Are the Bucks a real threat to the Celtics? | Big 3 NBA Podcast
On this episode of the Big 3 NBA Podcast, Vinny Goodwill of Yahoo! Sports fills in for Kwani Lunis.
A. Sherrod Blakely, Gary Washburn, and Vinny Goodwill discuss Derrick White's skirmish at the Colorado-Colorado State game, as well as the Celtics trying to fine-tune the end of their bench. Plus, have a lengthy discussion about the storylines that Vinny and Gary were hot on heading into the season. Gary has the Milwaukee Bucks finishing lower in the East than most. All that, and much more!
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A. Sherrod Blakely, Gary Washburn, and Vinny Goodwill discuss Derrick White's skirmish at the Colorado-Colorado State game, as well as the Celtics trying to fine-tune the end of their bench. Plus, have a lengthy discussion about the storylines that Vinny and Gary were hot on heading into the season. Gary has the Milwaukee Bucks finishing lower in the East than most. All that, and much more!
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00:50There's two things that y'all will never let go of, and that's one of them.
00:55There's a long story. Gary loves that story too. Gary can't even stop grinning.
01:08In a nutshell, at one point, Vinny's wallet left his purse, and we were in a spot, and then...
01:14He said purse. He didn't tell the purse.
01:17As in your person. It was not on your person.
01:22Didn't they teach that at Eastern Michigan? I mean, I'm just saying.
01:25Gary, I thought he meant like purse.
01:27Yeah, I thought he meant that too.
01:29No, I guess they didn't teach it at Cal either. Okay. Anyway, Vinny's wallet turned up missing,
01:35and we're in a spot, and they called out the person whose wallet was Vincent Goodwill Jr.,
01:41and they were mad loud about it.
01:44It was mad loud. It was mad loud.
01:46It was funny though, because most of us didn't realize you were a junior until that moment.
01:53It's his people. It's his people. His brothers, you know, for life,
01:56brothers from another mother, called him out. He right here. He right here. He right here.
02:04So Vinny couldn't even chill, casually walk up and get his wallet like all the people in the spot
02:12knew that's the dude who lost his wallet. There he is right there.
02:17I went through all the stages of grief on that, Gary. They stopped it. They was like,
02:22somebody lost their ID. I'm like, who's the fool that lost his ID?
02:30It was in slow motion. It was like, Vincent. I'm like, man, somebody here with the same name as me.
02:34Ha, that's interesting. And then he says, Goodwill. I'm like, oh, shoot, it's me.
02:40And then he says, Junior. And I'm like, seriously, like both of us ain't going to be in here.
02:46Yeah. My daddy, what's your daddy doing in here?
02:48He knows damn well your daddy wasn't in that spot. That's the messed up part. That dude knew
02:52your father was, he didn't have to say Junior. That dude was far on. That wasn't right. That
02:59wasn't cool. That wasn't right. We just added to the greatest hits, dog. We got a lot of greatest
03:04hits. We got lots of greatest hits on Vince and Goodwill, but I want to talk about another,
03:08could have been not so great hit. And I'm talking about Derrick White, Boston Celtics,
03:15Olympian, NBA champion, had a little bit of a kerfuffle at the Colorado-Colorado State game.
03:22Like any rivalry, got a little heated. Apparently, Derrick White, who as you all know, is an alum
03:28of Colorado, and the Buffs won again over Colorado State. And I guess a Colorado State fan
03:35has some issues with that. And they got into a little bit of a tussle of sorts.
03:39Apparently, Derrick got hit in the back of the head, but there wasn't, at least before as we
03:44came to broadcast this, there were no charges being filed, no incident report or anything like
03:48that was written up. But still, the idea that one of your best players, you know, got into a little
03:56scuffle, nobody hurt, nobody damaged or anything like that. But what are your thoughts on that type
04:01of stuff? Because we hear stuff like this happens all the time, but what are your thoughts in
04:04general on that, particularly with Derrick White, who, Derrick don't cause trouble to nobody. He
04:08might be the most popular player in the Boston Celtics' life. Well, maybe, I don't know,
04:14depends on popular amongst who, given the Olympics and some of these other, you know,
04:21who made it, who didn't make it, who played, who didn't. I'm just saying. Now, I mean,
04:26you can't just be a fan at a game. You gotta have somebody knocking you upside the head. Like,
04:32what happened to Sevilla? Like, there used to be this thing, like, you go to a college football
04:37game, and there's like a celebrity in the stands, there's a ball player in the stands or something
04:40like that. You might go back and forth with them just on, like, as a thrill, just to talk some
04:46trash or something like that. Now, because of Twitter and Instagram, all these people get all
04:51this liquid courage, all this bravery, that think they could just step to anybody and do anything.
04:56Y'all know me. Y'all know I don't exactly kick it like that.
05:02I'm just glad that it was Derek White and not Vincent Goodwill Jr.
05:07Y'all have never seen me in a fight, right? Y'all have never seen me in a fight. Y'all have never
05:13seen me, you know, engage in fisticuffs, but I'm not the dude to steal on. That's all we're
05:19gonna say. I ain't the dude to steal on. And good on Derek White and his people for not
05:23retaliating, because that could have got a lot worse, and then he would have been the person
05:28that everybody would have been looking at. Oh, you didn't have to do that. You could have
05:31retaliated or whatever it was. He didn't retaliate, and that goes against a lot of
05:35people's instincts, and I'm kind of glad he didn't, because it could have been a lot worse.
05:38Yeah, and that happened out on the West Coast. Gary, your hood, West Side. Vinny is Midwest,
05:46I'm Northeast, you West Side. Don't act like, oh, now, Vinny, now, West Side, what's that?
