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00:00I am joined by Robert Griffin, the third James White field. Yes, Mina Kimes. All right. So

00:13first play, we're going to look at second into one of the Patriots first offensive plays.

00:24Takes me forever to unmute here all the time, but what's going on, everybody? What's the

00:28tension? Exactly. Build the tension for everyone. We're live here. If you can't tell on Patriots

00:33press pass back with another edition of Patriots Daily. I'm Mike Hadlock. He's Taylor Kiles.

00:39And today we have a very special guest. It's Matty Brown. He runs the Seahawks, Seahawks

00:44on tape sub stack, and he hosts the Seattle overload podcast. Seahawks reporter talking

00:49all things Seattle. And we're here to break down the key matchups in the Patriots. We

00:55against the Seahawks coming up on Sunday. So, Matty, thank you so much for joining us.

00:59We appreciate your time. And first and foremost, before we get into anything, how are you doing?

01:05I'm good. Thank you very much. How about these want to know teams, right? How nice is that?

01:10We get we this is a this is a massive matchup. Could be the Super Bowl. It's wild. It's wild.

01:16We talked about imagine Super Bowl. Speaking of Super Bowls, I'll throw this on the top

01:20of the show. It was just announced today that the Patriots actually have Malcolm Butler

01:24coming back to Gillette Stadium to be the keeper of the light bringing in the Seahawks.

01:29It's the 10 year anniversary of Super Bowl 49. So that's obviously, you know, that brings

01:35everything full circle with the Patriots. Did you lose me, Taylor? No, you're good.

01:41You're good. Okay, sorry. I froze a few times. It's all good. Everybody knows. Everybody

01:47knows. But regardless, you mentioned it, Maddie, two teams, new head coaches, new regimes want

01:52to know more aspirations. Now, after, you know, you go into the season, you're not exactly

01:57sure where your teams are going to be. They both win. So it's it's exciting on both sides.

02:01But in general, before we get into the matchups here, Maddie, give us a quick overview. We

02:06don't know a ton about, you know, the Seahawks and where they're at. So what is this new

02:10what is the new change look like with Mike McDonald's, I guess, at the top of the whole

02:14thing? Yeah, I think, you know, after that win, which we talked about, the excitement

02:20is in overdrive now, because last year was like the first, you know, there were signs

02:25of it as Pete Carroll's era ended. But, you know, losing four games in a row and what's

02:30largely been quite a spoiled fan base where, you know, they're the 10th winningest team,

02:35even after the Legion of Boom had left, you know, they're not really used to losing. But

02:41now seeing Mike McDonald's kind of correct, those things will be in one game, like just

02:46tackling in space, like fundamentals, playing fast, running to the ball on defense. And

02:51then, you know, coming out with a win, despite some adversity, which you wanted to see with

02:56a first time head coach, he's so young. You know, heading into the season, it was, I think

03:01Mike McDonald was plus 1200 to be the coach of the year. If you look at that now, the

03:08fact that he'd be taking Seattle back to the playoffs, maybe if things keep going well,

03:13and how he's kind of a hyped up hype beast defensive coach, right? Everyone talks about

03:18him already. It looks like, I mean, I'm not advocating that you should gamble by any means,

03:23but, you know, it's, I think, a reflection of, you know, it's a tough task that is ahead

03:29of him. That's why the odds are so long. But at the same time, he clearly has a lot of

03:32talent already, his impact being felt on this franchise and the fan base is very excited.

03:39So let's see how it goes with two.

03:42That's awesome. It sounds so, it sounds similar to the Patriots where you mentioned like the

03:46discipline and getting to the ball and being excited, but you don't really know how it's

03:51going to translate to the field. And so it's cool to kind of hear it from another perspective,

03:55because we're going through that now, but here, you know, from the Seahawks is cool.

03:58Taylor, do you have something to add before we get into the matchups?

04:01No, really that these teams do parallel each other in a lot of ways. And I think you may

04:04not notice now the Patriots have been losing for a little bit longer. So I think the fan

04:09base is a little more cautiously optimistic, but there's definitely a buzz. And it's hard

04:14not to, when you see the way the players responded to that win, because last year, obviously

04:18different circumstances, but wins felt more like a sigh of relief than really like them

04:22getting fired up and feeling like it was a, you know, a sense of inspiration.

04:26Like we can really do this. Now the defense, it was one thing, the offense was a very different,

04:30but now this is an offense. It has an identity. Alex Van Pelt has really been listening to

04:35the players and just fundamentally, even Mike McDonald mentioned, they've been pretty sound,

04:39even if what they showed was very straightforward in week one. And then when it comes to like,

04:44obviously the Seahawks, when it comes to their offense, much more stacked, but like the veteran

04:48quarterbacks who are kind of trying to make a name for themselves later in their careers,

04:52honestly, even the offensive line a little bit, like the right sides are a little bit

04:55shaky, but the defense is really, I feel like headline both of these teams and McDonald and

05:01Mayo both mentioned, they're very similar schematically, like the way that they deploy

05:05their guys in their fronts, the pressure packages. And also fundamentally, Mike McDonald was like,

05:10yeah, we both are defenses that want to build a wall. You know, we want to get there, stay square

05:14and all that fundamental stuff. And they're not really like the 49ers jets where they're really

05:18just trying to get into the backfield and get to the quarterback. And then it's like linebackers,

05:22you guys figure it out on the way. So I'm excited. I think it's going to be a low scoring

05:26game. Not going to get my prediction yet, obviously, but it's going to be exciting to

05:29see what happens with these two teams. Cause there's some pretty exciting matchups.

