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00:00:12Taylor Kyle's John Zanis here for a Patriots postgame. We woke up early for this
00:00:19Yes, we did and it wasn't early I mean for some people, you know, but look
00:00:24This is tough Taylor and I were talking a little bit off offline or trying to keep you know
00:00:30All of the good stuff for the show. We want to hear your thoughts
00:00:33I think my head's spinning in terms of direction
00:00:36You know of where to go with this game because generally speaking, you know, and you know my take
00:00:42I'm not invested in this season Taylor
00:00:46The wins and losses don't matter you are looking for progress and you're looking for primarily
00:00:52I think the number one thing that's most important is to see whether or not you have a franchise quarterback
00:00:56And so what's so interesting about this game is after the first couple of drives
00:01:00It wasn't just that the Patriots took a 10-nothing lead
00:01:02It was that Drake may looked every bit the part of the type of person you hope he can be
00:01:07Down the road not even is right now in his second NFL start total poise total command
00:01:12accuracy on the intermediate throws getting through his progressions feeling the pressure when he needed to
00:01:17Everything was terrific in such in such an arrow pointing up sort of way
00:01:21I wish we could have a graph of like the emotion of Patriots fans from that point
00:01:28till
00:01:29now and what you're feeling because it's hard for me to knock Drake may off the front page as the lead of
00:01:37Anything we talk about regarding this team because I think it's so far and away the most important thing
00:01:41but this was and you and I talked about it offline a
00:01:45Demoralizing almost Dallas 2023 sort of feel to
00:01:51The hopelessness you feel because while as a Patriots fan you may at this moment say hey
00:01:57We might have got something with this kid you now you're looking around and you're seeing that almost literally every other thing is
00:02:06Broken beyond repair and beyond the point that you can fix it with a draft with an offseason with whatever and it's
00:02:14Depressing I think and that's what people are kind of feeling right now. And so we'll start with the area
00:02:18I want you to start with and yes, I'm gonna start with defense because I can't believe I'm doing it
00:02:22I don't think that's where the game was lost
00:02:24I have different opinions on this but
00:02:26It's impossible not to look at what just happened here and come away with the conclusion that the Patriots just got
00:02:31Absolutely bullied and manhandled by one of the worst teams in football and that's the feeling you're gonna feel when you wake up tomorrow
00:02:38and like Oh
00:02:40Jacksonville just shoved it down our freakin throats and that's what happened. Anyway, welcome in everybody as well here
00:02:47That's my little opening rant and tirade and let's let's hear from the expert here on what the F happened, man
00:02:53And we don't even get the mercy of like it's a night game. So it's just like all right, you know what?
00:02:58I'm just gonna go to sleep. It's a morning game
00:03:01We have the whole rest of the day and just be like what the hell did I just watch and you said you'd love to
00:03:05See a graph that shows how Patriots fans don't throughout the game
00:03:08I'll actually show you exactly how Patriots fans felt throughout the game
00:03:14You start off like oh wait, we're cooking we're cooking. Oh, are we actually good?
00:03:19are we back and then we were
00:03:21Grabbed from the clutches of we're back and just dragged down to the eternal depths of oh, no
00:03:27We might be at right now and this is exactly I think how that felt
00:03:31So a little visual demonstration there from Tay I can figure out how to get that off. But yeah, I mean
00:03:36You're right. The defense didn't lose this game and I even tweeted at the end
00:03:40I almost wanted to give them partial credit the team overall because they didn't quit
00:03:44like the Patriots finally put the scoring drive together where you thought kind of like the 49ers game where it felt hopeless and then they
00:03:50Actually get a stop and a score so you're like, maybe they can come back
00:03:53but at the end of the day when you are already facing a big halftime deficit and then the other team comes out and says
00:03:59We're gonna run the ball right down your throat and you're not gonna stop us
00:04:03That is a complete tone setter because we were talking about it
00:04:07There is no worse way to lose in any sport
00:04:10Then being in football being behind knowing you need to come back in the offense on the other side of the ball
00:04:16Just runs it right up the gut every play
00:04:18It's literally like getting punched in the face in boxing except in boxing if you're exhausted and can't take it anymore
00:04:24They'll at least tap out in the matches over in football
00:04:28They're just gonna keep doing it until the game is over and the earlier that halftime lead sets in the worse
00:04:33It's gonna be and that was the biggest takeaway for me because offensively
00:04:37They made too many mistakes like the Hunter Henry penalty was egregious. The Pop Douglas penalty was stupid
00:04:42I don't know what they were looking at because
00:04:44It's like he didn't go upfield. So what are you looking at?
