching an itch and I get that itch is driving a lot

05:08of you crazy. It's driving me crazy. If you listen to the

05:11first episode this week as I went back down, his post game

05:14comments in the game plan. It made no sense to me but I think

05:18there's potential to learn more here and I wanna see what it is

05:21especially considering as I've said before, one win makes this

05:24entire conversation about his future. Will it change? Will

05:27they not? It's unlikely but it could happen. Completely move,

05:29okay? And we just have to see what happens. Uh speaking of

05:33dried mayo, super tight lip today in his press conference.

05:37His answers were short and varying degrees of salty. We

05:40make note of that not to throw salt in his past wounds but to

05:43say, this was the smart thing. Well done. That's exactly what

05:48I would have advised him to do. It even said back in the

05:51spring, less is more. So, he's adjusting at least behind the

05:54podium 3 days without a dried mayo blunder behind microphone.

05:58Uh some more news. Christian Marmore Thursday went on the

06:01non-football illness list again. Really unfortunate to

06:04hear that there are recurring symptoms from his blood clots

06:06which which was covered over the summer, kept him out for

06:08most of the season. Obviously, without question, wishing and

06:11sending all of our best to Christian as he continues to

06:13battle this and hopefully he is back to full health as soon as

06:16possible. Football or no football. His placement on that

06:19list though did create an open roster spot for the Patriots

06:22who now have two and it looks like according to Chris Price

06:25of Boston Globe, Terrell Jennings who if you remember

06:28who Terrell Jennings is, god bless him. He's an undrafted

06:31rookie running back who played uh in practice this summer and

06:35they got cut cuz he wasn't very good. He's back. Looks like

06:38he'll be added to that room because to Michael Hasty is one

06:41of two players who's out for Sunday and the other player is

06:44Marcus Jones. Those guys obviously also factor in as

06:47kick returners but the Patriots are feeling that's one of their

06:49spots with Jennings. The other I would expect whether it's this

06:52weekend or later to be Caden Wallace. So, last night on

06:55Sunday and then we'll get into the game uh forecast. Yeah,

06:58not great. Light snow. It'll be great if you're at home.

07:01They're hot cocoa or uh this new drink many around my

07:04neighborhood are calling Bailey's Peanut Butter Cup.

07:06It's hot cocoa. A little bit of chocolate Bailey's and

07:10screwball whiskey. Little peanut butter in there for you.

07:12Hot tip for the holidays. Anyway, high of seventeen. Real

07:16feel of ten degrees. Light snow, temps dipping closer to

07:20twelve. So, this is gonna be frigid. Uh and the bills out in

07:23Buffalo today with their final injury report. Didn't rule

07:25anybody out but Matt Milano, Taylor Rapp, Tamar Hamlin,

07:28members of Douglas, all meaningful players on that

07:33defense are all gonna be questionable. So, that's it.

07:36Alright, let's get to Pat Spill's preview. Then, we will

07:38get to Antonio Gibson. Male fans will get out of here.

07:40Three matchups, two keys, one wild card thought. Number one

07:43matchup. You gotta look for on Sunday. If the Patriots are

07:45gonna pull this upset again against the likely NFL MVP, a

07:48team that has beaten the tar out of them. Seven and two over

07:51the last four years. You know, we don't have to talk about

07:53anymore. They have to pick on Rizul Douglas and it's not

07:55because if he suits up but you might not. He's hurt. It's

07:59because he is one of the worst corners in the league man to

08:02man coverage. And the Bills over the last couple of years

08:06facing a receiving court, they go, eh. Just like a lot of

08:10teams facing the Patriots nowadays go, eh. Probably gonna

08:14play some man to man and when they do, even if it's not

08:17overwhelming matchup because the Patriots offense just

08:19doesn't have any of those to present, need to pick on

08:22Douglas. So, if it's Kendrick Bourne or Keishon Booty or

08:25insert Patriots receiver here, they need a big game and

08:29especially when they're across from Douglas. Matchup number

08:32two. Vennaria Lowe, Demontra Jacobs, stop me if you've heard

08:35this before. Really struggling pass protection. They can't and

08:40Buffalo. But they might. Gregory Russo, AJ Epinesa, two

08:44starting defensive ends for Buffalo. Combined twelve and a

08:46half sacks. Four forced fumbles. Thirty-two quarterback

08:51hits, okay? Those numbers a little bit inflated because the

08:54Bills play from ahead so often so they just get to pin their

08:56ears back. Go rush the Bills like to rotate their defensive

08:59line and Oliver's still a problem in the middle but he's

09:01only got two sacks. The Patriots a little stronger in

09:04the middle. Um actually depending on the week but the

09:06point is the Bills best players on defense are right there on

09:10the edges. They need answers for them. Not only low in

09:13Jacobs but chipping, double teaming, maybe going a little

09:17up tempo, no huddle, wear them out, work certainly late in

09:21Arizona, didn't it? Okay, a lot of avenues, a lot of options

09:23here to wear on those guys and help to your weakest links on

09:27offense. Patriots needs to do that and win those matchups if

09:29they want to win on Sunday. Number three, and this is

09:32tough because you talk about blowouts or landslides.

09:35Demarcus Covington versus Joe Brady and let's be clear, never

09:41has been, never will be personal to any coach or player

09:43in this podcast but Demarcus Covington has been the biggest

09:46disappointment of the Patriots, okay? And Joe Brady, I I don't

09:50think they give out this award. Maybe we do with the PFWA Pro

09:53Football Writers Association. If there's an assistant of the

09:56year, uh it should go to him. Those offenses scored 30 points

10:01in eight straight games. That's every single game since

10:05basically Columbus Day, alright? So, Joe Brady has

10:09unlocked a super multiple run game. He's coaching obviously

10:12Josh Allen to an MVP award barring an injury or something

10:14crazy going on. He's got a number one receiver Khalil

10:17Shakir who's like a good player but not a number one option.

