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Bob Ryan and Gary Tanguay discuss the latest news surrounding the Celtics and the NBA as a whole. With All-Star reserves set to be revealed tonight, Jaylen Brown faces some tough competition. Does he deserve a nod? Plus, Adam Silver discussed some potential rule changes. Should the league actually implement them?

0:00 - Intro
0:38 - Celtics vs. Bulls Reaction
3:55 - Jaylen an All-Star?
8:29 - Andre Iguodala Jersey Retirement
9:20 - Is Allen Iverson Top 20 All-Time?
10:26 - PrizePicks
12:35 - 10-Minute NBA Quarters?
13:30 - NBA Should Only Have 2 Refs!
17:55 - Why Are Ratings Down?
24:34 - Gametime
26:18 - Brian Scalabrine Story
27:30 - Jimmy Butler Update


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Transcript
00:00Time for the Bob Ryan, Gary Tangway podcast here on CNS Media and as always we are brought
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00:28All right, Robert, Celtics, they have been up and down all season.
00:32That continued with the Bulls' win.
00:35Just some thoughts from you on the game.
00:37You know, they're doing a win-one-lose-one scenario now for a month, basically, after
00:45a 16-3 start and they're playing shorthanded right now and when you don't have Hauser this
00:52means that you only have one guy coming off the bench who's there to score specifically
00:57and that's Pritchard, who is doing his job.
01:00Pritchard continues to be a beacon of light on this team.
01:03That's fine.
01:04They do miss Hauser and Horford's not playing.
01:07They're getting a little more time from people, but the point is, they're teasing us now.
01:12They're officially annoying.
01:13You know, when you see them play like that last night, it angers you now.
01:16All right, why aren't we seeing this more often?
01:19You know, because last year we saw that all the time.
01:22You have to step back and take a deep breath and say, okay, they're not fully whole and
01:27no, it's hardly the only team in the league.
01:30Everybody's got injuries.
01:31I understand that.
01:32That's why you have to take everything at face value, you know, at that time and not
01:42worry too much.
01:43But that was Przingis.
01:45We just end with that.
01:46You can't ask more than the guy in the net.
01:51The guy was tremendous last night and it reminds you how important he is.
01:54That's all.
01:55And he says he's even not yet 100% feeling, you know, some nights he feels a little bit
02:00better than others, but he's not there yet and he's confident he's going to feel good.
02:03And of course, we all know that he's injury prone and you just hope that he doesn't trip
02:11over the foul line some night, you know, every time and, you know, and worry and hurt himself.
02:16But anyway, you want to see more like last night.
02:20Now, I'll say this.
02:21If they don't beat the New Orleans who are horrible, then we have every right to be angry.
02:28But they're not reliable yet.
02:31That's a word I love to use about them.
02:32They're not reliable right now.
02:34They're very iffy and that's who they are right now.
02:37It doesn't matter right now ultimately.
02:38It's what matters.
02:39Yeah, I'm just not comfortable with that.
02:42It's almost February.
02:43Yeah.
02:44Yeah.
02:45Let's turn on the jets a little bit, fellas.
02:47We're officially past the halfway point and, you know, the off the game should be at the
02:51half point mark, which it once was, but it no longer is.
02:55But anyway, so that's that.
02:56So it was almost wire to wire.
02:59It was pretty close to wire to wire last night and now, were the Bulls fully stocked?
03:06No.
03:07Zach Levine, who hit them for what, 36 last time?
03:10Right.
03:11Did not play.
03:12So you got to, you know, weigh that one in too.
03:15So for what it really meant.
03:17So if you want to get one great takeaway, we'll say Porzingis, yes, Porzingis was wonderful
03:22last night and if he can play two thirds of that, we'll be in good shape.
03:28Well, what's happening with the Celtics now, Bob, and we saw it against Houston, is that
03:32there are some players, Zach Levine being a prime example, is they circle the Celtics
03:37on their calendar and they're very capable of having a season high or a career high against
03:41them.
03:42That's what happens when people look to beat the King and that's something they have not,
03:46not as a storm, they have not weathered this year.
03:48Dylan Brooks certainly was exhibit A on that one.
