Mike Giardi and Will Parkinson discuss the ongoing contract situation that the Patriots and Matthew Judon have found themselves in. With training camp underway, and Judon not participating, what is the most likely path to agreement, or could a trade be on the horizon? That, and much more!
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00:00But the big story is Matthew Judon who decided after saying I'm going to play for the contract
00:05even if I don't like the contract, the contract about $6.5 million and another million in
00:10roster bonuses, showed up for the first day of padded practices on Monday, not wearing
00:16any pads, wearing slides in fact, brought his phone out there, had his baseball hat
00:20on.
00:21I'm sure you've read the comments by now, the stories are out there, but Judon had a
00:25little discussion with Gerard Mayo that didn't seem to go very well.
00:29They had a discussion later on, Judon left the field, came back, went to the general
00:33manager Elliot Wolfe and his henchman Matt Groh and has not been with the team.
00:39They're off on Wednesday, hasn't been with the team well, but it's interesting now because
00:44it was a very public act.
00:46I've said this before, I think he embarrassed himself.
00:50I think he embarrassed his first year head coach.
00:52I think he embarrassed his first year general manager.
00:56There are reports that there has been another contract offer extended.
00:59He jumped right in on Twitter on Wednesday and said, that's a lie, that hasn't happened.
01:05How do you view this from the outside looking in and what do you think the Patriots should
01:08do with Judon?
01:09Yeah, there's a couple of different things.
01:11We'll get to a bunch of the different kind of holdouts and hold-ins and Judon's essentially
01:14holding in here.
01:15And one of the kind of interesting things is, you know, you mentioned embarrassing,
01:19you know, Bill Wolfe himself potentially and Gerard Mayo.
01:22This isn't just their first year head coach that Judon has no relationship with.
01:26He's been his defensive coordinator for the last couple of years.
01:28That's to me what makes it even a little bit more tricky and kind of really digging his
01:32feet in.
01:33You know, I had thought for some reason in my head, I always thought Matt Judon was like
01:3728 going into his age 29 season.
01:38I didn't realize he's turned to 32 in two weeks here and for whatever reason, sometimes
01:43guys in the NFL, you know, Zekiel Elliott's 27 years old and you're like, what?
01:47And then other guys are much older than you realize.
01:49And, you know, from a Patriots perspective and from Judon, you understand Judon wanting
01:53to get one big final payday.
01:54We'll talk about, you know, guys like Redick and Trent Williams and other guys that are,
01:57you know, entering their age 30 or above season and wind those big deals.
02:02The issue with the Judon Patriots thing for me, and this is why I think he ends up getting
02:05moved at some point is if I was the Patriots, I'd move Matt Judon, not because he's not
02:10an awesome player.
02:11He's probably their best player.
02:12He would be crucial to help try to keep this team competitive with, you know, a potential
02:16rookie quarterback starting at some point this year.
02:19The timelines don't match up for Judon's peak productivity and what the Patriots are looking
02:23to do right there.
02:24A team that you assume in 2025 will try to be very competitive.
02:28They'll probably have a bunch of cap space.
02:30They'll be able to acquire different picks.
02:31They were probably a team that will pick in the top five realistically, unless, you know,
02:35unless Drake May hits the ground running and that's defense keeps them competitive.
02:38They're probably going to be one of the bottom dwellers, at least this year, they can show
02:41signs.
02:42It's not, they're going to be screwed forever.
02:43It's just, this year is going to be a step back.
02:45And to me, I feel like if you don't pay, if you pay Judon now, and even if he gave him
02:50a two-year extension, by the time he's getting his big money, does it line up with how good
02:55you're trying to be with a rookie quarterback?
02:57And again, you don't want to lose talent, but is he worth, I don't know, I'm spitting.
03:03He's to get a two and a four back next year from, you know, competitive team and say,
03:07hey, now we have four, five, six top 50 picks plus cap space, plus a rookie guy going into
03:13year two.
03:14Drake May showed signs.
03:15We feel good about Gerard Maya.
03:16We feel good.
03:17We're back off of what he's dealing with.
03:19Christian Gonzalez in year three.
03:20Like that to me is probably more of the smart play, but again, there's the emotion of it.
03:25Judon's been an awesome Patriot.
03:26He's a good player and it's kind of hard for an organization that's been, even in bad years,
03:31still very competitive to kind of just fully embrace that tank mode.
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03:57Yeah, you know, I look at it and I'm, I was one who said I would be willing to extend
04:02them even beyond this year.
04:05But what are we talking about monetarily?
04:08And that's the thing that I've been reporting is that there's a huge gap between the two
04:11sides and such to the point where I don't know how you bridge the gap.