00:04:47But either way like the offense had its issues
00:04:50But you're also on what your seventh offensive line combination and then Lane Robinson gets hurt
00:04:54I think that partially affected the ground game, although that was unacceptable that they couldn't get that going
00:04:59But again, it's a different rotation. I have some level of you know
00:05:03Empathy for what they're going through there to Mario Douglas is sick
00:05:07That's your most dynamic player
00:05:08And you know Drake Mays in a tough position because although you had the early lead
00:05:12Things are very quickly got out of hand because the defense gives up a score
00:05:15Um, yeah touchdown and then immediately after you go three and out and then the special teams gives up a touchdown
00:05:21But really the defense for me, it's you have that second quarter where it's completely abysmal that's where they start running on you
00:05:27That's where they even have some success passing on the second level of your defense
00:05:31But then really that second half where they couldn't get off the field just draining the time off the clock
00:05:36Patriots again did get a touchdown drive together, which is one of the few bright spots where it's oh, yeah
00:05:42Drake Mays a baller even Drake may have I would say three or four turnover worthy plays in this game where it's no obvious ones
00:05:49But yeah, yeah
00:05:50Like there's the one that he threw right before the touchdown where it should have gone right into a defenders hands
00:05:55Yeah
00:05:55one that he had off schedule that he tried to pop the hunter Henry that also looked like it might have gone through
00:05:59Defenders hands like the rookie wasn't perfect
00:06:02but at least he showed you some promise but I
00:06:04got a credit the defense because you force a field goal turnover on downs and a punt and then the touchdowns at the end of
00:06:10The game when you're already destroyed like I do want to give them some partial credit for that
00:06:15You're not giving up touchdowns, but we're talking about drives in the second half
00:06:1812 plays for 67 yards 5 minutes and 18 seconds
00:06:2217 plays 84 drives 1124 off the clock
00:06:25Then when you desperately need the ball back after the touchdown 8 plays 26 yards 4 minutes 24 seconds doesn't sound terrible
00:06:32But the Patriots were in a position where they desperately needed a three and out or some kind of quick stop and couldn't get it
00:06:37So that's really the biggest gripe. I have is the Patriots strength has always been the run defense
00:06:42I understand the injuries not having Juwan Bentley not having Christian bar more
00:06:47Huge but I'm also seeing guys like Jelani to buy getting blown off the ball or not in the gaps where it looks like they're
00:06:51Supposed to be and that's the part that really doesn't sit well with me
00:06:54Is this second level is completely vulnerable and then the front level actually the defensive line
00:07:00It's hard to know who it was on each given play
00:07:02but they're getting driven off the ball and you're seeing like the running back gets the carry and
00:07:06The Patriots defensive line is like one or two yards off already. So
00:07:11That's the part that really bothers. Yeah, so it's in a tough spot, but the defense could knock it off the field
00:07:16So yeah, so that's the thing is like so and this is where I don't
00:07:19The only place where we differ is that's the observation that got bullied got bullied up front got destroyed
00:07:26You know at the point of attack and the line of scrimmage both sides of the ball and that's gonna kill you
00:07:31But the reason that doesn't bother me as much is a lot of times that's simply just straight-up personnel
00:07:37they they just they had bigger tougher batter people sadly who just pushed your
00:07:42replacement level or worse people around and
00:07:46You have guys, you know, you're you're mixing and matching in the linebacker core. You're not really sure what you're going to do there
00:07:52You know, you're obviously down
00:07:54You know multiple people, you know across both the offensive and defensive side of the ball. That's
00:08:02Creating an environment where yeah, you just you you lack some of the
00:08:07You like the personnel to be able to do what you want to do all the time
00:08:11So you have to get smart you have to get creative
00:08:13You have to take advantage of what works and you have to be quick and abandon what doesn't work and so I'm gonna kind
00:08:18of keep coming back to I
00:08:21You know
00:08:21I know
00:08:22scripted first drives
00:08:24Oftentimes are the best-looking drives any team is gonna have an entire game and you know
00:08:28and the Patriots had a really good one and the first and I think I believe they only ran the ball a
00:08:33Couple of times in that in that first drive and they they did some really smart things and Drake May was on time
00:08:37And he looked like he had command and he did everything right and then they did it again
00:08:41And then inexplicably they ran I think through the first half eight times on first down for a combined minus two or minus four yards
00:08:49It was so obviously not working. But if you're going to continue to insist that we are a running team
00:08:54We use the run to set up the pass. We have to set up play action
00:08:57It's a strength of who we're going to be and then you can't be that. Well, maybe that's not who you are
00:09:04and maybe though that who's that's who you thought you should be and you were going to be when the season began and
00:09:11I don't know that that's who you are anymore. And I I think they were extremely slow to diagnose that I
00:09:17Don't know if we're gonna win this game
00:09:19but the best chance we have is to kind of let Drake Drake try and cook and
00:09:25Hope for the best because the other stuff wasn't working
00:09:28they got ultra conservative with what they were doing and they just and
00:09:32Jacksonville who has some offensive players and has some weapons and has a good quarterback
00:09:36Started to put points up on your defense that has been leaky you what did you expect? You're gonna pitch a shutout at 10-nothing
00:09:43I don't understand you had to keep pressing and had to keep pressing an
00:09:47Advantage that it looked like you have and put up some points and I just didn't see it
00:09:51So I'll ask you, you know
00:09:52It's easy to say the easiest thing for like the layperson football fan to say is what are you doing running?