05:33Absolutely. So let's get right into it then. All right. Both of these guys,

05:36Maddie Taylor brought some key matchups. I'm going to drive the bus and give my insight

05:40where possible, but we're going to start with our guests. So Maddie, number one on your board,

05:46what is one of the key matchups that you're watching for as the Seahawks come to New

05:50England on Sunday? Well, it's got to be how this Seahawks offensive line does against the

05:56Pats front. I mean, as Taylor was saying, the Pats do quite a few things up front and how they use

06:01their guys and a guy who stands out from afar is Keone White, because every year in the draft,

06:07you'd look at guys who could replace Michael Bennett. And it turns out being Michael Bennett,

06:12as you guys are well familiar with in New England as well, is really difficult. And yet this guy's

06:17like 290 pounds. You can move him outside, inside, and you look at what the Seahawks have done up

06:22front with their O-line. They've revamped it in a sense where week one, four of the projected

06:28starters were different and ended up being different. They've now lost their second string

06:32right tackle, George Vance, to a knee injury. So they're now down to a third string right tackle

06:37in the guy who's more like a left tackle in Stone Forsythe and struggles with speed to power.

06:41Keone White, hello. And then on the interior, it's not like the revamp was spending loads of

06:48money or loads of draft picks. It's kind of guys who've shown they have availability.

06:53Connor Williams was a cool ad, but he's coming off a severe knee injury at centre.

06:57And so the problem last year really was as much as the perception of Geno Smith, I think,

07:02is still a bit shaky. And maybe in national circles, I believe he isn't rated properly.

07:08I think he's underrated as a pocket passer. Ultimately, the problem for me was he's the sixth

07:13most pressured quarterback, despite having a low sack rate. And you look at the guys who are

07:16pressured more than him last season, that were guys like Justin Field, Ryan Tannehill, sorry,

07:21not Ryan Tannehill, same team, but Will Levis as well, who's enticing the pressure upon them.

07:27And so week one, he's pressured 35.7% of dropbacks. The O-line tended to settle down a bit when they

07:33started running the ball. But Ryan Grubb coming in from UW, he wants to be, you would think,

07:38a dropback explosive offense. And he had some great beaters drawn up for what the Broncos were

07:43doing defensively. They just couldn't get the ball off. Geno's trying to go through the reeds.

07:48It's just absolute carnage back there. It's a miracle really that he wasn't sacked more often,

07:52which again, speaks to his management of what pocket he gets. But it was a mess in the first

07:57half. They had, you know, consecutive, sorry, not consecutive, but two safeties last game.

08:02One was a hold on a sprint outplay, where you're trying to help out your O-line. And one's just a

08:07three tech blowing up Lakin Tomlinson at left guard, sort of oversetting him and getting a

08:11tackle for loss for another safety. So it's very easy to blame an offensive line for all the issues

08:18of an offense, but it does seem to be the weak point. As I said, guys like Keon White are really,

08:24I mean, they're exciting for me as a fan of defense, but as a fan of the Seahawks,

08:29that is a big concern. Yeah. And looking at this offensive line on tape one, Charles Cross

08:35is an absolute monster. He was the highest graded run blocker by BFF in week one. And you look at

08:40the tape, I had the whole like cut up of him run blocking. It was kind of terrifying. Yeah.

08:45Absolute monster. He's all right. Yeah. Yeah. And in pass pro, it looked like he got pushed

08:50back a couple of times, but for the most part, it looked like he was fine. But I agree with that

08:54matchup. Like one of my keys to the game is Uche, I think against the right tackle. And then

08:58all the right guard, I forget of Anthony Bradford. I feel like he's going to get a lot of matchups

09:02with Keon White because last week they used him as both like a defensive tackle and a standup

09:07rusher against Alex Kappa. And it was a long day for Kappa. And then Joshua Uche was just

09:13killing Trent Brown mostly with speed, but he can also mix in that speed to power.

09:17So it's going to be interesting to see how that kind of plays out. But I will stick with the

09:22Patriots defensive side of the ball. I'm going to go with their cornerbacks against the Seahawks

09:27wide receivers. Now I know I'm shocking the world here. You got to make sure that DK Metcalf and

09:32Tyler Lockett are kept in check, obviously. But I really like the matchups on the outside. I think

09:37DK Metcalf, he brings a rare physicality, kind of like an A.J. Brown. I feel like they're the

09:42only guys in their caliber where you can have perfect coverage, but they're so great at the

09:46catch point and they're so physical at the top of routes that it can be really tough to stick with

09:50them when they're trying to go for the ball, even if you're sticky. But Christian Gonzalez,

09:54the way he was playing against Jamar Chase, he does have a bit of a size advantage. But after

09:59the play, you could see a little bit more swagger than he showed last year, where he's kind of like,

10:03you know, a little bump after the play or, you know, you're kind of like talking a little bit.

10:06You can see it's like, I think he's trying to play a little bit of a mental game here, which

10:11last year we're saying, oh, he's Stephon Gilmore. He's so quiet. But now I feel like maybe a little

10:15bit of that dog's coming out, just two freak athletes as well. So the strategy of like,

10:19do you want to press him? Do you play off and let him come to you is going to be really

10:23interesting. And then Jon Jones and Tyler Lockett, two undersized guys who have made a career playing

10:29bigger than they are. Great at the catch point, hyper competitive, really good. Tyler Lockett is

10:34a route runner. Jon Jones, just so good at diagnosing routes and sticking with guys in

10:38his own right. Neither guy's quite as explosive as they used to be, but even still, I feel like

10:43that's going to be on the outside again, two real battles with skill sets that match up really well.

