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00:00It is caught! Touchdown!

00:04The New England Patriots select Drake May.

00:08He's got the ball! And that's the ballgame!

00:12Welcome to the Week 12 edition of the All 32 Pod.

00:16Mike Giardi alongside Will Parkinson as always. We had a snow globe game last night in Cleveland.

00:20The Browns upset the Steelers who had been riding high. Great way to

00:24start the week off. Just a great setting for a football game.

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00:40So we kind of have banned Will from talking

00:44about the Jets upcoming games because the Jets can't win games.

00:48But this week was once again on a bye week

00:52nonetheless. Absolutely bananas in New York.

00:56I know you've been able to do that

01:00on some of your New York based pods.

01:04Haven't done it here yet. But I do want to say

01:08if you've seen Good Will Hunting, there's the scene near the end of the movie.

01:12Matt Damon's character, Will by the way, and Robin Williams' character.

01:16The whole diagnosis and attention disorder

01:20and the fight pushes back from love. Will, we're here to love you today.

01:24It's not your fault. I'm giving you a big hug from across the state lines.

01:28And just go ahead, Joe Douglas, fired as general manager.

01:32It is clear now that it looks like not only a new head coach, obviously a new GM

01:36and a new quarterback. A big reset coming for

01:40the New York Jets this offseason. Yeah, a couple of different things. I want to kind of start off

01:44with obviously, look, this season could have gone a bunch of different ways. It ended up obviously going

01:48the worst case scenario. I think the other worst case scenario would have been Rogers

01:52getting hurt right away and then not knowing. I think that probably is the only other one that's worse

01:56because maybe Salah and Douglas keep their jobs another year. I won't go down

02:00the whole thing, the whole timeline, but a couple of things that stand out here.

02:04One, Joe Douglas did do some nice things as general manager. There's no question.

02:08We all like the talent on this roster. I still think part of the only reason

02:12this would be an appealing job going forward is actually some of the talent he built on this roster

02:16both young and more guys either approaching extensions

02:20who've gotten extensions, etc. If you look at that defense, there's

02:24as much as they haven't played well this year, and I think there's a lot to do with that,

02:28there's still five, six, seven really high-level starters on that defense going

02:32forward that are all 28 years old or younger, most of them actually

02:36early 20s. I have Quinnen, Quincy, Michael Carter,

02:40etc., guys on extensions. You have guys like Sauce Gardner approaching extensions,

02:44Jermaine Johnson, to name a few. You look on the

02:48defensive side of the football, frankly, not a lot of stuff actually

02:52is needed there outside of the obvious fix at

02:56quarterback or just figuring out how to get Rodgers healthy or

03:00better or cutting bait. I don't know. There's a lot of different ways you could go

03:04there, but the offensive line, Oluf Asinu,

03:0821 years old, will be there for quite a long time. The rest of that offensive line, if you bring back

03:12Morgan Moses, has actually played quite well on tape. It's a pretty decent group.

03:16The tight end group probably could use one more athletic body, but if you bring back

03:20Tyler Conklin and Jeremy Ruckert and stuff, serviceable group that won't cost you

03:24a lot of money. Receiver Garrett Wilson and Devontae Adams,

03:28this isn't a barren roster, so Joe Douglas did do a good job there, but

03:32when you miss on quarterback three times,

03:36he had Sam Darnold in a year where he had a lot of flexibility

03:40cap-wise and draft capital-wise and missed on literally everybody.

03:44The 2020 draft, if folks remember, Joe Douglas selected

03:48Mekhi Becton, and guys on the board there

03:52who, you know, you would have

03:56loved to... Chester Wirfs, one of the best tackles in football and has been pretty much since the day

04:00he walked in the league. Yeah, and then there was the trickle-down effect of

04:04by taking Becton, who was a left tackle only, he had missed on then the next

04:08year on left tackles, and then you let Morgan Moses walk out of the building the first time

04:12because you didn't want Mekhi Becton to play right tackle, and you had to play George Fant there, and

04:16there's the whole kind of saga there, and they take A.V.T., who's been

04:20a nice player for them, although hurt when they could have had Christian Derrissaw not giving up

04:24a third-round pick in that trade that became Nico Collins, and

04:28there's just a lot of that, and then ultimately, you miss on Sam Ray, who

04:32was not their guy, but was their guy, that regime. Gase was

04:36brought in, who Gase had to drive to Joe Douglas' house to give them

04:40that six-year $20 million contract to get him to come to the Jets.

04:44Huge deal, which he lived out that almost the entire contract, all but five weeks of it,

04:48and they take Zach Wilson, and obviously

04:52as anyone who knows this podcast knows, obviously a gigantic miss,

04:56and there's other misses in there, Denzel Mims, Elijah

05:00Moore, these are all top 40 picks. Big free agency signings, Carl

05:04Lawson over a Trey Hendrickson, who people thought Trey Hendrickson was going to come to the Jets. He didn't.

05:08He goes to Cincinnati. He's been amazing. As we know, the Jets

05:12signed Carl Lawson, Terrence's Achilles the first year, and it was virtually useless,

05:16and not only did they do that, but then Carl Lawson was a two-year deal.

05:20The third year, that was zero guaranteed dollars. The Jets then

05:24restructured Carl Lawson's deal and gave him $9 million guaranteed last year,

05:28and he didn't have his dead money this year. By missing on Beckton, they signed

05:32Dwayne Brown. For a lot of money, that doesn't work, which means they signed Tyron Smith,

05:36which didn't work. There's just a lot there, and I guess it comes down to this, Mike.

05:40You can do a lot of nice things. You can be a good scout,

05:44but if you don't ever fix the offensive line until this year,

05:48you miss on quarterback three times. You miss on head coach twice,

05:52and more importantly, you never have more than seven wins in a season.

05:56You're going to lose your job, and Woody Johnson meddled too much in the article. If anyone

06:00hasn't read it by Diana Rossini and Zach Rosenblatt of The Athletic, it's a good read.

06:04There's a lot of interesting nuggets in there. They let Bryce Huff walk

06:08for no apparent reason, and then they blame it on Woody Johnson getting

06:12involved last year at the end of the year, but Bryce was on a

06:16following the 2022 season, Bryce had had a really nice year in terms of pressures.

06:20Only three and a half stacks, but it was actually, anyone that watched football,

06:24we talked about this a lot. It was like, wow, this guy, if he gets, he's like playing

06:2820% of the stacks. If he plays any more, he's going to explode, and guess what?