00:09:59and obviously you can't pass 70 times a game but
00:10:04Running on first down predictably all of those times and having those drives blown up after those first two successful ones and
00:10:10Continuing to carry that on I thought was you know
00:10:14At best conservative at worst like really unimaginative and like borderline, you know incompetent
00:10:21Like I I don't I didn't understand it. I didn't understand where the offense went in that regard
00:10:25I also think and we found out later with pop and you may disagree here
00:10:29There's a problem when your best playmaker plays only in 11 personnel and you're out there running 12 personnel a lot
00:10:35Turns out pop was sick in some way and maybe that limited maybe it wasn't
00:10:39I think he lost four snaps in that first half to Osborne who subbed in and in his place
00:10:47But your best playmakers not on the field half the time and that's a problem
00:10:50So like sometimes you got to just abandon from well
00:10:53This is my 11 personnel package my 12 personnel package and say I any fucking I gotta get friggin pop on the field
00:10:58He's the only guy who can make a play here
00:10:59It's the only guy who could separate you only can get open
00:11:01Especially when Polk who we're going to talk about at great length eventually, but it's not the lead, but it's a thing
00:11:09Is it just batting balls down like it's friggin, you know
00:11:12Hail Mary passes instead of trying to catch it like as a defender. It's trying to defend a Hail Mary like so
00:11:19I don't know. That's my view from where I sit any any validity to any of that
00:11:25So with pop the thing with the 12 personnel like I think that's getting blown out of proportion
00:11:30Cuz that's just the early down offense and I've gone through it
00:11:33Really the only times they're passing out of those or to make it look like run where it's play action
00:11:37Like at the end of the day, you're talking about maybe five drawbacks that pops out involved in
00:11:41I think that whole thing has gotten blown completely out of proportion. So I'm just gonna say that like the 12 personnel
00:11:47No, he's not in there
00:11:48But he's not the only person and also pop is someone who has a history of concussions a lot of those plays
00:11:53Off-play action or going over the middle like I'm not really that mad
00:11:57The pop isn't in those specific groupings because they still play a ton of 11 personnel
00:12:01That's still part of their base offense
00:12:02And also this week specifically I do think we got the report that he was sick Jay Vaughn Baker didn't make the trip
00:12:08He was designated with an illness on I think was Friday
00:12:11So maybe there's something going around the room like honestly once I heard it was an illness
00:12:15I'm like, okay this math kind of starting to add up. Maybe the symptoms popped up late last night
00:12:19So the pop thing I'm not really diving too much into that the guy was sick
00:12:23and like I said
00:12:24I don't think the 12 personnel stuff is nearly as big of a deal as people are making it out to be and
00:12:28Then when it comes to them being conservative
00:12:31Let's remember they passed on the first first down after their field goal drive when the Jaguars scored a touchdown
00:12:36They threw in case on booty drew DPI
00:12:39Then the next play they run the ball like I'm really not upset with it. That was the other not great throw
00:12:44He was a DPI. That was the other one. I was trying to think of with me, but yes, go ahead
00:12:47Yeah, but a little behind him not necessarily turnover worthy, but not a great one
00:12:51But yeah, right and then again Drake did good things
00:12:55But let's not act like he was perfect today either and also you have to Monterey Jacobs going up against Josh Heinzel
00:13:00I'm like I didn't want them to air it out this game and I thought they would but I didn't want it to turn into
00:13:05Oh, it's first in ten. Let's have Drake made to a straight drop back. Like I didn't mind that
00:13:09So, okay the run gets stopped for negative yardage
00:13:13They lose a yard right after they get the DPI
00:13:15The next play is a screen to Hunter Henry that for some reason Hunter almost ran into Michael Jordan as he was going out to
00:13:22Release then that gets blown up for four yards
00:13:24Then you're facing third and 15 after a second and 11 already like I don't really think that's about necessarily play calling
00:13:31I think it's execution or play design one or the other. I didn't have an issue with the actual play there
00:13:35All right
00:13:36So then the Patriots pump the ball away after that drive, right?
00:13:39So you try to pass get the run blown up you have a screen that gets blown up because it's poorly designed
00:13:44Then you basically have to kind of give up and dump it off Jaguar score touchdown
00:13:48Patriots have to punt again. So what was that next drive a run up the middle for one yard that one?
00:13:53I can understand pushing back against Drake throw short to K shot
00:13:56KJ Osborne for four yards third and five
00:13:59Hunter Henry false start on third and five that kind of kills your chances of actually converting because then he tries to throw it to
00:14:05Jalen Polk set them up during the two-minute
00:14:08They can't they pumped it away and then it's a touchdown and then the game got completely out of hand, right?
00:14:12Then you can't score when you try to go for it for two minutes
00:14:15So I think more so than the play calling it was that this game just kind of spun out of control
00:14:20Completely in the second quarter and at that point you're I know but from a deficit anyway, no, no doubt and I'm not our I'm not
00:14:26arguing
00:14:28With you or on this point in particular, but the two things could potentially go hand in hand
00:14:33Which is you had to press your advantage a little bit. It wasn't just calling runs
00:14:37It was just the style of place that they were trying to run. It felt everything was kind of controlled
00:14:41you know just trying to kind of play it safe and play it safe and I
00:14:45Understand wanting to do that with a rookie
00:14:47I understand that we did that with you know
00:14:49You saw them do that with Mac Jones for an entire year pretty much when people were like, hey, he looks capable
00:14:54Throw more at him. I would say the recognition I'm looking at here is understand that hey may looks really
00:15:01Comfortable after these two drives, maybe we can open things up a bit
00:15:05Again, that's asking for a lot because now you're asking for things that you haven't seen happen consistently to happen consistently
00:15:12Which is receivers get separation receivers catch the ball and the offensive line be able to hold up
00:15:18And so obviously any of those things could blow up that plan
00:15:21which is why I say for better or for worse but kind of the feeling that you were going to be able to do what
00:15:27You were doing and continue on with it and then watch the thing spiral a little bit out of control and just say well
00:15:33Stick to the plan
00:15:34Didn't feel like it was necessarily the way to go there
00:15:37The penalties are still gonna bother the shit that bother me completely here when you talked about the Hunter Henry penalty
00:15:42I think closing that second half the three penalties that hurt them were on Hunter Henry Jelani Tavai Kyle Duggar
00:15:49These are your veteran leaders. These are guys who are supposed to be in Dietrich wise and Dietrich wise who went all on
00:15:55It was some decent. Oh, no
00:15:57He I'm sorry gave up the edge on a scramble for Trevor Lawrence on I think it was a third down where Dietrich wise has
00:16:03been preaching discipline and not getting penalties and Dietrich wise got a penalty last week that cost them a third down as well now,
00:16:08obviously the