03:50Yeah.
03:51No question.
03:52So that's a very good point.
03:53Yes.
03:54Yeah.
03:55All right.
03:56Moving right along now.
03:57You have some numbers regarding Jalen Brown and his chance to be an all-star.
03:58Yeah.
03:59I mean, I'm looking at the competition, okay?
04:02And I've identified 10 people that, 10 other guys, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 other
04:09guys, 11?
04:101, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
04:14Okay.
04:16And the frontcourt of this competition is Evan Mobley, Jared Allen, both from the same
04:21team, of course, Cleveland, and Pascal Siakam of Indiana, who I think is pretty much a lock.
04:31And Bam, okay?
04:32Bam.
04:33Bam.
04:34Bam.
04:35Bam.
04:36And the backcourt of this competition for a spot is Garland in Cleveland, Trey Young,
04:42huge league in assists, but is in great danger of not making this list due to his disappointing
04:50shooting percentages, mostly.
04:52Tyler Hero is having a better year than people don't realize, Lillard, Damian Lillard, and
04:59my guy, Maxie.
05:00I don't know how you can keep him out.
05:01He's averaging 30 points a game in the last 10.
05:03Granted, in the big hall, he's only shooting only, quote, unquote, 34% on threes and 43
05:09six overall.
05:11So that could be held against him.
05:13And then there's Bam, who's averaging, numbers don't really reflect this whole value, but
05:1815 points a game and 10 rebounds.
05:21Jalen Brown is averaging 23 points as we speak, six rebounds and 4.8 assists, shooting 45%
05:28overall and 32 on threes.
05:33But again, it's not always all about numbers.
05:36We know he can defend.
05:38We know his strong personality.
05:41We know he's got credentials because he's got a ring and he's got a finals MVP.
05:46And I will be a little surprised if he doesn't make it.
05:51I've seen a couple of other NBA writers making their choices and they've had him in the group.
05:58But I'm just saying, if he doesn't, the competition is pretty good.
06:04I think there are three, for me, you know, we're talking about seven spots, okay, that's
06:10five starters.
06:11By the way, the starters, for people who don't know, are Giannis, Tatum, Towns, Grunson,
06:17and Mitchell.
06:18Okay, those are the five starters.
06:20They need seven other guys.
06:22I'm going to, I think Moby's a lock.
06:24I think Kate Huntingham is definitely a lock.
06:26That young man is having a wonderful game year right now.
06:30I think Siakam is a lock.
06:33To me, Maxie should be a lock.
06:35And that's for sure.
06:36That's four.
06:37And then we got, that would leave him in competition with Garland, Allen, Trey Young, Tyler Hero,
06:44and Bam Adebayo.
06:47Given all that, I think he's going to make it.
06:50I think.
06:51I think he's going to make it too.
06:52But the NBA finals MVP and a person that was upset that he didn't make the Olympic team
06:57should not be in competition with Tyler Hero.
07:00Well, Tyler's a hell of a shooter.
07:02He's a hell of a player.
07:03Don't get me wrong.
07:04But if Jalen wants to be thought of at a certain level, like, and they're all, look, they're
07:10all heroes.
07:11They're all very good players, but you get what I'm saying?
07:13I think when all-stars, I mean, I've always said this a hundred times in any sport.
07:17And I, you know what, you're going to have, if he doesn't make it, you know what the verb
07:21and the headline is going to be.
07:22Oh yeah.
07:23It's going to be snub.
07:24Yeah.
07:25And that's an appropriate use of a word because it's not snub, it's tough choice.
07:29Tough choices.
07:30That's not a snub.
07:31That's a tough choice.
07:32There's going to be, there's going to be outrage somewhere by somebody.
07:37But Bob, based on what we've seen from him and the, we know what he's capable of.
07:43Should he be in a position of being snubbed?
07:45I say no.
07:46All right.
07:47Well, I, I, I would, I would agree to that.
07:50I think he's, when you've risen to the top of the mountain as he did last year, then
07:56I think that's, that that's your extra tiebreaker, maybe call it whatever you want to call it,
08:02the tiebreaker perhaps, you know?
