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00:00This is the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick Cavins.

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00:51Let's talk joint practice against the Philadelphia Eagles from yesterday, Greg.

00:56I saw your appearance on Felger and Maz.

00:58Boy, you were a happy fella.

01:00But before we get to that, let's get to actually the good stuff.

01:04You want to start with the good stuff, and the good stuff was the defense yesterday.

01:08I'll just paint the picture here for people.

01:11Greg and I ended up in the same area in the perch.

01:14I've been to four padded practices in the joint practice, so I've been there five times

01:19during this camp season, and I've made sure that I'm in the perch.

01:24So I was in the perch, which is red level, kind of near 98.5, the patriots.com guys.

01:30I like sitting there to see everything, to be above the field.

01:34Greg had a separate perch when he goes to training camp.

01:38It's really the Greg Bedard perch.

01:39He's the only person there.

01:41He is tucked away from everybody else being antisocial, and he was unable, incapable of

01:49having his perch yesterday because fans were there.

01:53So Greg then-

01:54It was huge.

01:55Huge crowd.

01:56Huge crowd.

01:57I think I saw 11,000 plus people there yesterday.

02:00And so Greg found it worthwhile and meaningful to intrude in my space, and decided to join

02:07me in my perch.

02:09I also noticed that as the practice went on, Greg got further and further away from me.

02:14I don't know if that was a personal or professional statement, but I thought by the time the practice

02:18was over, Greg might be in the parking lot while I was still in the perch.

02:21So that's where we're at.

02:23We're watching.

02:24And I am not a brand amongst myself.

02:26Well, I kind of am, right?

02:28I'm the only person.

02:29I'm just watching the offense.

02:30The offense is in front of us.

02:31The defense was on the field further away from Greg and I, where most of the fans were,

02:36where the stands are.

02:38And so Mike Giardi was watching the defense while Greg was watching the offense, and I

02:43was watching the offense along with Greg.

02:45So let's attack the defense first and let people know that this is the account of Mike

02:50Giardi.

02:51This is what Mike saw, how he felt, and we'll begin with the pass rush, Greg.

02:56Mike saw a consistent pass rush, and not only was the pass rush consistent, he also saw

03:01lots of different guys getting home, so to speak.

03:06Yeah.

03:09You aptly described the scenario, and yes, I am a little bit antisocial when it comes

03:16to watching trading camp practices.

03:17I mean, you know, everybody does it differently.

03:20Some people like to sit on the hill with other people and chitchat and compare notes and

03:26stuff like that.

03:28I just like to be by myself, so I don't like to be tainted by other people's opinions.

03:34I want to just make my own opinions, and it was really not about moving away from you.

03:41It was more trying to find a place where I could see both fields unobstructed, and also

03:49the best position for me to hold my binoculars and write notes at the same time.

03:56But we did compare and contrast a few times.

04:01Like you said, similarly, I focused on the offense.

04:06I needed to see the offensive line and the quarterbacks and Drake Bay against the Eagles.

04:11Mike took the defense.

04:13Now there were snaps where the Patriots offense was huddling up or whatnot, so we could look

04:19over at the other field in the team periods, and I thought that the Patriots defense did

04:26really well from what I saw.

04:28I mean, there was a touchdown to Saquon Barkley.

04:34Matthew Judon had to cover him on a wheel route 40 yards down the field.

04:37I mean, that's not good for anybody.

04:39That's a win for the Eagles.

04:41They got the matchup they wanted, and it happened.

04:46I did see Christian Gonzalez break up a pass to A.J. Brown, sort of like a short hitch

04:50in the flat.

04:51That was nice.

04:53I think it seemed like Gonzalez struggled a little bit in one-on-ones.

04:57Again, I'm not panicking about that, because unless it's in the red zone, there's no help

05:03for the defense.

05:04I mean, it's all advantage for the offense.

05:07They know where they're going.

05:09They know how to set up guys.

05:10The quarterback doesn't have a pass rush.

05:12Eventually, everybody's going to get open against anybody.

05:16I'm not alarmed about that, but I did think in team periods, I probably saw more snaps

05:22of the defense in team red zone.

05:24I thought they did really well, saw the two-minute period where they ended up stopping the Eagles

05:30at about, I want to say, the 10 or 12-yard line, forced four and out at the end of it.

05:37That's the first team Eagles.

05:38I will say what was significant for me was seeing the pass rush get home, and it was

05:44a variety of guys against an Eagles offensive line that we know is really good and one of

05:51the best.

05:52Now, they're going through some transition.

05:54No more Jason Kelsey at center.

05:56They had Jurgens at center.

05:58Mekhi Becton, the former Jet first-round bust, so to speak, he was at right guard and probably

06:05the largest right guard I've ever seen in my life.

06:09That's why I'm laughing.

06:10I'm laughing because we're sitting there, and Greg shoots his head over at me quick

06:14and goes, Nick, I look over, and Greg's like, you're playing Becton at right guard.

06:19I said, yeah, I read that last week, and then we're both looking at him, and he is just

06:25a freaking monster.

06:26He's like 6'7", 400, whatever the hell.

06:29He's a giant at guard.

06:31It's like you're watching- How do you even throw over him?

06:35It doesn't add up looking at it, but he is a large human being.

06:40Yeah, and so, look, this comes to mind because I was watching, I think it was BST last night,

06:51and they were making note that Gerard Mayo was with the offense, the Patriots offense

06:58as opposed to the defense, and they thought that was significant, and maybe that had something

07:02to do with he wanted to see what Alex Van Pelt was up to.

07:06I don't read it that way at all.