00:16:10Texans missed a field goal, but to your point
00:16:12It's very disappointing when it's your veterans and your captains who are the ones that are having these costly penalties. So great point
00:16:18It really really bothered me there. And that's the thing that keeps getting to me is like
00:16:23who
00:16:24If not them then who you know, and that's the thing is like if you I don't think Hunter Henry's a world beater
00:16:30But he's a veteran leader. He's a professional football player to vie for sure
00:16:34There's you've only got guys
00:16:37It may be like half your positions on the field right now that you can really rely upon
00:16:42That really have to go above and beyond and set examples and perform at optimal level
00:16:47You just can't have it from those guys because you have so many other people in so many other spots who are just
00:16:54Sadly overmatched and barely hanging on and just trying to do their absolute best
00:16:58There so when you see, you know
00:17:01Some disappointing outings from these guys when you see Gonzo get burned on that 58-yard post, which again, he's a human
00:17:07It happens very fast
00:17:12Was really close it was pretty decent coverage
00:17:14He got half a step on him perfect throw good catch, you know down the field there
00:17:18I'm not buddy gets beat on the two-pointer. It happens. It's not the end of the world
00:17:22I'm not putting anything on Gonzo for this game
00:17:24But you know
00:17:25You need you need them to at you need them to step up or to at least not
00:17:30Poop all over themselves and and make penalties and do you know those types of things that that you saw those guys doing and that's
00:17:37That's what kills you there. So you don't have any issue with the coaching at all
00:17:42The coaching is usually one of those things were honestly unless it's there
00:17:46They're a soft team and Mayo said it now. I'll play a bite for you
00:17:49Offensively, it's one of those things are like, all right
00:17:51Let me actually go through the game again, because I can't think of anything
00:17:54You can say maybe they should have run here or whatever
00:17:56But like I didn't see anything that was so bad like, you know, the end of half situation
00:18:00Maybe I don't like that. They tried to go for it necessarily
00:18:03But also I think with them they just think they need to execute in those situations and we keep seeing that most of the time
00:18:08They can't but defensively like I don't even know
00:18:12What it was exactly because it wasn't like scheme necessarily. The players are just losing their running stuff
00:18:18Running just dives
00:18:20They're literally running big dives into the center of the line and just getting anything they wanted
00:18:27You know this inside zone inside zone. They were just running basic stuff right at you and you couldn't stop it. It was unbelievable
00:18:35There's nothing more embarrassing than it was was it 17 or 18 straight runs there in that fourth quarter?
00:18:40I think they had before Trevor Lawrence had that really late pass
00:18:44They like had a 13 to 0 run to pass ratio in the fourth quarter. It was insane
00:18:49They literally didn't pass until let me actually see what play it was exactly that they finally were like, hey Trevor
00:18:56We'll get you involved in the game with four minutes and nine seconds left
00:18:59It was the third and seven that he threw incomplete to Christian Kirk
00:19:01That was the first time they ran in the fourth quarter. So basically they went not 10 minutes straight
00:19:05They didn't have all the entire time
00:19:06But basically you went that old time and just didn't even try to pass the ball say knew they didn't need to and that is
00:19:12I wish I was in the locker room to talk to Devon Godshaw because I can only imagine he's furious and considering how he's played
00:19:18What's he mad about getting pushed back on roller skates, sir? I I'm he's been fantastic this season
00:19:24So I assume that was him but because you got like Jaqueline Roy Eric Johnson like guys that are trying to fill in
00:19:30I don't know for sure who exactly was getting pushed around. I got to go back and watch that so
00:19:34I'm not sure. I got y'all to the bottom. He's not gonna be happy
00:19:40I'm with you. I'll tell you I'm all I am very I
00:19:45Am very concerned for the well-being of my employees
00:19:48And the people was people I work with and I'll tell you that Taylor Kyle's around this point last year entered a really dark place
00:19:55Because it was like oh my god this this all year. I don't want you going back there Taylor. I don't want that
00:20:01I want I want the positive stuff that last year was a tough team to cover and this is getting hard to cover because
00:20:08again, and this is this is another reason why as
00:20:13Much as I I did I you're all lucky
00:20:16Everyone here is lucky that I wasn't here. Well your eyes pop. You saw the quote that Mayo said there. Yeah
00:20:22Yeah, I'm gonna put it up. I have it. I have it. I you're lucky
00:20:25I wasn't here to take the Drake May should have been playing all along victory lap last week
00:20:29I'm keeping it mainly to myself my favorite thing about that stupid argument of he's gonna get you ruined that
00:20:36We that we batted around for all of this time is that it's over. It doesn't matter anymore
00:20:41He's playing and he's going to play and now you can move forward on it
00:20:45But the thing that I like the most off of this in terms of you have to be honest, right?
00:20:50Like why pretend real problems aren't real problems now that you can feel better that the quarterback position is
00:20:57In decent hands and and and that oh now it's our job and Mayo said it last game and people are like
00:21:04What do you mean?
00:21:05You got to be better around the rookie like what that he's right like so it looks like this guy can play
00:21:10We got to support him a little bit that doesn't just mean on the field
00:21:13That means what they do off the field in the offseason with the draft with all of those things now
00:21:19It's about diagnosing and really putting under the microscope
00:21:22Every other thing that's going on with this team because this season again, I've said from the beginning
00:21:28I don't give a crap about the wins and losses
00:21:30You don't want demoralizing losses because they feel shitty and then it's just gonna make everything worse and worse and worse
00:21:35You don't want to see people making business decisions and starting to quit and all of those things later for sure
00:21:40You need some good mixed in there
00:21:42You have to see the arrow pointing up some
00:21:44But it's been going down down down since week one and now you can't look at it and just say it's the quarterback play
00:21:50It's a quarterback play. It's a quarterback play. It's the offensive line play. It's the offensive line play
00:21:55It's about all of the other things that are problems and they're real problems and that you're depending on your opinion
00:22:01Some people are looking at coaching whether it's schematically or having people ready to play
00:22:05Some people are looking at certain positions that you weren't focusing as much attention on that
00:22:09Maybe got a pass because everything was so bad
00:22:12I'll tell you what Drake Mays made the offensive line look slightly better for two consecutive weeks
00:22:17even through Houston last week that did get a decent pressure rate by
00:22:21You know being on time
00:22:24Standing place doing what he has to do extending plays making some off-platform plays
00:22:27He's doing that and the offensive line in turn looks better
00:22:30Who doesn't look better the receivers who doesn't look better the defense and now this is a taking stock year
00:22:35This is a what do we have that's worth keeping and what do we have that we got to get rid of?