10:48The slot is going to be really interesting though, because Jackson Smith and the Jigba

10:52is bigger than Marcus Jones, but Jones is in that Jon Jones mold where he's very competitive,

10:57even though he's undersized, like they threw up, it was like a crossing route late in the down

11:02where he was covering, I think it was Yoshivas or Charlie Jones. One of those guys that's bigger

11:06than him and he elevated and got up to the ball over the receiver. So how that matchup works,

11:12I saw that most of JSN's production is really underneath and the Patriots are such good

11:16tackling defense. Those kinds of routes don't scare me. So I'm curious to see if JSN can use

11:21that size. Maybe if Gino Smith gives his guys more opportunities, because last week, Joe Burrow,

11:26I think the wrist had a lot to do with it, but he was really conservative. And I feel like Gino in

11:30some big situations will be way more willing to take those chances. Like you mentioned,

11:35the pressure got to him, but like that third down that he had to seal the game to Tyler Lockett,

11:39where puts that thing through a key hole in the only place it can be as the rush was bearing down

11:44on him. After the entire rest of the game, these guys are collapsed in the pocket and you see his

11:48accuracy kind of go when he's just trying to get the ball out. So I really think that the Patriots

11:53can keep those receivers in check. Obviously that's going to do the offense a lot of favors,

11:57but it's really going to be dependent on another thing I didn't mention, but actually stopping the

12:02run. And if Kenneth Walker plays, keeping him contained as well. So they have the advantage

12:05of knowing what's coming. So, sorry, just quickly a couple, a couple of comments and questions from,

12:12from both of those first and foremost, Taylor, how cool is it that Keon loves getting some,

12:16you know, NFL league wide love because, you know, it's someone from last year who

12:21you don't really think of like a, a guy from Seattle is going to be talking about Keon,

12:25but he comes in two and a half sacks, reeks havoc last week. So, so good on him. But,

12:29but secondly, like you mentioned Ryan grub, Maddie, and I think of grub at Washington last

12:34year with a three headed monster receiver in McMillan and poke, and obviously Roma doomsday,

12:40he comes into Seattle and he has something similar in three guys, a little bit different

12:44skill sets that can all make a difference. And I think in, in new England, we think of,

12:50you know, the Patriots wide receiver court isn't great, but if they can make something happen with

12:56the offensive line and to go overside, has some time to throw the football, they can succeed.

13:01Do you see the Seahawks being able to do that right now? Is there like an intricate

13:06passing plan with these guys or is the offensive line such a mess? Like the Patriots is that they

13:12can't really get the ball downfield as much as they want it. Wow. Well, if only I had the answer

13:17to that, I, I, I mean, drop showed, like I said, grub showed against the, against Denver, some

13:23stuff that we hadn't necessarily seen in college, which it makes sense. Cause you know, he was

13:27scheming up for Michael Pennix and his style of quarterback play in the college hash marks.

13:31But in the NFL, he's got Gino Smith who, you know, he can pretty much, he loves the intermediate

13:36areas of the field in particular. And yeah, we, we saw some different stuff where I was like,

13:41Oh, this is this exciting. And so I, there's not, there's not quite enough time to get that off

13:45or, or, you know, you can't open passing heavily. You need to give the O-line some chances guys

13:50that Anthony Bradford, who Taylor mentioned to go and move someone first, which he can do.

13:55And then maybe, you know, he he's got into the game a bit more, but what's actually stood out

13:59to me more about grub and Taylor mentioned Ken, Kenneth Walker is his run game is so diverse.

14:07And it's the way it's presented as well, both in like pre-snap shifts and, and motion and that type

14:15of stuff, but also formationally like the, the, the running back being on the center,

14:21even in the pistol or just straight up on the center. So the defense doesn't have a directional

14:26tell. Cause if you're in the gun, he's most likely to cross the face of the QB and run it

14:29to one side and the defense can key in on that, but he's doing stuff where it's type types of

14:34run concepts, which are very North South, generally, and quite downhill that I haven't seen

14:41in the NFL. I've seen similar concepts, but it's the whole aspects that I talked about.

14:47I haven't seen that in the NFL. So that's super exciting. And that's really what, you know,

14:52got the ground game going. I think Walker had nearly six yards per carry and a lot of carries

14:59he's dealing with an oblique injury, but do I mean oblique?

15:05It was, if I remember, I think that sounds right. Yeah. Anyway, I'm not a doctor, but he might,

15:12he might be a bit banged up, but there's Zach Shabnay who can also pound the football. He's

15:17more of a, like, he's going to knock you and knock you on the floor. Whereas Walker can sometimes

15:21bounce it outside. So they're quite a cool one to punch, but yeah, I I'm impressed with Grubb,

15:26but it is a big thing for me, Mike, you know, how, how drop back can he be, you know, or,

15:33or does he have to be run first? I mean, just before the season DK Metcalfe came out and said,

15:36he was kind of mad because the first thing Grubb said to the team was we're going to run the

15:40football and DK predicted to be a run first offense. So there you go. Then they came out

15:46past two straight plays, second play Geno's hit and throws a pick and everyone's like, oh my gosh,

15:50this is terrible. This guy's fooling. So we'll see. And you mentioned the ground game watching

15:57it. That's something that stood out to me was the gun runs. They had inside zone. They had

16:01outside zone. They had the Kenneth Walker touchdown. Oh my God. Beautiful trap G lead.

16:07Then he makes a guy miss at the second level. Like that was gorgeous. Then the under center stuff,

16:11the way they use motion. Like, I hope we see this from the Patriots. Cause I know that Alex

16:16did it with the Browns, but like using the tight end in motion to give them an advantage on duo,

16:20creating the split flow with like the motion, then JSN going the other way with outside zone.