07:08I mean, that could be the case, but I will say normally in these joint practices, what

07:14happens is you have a head coach on each field, and so it's very normal for Nick Sirianni

07:22to want to be with his offense because it's basically his offense, and so that Gerard

07:27Mayo was basically the head coach of the other field, the supervisor of the other field,

07:33I don't think had any significance at all.

07:35It could have, but in my experience, that didn't mean anything, but I thought the Patriots

07:43defense did well.

07:45I do think that on both sides of the ball for the Eagles, there's some transition going

07:51on.

07:52Jalen Hurts did not have a good year last year.

07:55We all know what happened to the Eagles down the stretch.

07:57They completely fell apart.

07:59They're going through a lot of growing pains.

08:01We know they have talent in a lot of different spots.

08:05Defensively, they were a train wreck last year to the point where they had to put Matt

08:09Patricia in to run somebody else's scheme, which went about as well as it sounds.

08:17It was a complete debacle.

08:18There was no way Matt Patricia was going to be back in Philly this year.

08:22They have Vic Fangio, who I love.

08:24I have a great deal of respect for one of the godfathers of defense in the NFL.

08:31They're working through some things.

08:33It wasn't a talented Eagles team.

08:35No doubt, Howie Roseman does a good job in that regard, but in terms of where they are

08:40and how formidable they are, I wouldn't say this was a huge, huge test, but it was a good

08:48individual test, I would say.

08:51As far as the pass rush, I looked over and probably saw, I'd say, my guess, anywhere

08:56between 10 and 15 snaps of the defense yesterday, because, again, I was mostly focused on the

09:00offense like Greg was.

09:02I saw Tavai get home at one point.

09:03I saw Judon get home once or twice, so it did look like the pass rush was there.

09:09The other part of the defensive line that Giardi brought up was Devon Gottschall in

09:13pretty much Gottschall 8 against the Philadelphia offensive line of run game.

09:17It was kind of displacement.

09:18It did really well.

09:21That's good to see, right, Greg?

09:22With Barmore out especially, Gottschall, you need, they're different players, and Gottschall's

09:28not the pass rush guy, he's not going to be making plays on the quarterback too often,

09:33but to have Gottschall be that steady anchor, at least on early downs, is critical for this

09:38defense, correct?

09:39Yeah, I thought, especially Gottschall, we'll probably get into the Panthers preseason game

09:48a little bit.

09:49I'm a little concerned about the defensive interior.

09:54I think there's a bunch of places in this roster where the depth is razor thin, and

10:00I think that's one of the places.

10:02But for them to do what it appeared they did, now, you know, I did see the Eagles pop off

10:07on some runs, that's for sure.

10:09But considering how different that run defense is, and another thing I wanted to point out,

10:16and it's an interesting choice to me, normally when we're in training camp, we see the defense

10:27and offense run off cards, which means they are, even for a preseason game, they prepare,

10:34at least in the past, watching Bill Belichick and all those guys, they prepare for the upcoming

10:39opponent, which gives you a look at their scheme, and some of the basic stuff that you're

10:45going to see.

10:47I haven't seen them work off of cards at all in this camp, and so I don't think they were

10:52really prepared for the Eagles.

10:54It's an interesting choice when you're talking about what's going on with the offense, that

10:57they're not doing this.

10:58Yeah, let me jump in for a second, because it's the opportune time to do so.

11:04I saw something, it jumped out at me, and I'm glad you brought this up, because when

11:08Drake May was speaking to the media yesterday, I saw this on, I think it was early edition

11:13yesterday, on NBC Sports Boston, and Drake said that they really hadn't prepared for

11:18Philadelphia, that they were going out there, feel their way through things, then they were

11:24going to take the film and watch what happened at the joint practice, and then prepare for

11:29the preseason game tomorrow night, and I found that fascinating, that they pretty much went

11:33out there and said, let's just naturally let this thing develop and organically figure

11:38out what they're doing.

11:40I didn't know if that was a usual occurrence, but according to you, it is not, especially

11:44under Bill Belichick.

11:45Yeah, that confirms what I believed and what I've seen, because I was even looking at sort

11:54of my practice report from camp, and I have this disclaimer with quarterback stats, where

12:00I explain, and it's from years past, because it's just a copy and paste of what I've done

12:05in years past, trying to be consistent, and what I say is, I'm not going to have the same

12:10number of plays, or passes, or attempts, quarterback stats, as other people, because there are

12:15periods where the team works off of cards, and I don't count that, because basically

12:23the defense isn't really competing, but I haven't noticed any of that in camp, and that

12:30is certainly a decision, and now that I think about it, with the struggles of the offense,

12:38would that have something to do with it?

12:40Hell yes, and I don't really understand that.

12:44I'm trying to remember what Mike McCarthy used to do, because we know Van Pelt came

12:49from that.

12:52I seem to remember them working off cards a lot.

12:54Now you will start to work, they'll start to work off of cards for the regular season

12:59opener, but normally you try to, even Belichick mentioned this, I think when he was on the

13:05McAfee show this week, where you do a little preparation for the preseason game, just to

13:11give your guys a chance, and so that was certainly another interesting choice by this coaching

13:18staff.

13:19Yeah, I'm trying to find the quote, and I just can't find the quote, but I remember

13:22Drake May saying something along the lines of, that they hadn't really prepared for what

13:26they were going to see yesterday, because it stood out to me, and when you just mentioned

13:30the whole card thing, my mind, the switch went off a little bit, and I said, oh wait,

13:35the Drake May thing.

13:37It is a very interesting decision by that coaching staff.

13:40Last thing about the defense that I wanted to hit on, Giardi brought up the secondary

13:45depth being an issue, and I appreciate Mike.