00:22:41Immediately and that's kind of where you're at and I think learning this about you is good in some sense because you have to figure
00:22:48out what you can and can't do and who can and can't play because you got to address a lot of things this offseason you
00:22:54Got to be able to prioritize what those things are. You can't go in assuming my defense is good
00:22:59If it's not there might be some issues here where you have to address
00:23:03certain areas on the field and people that you thought maybe were better than they are and
00:23:08Replace them or try to upgrade or do whatever you can do there
00:23:10We all know the the much publicized offensive line wide receiver quarterback situation. That's still a thing
00:23:18But now it's kind of a little bit more exposed now that the the quarterback thing is out of the way. We mentioned we mentioned
00:23:25Gerard Mayo, we're gonna hear from it here
00:23:27This is Mayo at the podium talking about what he thinks of the problem with the team currently is
00:23:32Whatever time it is
00:23:35Look
00:23:36Disappointing game disappointing game. We came out. We started fast. What I would say is what we're a soft football team across the board
00:23:42Talk about what makes a tough football team that's being able to run the ball
00:23:45That's being able to stop the run and that's being able to cover kicks and we did none of those today
00:23:50They control the ball for most of the day
00:23:52Their run game averaged over four and a half yards to carry our run game. Not sure what the average was, but it wasn't good
00:23:59But back to the drawing board, I mean we can't sit here and pout we just
00:24:09So I'll ask you and again going back to coaching it's easy to say like I
00:24:14Think blaming coaching in a lot of sports is a big cop-out
00:24:17I think less so in football because I think the coach is responsible the coaching the entire staff is responsible for so much
00:24:23Taylor and that includes the overall mentality of the team getting them ready to play
00:24:29And then also putting them in the best position to succeed
00:24:33I'll have you at and it's such a far cry where we are now from
00:24:39Week one Cincinnati will run through a wall from that guy. Hell. Yeah, you know the the lot the tunnel celebration and all of those
00:24:45Things about like, all right, we showed you to where they are now where it's like
00:24:50Shoulders slumped finger pointing hands in the air, you know
00:24:54Perplexed I call it the Pete Carroll expression like I can't believe though. Did that just happen?
00:24:59You know like yeah, it happened fix it
00:25:01You know like where's was a lot of that going on which is like shrug your shoulders like what's going on?
00:25:06It's kind of your job to to know and to fix it and to figure it out and to do the best you can
00:25:11So is there I'm guessing you still go in that locker room and you're in there every day
00:25:16I don't think there's a vibe that Mayo's lost the room
00:25:18but I'll tell you this you get your ass kicked seven eight nine ten weeks in a row you walk off the field and you
00:25:23start wondering like
00:25:24Why am I?
00:25:25Doing this or why are we doing that or like should we have been doing this more and that second guessing comes in?
00:25:31You're gonna have problems and you might have them already
00:25:34So what I really wonder is I you're right
00:25:37I don't think the locker room vibe is that you know dried mayo is losing guys and again
00:25:42There is something to be said for the fact that the defense did get like that stop right near the red zone
00:25:47That's a point where a team that really doesn't care would just let them walk in and that's honestly what I expected given what they had
00:25:53Done. That's really again. I mean that was fake
00:25:56It's the smallest grain of salt I can add because I really do think there's a difference between a team that
00:26:01Genuinely is quitting and like guys are standing up versus I mean, obviously it still wasn't good
00:26:06But that's all again. That's just kind of a soft entrance into what I'm going to say
00:26:11I would like I don't I'm curious to see how active rod Mayo is on the sidelines
00:26:16It's something I'm gonna be looking out for more in the games that were actually ex usually there's so much going on
00:26:20But you know with like Belichick if the defense was getting gashed
00:26:24He's getting in that huddle and he's telling you like we need to do XYZ
00:26:28Like we need to get this together and I don't like making the bill Mayo comparisons because those were never going to be fair
00:26:34But like Mayo was the leader of this defense now, it's Covington
00:26:38but I wonder like is Mayo still seen as the guy who they answer to and who they defer to at the end of the
00:26:44Because I just I always see him on the sideline
00:26:47But I never see those clips of him like getting the defense together being like get your shit together
00:26:51This is completely unacceptable
00:26:53We can't be going on the field and having them running down the middle
00:26:56Play after play when we know what's coming and we still can't stop it. That is the definition of a soft defense
00:27:03Literally, it's what we saw the Patriots due to the Bengals and I'm thinking Oh classic Cincy
00:27:07You know, they never have a good run game or good run defense and this is how you can tell you know
00:27:11Why they haven't gotten further necessarily more consistently and that's what you saw from them
00:27:15So, I don't know if Rod Mayo maybe needs to be more active with these guys on the sideline
00:27:20I don't know what it is
00:27:20But the mentality week after week just hasn't been there even though you have guys like Devon gotcha who clearly aren't happy with it
00:27:26Who I'm sure are voicing his concerns on the sideline and it's still not enough and at this point
00:27:31I don't really care about the injuries like you're still a professional football player
00:27:34You're being held to a certain standard like gotcha said even if you're a backup
00:27:38You need to prepare like you're a starter because you're one snap away from being a starter and again
00:27:43I need to watch the film to know if it was the backups if it was guys like Daniel
00:27:46O'Fallon if you'd expect to be Scout
00:27:48But like I mean, yes, this does fall on coaching because he said it himself. You're soft across the board. Whose fault is that?