08:05So, so that's that.
08:06So we'll want to find out, but we are, like Eddie Curry said, like Eddie Curry said, efforts
08:14are funny things.
08:15Sometimes you have it, sometimes you don't.
08:17I just thought of something quickly in my mind about finals MVP.
08:23We must congratulate one where he's going to have his jersey retired and that's Andre
08:28Iguodala.
08:29Oh yeah.
08:30Don't forget that he was an MVP in a, in a finals.
08:33Golden State.
08:34I mean, they don't win it without him.
08:36No, a heart and soul kind of player, you know, it's kind of like, it was an Al Horford kind
08:41of level player, you know, and, and he had a great finals and he made it and he's going
08:46to have his jersey retired, which I think is a nice thing.
08:50He was the other AI.
08:53In Philly, he was the other AI.
08:54Oh yes.
08:55Of course.
08:56Every time I see AI, how can you not think of, you know, the little guy who was always
09:03Allen Iverson who legalized palming, his legacy for basketball was he made palming legitimate.
09:09And I'm telling you, it's true.
09:11He got away with it more than anybody now.
09:13What's that?
09:14Kids walk up to him.
09:15Oh my God.
09:16I hate it.
09:17I hate it.
09:18But anyway, AI, that's AI for me.
09:20Is, uh, is Iverson a top 20 player of all time?
09:24I think it's going to be top 20.
09:26I'd have a hard time.
09:28He's not top 10.
09:29No, my God.
09:30No, no.
09:31But he's 20.
09:32He said, yeah, I think it's a good argument could be made.
09:34He was a tough, really as tough a competitor, not competitor, physically tough.
09:41He put his life on the line.
09:42Every time he went to the basket, he wasn't a big guy.
09:45He took, he took a pounding.
09:47He did.
09:48He was gutsy.
09:49You know, there was a lot to like about him and he, he, he had a huge following.
09:54He had a huge following.
09:56Kids loved him.
09:57Oh yeah.
09:58He loved him.
09:59I would say in his time, the only guy beloved by the youth of America who cared about NBA
10:04more was Kobe himself.
10:06I think.
10:07Oh yeah.
10:08There's no doubt.
10:09He was a fan favorite.
10:10But I think that AI was, was a fan of, you know, he's got that going for him too.
10:14Okay.
10:15Talking about practice, Bob, we're talking about practice.
10:17Great.
10:18Talking about practice.
10:19Yeah.
10:20Okay.
10:21He and Jim Moore.
10:22Yeah.
10:23Yeah.
10:24Yeah.
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12:36The 10 minute quarters has been tossed out, which I can you, why?
12:41Here's the explanation given by Adam Silver, who floated this in a radio interview.
12:47Quote, putting aside what it would mean for records and things like that.
12:52Yeah, I think that a two hour format for a game is more consistent for modern television
12:58habits.
12:59Silver later adding, I don't think most fans would be disappointed if it was a two hour
13:05presentation.
13:06This is the first time I've ever heard this proposed.
13:10He's out of his mind.
13:11No, no, no, no, no, no.
13:15If he's worried about the two hour presentation and they can't go backwards.
13:19But the problem, we all know the final two minutes of an NBA game can last as long as
13:24a quarter, right?
13:25It goes on forever.
13:28It's the third ref.
13:30It's the third ref.
13:32If we had two refs, there wouldn't be as many whistles.
13:35You let them play, you're fine.
13:37But the third ref, it's just being like a wingman on a date.
13:41You feel left out, you got to make a call.
13:46That's the problem.
13:47It's funny you mentioned that because my longtime theory, I'm not in total agreement with you,
13:51but we're thinking in the same general lines.
13:53I have said for years, the difference between three referees in the NBA and three referees
13:57in college is that the referees in the NBA, they're on a contract.
14:03They're not reffing game to game.
14:06It's a rule.
14:07They're on a contract.
14:08They're going to play.
14:09They're going to work.
14:10If they stink and they get thrown out at the end of the year, that's one thing, but they're
14:13going to have a job.
14:14They're going to referee tomorrow night, okay?
14:17College?
14:18Uh-uh.
14:19Conferences?
