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Do we need to stop fibbing to ourselves about the Boston Celtics postseason potential given what we know they can do? If you ask Drew Hanlen, star Celtics forward Jayson Tatum's trainer, the man has plenty to say on the subject. So we did!  This week, the hosts of the CLNS Media "Celtics Lab" podcast, Alex Goldberg, Cameron Tabatabaie, and Justin Quinn, linked up with Hanlen to talk about Boston's season so far, Hanlen's new book, and the trades currently sending shock waves through the NBA among several topics.  We also get caught up on the news and the Celtics' recent play (and whether a few close calls are cause for concern or just midseason boredom), so join us for a pre-trade deadline glimpse into Hanlen's world of late with a Celtics-oriented perspective.   CLNS Media is Powered by:  💰 Prize Picks - https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/CLNS Download the app today and use Code CLNS when you sign up & Get $50 instantly when you play $5!  🎫 Gametime - https://gametime.co Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Terms apply. What time is it? Gametime!  💳Start earning points on rent you’re already paying by going to joinbilt.com/GARDEN. Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you: joinbilt.com/GARDEN, to start earning points on your rent payments today!  Elevate your style game on and off the course with the PXG Spring Summer 2024 collection. Head over to https://PXG.com/GARDENREPORT and save 10% on all apparel.  Nutrafol! Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off any purchase and free shipping when you go to https://Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code GARDENGIFT!   #celtics #NBA #BostonCeltics The CLNS Media Network is the leading provider for video/audio content. CLNS is a fully credentialed member of the media with access to all NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB teams & venues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  CLNS' rebuilt their YouTube community in less than 12 months, during a pandemic that attacked sports. Wondering how? Find out here (and support our channel) - https://www.tubebuddy.com/clnsmedia  Visit the Official Home of CLNS Sports Coverage -  https://clnsmedia.com  Twitter - https://twitter.com/CLNSMedia Celtics - https://twitter.com/celticsclns Patriots - https://twitter.com/patriotsclns Bruins - https://twitter.com/bruinsclns Red Sox - https://twitter.com/redsoxclns Non-Sports - https://twitter.com/northstation Facebook - http://facebook.com/clnsmedia INSTA - http://Instagram.com/clnsmedia INSTA Celtics - http://Instagram.com/celticsclns INSTA History - http://Instagram.com/nbahistoryclns

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00:17I'm Cameron Tempest-Tye. I'm your host.

00:19I'm joined by Dr. Justin Quinn in Mexico City and Alex Goldberg in Brooklyn, New York.

00:25If you haven't guessed from the thumbnail or the headline or however you found this podcast,

00:30we are talking to Drew Hanlon, the personal trainer for Jason Tatum and a few other NBA stars.

00:36He's also an author. He's got a book coming out on February 11th called Stop BSing Yourself.

00:41I'm not going to say that word yet because we want to monetize on YouTube,

00:44but Stop BSing Yourself, A Practical Guide to Personal Growth with a Mindful Approach.

00:48In the second half of the program, Through the Magic of Editing,

00:52Alex and I will talk to Drew about the book, about his relationship with Jason Tatum,

00:56about an upcoming event at TD Garden, at Studio B at TD Garden that Celtics fans can go to on February 11th.

01:02And we also talk to him about Jason, St. Louis Pizza,

01:06and of course, some of the big trades that just happened.

01:09First, as we are wont to do, we'll do the news.

01:12If you haven't, please like and subscribe to the Celtics.podcast,

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01:20And if you're new to the show, welcome.

01:23We're going to do the news. We're going to talk about the trades.

01:25We're going to talk about the trades that have happened, might happen, could happen.

01:29But before all that, Justin, how are things in Mexico City?

01:32Well, I would like to pretend that I'm as exhausted as I was last pod

01:37because of all the trade action that's been going on.

01:39But really, it's just allergies again. Lots of pollen in the air. It sucks.

01:44Yeah, Mexico City is not dealing with the freezing cold that we are here.

01:48But there's always something good to complain about. Alex, what's good to complain about in Brooklyn?

01:53Well, aside from the unseemly sirens that are going on in the background in lovely Brooklyn, New York,

02:00the only thing I'm complaining about is my Wi-Fi, which has been really bad today.

02:06But yeah, no, that's that's really about it. We're chilling.

02:10Literally, it's it's pretty chill here.

02:13If you're watching on YouTube, Alex has a cool like wind chime or something behind him that I love.

02:18If you're listening, please leave us a review.

02:21But please don't do what some people do where they say fabulous podcast, but the audio is a little tough.

02:26Two stars. We're trying our best here.

02:29It's not worth three stars digging us because one one time we had bad Wi-Fi.

02:33So if Alex's Wi-Fi is a little janky, sorry. The conversation we had with Drew is prerecorded.

02:38We did that Sunday afternoon. Stellar Wi-Fi, stellar audio.

02:41We're here Monday. It's 615 on the East Coast.

02:44That could become relevant because the trade deadline is Thursday and anything could happen between now and then.

02:50I suspect there won't be a trade bigger than that.

02:53Luke Dantridge, Anthony Davis trade. I just got the last two minute report notification.

02:59I was like, oh, a trade. Justin, you haven't weighed in on the trade.

03:03Alex and I did yesterday with Drew.

03:06What do you think of the LUCA trade now that the dust has settled?

03:10Masterclass and falling up Los Angeles Lakers.

03:14What are you doing, Dallas? I mean, what else is there to say?

03:18Yeah, everything that has come out since has made Dallas look worse and worse and worse.

03:23Look, if Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis have like an unbelievable lob game, maybe they can win a round or two.

03:28But it's not hyperbole to say this is one of, if not the worst trades in NBA history.

03:34And certainly one of the worst PR swings I've ever seen.

03:39I don't know what the hell is going on with Nico Harrison, but do shut your mouth.

03:43Well, it's just it's it's mind boggling to me because you took what was a reasonable championship window of maybe 10 years.

03:52As long as you have LUCA in his prime. And you said, actually, I'd like to shorten that championship window to the next year and a half.

03:59Because that is how long you have until Kyrie Irving says, hello, Dallas, max money, please.

04:05That's how long you have until Anthony Davis starts to look around and say, hey, what's going on at other places?