00:27:54It's yours. So yeah, I mean, that's all I gotta say
00:27:57Like how do we go his role is exactly when it comes to like in day guys. Where's my
00:28:03This is my big takeaway, uh, you know and on the on on that situation and again
00:28:09I I say everything with the caveat of
00:28:13There's major issues everywhere on this team on the perfect in terms of personnel that makes being a quarterback harder being
00:28:21A head coach harder being a coordinator harder. You're fighting an uphill battle in a lot of different ways. So you always have to grade
00:28:28May going forward also and and also these are guys doing this many of them in for their first year cut
00:28:35DeMarcus Covington is a first-year defensive coordinator Gerard Mayo as we know was never even actually a
00:28:41Coordinator and now he's a head coach, which is a massive responsibility
00:28:45And so I understand that but there's still issues that I think
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00:31:46Let me tell you what bugs me the most on all of it beyond the coulda woulda shoulda second-guessing sort of stuff
00:31:53which I think is
00:31:55Doesn't serve anybody, you know for real I think you can always second-guess some stuff
00:32:00I think some stuff is obvious and egregious some of it is judgment
00:32:03but the reality is and I acknowledge this beyond in in
00:32:07football more so than any other sport the majority of us are
00:32:10not
00:32:11Qualified enough to even open our mouths and to talk about what's going on in terms of schematically and what they could be doing and
00:32:16What they're looking at they're on such a high level and it's so involved and it's so intricate and you don't know
00:32:21What's truly going on there and what they think and work and what they're seeing in practice. There's a lot to it
00:32:25So the second guessing in terms of why are they doing this? Why are they doing that?
00:32:29I never get on for the coaching what I do get on what bugs me a bit Taylor is what you had said earlier. I
00:32:35Think the obsession with not being Bill Belichick is the biggest problem with the coaching staff and with what with Mayo's approach to this year
00:32:42I think Mayo came in as a guy who's going to set a tone and a culture in
00:32:46terms of his attitude and his vibe and he was going to do that by empowering people to
00:32:51Do their jobs and to treat them like men and to have a voice and to be able to voice their criticism
00:32:58It hasn't gone well on or off the field you've had issues with players going on social media and then regretting doing that
00:33:07multiple issues with that you have guys popping off like
00:33:12Polk last week in direct direct opposition to what the head coach said about him
00:33:17You've got two weeks in a row did something that spoke out and like was very bit of vocally dishappy
00:33:23Unhappy with his role this team. Yeah going brain dead
00:33:27Yeah, so again, there's a lot of that stuff. That is
00:33:33The exact so and again, I use the analogy of it's like, you know
00:33:37You're a kid and you're like, you know, you have strict parents. You're like when I'm a parent
00:33:41I'm gonna let my kids do everything and then you try it and you're like, oh crap. Oh, no, that doesn't work
00:33:46That doesn't work, you know
00:33:49And that's I think this is what's happening a little bit here is
00:33:53It's not a position where you can free roll freestyle it and it's not a position where you can freestyle it as a as a
00:33:58Root as a rookie and with a lot of inexperienced coaches as well in your staff
00:34:04You have to be the beacon you have to be the person that everybody follows and you can't just
00:34:10Go out there and give the press conferences and we got of this and we got of that
00:34:13I'm sorry, you have to like that's kind of it like
00:34:18This obsession with not being like Bill and almost so many of the quotes were almost kind of like
00:34:25Subtweeting, you know Bill and the way he was and all of this stuff. It doesn't work. You have to be the tough
00:34:32Leader first and then the buddy next everyone who comes in and wants to be the players coach or players manager fails
00:34:38It's really hard to do unless the rest of your shit is locked down and you can't do that by deferring to your assistants
00:34:46And then be going to them and be like what's going on guys. We got to do better. It's got to be you
00:34:52Who does it and I think there's there's been too much of that which I'm gonna let people do their thing and treat them like
00:34:57Men and then when they don't it comes back to you and this isn't just NFL coaching
00:35:01It's everywhere
00:35:02If you're a manager and you're in charge of everything
00:35:05You just let people do whatever they want all the time and it goes to shit and you get you can have
00:35:09Lawsuits and things like I mean stuff that will take your entire business out. It doesn't work that way. You can't operate that way
00:35:15If there's too much going on here to have that type of approach and that type of attitude
00:35:20So I wonder if he had the benefit of hindsight, he could walk it back
00:35:24He might enter camp with a little bit more of a tough guy
00:35:26You know a hard-ass approach to how things are gonna get done
00:35:30Because that's what this team needs way more than like you can treat veteran winners
00:35:36Differently than you can treat a team like this
00:35:38This was not the approach to take with this team and I think it's killing them a little bit and honestly
00:35:43I think there's a difference between like him wanting to empower players and be more empathetic and all that you can do both
00:35:50Right, like I think that's one thing and I know like everybody keeps quote tweeting that post
00:35:54I had from when Mike and when he was like riding the bike and they had the
00:35:58Basketball hoop in the locker room. First of all, the hoop has never been there since we've been in the locker room
00:36:03So like that was something I think maybe they just introduced early and got rid of we're not seeing people ride bikes
00:36:07Like it's not like this place is a total free-for-all it from everything. We've seen from drug man. What hurt about your odd male
00:36:13I don't think they're going behind the scenes and he's like, hey guys, it's okay
00:36:16Like I think he really is hard on them when he called them a soft team like the Jelani to my baby. I
00:36:22Want you to continue but I'll say that I believe he's doing that. I believe he's calling them out publicly
00:36:26I believe he's going back there afterwards and saying that stuff
00:36:29However, it's the it's the ounce of prevention pound of cure sort of thing
00:36:33Like if you have them prepared on the outset
00:36:35You don't have to go in and say say here's what you did wrong if you told them or they were prepared to do it
00:36:41Right in the first place. You have to be you you have to do less of the other thing
00:36:47Comes before not after that's my that's my thinking but that's why I don't know where the line is drawn
00:36:52Is it like, you know, everybody says how Belichick they knew what they had to get done and they didn't do it
00:36:57It doesn't seem like guys are going in and not knowing how to win game. You know what I'm saying?