05:54If you want to call Fort Collins, Colorado the West Side, I don't know if Cube and Mac10 and
06:03WC would sign off on that, but okay, we can. I think it's interesting, like, first of all,
06:11it was a road game, so he was in a hostile environment. It sounded like a guy kind of,
06:17I watched the video a few times, and the guy kind of backhanded Derek, and he knocked his hat off
06:23or whatever. It looked like Derek was trying to kind of figure out what was going on and get
06:27involved, and somebody intelligently just said, hey, Derek, like, just back up. Like, you know,
06:34you don't need NBA star, NBA champion involved in a fight, and now, you know, as the NFL season
06:40started, football season, you see the steady streams of in-game fighting, like, you know,
06:47especially at the Raider games, and you just see the, all on your Twitter, X, TikTok, whatever
06:55feeds, oh, boy, here's the fights at football games, and I just think football games have just
07:02gotten to where you just got to be cool. Like, you have to watch out for anything, especially
07:08being a celebrity like Derek White, and you're in hostile territory. You're at Colorado State.
07:13You're not, it's not a home game. You have to be careful because somebody, like Sherrod said,
07:19could be trying to come at you. There's drunk people, people talking mess. I mean, I went to
07:24a Patriots game last year with my wife, and at that same game, somebody got knocked unconscious
07:31and died from a fight with a Dolphins fan. I mean, you know, I was at the game. I didn't see
07:37the guy walked up, you know, what you're talking about, and the guy hit him, and his head hit the
07:42pavement, and that was it. He died, like, at the game that I attended, and so you got to be careful
07:48with these events like that. You know, if you're not sitting amongst your, you know, Colorado fans
07:54or the fans of the team you're rooting for, which is all good, and you're mixing it up like that,
07:59like you said, Sherrod, it's a night game. It was a Saturday night game. Alcohol is flowing. People
08:05have been tailgating all day, and they get the liquid courage. Eric's got to be a little bit
08:10more careful than that. It might be time to live that sweet life, that, you know, that luxury box
08:17life where I'm sure the university president has no problem putting them up in a place where
08:23him and his family can go and just chill and be safe where the AD is and the basketball coach is
08:28and all the other kind of dignitaries of Colorado because just being amongst the people,
08:35Derek ain't about that life no more, and he got to be careful because you just,
08:39like you said, somebody's trying to make a video. Somebody's trying to go viral,
08:44and if you're Derek, and he hasn't, doesn't have that type of disposition.
08:47We all know, you know, maybe Derek had had a couple of cold ones himself. We don't know his
08:53state of mind, but he's got to be careful of that, and he needs people around him, and luckily,
08:58whoever it was, the people just kind of veered back up, back up. You know, I think he's trying
09:02to get his hat back because his hat got knocked off. Hey, let the hat go, man. We'll get you
09:07another Colorado hat. No worries. Let's just, you know, just be cool, man, because obviously,
09:14somebody was recording it. Somebody had it on tape, like it was, you know, and Derek was all
09:20up in the video. Just a nod to our friend Suge Knight. He was, Derek was all up in the video.
09:28Hey, are we allowed to say that? Because both of them dudes is in jail.
09:31Yeah, well, you know, I ain't saying no other guy just got arrested. I ain't going to mention
09:37him, but I'm talking about his rival that he said, you know, he said that 30 years ago,
09:43all up in the video. You don't want to be all up in the video anymore. That's not a good thing.
09:48Damn, Vinny. It just dawned on me, Vinny. What if they get in the same cell block?
09:54No, he's going to go in the club. No, no. Did he go in the club fed?
10:00Maybe not club fed, but he's doing fed time.
10:04He might get fed to the jail club, because that's another story for another day. Back to Derek White,
10:12because, see, I'm reading Gary's mind. This is like Gary Rowe. Gary's like, stay away from that,
10:17stay away from that. You said something, Gary, that I thought was interesting,
10:23when you're talking about Derek White being amongst the people, that's who he is. And the
10:28idea that Derek White would be up in a sweet box at a football game? He's not a regular guy anymore.
10:33He's a Colorado alum, and he goes to football games. You're at a road game. One, you're not
10:43at home. It was at Colorado State. So he took the drive from Boulder to Fort Collins. So there's
10:50going to be people there saying expletive to him, because they're Colorado State fans,
10:55and here comes one of Colorado's finest. And then some guy just took a swipe at him. I mean,
11:03people don't care. And then someone, quite honestly, the camera phone was ready to go,
11:08because they got the first punch. And then somehow, oh my God, just like the Jordan Poole video,
11:14TMZ got their hands on it. Well, I wonder how that happened. People ain't playing no more.
11:22They put you on video, they gonna call TMZ, okay, 50,000, okay, here's my Venmo,
11:27and here's the video. Because we still don't know, Vinny, who sent that video of Draymond
11:36going Mike Tyson and Jordan Poole. Oh, they know. Oh, they know. We don't know.
11:41We don't know how that got to TMZ. I hope whoever shot it got a nice grip for that,
11:48because that's facts. That's one of the videos that over time, the value...
11:55I believe there's an audience of people who paid to find out who that was. I bet you it's to the
11:59point where you don't even need to see the video no more. You've seen it. Someone would literally
12:03pay for that, for that knowledge. Facts. Facts. They know who did that. That team know who did
12:11that. That ain't no secret. They just didn't tell us. Nah. Nah. Nah. But look, bottom line is kids
12:18out there, no fighting at the football games unless you're playing. And even if you're playing,
12:22fight within the rules. Fight for your position. Fight for your line of scrimmage. But don't fight
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13:59to the Celtics. The Celtics, you got some cats who are trying to fight for a spot in the NBA.
14:03The Celtics are filling out the back end of that training camp roster. Reportedly,
14:07they work out Nasir Little. And for those who don't remember him, because if we keep it in a
14:12buck, he's easy to forget. He was taken in the 2019 draft. He was like the 25th overall pick,
14:20which for folks who, you know, talking to the president of the Grant Williams fan club,
14:26Gary Washburn, he went three spots after Grant Williams did that year, just in case,
14:30just if you keep a score at home. Now, Gary, I'm gonna start with you. What do you think the
14:34chances of Nasir Little actually making it through training camp and having some role with the
14:39Celtics, whether it's obviously with the main team, which I doubt, but what about that G League
14:43squad? Well, I know he worked out for other teams too. He'd have to choose the Celtics.