13:49I'm not really worried about that right now, because, and Mike mentioned that there was

13:54no Marcus Jones, there was no Jonathan Jones.

13:57I don't know how many fourth or fifth corners are going to be capable of slowing down A.J.

14:01Brown and or Devante Smith.

14:03So relatively speaking, the fact that Marco Wilson and Alex Austin and Isaiah Bolden struggled

14:10against two of the best receivers in the game, to me it's like, yeah, expected, and if you

14:16go into a game against those guys, a game that actually counts, I would just have to

14:20imagine Gonzalez would be put on one of them, and yesterday it was mostly Smith in the 11

14:25on 11, the team periods, and I would imagine that that second corner would get some help

14:32on the back end, and I wonder, Greg, I don't know if you got to see it or not, but I do

14:36wonder, was this more of like a test these guys out thing, because Gerrard's talked about

14:43trying to find that corner behind Marcus and Jonathan, and they brought up Marco Wilson,

14:48so maybe this was a sink or swim moment for those other cornerbacks, and they put him

14:53against A.J. Brown for the most part and said, all right, let's see how you do one-on-one

14:57against that beast.

15:00Yeah, I would think so.

15:03I mean, we're going to discuss a little bit more about their decisions as it relates to

15:10the secondary and pass rush, some of the decisions by DeMarcus Covington later, but it seems

15:19like Jonathan Jones and Marcus Jones and even Sean Wade are getting closer.

15:25They all retreated to the rehab field after stretching yesterday.

15:29Sean Wade's definitely competing with, I think, Alex Alston and Marco Wilson, you know, with

15:35those guys, Isaiah Bolden and Marcellus Dial.

15:37Yeah, I think there's nothing wrong with putting these bubble guys in a position where there

15:43are a few slots up, but they're competing, and that's good tape and good evidence for

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17:22So I was, to move along to the offense now, I was sitting at home last night in the living

17:27room and I was perusing through YouTube and I came across 98FabTheSportsHub and a YouTube

17:34video post of one Greg Bedard.

17:38And boy, you made Mike Felger happy yesterday.

17:41Whoa, no, Felger doesn't get as excited.

17:47I don't know if you can get him to pitch a tent quicker in any other way than to go

17:55into that studio and just blister some of the stuff you saw like you did yesterday.

18:00The Felger was in heaven, he was laughing, he was the happiest I've ever seen him.

18:04As you were just ripping apart the offense.

18:08You and I watched the offense yesterday, 30,000 feet, what we saw yesterday wasn't very good.

18:15But let's start with the offensive line.

18:17Just kind of your thoughts and get as minutiae as you want to about those guys up front.

18:22Yeah, and at the top, let me say this, because I understand how things go on FelgerMass and

18:27of course my Twitter feed was filled with it over the last day because I know my comments

18:35got a lot of run everywhere and probably scared the bejesus out of a lot of people.

18:41What happens is I give my take, people hear the headlines, Mike regurgitates the headlines

18:48when I'm done.

18:49Normally, all the doomsday stuff, they run that back and they don't mention or highlight

18:58some of my other comments.

19:01Let me just be clear, since Felger's not here to mangle what I'm saying, is yes, yesterday

19:09was a train wreck for the offense.

19:13It got worse as the practice went on.

19:18It was horrifying.

19:20It was some of the worst offense I've seen in any training camp.

19:26Right up there with some of the lowlights from the Matt Patricia years.

19:32I do think it's a little bit different.

19:34I think that the Patricia offense had some talent.

19:38Matt had no idea what he was doing.

19:42Now, I think that the coaches know what they're doing on this team.

19:46I think that the talent is a little bit limited.

19:49I do think that they, like we've mentioned, not preparing for the team, that's not going

19:55to help.

19:56It's going to look worse.

19:58It just is.

20:02Drake May does feel miles away for me in terms of where he is in this offense, how he looks,

20:11that sort of thing.

20:13That being said, that is today.

20:15That is my opinion today after watching what we saw.

20:19Now, do I think that they are necessarily going to be a horrific offense and only win

20:25one game and Drake May is a bust?

20:29No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

20:32Both can be true.

20:34I can give my opinion on what I saw yesterday and what I've seen in camp to this point,

20:39but you also have to remember it is now the middle of August.

20:41They're not playing basically until the middle of September.

20:45There's like three, four weeks left, almost a month left for them to prepare for the opener.

20:52That's a lot of time.

20:53That's a lot of time, practice time that we're not going to see because we don't see them

20:58in practice after yesterday.

21:00The only thing that we're going to see is the last preseason game and we don't know

21:02what we're going to see in that game.

21:08Did that practice have me questioning a lot of things about what's going on and some of

21:12the choices that they made?

21:14Yes.

21:15Do I think that they possibly mis-evaluated how far away Drake May was?

21:21Yes.

21:22But that doesn't mean that he's going to be a bust or anything like that.

21:26I've always been of the opinion.

21:29People can go back, BSJ members can go back and read my Drake May pre-draft evaluation.

21:34I read it on the air yesterday and I basically said he needs to sit for at least a year.

21:39I'm fine with that.

21:41To me, it's all about the decisions made for 2025.

21:44Yeah, it might be rough this year in points, but as long as they improve at some point,

21:51like the middle of the season, they improve towards the end and maybe we get to see a

21:54little bit of Drake May and we say, holy cow, this guy looks completely different than

21:58what we saw in the middle of August.

22:00Like I'm all good.

22:02That means that the franchise is on the right track.

22:05But specific to the offensive line, yeah, what went on yesterday and how basically everybody

22:12got beat.