04:12Klay Thompson is 35. It's I don't see any path where this doesn't end up as the worst trade in league history.

04:20And that's really not me being hyperbolic. I just really feel that way.

04:24Short of LUCA being finished, like just completely like body is falling apart on levels that we couldn't possibly know.

04:33I just. Yeah. Yeah. He's 25. Yeah.

04:39If you're a free agent or like someone angling for a trade, I don't know why you would want to work for these people in Dallas,

04:45especially if you're like, oh, the no income tax, go play in Houston or San Antonio, which are ascendant.

04:51I just want a staggering. Speaking of San Antonio, because I'm so Drew weighed in on the trade and he had cool insight.

04:59So in a moment, we'll get more into the LUCA trade. But since then, since we recorded that,

05:04Darren Fox was sent to the San Antonio Spurs. That's the biggest name in the trade by a country mile.

05:11Stephon Castle, your boy, Justin, stuck around for a huge gap for San Antonio.

05:18Kevin Hurd is in the trade. Trae Jones is the trade. Zach Levine is going to Sacramento.

05:22The Bulls, once again, just like don't know what they're doing either.

05:27Quick thoughts. I mean, it's two Western Conference teams, so it doesn't really pertain to the Celtics lab podcast.

05:31But Justin, any thoughts on that? I know you're a Yukon guy. Well, I'm happy that Castle is not going to Sacramento.

05:38They are better than they have been in the past, but they are still Sacramento.

05:42Not quite Kensing like the Bulls have been recently. I don't know what they're doing.

05:49If you ever want to appreciate Brad Stevens, Danny Ames, just look at the management organization in Chicago.

05:58They got their own pick back, which they had protected that they probably could have got anyway.

06:03It's just I'm not sure what they're doing. At least they're doing something, but they could do it a lot better.

06:10Yeah, I mean, it's the case that not every team in the NBA is trying to win a title and doesn't have the pockets to really go out and win.

06:16But dismantling your team and just being like a bonafide loser and trade after trade after trade is more than sabotage.

06:25There's something else. But I will say the Mavericks ducking the luxury tax might just be the answer.

06:31And the owners who are one of the biggest contributors to the current president, maybe they contributed a little too much.

06:40And now they need to save some money on the luxury tax. Chew on that, Mavericks fans.

06:43Alex, anything on the deer and fox trade?

06:46What is this? Is this 2001? We have a Republican president in office saber rattling at NATO and the Spurs and Lakers are fleecing everybody.

06:56How did we get here? How did we get back here? This is insane. The Spurs are making out like bandits in this trade.

07:04They traded basically no picks of consequence, kept all of their good picks,

07:10didn't trade any players that matter to the longtime development of their franchise.

07:14They get to keep their entire young core and just add deer and fox basically for free.

07:20A guy who they can easily pay and still stay under the luxury tax because they have women on a rookie deal.

07:26It could be as simple as just the Kings and Spurs both hitting the Lakers.

07:34It might be. I mean, the Kings did fine in this trade, right?

07:37They got Zach Levine, perfectly good NBA player, having a really nice season.

07:40They got two solid first round picks and one fake first round pick.

07:43Like the Kings are not in any way a laughingstock as far as this trade is concerned.

07:48They handled it about as well as they could. But like the Bulls just enabling just for no reason,

07:55for literally nothing, getting nothing of value out of this trade is just it's inexplicable.

08:02Yeah. Actually, Drew Hanlon had a cool Zach Levine story.

08:05Not to just continue to pump that Drew Hanlon is coming, but he is.

08:09So that's exciting, I guess. I don't know. Good luck to Zach. I think Zach is better than consensus.

08:14I don't think Sacramento is a place you go to revive your career, but we'll see.

08:18Let's pause the action and in a second we'll talk about what's going on with the Celtics here in the news.

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09:56So last we talked, the trade down line is Thursday.

10:00The state of affairs are such, again, that we're not going to get too detailed,

10:03because by the time people listen to this, things could have changed.

10:06But the Celtics are probably not major players.

10:08They have four-ish million dollars of Jaden Springer's salary to work with,

10:12two-ish million dollars of Xavier Tillman's salary to work with.

10:15A few extra picks, but because they're double-aproned up, there's a lot of rules.

10:19Maybe they will try to get an impact player.

10:23I suspect Jaden Springer and Xavier Tillman have seen an uptick in playing time for that reason.

10:28Justin, weeks ago, when we were taking a peek at the trade deadline,

10:34you floated that Gershon Yabusele, the big man who plays for the Sixers and formerly of the Celtics,

10:39would be a great trade candidate for the Boston Celtics.

10:42And now, it's kind of like the darling of the trade rumor establishment.

10:46Any new thoughts on that, Justin?

10:49Well, I like to peck myself on the back, but, I mean, Boston has a very limited range,

10:55as you just pointed out.

10:56So there's really only a handful of guys that would even be worth considering dealing for.

11:01Excuse me.

11:02Making him one of them?

11:04Besides that, the real dynamics that we have to consider is who else is going to be in the running.

11:10Because he is on such a cheap contract, any contender, he's basically going to be –

11:15if you're a first ever team or more, all the exceptions you could use to sign him into your contract structure

11:21are very limited.

11:22So Philly, he's going to be gone after this year.

11:24If Boston deals for him, he'll be gone next year.

11:27If any of the other teams that are rumored to deal for him, Minnesota, New York,

11:31someone else, I can't remember off the top of my head.

11:34Denver.

11:35Yeah, thank you.

11:36All of them are basically rentals, right?

11:40And all those teams have two second-round picks that they could possibly send out reasonably.

11:46If somebody wants to get stupid and send out a first, they could do that too.

11:49I don't see why they would, but maybe put some protections on it or something.

11:52Basically, all the teams involved except for Denver have comparable pieces,

11:57and you could argue Denver is in the mix too because they have a couple of younger guys

12:01that they could also move there, or at least somewhat promising as well.

12:05I think really at this point, the biggest question here is,

12:09is Philly actually going to be inclined to move him,

12:13or are they going to convince themselves based on that recent one they went on

12:16that they actually could go somewhere?

12:20Yeah, the Sixers are in a weird spot because obviously this has been a season from hell.