06:32He's not going to win the next season. The Jets never offered him a contract, and that's bad work.

06:36He was on a restricted free agency tender. You could have traded him at any point. Last year,

06:40you could have traded him. They didn't do any of that. He walks for nothing.

06:44John Franklin Myers, kind of the glue of this defense that was

06:48so good for a couple years, really good against the run,

06:52could play all four spots, good pass rusher, but more

06:56importantly, like, tough as nails, kind of policed that locker room a little bit.

07:00The Jets eat $8 million and trade him to the Broncos

07:04for a 2025 fifth-round pick. John Franklin Myers is one of the reasons

07:08the Broncos' defense is so good this year. He's playing for the Broncos for a two-year

07:12deal, which was worth the money he was going to get for one year with the Jets.

07:16It's very crappy there. Sheldon Rankins, Quinton Jefferson, a lot of names. Joe Douglas kind of

07:20gutted this defensive line and trades for Hasan Redick, who's played four games,

07:24has had one game that he looks remotely decent.

07:28The Jets give a third-round pick for him. There's just a lot there,

07:32and I guess in synopsis, he didn't build a great team.

07:36He built a really good roster, and again, you miss on these key

07:40places, left tackle, quarterback, head coach,

07:44and the Amazon team did a graphic

07:48yesterday, and there's a lot of blame on Woody and blame on Aaron Rodgers

07:52and all these guys. Joe Douglas, 30, and 64 as general

07:56manager, which is almost 100 games in this day and era.

08:00And lastly, zero playoff appearances,

08:04but zero even winning seasons. That's where, to me,

08:08even if you threw Jamie and Sherwood in there,

08:12one guy received a multi-year extension under Joe Douglas

08:16as a homegrown player. That's Michael Carter II. He's the only guy

08:20that comes to mind as a surefire huge hit

08:24outside of the top 40.

08:28I'm sorry, and it is what it is. It's a shame it ended this way.

08:32I don't blame the Jets for firing him now. By week, he hasn't been doing anything.

08:36He's been checked out, and you don't blame Joe Douglas when Woody's meddling, but

08:40the Jets want to get a head start on their GM search. The season's obviously a wash,

08:44and here we are. It's

08:48nuts. We're in November. We're talking about Rex Ryan and new GMs.

08:52I understand what they're saying about

08:56getting ahead of it, but obviously the candidates,

09:00the desirable candidates, are all still working right now. So yes, you can backchannel. There's plenty

09:04of conversations that happen that quote-unquote shouldn't be happening.

09:08But whatever. To your point, Joe was checked out.

09:12Woody had frozen him out. The whole thing. It was over. Just get him out of the

09:16building. That's one less person you have to deal with. He doesn't have to worry about showing

09:20up anymore. He can kick his feet up. He's probably going fishing somewhere or something like that.

09:24It's remarkable where we started this season.

09:28You and I, and your

09:3212, 13, 14 wins, we were really talking that that had the potential with the way

09:36they built the roster. I think one of the big things for them this offseason is

09:40wherever they settle on, they've got to figure out a way to make that defense what

09:44it was. Whether, as you talk about, not having

09:48aside from probably the quarterback position, not having this overwhelming need, but it's like

09:52you built something that the last two years

09:56prior to this season, that was a top five defense. Balled out

10:00good quarterbacks, killed bad quarterbacks, but

10:04shut down good quarterbacks. The level of talent on all three levels

10:08of the defense, defensive line, linebacker level, defensive back

10:12high, as high as any defense that has in the league. You mentioned

10:16the age group, too, where you do have some of these guys that are still under your control.

10:20How do I get Sauce back to where Sauce was? How do I

10:24create this relentless front that's constantly pressuring quarterbacks and making life

10:28difficult? You've got to do that if you want to get through the AFC because we're talking about

10:32Patrick Mahomes, obviously, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,

10:36and then maybe some of these young bucks. Maybe two years, three years down the line, we're talking

10:40about Drake Bayne. That's similar conversation. You've got to be able to do that.

10:44To me, that's what their identity should be. I don't feel like they have

10:48an identity this year. They have an identity.

10:52Seriously, their identity is, this group's really talented and will roll over

10:56if you punch them in the face hard enough.

11:00To be fair, sometimes this happens. We've seen this happen around the NFL.

11:04There's been talented teams many a times before the Jets and there will be

11:08the super team many a times after the Jets.

11:12There's a team that's constructed like this. The one thing

11:16I think the big takeaway this week has been Woody Johnson. Joe Douglas

11:20is fired and everyone's crying wolf. Woody meddled too much.

11:24Woody started meddling last year. He really meddled two years ago when they fired

11:28Mike LaFleur because Zach Wilson was horrible

11:32and Mike LaFleur got everything out of everybody else except Zach Wilson.

11:36They weren't going to give up on the quarterback yet so they had to give up. Someone had

11:40to roll. You covered that Mike. That's one of the first. We started really talking as much

11:44as we did. That Patriots-Jets game where Zach Wilson broke and we talked a million times about it

11:48and Devin McCourty said Bill was going to break his brain and he did. The Jets were 6-2.

11:52They finished that season 7-10.

11:56With the easy part of their schedule, majority of those games at home, all these teams going into the year

12:00that weren't supposed to be good. Obviously the Lions and Jaguars were better than they were supposed to be.

12:04Inexcusable. Someone had to roll and Woody

12:08started meddling then. That's already three years into his tenure. We're not

12:12talking year one or two where Joe Douglas drafted two starters

12:16over two years and signed basically nobody relevant.

12:20Yes, Woody meddles too much. There will be articles that will

12:24come out about his kids and a million other things. That stuff we'll cover when we get to it.

12:28The Jets are a desirable job for somebody. No, I think

12:32ownership is going to play a big role there and whether Woody decides to go the James Dolan route of being

12:36more hands off and it's worked for the Knicks obviously. Does he continue to be hands

12:40on in a David Tepper-like fashion? I don't know. We don't really know.

12:44It's anyone's guess at this point because this is what happens. Is Woody going to go overseas because

12:48of Donald Trump? How involved is Chris and his kids? There's so many questions.

12:52But a lot of owners

12:56are bad owners. I think the Chiefs,

13:00for all intents and purposes, the NFL survey goes out every year

13:04and the players. The Chiefs F across the board. But they hired the right

13:08coach, the right GM for the most part, even though

13:12whatever, and they have the right quarterback. The Patriots, Bob Kraft,

13:16unless I'm totally misremembering history, was not known as this amazing owner.

13:20But he got the head coach and the quarterback right.