22:13And it was a combination of free rushers, guys just getting beat one-on-one, the quarterbacks,

22:21especially Drake May, probably factoring into some of it, holding onto the ball, a little

22:25bit of indecision, not making the right checks at the line.

22:32It was very concerning.

22:33To me, it's the type of practice and I heard from a couple coaches who heard me yesterday

22:38and they were like, Greg, you're 100% correct.

22:41This is the type of practice where everyone goes back into the meeting room either yesterday

22:47or today and they say, okay, how are we going forward?

22:51They need to reevaluate everything.

22:52Are they going to continue this Vidarian low thing at left tackle?

22:56Do you think about giving a guy, here's a positive, Leighton Robinson has had a hell

23:01of a couple weeks, including the preseason game, one-on-ones yesterday against the Eagles.

23:09He's done a really nice job.

23:11Do you give it a look, and it's probably too late for Thursday's game against the Eagles,

23:15but starting after that, do you give it a look where you kick a winning out to right

23:18tackle?

23:19You put Leighton Robinson in at right guard, and now you just have to worry about left

23:23tackle.

23:24Maybe you think about putting a core four back over there who we know is at least a

23:29professional and has played in this league and at times played well.

23:34It was rough yesterday, but they got to figure that out because talking about the offense,

23:40talking about Alex Van Pelt, talking about Drake May where he is, it doesn't mean crap

23:47if they can't block anything, and that includes the run game, which didn't look that great

23:52either yesterday.

23:53Yeah, we'll get to the run game in a little bit.

23:56Just a few thoughts on the O-line.

24:01I like to differentiate the top O-line and the rest of the O-line, and I thought pre-Carolina

24:07preseason game, before we got to that game last Thursday night, the top offensive line

24:12did not look bad, at least to me.

24:15It didn't look like a fire drill.

24:17It didn't look like 20-23.

24:19It looked like they had settled in somewhat, and were they going to be a great offensive

24:24line?

24:25No.

24:26But were they going to lose their ass?

24:28No.

24:29Top offensive line.

24:31Carolina game, a core four who missed a few practices goes out there and makes at least

24:36two or three mistakes.

24:39By the way, let me just say, I did not like that.

24:41He hadn't practiced for like three days, and then you throw him in at game speed and

24:45full contact, that was just not a good decision.

24:49Unfair.

24:50Unfair to a core four.

24:52So took a little bit of a step back, and so had been the second best offensive lineman

24:56in camp behind a winner, and so took a slight step back against Carolina.

25:00I just want to make this point, because I haven't heard a lot of people make it.

25:05When you look at the totality of the camp, that top offensive line wasn't doing a bad

25:10job until Carolina.

25:12Then you had the Carolina game, and then you had the joint practice yesterday, which was

25:15abominable.

25:16And so now we look at it and we go, okay, how much has to change?

25:20You brought up the Ueno idea, sliding him out to right tackle.

25:24Would you entertain the idea, Greg, of giving Caden Wallace maybe a couple of reps on the

25:29left side?

25:31He was up and down early in camp, but would you go back to that and see if he could really

25:36give something more than low, or are you just done with that idea and you'd rather

25:41mess with the right side and then maybe kick a core four to the left?

25:45So what I would do if I was in charge is I would definitely either use practice or the

25:51remaining preseason games to take a look at Robinson at right guard and Ueno at right

25:58tackle.

25:59And then I would let Caden Wallace and Chooksacore four battle it out for left tackle, like let

26:07them compete.

26:10Flip series if you have to.

26:12To me, Vidarian Lowe and Calvin Anderson have been huge issues at offensive tackle.

26:19You're right.

26:20At times, they've shown really well.

26:23Vidarian Lowe had some really rough film against the Panthers, the kind of stuff where

26:29he looked really light.

26:32He looked about 260 pounds.

26:34He's getting pushed around easily by second string Carolina Panthers.

26:41And so I think they need to go back into the room.

26:46They need to discuss it.

26:47But they have to figure out, all right, well, what are we going to do at left tackle?

26:51To me, I think a core four and Wallace battling it out there would be the right thing to do.

26:56And then take a look at Robinson at right guard to see whether he can handle it.

27:03I mean, it's not especially around here.

27:05It's not unusual for a middle to late offensive coordinator, late round offensive lineman

27:15to pop and play meaningful minutes to start for this team.

27:18I mean, look at a winning.

27:19What was he?

27:20A six round pick?

27:21And you were like, holy crap, they have something like Robinson has made me feel that way when

27:27I've watched him at times, especially the Panthers game.

27:30And I know internally they're high on him.

27:33And now it's time for the coaches to get on board.

27:35Yeah.

27:36Shaq Mason would be another guy who was later rounds of guard who did a good job early in

27:41his career.

27:42All right.

27:43So I think the offensive line thing directly leads into the Drake May conversation.

27:48And I saw you yesterday.

27:50I don't necessarily agree with you saying that, you know, and look, you have watched

27:56a lot more practices than I have, and I'm sure there are little things you're picking

27:59up about May that I don't pick up.

28:03But my number one takeaway from yesterday when I walked out of that practice and I said

28:08this to you, I think at the time, I have no clue where Drake May is.

28:14I don't know if he's far behind.

28:16I don't know if he's behind.

28:18I don't know if he might be on schedule.

28:21And I'm not saying that to defend or excuse Drake May.

28:25It's just this offensive line, especially yesterday, was so bad that the last two 11

28:31on 11 periods were absolutely useless.

28:34Greg, six of the 12 snaps were, quote, unquote, sacks, a bad snap from Moffey and another

28:40another snap, another play that ended up with a pocket that started to collapse around May.