16:24It's a lot of stuff where you got to be on your P's and Q's and the Broncos. It's good. That's

16:29another reason I think that run game battle is going to be interesting because the past run

16:32defense, they're so disciplined. They're so structurally sound for the most part.

16:36And really just one of the few defenses in the league that can truly lock down the run

16:41because they have the personnel to do it. The Broncos as good as the run game design was,

16:45I'm like, what the hell are these guys doing? Like they're getting out gaffed guys getting

16:49blown off the ball at times. And it was exacerbated by the fact that it was well

16:53designed. So it's like, they don't have the Joe's or the Jimmy's to get it done and stop this run

16:58game. So I'm excited to see that when I don't have the, um, the ground game in one of my key

17:03match-ups, but there's a lot of good match-ups and that's definitely another one. All right.

17:08We will, uh, we have a couple more match-ups to get to, uh,

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18:12Most don't look like they're going to play, but I'm going with one of them and it's Jeff Wilson

18:15jr. More than half a touchdown. They love to run the ball on the goal line. Most are led the league

18:20with 18 rushing touchdowns last year. So Jeff Wilson jr. Gets across the goal line to a throws

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18:35Khalil Shakir to have less than 40 and a half receiving yards because Josh Allen completed

18:40passes to nine different players last week. They're spreading the football around.

18:43It's not going to be a ton of a ton of yards to go around, at least to rack up on your own.

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19:11We always get working. Yeah. Working through it. Uh, all right, let's keep moving on Maddie. We,

19:16uh, we talked about the one you brought to us was, uh, the Patsy line versus the Seahawks

19:20all line, uh, back to you. What other key matchup do you have that we can talk about here?

19:24The Pats run game versus the Seahawks run defense. Now this there's some history to this. Uh, so

19:33Taylor mentioned Alex van Pelt, right? Obviously the Browns OC last year. Now, what if I told you

19:38that in week 10, the Browns, uh, Jerome Ford rushed for 107 rushing yards versus the Baltimore

19:44Ravens and the Browns did some disgusting things. Now just having watched from Andre Stevenson

19:51and in week one, him having 13 broken and missed tackles per SIS, which is twice as many than any

19:56other player. And looking just at the formations and how that's dressed up, it's going to cause,

20:02I think, Seattle problems. If it doesn't, then I'm like, okay, McDonald's taking boxes. Because

20:07if you study his Ravens defense last year, second half of the sorry, let's start from the jump.

20:13First half of the season, they are like a top four, top five run defense unit by any metric

20:19accounting for garbage time, et cetera, et cetera. Second half of the season, they're 30th

20:25in, in run defense. They, their run defense fell off an absolute cliff. They got run the ball on

20:31now. Some of that may be some managed decline going on, but really it was a problem. They

20:35failed to address. They failed to stay on top on of, and against teams who are intent on running

20:40the football, who use tricky formations, like, you know, multiple tight ends, like what van

20:46Pelt does with like duo runs, like you power without the puller. And like with a bat with

20:50Stevenson, who can set linebackers up in the hole and then dive out of there and redirect and all

20:55that type of stuff. I am very excited from just like a football nerd standpoint of what's this

21:03matchup going to look like? Does Mike McDonald have, you know, an evolution and answer? There

21:08were some hints in the preseason against the Broncos. They, they had some tricky runs that,

21:14to be honest, they just didn't go back to. It's not really like Seattle stopped them. The,

21:17I don't know what really Sean Payton was thinking in the, in the second half,

21:20the game just got away from them for every reason. But yeah, there's a lot of tape out there.

21:25Baltimore struggling van Pelt's offense put up some of it as well. And the Broncos had some

21:31good runs against Seattle. So yeah, I'm really intrigued because Seattle's had the last two

21:38years, awful run defense as well. So this is quite a traumatic subject. So, you know, so we'll

21:45see. And I think Taylor too, we can, we can tie in one of your key matchups into this, which is

21:51the Patriots offensive line versus that Seattle front. Because, you know, although you look at

21:56this, this, I guess the run defense and the run stoppers and the guys that are up front, I mean,

21:59Byron Murphy, Jonathan Hankins, Leonard Williams, like it's names on names on names that can just

22:04beefy guys that are going to end in there and, and run a muck. So I figured we'd throw in that

22:11as well. When you want to give your analysis here to, you know, a hundred percent. And when it comes

22:16to especially the run game, I'm getting a sense that Layton Robinson and Mike and Wendy, we're

22:22going to be able to do some good things, but as long as there's concentrated double teams on

22:26Leonard Williams, he scares the crap out of me. I don't know. Was he look real quick? Was he looking

22:31this good last year? Because he came out looking like Quinn and Williams in week one. Yeah, no,

22:36he, he was very good last year. I think there's that front they have where they they're playing

22:41him. Like he's like guaranteed a one-on-one whereas last year he was getting comboed sometimes,

22:47which, you know, and then last year they had a, I don't want to bash a legend, but they had a guy

22:53behind him. He couldn't really move that well. So I feel just, you know, everyone playing quicker,

22:58everyone playing better. He's going to look, he's going to look better. But yeah,

23:01he was very good last year as well. And particularly, I think he's because run defense

23:05isn't as glitzy. It sometimes gets overlooked, particularly for, you know, if he's a big 350

23:10pound nose tackle, everyone's like, wow, it's so fun. If it's like a big three, everyone's like,

23:14we'll rush to pass it. That's, that's the way it goes. No one cares about run fits, but yeah,

23:19he was very good against one last year as well. So, yeah, whether it's pass or run, I think making

23:24sure that he is not one-on-one. And if he is, you have a plan where, all right, it's a one-on-one