10:21Shakir's got 71 catches, almost 800 yards. Oh, and the next two

10:25leading pass catchers for the Bills are tight end Dalton

10:27Kincaid and a running back in James Cook and the whole

10:30operation is cooking because of how balanced they are, how good

10:34Allen's been, and how Brady is weakly providing edges for his

10:38quarterback and everyone else around him. So, no Stefan Diggs,

10:41no problem. Demarcus Covington needs to unsettle Joe Brady a

10:45little bit. This could be with different pressures on third

10:47down. It could be by completely going against their identity or

10:51whatever their identity is. It's a thirtieth ranked defense by

10:53EPA and DBOA right now. But the point is this, Covington needs

10:57to at least get that to a draw because the Bills get to 30

11:01points on Sunday, a place the Patriots have never been and

11:05honestly not even really close to this season. Say for that

11:08one game where they got to twenty-five against the Jets,

11:10this one's over. Covington needs to win early, set the

11:13terms of engagement, whether again, that's through blitzes

11:16or simulated pressures, whatever it might be, make Joe Brady

11:19uneasy, make Josh Allen uneasy. He's gotta have a good game

11:22plan. This doesn't matter and you might just go, okay, well,

11:25hit the loss. You might be right. Two keys. Number one,

11:27kill the clock. Tried and true strategy is an underdog. Long

11:31possessions. Limit the possessions for the Bills. This

11:34is nothing to do. I mean, it's an obvious point. Like, you

11:37keep them off the field. That's good. It also makes luck. Just

11:41dumb luck. Bounces of the football, the wind blowing. Play

11:44a bigger role in something harder to overcome if you get a

11:47bad bounce of the ball if you're Buffalo and the Patriots

11:50trying to make this as messy and as lucky of a game as

11:53possible because the more positions the Bills get, the

11:56more likely it is they'll prove what we know. They're a better

12:00football team. So, don't give them as many chances to do that.

12:03It's the same as playing pickup in your backyard or in your

12:07driveway. Two, three points versus thirty when you're the

12:11person you're playing is much better at basketball than you.

12:13You can get lucky and win if you go to three. Uh you're

12:16gonna lose every single time if you go to thirty. Try to keep

12:19them closer to, you know, not gonna be three possessions but

12:22six or seven versus twelve or thirteen. Number two, red zone

12:26defense. Um Patriots again, struggle here. This might be a

12:29big ask. Probably is. But they need to keep an eye on Josh

12:32Allen especially in critical situations when he's more

12:35likely than not to take it into his own hands. It's told to me

12:38by defenders I talked to in the locker room today. You can also

12:41see with your own eyes. So, when they get down there, field

12:44goals, not touchdowns. Number one, wildcard thought. Um look,

12:48I I already said it actually. This is for all intents and

12:51purposes, a nationally televised game. If you look at

12:55the the TV maps and not many people tweet these out anymore.

12:58I think Jagraff sent this out earlier in the week. Uh and our

13:00pal Mike Butnansky put this in his Friday four pack. It's

13:06basically C to C on this. When you look at the map and who's

13:10gonna be watching what games. The color in these maps, I

13:13don't know who distributes them. Is it blue from the east

13:16to west coast? Which means that color blue stands for

13:18Bill's Pats. That's the big game in the 425 window. I'm

13:22very curious because we know the crafts are aware of this.

13:25Got their bunny ears. They read a lot and they watch a lot. If

13:29they give this game a little extra weight because of that

13:32extra audience and the national potential for embarrassment

13:35that comes with a blowout loss to which I would say, well,

13:38what do you expect? The the Bills are boat racing,

13:41everybody. If you lose by seventeen, you're just like

13:44everybody else. Not to mention past Patriots defenses and

13:48teams even under Belichick who again were two and seven for

13:51the last four years. In the Bills by the way, average 30

13:53points per game in the previous three seasons leading up to

13:57last year. So, this is nothing new but those eyeballs are

14:01meaningful. They're meaningful to the people who have the most

14:03power. Will that translate? Will it mean something? You

14:06probably won't know for another week or two. The more and more

14:08of these little reports come out with less and less

14:10confidence about Mayo. This, I wanna call it a tipping point.

14:13I think the Charger game is still more important than this

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16:01male fans, coaches talk, lots to learn, and then pass bills, of

16:04course, on Sunday. I will see you in about a week. Alright,

16:07here with Antonio Gibson, another four-minute drill. We

16:09just gave him the lowdown, run some clock, ask some questions,

16:11go back and forth. You ready? I'm good. Alright. A little

16:15sleepy today. Uh we're not starting the clock yet. You're

16:17you doing alright? I am tired today. Okay. I will admit

16:20defeat today. We haven't even gone to practice and the man's

16:23already defeated. But I'm here though. I'm here. I'm here.

16:26Okay, bonus content in the four-minute drill. Ready, set,

16:28start. Okay. Uh what do they not tell you about playing in New

16:32England that you've only come to learn over the last couple of

16:34months? Um I don't know. I guess that's something they

16:39told me but I haven't experienced I guess the

16:41weather but I haven't. It hasn't been that bad this year

16:43so I guess that's something but they told me that but it hasn't

16:46been that bad here. Yeah. We were just talking about games

16:48in Buffalo. Look at eighteen degrees, some wind. I didn't

16:51mean to scare you but I told you Gerard's rookie year, the

16:53field goal posts were going sideways. Did I make that worse

16:55or are you already scared enough of the weather coming

16:58Sunday? I was about to say Coach Springer kind of hit me

17:00with the eight degrees yesterday and I was like you

17:02could've kept that to yourself. Keeping it real. Still looking

17:06defeated. Alright, uh give us the biggest badass in the

17:08locker room. The biggest badass?