12:24Joel Embiid is on the shelf, and who knows when he's coming back.

12:28Technically, they're still in the playing picture.

12:30I mean, not technically.

12:31They're firmly in the playing picture, especially with teams like the Bulls

12:34and the Hawks potentially tearing it down.

12:36The Sixers could even chase a playoff spot.

12:38I mean, they're only five games out of the East.

12:40It's just hot doo-doo.

12:41So it's interesting.

12:42The Sixers could even talk themselves into being buyers.

12:45It's worth pointing out that the stretch of the season has all sorts of wacky reporting

12:50and people using the media for leverage and whatnot.

12:53There have been whispers that the Sixers would move on from Paul George,

12:56which would signal a very big pip for the Sixers.

13:00But all of which is to say we have no idea.

13:03I mean, Justin's point really is that if Boston is in on any player,

13:08every other contender is too.

13:10There's a lot of contenders with extra cap space or limited cap space,

13:14but a little bit of wiggle room and picks to play with.

13:17With that being said, Alex, any names or thoughts or rumors related to the Celtics

13:24that you've heard in the past few days that are interesting to you?

13:26I am continuing to monitor the Javante Green situation in New Orleans.

13:31We'll get into that a little bit.

13:33But there have been some burblings that New Orleans is desperately trying to blow up

13:38their entire team heading into the home stretch of the season

13:42and basically keep only their young guys like Herb Jones and Dyson Daniels

13:48and everybody else has a for sale sign on them.

13:51If that's the case, the Celtics should kick the tires on Javante Green.

13:54I think that would be interesting.

13:56Torrey Craig got waived as part of the Bulls deal today.

14:00I am noticing that he is now going to be on the buyout market

14:03and will have a pretty cheapo salary that if the Celtics are looking to fold

14:08into their plans, they could potentially sniff around that.

14:11They would have to dump either Xavier Tillman or Jaden Springer

14:15into somebody's cap space in order to make that work, I believe.

14:18But even so—

14:19They can sign him, I think. If he's on a minimum, they can sign him.

14:22I guess that's true, yeah.

14:24They have an open roster spot, yeah.

14:26That's something to look at.

14:28Ultimately, I don't think anybody they're going to get at the deadline

14:31is going to crack their playoff rotation.

14:33But, you know, it is what it is.

14:36Yeah, it's really hard.

14:38I've been playing around with Trade Machine and, again, just limited

14:41with a $4 million trip in Springer or a $2 million trip in Tillman.

14:46There's just not that many guys.

14:47Maybe Kevin Love, maybe Talon Horton-Tucker.

14:51Guys who, in a pinch, are smart enough that they're not going to make

14:54serious errors, but they're not impact players.

14:56That being said, Xavier Tillman—

14:58Last year, we were smart enough to say,

15:01the Grizzlies and the Celtics have worked together before.

15:03The Grizzlies have a little too much talent.

15:05But we never thought Tillman was on the level.

15:09So who knows?

15:11This time next week, we could be talking about Walker Kessler.

15:14Probably not, but you never know.

15:17We will see.

15:18That being said, I'm not buying Jaden Springer.

15:23Good luck to him, wherever he lands this season or next,

15:25but I don't think—

15:26They're pretty decent.

15:28I think he's a really good on-ball defender.

15:31I think he looks lost basically any other part of the game.

15:34But whatever.

15:35We're not here to re-litigate Jaden Springer.

15:37He's not going to be on the team next week.

15:38Okay, a couple more pieces of news, and then—

15:42Look, at the very least, they should shed some salary for tax relief

15:48for poor Irv Grousbeck, who apparently can't afford to manage his own affairs.

15:54You think he listens?

15:56Irv to this podcast?

15:58I'm going to go out and say Irv is not a podcast guy, generally.

16:02Oh, you think he listens to radio dramas?

16:06Yeah, I think Irv is in his 80s and not particularly interested in sports.

16:11He's 90-something.

16:13He's also a super accomplished professor at Stanford and businessman.

16:16I don't think it's happening.

16:17Irv, come on the podcast.

16:19Okay, a couple more minutes of news, and then an ad read,

16:23and then our long-awaited conversation with Drew Hanlon.

16:26Since we last podcasted, the Celtics lost to Houston.

16:30Amund Thompson went bananas.

16:32And look, it's a really good Houston team.

16:35The Celtics should have won, but not a crazy loss.

16:38Beat the pants off of Chicago.

16:40Barely beat the New Orleans Pelicans.

16:42And then last night came back.

16:44They would have 26 to the very shorthanded Philadelphia 76ers.

16:48It's the third largest comeback in the past 20 years for the Celtics,

16:52and the biggest of the season.

16:54So, like, that's impressive.

16:56Jason Tatum did look extraordinary down the stretch.

16:58Boston went something like seven.

17:00I'm doing this off the cuff.

17:01Seven for 28 from threes in the first half, 44 points.

17:04And then 14 for 26 on threes in the second half scored 77 points.

17:11They live and die by the three.

17:14The Boston Celtics story.

17:15Anything I missed there?

17:16No.

17:18I think the only thing to jump in on there is that, listen,

17:21Missoula ball giveth and Missoula ball taketh away,

17:24particularly against shorthanded teams in the middle of the regular season

17:29that have been bad and that have nothing to lose by getting up 53s.

17:34There is a weird thing in Missoula ball where over the course

17:40of a seven-game series, it's a completely justifiable strategy

17:44because the variants should bear out in your favor.

17:47But it also opens you up to bizarre regular season losses against bad teams

17:53in a way that no other style really does because it forces everybody

17:58to play the same style of basketball.

18:02The style of being bad on defense also doesn't seem to work,

18:05which is something the Celtics are pretty good at.

18:09I get the whole just trying to save energy through these middle-of-the-year

18:13games and whatnot, but it's just like, you know what?

18:16Save energy?

18:1826-point comebacks.

18:20Yeah.

18:21Yeah, a small part of me is a little worried that Jason and Jalen

18:24are going to have to go beast mode to get the team out of this funk,

18:29the Drew Hanlon conversation, which is coming in a moment.

18:31Drew said, I don't actually believe the fatigue hype,

18:34and he would know better than we would, so I'll leave it at that,

18:36but I don't know.