00:37:01It doesn't seem like this team is totally lost. It's been an execution thing
00:37:05So for me like all right
00:37:07Is it the preparation in terms of like the type of practices they're having or is it just like a lack of ability to get?
00:37:13Them as energized as they need to be throughout a game and hold that momentum
00:37:17Like I really don't know
00:37:18Because I don't think that they're going in and like having no idea how to win these games or anything like that
00:37:23Like we do see in a lot of there's been very few of these games where they are non-competitive
00:37:27Really just the Jets game was the only one where it's like they're not even like there's no chance
00:37:32I'd like to sim and we're not even halfway through the third quarter like some of these it's like oh, there's some resilience awesome
00:37:38They are not a team that's gonna quit but it's like the resilience mentally a bit is there
00:37:43But then it's just the execution is completely gone
00:37:45So, I mean this is the thing that sucks about covering a losing team is because like I've never been a coach
00:37:51I've never been a play caller a lot of this
00:37:54I really don't know and I'm kind of learning as I go because we've had Belichick for so long and a lot of these things
00:37:59Kind of took care of themselves where with other teams you say oh, haha
00:38:02You know, they're poorly prepared
00:38:03but you don't really need to get into the nitty-gritty of why in this in under this regime it just feels like they know that
00:38:09The executions not good enough and the coaches don't seem like there's necessarily
00:38:14You know the lack of preparation against the Jets is one thing where they're like, yeah, we really just came out with no juice
00:38:19So I don't really know how you fix this
00:38:21I have no idea obviously the injuries of the injuries
00:38:23But you don't know when these guys are gonna come back or if they're gonna come back
00:38:27This could be the bones of the roster that you have throughout the season
00:38:30So frankly, I really don't know where you go from here because of the executions not good enough and a lot of these same players
00:38:35Are on the team last year doing better
00:38:38Obviously it falls in the coaches, but you know who exactly is supposed to get the pieces of the pie. I
00:38:44You know, that's the best question and that's that's the scary thing is I I don't know what ends up happening
00:38:51Is at this time people get emotional they get frustrated and they want to blame somebody or everybody
00:38:56Whether it's founded or not, and you're right. It's actually a good bit more
00:39:01complicated to be able to diagnose exactly what because again
00:39:04We don't know what's going on behind the scenes and for all we know is Mayo is doing a terrific job getting everybody
00:39:09you know doing as
00:39:10much as any other
00:39:12Human could do heading into the week and getting everybody ready and trying to get them on the same page and they're just not responding
00:39:18Sometimes it is I mean we saw Bill Belichick in
00:39:202009 and a famous clip in one of those little docu-series where he's just going to Tom Brady's
00:39:26I can't I can't get these guys to do what I want
00:39:30I can't figure it out and it's Bill Belichick the greatest coaches ever coached and the greatest quarterbacks ever played who?
00:39:37Everybody should absolutely be following every single thing
00:39:40They're saying shrugging their shoulders and be like what's wrong with these effing guys. So it doesn't always work
00:39:45I've thought of that quote every week for the past four weeks. I'm not exaggerating at least once a week
00:39:51I'm just like what are they supposed to do?
00:39:53And I think I'm like, oh my god
00:39:54It's like Bill couldn't do it and this team is like all this losing streak and it looks like it's getting bad
00:39:58I wonder when Mayo or if he's saying that behind the scenes, honestly, because it's like is it coaching?
00:40:04Is it just they've lost so many on field leaders and like playmakers?
00:40:07That now it's kind of exposing some of the guys who maybe weren't doing that as free
00:40:11You know what?
00:40:12I'm saying like I feel like there's definitely the fact that key losses have
00:40:16exacerbated some of the holes they already had and put players who were great role players and now they have to be these other
00:40:22Key starting playmakers and it's just like oh, that's not the kind of guy he is like, I don't know
00:40:27but yeah
00:40:27that quote keeps popping up in my head because it just feels like
00:40:31They're going to the sideline and Mayo's just like I told you what to do. Why aren't you doing it? And again, that's
00:40:39You talk about the different vibes you talked about the basketball
00:40:42We also talked about this, you know, like, you know the vibes right and the vibe shift was supposed to be a good thing
00:40:50Until you go on the field and you play worse every week for six consecutive weeks, that's a problem, you know
00:40:57Like that's a problem. And so this stuff I
00:41:01This is why again, I would caution
00:41:05against any coach coming in here and
00:41:10Trying desperately to separate yourself from the greatest who's ever done it like there is no question
00:41:16Bill Belichick had to go. He had been tuned out. His ways were kind of a little we're starting to get antiquated
00:41:24You know older dude getting more stubborn. I had massive personnel issues too much control. I
00:41:31Get it in that light because really quick this never gets brought up with the bill thing
00:41:36Like we need to be so clear. We all love Bill Belichick
00:41:39we all know that he is a great defensive mind great evaluator count on the defensive side of the ball if we just ignore the
00:41:45Fact that the offense was incompetent as soon as Josh McDaniels left
00:41:48We also need to bring up the fact that the coaching staff was imploding like Bill O'Brien was getting micromanaged
00:41:53There was fighting between the front office and the coaching staff like the staff wasn't really on the same page
00:41:59So like I just want I hate this debate so much and that's really why like everyone knows bill
00:42:04But he needed to go because it wasn't just even the offense. There's no question in the house
00:42:10No
00:42:12Trying to replace trying to desperately separate yourself from a
00:42:18formula that produced
00:42:2113, you know, however many AFC title game appearances 14 15, you know
00:42:27It's like it's seven six eight, you know, nine with nine trips to the Super Bowl six Super Bowl wins like that does it?