14:20You might have a contract with a conference, but at any point, I think three college referees
14:27or I call it a referee by egg timer.
14:31If I haven't made a call in X minutes, I'm going to find something because it'll be easy
14:36to find something off the ball.
14:38I want the conference commissioner to know I was on the job and let people know you're
14:44there.
14:45I mean it.
14:49You're saying you think that's the case in the NBA, too.
14:54I think with the NBA, your point is right that they're on the contract, but I look at
14:59it as ego.
15:00I just don't think they need three refs.
15:03Never have.
15:04Never believed in it.
15:05I think that's what slows down the game.
15:07Well, I think two good refs are a lot better than three bad ones.
15:13No question.
15:14I mean, Bob, did you, Bob, in all your years of covering the sport and you knew some of
15:19the great refs, Kerritson and Rudolph and Joey and all them.
15:23Did you ever sit there and say, damn it, we need another ref?
15:27Never.
15:28Never.
15:29It broke in.
15:30We had the Hall of Famers of Mindy Rudolph and Richie Powers and John Vannick.
15:38I mean, on and on, you know, and Jake O'Donnell, Jack Maggie, you know, yeah, you know, yeah.
15:44No, they held, you know, the night that the famous Dr. J and Larry Scuffle, you know,
15:54Jack Madden got hurt in the first period and Dickie Bevetta had to referee the whole game
15:57by himself.
15:58And, you know what the players did?
16:00The players, they adjusted to, they tried to make the life easier for him that night.
16:06They didn't do some of the borderline things, the stupid things anyway.
16:11And by the way, Dan Shaughnessy had one of the great lines ever about Dick Bevetta, who
16:19had yet to acquire his reputation, you know, he said, having Dick Bevetta referee that
16:25game was like putting Barney Fife in charge of the Hill Street Precinct.
16:29So for those of you younger people, the Hill Street Precinct was a wonderful cop show back
16:36in the 70s.
16:37Oh, Bosco.
16:38It was Bosco's first show.
16:39And you know, hey, here we go down Tangway's, Tangway's Tunnel, David Milch was a writer
16:44on that show.
16:45Yes.
16:46Loved Hill Street.
16:47Well, I guess now I've got, now the theme song is running into my head.
16:52Even, I just lost, David Milch was a writer on that show and the creator of the Sopranos.
16:57I just.
16:58Oh, I know.
16:59I know.
17:00I know.
17:01I know.
17:02I know.
17:03Okay.
17:04I read the book.
17:05He was a, he was a writer on Hill Street.
17:06David, David.
17:07Well, Dan gets credit for one of the great lines.
17:08Yeah.
17:09It is a great line.
17:10Yeah.
17:11So anyway, we, Silver, this is the only place, it stays in the New York Post, give me credit.
17:16I haven't seen this anywhere else, but it's from a radio interview.
17:19And naturally the first, it was not, it did not go over well with either Mike Malone or
17:25Tom Thibodeau.
17:26They were quoted in here.
17:28Certainly not.
17:29Oh, I like it.
17:30Malone said, I hope we don't go to the four point line.
17:32I hope we don't become Barnum and Bailey where we're just having to do whatever we have to
17:36do to keep viewership.
17:37The point of this is apparently the ratings are down on television, although the tendencies
17:42are not, you know, real people spending real money to see the NBA.
17:48It's doing fine, but TV ratings appear to be down.
17:52I'll tell you why the TV ratings are down, and this is, this is where Adam Silver is
17:57making a mistake in, I see it, I see it in corporate America, sit down, Bob, I'm going
18:07to be a while.
18:08I see it in corporate America.
18:10I see it everywhere.
18:12People are cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, as opposed to improve, improve, improve, improve, improve.
18:18What they want to do is they want to cut budgets because they want to increase profit, but
18:22yet they decrease the value of the product.
18:25You see this in education across the board.
18:27It's a major problem.
18:28It's a major problem.
18:30Furthermore, what Silver wants to do, because I know the ratings game is he wants to have
18:34the ratings higher because he'll have less of a sample.
18:38So the ratings will be higher.
18:39Obviously, if there's more of a sample, the ratings could be lower.