14:51You know, he's a guy, you know, I mean, it's funny, like if you look at those COVID drafts,
14:57the 21 draft and the 20 draft, there's a lot of misses, man. Like you could just tell that there's
15:04a lot of work guys that didn't get a chance to work out for teams. If you check the NBA and WNBA
15:10drafts from those two years, there's just a lot of swings and misses. So Nasir Little is a kid
15:15who probably left school too early. You know, he should have been, stayed his ass in North Carolina
15:20a couple of more years, got that season in, played under Huber Davis a couple of more years,
15:27and then probably been a higher pick. He had kind of established himself with Phoenix and
15:34signed a nice little contract, but he was part of that DeAndre Ayton deal. And the Suns,
15:39for whatever reason, just cut bait on him, even with, I think three years, I think he had three
15:45years, $7 million, something like that. Like he signed a little kind of an extension that was a
15:49minor, you know, a little bit above the minimum. So he got money because he had, you know, the
15:54contract, he had like two, three years left in his deal, but he's just got to find a niche.
15:59And I just think probably the best place for him is might be a team that he can get some
16:03significant minutes on. I don't think him playing for Maine is going to do anything good for him in
16:12terms of besides getting a 10 day. I think he needs to go to a team that needs, unless he's
16:16just like, hey, the Celtics may be offering, but that 15th roster spot is likely going to
16:23Lonnie Walker, you know, unless they do something with like James Springer or something like that,
16:28unless they make a move that's unexpected.
16:30Would they even keep 15? Like when you look at the money that the Celtics, you know,
16:35that the Celtics have spent and they have committed and you hear about the ownership
16:39and everything else, you see teams, a lot of times keep that 15 spot open just because they
16:44don't see it necessarily being worth anything. Or you, you keep a two-way guy in there where
16:49you can keep his days down and you don't have to pay him a guaranteed amount of money. Like it's,
16:53it seems crazy when you're paying Jalen Brown, you know, $50 million, Jason Taylor, $50 million
16:59or whatever, but teams will pinch pennies if they can. And they will try to make that
17:03budget as a wee bit tighter. So if they feel like, hey, we don't have any health problems,
17:09you know, you know what I mean? Like Porzingis is going to be a guy that you got to worry about.
17:12Of course, Horford is a guy with his advanced age. You want the profile of a guy that you want is
17:17probably, I suspect to be somebody bigger, somebody who played more 4-5 than 3-4,
17:22you know, a guy like Lonnie Walker, but every team is going to bring in a guy like that,
17:27you know, a higher first round pick, or even a later first round pick just to kick the tires
17:31and see if there's anything there. I'm surprised that Phoenix didn't keep him, but I think it was
17:34a numbers crunching thing for Phoenix too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the Celtics, they added another
17:41Exhibit 10 guy, a big guy, Dimitri Skapincev. I just butchered his name, but I'm not too worried
17:48about it because he's going to be up in Maine and I ain't going to see him. So they added him to an
17:52Exhibit 10 contract. He's probably going to be up in Maine the entire season for the most part,
17:57but they'll get a chance to see what he can do in training camp. Don't have any realistic
18:02expectations that he's going to do anything. He played for the Knicks and got in like two games.
18:06And that tells you a lot because the Knicks had some serious issues at the center position.
18:11And he still wasn't someone that figured in any way, shape, and form into their future.
18:16And so the fact that he was available, I think says a lot about his chances of playing,
18:21but you're right, Vinny. I mean, I think the Celtics, as much as I think they like Lonnie
18:25Walker, I think ultimately they're going to keep him like close, but not occupying that 15th spot
18:32just because you're not going to get much bang for your buck in that regard. He's talented. Don't
18:36get me wrong, but your biggest need is in the middle. You're going to go into the season leaning
18:41heavy on Al Horter, leaning heavy on, you know, bigs that frankly aren't all that. I mean, Tillman
18:50I like. I think Tillman could be pretty good, but Tillman's got some health issues too. And Luke
18:55Cornett is Luke Cornett. I mean, he's your third center. As our boy Bobby Manning likes to point
19:01out, he's your third center. So what do you expect? And that's kind of my point. He's never
19:05going to be much more than your third best center. And so I suspect that the Celtics are going to
19:12keep that 15th spot open for the most part and hope that a really good big just happens to fall
19:17out of favor with someone and they can just scoop them up pennies on the dollar and just give them
19:22a little more depth at the big position. Because I still think the Celtics, they're going to need to
19:27add another impact player, someone who can at least stem the tide a little bit in that front
19:32court. Because I feel a little uncomfortable with their center position. I don't know how you feel
19:38about that, Gary. I mean, how do you feel about them in just that particular position? Because
19:42it seems to be their biggest weakness, an area where they might get exposed.
19:46Yeah, I think it's going to have to go center by committee with Al probably starting and then Luke
19:53and then Xavier, then our friend Nemeus Cata is still, he signed an extension, so he's back.
19:59So that's four bigs. That's four centers on your team. I don't know if you're going to need five
20:04out of a 15 mile roster. That's why I think Lonnie Walker's safe. I don't think, yeah,
20:08I think it's Dimitri kid is probably headed to Maine and just, he's going to work out with the
20:13team and obviously get a shot to play in the G lead. But I think they're pretty set on their
20:18roster at this point. Now they might keep some flexibility open just in case, let's say somebody
20:23surprisingly gets cut. Look at rosters like Oklahoma City. There's a couple of teams that
20:30got like 17 guys in there and they're going to have to make some serious, some difficult cuts.
20:34Now, so the Celtics, I think we'll wait and tell that like, you know, mid-October, October 20th or
20:40whatever, when teams or rosters are set for the opening night on the 22nd to set their roster,
20:48figure out who we can, you know, they can pick up, you know, maybe bring on to a non-guaranteed
20:56deal or even a G league offer or whatever. You never know. They might make a move with
21:02one of the two-way guys. You got the two-way guys with Anton Watson, Drew Peterson, and
21:09what's the kid from Alabama? You talk about J.D. Davidson. Those are your three two-ways.
21:19They could sacrifice one of those guys and get one of these guys that they like on a two-way deal
21:25if that goes down. So, you know, Grassley was going to keep his roster flexibility,
21:30but I think they couldn't pass up Lonnie Walker. And I just think they desperately need a guy like
21:35that who can get them buckets off the bench when Tatum and Brown are off.