13:24All these organizations, Jerry was a great owner

13:28in the 90s. Oh my God, Jerry Jones can't miss. Now Jerry's looked at as

13:32a horrible owner. If you get

13:36the head coach and GM right, if you're any organization, the Jets, we'll talk about the Saints this

13:40offseason. We'll talk about the Cowboys and the Browns and the Eagles and all these

13:44teams. Good ownership or bad ownership, if you hire the

13:48right people, it doesn't effing matter. And that's what it's going to come down to for the Jets, plain and

13:52simple. Definitely would like Woody to meddle less, but not

13:56for nothing. Lizard in the fourth for Jerry, Judy, and a huge contract.

14:00Does Woody know ball? I don't know.

14:04He won Devontae Adams. Some of these moves are

14:08the worst thing ever. Some of them are pretty awful, but some are not terrible.

14:12He benched Tony Adams.

14:16Not Michael Clemens though, just Tony Adams.

14:20This is the problem. I always wonder who

14:24they're listening to. Because you can't tell me Woody Johnson

14:28knows a hell of a lot about football, even though he's owned the football team for a long time.

14:32And so what leads him to say you have to bench

14:36Tony Adams? Who's in his ear?

14:40Some of that stuff is just remarkable. And to your

14:44point, we hear about the bad owners and the bad owners stepping in. It was

14:48obviously early in Kraft's tenure where he had to stopwatch out

14:52to Bucky Jones, I think it was, at some workout. It's like, dude, you're the

14:56owner of the football team. You made your money in the paper business.

15:00I get it. It's your money. It's your investment.

15:04In theory, you can do whatever you want, but if you want to be a good owner, you just

15:08have to find the right people to do the business for you.

15:12Basically, when that lined up in New England, it was hands off.

15:16You just go do your thing. And now they've clearly tried to get their football team

15:20back after they fired Bill. Yeah, they've got two hands on. And guess what? People don't like Bob Kraft anymore as much.

15:24No, they don't. So yeah, it's

15:28going to be a fascinating offseason. Look, as you mentioned, there'll be more stories.

15:32It'll be fascinating right on through. Hirings

15:36and firings and finding a coach and drafting and all these different things.

15:40Let's go to the Patriots at 3-8, visiting

15:44the Miami Dolphins, who still have some playoff hopes at 4-6.

15:48Dolphins have won two in a row with two-way

15:52quarterback. They are now a game and a half out of the seventh and final spot

15:56in the AFC. And they have the third

16:00easiest remaining strength of schedule.

16:04It is possible. I look at this one and I say,

16:08I love to just say, who's the more desperate team? And obviously

16:12the Patriots are trying to establish something here, and they've been a little bit frisky.

16:16But for the Dolphins, this is a critical game. Your season will end if you

16:20lose to the Patriots. And that's when you'll look back on and go, how the

16:24bleep did we lose to a team that I think the Patriots have lost their last four

16:28in Miami? I mean, it's been a house of horrors even when Belichick was

16:32the head coach and they were rolling with Tom Brady, but certainly has been the case

16:36lately. So how are they going to handle that? How are they going to handle the Patriots?

16:40How will they handle the speed? Because this is,

16:44I think as Christian Gonzalez was saying, it's probably the fastest team in the league, and I don't think you can

16:48really argue between A-chain and Mosterd and Hill

16:52and Waddell. I mean, they bring guys off the bench that can fly.

16:56In the past, they've had a decent plan with this.

17:00Belichick's last year, there was

17:04sort of keep everybody in front of you, force Tua to nickel and dime you.

17:08At times they tried to get aggressive and be physical,

17:12but this is a tough matchup, obviously.

17:16I just think the way Miami is playing right now,

17:20they're averaging 28 points per game since Tua's come back in the four

17:24starts that he's made. So it just feels like they're going to need to have

17:28a big offensive output in Miami, and I don't know that they're quite there

17:32just yet. This just makes you,

17:36I know what I said at the beginning of the year, and I'm sure I'm contradicting myself,

17:40it just makes it more frustrating when you get to see Drake made twice against

17:44Waddell. Just the way that game played out and how much

17:48I felt like even week two of Drake May, week one

17:52of Drake May starting would have looked so much better than when we did. I think this is

17:56an interesting test, as you mentioned, for New England.

18:00I think I feel like I say this every week with them, but this year

18:04is so much about how you respond positively and negatively.

18:08This is how much can you build on success?

18:12How much can you rebound from, I think the Patriots have been way more impressive to me

18:16this year than I was expecting, if I'm being honest.

18:20If you told me they won one or two games this year going into the year, I would have been like, I don't know,

18:24you might be right. Even if they win four or five, like three or four, they're probably kicking themselves,

18:28they didn't win already. They're playing competitively against some good teams, or at least talented

18:32teams. I'm just looking for a not Jacksonville effort

18:36from them. I'm looking for Drake May's built on every week.

18:40He might win rookie of the year, like all seriousness.

18:44Jayden Daniels has fallen off a cliff. I know he's hurt. Caleb's been

18:48so up and down, mostly down.

18:52Neighbors started out hot.

18:56My point being, there is real reason for optimism here.

19:00The Dolphins defense does not scare you,

19:04in my opinion, at least. Even the Bills game, they got so much credit. Oh my god, they played so well.

19:08It's like, give 30 points.

19:12You can run on this team, you can throw the ball around. I'd like to see a lot of Ramondre this week.

19:16Truly commit to,

19:20even if it doesn't work the first two or three drives, we're going to stick

19:24with the run game. Let Drake May get in some play action, some easy screen game

19:28maybe. Just get him in these easy spots where

19:32then you open it up a little bit as the game goes on, whether you're winning or losing.

19:36I'd like to see them continue to have that identity.

19:40Lastly, from a Dolphins point of view, look, they figured it out

19:44the last couple of weeks. If they want to shot the playoffs, you have

19:48got to win this game. I expect the Dolphins to win this game.

19:52They've had so much success over New England recently. The way the Jets used to get dominated

19:56by New England right now, it feels like the way Miami

20:00dominates New England and then Buffalo dominates Miami and the whole thing.

20:04The Jets and Bills kind of go back and forth.

20:08I'd like to see, can they do something different with Tua?

20:12I feel like Tua had Bill's number for whatever

20:16reason. I can't really figure out. It's like the anomaly.

20:20Young quarterbacks always struggle against New England. It's always been a thing.

20:24Immobile quarterbacks even worse.