18:42So he wants to say, he wants to take off eight minutes to have a higher rating.
18:47Well, the reality is, is while I love the game and you love the game is right now, the
18:53game doesn't have a true number one superstar.
18:58Like there's no LeBron, even if there's LeBron, but he's on the back nine.
19:03He's still great.
19:05But now you have a plethora of guys.
19:08You have, you have a, I mean, we talk about it on any given night, Bob, you can turn on
19:13a game and see a great player, but the point is for the average fan, they want to identify
19:19with the one name guy, Larry, Magic, Michael, Colby, LeBron, you know, and the guys in Dallas
19:26and Denver, they don't do commercials.
19:29They're not into that stuff.
19:31You know, they're not.
19:34They're great players, but they're not celebrities.
19:36No, no, we don't have to say what I'm saying.
19:39They're not celebrities.
19:40Like LeBron was a celebrity.
19:41Michael was a celebrity.
19:42I mean, we're talking about guys that hosted Saturday Night Live.
19:47Michael Jordan.
19:48I mean, come on.
19:49With Spike Lee discovered there was Michael Jordan, you know, would have been answer was
19:53for both of them.
19:54He made, you know, he made a cartoon with Bugs Bunny.
19:57The point is, is the NBA right now doesn't have that guy, even though basketball fans
20:02like you and me see all the talent.
20:06We see the parody, right?
20:08But like, you know, Tatum's not Tatum is not that guy.
20:12We like him.
20:13This thing is because he's definitely the most popular player amongst kids, you know,
20:19is Curry closest thing, closest thing.
20:23And they're not good.
20:24But he's not.
20:25He's not Pat Mahomes.
20:26Exactly.
20:27He's not Pat Mahomes.
20:29He's not Brady.
20:31In a boredom.
20:32Yeah.
20:33I mean, he's not Pat Mahomes.
20:34You just said it like Mahomes superstar, right?
20:37The NBA doesn't have that Hollywood guy.
20:42They got great players.
20:43Don't get me wrong.
20:44I think the talent level in the league is phenomenal.
20:47I think the quality of the play is phenomenal.
20:50But the NBA does not have the red carpet sizzle that it did before.
20:55You know, one of the things, you know, at the top of the list are international players.
21:01And one of whom, Joe Kitsch, absolutely does not want any part of any of this.
21:05He just wants to.
21:06That's my point.
21:07Like if that guy, if he had a PR agent and he was doing commercials and he was joking
21:12around, maybe, but he doesn't want to do it.
21:15No, I think who would like to do it is Embiid.
21:19But you know.
21:20Great.
21:21But their team's not doing great.
21:23He would fancy himself.
21:25You know, I think he would like to assume that role.
21:26He's not even.
21:27He never will.
21:28He's not close to it, but he would like it, I think.
21:30He'd be good at it, too.
21:32You know, I don't.
21:33Giannis.
21:34You know, Giannis.
21:35I don't know.
21:36He's somewhere in the middle.
21:37He doesn't want to do it either.
21:38You know, he doesn't want to do it.
21:39Like I got.
21:40And he's having a good year.
21:42I'm such a jerk.
21:43I keep forgetting about Milwaukee.
21:45I keep forgetting about them.
21:46They're doing better now, by the way.
21:47They are.
21:48But like, how could I forget about Giannis?
21:50I mean, I'm talking about the days when, you know, Bird, Bird and Jordan were doing a McDonald's
21:57commercial from the top of the Sears Tower in Chicago.
22:01You know.
22:02Yeah.
22:03And the league doesn't have it.
22:04No.
22:05That's why.
22:06That's Adam's problem.
22:07And what he wants to do is he wants to increase the ratings by decreasing the product.
22:15He's pointing out.
22:16My GPA would have been higher in college if I took three courses instead of five.
22:22He's pointing out that the international game is 40 minutes and a college game is 40 minutes.
22:28Guess what?
22:29Fine.
22:30His game is better.
22:31All right.
22:32His game, his product is better.
22:34No, it's just a foolish thing.
22:36I hope it's just gets completely there's no way you can do that.