21:40Did you just say desperately need it?
21:43For their bench? Yes.
21:44You did.
21:45Wait, this team won 64 games last year.
21:49Yes.
21:49They romped through the Eastern Conference playoffs.
21:52They walked through the NBA Finals. And we're using the word desperate.
21:57For their bench? Yes. I think they're-
21:59Context, please, gentlemen. That's all I'm saying. Context.
22:03Yeah. You don't want Jason and Jalen to be playing high minutes and Porzingis' offense is gone
22:12for the first three months. So, you need a guy to come off the bench. I mean, is that Peyton
22:16Pritchard? Sam Houser? But Lonnie is an athlete, 25 years old, who can get buckets. I mean,
22:24we saw him in Brooklyn the last couple years. And I said, he didn't play a whole lot of
22:28meaningful games because he's playing with the Nets, but the dude can score. And I think that
22:32that's exactly what this team has needed now for a while. They haven't had like instant offense
22:38off the bench. Because you want to be able to give those guys, Jason and Jalen, a break and
22:43still be able to competitively score. So, to me, I think there's a necessary need for Lonnie Walker.
22:51Well, whose minutes is he going to take? Houser's? Pritchard's? Because somebody's
22:55going to be watching while he's balling. It's still 5-on-5.
23:00Yeah, but I think it's a backup two. He'll be the two, right? So, if you play Houser at the three
23:07and you play Peyton Pritchard at the one, I think there's a slot there for him.
23:13Now, you know, I mean, you know, was it Reset? He didn't play much, but he did have a role early in
23:22the season. So, you can kind of slide him into those minutes. You know, they'll figure it out.
23:27They'll figure it out. Joe will play nine or ten guys. I don't have, I think that they'll be fine,
23:34but I think that they definitely need a dude to get buckets off the bench.
23:39Yeah, I mean, it definitely would help. There's no doubt about that. I just wonder, and we've
23:45talked about this before, Joe loves all his players, but he don't trust them equally.
23:51And I just wonder how that's going to play out because I could easily see a scenario where
23:55Lonnie Walker plays like two or three games and gets you like 11 points, four rebounds,
23:59three assists, shoot 55% from the field and 45% from the three-point line and then goes five
24:05DNP CDs. And you're just like, wait, what just happened? I'm not sure that Joe is going to,
24:12if Lonnie's going to get enough opportunities to gain his trust. I don't have any questions
24:18about Lonnie being able to impact the game when he does play. I just don't know if it's going to
24:22be sustainable. I think he's going to be just kind of a guy that they throw in here and there
24:27without committing to him.
24:28Let's look at the guards on the roster that they have. Okay, here are the guards that they have.
24:36Okay, so they're starting five will be Jason, Jalen, Drew, Derek, and Al, right?
24:42Yeah.
24:43Okay. Now there's Ron Harper, who's going to be there in a training camp. He's not making a team.
24:50Shady Davidson, Baylor Shireman, who's a rookie.
24:55Pritchard, Jordan Walsh, who's a three, kind of a two-three, but he's not really a scorer.
25:02And that's it. Those are your guards in turn. So who's a backup shooting guard?
25:09Probably Jordan Walsh. He's really more of a three than a two.
25:12So who do you trust? Do you trust Jordan Walsh, who's 19, still 19,
25:18just turned 20, or Lonnie Walker? To me, there's a definitive role for Walker as the backup two
25:25if he's right, if he's healthy, if he does everything he's supposed to do in camp.
25:30Because unless you really trust Baylor Shireman, we don't know yet. Like I said,
25:36like Drew Peterson, who's on a two-way. I mean, Davidson's a point guard. Shady Davidson's a
25:43point guard. So that backup two position could be, you know, or Jaden Springer, who's kind of
25:50your backup two. But Jaden's more of a defender. He's not a scorer. Now, he scored well in Summer
25:55League. He looked comfortable, you know, putting the ball in the hoop in Summer League, but we'll
26:00see what happens when camp starts. No, Springer, he's more of that Avery Bradley kind of backup
26:07two. I mean, he can get you some buckets every now and then, but he's in the league because he
26:11can defend. That is why he's in the league. No question about it. I wanted us to talk a little
26:17bit about the Celtics ownership situation. Obviously, everyone in a moment knows that
26:21the Celtics are available to be bought. And one of the leading names that has been talked about
26:27to become a majority owner of the Boston Celtics is Steve Pagliuca, who currently is a minority
26:33owner. But apparently, Steve, who already is involved in other professional teams besides
26:38the Celtics, as far as from an ownership standpoint, is apparently, or reportedly,
26:42I should say, in talks to buy the Parisian soccer team Red Star FC. Now, it is not clear
26:49how much of that team that he might be looking to buy. But obviously, the idea that he might
26:54be buying another pro team that doesn't necessarily call itself the Boston Celtics,
26:59it makes people wonder if maybe he's out of the race to be a majority owner of the Celtics. And
27:07what do you think about just the prospect of him having these conversations with another
27:14sport, another team in another country? Do you anticipate that might impact his interest in
27:20the Celtics? I'm going to start with you, Gary, because I'm going to start with you.
27:26Man, I don't know. I mean, honestly.
27:28All right, I'm done with you. I'm going to go with Dick.
27:34Pag wants to own the Celtics. I think he's putting together a group to make a competitive
27:39bid for the Celtics. So I don't know how much buying a soccer team is going to affect
27:44them unless he knows he's out of it already.
27:47And see, that's right. That's why I'm saying-
27:50We're not selling to you, my man. Get to stepping. And he's decided to
27:56purchase another professional sports team. But this ownership is not going to go fast.
28:02This is not going to happen fast. One, the NBA is very interested in this sale.
28:09Because one, they want to know how much it's going to cost. And they want to know how much,
28:15depending on how much the Celtics cost, how much they're going to charge
28:18the buyers of maybe Seattle and Las Vegas for the team so they can distribute the wealth to
28:24the other 30 owners. So the NBA is sitting there like this. Now, Silver's not going to get involved,
28:31but Silver might have a say in the ownership group or might just have some suggestions
28:37in terms of a price, because the owners want to get paid. Especially with this apron,
28:45everybody's up for a $50 million deal now. The owners want to make a killing off the expansion
28:52fee, because there's going to be two more teams. It's going to be Seattle and Las Vegas unless
28:58something really wrong happens, especially with Seattle. I think Seattle's a lot.