20:28We talked so much last week, Mike. You talked so much about, I love the

20:32offensive plan. I love how they played. I love the heart the defense played with, but the defensive plan

20:36sucked. Can it be the heart and

20:40energy they played with last week and just something different, throwing different looks at

20:44Tua? The one thing I will say and the one thing that is still clear, and I'm

20:48not trying to be a dick here, Tua does not want to get hit. I don't blame him

20:52at all. We can say the same thing about Rodgers and all these guys. Brady didn't want to get hit.

20:56None of these guys want to get hit. I'd

21:00rather sell out. If you're going to sell out against somebody and you get beat by Tyreek,

21:04you get beat. If that's who's going to beat you, even though Tyreek's not been the same player this year for a million

21:08different reasons, get Tua on the ground early in the first quarter and be

21:12like, okay, this is the game we're going to play. If you're ready

21:16to strap up and do it, Tua's a tough dude.

21:20I'd like to see the Patriots get after the Dolphins a little bit and say, hey man,

21:24Mike McDaniel, I know you have a great running scheme. I want you to commit to that and I want you

21:28to beat us that way. You're not going to beat us with Tyreek and Waddle

21:32and all these guys. We're going to hit Tua, so you better be committed and ready to

21:36really go for it. Sometimes I think to myself,

21:40teams are so obsessed with it and then McDaniel will get away from the run. It's like

21:44Kyle too in San Francisco. I don't know. That's just

21:48where I land on this game. I expect the Dolphins to win, but I'd like to see the Patriots get a little

21:52spunky here. Some interesting points there.

21:56The offense has looked different with Tua. I don't just mean because they're scoring

22:00points, but it's almost in the way it's been designed. I think a lot

22:04of that revolves around the fact that they don't want Tua to get hit. You never want your

22:08quarterback to get hit, but I think it's even more so. Now all of a sudden you're seeing

22:12I think A-Chan has 23 catches in the last four

22:16games. Jono Smith all of a sudden is 16

22:20or 17 catches, 18 catches, something in the last four games.

22:24That's all designed

22:28simple swing passes, checkdowns, designed tight end screens,

22:32quick stuff over the middle because they want to get the ball out of his hands.

22:36Look, he's hitting 73.5% of his passes right now.

22:40He's leading the league in completion percentage, but it's clear

22:44that from that perspective, if you're the Patriots, to your point,

22:48be physical. Be physical at the line of scrimmage. Get your hands on those guys.

22:52Don't give Jono Smith a free release. Make sure there are eyes on A-Chan.

22:56Get a piece of Tyreek. Be physical. Jonathan

23:00Jones talked about it this week. He said, we've seen teams that can do it. They've done it before

23:04when they've had some success slowing them down by being physical with those guys.

23:08For whatever reason, Waddell in this new version of the offense

23:12has not been featured all that much. That's probably the kiss of death

23:16for the Patriots right there. He's going for 187 in two studies.

23:20They've had some issues with him in the past. I can't

23:24overlook him, but it is interesting. I'm curious to see the plan. I think it's a big week

23:28for DeMarcus Covington to get that defense right because Matthew

23:32Stafford, Sean McVay absolutely owned him last week.

23:36I want to touch on one more thing before we go.

23:40For those of you who followed the story,

23:44Alex Van Pelt spoke to us on Thursday. He was asked, hey,

23:48you finally used Marcus Jones, your nickel corner. Actually, probably

23:52now your second corner behind Christian Gonzalez. You finally used him on offense. He'd been

23:56a good offensive player in limited role as a rookie. He had, I think, 19

24:00snaps, but four touches and a touchdown. Long touchdown against the Bills.

24:04Then he got hurt early last year.

24:08Marcus, he texted me.

24:12I was like, who's this Marcus Jones? Because I figured Marcus would talk to me on the field

24:16if this was my Marcus Jones. He said, I'm Googling Marcus Jones as I ran across

24:20Marcus Jones in Green Bay. Why would he be texting me? Then one of the coaches said, no, no, no.

24:24It's our Marcus. He wants to talk to you. Marcus said, hey, I can help

24:28on offense. Here's the problem

24:32with that. It's great. I want to step forward. Marcus Jones, I can help.

24:36He can help. He's probably their best guy with the ball

24:40in his hands. You see that on his punt returns in particular.

24:44Alex Van Pelt didn't know that Marcus Jones

24:48had played offense for the Patriots.

24:52The immediate thing is dereliction of duty.

24:56How did you not know that? My brain spins ahead and says

25:00Gerard Mayo, DeMarcus Covington,

25:04Brian Belichick, Tyler

25:08Hughes, who's now the wide receiver coach. He was an offensive assistant that year in

25:122002. Who else? Mike Pellegrino, the cornerbacks coach. They were all

25:16here. How does nobody say to Alex, especially in the

25:20first five weeks when you're struggling to score points, hey, bud,

25:24this guy, and you see him on punt returns, he's freaking good with the ball in his hands.

25:28You might want to think about it. Play here or play there.

25:32Just like what they're doing now for Pop Douglas. Pop doesn't fit their scheme.

25:36He's not going to be out there a lot in the 12 personnel because they just don't want

25:40him outside. He's not that kind of player. He's a little dude.

25:44They're finding ways now the last couple weeks to get him four or five touches a game.

25:48You see it. He gets a little quick hitter. Boop. Makes a guy miss.

25:52It's 12, 15, 16 yards. Just like that. Easy little

25:56chunk play. To me, it just was

26:00pilot on top of the things that have

26:04fallen through the cracks this year with this new coaching staff.

26:08The old coaching staff wasn't very good at the end. That's why Bill's not here. He built a bad

26:12roster and it was a bad coaching staff. But now we're getting a young coaching staff,

26:16inexperienced coaching staff that's let far too many things

26:20happen this year that you go, man, if you just

26:24had your head out of your ass for a second, this wouldn't happen.

26:28I don't know. Just one of those things. I was getting ready

26:32for Boston Sports Journal to write a nice piece on Cole Strange making his comeback

26:36from the torn patella tendon and all the stuff that he's gone through, talked about

26:40how to relearn how to walk. This whole thing.

26:44I don't know. It's an uplifting story. The guy really had to work his ass off.

26:48Might be a few weeks away from playing, but it looks like he's going to get back on the field and play

26:52an actual game before the season's over. That's good for him. Then this happens

26:56and I'm like, man, I don't want to kill him, but how do you not

27:00talk about this? That's a huge breakdown in communication for an

27:04organization that preached under the new regime it was all about

27:08collaboration and breaking down silos. How do you not communicate

27:12when you're collaborating? That's just another reason

27:16in part why they're 3-8. Let's hear from game time now.