17:14If I had to say somebody, I just say be more. Um just the

17:17way he walk around. I thought bro was just, you know,

17:20playing around but he really walk around like that. So, I go

17:22with be more. True story. You'll have multiple people in

17:25the locker room. First time they met, be more. Fought him. Uh

17:28ask fought. Ask Anthony Jennings back in Alabama. Uh

17:30moving on. Guys love to say, I want this guy at my back in

17:33the trenches. Chips are down, right? If you're going out,

17:36something goes down, I want him at my back. Who's the last

17:39person on that list? You want at your back in the trenches

17:42in a moment where you need somebody. I'm not answering

17:44that question. Does this make it easier? A lot of the guys

17:48have said a receiver or multiple receivers whether

17:50they're small or they might be bailing. We're playing. We're

17:53playing a little bit but there's some truth. I go with

17:55the specialist there. If we're going smallest on the team.

17:58Specialist. Alright. Uh Drake May. If you can explain him in

18:02a moment. What was that moment? A moment. I would say I think

18:11against Tennessee. He broke for a run. Um and not even a

18:15touchdown pass but I think he broke for a run like a 1012

18:18yard run. A linebacker was in front of him. Lowered his

18:20shoulder. Got up. You know, pump the crowd up, pump the

18:23team up. Nice. What were you doing in that moment? I was on

18:27sideline watching. Yeah. Did you say anything? No, I was

18:29hyped. Okay. Very good. Uh hardest part of learning in NFL

18:32offense is what? Um I would say the language. Yeah. Just the

18:38language. Uh not much to that. Just uh it's all pretty much

18:42similar but different verbal use and and things like that.

18:44So, probably the language. Yeah, cuz you've been in a few

18:46offenses back in Washington and obviously a new one this year.

18:49Can you spit out a long play call? No secrets given away

18:53here but just something nothing? Nah, you just

18:55quarterback. Like, that's one thing I never understand how

18:58they get them long play calls out. But they're in your

19:01playbook too, aren't they? Yeah, but I listen to what I

19:03gotta know and what I need to know and that's it. I can't.

19:05You try to focus on all that and then, nah, that ain't. I

19:09listen to what I got and then I cut my ears off. Man, this is

19:11a former receiver talking too. Alright, have you ever cried

19:14during a movie? No. Not at all. The closest you've ever gotten

19:19emotional. TV, movie, something you're watching. Movie, if I

19:22could think about one, maybe the notebook. Okay. Maybe,

19:25maybe the notebook. Yeah, that probably almost got me. Now,

19:29be honest, were you watching that with your girl or is this

19:32on your own? How'd you come to watch the notebook? Uh I think

19:34it was on my own. I actually like, I like the notebook. Yeah,

19:37I like the notebook. What do you like about it? We're gonna

19:39stay here for the rest of the interview. Um just I guess the

19:43the situation, you know, the how they fell in love, you know,

19:47then they went their separate ways, ended up rekindling. It

19:51was a kind of like a love-hate relationship but ended up

19:54working out. See, he gave us more on the notebook than a

19:57single NFL play call like that's this is Antonio Gibson.

20:00How many times have you watched the notebook? Uh I've probably

20:03seen about six times in my life. When was the last time you

20:06watched it and why? It's been a minute. Probably a couple of

20:08years for me. Okay, now he's getting distant. Um but were

20:11you, were you sad when you watched it? Were you just

20:13looking to kill time? I'm not sad no more. Probably the first

20:16time when I watched it, I probably, that was probably the

20:17saddest but after that, I've been alright. Was it a tough

20:21breakup? It's a breakup. Uh not really. I feel like, you

20:25know, they moved on in life and then they they rekindled it.

20:28No, I mean, for you, like why you why you were sad? Well, I

20:30was sad. Yeah. Breakup. No, it's just a good move. Just

20:33sad? Good move. Okay. Alright. For sure. Well, we just ran out

20:37of time so that we literally killed the rest of the interview

20:39with the notebook. I'll end with this one though. Same

20:41question we ask everybody. What's your least favorite

20:43question from the media? My least favorite question of the

20:46media. Uh for me, I haven't got it here but I would say my my

20:52second season uh when I had like I was going through that

20:55fumbling phase and it was just like, oh, what are you gonna do

20:58about it? I'm like, it's it's nothing like I know what I need

21:02to do is is just hold on to the ball but you know, they punch

21:05at it perfect sometimes and they get it out. So, it's just

21:07like but they just started with some amazing answer. I was

21:10about to give him like, oh, I'm just gonna take my arm across

21:13my body or something like that. That was probably the most

21:14hated question I I had in the media. Okay. His second year

21:19was also a few years ago. Might have synced up with the last

21:21time that he watched the notebook. That would have been

21:22a reason to be said. Either way, love learning more about

21:24you. Thanks for hanging out, man. Antonio Gibson, everybody

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23:14in the making and long overdue which means I should probably

23:18give our next guest Nick Roy who donated the two tickets

23:20bought by Kevin Wallace, our next guest who ultimately

23:23donated $1100 with his father to the Leukemia and Lymphoma

23:28Society. People doing good work for kids who need it, men and

23:31women who need it and it all starts with you, Nick, who we

23:34just recapped off air. We're on the show last year as one of

23:38our male fans and not just because you also donated

23:41graciously, not just tickets but your own money. You went to

23:44the six nothing Patriots Chargers game a year ago and

23:47flew up from your native Richmond to go see that and

23:51just before me, you almost left at halftime and despite the

23:54travels might have been the best decision. So, thank you

23:55for coming back and the Patriots should be the next one to

23:58thank you just for still being a fan after that experience.