29:03So the owners are very observant in the commissioner of what happens in Boston,
29:10because this is a benchmark franchise. So it'll be very fascinating. Is there somebody who will
29:15come out of the blue and just say, here's $6 billion, just give me the different teams?
29:19Or is it going to be a group headed by a famous professional athlete or some famous name like
29:25Minnesota trying to do with A-Rod? This will be fascinating.
29:30But that's the thing I was going to say, Gary. The league does not want something similar that
29:35happened with the Timberwolves. The Timberwolves went initially for lower than what they're worth
29:41now. And now you've got Glenn Taylor saying, hey, I want to get back into business here.
29:46Y'all don't have the cash. Y'all don't have the liquid for this.
29:49It looks like they had a layaway plan for the Timberwolves.
29:53Yeah.
29:53You can't lay away plans for no damn NBA team.
29:57Look, I grew up on layaway. I'm off of that life now, but I'm just saying,
30:03you could lay away.
30:05For you, me, and Gary, that's one thing. For a damn NBA team, hell no.
30:09Show me the money. I need it right now. Put them bricks right in front of me right now.
30:14I ain't trying to lay away.
30:16But I think, A, nobody has lived like that up front anyway. Everybody's going to be on some sort of
30:23mortgage plan, so to speak. What the NBA doesn't want, and Gary has alluded to it,
30:29the higher—remember, the first team that went for an exponential number,
30:33I want to say was the Clippers when Steve Ballmer bought them.
30:37And they were supposed to go for something like 1.2, 1.3, and Ballmer paid $2 billion for them.
30:42So that basically, rising ships lift all tides, and every team subsequently, because of that—I
30:48think Houston went for a huge number after that. I think some other teams went for larger numbers
30:54after that.
30:54Milwaukee went for three or something like that.
30:57Yeah.
30:57Milwaukee went for three. So I think they're—and here's the other thing for the Celtics.
31:01How much does a team go for when you don't own your own building?
31:05That's a problem.
31:07And the building is old. The problem with Boston is, ain't no place for you to build another
31:11building, even if you want to get another building. They're probably not going anywhere,
31:15but I wonder how the building itself, the TD Garden or whatever the hell they call it,
31:19because they change the name every 90 days. You know what I mean? What this building
31:24means as far as that goes, and then subsequently, like you said,
31:28the NBA owners want their cut. They want their cash from whomever these new people are going to
31:33be. Don't forget, y'all, the NBA has changed their rules to allow some of those other entities
31:41to start buying into the NBA. The Saudis, you want their money to come into it. All money is green,
31:48to some degree, what the NBA is saying. So yeah, it's going to be very fascinating to
31:52see what this number is and who does it. Yeah, because I mean, the issue that the NBA,
31:58go ahead, Gary, you about to say something? No, go ahead.
32:00No, I was just going to say that the thing about the NBA, and you touched on this a minute ago,
32:05Vinny, about just them basically wanting to get paid, and hopefully they have learned from the
32:12mistakes that have gone through with Minnesota, because Minnesota was like the perfect storm
32:17for drama, a team that probably could have sold for a little bit more than they sold for,
32:23that the group that bought them basically bought them on layaway, and then acted like they owned
32:28it. This ain't Rent-A-Center where you can just put a little money down and you own it. No,
32:33that's not how this works. And then, you know, Glenn Taylor realized, maybe I shouldn't,
32:38he realized after the fact that he probably shouldn't have put them in play when he did.
32:43And now he's trying to, you know, play like old school Deion Sanders and go back in coverage
32:47and cover everything. Can't do that. You can't do that. The NBA is trying to make sure that
32:53the Celtics get it right. They're trying to make sure because if the Celtics get it right,
32:56everybody getting it right. They get paid, we all get paid. And you're right. I mean,
33:01I think Silver is going to be much more involved and engaged in this sale than he was in any
33:07previously, because this is one of your foundational franchises. This isn't just
33:12like a pretty good squad. This is like one of your originals, your OGs. And so it'll be
33:18interesting to see how that all plays out. I'm also interested to hear what Mr. Goodwill Jr.
33:26is thinking about heading into this NBA season. What are some of the storylines that you had on
33:31for Yahoo Sports? I mean, look, I think the Celtics are delightfully boring, right? I think
33:38the most interesting thing about their team is Jason Tatum didn't get to play during the Olympics,
33:45so he's going to give Steve Kerr 50 balls. And Jalen Brown, he was too black for the Olympics,
33:49so they didn't take him. All right, cool. Yeah, that's fine. Whatever, right?
33:54What? I don't know who the hell that was, but I know him.
34:00Me and him have been drinking before. I know that dude.
34:03I'm just saying. So no, I think the Celtics as champions are always generally interesting.
34:12But what's going on in Philadelphia, where you add Paul George to Joel Embiid and that band of
34:18merry underachievers, you know what I mean? Let's be perfectly honest, the 76ers have not gone to
34:24the conference finals since my junior year of high school, which was a very long time ago.
34:29Like they don't just have to get to the finals. They got to at least get to the conference finals.
34:33Like we haven't seen the Toronto Raptors get to the conference finals before and the 76ers haven't
34:38over the past two and a half decades. So I think they pushed all their chips to the center of the
34:42table. I think they're a fascinating team when you look at them versus the context of like the
34:49Celtics, when you look at Embiid's size and you look at Paul George against Brown and Tatum and
34:53how that matches up. And of course, you know, Tyrese Maxey, once again, taking more steps,
34:59you know, towards stardom. Like that's something interesting to me. John Morant going back to
35:03Memphis, like if there's something that we've learned over the past week is that if you don't
35:11tell us you're doing stuff on Instagram Live, we won't know what you're doing on Instagram Live.
35:17John Morant has figured out how to keep us off of his business because he did not go on Instagram
35:23Live with the audio, right? Or the video. You know what I'm saying? So I'm very fascinated by
35:29what John Morant and the Memphis Grizzlies are going to do in a stacked Western Conference.