22:40I mean, it's the NBA.
22:41It's the best players in the world, period, 48 minutes.
22:48That's what it is.
22:49I, I, I, long ago, well, I learned about the NBA when I started covering the NBA as a lifelong
22:56college fan.
22:57But was the NBA was not set first primary for me when I started.
23:02Right.
23:03Right.
23:04Take me too long in 1969, 70 to, you know, oh, my God, this is so much better.
23:09This talent, this, this game and, and, you know, and, and at the, this, I learned that.
23:16And so I started preaching a gospel about the NBA, you know, I mean, I became an evangelist
23:22about how good the NBA is.
23:24And I said, look, I love college ball.
23:26I still love college ball.
23:27I'm going to plan to go in the final four, my 33rd or 4th, whatever it'll be.
23:31I don't know.
23:32I've been going to so many.
23:33I love it.
23:34I like it for a lot of reasons.
23:35But it's the, I say it is the high grade sirloin and the NBA is the steak is the sirloin steak,
23:41but it's the high grade sirloin burger is the college and the NBA at its best is this
23:46is the sirloin steak, the lobster, whichever is your preference.
23:49Fine.
23:50That's the fact of the matter is.
23:52And I say this too, every year, every year in the NBA, there are at least 50 games and
23:58it doesn't matter whether it's the Celtics and the Lakers in 1986, or whether it's, it's,
24:05it's New Orleans and Washington tomorrow night.
24:08All right.
24:09It could, the game is such a high level and so that if you walk and put that game in a
24:16college atmosphere with the bands and the cheerleaders and all that, okay, you'd walk
24:22out of that arena and say, that's the greatest game I ever saw in my life.
24:26No doubt.
24:27Putting these games on 50 times a year and everywhere from across the globe, across the
24:32country.
24:33That's a fact.
24:34My kids are after me to take them to a Celtics game.
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24:38Got to go to a Celtics game.
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26:18I just, I love this story.
26:20I'm kind of wedging it in here, but when Scalabrini did a promotion for a Toucher & Rich where
26:30he took on like five regular guys who had played some college ball, you know, because
26:37the whole thing that Scal was saying in the interview, I think, and Scal's a personality,
26:43you know, he's never going to get the credit.
26:45Look, if you play in the NBA, all right, you're a pretty damn good player.
26:49But Scal's a personality.
26:50We know that.
26:51And he, you know, the Celtics, he didn't play a whole lot.
26:55But like Scal was saying, you have no idea what it takes to play in the league.
27:00And he took on like these five guys and he beat all of them, 20 zip, like just destroyed
27:04them, you know, guys that had played in college, whatever.
27:07And he, and they, and Toucher & Rich did this thing on it.
27:10And that's just the point is that you have guys that were terrific college players that
27:15can't make it in the league and you're right.
27:18They should not change the time.
27:20That really disturbed.
27:21Get rid of one of the refs, but do not change the time.
27:25I hope we never have to have this discussion again.
27:27I agree.
27:28All right.
27:29Now.
27:30All right.
27:31And now you have a, let's start this segment with your magazine cover.
27:34Okay.
27:35Just so happens that I have at my disposal, laying around in my living room, the Sports
27:40Illustrated basketball preview for 23-24 for last season, 22-23, excuse me, 23-24.
27:48Yeah.
27:49Sorry.
27:50This is 24-25.
27:5125.
27:52Right.
27:53And cover boy is Jimmy Butler.
27:54And he was quote, their guest editor.
27:56They had him pick various things and they do a big feature on Jimmy Butler and it's
28:01called the NBA's most interesting man.
28:04So some of the things that you glean from the piece about who is this guy?
28:09What makes Jimmy Butler tick?
28:11Okay.
28:12Well, first of all, a guy who is not, his whole life isn't basketball.
28:17Okay.
28:18This isn't a guy who eats, sleeps, and drinks basketball.
28:20When he gets, puts on a uniform, when he goes into that gym, yeah, it's all basketball.
28:26And he's highly competitive as you can imagine.
28:28And he's one of these guys, and you hear this about people, all the people tell you he's
28:33competitive at table tennis, he's competitive at cards, he's competitive at domino.