23:29situation. I need to throw the ball hot. I feel like he's going to go against Leighton Robinson

23:34a lot, the right guard. Now Leighton was actually really good in pass protection when he was one-on-

23:39one. And that really has been going back to the summer. But the bigger issue for him was line

23:43games, blitzes and things that were really just testing him mentally because obviously he's a

23:47rookie. That's why I think it's going to be crucial for the Patriots to stay out of obvious passing

23:51situations and long yardage, because I don't really care, you know, if he makes some kind of

23:57jump in week two, it's still going to be tough for a rookie to be able to digest the kind of

24:01blitz schemes and pressure schemes he's going to see from Seattle. And then Boye Mafe, who I actually

24:06talked to Vidarian Lowe, who's the Patriots left tackle. He mentioned they played against each

24:10other when they were in college, when what was it, Illinois Mafe, was it Minnesota? He was like,

24:15yeah, man, he was good in college, but he was raw. And then I watched the tape and I was like,

24:19damn, he's he's gotten a lot better because obviously much more improved because of the

24:24technique and everything came into the NFL raw. But now he's dropping into coverage and making

24:29tackles. He put Garrett Bowles in a torture chamber, beat him early with an outside speed

24:34rush and then beat him inside twice. So I think Vidarian did a really good job against Trey

24:38Hendrickson, but Henderson really only tested him with speed. And then when he went speed to power,

24:43you started to see Vidarian kind of back up a little bit because he was committing so much

24:48to stopping the outside. I would be curious to see how he handles someone like Mafe, who

24:52obviously is scary around the edge, but can also counter inside and beat you really quickly,

24:57because if you do that with Jacoby, it's pretty much going to be a dead play, unfortunately.

25:01But the ground game, I feel like I did see, especially on downhill concepts,

25:05the Seahawks were giving up a little bit of ground as long as the Broncos were going away

25:09from Leonard Williams or at least doubling him. Like there was one carry I felt like could have

25:13gone for big yardage, but whoever the back was slipped in the backfield. And then there

25:17were some stuff where I know they used a few pitches, the Broncos, whether it was under

25:21center or from the gun. And in practice, I actually noticed that the Patriots were practicing

25:26tosses from under center and in the shotgun, which is not something we saw from them last

25:30week. Not sure whether that was because of game four or whatever. So yeah, the trenches once again

25:34are going to be huge on both sides of the ball, but Leonard Williams and Mafe are really the big

25:39two targets. I'm like, you got to make sure they don't wreck the game. And then Hank is also for

25:43the run defense. The Bengals didn't have their DJ reader, that guy who could just occupy bodies

25:49and give guys more one-on-one matchups. I think that's going to present another big challenge

25:52for the Pats whenever the Seahawks go into some of their five-name fronts.

25:58All right, well, that's the run game. Taylor, you have another one on the pass game and not just a

26:03general, a lot of these have been position rooms, position rooms, position rooms. You

26:07have a very specific player on player matchup to take us through. So let's hear it.

26:12So I'm actually going to open this up a little bit because I got a key piece of information.

26:16I was wondering how the Seahawks use their cornerbacks. I'm not sure if this is a week

26:20by week thing or what have you, but Rick Wolin is their boundary cornerback. Does that see,

26:25has that been the case going back to the summer, Matty?

26:29Well, well, what do you mean by boundary? That's like, that's a complicated thing. I think he'll

26:33move around some. I think they've, I mean, that brings you onto a cool discussion, right? Because

26:39in terms of like a big, long, tall corner, that's Rick Wolin. Yeah, he can run too, which, wow,

26:47that's cool. But also if you think about Devin Witherspoon, he's really physical for his size,

26:51but he is a smaller type of corner. So if you're thinking boundary field in that sense,

26:55Spoon would be the field, Wolin would be the boundary, but they are all really that whole

27:01DB group, the safeties, the corners, they're kind of able to play matchups. And I think week to week,

27:07it'll vary quite a bit. Under Pete Carroll, Wolin played on the right, Spoon on the left.

27:13Spoon sometimes moved into the slot, but Pete before that would play his best corner on the

27:18left side because right-handed quarterbacks open immediately to that side. With McDonald,

27:23these guys are going to travel around more. There's been talk of Wolin traveling. Spoon

27:28obviously has the nickel background where he has traveled before. So basically I wouldn't put too

27:35much stock in the boundary thing. In certain coverage calls, he'll be on the left or the right

27:40or to the field or to the boundary. So it'll be good to see what they actually end up picking and

27:46choosing. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because PFF made it seem like it was pretty strict. There was a little

27:51bit of variation, but I think it was like 50 for week on the boundary. So I kind of figured that

27:56was a matchup, but that was another thing I wanted to ask was whether or not if one guy starts popping

28:00off when they go with that strategy, are they going to switch it up? Because I was thinking

28:05that some of the better matchups for the Patriots might be a Trey Brown and Jalen Polk. Cause I

28:09think Jalen poke was a guy who got open last week. Didn't really get the primary looks.

28:14And there was a similar story with pop Douglas, who I think could give Devin Witherspoon. That's

28:18just, I think those two can just be good battles where no one really has a distinct advantage,

28:22but I think one person could win on any kind of rep. Whereas if it's, you know,

28:27Rick Wollin versus really anybody, but especially Taekwon Thornton. I'm like,

28:30yeah, I'm just not really going to look over that side. But the biggest thing for the Patriots

28:34offense, I think is being complimentary. I don't think this is a Seahawks defense where it's like

28:38the bangles where you can let them know what you're going to do. And you don't really care

28:42because they can't stop it. I think if you make yourself too obvious against the Seahawks,

28:46especially in critical situations, they're going to put the clamps on you. There's too

28:49much experience, too much talent range, explosiveness, all that stuff. So I think

28:54the past game at least just has to do enough where if you have off coverage, connect on that curl.