35:34Like when he's healthy, when they're right, they got Marcus Smart over there who was supposed to
35:37come over there and be their vet and it didn't work out. But you still got the bones of a really
35:42good roster that can win 50 games and really be a contender in a Western Conference that
35:48I wouldn't say is top heavy, right? I think it's mid heavy. It's a bunch of teams in the
35:52West that can win somewhere between 47 and 52 games and be scary in the playoffs, but not
35:59necessarily a team that's teams that you would really fear. So those are like the two of the
36:03biggest things for me, you know, of course, you know, with the Knicks and then Jimmy Butler in
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37:36Gary, what about you, Gary? I mean, outside, I mean, obviously you spend a lot of time on
37:39the Celtics, but outside of the Celtics, what do you, what do you hide on heading to the season?
37:43Cause it's going to be here in a minute. Yeah. I mean, to me, the Western conference is looking
37:48at the West. I mean, it is a, it's treacherous because you've got, okay. Everybody's picking
37:56Oakland. Okay. Okay. Sees the vote pick to get to the finals. They got Alex Caruso.
38:01They got Isaiah Hardenstein. They got rid of Josh Giddey. This is the year they make the run.
38:06Jalen Williams going to take a step forward. Shane Gillis out there and taking that step
38:10forward. They're a good young team. They re-upped a lot of the young guys,
38:14but then what about Dallas? Dallas now with Clay, Najee Marshall and Quentin Grimes add
38:20to the roster. They get, they got kind of, they got rid of Tim Hardaway, Jr.
38:24Derrick Jones, Jr. But what about Dallas? What about Minnesota? Does Minnesota learn its lesson
38:29from that Dallas series? Is Rudy Gobert ready to make another impact and potentially a fifth
38:34defensive player of the year? Rudy Gobert, I mean, hey, he can go for five. He might,
38:42Vinny, he might be paying the five. So he might be paying the five. So if you're,
38:49what about Minnesota? And then what about, you know, OKC? OKC, Minnesota, Denver is in there.
38:58And then, you know, New Orleans with DeJounte Murray. Memphis is Memphis. Now that they're
39:05healthy, look, hopefully, I mean, I know G.G. Jackson's already out for a few months now,
39:11the young, good young prospect, but like Vinny said, Marcus Smart, John Morant,
39:16Brandon Clark is back after missing a year. You know, Jaron Jackson, Jr., are they going to make
39:21a run? There's just a lot of just things. Phoenix, what are we going to do? What do we,
39:27what do we think of Phoenix? Like, is Phoenix going to, you know, with their big three,
39:31there's a bunch. And then we talked about the Lakers and the Warriors. Are they going to take
39:36a significant step back? Is the Olympic thing going to help LeBron and A.D.? But it's basically
39:42the same ass roster. Like D'Angelo Russell opted in and them fools was like, oh, what?
39:47What? You sure about this son? Son, are you sure about this? You know, that fool opted in
39:56and so he's back, like, but it's basically the same roster as last year. Golden State,
40:01like, they lost Klay, but they got Buddy Heald, they got Kyle Anderson, they got D'Anthony Melton.
40:07Like, are, you know, is Jonathan Kamil going to make a step? Like, there is no, besides Portland,
40:13like, you could probably say even, like, there is no team, and maybe Utah, there is no team in the
40:19West, you're just like, oh, they're terrible. Like, they're not, like, San Antonio is going
40:24to take a step forward with Chris Paul and them young guys and obviously Wimby, you know, even,
40:30I mean. Everybody can't take steps forward, though. Yeah. It's going to be some teams that
40:33take steps back. But somebody is going to be a damn good 28-win team, like, because they go,
40:40they go take it on the chin a lot of nights, even though they're better than they were last year.
40:44But the West, to me. Gee, that's, that sounds like my sister talking to some of her home girls.
40:48Man, he a 5, but he a good 5. No, he a good 5. He a good 5. High-quality 5. That dude is ugly.
40:56There's going to be teams that are just going to take it on the chin,
41:01that, in the West, because the West is treacherous. I just looked at the West,
41:04and they're just like, you look at the Clippers, like, we don't,
41:07who knows? The Clippers lost Paul George, but they got Derrick Jones Jr., they got
41:12Nicholas Batum back, and who else? Personality. Yeah, I mean, apparently healthy Kawhi and James,
41:22and James, Desmond Tutu Harden, who did some, who did, who did Philadelphia such a favor by
41:29saving them money to sign guys. Now, he, he signed a two-year, $70 million deal. James is
41:39still taking y'all money, but somehow, someone put, paid him a, a sacrifice, a warrior, someone
41:47paid him, a team guy, for giving up a little bit of money so they could go after a couple, guys a
41:54couple years ago. How did that work out? How did that work out? James, James left, James got
42:02dock-fired, and then left on his own. Demand a deal. Trace, Trace, how'd that work out? But you
42:09got the Clippers. We, Tyloo's always been a high-level coach, so there's just a lot of
42:15happenings in the West. That said, we don't know about the Lakers, we don't know, is this the
42:20Warriors' last run? Are they gonna, are they a 40-win team? Are they a 48-win team? Are they a
42:2535-win team? It's just, the West, to me, is fascinating, because there's no, unless you
42:31count Oklahoma City, there is no great team, but there's a bunch of really good teams, and then,
42:37New Orleans and Memphis, you know, we ain't talking about Houston. Houston, I mean, you know,
42:43Oh, your boy, Emay? He wants to talk about Emay?
42:46Emay got his weaknesses, but Emay a damn good coach, and them dudes got
42:51He said he got his weaknesses, but Houston ain't gonna,
42:54being in Houston ain't a bad thing for Emay's weaknesses, huh?
43:00Let's move on. So, let's move forward. Let's progress.
43:04So, you were saying, Gary?
43:10Run to offense. No, get into the offense, Vinny.
43:13Omaha! Omaha!
43:16Don't look at me.
43:18We just run the triangle? We just run the triangle? That's all?