18:38It's still February.

18:39Anyways.

18:40I mean, for what it's worth, Jason has been going beast mode in these games,

18:44which is fun to watch at the very least.

18:47It's fun to watch.

18:48All right, let's pause there.

18:50And through the magic of editing, in a moment,

18:52you will enjoy a conversation Alex and I had with Drew Hanlon,

18:56the author of the new book, Stop Bullshitting Yourself,

18:58A Practical Guide to Personal Growth with a Mindful Approach.

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20:45It's time to talk to Drew Hanlon.

20:47Thanks for listening.

20:48We'll catch you on the other side of a wipe.

20:51All right.

20:52As promised, we're going to hop into the Celtics lab,

20:55and we're going to talk to someone special,

20:56someone who knows the Celtics, and specifically Jason Tatum super well.

20:59That would be Drew Hanlon, coach, life skills coach, author,

21:04public speaker extraordinaire.

21:06Drew, anything I missed?

21:07That is way too much.

21:09You're giving me way too much credit.

21:11I always joke around when people ask me, like, oh,

21:14what's the title and stuff like that?

21:15I'm like, to be honest with you, most of the time,

21:17whoever that favorite player is of that person, I'm their trainer.

21:21You know what I mean?

21:22I get people run up to me all the time in the airport,

21:25and they're like, oh, you're so-and-so's trainer.

21:28I'm like, I'm nameless, but, yeah, I am that person's trainer.

21:32Sure.

21:33All right.

21:34So for the purposes of this podcast, it's Jason Tatum's trainer.

21:37Drew, you're here to talk about your book, which is coming out February 11th.

21:42You have a cool event in Boston to promo, but we're recording Sunday afternoon,

21:47so we have to talk about this trade for a couple minutes.

21:50It was bananas.

21:51Bananas.

21:52Like I told you guys right before we jumped on this, last night I was getting

21:56FaceTime.

21:57The thing about FaceTime is it's not like you can answer it and say,

22:00hold on one second.

22:01So I was like, people were like, no, answer my call.

22:03And all these NBA all-stars were like, is this real?

22:06Is this real?

22:07But I think that the basketball community,

22:10this is the first time I've ever seen the basketball community just as shocked

22:14as the NBA community.

22:15And what I mean by that is a lot of times we hear rumblings.

22:19There's stuff that trade deadlines a couple days away from the time of this

22:23recording.

22:24There's things that I know will likely go down that most fans don't know.

22:29And so the most fans will be surprised when these things happen.

22:32And that's,

22:33I would say the majority of NBA stars have at least little rumblings.

22:37No one had rumblings on this, which made it even crazier.

22:41Yeah.

22:42A few people like Kevin O'Connor talked about it over the summer.

22:45I think a few people hinted at it because a star as big as Luca to a

22:49franchise like the Lakers in the off season.

22:53I mean, just, you're just throwing darts.

22:54But I don't think anyone had this, which the Celtics are incredibly leak proof.

22:58I don't think of the Lakers or the Mavericks as super leak proof,

23:01but they proved this wrong.

23:03Alex was patient because he wanted to do an emergency podcast when he found

23:07out this morning, Alex, where are you sitting with this?

23:09I mean, I'll just, I'll just come out and say it.

23:13I think this has the potential to be one of the worst trades in the NBA

23:16history. I really do.

23:17I think Dallas has made a grievous strategic mistake here that is going to

23:24pay quite dearly for them. The Lakers keep getting away with it, Cam.

23:28I don't know how, but they do.

23:30I have a question for Drew though, as a follow-up piece of this,

23:34because there's, I mean,

23:35there's so many layers to unpack with this trade that we could go in 20

23:38different directions, but Drew, your area of expertise is, you know,

23:45physical stuff,

23:46making sure players are at the peak of their powers in the best condition

23:49possible, right when they're supposed to be, you know, obviously Jason Tatum,

23:53you know, being peak performance, you know,

23:56ready to go for his big playoff run last year, culminating in a title.

24:00One of the things that has been suggested from a number of different sources

24:05about possible motivation for this Luka Doncic trade, which again,

24:09is mind boggling, is the idea that Dallas was reticent to sign Luka Doncic

24:16to a super max contract because they were concerned about his conditioning,

24:21about his approach to like, you know,

24:23making sure that he was physically prepared to play these games. Drew,

24:27you're a trainer, you're an expert in conditioning and, you know,

24:30everything that it takes to be the best version of yourself on the basketball

24:33court. Do you buy that at all?

24:37I mean, no, I mean, to be honest with you,

24:39you have a guy that just led you to the finals.

24:43You have a guy that is a perennial first team,

24:47all NBA player that you know, from all signs. And again,

24:51I don't work with Luka. You know,

24:54I don't know what was going on behind the scenes. You know,

24:57I think the likely guess is that he basically said, Hey, listen, you know,

25:02I'm eventually going to ask out just giving you guys the kind of notion.

25:06And he probably gave them a very short list,

25:08which is why they didn't go public with it and tried to get the, you know,

25:11the big packages that everyone's throwing out there. But again,

25:14that's me guessing. I have, I have no, no clients on the Mavs,

25:17so I have no inside information, but no, I mean,

25:21obviously if a guy's performing at that level and producing and winning,

25:25you know, there are guys that you would say,

25:27fans really love that. It doesn't necessarily translate to winning.

25:31And so sometimes that's, you know, off when you see those guys get moved,

25:34you're like, no way. He's so good. And you're like, yeah,

25:36but he doesn't really impact winning. And forever people said that about Luka,

25:40but he made the conference finals.

25:41Then he goes to the finals and you're like, wait a second.

25:44This guy is one of the best players in the NBA and he's young and he's

25:48averaging what, I don't know, 39 and nine or whatever it was, you know,

25:51third, I think all time in points per game average in NBA history.

25:56So there had to be some stuff that we don't know. But definitely shocked the,

26:01you know, shocked the world and you know, we'll, we'll see what to come with it.

26:05But I think it was an amazing pull off for the Lakers. And again,

26:09we never know.

26:10Like you remember a couple of years ago when the Rudy Gobert trade happened,

26:13everyone was like the worst trade ever.

26:15Then Minnesota started rolling last year and they're like, wait,

26:17just give it some time. Now it's a great trade.