28:46And I think May just threw the football away because he saw the soldiers charging after

28:51him.

28:54It's like it's like going to the ER.

28:56I said this to Kelly last night.

28:58When you go to the ER, say you have multiple injuries, the ER nurse, the ER doctor is going

29:05to tend to what needs to be tended to first.

29:09They want to take care of the immediate threat to your life, right?

29:12To me yesterday, the immediate threat was not Drake May, not even close.

29:17The immediate threat that needed to be taken care of was the offensive line.

29:22That was where the triage had to be focused on.

29:25And so it's very difficult for me to draw any grand conclusion about where Drake May

29:31is when the offensive line is so bad and some of the operation is certainly on him.

29:36But the snaps are not consistent, especially when you have Moffey out there.

29:40It's just very difficult for me to know where he is, given the bleep show that was in front

29:45of him yesterday.

29:46And it has been in front of him for, I would say, most of camp.

29:53I don't disagree with that.

29:56Two points that I wanted to make first, you mentioned Moffey and it triggered something

29:59in my mind.

30:02And let me preface this sort of like the tool bag question about Matthew Judon yesterday.

30:07I love David Andrews.

30:09I think I'm one of his biggest fans.

30:11I think he's completely underrated by not only nationally, but this fan base.

30:19And I knew he's been through some things personally in the last couple weeks with his child.

30:24And I obviously have totally understand that.

30:31I am going to be a little critical of, and I don't know what's going on.

30:35I don't know if he has an injury, which makes this valid.

30:39But David Andrews, in the last week, has checked out of some team periods, like sat out, okay?

30:49Including yesterday, there was a team period against the Eagles where he sat out.

30:56That means that Nick Leverett is now the starting center, and that means Antonio Moffey and

31:03or Liam Fornadel, another guy who I will say as a positive has had a really good couple

31:08weeks.

31:09He reminds me of Dan Connolly, probably because he's wearing 63 out there.

31:13Dan was one of my favorite players to cover.

31:17But when he's gotten a chance at center and at guard, he's done a really nice job the

31:21past couple weeks.

31:22And so I don't know why they keep putting Moffey out there.

31:24But my point in saying this is when David chooses not to practice, and I wonder if this

31:30is one of the, again, I'm not saying this because he could have an injury.

31:36I don't know.

31:37And he could have some issues where he can't go the full practice, and he's a veteran,

31:44and that's fine.

31:45I understand.

31:46But is this an example of Mayo being a little bit looser with the players being like, hey,

31:53especially the veterans, captains, like, hey, if you need to duck out of practice or you

31:57need to take a series off, that's fine.

31:59I get it.

32:04But the downside of that is David not being on the field has a trickle down effect that

32:09affects Drake May and a bunch of other people.

32:12And to me, it's just not good for Drake May.

32:21And I think Mayo needs to figure out what's going on there and be like, David, we need

32:28you out there, at least with the starters, because Leverett's fine for May.

32:33But once we get away from that, it's a train wreck.

32:36But I agree with you.

32:37In terms of Drake May, I can't tell where he is.

32:42I can't with the offensive line.

32:44Now, that being said, because I agree with your point.

32:48That being said, in my experience covering the National Football League, the decisions

32:54that coaches make in practice, there's a reason for it.

32:59Why aren't they giving him some snaps with the starting offensive line?

33:05Is that just something they believe in?

33:07Or in my experience, it's he's not ready for that.

33:12And what's the truth?

33:15I don't know.

33:16And all I can go on.

33:17You know, Mayo, every time he's asked about Drake May and not getting snaps with so-and-so

33:20and this, he's like, when he's ready, he'll get that.

33:24To me, that means he's not ready.

33:26And so all I can do is take that and put it together with what I'm seeing at practice

33:32and come to the conclusion that he is miles away from starting a game in the National

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35:58A couple things about that though, about the idea of may not playing behind the top offensive

36:04line, at least for a series or two.

36:08I just want to talk about the plan and I want to pick apart your brain about what we've

36:12seen play out here against Carolina in that preseason game.

36:17I understood the idea of not putting may behind the second team offensive line because the

36:23bullets were flying and you might be a little concerned how it would impact the rookie quarterback.

36:29I said this on Saturday on 98.5 Greg, during the shift I did, if I'm Mayo, I'm Alex van

36:37Pelton.

36:38I'm going into that game.

36:39I would rather have Drake may start that game against Carolina and get both series with

36:46the top offensive line and your top skilled players than playing Jacoby Brissett a handful

36:52of snaps because we know who Jacoby Brissett is.

36:55We understand who he is as an NFL quarterback.

36:58I don't think five to six or seven snaps in a preseason game is going to impact Jacoby

37:04Brissett that much, especially when he's going to get a lot of snaps against Philly

37:09at the joint practice and might end up getting more snaps tomorrow night in the preseason

37:13game.

37:14So I didn't have much of an issue with may, you know, behind that first offensive line

37:19and not wanting to put him behind the second offensive line.

37:22I just would have started him and sat Brissett last Thursday night.

37:26And then we got into yesterday and here's my thing is it's like almost like the chicken

37:33or the egg is Drake may not ready because Drake may is not ready or is Drake may not

37:38ready because you are putting obstacles in front of his development because of how you're

37:43handling him and what you're doing.

37:46And I just have to go back and yesterday I got to the point of just utter frustration

37:50because if he's not good enough to be behind the top offensive line, then he should not

37:55go to that.

37:56He shouldn't have gotten that series against Carolina to begin with.

38:00And then say people would say, well, then you don't play him.

38:03Well, you got to play him at some point.

38:06You got to try to develop the young man at some point.

