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00:00Pucks with Hags is brought to you by PrizePix and the GameTime app.

00:07Welcome to the Pucks with Hags podcast powered by PrizePix, the exclusive daily fantasy partner

00:12of the CLNS Media Network.

00:13I believe this is the 114th episode of the Pucks with Hags podcast.

00:17I'm your host, Joe Hagerty.

00:18You can find my work at joehagerty.substack.com.

00:22Subscribe for a premium membership.

00:24Get all of my NHL and Bruins writing sent straight directly to your inbox.

00:27I also write columns, usually three times a week for the Boston Sports Journal, so go

00:31to bostonsportsjournal.com.

00:34Get a membership there as well, and you can read all of my thoughts on the Bruins today

00:37with me.

00:38I have two longtime friends and colleagues and friends of the Pucks with Hags podcast,

00:42New England Hockey Journal's Mark Diver and Mick Colaggio.

00:46Mick, please tell people where they can also find your work, my friend.

00:50I write a Sunday column for bostonhockeynow.com, contribute to the seasonal issues of the Hockey

00:55News and have my own little blog called Rink Wrap that'll be coming soon to a X-Link near

01:03you.

01:04There you go.

01:05Mark, in the interest of equal opportunity and anything else, you would like to plug

01:10for yourself here, my friend.

01:12Well, once the Bruins season or the Providence Bruins season starts, I'll be doing my typical

01:19Providence Bruins coverage on Rinkside, Rhode Island.

01:26So that and the New England Hockey Journal, those are my two main outlets at this point.

01:32And I gotta say, Rinkside, Rhode Island is one of the best takes for anybody who wants

01:37to be caught up in a very organized, quick hit sort of a way, but with also insightful

01:43commentary.

01:44It's a great combination of something that's well worth any Bruins fan's time.

01:48I lean on it.

01:49100%.

01:50If I want to know what's going on with the Providence Bruins, Mark Diver and his writing

01:54is what I'm going to and I'm reading and to keep abreast of what's happening down there.

02:00So thank you for mentioning that, Mark.

02:02Well, thanks.

02:03I appreciate that.

02:04For sure.

02:05All right.

02:06We got a couple of things in the news, boys.

02:07We can shoot around real quick and then we'll answer some fan questions.

02:11First of all, interesting development, I thought, the other day with a former Boston Bruin with

02:16the Columbus Blue Jackets and Mark Reckie being relieved of his duties as assistant

02:21coach with the Blue Jackets after one year on the job.

02:25I think a friend of his, Mike Haviland, was actually the guy that got put on staff to

02:31replace him, used to be an assistant with, I think it was the Blackhawks way back when,

02:35but he's a long time hockey guy that's been an assistant coach for a long time.

02:39Just your thoughts maybe on Rex and being an assistant coach, he's had a few different

02:45spots here along the way and, you know, whether like such a great hockey mind, I would love

02:53to see him in a spot where he gets either a management position or a coaching position

02:57where he really gets to show for a long period of time what he can do because like nobody,

03:02there are very few people who are as well connected or as knowledgeable about the game

03:06as Mark Reckie, especially with the playing resume that he has.

03:10I was reading this morning that he still has a year left on his contract.

03:15So they're still going to have to pay him, but I think it was, they had a terrible power

03:23play and he was in charge of it.

03:25So I think you kind of connect those two dots, you can see why they might have reached this

03:31decision.

03:32And who knows, maybe Dean Everson and Rex didn't get along back in the day when they

03:38were players.

03:39Who knows?

03:41I tend to think he has more to do with that kind of thing than anything else, you know.

03:46But you know, you'd think, you got to think there's got to be a spot in the NHL somewhere

03:52for Mark Reckie on someone's coaching staff, you know, it would be a shame if I expect

03:57he'll be back.

03:58But yeah, no, I guess it's just a question of when.

04:03These guys get let go because somebody else became available that the hiring person was

04:14salivating over for years.

04:17And I mean, look at Rick Bonas, the Bruins sweep the Montreal Canadiens in the Eastern

04:23Conference, well, second round in 1992.

04:28They lose the conference final, also getting swept by the repeat Penguins.

04:33And Harry Sinden fires him because Brian Sutter was available.

04:38And he always loved how the Blues played under Brian Sutter.

04:43So he wanted Brian Sutter.

04:45And he wanted the way he liked the way he played, he liked the way he thought the game.

04:49And the aggressive four checking thing was a Harry thing.

04:52He loved it.

04:53He was like, this is my chance to get a guy I really want here.

04:56He went and got a guy I really wanted at the expense of a guy who just did something

05:00that the Bruins, I think, only did that one time in history until 2009.

05:05You know, I think it's amazing that that can happen.

05:09I swept the Montreal Canadiens in the playoffs and I got fired.

05:13That's a unique place in history for Rick Bonas.

05:16Absolutely.

05:17But to your point, Mark, Rex is such a knowledgeable guy, great hockey guy.

05:23I do expect he's going to pop up somewhere else in some kind of managerial or coaching

05:27position and hope it happens sooner rather than later.

05:29And if not, I hope he enjoys the year by the pool, getting paid by the Blue Jackets to

05:32do a sip of umbrella drinks and hang out with his family.

05:36So either way, it's going to work out well for him.

05:38Wasn't he following his son and playing hockey at a certain point?

05:43I don't know how many years ago that is now.

05:46That was a few years ago, I think.

05:49His son has been in the transfer portal, I think, at least once.

05:54So I have lost track of where he is now.

05:57Okay.

05:58Yeah.

05:59And I mean, sometimes I wonder if these things have to do with what your availability is,

06:05your commitment is, and then wanting to push or something and you're not able to push.

06:13I don't know.

06:14It's wild, irresponsible speculation on my part.

06:18But it just seems to me like for him, finding the fit has been a tricky thing.