24:01Well, you helped convince me to hold on to the season

24:03tickets. So, they should thank you too but yeah, no, big, big

24:07thank you to Kevin and his father for for for buying those

24:10tickets. Uh my pleasure to donate. I mean, amazing work

24:14you guys are doing, you know, promoting this charity and and

24:17uh all the great work you guys do to keep us connected to the

24:19team. So, very much appreciate that. I got it. Alright, let's

24:23get to some football. Uh I have no idea where you wanna take

24:26this but the the floor is yours, my friend. Okay. So, I

24:31I wanna talk about football but I also wanna talk, you know,

24:33I've I mentioned the amazing work you guys do to keep us

24:36connected to the team. So, I I've got a I've got a call to

24:39action for for Patriots fans out there. You know, it's the

24:43holidays are coming up. Our team is not very competitive.

24:46Um you know, you can buy the jersey or the sweatshirt or

24:51maybe you're a glutton for punishment like me and you wanna

24:52buy the season tickets but there's also another way you

24:55can spend your money to to sorta stay connected to this

24:58team and that is subscribing to all the great journalism

25:02that's done covering this team. Whether it's the Boston

25:04Herald, Mike Andrew, the Boston Globe, Boston Sports Journal,

25:09whatever the case may be, right? It's it's it's this team

25:14following this team has changed a lot over the last couple

25:17years as we all know, right? And when they were super

25:19competitive and there was a big appetite for news and

25:22information about the Patriots, there was a number of things

25:25out there that you could go and and I think as the team has

25:29gotten less competitive and the sort of media marketplace

25:32around the team is sort of shrunk a little bit. I think

25:35it's it's sort of changed the complexion of of of the

25:38information that's out there and you know, I'm a strange

25:41person. I subscribe to like seven different newspapers and

25:44and and I read this stuff all the time but I think if we're

25:48not willing to pay for good information about our team,

25:50we're not gonna get it, right? The aggregators are out there

25:53aggregating stuff but if people aren't paying for journalism,

25:56what are they gonna be aggregating, right? All we're

25:58gonna know about our team is what they want us to know. So,

26:01it's a long way of saying I appreciate the work you guys do

26:05and you know, following this team when they were as good as

26:07they were, you guys helped us stay connected to it and it's

26:12just, it's so amazing and so, I just really appreciate the work

26:15you guys do. I love following these shows, listening to them,

26:18reading the the great work you and Doug do for the Herald and

26:21and all the other reporters do at all the other outlets but

26:24pay for journalism guys. It's it's worth doing. If you wanna

26:28buy a gift for the Patriots fan of your life, buy them a

26:30subscription to something instead of a shirt and and let

26:33them learn something about their team and yeah, that's my

26:36that's my spiel. Okay, Nick, very kind words and I would

26:41have stopped you earlier in the same way that I stopped Ted

26:43Johnson a few weeks ago when he was highly complimentary of my

26:46work and being on this podcast. I said, I just can't take it.

26:49There's a quota. I will not accept any of the compliments

26:51but again, you donated tickets. It resulted in $1100 going to

26:54people with cancer. That's a very good thing. The problem is

26:57Nick with your pitches, you sound like a plant. I sound

27:00like I've hired you off air to come on and say things about

27:04newspapers with some people listening or watching to this

27:07have no idea what that is because the idea of news being

27:10dropped in paper form at the end of your driveway and that's

27:13how we consume and learn things for decades is just so foreign

27:17and nonsensical to anyone below the age of twenty-two. What

27:20you're saying makes no sense. That said, in all seriousness,

27:24I I am grateful you said that it is something Doug and I

27:27actually talked about in the office today which is why I was

27:30late Christian Barmore today as they discussed already in the

27:32intro put it in non football illness list and we won't see

27:34him again. Oh man. I'm just hearing that now. Yeah. Yeah.

27:38He's recurring symptoms. Yeah. It's it's it's really really

27:43difficult but to your point like look reporting that we do

27:46just take time. It takes money. It takes resources. So, people

27:48are inclined even if they're probably getting this for free

27:51now on YouTube. I appreciate you saying that. Okay. Alright.

27:54Seriously though, this time, my my favorite plant, Nick Roy,

27:57hired for free to say that. Yeah. What what about the team

28:01interests you? Like II do think, you know, putting my

28:04fan hat on if you were a lot of Robert Kraft. Drake made good.

28:08Christian Gonzalez. Great. Rest of the team bad. Fairly bland,

28:12consistent storylines. What what underneath that? It kinda

28:15has your attention. Yeah. I you talked about it on your

28:20podcast earlier this week but you know, I've I've been

28:24closely following the the struggles of the head coach.

28:27Uh you know, specifically at the podium which I, you know,

28:30he knows more about football than he's forgotten more about

28:33football than I'll ever know. So, I'll give him that. I am

28:35like a comms guy. So, I do know a little bit about

28:38communications and if I could give him a little bit of

28:41advice. Please do. It would be to say less. Say less. Talk

28:45less when you're up there. I think, you know, I think he had

28:49a good motivation for wanting to turn the page on maybe media

28:54relations. I think he made that a real tent pole and when

28:57he came out the door and I think it I think it's has not

29:02served him well. It's the same advice I would have given him

29:04given him when he worked in media which is to let it

29:07breathe. Say a little bit less. Come to the podium with a

29:10couple of bullet points and make your point and and move

29:14on. I it it you said it earlier this week but it's it would

29:17have been impossible for me to imagine him not having this job

29:21next year a few weeks ago. I don't feel that way anymore and

29:25I think it's just a byproduct of some some very easily

29:30fixable mistakes that he's made and you shouldn't be putting

29:33your foot in your mouth every week. It's just not a it's not

29:36a good look for him and it's it's you know, Belichick used

29:40to say, never make the same mistake twice, right? Or he

29:42liked guys that didn't make the same mistake twice. Too many.