38:08So if he's good enough to play against Carolina with that top offensive line, I don't know

38:12how he's not good enough to get at least one series with the top line yesterday.

38:16I'm not, I'm not saying for him to split reps with Brissett.

38:19I think it's clear that Brissett is QB one right now.

38:23But I also think, what are you getting out of Drake may?

38:26Like when you watch yesterday play out, literally his last 12 snaps of that practice were useless.

38:33The young man is not getting anything out of that.

38:36And it's like, okay, so he might be a little bit behind in some cases, but how are you

38:42improving him?

38:43How is he progressing when he's stuck in the situation that we saw yesterday?

38:49When it's just, you might as well just sit him down.

38:51I'd rather have Bailey Zappi out there running around like a chicken with his head cut off

38:55than putting may back there for 12 snaps of just useless football.

38:58So I don't really understand the plan.

39:00I don't, and this might change tomorrow night.

39:04He might go out there and play a whole quarter behind the top offensive line.

39:07And if that's the case, then I'll say, okay, it makes a little bit more sense, but I just,

39:11I don't know why, how we've gone through so much of camp and to me and you, you just agreed.

39:19We don't really know where the development is of Drake may, and it should not be that

39:23way in the middle of August.

39:25We should have at least some idea as to how this guy is progressing and if he is progressing.

39:31Yeah.

39:32You know, I completely agree.

39:35And you know, this whole Drake may situation, and I don't want to, this could be, this will

39:40probably be a whole nother podcast probably next week.

39:44Cause I think I'm going to, I think I'm going to write this for next week.

39:48Hopefully somebody doesn't steal it before I get to it.

39:52So I've been thinking about like, what would Bill Belichick, what would Josh McDaniels

39:57do with this type of player?

40:00Somebody who is not just, let's just throw the third overall pick out of it.

40:05Let's just talk about like a quarterback who is developmental, who has talent.

40:11And you know, at first I was thinking, I was like, well, what if they drafted Lamar Jackson

40:16that year, what would they have done?

40:18But then, you know, texting with people, I was like, like the example just came to mind.

40:24It's, it's Jimmy Garoppolo.

40:27Jimmy Garoppolo, first of all, was a second round pick, 62nd overall.

40:31We understand what the situation was.

40:34They were grooming him to be the successor to Brady and you know, how, however many years,

40:41you know, he, ideally he would have been the backup in 2014 as a rookie that ended up happening.

40:48Jimmy Garoppolo was a, he came from a similar offense to Drake May.

40:53A lot of shotgun, a lot of spread, never called his own plays, like all that stuff.

40:58And you know, we'll get into this later, but like in terms of how the Patriots developed him,

41:04I mean, he played in the preseason, his rookie year, he played 27 snaps, 30 snaps, 24 and 69 in the Giants.

41:14So it's different.

41:15They had the fourth preseason game.

41:16He started, played the entire game against the Giants.

41:20And, you know, even if the, even if the kids talented and unrefined and you need to,

41:26and this is the stuff that they were doing with Jimmy, his footwork and things like that, you know,

41:32they played him and, you know, what they would do was just basically take what he was good at,

41:40call that stuff and then, you know, slowly expand what they were doing with him.

41:46I don't understand how you can't do that with Drake.

41:50It just pisses me off because so far that the two most crucial moments in this camp season right now is

41:56last Thursday night when he gets a series in the rain and then you take them out and then the joint practice.

42:03And what did you get out of that?

42:07He didn't get anything really out of either of those moments.

42:11And now you're looking at the second preseason game tomorrow night.

42:14We'll see how it goes.

42:14But the third preseason game is also going to be useless.

42:17But you might be looking at this camp and preseason and say to yourself,

42:23Drake may got one series against the starting defense.

42:26How the hell do you know what he is?

42:28He got one series with the starting offensive line and some of the starting weapons.

42:32Like, how do you know what you have?

42:35The virtual reality shit I get like, OK, but at some point you got to put them on the football field and say,

42:42hey, live bullets.

42:43Let's give him a chance with an offensive line that could somewhat block and see if the young man can make some plays.

42:48So it's just very frustrating.

42:50Just quick, by the way, real quick, Nick, did you see the breaking news that JJ McCarthy is out for the season?

42:57Yes, I was just going to mention that meniscus tear.

43:00He's done.

43:01That's that's interesting, kind of robs us a little compare and contrast.

43:05But, you know, now basically both quarterbacks are, which were probably highly.

43:11It was probably between those two guys.

43:13The Patriots could have gone both routes, which is draft Drake May at three or trade down and draft JJ McCarthy.

43:20And now both of them are in essence redshirting for a year.

43:24So I don't know.

43:24It's just interesting.

43:25Just two quick questions I have for you and then we'll move on.

43:28We got to do we got to run through it somewhat quickly because we're going to go long here today.

43:31I'm sure people don't mind.

43:32But the run game, you mentioned it much earlier.

43:36For the most part, it was a disaster.

43:37I thought Romandre Stevenson had a pretty good day yesterday.

43:40Given the circumstances, he popped one run that I thought he might have been able to take to the house.

43:44He had another couple of runs that were good gains.

43:46But other than that, Greg, a lot of run stuffs and a lot of minimal gains for that run game.

43:51And we've heard Alex Van Pelt say and Mayo and players to say running team, they better block it better up front, my friend.

43:59Yeah, and I wonder.

44:04I wonder if they make some choices because of that.

44:07And you're right.

44:07I mean, this offense doesn't really work if you can't run the ball and they haven't been able to run the ball.

44:15I think they've struggled some on their outside zone stuff they have.

44:19It's been interesting the past week or so in practice and even in the game, we've seen a lot more inside zone and also some gap scheme.