06:22And while the Penguins, for a while, welcomed him back to be that whisperer in the head

06:28coach's ear, that guy with that word of wisdom at the moment where it's precisely needed

06:33to say, think about this, or did you notice that?

06:37I mean, it seems like an invaluable mind, as you guys have been alluding, for this sort

06:45of...

06:46In terms of modern day team coaching, specific assignment, you're going to do this, you're

06:52going to do that.

06:53I'm not sure where his fit really is, because he just seems to me like he's so potentially

07:01good when it comes to that voice, that little man you want standing on the shoulder of your

07:06head coach, that little voice with a timely word.

07:10That seems to me like where he might be most valuable.

07:14And hopefully, there's just other dysfunction with that Columbus power play.

07:18Let's face it, there was a lot of dysfunction all over the ice for those guys last year,

07:23and one of the reasons the Corpo Salo acquisition has been widely criticized rather than hailed.

07:31I think with Columbus, if you're blaming the coach solely for a power play didn't perform

07:36with the players that they had in the roster, then I think you might be barking up the wrong

07:39tree a little bit.

07:41I think some of it might also be just in the last couple of years, sort of the turmoil

07:46that's been going on with Columbus and their coaching staff with the Babcock situation,

07:51and then them scrambling for coaches after that.

07:53I think he was hired somewhere in that sort of window, and now with a new coach coming

07:58in, you know that all bets can be off at that point if they want their own guys in, and

08:02that can be a condition of their employment for coming in.

08:05So I think...

08:06I have a hunch that the Blackhawks are going to go after him.

08:10Yeah, that'd be great.

08:12All right, let's move on to the next thing.

08:15Judd Surratt this week named the TV play-by-play voice of the Boston Bruins on Nesson, replacing

08:22Jack Edwards.

08:25I'll be honest, I hadn't really thought of Judd as a candidate.

08:28I should have, because I think he's got the institutional knowledge, having been here

08:33for a bunch of years now, and really is a great choice as far as somebody that you can

08:39just plug and play with and come right in.

08:40And there's not going to be any speed bumps, and certainly he did a really good job on

08:45the radio and is deserving of that opportunity.

08:47And I think he'll have chemistry with Brick, which I think is important for whoever was

08:51going to come in.

08:52As somebody that Brick really worked well with, had respect for, genuinely liked, and

08:58you want to hear that kind of chemistry on the air.

09:00So I think all those things came into play.

09:02But just congrats to Judd on getting that job, well-deserved.

09:08Big shoes to fill with Jack and the outsized personality and the presence, the Johnny

09:13Most Like presence he had calling the Bruins for such a long time.

09:16I don't know that Judd's going to be like that and be like Jack, which is a good thing.

09:22He's going to go in and do his own thing and do what he's done very well and very successfully

09:27over the course of his career as well.

09:29But congrats to Judd on a well-deserved gig, one of the premium gigs in the NHL with Nesson

09:34calling the Bruins game.

09:36I'm curious to see if his call changes on TV as opposed to radio.

09:49I think him and Bob Beers have done a superb job on radio for the Bruins.

09:57I'm someone who goes way, way back to a time when not every Bruins game was on TV and you

10:05had to listen on the radio to find out what was going on.

10:09So I'm a lover of hockey on the radio.

10:15Not to veer off topic here, but that's dying a little bit.

10:19Some teams have a simulcast TV and radio.

10:22In the American League, some teams like the Providence Bruins don't even have radio.

10:28It's good to see a veteran radio guy like Judd get this job.

10:31I think he deserves it.

10:35It's not surprising that Nesson didn't go far to find the replacement for Jack.

10:42Like you said, big shoes to fill.

10:44I think one of the things that he and Bob Beers really caught fire and had a great chemistry

10:53because Judd is a little laid back for a radio guy, which makes me think that maybe he's

10:59going to be an easy transition to television because you have the picture and you don't

11:04need as many words, whereas we all know radio, you're all the viewer, the listener has.

11:11But Beersy would chime in little snippets, a word here, three words there.

11:17Even in the midst of the play-by-play, they somehow managed to do this and it was so smooth.

11:23I thought right after, Judd got good in a hurry.

11:28He had been the studio analyst for the Blackhawks games, so he understands the intricacies of

11:34all of this very, very well and he knows how to do either job very well.

11:40I just thought that once he and Beers found that chemistry, they were so good that this

11:45almost makes me sad, but I'm happy for Judd that he makes the leap.

11:53Like Mark, I love hockey on the radio.

11:55The only problem is that I do see it as a thing that's sort of drying up.

12:02I kind of feel like it's all nearly extinct when you see what happened with Chuck Caton

12:09and the Carolina Hurricanes a few years back and you wonder what exactly is going to happen.

12:16As long as the advertising dollars are there and there can be radio flagships, then that's

12:21going to be a thing.

12:23I don't know in hockey's case.

12:25People are always looking for a place to watch the game.

12:27I don't know too many people who listen on the radio anymore.

12:29Nobody ever talks about it.

12:32Mark and I are dinosaurs.

12:35It was funny.

12:36We spent the whole summer wondering who's going to be the Bruins' new TV announcer and

12:39it turns out we should have been wondering who's going to be the new radio announcer.

12:43I hope it's that college kid that did the games on Nessun, college games on Nessun.

12:48I think he called the two BCBU games and probably a bunch of others that I missed.

12:53He's a young fella, baby-faced kid, but just an outstanding play-by-play guy.

13:01I can't remember his name, but he's going to be terrific at whatever he does.

13:05What?

13:06I think it's Tyler Moury you're referring to.

13:08Yeah, I think you're right.

13:11I think I'm thinking of the right guy then.

13:15I think he's going to be terrific at whatever he does.

13:17I don't know who gets this gig, but as far as local homegrown guys, he's as good as I've

13:22heard in a long time.

13:24I think Ryan Johnston's definitely somebody you've got to consider for that as well.

13:29He's been here a long time.

13:30He's done tons of play-by-play, college, AHL, has filled in in the NHL as well at times

13:38when they need a play-by-play guy for the Bruins.