29:45It's different versions of the same mistake basically of just

29:48saying too much. Say less. Coach, Coach Mayo. If you want

29:52to hang on to your job. That said, like I I think that I was

29:58talking to my dad about this earlier. I think that he's

30:02doing something right because it'd be very easy for players

30:07in that locker room to start saying things subtly or not so

30:10subtly that would demonstrate that that maybe he's not up to

30:13the job and I haven't seen that yet. You're you're more plugged

30:16in than I am but like it seems like the guys still like him.

30:19It seems like they're getting something out of it and you

30:22know, it's it's it's already been demonstrated by player

30:26comments and by Mayo's comments that the same, you know, regime

30:30for handling the media. It's different. So, if players

30:32wanted to say stuff, they could. I think that says

30:35something and and like he's a rookie. He said it many times

30:39now that he's still learning but anyway, that would be my

30:41advice to him. Say less. Yeah, it's interesting too because

30:45this question isn't fair to you as you just said as a comms

30:48guy, something I'm just learning now. We're also

30:50learning that his most consistent and sometimes

30:54cardinal sin that we can identify publicly fans media is

30:59his errors at the podium which in the grand scheme of things,

31:03nobody cares about if you're winning and the evidence is the

31:0720-year run that we had with Bill Belichick who is the worst

31:11podium coach for the purposes of disseminating information

31:15being entertaining though depending on your definition of

31:17entertaining worst in the league at that. It didn't

31:20matter. It became comedy because the winning is the ultimate

31:23deodorant. It's the ultimate perfume and everything else and

31:26that's why we're here. The football going on and even if

31:28you look at the record and be like three and eleven has me

31:30just as mad as what you said it. I didn't. You're not as

31:34mad if they're five and nine instead. Certainly not six and

31:37eight. So, I'm curious if you could assess yourself to get

31:41back to the unfair question separating your profession for

31:43a second. Do you think you care as much about that or is it

31:47just like Manny being Manny, Gerrard being Gerrard if they

31:51have a couple more wins, you're like, well, that was stupid but

31:54hey, they're rebuilding. 100%. I that those missteps if you

31:59wanna call them that would not phase me. Very much. It would

32:05not phase me. I think if we saw improvement in some other area

32:09besides quarterback play which I think comes down to a player

32:12and not a scheme thing or a coaching thing, right? That's

32:14we're I think we're fortunate that we've got a quarterback

32:17who really looks like he can play and I'm excited about that

32:21but I think if they were playing well on the field, it

32:26would not be a big deal. I completely agree with that

32:28assessment and I think the fact that they're not playing well

32:31on the field means that he really needs to button up that

32:34aspect of the job. It's even more important than it would be

32:38otherwise. It's just to say a little bit less to to to get

32:43get through those media engagements unscathed. That's

32:47part of his job over the next next four weeks and we'll see

32:50if he can do it and if he can't, you know, I I think it

32:54is a it's a part of the job that when you're winning, it

32:57can be small but when you're losing, it becomes magnified

33:00and and and he's really gonna, he's he's gonna just like the

33:04team, he's gonna show some improvement in that area over

33:06the next 3 weeks and if he doesn't, I, you know, I think

33:09the craps would be justified in making another decision. We'll

33:13see. We'll see what happens. It'll be interesting. Yeah,

33:16that's that's well put into your point about the players,

33:18your conversation with your dad about players not speaking at a

33:21turn and you get, let's be kind, immature receivers,

33:25Keishon Booty, twice in 2 months being like, we should be

33:28more aggressive. We should have attacked more like aside from

33:31that usual stuff, players are staying together and Antonio

33:34Gibson, you don't have to take Nick's word for it. You don't

33:36have to take my word for it. You certainly don't have to

33:38take droughts word for it. They are largely sticking together.

33:40Antonio Gibson used the word good camaraderie today. I'm

33:43speaking to reporters. Might have been Wednesday. Either

33:45way, that's there even if it doesn't feel like it or

33:49certainly doesn't look on it like it on Sundays. Okay, last

33:51real quick, you get a game pick, you get a prediction,

33:54anything into the season. It could be Sunday. It could be

33:56beyond just really quick before we get you out of here. I think

34:00they get one more win. I really do. I don't know where but I

34:02think they get one more win. I think they had a nice bounce

34:06back win after the soft comments which like again, that

34:11was a real big media situation where even the national media

34:14was talking about the Patriots which is remarkable given how

34:19rough it's been the last couple years but they were able to

34:23bounce back from that in a way and I think they should get one

34:28more win. I think they will get one more win. So, that's my

34:31bold prediction. I'm hoping it's at the next Chargers game

34:35which I'll also be at. Oh, okay. Taking my son and we'll

34:41see. If not, we may be having the same conversation in March

34:44about whether I renew. I was gonna say. Well, okay but at

34:48least we know you're renewing to the show and that's really

34:50what matters. That's right. That's right. Down in Richmond

34:54came up to see an icy six nothing Chargers game last year.