26:19And then like now they're Minnesota's down again. They're like,

26:22see it was a terrible trade.

26:23So I think that we, a lot of times we look back hindsight's 2020,

26:27but we'll see how it plays out. You know, I mean,

26:30my early response would be if you can get a guy that's a top five NBA player

26:35that just came off a finals run, that is also a first team all NBA guy.

26:39That is also, you know, young and hasn't even hit his prime yet.

26:42You basically trade the farm. You know, I had,

26:45I had a very close friend that you know, is, is in a front office.

26:50I'm trying to keep it as vague as possible. But I said, yo,

26:53what would you guys have offered? He said, literally,

26:55if they would have said we want all 15 guys,

26:57we would have given them all 15 guys from that.

26:59Just tells you kind of where some people's heads are at around this trade.

27:04Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's funny. The, the Luca piece.

27:08So I did a story with Peyton Pritchard and Dana Barrows a few weeks ago.

27:12And there's a question was, was like,

27:14are there guys who are kind of dogging it?

27:16Like, do you think you can kind of succeed in the NBA without putting forth

27:20110% effort? Like the guys like Peyton Pritchard and Pritchard and Barrows were

27:24like, yeah, you can fake it. I don't think that's Luca.

27:27I mean, he was put together like a mummy in that finals run.

27:30So yeah, I think Alex it's, it's expedient storytelling,

27:34but the proof is in the pudding for Luca anyways, true.

27:38You would know better than most about like, you know,

27:41what it means to take your game to the next level and also your mindset,

27:44because you have a book coming out.

27:45It's called stop bullshitting yourself,

27:47a practical guide to personal growth with a mindful approach.

27:50Give us the elevator pitch for the book.

27:52I mean, it's pretty easy as, as Celtics fans. I mean,

27:55Jason Tatum writes one of the forwards. I mean, as, as that,

27:57do I need to say anything else?

27:58But to be honest with you,

28:00what it does is it just,

28:01it taps into all the stories that fans normally don't get to hear.

28:05You know, it's you know,

28:07I got a story in there about Jason when he was a high school junior and

28:10forever from his freshman year to his junior year.

28:13I kept trying to tell him, you gotta be an asshole. You gotta be more,

28:16you know, kind of step on your toes mentality. And you know,

28:19his mom forever was like, listen,

28:21I want my baby to be a humble superstar and junior year,

28:24they get upset and they had the best team in the state.

28:27They didn't win a state championship.

28:28And I remember her walking over to me and literally being like,

28:31I don't care what you got to do, turn them into an arrogant asshole.

28:34Like I cannot watch him passive ever again. And the next year,

28:38senior year, pretty cool story, but it's, it's more detailed in the book,

28:41but Jason actually outscored the other team at half in the state championship

28:45game. He was, he was up 27 to 26 at halftime.

28:48And it just shows kind of the, those kinds of stories.

28:51It has a story of Zach Levine when he was, you know,

28:54younger and how he was unranked. And then, you know,

28:56basically coming off the bench for UCLA and people are telling him,

28:59you're not even good enough to play college basketball.

29:01Why would you go in the NBA?

29:03And then sure enough, he becomes a multiple time all-star and, you know,

29:06Brad Beal, how he got over some of the hurdles.

29:08And so really it just taps into these untold stories.

29:11And then also everything connects back to the reader.

29:13The one thing I hate about books is when it's just like a tell-all and you're

29:16like, Oh, that's cool. And then you leave and you're not like changed.

29:18And so basically the book is outlined and it's basically like,

29:22here's the concept, here is the story behind it.

29:26Now let's apply it to your life. How can that relate to you?

29:29And so, you know, it might be something like Tyrese Halliburton, you know,

29:33there was a dinner that we had Tyrese was averaging 12 points a game when he

29:37was on the Sacramento Kings.

29:38We had a dinner because his agent wanted me to start working with him.

29:41And I said, if you want to work with me, you have to shoot 14 FGAs tomorrow.

29:45I don't care if you shoot 13 field goal attempts and 28 free throws,

29:48it has to say 14 FGAs.

29:50I don't care if you go over 14 or 14 for 14.

29:53And the next night he went out against Philly and remember he averaged 12

29:56points a game.

29:57His career high was 28 points in the NBA and he scored 38 points the next

29:59night. We had never touched a basketball court.

30:02And so then, you know, in the book, it's basically like, Hey, listen,

30:05sometimes you don't need new skills to get to the next level.

30:08You need a new mindset. You need a change of kind of like, you know,

30:12kind of like a change of perception of what is possible.

30:15And so that's what it does. It's just tapping into the mindset.

30:18I always say it's like atomic habits meets Tim Grover's relentless.

30:21If you put those two together, that's what you're getting with,

30:23with the book.

30:24Cool. So I don't know if you know this,

30:26I'm a high school teacher during the day.

30:27And then I cover the Celtics for USA Today.

30:29And my whole thing with my students is like,

30:31I don't think you're about to be an expert on world war one,

30:34but I think you'd get better at studying.

30:36Like you're not a young historian, but you,

30:38you're working on like piecewise building your strategy.

30:41We spent so long in Boston with Jason and Jalen were 22 and 23 and

30:45everyone was writing them off. And it's like, no, you're there.

30:49They haven't hit their prime for a reason.

30:51Like that's an archetype for a reason. And yeah, Jason,

30:54you can just see every season he's gotten a little bit better,

30:57a little more gravel in his gut.

30:59I think he is a little feistier this year and in a good way.

31:03I think that the thing, and again, it's pretty cool, but I'm for,

31:06I'm fast forwarding over to him. He's got a really cool line.

31:09I'm reading out of the forward,

31:10but it says when the great ones get to the top of the mountain,

31:13they keep climbing and like his forward has some really cool perception on

31:18like perceptive of like, you know,

31:21a lot of people look at like when he won the championship, it was like,

31:24oh, now it's time to tell your story, you know,

31:27now it's time to release all the unseen footage and,

31:30and really tell your story. And he's like, this is the start of my story.

31:33I think that that is the cool part of these great athletes and entrepreneurs

31:38and just anyone that does anything great in life is they don't look at

31:41something as like the mountaintop. It's like, you know,

31:44it's a never ending journey to, you know, constantly improve oneself.