13:42He's already an employee at 98.5 and does tons of fill-in hosting work for them, hosts

13:48the hockey show, all that stuff.

13:50I think he's a guy that I would look at as a strong, strong candidate that deserves a

13:55shot at it.

13:56If he doesn't get it now, he'd probably lose him, right?

13:59Well, maybe.

14:00It would be a smart move to hire him because he's great in that station in an overall way.

14:05I think at a certain point, it behooves you to reward the people that have paid their

14:09dues and that have done a really good job for a really long time and kind of deserve

14:15that shot.

14:16I think Ryan Johnston epitomizes that sort of situation at this point.

14:21It's to your point, there's a lot of very talented play-by-play guys out there.

14:26There's more coming out every single year.

14:29You've got to balance all of that between do you have a potential star here that you

14:33think could, to your point about radio kind of dying, that could bring ears to the radio

14:39broadcast and could really energize people to listen a little bit more on the radio?

14:44Do I think it's ever going to become a situation like it was with the Celtics when I was a

14:48kid in the 80s where you would turn down the TV telecast and listen to most on the radio

14:52and listen to his broadcast and just not even listen to the TV broadcast?

14:55I don't know.

14:56I used to do that with Donner.

14:58Donner did the Bruins in the late 60s through 1970, 71, so I could hear Bob Wilson.

15:05But Fred Cusick actually was the radio guy the year the Bruins won the Cup and Bob Ior.

15:10One of my greatest calls that very few people know is Bob Ior's overtime goal to win the

15:16Stanley Cup in Mother's Day 1970 with Fred Cusick and Johnny Pearson on the radio.

15:23It's fantastic and you can YouTube it.

15:27It's something I didn't know for a long, long time and Bob Wilson told me a great story.

15:32Dan Kelly, of course, the St. Louis Blues announcer on KMOX, he called that game because

15:37he called all the games for CBS.

15:40Whenever it was game of the week, on Sunday afternoons, the NHL, and so Dan Kelly was

15:45like the out-of-town national broadcaster, the best one I ever heard.

15:49I love listening to Dan Kelly do hockey games, any kind, international, NHL.

15:55So Dan Kelly, KMOX decides, when Bob Wilson left Boston and was on KMOX doing the Blues

16:06radio when Dan Kelly was their TV guy.

16:09So when the Blues played the Bruins in the final, KMOX decided to simulcast Dan Kelly

16:17on CBS over KMOX airwaves, therefore Bob Wilson was without a gig when the Bruins won the

16:25Cup in 1970.

16:27He was in St. Louis and unable to call it, very similar to the frustration that the local

16:32guys get these days when they're booted after the first round of the playoffs and everything

16:38goes national for the second round.

16:42Or Jack would lose a Nesson game, Bruins-Canadians, like at the height of the wall or something

16:48like that.

16:49Yes, yes.

16:50I mean, it should be like a spy cam on him watching the game at home and watching him

16:57bounce off the walls.

17:00But Bob Wilson did come back in the 71-72 season.

17:05The Bruins moved on from Don Earl, who was an incredible homer.

17:11He only exceeded by himself with the Flyers in the subsequent years, working with Gene

17:17Hart down in Philly and WCAU.

17:21So Don Earl, the fateful 1974 game, too, that the Flyers tie up with Perrant out of the

17:27net and then Bobby Clark wins it in overtime, Don Earl, he and Gene Hart are at the mic

17:35for this game.

17:36And they are bigger homers than Don Earl ever was with the Bruins on 38, which is incredible

17:41to say, but it was true.

17:43So they were right up there with Johnny Most when it comes to homerism.

17:47And I'll say, since this is a very odd opportunity, Bob Wilson got his big chance in 72 when the

17:54Bruins won it in New York because Frank Cusick and Johnny had gone to TV 38.

18:00So Bob Wilson came back from St. Louis and was on BZ when the Bruins won the Cup in 72.

18:06And so the opener on 98-5, you hear Dan Kelly's call of Bobby U.S. Gorin, then you hear Bob

18:13Wilson counting down the seconds in Madison Square Garden.

18:15Two seconds, one second, it's over, the Bruins have won the Stanley Cup.

18:21So that's what Orbenzo picks up the puck and he and Cheever's doing airborne hug.

18:26It's just, oh, I was in the garden two nights earlier, I had slept off for tickets.

18:30I could go on for hours, as you know, so I don't want to let the show get away from us

18:34here.

18:35But I do want to just say one other thing here.

18:37Johnny Most, I'm so glad I got to meet him around 94.

18:41He was in a wheelchair and he was in rough shape.

18:45But I was so glad I got to tell him this because I always felt like he was the most underrated

18:50radio play-by-play guys ever because he was so known.

18:53Oh, now Detroit's coming out, Mustard and Relish are checking into the game.

18:59He hated the Pistons so much and his voice changed over time.

19:03He was like Bob Dylan as a broadcaster.

19:06There was Johnny Most falsetto excitement in the 60s and the Bill Russell, Sam Jones

19:11era and then it changes a little in the 70s, changes a lot in the 80s.

19:16So each decade there was like a different Johnny Most voice because you see the Sigs

19:21are burning while he's calling the game.

19:25But I thought his rhythm, when I'm driving in the car and I want to hear the Celtics

19:29for a chunk of the game when I'm in the car, I loved his rhythm.

19:34In my own broadcast opportunities early in my career, that's what I wanted to do.

19:39I wanted to be the next Bob Wilson.

19:42I got chances to do some games and some of them were more hooped than hockey in the beginning.

19:48And I found myself wanting to do Johnny Most stuff.

19:52His rhythm for calling the dark, that part that gets you all the way through, just listen

19:57to the rhythm of that up and down the court.

20:01I just loved listening to him do games.

20:05It's going to always be known.

20:06It's kind of like the Beatles.