34:58God bless you, Nick. You think you are gonna get something

35:00different this year in a way that no one with the Chargers

35:02team that'll be well rested playing tonight as we speak

35:04Thursday night is gonna have an extra 4 days on the Patriots

35:07uh to come into Foxborough Saturday 1 PM December 28th. I

35:10hope you enjoy the game with your son. It's an awesome

35:13experience. I hope you have a great happy holidays and thanks

35:15again for donating the tickets that kinda made all this

35:17possible. Appreciate it, man. Thanks for having me. Okay, so

35:20after our first guest was a uh a plant. Uh Kevin Wallace is

35:24certainly not a plant and I I have to put you uh on just

35:28alert. We will not accept any more compliments on this

35:30podcast. We will not accept any more positive commentary about

35:33my commentary. We will accept criticisms or Patriots talk

35:36only. Can you abide by the rules unfortunately set by your

35:39predecessor uh preceding guest here? That works. Works for me.

35:45Okay. Uh so what you got? What do you wanna talk about today

35:47and thank you again as we you know honor the the money you

35:49and your father donated to the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society.

35:52Go into the game $1100 like that's I have a podcast. Okay?

35:56Someone donated the ticket. Someone spent the money. I did

35:59neither of those things and I I wanna you know all joking

36:01aside, express my gratitude as I did to Nick to you too to make

36:05that possible. Um so first of all, thank you and if there's

36:08anything you wanna say about that before we do get to the

36:09football floor is yours. Sure. No, happy to help Leukemia and

36:12Lymphoma Society. It's a fantastic organization uh and

36:15uh today is actually my mom's birthday. She passed almost 10

36:19years ago uh from leukemia uh and it really helped us when

36:22she was going through treatment, helped us after her

36:24after her passing. So, it's really a great cause and happy

36:27to happy to help my dad and I doing it every year. So, we're

36:29happy to do so again this year. Uh but in terms of Pat's talk,

36:32I mean, there's obviously a lot going on right now. Uh

36:35especially with today's today's Baltimore news but I think

36:37practically kinda wanna look forward and and think about

36:41what's next for this team next year. Not necessarily draft

36:43picks or who we're gonna sign a free agency but realistically

36:47Mayo and the crafts is down at the end of this year. What does

36:50that conversation look like? What are the action items, the

36:52action plan that Mayo has to put in front of the crafts to

36:55convince them to keep his job or at least make them feel

36:57better going to the next season and then maybe if we have some

37:00time, what are those conversations look like between

37:02Mayo and the coordinators assuming they stay? Yeah, it's

37:05a great question. Um I I would say this number one before you

37:08even get to that conversation, the best thing he could put in

37:11front of them literally on the field while they're up high in

37:14the owner's box. We know sometimes taking notes,

37:16sometimes shaking their head is just a win and however

37:19unlikely that is especially this Sunday at Buffalo as we

37:21know the game afterward against the Chargers maybe

37:23maybe if the Bills uh lay down their swords in week 18 like

37:27you match Bill's record from a year ago just going head coach

37:29to head coach. You say, hey, we we finished on somewhat of a

37:32high note. One of those last two games. There you go. Can't

37:35fire me. That's number one. Number two would be everything

37:38he supposedly studied or thought about over the bi-week

37:40and I think by then, you kinda know the hay's in the barn like

37:4275% of the season was over and you say, these are our

37:45problems. This is how I wanna change them cuz he had time to

37:47reflect and told us about that and I think part of that will

37:50be the coaching staff too cuz I don't know about you, Kevin.

37:53Like, I could see a scenario where Van Pelt and Covington

37:56both come back as the coordinators. I'm not saying

37:59that's what I would do. I don't know what I would do. Still got

38:02three weeks left but there's also a scenario where both of

38:05them are gone. So, I think the Crafts will have a good idea of

38:08what they wanna do. They'll discuss with the rod and say,

38:11hey, look, this wasn't good enough. You know it but tell us

38:14what you wanna do next offseason changes, right? We

38:17talk about rookies going from the college of the NFL. First

38:20offseason you experience that. This will be his first really

38:22full offseason as a head coach coming off of a season knowing

38:26what he wants to change. That year two leap applies to

38:28coaches too. So, that I think will be all part of their

38:30conversations whenever they have but where where are you on

38:32the coordinators? So, II kinda think they should they should

38:35be back uh particularly Van Pelt. I mean, he's done a great

38:38job with May and I just that that inconsistency from year to

38:42year. I think what made Brady so great was the fact that he

38:45had the same coordinator, same system year over year over year

38:48regardless of what we think about the system. I mean,

38:50May's played phenomenally within it. So, get the players

38:52for him and Van Pelt to do their thing and I think Van

38:55Pelt needs to do some work on his his play calling. Maybe

38:58play design. Get someone else in the room that maybe isn't

39:00Ben McAdoo uh to to kinda chime in on these sorts of things to

39:04to infuse some additional insights into the offense

39:06because what what they're doing now just just doesn't make

39:09sense. Um and and Covington, I mean, the defense is obviously

39:11underperformed. Uh he's gotta come to May with some sort of

39:14plan as to either some coaching turnover or or some

39:17some game plan improvements that he's seeing himself. Um

39:21but II think they both stay because I think the crafts and

39:24Mayo went into this year saying, hey, everyone's a

39:26rookie. The the coaches. Right. They're all rookies. They

39:28didn't know what they were doing. So, if you're if you're

39:30if you're hiring them as rookies, you kinda have to

39:32expect some improvement into year two and I think they'll

39:34get that chance but after year two, no whole bar. Uh Kevin,

39:39let me ask you something. Do you ever call in to Boston

39:41Sports Talk Radio? Never. Okay. Uh A, probably better for

39:46your health. B, they could use some of this rational just

39:50sense which I'd like to tend to bring on the show. Uh here.

39:54That's why I listen. Okay. Well, thank you. Uh okay. No.