43:20Yeah, let's go. The shot clock's running out. So, like, we haven't even said, we haven't talked
43:27about, we haven't talked about Houston. There's, the West is fascinating. The East, I think,
43:33and to me, another story is Milwaukee. Like, I had, I picked them seventh in the East,
43:39and people were like, you crazy, you crazy. Like, you tell me, to me, okay, we talk about this.
43:45Like, you go, you got the Celtics, the Bucs, sorry, the Celtics, the Sixers, and the Knicks,
43:50okay? The Pacers, right? They gonna be in the top six, right? You think?
43:57Yeah.
43:57Okay?
43:58I'll buy that.
43:59Orlando, Cleveland, and Miami.
44:02Cleveland, I'm skeptical of. Orlando, I think. Cleveland, I'm not sold on them.
44:07Okay, so, when Milwaukee's top offseason acquisitions are Torian Prince and Gary Trent
44:14Jr. from a team that didn't do anything last year, they gonna go up? Like, they're a seventh seed,
44:20and they're old. So, to me, to me, Milwaukee's fascinating because Giannis is in his prime,
44:26but ain't nobody else. It's, you know, it's like, it's like Prime, Ralph, and the rest of
44:32New Edition is kind of a step slow. Like, Ralph is doing everything, and Bobby, Rocky, and Mike
44:39are like, oh, damn. Damn, we, you know, that was from the inning heartbreak hour. We ain't got them
44:46moves anymore. Like, to me, that's the thing. Milwaukee's fascinating. Then you got Doc,
44:52who's basically coaching for his coaching life because if they slip,
44:56Doc's gonna take the blame for that because he took the job, and so Milwaukee, to me,
45:01is another fascinating team. I said, I picked them seven people. Oh, he was crazy, but you tell me
45:07how they got better in the offseason. Like, who they-
45:09Are you saying that Giannis, as a top five player,
45:13relative health? Like, you're basically, what you're saying is either A, Giannis is no longer
45:20a top five player, or B, he's no longer capable of playing more than 65 games in the season.
45:26You're saying one of those two things.
45:28I say he's a top five player, but I'd say he doesn't have a lot of health. Brooke Lopez is 37,
45:33Chris Middleton is 32, 33, and often injured, and they didn't, they added Gary Trent,
45:41and they added Torian Prince. Those were two, they lost Beverly, and they lost Malik Beasley.
45:45So, I'm not saying those are huge losses, but you, Torian Prince, you know, like-
45:51You think that Dame is falling off?
45:53I think, I don't think it worked out. I don't think it's worked out in Milwaukee for Dame,
45:58although Dame is still capable of putting up big numbers and all that. To me,
46:03the depth of Orlando, and although Orlando needed a point guard and didn't get a point guard,
46:09they're gonna go, I guess, go with Anthony Black, the second-year guy. Like, Markel Fultz is still
46:13out there as a free agent. Like, they ain't got, you know, Milwaukee, I mean, Orlando needed a
46:18point guard. Cleveland just kind of re-signed everybody, but, you know, if they're healthy,
46:24they're a fifth seed, and then we, I said, Indiana, Indiana brought everybody back.
46:30They brought the whole brand back. They've re-signed everybody. So, to me, where do you
46:35put Milwaukee? Vinny, where do you put Milwaukee?
46:38I still pill Milwaukee in the top four. I think Damian Lillard, you know, coming off the divorce,
46:47not going personal, but he, it's public knowledge, you know, he went through the
46:51divorce last year. It was a late trade. I think if he is still himself, now he's a small guard
47:00who's had injuries, and at age 30, what, 33, 34? Like, you start to see the fall off. Like,
47:06you saw Gary Payton start to fall off at 34. You know, Jason Kidd was still reasonably effective
47:12at 34. Magic was retired. Isaiah was retired. You know, Allen Iverson started to fall off around 32,
47:1733. So, if he's going to buck that trend, because in large part, because he's a three-point shooter
47:24like Stephen Curry, although on a different level, and we're saying he's more comfortable,
47:28he's in shape, and all those things, I think you have two high-level players in Giannis and Dame,
47:34and in the Eastern Conference, that is going to give you a top-four seed. I have concerns
47:41about Indiana defensively. I have concerns about Tyrese Halliburton's health. Like,
47:46I think he was battling some stuff toward the tail end of the Olympics, even though he wasn't
47:50playing a lot. I still do believe that he was battling that hamstring, and you guys know from
47:55watching Kevin Johnson back in the day, when you have that first hamstring injury, you continue to
48:01have hamstring injuries. Like, it doesn't really necessarily, like, leave you. Like, Sherrod,
48:06you saw Chauncey Billups have hamstring injuries toward the tail end of his career in Detroit,
48:11and that kind of precipitated a lot of other things. So, I'm not sure Miami's going to do,
48:18like, if you're saying, you know, Terry Rozier, you know, with that, you know,
48:22Miami Heat sort of culture, and Jimmy Butler's going to play more than 65 games. All right,
48:26cool, but I would have to see it. I think if you have Giannis with health, and you have Dame being
48:30a reasonable version of himself, that's a 50-win team. Yeah, I think with Miami, I just think,
48:37one, Jimmy's, we all know, and you were, you've seen him in person, live and in person, Vinny,
48:42Jimmy in a contract year, because Jimmy about his paper, right? You're saying, you're saying
48:48Jimmy going to perform, or you're saying Jimmy going to agitate? No, well, he'll do both.
48:53Both. But he'll perform, because Jimmy's money's on the line, and the last few years, his money
48:58was not on the line, right? He felt like he did real good by getting into the finals in 23,
49:04which he did, because that was not, that was an A-seeded team, that was not a finals caliber team,
49:10but the Celtics tripped up, and Spoh outcoached Missoula, and whatever. But I think, one,
49:16Spoh's got something to prove, because Miami was this kind of lap, people aren't taking
49:23him as seriously as they probably should. Hero, Rozier, they lost Caleb Martin, but
49:30I think fully healthy, I think the addition of the kid Kalel Ware, him playing in the starting
49:37five and moving Bam to the four, is going to really unleash Bam. Bam's learning how to shoot
49:43threes, and people were laughing at me when I saw him in the Olympics hitting threes. I was like,
49:47okay, y'all think I'm playing. Well, it's a shorter run in the Olympics, but he's still
49:52hitting 22-footers. Bam, I'm not talking about he's going to be a 42% three-point shooter,
49:57but he is going to unleash his game, and I think Miami will be a five or six seed.