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28:28This is not a game we're going to talk about. Much like

28:32we did with the Jets, we're going to stay in the Jersey-New York

28:36area and talk about the Giants, who, we're taping this

28:40on Friday. It's about 1.15 in the afternoon. A short time ago, they

28:44released, granted, Daniel Jones, their starting quarterback in just

28:48his second year of that four-year $160 million extension.

28:52His release, he had been, after the bye week, they

28:56decided to bench him. There's a whole injury component to

29:00this, where if he's hurt in the next five or six games, they would owe him

29:04$23 million of his $30 million next year. You knew this

29:08was coming. They're a 2-8 football team. It's a bad football team. I'm not sure

29:12that you knew that Tommy DeVito was going to jump Drew Locke, who they signed in the offseason,

29:16to be the backup, but yes, that's the return of Tommy Cutlets.

29:20Jones, before he got his release, spoke to the media yesterday, on Thursday,

29:24and it was an emotional sort of thing. You could tell

29:28for as badly as it's gone, for the most part of his tenure,

29:32that he still liked being a Giant and trying to carry

29:36on that legacy here. Other than the

29:40first season with Brian Dable and Joe Shane, it didn't fly for him.

29:44I guess, to me, this isn't so much about Daniel Jones,

29:48Tommy DeVito, Drew Locke. This is about Brian Dable

29:52and Joe Shane, the general manager. It was about a month and a half ago,

29:56a month ago, John Mara, the owner, said, they're safe.

30:00They're secure. I've been getting rumblings

30:04that maybe that's not the case anymore.

30:08What do you need to see? Is there anything that you can see, Will,

30:12from here on out, that would make you, if you were John Mara,

30:16be convinced that, yes, these guys deserve another crack at this?

30:20A couple different things there. The Giants are very lucky that the Jets

30:24have been as bad as they have. Even though, I would argue, the Giants' dysfunctions

30:28there's just no expectation. There's been no expectations

30:32for a while. Look, Daniel Jones was overdrafted.

30:36I thought he had a really nice rookie year. If you really go back and look at it, it was very productive.

30:40He had a fumbling problem and a turnover problem, but he was much more Baker now,

30:44where it was high variance in terms of a lot of touchdowns, a lot of interceptions.

30:48I mean, 24 touchdowns, if I'm not mistaken, as a rookie.

30:52I think it was 12 or 13 games. Pretty impressive. The Tampa Bay game, the Danny Dimes

30:56thing. Jones got overpaid. It was really a two-year deal.

31:00After a 15-touchdown, I think he had 8 or 9 rushing yards

31:04as well, or 8 or 9 rushing touchdowns as well, but 15 touchdowns,

31:088 picks, and winning record. He had a really nice playoff game against Minnesota.

31:12The Giants were caught between a rock and a hard place. In reality,

31:16they should have probably just let him walk, given Saquon

31:20a two- or three-year deal at the time, and then drafted a quarterback. They obviously

31:24didn't do that. It was a bad quarterback class.

31:28Last year, they tried to get away from Daniel Jones. They

31:32tried to trade with the Patriots. We saw it on hard knocks. They wanted Drake May. They wanted

31:36Jayden Daniels.

31:40Here's my issue with how the Giants handled this thing. Very similar to

31:44it's really homegrown Russell Wilson. Huge dead cap hit.

31:48The injury guarantee. A couple of different things don't sit right with me.

31:52Why did you plan this long if he was

31:56the problem? Kind of arrogant, in my opinion,

32:00to continue to, week after week, send him out there knowing

32:04he's an issue. No one has any bones about it. He's been an issue

32:08this year. But if you're so comfortable, why are you so comfortable

32:12being bad again? That's, to me, where I struggle.

32:16How arrogant are you that you think your job is so safe

32:20after a year in which you picked in the top six?

32:24We talked about the Jets. The arrogance.

32:28Not for nothing, there's very real chance that come

32:32January 8th or January 9th is Black Monday in the NFL.

32:36What if Bill Belichick starts really

32:40getting in people's ear with the Maras and the Tish's and says,

32:44I take this job. If it's open, I'm just telling you, I'll take it.

32:48I'll fix this thing. I'll draft the quarterbacks.

32:52Cam Ward or Jalen Miller, whatever it is.

32:56Quinn Ewers, whoever the guy is. We're going to go sign Darnold and we'll bridge it.

33:00I can win 11 games with this team next year. Watch.

33:04You're all of a sudden out of a job. That's what's going to happen.

33:08I think I like him a little better as an OC than I do as a head coach.

33:12He's one coach of the year. I'm not crapping on him.

33:16I like Joe Shane. I like the process generally.

33:20Deontay Banks, bad signing.

33:24I don't know.

33:28Evan Neal, colossal bust. Andrew Thomas gave him the big deal.

33:32He's played seven games since they gave him the deal in two years.

33:36That's not great.

33:40For context,

33:44they'll get out of $78 million they owed him over the next two years.

33:48$22 million dead cap next year.

33:52They'll get out of the $23 million injury guarantee.

33:56There's $67 million in dead cap the Giants will accrue for this.

34:00It's the same as cutting him in March, I guess.

34:04There was a moment there where I think from what I saw,

34:08at least from some reputable people, Jones was willing to waive his injury guarantee.

34:12You had him run the scout team yesterday. That doesn't really bother me.

34:16We all played football. It happens. I was hurt when I was hurt in college.

34:20It's what you do, right? Hey, you're not playing this week.

34:24Can you go through, walk through, and stand there as a body? Sure.

34:28It's more that they cut him.

34:32I mean, I was at the table today. We didn't expect this.

34:36Do you want the guy to... What?

34:40That's to me where, buddy, I don't...

34:44That comment made no sense to me whatsoever.

34:48You're benching the guy. Everybody knows you're benching the guy.

34:52You're not going back to him. You signed Tim Boyle to be the third quarterback.

34:56Daniel Jones, most teams

35:00in this situation just say, just go home.

35:04You don't have to come to the building. You're still going to get your check.

35:08But we don't need you playing safety on the scout team.

35:12We're not going to do that. We'll give you that respect

35:16that we're not going to do that to you no matter how it worked. And for him to say that,

35:20you didn't think he was going to go to tomorrow who he has a good

35:24relationship with and say, hey, John, what the hell?

35:28Give me a chance to start someplace fresh.

35:32You're going to cut me anyway, to your point. The money doesn't really matter.