44:29And I wonder if they're coming to the realization that that fits what they're working with on the offensive line better, because I do think that stuff's been more effective.

44:40And now how does that how does that trickle down and affect the passing game and what Alex Van Pelt wants to do?

44:48It's Nick, it's a mess.

44:52The last thing I want to get to on the offense before we get the Panthers preseason game and then some expectations for the Eagles tomorrow night.

44:58Wide receiver, this is something else that's starting to become a hair across my tuk tuk.

45:02So. I don't know if you agree, but Jalen Polk to me, from what I've seen, is the second best receiver in camp behind Pop Douglas.

45:13Yeah, I just wonder when are they going to pull the trigger and actually put Polk out there as a consistent part of this starting offense?

45:20We've seen, you know, yesterday or on Monday, I saw Andrew Callahan tweet that it seemed like there was kind of a clear cut hierarchy at wide receiver in that room.

45:30And it was Osborne, Thornton, and I think it was Pop or whatever.

45:36Is it time to start sprinkling in Polk more or just say, hey, look, Taekwon, he did nothing yesterday.

45:42The only time I saw him was a drop hit him right in the hands.

45:47Enough is enough with the BS.

45:49Let's play Jalen Polk a little bit more.

45:51Is it time? It's time for me.

45:52Is it time for you?

45:54Yeah, it's I think they're going to start doing that pretty soon.

45:57I mean, you know, Taekwon Thornton has been a good story for much of camp.

46:02I mean, that he's still on the field at this point is an accomplishment in itself.

46:08You know, I think he's just going to be a designated home run hitter,

46:12you know, and and speaking of that, you know, talking to a coach the other day, they were like,

46:17look, figure out what Drake May did well in college.

46:20If it's, you know, roll right, throw a throw a deep bomb 60 yards down the left sideline.

46:26Well, put Taekwon Thornton out there, let him run and then just tell Drake to throw it.

46:31But anyways, yes, I agree.

46:33I think it when we get going, it's going to be

46:37it's going to be Pop Douglas.

46:39It's going to be Jalen Polk.

46:40It's going to be K.J. Osborne.

46:42And, you know, Baker will.

46:44Javon Baker will get into the mix a little bit.

46:47But yeah, I mean, Taekwon Thornton goes over the middle yesterday

46:50and, you know, it's in traffic, predictably drop like that's not his bag.

46:55He's in, you know, perimeter guy.

46:58Just let him run down the field.

46:59Maybe a slant, maybe an incut type of thing.

47:03But not over the middle.

47:05And Polk's a baller.

47:07Just I think it's coming sooner rather than later.

47:10I hope to hell so.

47:12All right.

47:12Panthers preseason game last Thursday night.

47:14We'll just do kind of a three up, three down, three things you like,

47:17three things you didn't like.

47:18Yeah, things that you liked, Greg

47:21Leighton Robinson talked about it earlier.

47:23He's had a really good couple of weeks.

47:25I want to see more out of him.

47:27I really like the size and physicality he plays with.

47:30So that's good stuff.

47:32Joe Milton was number two.

47:34I think that's pretty obvious.

47:37You know, no, I don't think he's any threat

47:39of anything.

47:40And and, you know, you know, do I think

47:44and I was thinking about this the other day, do I think there's a chance,

47:48you know, we get to the end of the season and maybe Drake

47:50Mays not ready and say Kobe Bursett's hurt and veteran

47:54de Jure is hurt and like, you know, do they do they put Joe Milton out there

48:00running a package before Drake May?

48:02I could see it just to take the bullets, depending on what things are going on.

48:08But, you know, he did a nice job the other night.

48:10And the pass rush from Jeremiah Farms and O'Shaughnessy examiners.

48:17Is that how you you were on me about the what is it?

48:21Oh, Shane Zeman is.

48:23Oh, Shane Zeman is.

48:25I'm going to get this probably in time for him to be released.

48:28But I thought they were really good with the pass rush run defense.

48:33Not so good.

48:35O'Shaughnessy was like all over the place.

48:38Bill would have probably cut him by now.

48:39The amount of times he was like peeking inside and running inside

48:43and giving up the edge.

48:45So, yeah. Yeah.

48:46Zeman is a run defense, not his

48:51not his cup of tea, let's say.

48:52No, he did not show that ability with the Giants.

48:56He was not really asked to do that at ODU.

48:58From what I remember, it was pin your ears back and get after the quarterback.

49:02And he can do that.

49:02He can give you some pass rush.

49:03He had a nice special team stick in that preseason game at a strip sack.

49:08I think he's got a chance to make this roster.

49:11Uche hurts his chance to make the roster, though,

49:13because Uche is a very similar kind of player, right?

49:15Like the sub pass rush type.

49:17Farms, another guy.

49:18I agree with you. Farms showed up

49:21and Jalen Polk.

49:22I just mentioned him, but he had that stick of hands

49:24kind of catching to the sideline where he just he just plucked it out of the air.

49:28He looks like he belongs.

49:29All right. Three things you didn't like.

49:31Uh, Drake May's usage.

49:34I think people have heard me with a listen to me on 98 five after the game.

49:38I pretty much immediately said it.

49:40I've written it.

49:41It makes zero sense what they did with Drake May.

49:45There's plenty of ways to

49:48get him used to game action while minimizing

49:51any injury risk or whatever risk like like I said,

49:56find out what he's good at, find out what he has in his bucket

49:59and run those plays at the minimum and just do that

50:02and just do it over and over again.

50:03It's a preseason game against a team playing four and two shell

50:08and it's a bunch of backups.