28:39That's common.
28:41That's common.
28:42That doesn't distinguish him from countless other guys and athletes in all sports, domestic
28:48and international.
28:49But he's one of them.
28:50He's highly, highly competitive.
28:52He hates losing more than almost anyone that likes winning.
28:56That's not that uncommon.
28:58But the guy wants to live a life outside of basketball.
29:02And first of all, did you know he owns a coffee company?
29:05No.
29:06He is a coffee freak, and he has made it a business.
29:10The business is called Big Face Coffee.
29:12He founded this company in 2020.
29:15And one of the things he did in the summer of 2022 was go to Columbia, and go to his
29:22famous farm where he was learning the process of cupping, which I couldn't describe it,
29:28but it's an important process in the growth of coffee.
29:31And the farm is called La Palma y el Pucan.
29:35And he is the CEO of Big Face Coffee.
29:41And you can go Google it.
29:44Check out Big Face Coffee.
29:45Go Google it.
29:46Okay?
29:47So that's one of the things.
29:48And one of the things he does in the article is list three of his favorite coffee shops
29:52in America, one in New Orleans, one in Charlotte, and one in Philadelphia, and what he likes
29:58about the coffee shops.
30:00Did you know that he is a friend of Neymar, and he is a friend of Carlos Alvarez?
30:09Soccer players?
30:10Carlos Alvarez, tennis.
30:11Tennis.
30:12Tennis.
30:13Neymar, the great Brazilian soccer player.
30:16And they're friends.
30:17And he likes soccer.
30:18He loves tennis.
30:19And one year, he, according to this piece, and he was a ball boy, you know, jokingly,
30:26but he did it for a while at the U.S. Open Tennis.
30:29He served as a ball boy.
30:32How long he did it for an hour or a set, I have no idea, but he did it.
30:39And his social life is, as I just pointed out, his friends are guys like Neymar.
30:46His closest friends are outside of basketball.
30:50But he is a good teammate, according to his teammates, when he shows up, when he's not
30:55whining about not playing or anything.
30:57But after the Celtics, remember the Famous two years ago, the Famous game six, when Derek
31:02Weitz made that play at the end of the game to keep the series alive.
31:07And yeah.
31:08And then they lost, after that game, Max Struss, who has since moved on to Cleveland, but Max
31:16was distraught.
31:17I guess he had a role in screwing up or something.
31:19He was distraught.
31:21And the guy who went in and put the arm around the shoulder and gave him the we have pep
31:24talk and said, we'll be back and don't worry about it.
31:26You'll be fine, was Jimmy Butler.
31:28And he said, Max Struss said, I was in a dark place after that game, and he was the
31:33reason why I was able to get out of it.
31:35So he is capable of that kind of team play.
31:40All that.
31:41Oh, and the country album, he's written 40 songs.
31:44Did you know that?
31:45I didn't know that.
31:46And I haven't stumbled upon any of those songs.
31:49But this is what.
31:50I don't think they made the Hot 100.
31:52All right.
31:53So, oh, and the Godfather, Kyle Lowry is his daughter's Godfather.
32:01How about that?
32:03So so obviously he's beloved in the circle that he doesn't.
32:06He's complicated.
32:07There's something he can only stay in a place so long, it seems.
32:11And he's he's he's got it, but he's really succeeded in distinguishing himself for the
32:16wrong reasons.
32:17Right.
32:18You know, he's going to be.
32:19That's what we focus on.
32:20Well, people focus on the bad stuff.
32:24When he retires and he will go to the Hall of Fame.
32:26I mean, I can't see how he can't.
32:28OK.
32:29He will still be remembered for a lot of people as much for disruption and leaving Chicago
32:35in bad terms, leaving Philly in bad terms.
32:38Whenever he gets out of Miami and it could be, you know, the trading deadline isn't coming
32:42up to us and something could finally happen somehow, some way, he's going to be remembered.
32:47And, you know, it's sad.
32:48You don't want to be remembered as much for that or when you're that good a player as
32:52he is and still is still can play.
32:56He's thirty five and he may not be exactly what he was two or three years ago, but he's
32:59still whoever his story is far from over.