35:36You're still going to be on the hook for what you're going to be on the hook for.

35:40So, yeah. But there's an interesting part

35:44of it then that says to me, again, sort of as Mara

35:48is starting to waver on the whole table, Shane gets another year

35:52by granting Daniel Jones the release.

35:56I don't know. The Bill Belichick to the Giants

36:00thing would be fascinating in a million ways.

36:04I've heard people say that there would be no appetite for him coming back

36:08like this in years past. But now that your franchise has bottomed out again

36:12and to your point, probably in a top five position again, maybe

36:16who knows the way things are going, you end up with the number one pick in the draft.

36:20Bill will turn that, by the way, into a one, two,

36:24three threes, four fours, five fives

36:28in 2026, 28, 29. But

36:32that's a lot of capital to play with and a chance to sort of

36:36if you hit it right, to rebuild pretty quickly.

36:40I don't want to say the Giants are irrelevant,

36:44but as you said, they just keep

36:48losing. They had this one little blip with

36:52Abel in the first year, but what was it before that? What is it now?

36:56I don't know that we've even talked about the Giants once since the season

37:00started on the spot. Maybe Malik Neighbors.

37:04Maybe at some point we were just talking about how good the rookie class had started off and maybe Neighbors

37:08got a mention. But as a group, I know, as a group, we never said

37:12the Giants game is a big game this week. Nope, they haven't played a big game since

37:16Abel's first year. Daniel Jones was just listed on the

37:20Cowboys roster. People are getting, well, yeah, there's a lot

37:24of buzz about it. I just

37:28Googled it. If you search Daniel Jones Cowboys

37:32on Google, the Cowboys website pops up

37:36with roster Daniel Jones' name listed. They must have deleted it,

37:40but it's still up. It's quite comical.

37:44I would love nothing more than Daniel Jones to start against the Giants

37:48in seven days or six days' time.

37:52Yeah, someone is messing around because he's

37:56on waivers until four on Monday. And no one's

38:00obviously going to take that contract. So he's going to pass through and then

38:04not a real possibility. Danny Dimes versus Tommy

38:08Kutlitz on Thanksgiving. I just wanted this

38:12one last thing on the Giants because I want to move on to a couple of these games.

38:16The Tommy DeVito thing, I don't mean to be a hater here, and I'm going to sound like I'm being

38:20an ass, but I get it. He's awful. It's a fun

38:24story. It was a fun story last year.

38:28Him beating the Patriots last year and the Packers cost the Giants

38:32Drake May and Jayne Daniels.

38:36If I'm Drew Locke, I'm red hot. I'm like, you should have cut me

38:40too. Why am I here? I'd ask for my

38:44release this morning. I could go play for the Raiders right now. I could

38:48go sign with whoever. I don't know. I could go sign with whoever and

38:52hope that I can latch on as a backup. I can go sign with Philly right now and say, I know

38:56I'm better than Kenny Pickett. I want to make the playoff roster and God

39:00forbid something happens to Jalen Hurts, I got you. What are we doing?

39:04Fun story. This felt like

39:08my conspiracy is like Dable and Shane want

39:12Drew Locke to be able to play because it's like, see, we couldn't do anything

39:16about these awful quarterbacks. It's all ownership's fault.

39:20What do you want us to do? You signed Drew Locke to be the backup when you knew

39:24you were going to have a problem this year or you knew it was a potential problem.

39:28There's no way that Brian Dable watched

39:32the tape of these two and was like, yeah, Cutlet's time.

39:36There's no shot. Quick tweet from

39:40Dan Duggan who covers the Giants, the athletic. His read on the Daniel Jones

39:44release is mutually beneficial, but the Giants weren't going to make the first move.

39:48Jones was fine showing up every day and going through the motions as QB4.

39:52They would have gone along with that, but once he asked out, they obviously were going to grant him

39:56that wish. So there is that.

40:00The Giants will certainly be in the market for a quarterback

40:04probably too this offseason and

40:08like a coach and a general manager as well. Let's go to

40:12what I think, for me at least, is the

40:16game of the week, and some would argue this, but 49ers at Packers.

40:20Packers came off the bye, didn't look great.

40:24Have to block a field goal against Chicago to win the game.

40:2849ers obviously have now lost

40:32three of their last four losses by three points or fewer. They lose another division game

40:36eight to the Seahawks last week. And now

40:40Brock Purdy, limited in practice on Thursday

40:44with a shoulder, unknown if he goes.

40:48Nick Bosa, Trent Williams also did not practice on Thursday.

40:52Bosa doesn't appear like he's going to be playing this week.

40:56At 5-5, even though they're just

41:00a game out of first place in the division, although they are

41:04what's their record here in the division? I think they're one in three in the division.

41:08So you're going to lose pretty much every tiebreaker in the division.

41:12They got to start stacking some wins together. We keep expecting it to turn

41:16and it's not turned for them. They're not

41:20the same football team. I think you talked about this when we did the preview

41:24pod way back in August. They played a lot of football.

41:28They're relying on a lot of guys that have been injury prone in the past. You're seeing

41:32those injuries pop up. You're seeing sort of the attrition of playing all that football pop up.

41:36And it's, is this it? Is this like the last hurrah for

41:40this group? And is it just going to go away with like a sputter?

41:44Or are they going to be able to make one last push and find themselves in the postseason dance

41:48in January? Yeah, there's a couple things there. I think

41:52this is like one of those odd games where both

41:56teams, I think the expectations vary for very varying reasons.

42:00Both teams have dealt with a myriad of injuries.

42:04This game feels bigger for the Niners.

42:08It's weird because the division for the Niners, even if they lose this

42:12is still gettable. But you get to a point where it's like

42:16is this just the end of an era

42:20here? A lot of talented guys.

42:24Are we next year talking about

42:28hey, a full, full reset and like let's

42:32at least kind of sell off almost all of our big pieces. We take one bad year

42:36and then we go back to it because we know we can. I've seen a lot of talk of

42:40is this it for Kyle Shanahan? There's a lot

42:44of Andy Reid in Philly vibes where it's like jeez, how'd you not get, you know, how'd they never

42:48win a title? And these teams are amazing every year. And you know, the big game

42:52like always the big game conversations. The late game stuff with Andy Reid.

42:56The late game stuff with Kyle Shanahan. Offensive mind. A lot of parallels.