31:48And, you know, Kobe's, you know,

31:49definition of like the Mamba mentality was like the constant quest to

31:53basically become one's best self.

31:55And I think that that's what you see with all these, you know,

31:58great athletes and great entrepreneurs. And,

32:00and the thing that I think a lot of people won't realize,

32:02which I do share some of the book is like these athletes have just as many

32:06stresses, struggles, insecurities, doubts as everybody else. You know,

32:10a lot of times when, when slumps happen on the court,

32:13they've started off the court, you know,

32:15there's things currently going on the NBA and you're like, if you only knew,

32:19you know what I mean? Fans will just be, you know,

32:21constantly bashing players. And I'm like, if you only knew, you know?

32:25And so I do think that like, you know, it's, it's,

32:28it's nice when you get to see like the starting five doc and you actually get

32:31to look in the lens of some of these guys' lives and stuff like that. And,

32:34you know, people are like, Oh, nevermind. Like, I feel sorry now because I'm

32:38like, yeah, that that's real. So.

32:42Just a quick follow-up to that. You know,

32:44I think one of the things that we've talked about on Celtics Lab a lot and

32:47that we're kind of constantly monitoring is the way that fans and players

32:51interact both on the court and off the court,

32:54particularly now in the social media age where you are going to see like no

32:59matter what happens,

33:01everybody is going to have a take and they're going to be able to drop that

33:04take instantly and players all have social media and can see those takes.

33:09You know, I'm curious from your perspective,

33:11kind of as someone who operates behind the scenes of these things,

33:14could you give us some insight into like players and their relationships to

33:20social media and kind of their,

33:23their presence on social media and how,

33:26how that affects their play on the court?

33:28I feel like you have a unique perspective on that.

33:30Everyone's different. Like, you know, Tyrese Halliburton opened up this year

33:34and talked about it a little bit. He was like, in the past, you know,

33:37I would go on social media to find fuel.

33:40I loved when people said that I sucked.

33:42It's like at the beginning of the season, you know, I, I had,

33:45he had zero workouts this off season because he came off an injury throughout

33:48the playoffs that he had to nurture.

33:50Then he goes to the Olympics and then after that he re-aggravated at the

33:54Olympics. So he didn't get to work out all summer.

33:56So he's already out of rhythm.

33:57He already didn't get to like work on his game. Also,

34:00the Olympics not playing that, that hits you mentally and, and, you know,

34:04causes you to, you know,

34:05doubt yourself a little bit even though he had just came off a, you know,

34:08a nice playoff run and stuff like that. And he's like, man, he's like,

34:12I went to social media.

34:13And then when I started seeing the negative comments that usually fuel me,

34:17I was like, damn, they're actually right. Like I am trash right now.

34:20I am like, so I really think it depends.

34:22There's some of my clients that never go on social media.

34:25There's some of them that live on social media.

34:28Really the big thing is you got to realize that if they,

34:32if you wouldn't take advice from somebody,

34:33you shouldn't take their opinion personally.

34:35That's kind of how we always look at it. You know what I mean?

34:38So if it's somebody that you would actually reach out and seek out advice,

34:41you know, then there might be some truths that you need to hear.

34:43And sometimes there are reality checks and gut punches that you need, but,

34:47you know, very rarely. And again, it's not like,

34:50I think that the thing that people don't realize is let's say me,

34:53I'm not a player, you know, I don't have millions of followers,

34:55but I have hundreds of thousands of followers.

34:57And every night I get a hundred to 500 messages and DMS from angry fans,

35:03me. And the crazy thing is I have 12 full-time NBA clients.

35:07So on an average night, let's say two of them suck.

35:12You know what I mean? Like two of them just have bad nights.

35:14Those fan bases are constantly drew refund your money.

35:18You don't know what you're doing. Like even Celtics fans,

35:20Celtics fans are usually really good because they're supportive and they've,

35:23they've known the journey that, you know,

35:25most of them know that I've been with Jason since he was, you know,

35:27a freshman in high school and stuff like that. But I have people all the time,

35:31you know, Drew, as soon as he drops his trainer, I'm like, yes.

35:34After you win a championship while leading your team in points,

35:37rebounds and assists while being named first team,

35:39all NBA for the third year in a row on your way to the fourth one.

35:42That is definitely you. Those results are not good enough.

35:44You definitely want to, you change up what you're doing, you know?

35:47And then I also have fans that, you know, how many times I probably had five.

35:52No, I would say even more.

35:53I say over a thousand people that have been like,

35:55Drew told him to bulk up this summer and that's what changed his shot.

35:58And that's what I'm like, guys,

36:00do you realize I've never touched a weight with Jason Nick saying is his

36:03strength coach who does an amazing job. That's why Jason's defense has improved.

36:07That's why his playmaking has improved.

36:09That's why his finishing at the rim has improved.

36:11I've never touched a weight with him, but you know, they just don't know.

36:14And so that's, that's just an overall insight of,

36:17of every player has different relationship with social media.

36:21You got to realize that like people don't know what they're doing.

36:24And if you listen to like, you know, at Lakers fan four, six, eight, two,

36:28like you're just gonna, you're, you're gonna have too much going on your head.

36:31So I would say there isn't one necessarily like direct approach with social

36:36media. The big thing that we always just say is like, listen,

36:39everyone has their own opinions. Let them judge the end result.

36:42And at the end of your career, you know, when you look at it on paper,

36:45people are going to be impressed. And, and that's what I wish we got back to.

36:48To be honest with you, everyone keeps talking about the basketball ratings.

36:51I don't think the problem is basketball ratings.

36:53I think it's the basketball fan. I think a lot of it's first off,

36:56don't watch games anymore. If they do, they just watch the highlights.

36:59Second thing is a lot of people aren't fans.

37:01They're just betting and gambling and play it,

37:04do it parlays and, and doing fantasy basketball.

37:07So it's more of gambling and, and that kind of quick, you know,

37:10hits instead of like teams and success.

37:13Another thing is people don't care about success anymore. You know,

37:16you might have a player on a team and he goes out and drops a, you know,

37:20an efficient 26 and four, but you needed 28 for your, you know,

37:25your over and they win the game.