20:07They're always going to be known for Revolution, Hey Jude, Imagine.

20:12But it's that middle stuff that made them who they were.

20:16And that's what I loved about Johnny Most and his rhythm for calling a game.

20:21And I finally got to meet him and tell him that and he got a tear in his eye and I got

20:25one in mine.

20:26It was like I was so excited to finally meet him and tell him that because I always felt

20:30that way.

20:32Very gratifying moment as far as when you get to brush up against people that you really

20:36admire for how they worked.

20:38That's pretty cool.

20:40No, that's great.

20:42That's a good story, Mick.

20:43And I remember I never even got to talk to Johnny Most, but I remember just walking by

20:47him once when I was a kid at the garden during the Celtics game and feeling like I saw one

20:53of the most important guys in the world walking around.

21:00And it was funny seeing him because he was obviously an old man, a really old man by

21:05that point, just hunched over with the cigars and everything, the cigarettes, I should say.

21:14It was interesting and it was like, I'm glad I grew up sort of because you don't see that

21:19many radio people like that anymore, radio broadcasters that are kind of larger than

21:24life like that.

21:25It's not as to what you both said previously.

21:30There's not many of those guys anymore, if there are any at all.

21:34And it's really...

21:35It's a stepping stone job.

21:36It is.

21:37And I feel lucky to have been a kid when one of them was having some of the greatest moments

21:43of their careers with those great Celtics teams in the 80s and kind of cementing who

21:49he was as a play-by-play guy and his sort of legendary status.

21:53Kudos to the Bruins for naming the booths up on floor nine.

21:57It was such a different world for play-by-play guys back then.

22:00Can you imagine Johnny Most trying to do the commercial drop-ins that they do now every

22:05time there's a whistle?

22:06I mean, it would have been classic.

22:11I just did this thing for my siblings.

22:13I have birthdays in my life this month.

22:17My brother turned 70 yesterday.

22:19My baby sister turns 60 on the 20th, and we're having a big party up there.

22:24And I'm trying to get this.

22:25I'm hoping I'll have it in time, but I took all our home movies, our 8mm from the 60s,

22:31and I shipped them off to a company and had them send me back.

22:36They're all in the cloud now.

22:38And it's actually me at Yankee Stadium in Fort Lauderdale, the Yankees' former home

22:43for spring training.

22:46And I'm holding, I found a random empty beer can up in the press box.

22:50And I'm there, there's no sound to this, but I'm there looking into the camera like I'm

22:54doing one of those live advertisements, the little live read for radio.

23:03And that was my dream.

23:07I just missed the, or I missed it at least by a good 10 years, five to 10 years, the

23:13era of alcohol being in the press boxes after games were over and the party time that would

23:18ensue after everybody got done writing or while they were still writing, who knows what

23:22the hell was going on.

23:23Like you still saw some of it at the old Yankee Stadium when you would go there and they had

23:27like a bar downstairs like that the writers would go to after they were done writing.

23:32I only made it there once.

23:34Yeah.

23:35But it was not like the stories I had heard back in the heyday, which was probably not

23:40the greatest thing in the world was those guys getting all liquored up and then driving

23:43home after they'd made deadline and written their stories.

23:46But that's another story for another day.

23:50Let's answer some fan questions here.

23:52Get back to the Bruins.

23:53But congrats, Judd Surratt on getting the job well, well-deserved and good luck with

23:57it and look forward to hearing you on Essent.

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25:19Who knows what is actually going on in the Swayman discussions?

25:22Is he going to sit out?

25:24Eventually his leverage goes away at some point.

25:25His value has a cap since he hasn't been the main guy for a full season.

25:30Bruins will have a cap they are willing to pay.

25:33Mark, I think I've talked about this with Mick a bunch, the Jeremy Swayman stuff.

25:38I don't know how much we've talked about it.

25:41I don't expect anything to happen anytime soon.

25:44I would expect something, if it's going to happen, is going to happen at the start of

25:47training camp.

25:48I don't think there's any urgency right now.

25:51Clearly both sides would like to get it done, but I don't think there's, you know, clearly

25:54there's not common ground or it would have gotten done right now and they're not at the

25:57same landing spot.

26:00I think this isn't going to move until there's a real sort of natural deadline, which would

26:06be the start of training camp and when you start actually missing work.

26:09I think that's when the urgency is going to pick up.

26:12At this point, still not tremendously worried, even though I would say that Swayman's agent,

26:19I guess, he represents Tory Krug, represents a bunch of other guys.

26:24He does have somewhat of a track record of really trying to get every last dollar for

26:30his client and getting big deals, which every agent does.

26:34I'm sure they're asking for a lot and the Bruins look at it and say, hey, there's not

26:39a lot of comparables here to give him what you're asking for.

26:43Why should we do that?

26:44Which is kind of a staple in contract negotiations.

26:46Obviously, they want to sign him and they want him to be happy, but I think it's problematic

26:51if you give somebody that's never played more than 44 games in the NHL on a season some

26:58gigantic deal, sight unseen, even though he's clear, well, not sight unseen, but unseen

27:05as a guy that could shoulder a 60 game plus workload and be your number one guy before

27:11you actually see it.

27:12That's what makes this, I think, a difficult negotiation.

27:15Yeah, and it's hard to say from the outside what the sweet spot is and how far away are

27:25they from reaching it.

27:31I think both sides have done a pretty good job of keeping things under wraps in terms

27:36of where they are, where they want to be.

27:43But the longer it goes, we still got a month to go, or five weeks, I guess, until training

27:51camp, so there's time, but you'd like to see it wrapped up.

27:59You can only hope that both sides are in communication on a regular basis here, working on it, not

28:06just saying, nah, the hell with it, we'll figure it out in the second week of September.

28:12But we don't really know what's going on behind the scenes.

28:18I tend to think that his agent's got to be saying, here's your two comparables, Pasternak

28:23and McAvoy.

28:26Both of these guys were developing players when you gave them the motherlode.