29:00If you want to double move, make sure you hit it. If somebody gets open, like they have to

29:03be opportunistic in the past game, just enough that Seattle has to respect their run game. So

29:08again, if it's Rick on anybody, I don't like the matchup, but if you get some pop on Devin

29:13Witherspoon, again, I think that's going to be back and forth because Witherspoon is so physical,

29:18but also pop is so shifty. I think if soon as you miss, he's pretty much gone. And then Jalen

29:23Polk with his ability to make contested catches and get some separation like he showed last week.

29:28I think that the Patriots passing game has a bit more of a chance in this one

29:31than I gave him credit for and heading into the week.

29:36Maddie, just quickly on that. I'm curious because Taylor, I know dove into the Seahawks

29:40tape a little bit last week. I did not watch any Seattle football. So I hit up there, but what did

29:46like how did the Broncos receivers last week, as far as like, well, what were the numbers?

29:51Like I know next, next one. Great. I obviously know through the interception that

29:55herbal interception to Julian love, which was just mind boggling, but how did they match up

30:00against these Broncos receivers last week? Oh yeah. I mean, Bonics was atrocious.

30:06It was really bad. It was really, really bad. I'd love to hear that one. Taylor,

30:10if I was a Denver fan, I, yeah, it'd be, it'd be rough.

30:14Um, we talked about it. I was like, yeah, he looks like Mack with legs. It was, that was rough.

30:20Yeah. Yeah. Um, anyway, that basically they got clamped as well, which didn't help, but

30:27at the same time, um, and this kind of is leading into another topic, but

30:33there was some openings down the field, like natural weak points in zone. And I think,

30:38you know, McDonald might go into this game and be like, I'm going to play a bunch of man-to-man

30:42because we feel we have better DBS than the packs receivers. We feel we have body types.

30:46You can match up with each of the body types. Uh, Taylor mentioned Trey Brown. He's kind of a

30:51short, a short guy. He's, he's won against Jamar Chase before. Um, but he's that type of body type.

30:56Uh, then you've got Woollen, um, and, and obviously Spoon, as we've mentioned.

31:00Uh, but, uh, man coverage was an area as well. It's a similar second half of the season collapse

31:05where first half of the season teams are kind of feeling out what the Ravens are doing last year.

31:10Um, and they were top five unit. Then second half of the season, they're

31:15terrible at man coverage. Um, so we'll, we'll have to see how that all, uh, shakes out really

31:21the issue was like condensed formations and Baltimore's rules for handling bunches and stuff.

31:27Honestly, you know, I watched, I see Taylor, you raised your eyebrows. I watched a lot of what the

31:32pats do and I'm like, it's going to cause, uh, Seattle, some schematic, um, challenges and

31:37execution challenges early in the season. So it's going to be a really fun matchup, but yeah, I didn't

31:41want to, I didn't want to get too much into the last matchup I've got here. I didn't want to.

31:46Yeah, that's fine. No, that's all. That is all well and good. We were going to, uh, I'm actually

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33:31All right. One more matter. Yeah, I'm going to write, I'm going to write a strongly worded letter

33:35or maybe I'll tweet at them. Uh, anyway, uh, one more matchup before we get into our predictions.

33:40Uh, Maddie, what do you got for us here? Uh, last, last matchup for you in Patriots versus Seahawks.

33:45Yeah. So you asked how the Broncos receivers did against Seattle and it would have looked

33:50quite different if, you know, Nick's could, uh, deliver an accurate football slash was

33:55timed up with his receivers slash had good feet, um, et cetera, et cetera. And I think

34:00Jacoby preset, um, I don't know. I'd love to know what you guys feel about him giving you,

34:04watch him every week, but probably slightly underrated. Um, I know there's a big kind of

34:11anticipation to see what Drake may has. And I'm looking forward to that moment when it comes,

34:17but I think he is able as he did. Uh, and Taylor, I saw you tweet a video, which is very useful

34:22preparing for this. Um, as he did when it sees two teams faced, well, these two teams, when he

34:28faced a Mike McDonald defense in week 10 of last year, he was peppering the types of routes that

34:33Nick's wasn't able to particularly the over the middle stuff where say the, you know,

34:37innermost receiver on a trip set runs flat or runs a shallow in. And then the slot receiver

34:44runs over the middle on a deeper in pattern. That is a thing where Seattle chose to move on

34:50from Bobby Wagner and Jordan Brooks. One of those decisions I agreed with the other, I didn't,

34:54but ultimately they brought in out. First, the first move was crazy. I just, that was nuts to

34:59me. I didn't, I didn't get it swapping though, actually, actually, and this is relevant for AFC

35:06but, um, having watched him in week one against for the dolphins, he looked like he looks shaky.

35:12So I have to see what's going on. There's something to monitor, but, um, yeah, yeah,

35:19I know. Anyway. Yeah. So now they've got Tyrell Dodson and Jerome Baker. I like Baker. I think

35:25again, AFC and Dodson. Um, uh, but, uh, yeah, I like, I like Baker. He's pretty solid, but he's

35:32more like a will really the middle of the defense, the Mike spot where Dodson's playing. There's a

35:37lot of stuff where you don't know until someone throws it. Now we've been through this with Russell

35:42Wilson where there was so many intermediate routes where it's like, is that open though?