39:57Okay. I guess it wasn't a compliment. That was just an

39:59explanation. But the but the point being, that's a rational

40:03well thought out take as upset as you are and you said the

40:05offense is unacceptable to say like, hey, what did you expect

40:08and honestly, I've had to remind myself in the height of

40:11just frustration sitting here at the same desk, doing the

40:14same show, watching the film over and over again to July

40:17when I'm writing, hey, X amount of thoughts before the

40:19training, before training camp, whatever. Last one, it can't

40:22get worse. Like, because of everything that you just

40:25mentioned. Now, I will say tomorrow as we speak here

40:27Thursday afternoon, I have a column going up about

40:29potential coordinator candidates for 2025 cuz I do

40:32expect one of them to go and certainly position coaches

40:35underneath to go and I've talked about the receivers in

40:37the O line being prime candidates for change. So, if

40:40you had to pick one, not saying you want to but I'm forcing

40:42this upon you. One coordinator to go. Who would it be and then

40:47who are your, I don't know, like top names you wouldn't

40:49mind at least seeing an interview if not someone

40:51getting the job. No, I I think it have to be Covington. Uh I

40:56I know Gerard has a great relationship with him. Uh he

40:58seemed to be a great D line coach. Uh just kind of all

41:00over defensive coach last few years but he just hasn't been

41:04able to get that defense going and they've had the pieces for

41:06it. So, I I think of the two, he's the one who could could

41:09could get the axe. As for a replacement, honestly, I kinda

41:13might lean and go someone on the staff. Uh if especially if

41:17they like Brian Belichick and don't want him jumping to go

41:19uh to go uh with his dad and UNC, maybe they pick him. I

41:23know Mike Pellegrino's have talked highly about. I don't

41:25know in a coordinator conversation. Uh but I love

41:28Mike whenever he speaks uh and he speaks intelligently on

41:31things. So, I don't know how much game planning he does and

41:33play calling but I think I would look internally for

41:36those answers but also bring in kind of a defensive person

41:40from outside the room as well uh and outside the building as

41:43well. I I don't know who that would be necessarily. I don't

41:45think in a coordinator role but I'd honestly lean on the

41:47internal candidates. Yeah, I I think that's smart because I

41:51think A, that's where the crafts and Gerard would wanna

41:54start not and you could go the cheap, don't wanna spend route

41:58and there's some, you know, validity to that. Owners don't

42:00like paying for multiple coaches that they just

42:02dismissed. Still on the hook for Belichick through the end

42:04of this year. Mayo would be next. Any coordinators, if

42:07they're fired, if and when or whomever it is, then you're

42:09obviously paying the people to replace him. So, Pellegrino's

42:12an interesting one because it made me think of my second

42:15year in the B 2019 where he was and I said this to him.

42:19Honestly, a bit of a jerk and it was like under strict

42:21orders from Bill of the old Mark Wahlberg line in the

42:25departed of just like, you know, whether it was uh you

42:28know, the Feds or in this case, the media, keep in the dark

42:31and feed him **** and that's what he do and now he's going

42:33into his own and just like we all do professionally,

42:36personally, you get like still the Long Island kinda F you

42:39kinda guy and the guy who's become a really seasoned

42:42cornerbacks coach. So, anyway, the experience level between

42:45him and Brian and Brian Belichick starts at safeties

42:48where typically when Bill would bring up coaches, they would be

42:50there and then move to the front and through that

42:52experience, have a more well-rounded view of the

42:54defense. Does it scream coordinator but to your point

42:57about continuity would check that box in a way that I do

43:00think is important. Let me run two other names by you though

43:02because um one is Patrick Graham. Do you remember him?

43:05Oh yeah. So, he's with the Raiders now. That's it. Talk

43:09about talk about firing coaches. The John Gruden, Josh

43:13McDaniels, and Antonio Pierce soon to all be on Mark Davis'

43:17payroll slash Tom Brady's and then whomever is gonna replace

43:19Antonio Pierce, you have to think. If he's gone, so is

43:22Patrick Graham. You'll be like, well, Las Vegas stinks. Why

43:24why do we want the Raiders scraps of all franchises? One of

43:26two teams that's gonna pick ahead of us, meaning us fan

43:29view of the Patriots and the draft. They were ninth in

43:32scoring defense last year. The guy went to Yale. This guy's

43:35been around the block. This guy's been in New England,

43:37left, has more of that experience. Doesn't mean he's

43:39always been successful. Would you feel better or the same

43:42about Patrick Graham as a defensive coordinator? I'd I'd

43:45feel better with Patrick Graham as a defensive coordinator.

43:47Obviously, he has the experience. Uh has had, like

43:49you said, some success and he was with the Patriots on their

43:53coaching staff for a time. Yeah. So, that's where you're

43:55gonna start. Yeah. He he knows the building. He knows the

43:58culture. Uh he knows kinda what what the expectations are

44:01for the franchise. So, I'd be very comfortable with that

44:03decision if he came on. The other name is uh Christian

44:07Parker and this is not as exciting because I think

44:09something that will come up as we get closer to the season, us

44:12here in the media. I was looking ahead and staying

44:14ahead. Could it be this? Could it be that? And you're like,

44:15oh, I wonder what it is and then it ends up being like for

44:18agency, though it's the least exciting option. Um Christian

44:21Christian Parker is a 32-year-old defensive backs

44:24coach plus passing game coordinator with the Eagles and

44:26before that was with the Broncos. There's a guy who's

44:29very well regarded in the league interviewed for the

44:31coordinator job last year. The reason that might appeal is not

44:35because he's the new hotshot though that alone sometimes

44:37gets people going is he's obviously had a lot of

44:40experience in a different system but he's young enough

44:43where he might not be like the coordinator he worked for at

44:45McFangio kind of as we say of our grandparents when they say

44:49things sort of like borderline of holidays set in their ways.

44:52You know, like he's still got some flexibility to him. Would

44:54that do anything for you or anyone who fits that profile?