50:03So I just didn't see a Milwaukee do enough, and I love Dot, we all love Dot, but it didn't work.
50:11You look at Dane's numbers last year, Vinny, he shot 42% from the field after 46% the previous
50:19year, and 35% from three after 37%, like an average eight less points. Now, he took three less shots,
50:26but is that slippage? You know what I'm saying? Is that the slippage that we're kind of talking about?
50:31Like, that might be the slippage. You might be like, oh, you're right, Dane had some personal
50:36issues. Unfortunately, he didn't go. He wasn't in Milwaukee in a good place mentally. He had to
50:43leave his family. You get thrown into Milwaukee after being in Portland all those years. He
50:49thought he was going to Miami and being on South Beach. We know there's a difference between
50:54Milwaukee and Miami. You don't say. The only thing they have is they both start with M,
51:00in similarity. Yeah, like Chicago and Cleveland, where a convention is going to be next year.
51:06Big difference between those two places. Oh, boy. Anyway, move on, move on. I ain't having
51:12no Cleveland brothers after me. Cleveland got some dudes. I ain't having them after
51:17me, Bob Ripon. I'm good with Cleveland, especially security at the arena. I'm good with Cleveland
51:22security at the arena. Them Cleveland dudes at the arena be choking. Oh, the dudes with the
51:27jerry curl? It's not a jerry curl, Vinny. It's a slicked back. Oh, so a ponytail,
51:35and a ponytail, right? And that's 6'6", dude. That's 6'6", dude. The dude that's 6'6", height,
51:41and 6'6", biceps. Yeah, that dude. He looked like Uncle Ruckus, minus like the bad eye.
51:46Well, the fact is there's a list, Vinny, and I'm sure you have a list, too, of dudes over 60 that
51:54you still would not step to, right? It might be a long list, but there's a list. Yeah, I want to
52:01step to Paul Silas, and the man's dead. Exactly. He is on that list. He is on that. The Cleveland
52:10security guy, I don't know his name. He's a good guy. He on that list. He tell me if every other
52:16media member go in the locker room, and he tell me the locker room closed, I'm staying outside
52:20the locker room till he tell me it's open. Man, you better man up. Locker room closed for you.
52:26You better man up. I ain't stepping. I ain't taking the beat. I ain't taking the beat down.
52:33See, Gary, why do Gary got to turn me into Scrappy-Doo every time? You know what I mean?
52:37That's who you are, Vinny. You are. That's, come on.
52:40Vinny-Doo. That's pretty appropriate.
52:41Vinny-Doo. Pretty appropriate.
52:44Vinny-Doo.
52:46You are Marty Marr. You're the one challenging middleweight champion Tommy Hearns to a fight
52:52because he tried to flirt with your girl. That is Vinny. If that ain't Vinny.
52:57The brawl for it all.
53:02You call Tommy Hearns a get-hit man.
53:04Look, man, if a boxer hit on my woman, then I'm having to talk with my woman. I ain't talking to
53:15the boxer. That's a loser proposition. It's, baby, we leaving.
53:18Google Tommy Hearns and Martin, and y'all will come up with the episode,
53:21and y'all won't know what we're talking about if you don't know what we're talking about.
53:25To me, with Lillard, is that the slippage that we're seeing, or is that just a bad year? We
53:34don't know. I'm not making a determination, but to me, Dame is your number two.
53:42Middleton's the guy, and we've seen him. I mean, that dude, he is on the all-time Celtic killer
53:47list. We've seen that guy for years, put it down on the Celtics, but he's just not,
53:52he can't stay healthy anymore, and he's only 33. So we'll see. I just think there's too many
53:59variables for Milwaukee to say, oh, they're top 14, but what do you think, Sherrod?
54:05Milwaukee is going to be in that four through six range. I mean, a lot's just going to depend on how
54:10healthy they are, whether Dame can be Portland Dame or somewhere between that and what we saw
54:17last season. If he's closer to Dame from Portland, yeah, they're going to be top four, top five,
54:22but if he goes back and plays like we saw last season or worse, they may not even make the
54:28damn playoffs. They might be playing in battle. Facts. I mean, that's how important he is for
54:33what they're about, and if his game continues to fall off, they don't really have recourse.
54:37They don't have anyone they can look to and say, well, if this guy steps up, we'll be all right.
54:41No, they don't got anybody like that. I mean, if you're looking for Torian Prince to be that dude,
54:45you're going to keep looking. You're going to be looking for-
54:48My man Bobby. Hey, my man Bobby Portis.
54:51Yeah, Bobby. I like Bobby. I can't be mad at Bobby.
54:55No, we love Bobby.
54:56And you got Pat Bay about the locker room, so you ain't got to worry about that bit of
55:02are you listening to my podcast nonsense.
55:04We'll see. Who knows? Maybe Gary Trent Jr. has a career year playing on a minimum deal.
55:10It's just, to me, there's just so much variables that have to happen, and then you look at the
55:14other teams, like Orlando, Adden, KCP, even though, to me, it still bothers me. Y'all need a
55:22point guard. Y'all had trouble scoring, and y'all get a 3 and D guy, and y'all still ain't got a
55:27point guard.
55:29Ty Jones was screaming at them. I'm surprised they didn't go and get a Ty Jones.
55:33I don't understand Orlando. I guess Anthony Black's the answer. We'll see. He had some
55:38moments during his rookie year, and then Cleveland, and then Indiana. There's other
55:45teams. The thing about the East, it's going to be some cold days in Chicago,
55:53cold days in Washington. You don't know about Atlanta. Toronto, there's going to be some bad
56:04basketball in some of the East Coast teams. The West, I can't say that. The East, it's going to
56:10be some hard days.
56:15Well, that's good for us because that gives us plenty to talk about going ahead into the season.
56:20On that note, we're going to call it a day. Folks, thanks for tuning in to the
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