35:46Like he didn't throw it. It looks open, but maybe it wasn't open. Um, then you get like

35:50Gino Smith and you're like, ah, yeah, no. Yeah. That is a throw. We've been kind of

35:56right. There you go. There you go. Anyway. Um, similar for linebacker zone coverage where it's

36:02like, well, he didn't need to cover it because the boarding go there. Uh, and he was right to

36:06hug the shallower route because the boarding go there and it did go to the shallower route.

36:10And, you know, so much as own coverage as well as your eyes on the QB,

36:13McDonald played a lot of zone and he plays a lot of zone with pure kind of spot drop eyes,

36:19vision on the QB. Uh, but there's a lot of deep in routes, particularly from the outermost receiver.

36:25Like if you thinking like you dagger concept, like 10 yard in slot runs down the seam, um,

36:31you know, stuff like that, where there's openings now, that's not criticism of McDonald necessarily.

36:39Um, and I think, you know, that's another reason he might play more mad coverage this game,

36:43but also it it's, it's a structural weakness, which is there. And I think

36:48preset will be able to hit. And I think also the way that van Pelt designs is play action game.

36:52We're going to find out, you know, can Dodson do these things or does, does Seattle have a

36:57middle linebacker issue? Uh, or, you know, do they have some calls or some evolution to answer it?

37:03This is why I'm so pumped up for this game. Cause I, we, one was, uh, we, one was like, uh, that

37:07was, that was fun. It looked shaky. And then it's like the Broncos might be one of the worst teams

37:11in football. Um, this looks like a real good matchup. It feels Taylor, before you get into

37:18the mattress specifically, you mentioned that Maddie, like how, you know, we're actually,

37:21you know, you're really excited for this week too. One, because Cincinnati game almost felt like,

37:27are they really going to beat the Bengals? Like the Bengal, you know, perennial Superbowl

37:31contender, Joe Barrow, one of the best, one of the better teams in the AFC. And then they beat

37:34them and it's like, okay. Yeah. But there was a lot of drama with the wide receivers and borrow

37:39still hurt. And it's like, yeah. Okay. They, they, they beat a tough Bengals team, a Bengals

37:43team that stinks to start seasons. Anyway, now it's like, okay, can they now get to two and O

37:48and beat the Seahawks? Who we talk about the micro tunnel defense and how they can kind of,

37:52you know, use these, you know, all the, all these different type fences and, and, uh,

37:58and pressure scheme, but not, so it's going to be this, this really feels like a litmus test

38:01for the Patriots, but clearly it feels like a litmus test from the Seahawks as well.

38:06You beat a bow, Nick's rookie quarterback in his first game, uh, in Seattle, like, okay,

38:11now can you do it again against the Patriots defense? That's so dominant,

38:14but regardless, Taylor continue. I just, that, that similarity stuck out to me.

38:19Yeah, no. And I, to your point about Jacoby said, I do think I heard somebody say today,

38:23he was a bottom five quarterback in the league. I'm like, come on. If you mean talent wise,

38:28then sure. Fine. But like, I think the reason that he's a starter right now. And the reason

38:33that van pill goes mentions it is his processing. And he got a lot of crap last week because there

38:37were some throws he didn't make. And, you know, the one that I really didn't get was like a

38:41double clutch. He had to pop Douglas where I could not explain why he double clutched,

38:45but then it came out high on a third down and it kind of took away the chance to convert.

38:49But like, there was one in the red zone where he checks down to Ramond Dray. And I'm like,

38:52they're ahead and Trey Hendrickson's ripping off the edge. Like they're in Lowe's doing a solid

38:57job, but you need to at least have the mindset of being like, okay, he's probably just trying

39:02to make sure they don't take a bad play. And van Pelt confirmed that where he, I think he

39:06mentioned the one where, um, the one to pop where, uh, poke was open backside on a slant or glance.

39:11And he was like, yeah, you know, we just were in a pretty good spot. And I think that Jacobi

39:15just wanted to play it safe. And that's why I really like him against this kind of defense,

39:20where he's not like a young quarterback would scare the crap out of me. Cause he's going to

39:24be seeing so many different things. Even if you think you're prepared, one guy could drop into

39:28a void that you're not expecting because of how many weird kind of fronts they show. Everyone's

39:33on the line, but they also have range. So they're going to get back there pretty fast. A young guy

39:37might not read that out, but Jacobi is going to be like, no, if I see space in like three yards

39:43downfield, I'm going to take it and trust my guys to just get whatever yardage they can after the

39:47catch. And I will say this CRS defense, like they, there were some missed tackles. It felt

39:51like at the second and third levels, but they swarm so much. It doesn't really matter. Cause

39:56like there was like, Oh, who was it? The bachelor, like breaking all these tackles. And it's like,

40:00all right, one guy, he slips his tackle, but then there's another guy right after that.

40:03And then the third guy finally gets him down. So it's going to be difficult, but at least

40:07Jacobi is going to take what's there. And a part of his game that I don't think people are getting

40:11enough, giving him credit for is if he needs to be aggressive, he will like, if they need a dry

40:15and they really need to score, he's going to try to hit somebody downfield. Now, will he connect?

40:20We haven't seen that consistently. That's my biggest question mark for him. And when they

40:24had those downfield opportunities, can he capitalize if they can? I agree. This will

40:29be a legitimate back and forth game where the last possession is probably going to decide it.

40:33But if it's like last week where he can't really take advantage and maybe he does want to play it

40:38safe, I think he'll be situationally aware. But like I said, they need to be complimentary and

40:43be able to pick their spots and know when to take those shots. But it's going to be interesting.

40:48I'm curious as well. And do you think the linebackers are weakness in run defense at all?