44:57I do like that because I like the idea of of bringing in a

45:00younger coach. Someone who maybe doesn't necessarily have

45:03the same level of experience but has more experience as a

45:06coordinator of some part of the defense um and can can kind of

45:10bring that experience and the new ideas because I feel like

45:11they were trying to use the same defense that they've had

45:15inject some new things which doesn't seem to have panned out

45:18so if they can bring in some more new ideas from more

45:20experience system and uh a system that is clearly playing

45:23at a very high level um for the Eagles. I'd be behind that

45:26for sure between him and Patrick Graham and probably

45:30lean with the newer guy and Chris Parker but I think both

45:33would be better candidates than what Covington has given them

45:36so far this year uh and unless Covington can really convince

45:38Mayo and the Crafts that hey, he's got an actual actionable

45:41plan uh to improve the defense next year. I'd be happy with a

45:45change. Yeah. Uh anything else on the coaches? It's uh top of

45:48mind wish list or opposite of wish list like please please

45:53please don't let Matt Patricia within 100 yards of the school.

45:56I mean the facility like anything like that. I I think

46:00bringing in kind of someone more senior, a former head

46:02coach. I know I I think I've I've read somewhere that may was

46:06friendly with Tony Dungy and I think I heard rumor early on

46:08when he was hired uh about the the the former uh Tampa Bay

46:12Bucks head coach name is escaping me now uh an

46:15Indianapolis Colts head coach um to bring him in as more of a

46:18senior advisor. I I think I would like someone in that role

46:21either kind of advising Mayo and head coaching things or

46:25specifically on offense that again, I I don't know. I don't

46:28know how the thing came about, but clearly he's not brought

46:32necessarily what we need on offense uh to get the

46:35improvements there. so someone more senior. I think on both

46:38sides of the ball would be great um to kind of advise the

46:41coordinators and do a more supervisory sort of role um

46:46probably someone maybe retired um with with a decent amount of

46:49maybe not in the game right now um but at least can serve as

46:52that kind of senior advisor sort of role. Yeah. I like it.

46:55I think uh a sounding board, a consultant, someone who's not

46:58threatening in the way that you know people including myself

47:01have brought up like Brian Dable and then you go okay.

47:03Well, that guy's in the building for the same reason

47:05Gerard Mayo may have and I don't know this hesitated about

47:08Bill O'Brien. Well, if I suffer falter, this guy might be a

47:13threat to my job like the the kind of closeness with

47:16ownership, a little bit more experience than I've been a

47:18head coach before. There's the replacement. I don't wanna invite

47:20that wolf into my you know football house here. Um so it's

47:24an interesting thought. I mean there are a lot of dynamics to

47:26play and some of them are not even privy to but also just

47:29might get a lot more weight than we're like, hey, this

47:30makes sense on paper. It doesn't matter if people at the

47:33top don't wanna hire them including or Jonathan or

47:35rubber crab. Um alright, let's get you out on this. I asked

47:38uh our first guest Nick the same question. Give me a pick

47:41of prediction something either for Sunday, which if you don't

47:44wanna talk about Sunday's game, I totally understand um or we

47:47could just look ahead to the final two games or maybe in the

47:50day or two after just kind of like end of season prediction

47:53something you think is going to happen. So, I I'm gonna predict

47:57that they win two out of the last three games. Wow. He said

48:00one and I thought it was a little whoa. Okay. I think they

48:04win too. I think really, I don't wanna say John's coaching

48:07for his job but II think this team respects him enough that

48:10they are gonna play their absolute hardest these next few

48:13games and I hope he's he's breathed that fire behind

48:15closed doors cuz I think we saw some effort issued in the last

48:18games. Um and and honestly, I think this this Sunday's game

48:22is gonna be close than people think. Uh I'd love for it to at

48:25least be within a touchdown hopefully by the end um and

48:28it's not another runaway show but I think they'll win two of

48:31the last three and give some positive momentum going into

48:33the offseason uh and the defense I think is gonna play

48:36better than they have cuz II just think hopefully they've

48:39looked inside themselves and seen that they have not put out

48:41the best effort and uh we'll see the best side of this team

48:43and give us all some positivity going into the

48:45offseason. From your lips, Kevin Wallace to God's ears. Uh

48:49and there there are many football gods up there. Some of

48:52them a little punitive, petty uh or just just don't care

48:55about the Patriots at all but hopefully that that does turn

48:57around even just for the sake of uh the vibe around the

49:00program, the locker room, selfishly talking to happier

49:02people than we haven't been as lately in the media side would

49:04be really nice and look uh it's gonna it's like 18 degrees low

49:09of two looking at Sunday. I can't think of many things I

49:12would rather not do than play football in that type of

49:15weather. One of them though is play losing and watching

49:17losing football in that type of weather. So, god bless that

49:20fingers crossed for all included. That game stays

49:22close. Well, thank you again um for for buying the tickets,

49:26donating the money to LLS, a happy birthday to your mom and

49:30II think I've told you this before but the people listening

49:32don't know. We'll be doing much more work with LLS in the

49:35offseason in the future. I'll leave it at that but if you

49:38listening or watching now want to be on the show like Kevin or

49:41like Nick, we will be bringing back the male fan segment. So,

49:44all you have to do is just donate money to help people

49:46fighting leukemia, fighting lymphoma, do a good thing. Come

49:49on the show and talk sports. That's it. So, just like Kevin,

49:52you had a good time, right? Absolutely. Best time. My man.

49:55Okay. Alright. Uh that's kind of a compliment but we'll let

49:58you off the Scott. Uh I appreciate you man. Thank you

50:01again. Genuinely, it's uh it's been great to have you. Thank

50:04you. Go Pats.

50:11You.

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