50:10Like if you're not going to play him a lot like he could have played

50:13like the second and third quarters against the if you're not going to play him

50:16against that team, like what the hell are you going to do against the Eagles?

50:21Which we will get into in a second.

50:23I also didn't like from a

50:27what the hell is this coaching staff doing department?

50:30Why the Patriots blitz so much in that game?

50:33The Patriots blitz percentage was the highest in the league

50:36in week one of preseason.

50:39I don't understand the point of that.

50:41I don't think you're learning anything about your pass rushers,

50:44and I certainly don't think you're learning anything about your cornerbacks

50:47and safeties who basically had no work to do because Jake Plummer was under assault.

50:52All five of the Patriots sacks came on blitzes

50:56like I can see if you're working with your top unit,

50:59even though you don't want to show much with your blitzes like during the preseason.

51:03But I just don't understand DeMarcus Covington making that choice.

51:06It was like they were bullying a weaker kid.

51:08What I just don't understand the point of that.

51:12And then some of the interior run defense.

51:14I mean, basically, once they get beyond Devon Godchow.

51:19And Sam Roberts does a decent job, he's been around here, he's got long arms

51:24like you get beyond those two guys.

51:28Man, whether it's

51:30farms or Wale, he did have a nice run stuff.

51:33He penetrated a gap, got in the backfield.

51:36But those guys have a really tough time holding up to double teams on the interior.

51:41And that's a big worry of mine with this defense so far.

51:47Everybody pumped the brakes, relax.

51:49I'm not telling you that Gerard Mayo is going to fail as a head coach.

51:52I thought he had a rough first half.

51:55First time as a head coach out there, I thought he had a rough first half.

51:58You mentioned the Drake May usage thing.

52:00I know people say Alex van Peltz, the head coach, the offense, blah, blah, blah.

52:03Ultimately, the head coach.

52:06You got to figure it out with with with your young guy.

52:10Then you had the play with Wilcox, the non catch.

52:13They didn't get to the line of scrimmage quick enough and snap the football

52:17that allowed Carolina to challenge it.

52:19You lose possession because of that.

52:21That's a rookie mistake.

52:23The end of half scenario.

52:24You had two timeouts.

52:25Carolina had a third down at their own 11 yard line.

52:29Why not call a timeout and force Carolina's hand

52:32to play that third down the way your defense is playing?

52:35And maybe that gets you an opportunity to put Drake May out there

52:38at the end of the half for a quick two minute drill

52:41to see if he can actually do better with the live action.

52:43So it was a wasted opportunity at the end of the first half by Mayo.

52:48So I thought he had a rough, rough first half.

52:52Chooks City, so we mentioned him earlier.

52:55Chooks somewhat understandable because of his situation coming off injury.

52:59So took a step back.

53:00And I don't mean to kill this guy, but Mitchell Wilcox Wolf

53:06captain drop a lot.

53:07This dude drops at least every other football thrown to him.

53:10We saw it in camp.

53:11It happened in the game.

53:13He had a holding penalty.

53:15I want to see more like Michael Pettway and Jaheim Bell.

53:17I know what I know what Wilcox is.

53:20He's not very good.

53:21So so can we see some of the other tight ends on this roster

53:25and see if they can do anything?

53:27I don't get the Mitchell Wilcox stuff outside of, oh, he might be able to block.

53:32Great. Does that mean he can block without holding?

53:34Because we didn't see it the other night

53:36before we get to the Eagles game and Greg's expectations.

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54:01All right. Tomorrow night, Eagles preseason game.

54:04Of course, usually you have two joint practices.

54:07They only had one joint practice.

54:09Do you think that means, Greg, that we will see more of the ones tomorrow night

54:13than we would have anticipated

54:14under the usual two joint practice than preseason game?

54:18Hmm. Not necessarily because

54:21there's still just one day of rest between the game and the practice.

54:28But the Patriots have a lot of work to do.

54:29I mean, I. At a minimum, I want to see

54:35I would expect to see Jacoby Percet start the game

54:38and go through a series with the starting offensive line.

54:41And then the most of the starting offensive line stays in,

54:47perhaps with the exception of David Anders and Nick Leverett comes in.

54:50And then Drake May comes in and, you know, runs

54:55probably two series with the starting offensive line

54:58and then get them out of there and let

55:01Zappi and Milton handle the rest.

55:03I would I would really like to see Percet for a series.

55:07And Drake may play the rest of the first half, like figure it out,

55:10like script it however you need.

55:13He needs to play.

55:14And I and I'll be very curious to see what they asked Drake May

55:18to do in the game, because, again, I think this is

55:22this is another way where the coaches are telling you where he is

55:26and we'll get a better idea.

55:29Yeah, give me two or three series at the top offensive line

55:32and Drake may give him Jalen Polk and let's see what it looks like.

55:35Enough is enough with this for cock to plan.

55:38I'm done with it.

55:39I'm moving forward without it.

55:41If I'm if I'm Gerard Mayo and in company,

55:44you got to get the young man out there and you got to get him.

55:48Reasonable time, and I'm concerned if you don't do that tomorrow night again,

55:54preseason game three is going to be pretty much a write off.

55:56So you better get it done tomorrow night.

55:59If you don't, there's going to be some furniture

56:01moving around this house tomorrow night.

56:03You're not going to be good.

56:05He's Greg. I'm Nick.

56:06This went long. Hopefully you enjoyed.

56:08We'll be back after the preseason game at some point.

56:10If Greg Bedard can figure out the schedule, he's a very busy man.

56:14But enjoy the game tomorrow night.

56:16And hopefully things look better than they did yesterday.

Where do Patriots Go After Eagles Joint Practice Debacle? | Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast

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