04:15And I think that's why you saw it play out the way it did on the first day at pads, where
04:20I think the frustration has set in and the reality has set in like, man, I'm here and
04:24they're here.
04:25And that's what I don't, how do we find a way to meet in the middle?
04:28What I was hoping all along was at the very least, you could say, hey, Matthew, you made
04:3215-ish last year.
04:35You're on the books, as I said, for, I mean, you're on the books for 14 and change with
04:37the cap.
04:38But in terms of actual cash, if everything goes well this year, he's making 7.2 million,
04:43I believe.
04:44Can we double that?
04:45Can we, can we, can we give you a 10 million extra dollars or something with reachable
04:49incentives to kind of get you to that point?
04:51And then you're free to go.
04:52You have an awesome year.
04:53You hit free agency.
04:54Who knows?
04:55Maybe we love you and thought we saw so much.
04:56We want to give you a big extension or you just go into free agency and you try to cash
05:00in one last time.
05:01But it feels like now this has become so public and he is becoming defiant.
05:06I mean, I, I, I understand the day and age.
05:09I'm not the old guy yelling at a cloud, but like stay off Twitter.
05:13But to me, that's the point.
05:15Like if you've gone on Twitter now and you're pushing this thing forward, it's like, yeah,
05:19he's all in like basically pay me or trade me.
05:22And it feels like they're dug in and saying, we're only going to go so far.
05:25It's not as if they haven't offered, but like I said, his, his presentation to them versus
05:30what they're presenting to him is, you know, I mean, would you pay someone who's about
05:35to turn 32 who missed 13 and a half games last year, albeit for a bicep, not for his
05:41legs.
05:43I mean, that's so good.
05:44Would you pay him two years and $50 million?
05:45Probably not.
05:46Yeah, probably not.
05:47And I think that's, that's something, and we'll talk about this with the Jets, but like
05:52it's the same.
05:53It's a different conversation with Son Redick.
05:54He's younger.
05:55He's an edge rusher that sack totals are barred by their, the fourth best in the league over
06:00the last four years.
06:01But it's again, the conversation of does the timeline match up with the Redick situation?
06:05It matches up with the Jets.
06:07That's why it's frustrating.
06:08The Patriots.
06:09I keep coming back to this where this, it's a timeline of when you're trying to win and
06:14capitalizing and like, if you're the Patriots in two years, do you want to have the Von
06:18Miller contract?
06:19If you're the bill, you know what I mean?
06:20Like that's, that's where they're at and they can afford to do it right again.
06:23They're not paying a lot of people and the Patriots haven't really paid a lot of people
06:26in a very long time in terms of that big money.
06:29But you know, you just looked yourself down the road and it's like, all right, do we want
06:34to try to, the Patriots in my head at least.
06:36And again, you know this better than me, they're probably trying to say, get one more
06:39year out of Uche and Judon and this group, and then decide if Uche is awesome again,
06:44like the way he was two years ago, we'll pay him.
06:46If Judon looks fantastic, we pay him.
06:48You just wonder, can they do something similar to, you know, raise some of the cash this
06:52year, give him something?
06:54I just, I don't know.
06:56I don't think this ends well.
06:57And it just doesn't feel like, there's other situations, Ayuk, you know, he was seen, you
07:01know, we'll get to that again.
07:02But you know, dapping up John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan at practice today, and it feels like
07:06a guy they want to have around, it's just trying to figure out that number.
07:10This kind of feels like, I don't know that Matt Judon also probably really wants, at
07:13some point does he not go, I want to go try to win one more shot at winning a title when
07:17I'm in my prime, or at least close to it.
07:20Go trade me to Washington and we're going to go to a young team that like, that division
07:25someone always wins every year and me and Matas, you know, are the Bears or something
07:29like, I don't know.
07:31The Bears is the one, I think I texted you, that one, just if it gets, if we're at this
07:36point where now all of a sudden he's dangled out there, the Bears have been looking for
07:40someone opposite.
07:41Yeah.
07:42It's going to say they were, they were in on Bryce Hough early in the year and that's
07:48after paying, you know, Sweat.
07:50So it's not as if this is a team that wasn't pursuing edge rushers in the free agency market
07:54as well.
07:55And they've been a popular pick to maybe slide into the postseason.
07:58Well, if you really, if they really believe that in Chicago, if they really believe Caleb
08:02is going to be able to handle that group and then defensively, that's what they need is
08:05another edge rusher, then that's a phone call worth making.
08:08And I'm curious, you, you, I'm still thinking like it's a four or a five, but who knows?
08:14Maybe somebody looks at it and says, all right, we talked to him.
08:17He's good coming here.
08:18We're going to work on the deal or whatever.
08:20And maybe the price becomes a little bit higher in terms of what they get in return.