28:30You gave them what is standard for them to be at the top of their position in the league,

28:35and they were still working on it when you gave it to them.

28:38So how is it that my guy proves himself, you go to him in the playoffs, he plays great

28:43in the playoffs, and now he's clearly a clear-cut choice for number one, and how do you not

28:50give him the career contract that McAvoy got, that Pasternak got?

28:55It's not going to be as much as either one of those guys, how can you deny it?

28:59I think that's going to be the argument coming from the other side.

29:04I would take issue with the Pasternak one.

29:06He was on course for a 50-goal season when the COVID season was shortened.

29:11That is correct.

29:13He would have hit it.

29:15He already had a well-established track record of getting paid before he got the money that

29:22he got.

29:23I don't see how Swayman's off, though.

29:26I just don't see how Swayman hasn't done everything that's asked of him and more.

29:33I know, but that's not how contract negotiations work.

29:36That's not how it works when the GM and the agent go back and forth and trade numbers

29:41and have these discussions.

29:43It's about the position.

29:46It's like real estate.

29:47It's about properties and saying, this comparable property to this comparable property, this

29:51is why we're asking this much for it, and this is what we're going to get.

29:54Ultimately, it comes down to being willing to pay that and finding somebody that will

29:58give you the money for that.

29:59When you're asking for a certain amount, it comes down to comparables with guys that are

30:04like you and playing in the NHL.

30:06There is no comparable for Jeremy Swayman that got $8 million a year.

30:11There just isn't.

30:14There's got to be pressure, I would think, on the Bruins to not overextend and overspend

30:21and create a situation where now you're setting a precedent where a guy that's never even

30:26played 50 games in the NHL, never won the Vesna, never been a Vesna finalist, has really

30:32got a small track record as far as that goes in his goaltending career.

30:36We all know he's going to be an excellent goalie.

30:39I have full belief he's going to be a number one goalie.

30:41The playoffs were great.

30:42It was a month.

30:43That's it.

30:45You're going to want to secure him and make him happy because he's shown that he can be

30:50a playoff goalie.

30:51There's only so many of those guys out there.

30:54You have to actually show a goalie that is getting paid eight years, 64, whatever it

31:01is you're asking for.

31:02Maybe they're asking for more than that.

31:03Who knows?

31:06You have to produce a goalie that has his comparable numbers to him to get paid like

31:11that.

31:12Otherwise, they're opening the door for any goalie in the league that was a backup before

31:16they establish themselves as a starter that has decent numbers to say, I should be getting

31:20$8 million a year.

31:22That is going to blow the goalie contracts through the roof.

31:25It's going to create a precedent that's going to be bad for the entire league.

31:28I think there's a wariness of doing that.

31:31I feel like they've already blown this out of the water all the way around the league

31:33with guys getting the money before they get the leverage to get the money.

31:37Guys who are not arbitration eligible in their first group two are getting career contracts.

31:41It's happening all over the place.

31:42It's like rock paper getting a huge deal in Minnesota.

31:45I just feel like there's been a million of these in the league.

31:49I feel like the old structure of you work your way up to this in the building blocks

31:53has been blown out of the water.

31:55It's already been replaced over the last five years by an approach that GMs say, here's

32:01our guy.

32:02Let's sign him.

32:03Let's lock him up.

32:04Do it before inflation makes us pay way more.

32:06That's what they do.

32:08I feel like that's a preemptive strike.

32:10That way they get them knowing that the league's got new revenue streams and they're going

32:14to have all kinds of marketing with things that are going to be like as if a fan had

32:18a GoPro on sitting on the bench.

32:20There's going to be all kinds of revenue coming into hockey that isn't there right now in

32:25a very short time because of technology.

32:28So there's a philosophy that's been out there the last few years where teams are trying

32:32to identify guys who don't have the leverage to hold the hammer over the GMs head and they

32:38still pay them.

32:39They get it early.

32:40Pasta got it early.

32:41McAvoy got it early.

32:43They didn't have the leverage that the guys have when they usually get those contracts.

32:47When you go back to the economics of a smaller cap, this is, and it's happened during the

32:56flat cap era, which reinforces it even more.

32:59Now we're after the flat cap era.

33:02So how the heck, I mean, I'm just having a hard time seeing how the Bruins can throw

33:07these structured things at the Swainman camp and expect them to go, yeah, I see your point.

33:12Yeah.

33:13I don't think they see the point.

33:14That's all.

33:15All right.

33:16I don't think they do.

33:17I'm not saying I agree with anybody here.

33:18I didn't just take a side.

33:19That was our weekly Jeremy Swainman segment until he signed his contract right there.

33:20Let's, let's move on to another subject.

33:21Then this is from the Boston Sports Journal Q and A. I get some great questions out of

33:22there.

33:23This is from SJM 1613 on there.

33:24There's a couple of questions.

33:25So I'm going to go ahead and read them.

33:26I'm going to read them.

33:27I'm going to read them.

33:28I'm going to read them.

33:29I'm going to read them.

33:30I'm going to read them.

33:31I'm going to read them.

33:32I'm going to read them.

33:33I'm going to read them.

33:34So this is from the Boston Sports Journal Q and A. I get some great questions out of

33:36there.

33:37This is from SJM 1613 on there.

33:39There's a couple of questions.

33:43And Mark, I guess we'll start with you on this one.

33:45Who will play more games for the Bruins this year out of Riley Duran, Jorge Merkulov, and

33:50Fabian Lysel.

33:52Ooh, I think I would say Fabian Lysel.

33:57I think that's a slam dunk.

34:00Yeah.

34:01Isn't this the guy they want to win that job?

34:03make it all things being equal to win that job. They're

34:07practically handing it to him right. Never mind win it right

34:11the talk out of development camp and from from Don Sweeney.

34:16You know this is the guy. This is his you know. This is what

34:22they want from him in his third year as a as a pro right time.