43:00Letting Kyle Shanahan walk out of that building would be

43:04idiotic and he's more than just the head coach

43:08in that building. But

43:12there's a lot of frustration with this Niners fan base. I think built up over a six, seven year

43:16period here where they've almost won three titles and

43:20they haven't. And it's like just you almost sometimes you hit

43:24a wall. It's like they did such a good job of coming back from that NFC title

43:28loss two years ago where they started off a similar way

43:32they started off this year. But I just, they're not as good

43:36defensively this year. They're not as good offensively. They've got

43:40so many guys that have gotten hurt. The depth is not the same.

43:44They're losing these games they shouldn't be losing. I don't know.

43:48They might surprise us and they come out on Sunday afternoon and they look

43:52fantastic. But something tells me this might be the

43:56like Debo's probably done here after the year. McCaffrey's got I believe

44:00one more year if I'm not mistaken. They're going to have to pay Purdy at some point.

44:04I don't know. Trent Williams

44:08kind of feels year by year. It's like

44:12I don't know. I'm just at a loss with the Niners because I feel like

44:16I thought they'd regress to like ten and seven. But I also didn't think McCaffrey would miss

44:20a year. Now he's come back. He doesn't have the same

44:24burst. Aiyuk obviously done for the year. Debo is not the same player anymore.

44:28Trent Williams is amazing still. But we know he's probably

44:32I don't know. Something's off obviously. And then you look at

44:36Green Bay and it's like they're not going to catch Detroit in my opinion unless

44:40maybe things could happen. I don't know. They got him one more time obviously.

44:44This feels like if you're Green Bay. This is huge. If I can

44:48quasi know I'm over the Niners no matter

44:52what happens the rest of the year. You know what I mean? That's to me. And I also

44:56feel like when you look at Green Bay and I just think

45:00it's looked good. It hasn't looked

45:04unbelievable. I know they're seven and three. But it felt like they got a little

45:08lucky last weekend. The Lions felt like they steamrolled

45:12them. It was close against Jacksonville. It probably

45:16shouldn't have been. They had Niners, Dolphins, and Lions.

45:20Not easy. You could easily lose two

45:24of the three. And all of a sudden you're staring at like are we

45:28going to be a ten and seven team and be a six seed seven? They don't want that.

45:32They want to be the five. You're going head

45:36to head with Minnesota who's already beaten you.

45:40Not for nothing Minnesota's got harder games

45:44but Minnesota's got Chicago.

45:48Arizona tough but good match up honestly for Minnesota

45:52the way they play physically. Atlanta

45:56I don't know what team you're going to get with Atlanta. Chicago again. Seattle.

46:00I don't know. This game's juicy but

46:04I felt like going into the year this could have been a title game preview.

46:08I don't know. The Niners could get hot. They have the pedigree to do so and Green Bay did it last year.

46:12This was literally an elite playoff game last year.

46:16Something doesn't feel great. I'll say

46:20that either. I don't know if Detroit's just skewed my brain so much this year

46:24where everybody looks like crap because Detroit's looked so good.

46:28The Niners need this one. I know it's in Green Bay but

46:32five and six is just and two losses.

46:36You start to really look at it and it's like man I don't know.

46:40I know the Rams have Philly this week but there's a good chance

46:44it's seven and four, six and five, six and five and you're sitting at five and six

46:48and having lost in division games you're kind of in a bad spot. You're not making a wild

46:52card. Maybe you do but probably not at nine and eight. I don't know if this is the year

46:56to get in if you keep losing these tiebreakers.

47:00On the Packers, doesn't look like J.R. Alexander's going to play this week.

47:04P.C. Altair and his knee might be multiple weeks for him. I do want to point out

47:08their offense has gone 20 or fewer points in back-to-back and that was splitting the bye week.

47:12Kind of felt like last week they'd come back even though Chicago's defense is pretty good and

47:16after the bye week be refreshed and be explosive but we're still waiting

47:20on the second half of Jordan Love from last year to show up this year.

47:24Just a few numbers for you. One touchdown pass over

47:28the last three games for Love. Obviously been dealing with the groin in addition to

47:32the knee thing. Per NextGenStats

47:36he is 31st out of ranked passers on third downs.

47:4034th versus man-to-man. Dead last against the Blitz

47:44and 32nd in tight window throws.

47:48He's got to lock in

47:52if they're going to be what we thought they could be. At various points

47:56there's been a couple moments this season where we're like, oh yeah, that's the team

48:00that's going to be really dangerous. Again, to your point, plenty of football left

48:04still can get dangerous. If he gets hot they're going to have the chance to be that team because

48:08he was that good in the second half last year.

48:12As important as it is for San Francisco with the way their defense is, this feels like a game where

48:16Jordan could find his mojo back again and if he didn't

48:20I'd start to worry if I was Green Bay.

48:24That's just my thoughts on that. We'll get to the last one here.

48:28I never thought that we'd be talking about this game in week 12. The 6-4 Cardinals

48:32going to visit the 5-5 Seattle Seahawks in Seattle.

48:36The Hawks win this game and the Rams lose to Philly.

48:40Seattle would descend to first place. Arizona currently in first place.

48:44Arizona 2-0 in the division. Seattle 1-2 in the division.

48:48Critical on a bunch of different fronts. By the way, the second best record in the division

48:52in terms of divisional play are the Rams. Your guys at 2-1

48:56in the division. As I mentioned earlier, Niners 1-3 in the

49:00NFC West. I look at this one. Arizona's

49:04dangerous. They're a dangerous team. They're playing well.

49:08They're playing confident. I still don't love their defense, but the way their offense is

49:12playing, the way Kyler's playing, it's been pointed out in a bunch of different places.

49:16Orlowski's gone bananas for Kyler. I think he's playing

49:20the best quarterback in the league right now. I actually think this comes down to

49:24can Arizona run the football in Seattle? Arizona's been great running the

49:28football this year with obviously Kyler and what he brings to the table, but James Conner.

49:325-1 when Conner goes over 100 scrimmage yards in a game.

49:3668 forced missed tackles. That leads the league as well

49:40for Conner. They're averaging 150 yards per game. Seattle gives

49:44up a ton per game. They haven't yet fixed their problems. They've already

49:48bounced Tyrell Dotson, one of their starting linebackers. He's out. They made a trade

49:52for a DT. They're doing all sorts of different things here to try to shore up that defense

49:56as Mike McDonald tries to find the right pieces. It's going to be loud

50:00there. This game has a lot of juice.

50:04Honestly, I don't know which Seattle team's going to show up because they're not as

50:08good as the 3-0 start, but they weren't as bad as the

50:12stretch that they had. Geno leads them to a big win last

50:16weekend against San Francisco in San Francisco. Puts the fans to

50:20sleep. It's very nice. This was a fascinating game to me.