37:28They won the game and they're mad and they're like, they didn't do enough.

37:31I'm like, they won. That's all that should matter.

37:33And so I think that's a big problem.

37:35And then the other thing is like when,

37:36when we were growing up you turn on sports center and you listen to Stuart

37:40Scott,

37:41he would show the highlights of all the made baskets the night before.

37:44And then they would air these great stories behind the scenes.

37:47You think about even like inside the NBA, the old, like, you know,

37:50clips of, of them going in and like being on court and like goofing off and

37:54stuff like that. We don't get that anymore. Now it, all it is is clickbait.

37:58It's hot takes it's, you know,

38:01that's all basketball social media is.

38:03And so that's why I try to tell people just, you know,

38:06tune out the BS like really just don't worry about anything that's being said.

38:10And you know, at the end of the day, you're,

38:14I always say that you fell in love with basketball and you played the game of

38:17basketball for free because you loved it.

38:20Now you get paid millions of dollars,

38:22sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars to do it.

38:24Just look at it like this.

38:26You would play basketball because you love it.

38:28You get paid to deal with all the BS that goes around basketball.

38:31And if they keep that mentality and they realize, okay,

38:34the reason I'm really getting paid, isn't just to put a ball in a hoop.

38:36It's also to deal with all the nonsense that goes around hoop.

38:39I think that's when they have a good relationship with, you know,

38:41the negativity that is constantly bombarding them through all these different

38:45media sources.

38:46And I think again, I'll go back to, it takes time.

38:49Like what you just identified as a skill,

38:51like it's not a innate thing you have or you don't, you, you practice that.

38:54We saw that, I mean,

38:55Jason has a fabulous like austere social media presence.

38:59I mean, the Jason Tatum brand is ironclad.

39:02It is so easy and approachable and good.

39:05Jalen Brown just like shut the whole world off.

39:07He was like, I'm just not doing it.

39:09I'm going to make my own sneakers.

39:11Like I am not engaging and both have been successful.

39:14Right.

39:15But it took them time.

39:16They, I mean,

39:17there's that clip of Jalen Brown saying Danny Ainge, wait,

39:20we weren't as good as the 86 Celtics.

39:22And you think, Oh, Oh goodness.

39:24Like you were, you were listening to the hype a little too much there,

39:27Jalen.

39:28So yeah, I think young players,

39:30we don't give them enough grace and drew.

39:33Absolutely.

39:34My students,

39:35they come in and they start talking about like advanced analytics and box

39:39plus minus.

39:40It's not that like they're BSing and be like, Oh,

39:42that was a good game.

39:43Or like, Oh,

39:44my favorite player had a great dunk.

39:45Everyone wants to be the smartest guy in the room.

39:48It's sports.

39:49It's supposed to be fun.

39:50It's ridiculous.

39:51Yeah.

39:52And it's one of those things where I always joke around with my friends

39:54because I'm in the group chat and I'm always one of those facts over

39:57feelings type of guys.

39:58So like everybody else is like arguing with their feelings and I'd just go

40:01straight to the facts.

40:02But a lot of times what I'll do is I'll literally put two presenting

40:04arguments like,

40:06and I'll literally say,

40:07this is why you could say this and this is why you could say this.

40:09And I'm like, guys,

40:10you could argue both ways.

40:11You know what I mean?

40:12All you're doing is nitpicking stats and facts that,

40:13that favor whatever,

40:15you know,

40:16thing that you're trying to support.

40:17And so,

40:18you know,

40:19when I argue against myself and I put those out there,

40:21everyone's like,

40:22okay,

40:23you just didn't make the conversation fun anymore because now everything's

40:25out there and presented.

40:26But I'm like,

40:27you can,

40:28you know,

40:29you,

40:30there's a ton of ways you can look at everything.

40:31And so,

40:32you know,

40:33I wish we got back to appreciating,

40:34you know,

40:35the greatness that is the game of basketball right now.

40:37I mean,

40:38we have the most skilled players in the world we've ever had.

40:40We have some of the most advanced concepts we've ever had go back and

40:43actually watch a 1990s basketball game.

40:45And I grew up idolizing Michael Jordan.

40:47When you go watch it,

40:48it is slow pace.

40:49It's boring.

40:50If you look at who are the best players in the nineties and everyone's

40:53going to say,

40:54obviously you start with Michael Jordan and stuff,

40:55but even Michael Jordan under 34%,

40:57three points shooter.

40:58Then you go,

40:59then you go to all the bigs.

41:00None of the bigs could even shoot the ball.

41:01Like then you go to,

41:02I mean,

41:03you start going down the list of the greatest basketball players of the

41:06nineties.

41:07And you're going wait,

41:08like,

41:09and again,

41:10I'm not saying when you look at Michael Jordan on film,

41:12I still to this day,

41:13I'm like in awe because I'm like,

41:15he's doing all the things that we now teach just instinctively.

41:18And like,

41:19he's doing it more athletically and it's just so smooth.

41:21And you're like,

41:22Zach Levine sent me a clip the other day of him doing this concept that we

41:25call up,

41:26down,

41:27back downs.

41:28It's where you basically,

41:29instead of like just trying to bang somebody under a fender,

41:31you kind of like sink and rise,

41:32sink and rise.

41:33You saw Kobe do it a lot.

41:34He stole it from MJ.

41:35We stole it from both of those guys.

41:36And,

41:37and it's,

41:38he,

41:39Zach sent me an old clip that had gotten resurfaced on social media.

41:41And he's like,

41:42bro,

41:43look at the,

41:44like the athleticism he does it with.

41:45Like he was not being trained to do this.

41:47He was just naturally responding to the defensive positioning and stuff

41:51like that.

41:52So there are,

41:53you know,

41:54again,

41:55I don't want to downplay.

41:56There were some really good players in the nineties,

41:57but overall skill level is through the roof.

41:59Comparatively speaking,

42:00the pace of the game,

42:01the watchability,

42:02all of that stuff.

42:03And so I wish we would just celebrate that more and,

42:05and appreciate where the game is.

42:07Yeah,

42:08no,

42:09I feel the same way.

42:10It's just,

42:11it's fun.

42:12Like the world around the NBA is crumbling.