34:27Now, whether he goes out and scores ten goals or whether he

34:32scores twenty goals. You know, I think he's gonna get his

34:37chance and yeah, you know what he does with it is it is up to

34:41him and the coaching staff will figure out what his best what

34:46his best role would be is it is it is it up in the lineup is it

34:52you know is it sort of a break in in the bottom six like so

34:56many guys have have had to do over the years, but you know

35:01it's up to him to show up for camp. you know in a month or so

35:06and be ready and not. You know not fall into the the kind of

35:11the the habits maybe that have that have drawn some attention

35:15negative attention since he's been in Providence and you know

35:20he's another year older. You know this this should be his

35:25his time to to step in there in in the lineup. You know

35:32first round pick a guy that you know promoted you know kind of

35:38lived with his growing pains as a young player and now it's

35:42time for him to not put up and shut up, but put up you know

35:47and you know take another step up the ladder. It doesn't mean

35:52you know doesn't mean there's not gonna be bumps in the road,

35:55maybe healthy scratches along the way and like like so many

35:58players. But but you're right. It's time for them to start

36:04yielding results for the investment they made in him as

36:07a first round pick and it's it's what Bruce Cassidy and I've

36:10mentioned this a couple times. It's what Bruce Cassidy used to

36:12call the you know the NHL Lion King circle of life that like

36:17you know Jake DeBrusque moves on cuz you don't wanna pay him

36:19that kind of money anymore. former first round pick good

36:22offensive player top six staple and in the circle of life in

36:26the NHL, your prospect that is in that spot and you invested

36:31in the first round and when he's that age when he's 2122

36:34had a few years in the AHL. That's kind of like the circle

36:37of life for the NHL team is DeBrusque moves on. You have

36:41this guy to you know, presumably and theoretically

36:43fill in and start to develop to as a replacement to that player

36:48and and the production and and some of the stuff that he

36:51brought and and obviously they hope that Fabian Lysel can be

36:55that guy and and I agree like I think in a lot of ways this

36:59shakes out to put all the ducks in a row and all the pieces in

37:04place for him, you know to win a job to potentially be that guy

37:08that plays with Coyle and Marcian at points, but you're

37:12right. I think it's gonna be like it was last year for

37:15Patra and Beecher and Lowry under Jim Montgomery where

37:18there was ups and downs and there were you know times where

37:21they got less ice time and more ice time maybe get sent

37:23down to Providence a few times and there were certainly

37:26lessons to be learned in the rookie season, especially when

37:29you're you know being counted on to play a pretty impactful

37:33role and I would expect it's gonna be the same with Lysel

37:37and with these other young players too, but like I would

37:39expect that he's gonna get the most ice time of those young

37:42guys. It'll be interesting to see what kind of looks and

37:46Duran get as well. Mick, what do you think as far as games

37:49played here for those three players? Yeah, two things I'm

37:53thinking one is there's gonna be a major revolving door at

37:56second line right wing and that may bleed in the third line

37:59right wing. There'll be a revolving door on that side of

38:01the ice behind pasta. It'll be it'll be on the other hand, the

38:06one way I can marry what you guys said because I find myself

38:10agreeing with you about Lysel is that whereas anybody else who

38:16goes over there for two or three or four games has to

38:20prove that they're a solution. He has to prove that he's not

38:23and in as much as Don Sweeney likes to throw hurdles in a

38:28human form in front of his prospects as a necessary piece

38:33of the development process and we may have yet to may see one

38:38more. We may see a camp tryout, you know a right shot camp

38:41tryout. We could see that and you know just one more person

38:46there standing in the way to bring out the competitiveness

38:49of the situation and guys fighting for NHL careers and

38:53but I do think at the end of the day Lysel has to prove that

38:56he's not ready for this whereas anybody else who goes in there

38:59for this smidge is going to have to prove that they are a

39:03good solution and then still the second it goes anywhere

39:07sideways. It's gonna be Lysel time again, you know or

39:10somebody else's chance. It's it's so I think that's just a

39:14they need him. They want him to be the winner of this, but

39:17there's gonna be a quite a musical chairs thing going on

39:20there. No, I agree and it's probably gonna be like that

39:23until the trade deadline where it'll be like guys getting

39:26different looks and we all know Jim Montgomery changes around

39:28his combinations and his forwards a lot anyway. So I'm

39:31sure it's gonna be a lot of different looks. Mark having

39:35been around him quite a bit the last few years having talked to

39:38a lot of the coaches down there over the last few years while

39:41he's been there. What's your sort of confidence level that

39:45he's gonna be able and he's in the right spot right time like

39:48in his his career and his development path the right

39:51place the right time to seize sort of the opportunity that

39:54he's probably gonna get in training camp. Well, I think

39:57there's gonna be bumps in the road. There's no no doubt about

40:00it and you know I think his. His maturity, you know as a as a

40:07person and as a player is gonna be important here, you know

40:11the ability to roll with the punches here. If you get taken

40:15off the second line and you're on the fourth line, all of a

40:18sudden roll with it. Do your best, you know continue to work

40:23and and bring your a game. No sulking no sulking you know

40:30that you know III think that's that kind of mentality has

40:36bitten him a little bit in in his first 2 years in Providence.

40:39You know when things aren't going his way, you know, maybe

40:43a tendency to you know to be upset about it and to and to

40:47let it show in his play. It's one thing to be upset about it,

40:50but it's another thing to let it show in your play in a in a

40:53negative way. so he's gotta he's gotta be you know that

40:59more mature youngster that that rolls with it when when things

41:03don't go his way because there's gonna be times when

41:06they when it doesn't go his way. Yeah. Well, a quick

41:11question for Mark about Lysol. He's a pretty verbal player out

41:14there. He likes to get into it with opponents. He's pretty

41:17smart **** on the ice. Yapping back and forth kind of thing.