50:24I'm really curious to see what Gannon's got in his second

50:28year versus what McDonald's got in his first year as head coach. If Kyler can continue

50:32this trend, if Geno Smith can answer the call because he's certainly capable.

50:36Both teams kind of big swing game, as you

50:40mentioned. You go to 7-4 if you're Arizona with a chance

50:44of the Rams got a really tough game and the Niners got a really tough game.

50:48You take a two-game lead in the division out of nowhere.

50:52Obviously, we saw the Cardinals eviscerate the Rams

50:56in Week 2. I'm interested to see this game from

51:00two point of views. One, you mentioned the coaches. I feel like Seattle

51:04might be done. I'll talk about this, but

51:08starting to take on his identity. They're starting to play a little bit closer

51:12to what he's looking for,

51:16obviously. Then I look at the other

51:20side of the coin. In Arizona, first time all year, starting to get a lot

51:24of praise. They beat the piss out of the Jets.

51:28Things calmed down. Kyler's in New York creating pizza

51:32with some random dude and the whole thing.

51:36I got a little expectation. Now it's a little bit of

51:40first time all year, you're the hunted, not the hunter.

51:44I'm curious how that's going to look.

51:48I always think there's big swing points and seasons.

51:52I just wondered to myself,

51:56with Seattle, this was like a, hey, you weren't supposed to win this game. You eked it out out of nowhere.

52:00Who are you as a team? Arizona,

52:04Rex Ryan's going on PMT today talking about how

52:08they're one of the five scariest teams to go try to win a title this year because of the physicality

52:12they play with and all these different things. Dude, we were not talking about

52:16Arizona this way four or five weeks ago.

52:20I want to see how each team responds.

52:24Both of these quarterbacks are very

52:28feels like just a lot of this. It's a lot of up and down.

52:32Mostly up this year for Kyler, obviously.

52:36Gino's been a little over the place. Which guy doesn't make the crucial turnover?

52:40Which team establishes a physical presence in the line of scrimmage

52:44in this football game? I'd be really impressed if Arizona takes another one here.

52:48They're 7-4. They've now beaten everyone in the division.

52:52They've got some good wins. Even their losses.

52:56Looking back, the Buffalo game, they actually looked really good in the first half early on

53:00in the year. You look back at some of these games, you're like, oh, you smoked Chicago, smoked

53:04the Jets, smoked the Rams. The Niners game was exciting.

53:08I'm excited for this one. I just think there's a classic NFC North.

53:12I mean, NFC West. I apologize. Establish a line of scrimmage.

53:16Kind of beat each other's face in a little bit. And which quarterback makes the least mistakes.

53:20Yeah, I agree 100%. It's a fun game. It could really be

53:24for Arizona, sort of a statement type win. Even though, again,

53:28Seattle's 5-5. Just in terms of where the program is headed and how they played

53:32this season. Just quickly,

53:36who do you got in the Harbaugh Bowl? Jim or

53:40John? I'm going to go Chargers.

53:44I just, feels like the Ravens

53:48are just in that, there's one, again, I know it's always one of two things,

53:52but the Ravens finally figured out

53:56the pass defense last week, but they didn't play Justin Herbert. And I feel

54:00like the Chargers, the line of scrimmage, are just as physical as the Ravens are.

54:04And I, I don't know. I just,

54:08does Jesse Minter have something in his bag for a guy that, he probably called

54:12it Mike McDonald, like, hey man, you went against this guy in practice, what do I do?

54:16What am I going to do here?

54:20Yeah, I don't know. The Chargers need this game a little more, I feel like.

54:24Just because, again, not as talented of a team. You got to get any type of win.

54:28You're the Chargers. We talked about them, because they win a playoff game. You win this one,

54:32you're kind of in the driver's seat for that five seat.

54:36Now you're like, ooh, I could be Houston on the road.

54:40Now another team upsets another team. I'm not going to have to play

54:44Kansas City. I don't know. I just, I like, Chargers feel

54:48hungry right now, and I feel like they almost Chargered themselves last week, and the fact

54:52that they didn't gives me confidence that maybe they've, that was a

54:56ooh, not the same old Chargers. No, no, we survived.

55:00Joey Bosa was making that point, like, let's not be the same

55:04old Chargers, and there was a moment there where it looked like it was going in that

55:08direction, and they pulled it out. I like the way you're thinking

55:12there. I'm a little down on the Ravens right now and the way they're playing and their inability to

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56:28Justin Herbert.

56:32Rushing yards more than 18.5. I think you've seen it. He's healthy

56:36now and he is willing and able to run the football and run it effectively.

56:40Play man, you turn your back on him. He doesn't like what he sees and

56:44quite frankly, some of his receivers have a hard time getting open. Tuck it and run.

56:48He had some big runs against Cincinnati.

56:52DeAndre Swift against the Minnesota defense. I'm going to take the

56:56less than 55.5 rushing yards for him.

57:00They've been sort of a stop and start team all year long with the run game.

57:04And a couple more from that Patriots Dolphins game. Drake made more than 221.5

57:08yards passing. I think they're kind of at that stage now where they're just letting them be

57:12free a little bit more. Let them launch the football. And I think there's going to be

57:16a need to score points in this game. And I think that's going to

57:20necessitate him

57:24Chuck on the rock and finally Hunter Henry more than 44.5 yards

57:28receiving. What do you got? Drake made more

57:32in terms of rushing yards. I just think that similar to you

57:36I just like the way he runs the football

57:40and I think he'll do more than enough

57:44of that. I also like Kyler Murray more rushing yards. I think this is

57:48going to be a game where he's going to have to use his legs

57:52create a little bit and kind of

57:56get out there and kind of do some

58:00good different stuff there. I also, Christian Watson

58:04less receiving yards. Sorry, less receiving yards.

58:08I just feel like the Niners need this game so badly

58:12and I feel like the weather and snow in there

58:16and the whole thing. I don't know. I could see this being a smash mouth

58:20Kyle being like, I don't know how long McCaffrey's going to be here.

58:24Here's 67 touches and we're going to control the clock.

58:28Those are my three. Watson less receiving yards.

58:32Drake made more rushing yards. Kyler Murray more

58:36rushing attempts as well. Drake made more passing. Hunter Henry more

58:40receiving. DeAndre Swift less rushing. Justin Herbert

58:44more rushing. And that is going to put a wrap on this week's

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