40:55I was curious about that because like a lot of it done in the second and third levels were like

41:00more just helping out. Yeah, I think they're fine. I think it's more structural weakness than it is

41:07them being poor. I actually like Dodson coming downhill, like in a in a box, like a classic

41:12prototype. Like it's just crazy. This is like a league wide thing, right? Just how light these

41:17guys are, just generally like they're just so much lighter than they used to be. It doesn't

41:21seem to be a problem. But yeah, I think they're pretty good filtering through stuff and like,

41:27you know, playing almost two gapping when they need to and that type of stuff. But yeah, this

41:33is a much sterner test. And, you know, we talk about all the diverse looks and I think Seattle

41:39had a 44.9% pressure percentage per PFF, which led the league, which a lot of that was Knicks

41:44as well. Like the quarterback is responsible for some of that. But just don't let them get

41:49in exotic looks, like run them out of those looks, play action them out of those looks,

41:53force them into base defense and pick on, you know, some of those voids in the coverage,

42:01the intermediate stuff, which showed up last week. And call a similar game plan to which you did in

42:08week 10 last year, Alex Van Pelt, where, you know, I think it's going to be a fun one.

42:16And that's the thing that's so fascinating to me with the Van Pelt angle is that

42:20he knew Cincinnati, he played Cincinnati for, you know, for X amount of years while he was in

42:24Cleveland. Then he comes here and he goes against Mike McDonald, the defense he's been calling,

42:27you know, or, or helping schemes against forever. So I wonder how much of an advantage it actually

42:32is, but I think at least familiarity as you're getting your offense going to kind of trying to

42:37find out your identity, going against defenses that you've worked against before should at least

42:42give you a little bit of an advantage, I would think. And also my last thing I'll say in the show

42:47is I do agree. I think they should go more man. Cause when I'm looking at how the Browns,

42:51especially with your set tried to answer, man, there weren't a whole lot like they did. It was

42:56really curls and taking a shot on go route. So yeah, if I'm Mike McDonald, I'm saying show that

43:01you can beat me in man. Cause I'm not going to give you the easy stuff versus. So I'm excited.

43:05It's going to be fun, Maddie. You mentioned it two or three times where like two teams and I

43:10probably said it, this is my third time saying it now, but it feels like a litmus test for two

43:14teams that want to win and play with an identity and are trying to find out if they can do it.

43:19Moving forward, you win one game. Can it work again? So those are our matchups. Let's get to

43:25our predictions. We're going to give it to you, Maddie. First. How do you see this game going?

43:29Can Seattle beat the Patriots? Do the Patriots squeak out another win this week score prediction?

43:34How does it go? Well, it's the first 10 AM road game of the McDonald era, which it was a problem

43:40for Pete Carroll early. And then he kind of fixed that. Uh, do you know what I'm going to go? I'm

43:45going to be a Homer or a roader and go at 24, 21 to the Seahawks, but I think it'd be a close game.

43:52Um, and, and a fun game for the reasons we spoke about. All right, Taylor, what do you got?

43:58I'm going because they won last week when I went with my heart instead of my brain.

44:02I'm going to do that again. I'm doing it again. I think the Patriots do win this one. I'm going

44:07with more like a 21, 17 kind of game. I do hesitate to even predict that either one of

44:12these teams is going to get over 20. I was like, I want to put a fat asterisk next to that. I just,

44:16that number is in my head. Uh, but I just think that this is going to be an opportunity for the

44:21staff, for the Patriots offense to show that they really are as versatile and flexible as they say

44:26they are. So they don't have to just be a duo team. Maybe they can run wide zone when bypassing

44:31the ball, you know, hopefully we see that, but I think the past can definitely pull this one out.

44:35So I picked against the Patriots last week and they proved me wrong. So I'm going to jump on

44:40the Homer train. I was going to say, I'll jump on the Homer train with Taylor somehow, some way

44:45this Patriots team gets the two and Oh, similar score prediction. Taylor, I have 20 to 17 written

44:50down. Uh, I think the Patriots can hold off. Uh, I do think it's going to be a close game. All of

44:54us picked one score games. I think it's going to be tight. I think it's going to be fun. I think

44:57both teams win or lose. You would hope still can gain some momentum and keep moving forward.

45:02And regardless of, you know, the final score, they continue to build that identity, uh, and see where

45:07that goes. So again, Patriots welcoming the Seahawks, uh, to new England on Sunday for a 1

45:12PM kickoff, 10 AM on the West coast. Uh, Maddie, thank you so much for joining us. This was super

45:17fun. Uh, before we let you go, where can everybody find you and all of your fabulous Seattle Seahawks

45:23coverage? Well, thanks for having me. It's been really fun. Um, at Matthew Brown on Twitter or X,

45:30wherever we call that. Uh, and then a Seahawks on tape.com where some of the things I spoke about

45:35is, you know, articles with data and videos and a bit more explanation. And if you want to learn

45:40how Mike McDonald's defensive fronts work, there's stuff there, the key indicators, the season,

45:45et cetera, et cetera. And then the Seattle overload podcast with, uh, yeah, which, which is a podcast

45:52on the Seahawks. So if you, if you, I think we're doing a tape episode tonight. So if you want to

45:55watch some Seahawks tape with us, more than welcome. Awesome. Well, this was super fun. Uh,

46:01again, thank you so much for joining us again, Patriots taking on the Seahawks on Sunday at one

46:04me and Taylor will be back tomorrow on Friday for our look at our keys to the game and how the

46:10Patriots can get to know what they need to do in order to win this one. So until tomorrow,

46:15thanks for watching. Take care of yourselves, take care of each other, and we'll talk to you

46:19next time. Peace out y'all.

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