41:21Do you think that that helps him or that that distracts him? I

41:26don't think that helps him. I don't think that helps him. You

41:30know. I I don't think anybody he yaps at is in the least bit

41:37afraid of what he might bring. You know, he's not a big kid. I

41:41don't think he projects as a as a tough guy. so he's better off

41:46just keeping his mouth shut. Yeah. We'll see how it works

41:49when he's with the Bruins uniform. Yeah. I mean, it's

41:52gonna be interesting. I can I can tell you one thing Mark. I

41:55have yet to meet a hockey coach alive that likes the sulking or

41:58the bad body language and the bad reactions to adversity. So

42:01like that's always a warning sign. Absolutely bad bad sign

42:05whenever a coach sees that in a player and and if that's one of

42:08your impressions of somebody pretty early, it's hard to shake

42:11that too and once you start acting that way, even though

42:13it's a sign of you know, immaturity and maybe a young

42:16player, but you gotta get rid of that pretty quick. If

42:19you're gonna be at the NHL level, second part to that

42:21question, if Brandon Bussy shows well in camp, do you see

42:25the Bruins trading Corpus or potentially demoting him to

42:28Providence? Mark your read on that situation with Bussy and

42:32how that might play out at the start of the season. Depending

42:38on what happens in camp, I could see Bussy starting the

42:42year as the number two in in Boston. I could see that you

42:48know, the Bruins can bury Corpus Ellis money in in the

42:52American League for a while and see what happens. You know,

42:57Bussy Bussy, you know, let's face it. He hasn't played an

43:01NHL game yet. So throwing him in as the number two is he's

43:08that it remains to be seen if he can if he can do that.

43:14All signs to me all signs point to to him being able to do

43:18that to being a good a good number two at the NHL level

43:24Corpus. I mean, let's see what he does in camp. Is he does he

43:31get his game on track? Is he you know, is he more of the guy

43:36that had some good stretches in the NHL in the past in his

43:39career or is he the guy who was a disaster last year, right? So

43:44II could see him having to start in Providence and kinda

43:49get his game back. Oh, so he can play a lot. Yeah, he can

43:56play a lot and you know, see what happens with Bussy. I you

44:01know, I have a hard time believing that they if they

44:05tried to send Bussy to Providence that a team would

44:08not snatch him up on waivers, right? Maybe I'm crazy, you

44:12know, but because goalies, I mean, this is something we go

44:15through every year, right? Oh, they might lose them on waivers.

44:17They never do. These guys get sent out and for the most part

44:21they they sail right through. But you know, to me, the

44:26promise that Bussy has shown in his first 2 years II gotta

44:31think that a team would would snag him a team that you know

44:35not a contending team but maybe it's a building team. A team

44:38that needs goalie help. A building team that doesn't have

44:40a great goalie situation. Absolutely. Yeah. You know, and

44:43this kid, you know, the way he battles and the way he the way

44:47he conducts himself, you know, I think I think he has a future

44:52in the NHL. You know, whether it's with the Bruins, I guess

44:55we'll we'll see but I could see them starting him in Boston at

45:02the beginning of the year and and kind of playing it out

45:05seeing what happens. Mick, I think Mark's brought up a great

45:12point. I've assumed all along that Corpus is going to be in

45:15the situation as the number two and for the 1A even if

45:20depending on how camp goes and but you know, with the long

45:24projection that Swain is their guy, of course, but you you

45:30farm up a guy like Bussy and it turns out so well that you

45:34hate like heck to see him just be lost for nothing. Gone, you

45:40know. So, yeah. Mark's scenario makes some sense. I just can't

45:46think of situations very much where the Bruins didn't do this

45:49unless they thought a player was all washed up. You know, it

45:51wasn't ever going to be the player he once was or the player

45:54they thought it'd be. So, that would be kind of like new

45:58ground for me to think of the Bruins doing it that way even

46:02though it makes a lot of sense in some ways. So, so it's a

46:06tough one. It's a tough one. I don't really, it's it makes me

46:09eager for camp. It makes me eager to see Corporal once

46:12Goalie Bob's gotten a hold of him, you know, and the Bruins

46:15system. How much will the Bruins system help him? You know, it's

46:19a good environment. It might be a little different from, you

46:23know, what we typically see but like to Mark's point, I think

46:28part of the reason you didn't see that is because they weren't

46:30really that worried about losing those players and waivers

46:32and I think this is a player you legitimately would have some

46:35concern like that really complicates the whole situation

46:39that you, you know, where he is contractually that you'd have

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47:45I I agree with you like I think that would probably be the

47:48smartest way to do it Mark um to retain the asset and see if

47:52he can do it. Like if he plays great and Swayman's playing

47:56great and everything's going well like why would you even

47:59need to mess with that? You know and obviously you're

48:02probably going to be dealing with uh an unhappy camper in

48:05Corpus Allo in Providence at some point if that's the case

48:08but like you know you'll deal with that if you have to deal

48:11with that and you know there's not much you can really do at

48:13this point. Um well and you know in terms of rehabilitating

48:17his game you know it might not be I suspect it won't be just

48:23he makes us makes an adjustment or two here in camp and then

48:27bingo he's all set. I suspect it'll be something that might

48:33take some time. Yeah. Uh and whether that's in the American

48:36League or you know ideally he'd make his adjustment and and do

48:40his uh you know get it back on track make his mistakes in the

48:44American League not in the National League. Uh so you know

48:49I don't think it's excuse me a situation where you you flip

48:54the switch and he's back uh where he was say for stretches

48:59in LA uh right off the bat uh but you know that'll that'll

49:05be something to watch in camp that uh that progression to see

49:09uh where um you know where where he ends up how long it

49:15takes uh and if he if he even can get his game back on track

49:19who knows we we don't that's not a that's not a lock to

49:23happen you know so it'll be something to watch for sure.