33:03Somebody might pick him up and he could be the catalyst to get them into a playoff run
33:08that they wouldn't have had otherwise.
33:10That could happen.
33:11I'll be very anxious to see how this thing plays out.
33:13Now, as far as what the deal is between he and Wiley person, apparently it goes deeper
33:18than professional somehow here.
33:21You know what I mean?
33:23I guess.
33:24I don't know.
33:25Who knows?
33:26There's something going on there, you know, with Wiley and him that I think it transcends,
33:28you know, basketball or the humongous contract.
33:31Hey, they gave him the contract, so I don't know what the hell with that.
33:34But yeah, I yeah, I don't.
33:36He's just I'm a fan.
33:39I'm a fan.
33:40I would, you know, if I had to check a box one way or another, I'm a fan.
33:44But there's the guy.
33:45He's an interesting, you know, if he's not the most interesting guy, I think he's certainly
33:49one of them.
33:50You know, with with great players or people of great ability, sometimes comes complexity
33:55for whatever reason.
33:56You know, it's just whether you see it in art, music, acting, writing, however you want
34:03to.
34:04Someone is very smart in the science or there's always some instability or something that
34:11goes off or some something that that kind of that kind of goes along with it.
34:17You know, I mean, even like guys like, you know, I'll just stick with the NBA, even guys
34:21like Larry could be, you know, he had his way and that was it.
34:24Magic is always a happy go lucky guy, even though I've always said nobody can actually
34:28be that.
34:29I want to exhibit a for the NBA there was a true greatness and and complexity with Michael.
34:36I mean, Michael, absolutely.
34:37And Russell.
34:38Michael Russell.
34:39Oh, yeah.
34:40And Michael's a complicated dude.
34:42Oh, yeah.
34:43Hey, some Russell exactly.
34:46And he acknowledges he always acknowledged it and said, I heard it from his own lips
34:51that it's well known that he wouldn't have become the NBA success to the degree that
34:56he was if he weren't playing for red.
34:59The red hour back was for him, you know, and, you know, red was red was not a one way, my
35:06way or the highway.
35:07There being only one highway guy, red, you know, saying red red had different rules for
35:12different people.
35:13And but when you had a rule for different people, you know, he never he would never
35:17yell at Russell.
35:18He would never yell at Cousy.
35:20But he yelled at Tommy.
35:21Tommy knew how to take it.
35:22He knew Tommy.
35:23He knew that Tommy got it, that Tommy got what that was all about, that it wasn't personal.
35:29It was professional.
35:31You know, make it Tommy, a professional scapegoat, that then Tommy, you know, Tommy kind of shrugged
35:36it off, you know.
35:37But anyway, yeah, Russell was very complicated man, as we know.
35:41Yeah.
35:42It's just something about it.
35:43I think you look at when you see genius in many, very in various areas, I think the complication
35:47goes with it.
35:48The best but the best scapegoat story, though, I I just love is from the 80 Olympic hockey
35:54team where Brooks told Michael Roussioni if I'm if I'm say if I say a Roussioni, I'm talking
35:59to the team.
36:00I'm talking if I say, Mike, I'm talking to you.
36:03Oh, that's great.
36:04So I was like, like a Roussioni with Jesus or Roussioni, Roussioni, because you're the
36:10team whipping boy.
36:11But well, that's psychologists.
36:14That's a that's a supreme psychologist at work.
36:16And that's what it was with these guys.
36:18When it comes to pro sports, man, and especially basketball, which is not a complicated game.
36:24You know, I think the most successful coaches were the best psychologists.
36:26I think that Phil Jackson, whether Celtic fans like him or not, tremendous.
36:31Pat Riley.
36:32Phenomenal.
36:33I mean, you can only game plan so much.
36:36Oh, no, it's it's it's whatever you're getting them to buy your message, you know, by what
36:45you're selling.
36:46And they do that.
36:47You know that the people are individuals and you have to have different gears to shift
36:52into to be really successful.
36:54And guys who don't have it can only go so far, I think, you know, so, you know, always
36:59a pleasure, my friend.
37:00We'll talk to you again next week.
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