42:13Just enjoy that.

42:14It's fun.

42:15It's 40.

42:16You need to bring back like barbershop hoop conversation.

42:18And I feel like those are like the purest form of hoop talk.

42:21Cause you can't pull up the stats.

42:23You can't pull up like every single nitpicky thing.

42:26You just have to go off.

42:27Like,

42:28what did you see last night?

42:29And can you,

42:30I don't know,

42:31like align with your general beliefs.

42:32Of course.

42:33So drew to the benefit of time,

42:35I got three questions for you.

42:36We'll do them kind of quick.

42:37One,

42:39the people who are observing the Celtics pretty closely are giving

42:43the players the grace that they're tired.

42:46To what degree do you think fatigue like on a nightly basis plays a

42:50role?

42:51I don't think,

42:52I mean,

42:53again,

42:54I think that right now,

42:55what you're seeing is,

42:57you know,

42:58the NBA is,

42:59is a really healthy league.

43:00There is a lot of balance or a lot of good teams.

43:02There's a lot of young talent that plays really hard night in night

43:05out.

43:06I think it's also hard to be super engaged and super focused coming

43:10off a championship where,

43:11you know,

43:12the playoffs is what really matters.

43:14And I think that's one of the,

43:15the one things that I would say,

43:17I agree with,

43:18with the fans is regular season basketball,

43:21for whatever reason,

43:22because of the era we're in,

43:23it is a ring dominant,

43:24dominated conversation and culture.

43:27And so,

43:28you know,

43:29you see,

43:30I have players that,

43:31you know,

43:32that have dominated in the regular season and then,

43:33you know,

43:34they haven't performed well in the playoffs and it's like,

43:35Hey,

43:36that person sucks.

43:37And you're like,

43:38Hey,

43:39you know what?

43:40I don't care.

43:41I don't care.

43:42You know what I mean?

43:43So you're,

43:44you're saying that the regular season doesn't matter,

43:45but then you're the same person that is complaining that the regular

43:46season doesn't matter as much.

43:47You know what I mean?

43:48It's like,

43:49you can't have it both ways.

43:50So I just think that a lot of times you'll see that the best teams,

43:52you know,

43:53they're constantly looking for ways to improve and get better.

43:55And sometimes rough patches along the way actually help them because it

43:58shows them,

43:59Hey,

44:00we aren't as bulletproof as we thought we were.

44:01And it refocus them,

44:02recalibrates them and,

44:03and allows them to grow in the areas they need to grow and to get that

44:06focus back.

44:07But if I was a Celtics fan,

44:08I would not be,

44:09I would not be concerned right now.

44:11I would be,

44:12you know,

44:13like,

44:14Hey,

44:15let's just get to the playoffs healthy.

44:16Let's make sure we keep improving.

44:17Let's make sure we are playing our best basketball when it matters.

44:19And I think that's what the focus should be for every,

44:21every contender.

44:22That's what Joe Mazzullo keeps preaching,

44:24which he does a pretty believably.

44:27Okay.

44:28Second,

44:29last question.

44:30Not only do you have a book coming out called stop bullshitting

44:32yourself,

44:33practical guide to personal growth with mindful approach.

44:35Are you going to be at studio B near TD garden to promote the book on,

44:38on February 11th?

44:39Right.

44:40I am so excited about it.

44:41Yeah.

44:42We've been obviously making little teases,

44:43but you know,

44:45it it's basically the price of a book.

44:47You get the book,

44:48so you get a book,

44:49but then also you get this event an hour on stage.

44:52We are showing some unseen footage.

44:54That is unbelievable.

44:56We I'll give you a little preview cause I haven't really teased it yet and

45:00stuff like that,

45:01but everybody's been begging me for,

45:03you know,

45:04high school workout footage.

45:05Okay.

45:06I was like,

45:07done Duke footage.

45:08Okay.

45:09Done.

45:10The pre the infamous pre-draft workout where Danny and all of them were

45:12done.

45:13And then the Holy grail was the Kobe workout,

45:15which we've never shown before,

45:17which we have,

45:18you know,

45:19filmed.

45:20We're like,

45:21okay,

45:22let's go ahead and show some of that stuff.

45:23So people that come are going to be in for a treat.

45:25And what I want to do is I want to make it special because most of the

45:27time,

45:28what happens is you come to these events and everything else gets leaked the

45:30next day.

45:31Like,

45:32I want this to be like,

45:33you know,

45:34it's going to be posted and whatever,

45:35but you know,

45:36I want it to be special for the,

45:37the event.

45:38So it's going to be untold stories,

45:39unseen footage.

45:40And it's going to be great conversations.

45:42And again,

45:43because of the relationship,

45:44I can go deeper than anybody when it comes to the,

45:46you know,

45:47the back and forth and stuff like that.

45:48So it's not going to be like the,

45:49Hey,

45:50Jason,

45:51like,

45:52let's talk about the tweaks on your shot.

45:53You know what I mean?

45:54It's going to be like,

45:55like take me back.

45:56And how'd you get the mentality and the ups and downs of,

45:58you know,

45:59like 2022 versus 2024.

46:01And like the stuff that people want to know,

46:03but they normally can't tap into.

46:05Fabulous.

46:06All right.

46:07I have even more reason to follow up with you and see if I can

46:10get myself there.

46:11Okay.

46:12Also sets up our last question,

46:14which keynote speaker,

46:16author,

46:17trainer,

46:18extraordinary to Hanlon.

46:19What the hell is St.

46:20Louis pizza?

46:21It's the best.

46:22It is the best.

46:23It was funny because we had somebody,

46:25we were,

46:26I was up in Minnesota before the Timberwolves game and Jason and I

46:29were shooting at the target center.

46:32And,

46:33you know,

46:34there were a couple other people there and they were like,

46:35y'all don't really like emos.

46:37Like y'all just say that because you're from St.

46:39Louis and you have pride.

46:41And I looked at Jason after we argued with him and said,

46:43yeah,

46:44it's great.

46:45And I was like,

46:46yo,

46:47you really like it.

46:48He's like,

46:49no,

46:50I really like,

46:51I'll make me too.

46:52I was like,

46:53just making sure we were good.

46:54Like,

46:55because obviously,

46:56you know,

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