49:28Yeah. No, I agree um and especially with the money

49:31that's being invested in him too and and uh the term that

49:34you have you wanna make sure you're getting you're getting

49:36value for that at the NHL level if you're you're putting him in

49:39that position and you know go attending is such an important

49:42thing and it's gonna be even more important because of what

49:44we talked about before with Swayman never having played you

49:48know 60 games in the NHL having played uh you know a large

49:52number of games as a number one guy you're gonna want another

49:55guy um that's capable of playing if there's any kind of

49:59an adjustment period for him uh to a heavier workload and to be

50:02in the guy to be in the guy that's paying a huge amount of

50:04money with all these expectations. I think all these

50:07things Swayman is gonna coast through and he's built to handle

50:10all this stuff and I think he's the real deal but like you

50:13don't know until somebody goes out there and actually does it

50:16when it comes to like that kind of workload and and being the

50:19guy um when he's been with Omar the last few years. Alright um

50:24one more mark real quick and then we'll go uh would you give

50:27your money to a guy who can't get past Florida or set a new

50:31record for too many men in the ice penalties in only two

50:34rounds of the playoffs. Jim Montgomery is not good at

50:37putting lines together and for that matter keeping him

50:39together to get consistency. So um I know not if it doesn't

50:44change and he's speaking about like extending Jim Montgomery

50:48and and giving him a contract before the season starts um the

50:52situation with Jim Montgomery is really interesting. Uh I

50:55believe it was a 3 year deal that he signed. So he's coming

50:57into his last year um really interesting if he doesn't get

51:01signed to an extension and training camp before the season

51:03starts and he goes into this final season without contract

51:07certainty uh even more so with like some of the changes to the

51:10coaching staff with Joe Sacco getting a promotion with Jay

51:14Leach being put on the staff when he was I think one of the

51:17candidates or one of the guys they looked at for the head

51:19coaching job when they hired Jim Montgomery um just your

51:23thoughts on where Jim Montgomery's at you know what

51:25he's done obviously great during the regular season had

51:28two very good regular seasons. The playoffs not as great, but

51:31they also lost to a Florida team that I think was better

51:33than them uh in both instances, even though the first time

51:36around that was arguably was not better than them and I

51:39think that was a big disappointment um but you know

51:42the track record is mixed very mixed um to put it as best as

51:48he's can in the playoffs. Just your thoughts on Montgomery in

51:52the situation right now with him. Yeah. Well, that's an

51:55interesting one uh you know because clearly the post season

52:01has uh hasn't turned out the way uh the way you know that

52:06management and certainly not the fans have thought it should

52:10yeah. You know I I don't know if pasta doesn't score in

52:16overtime against the Leafs in that game seven and they lose

52:19uh is is Monty. I mean do they uh do they cut bait at that

52:24point? I I don't know, but I I think it's fair to fair to

52:28wonder uh and going into the season. You know, I don't know

52:36II think you wait and see II think that's what you do. Uh

52:39yeah, you know certainly it won't make Monty very

52:44comfortable, but uh you know, I think that's it seems like

52:49something Don Sweeney would do you know maybe even right up

52:54until the end uh you know all season uh and see what happens

52:58in the playoffs. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if uh if Don

53:03Sweeney adopted that strategy like okay, we know we've seen

53:09what you can do in the regular season and that's great, but

53:12now we want more in the playoffs. I think that's and I

53:15think that's a fair ask so you know uh that that will be

53:21something that will uh will it be a cloud? It will be a dark

53:26cloud or cloud over the team uh throughout the season. I don't

53:29know. I guess it depends on how what kind of start they get off

53:32to and where they are in the standings, but uh certainly it's

53:36a question that uh. You know we'll be on a lot of uh a lot of

53:41people's minds as as we go here, you know would they what

53:46do they do? Do they extend them? Do they give them they

53:49give them three more years they extend them a couple of years

53:521 year. I mean that's all uh. All fair game to speculate on uh,

53:58but like I said, it wouldn't surprise me if Don Sweeney

54:01said you know what we're gonna play this out and uh see where

54:04we are at the end of the year before we decide you know on a

54:09new contract for Monty and he did that with right and uh when

54:14and they put Bruce on his staff that last year and it was kind

54:17of there was a lot of signs pointing towards like you know

54:21there may be a change coming and you wonder if this is sort

54:24of like a similar situation that's um that's happening

54:29right now, especially with like you said if there are times

54:33where they like struggle during the regular season and if you

54:36know if they're not responding the way they did last year, if

54:39Monty like bag skates them or something like that like uh you

54:42know and is he more hesitant to do stuff like that if he's in

54:46the last year of his deal worried about like uh you know

54:49a player's revolt or anything like you know there's a lot of

54:51dynamics at play when you're a lame duck coach and you don't

54:55have contract security going into a season like that. Yeah

54:59and I mean he's got a reputation as a player's coach.

55:01I think he's a popular guy with the in the room uh you know

55:05because he he's a positive guy for the most part uh you know I

55:10think he coaches the way he wanted to be coached when he

55:14was a player where he emphasized the positive you

55:17know but you know at some point during the season maybe the

55:22Bruins will be in a little bit of a lull and somebody will uh

55:26you know might be a might be a TV guy might be a radio guy

55:30will speculate that Jesus Monty has he lost the room has he

55:34lost the room and you know that uh that will be debated but

55:38uh. That's another interesting one uh and uh you know kind of

55:44an over overarching storyline hanging over the season as we

55:47go here the status of uh of Monty's contract have there

55:51been talks have there not been talks you know what's gonna

55:54happen so we'll we'll wait and see on that one. Yes, we will.

55:58It's gonna be an interesting training camp with all these

56:01things uh kind of swirling about it's much more interesting. I

56:03think than the last couple of years should be fun. Uh alright

56:06Mark. Thank you very much. Mick and his tree cutters. Thank you

56:09very much for joining us as well. We really appreciated

56:11that Mark. Thank you for joining us today. Always a

56:15pleasure Joe always a pleasure on my end to my friend. Thank

56:18you everybody out there for listening. We'll see you at the

56:20ring.

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