00:42:35The one thing you could never question from bill for the until very very recently where things got really bad is
00:42:42Preparedness and and ready to play a game and right now the biggest problem with this team is
00:42:47They don't look ready to play a lot of games. They don't look ready to play in the game
00:42:52They don't look ready for what you know, the situation
00:42:55presents, you know
00:42:57It's like one thing or another because they get the fast start this week
00:43:01That's the frustrating part is like you see them get better at certain points every week like there's something they say they're gonna pinpoint some
00:43:07Weeks, they don't but like this week you get the fast start on offense and defense
00:43:11When's the last time we saw a fast start on offense from the Patriots like honestly going back to like last year
00:43:15We haven't seen it
00:43:16so you check that box and they are ready to start the game and
00:43:19Then they just shit their pants for an entire quarter to the point where you it turns to a blowout in less than 15 minutes
00:43:26Yeah, yeah and again and this was my fear a personnel added a lot to this you lose bar more you lose Peppers now
00:43:33Who you know, we don't know if he's ever gonna play for this team again
00:43:36You know a bar more may or may not you lose judan
00:43:39You've lost some you've lost people who were making plays for you on that side of the ball
00:43:44But my fear was I think Bill Belichick, you know
00:43:48Taking his ball and going home and ignoring the offense entirely and just letting you know
00:43:53Bill O'Brien handle it and you know, okay. Mr. Kraft you you know, you you wanted you wanted an offensive coach here
00:44:01He is it's yours. I'm not drafting anybody go figure it out. And then he just focused on the defense
00:44:05Well, the defense played great
00:44:06My fear was without Belichick's 100% attention to detail that the defense would slack this year a little bit and you can blame some on
00:44:14The personnel but I don't think this precipitous a drop in their overall performance just based on some of the personnel issues that they're facing
00:44:21I think a lot of it has to do with
00:44:24Who's telling them what to do and last year it was bill and this year it's not bill and I'm sorry
00:44:28I think that that that is a tangible difference on the field in terms of what you see
00:44:33But I'm not here to advocate for having kept Bill Belichick
00:44:37I'm here to say that there are things Bill Belichick did you should try to emulate and things he did that you should not and
00:44:43I think going back to my overarching point here is I think there might have been too much of a hands-off
00:44:49Approach to some of the
00:44:52you know implementation of how things but look my belief from the get-go Taylor has always been if I could
00:44:58If I could crack the code of like what happened with the with the quarterback situation. My belief was
00:45:05Gerard Mayo said a Alex van Pelt in UI trust figure this out. Okay, Brissett's gonna be our guy
00:45:11We're gonna slow play may understood organizational decision
00:45:14That's what we're on board with and then they did it and then around week three
00:45:18Mayo starts looking around he's like
00:45:20This may guy might be better like a lot better
00:45:24Should we maybe play him or have played him and they're like with dude?
00:45:28It's too friggin late now
00:45:29If that were the case
00:45:30You should have told us from week one
00:45:32To install the offense around him give him every single snap with the ones and build the preseason around him
00:45:37We can't put him in now. He's not ready. Okay, okay
00:45:40We'll kind of wait and see and that's I think a lot of the main thing when I think Mayo
00:45:43Tried to stick him in there late and he couldn't because he had ceded a lot of control over what was going on behind the
00:45:48Scenes. I know you're kind of getting ready to tell me like I disagree, but I'm telling you
00:45:55Huh, I just think it's such an annoying storyline because here's the thing I don't like speculating on things
00:46:00I don't know. We don't even I do I do
00:46:04I know but I'm saying like and I end up being right a little bit
00:46:08He's even acknowledged
00:46:09There were things that Drake wasn't as good at early in the season that he did get better at and we also heard there
00:46:14Okay, whatever
00:46:17Like I would rather have a productive conversation
00:46:20I don't think it's productive to speculate on what happened behind the scenes if we get more information and if like it and continue to
00:46:25Be a big thing, whatever
00:46:26Here the bottom line is the defense or the team should not have needed Drake made to win most of those games
00:46:32That's the bottom line for me is I think it's more egregious that the defense
00:46:36Played as poorly as it did at times the you know
00:46:39At times the plate calling like didn't lean on the run as much but obviously that's partially circumstance because of the game
00:46:43I'm not even gonna get into the Drake May thing. I really don't care you can be right
00:46:49Example of what I believe was a little bit of a you know
00:46:52Hands-off sort of type of approach that goes back to the to the beginning of how things were run here
00:46:58And I guess I have people who again
00:47:00Observationally were telling me people who are with the team and cover the team that maybe they're not gonna go out there and report it
00:47:05but there there was a little bit of a vibe of like
00:47:08Males just kind of like even early on. He's just kind of he's not involved in the defense. He's just kind of walking around and
00:47:15You guys good and then he'd kind of do that and there wasn't as much hands-on sort of stuff even in camp
00:47:21It's over the practices we saw at times there was but not like you would normally see it seemed more like he was like
00:47:27overseeing rather than directly involved with
00:47:31Implementation and a lot of other things
00:47:32So this is again a snapshot without without really really knowing of what it looked like
00:47:38That's what that's all I'm saying with the quarterback thing
00:47:40I did understand because I also wasn't too comfortable with the idea of a defensive coach in former linebacker
00:47:46Telling a guy who played quarterback and has actually been like working with and developing quarterbacks
00:47:51What to do like obviously if he decided like we need to put this kid in like I need to put my foot down because
00:47:56We're losing games and Jacoby's not even giving us a chance that was like yes
00:48:01If you are the head coach, that is where you need to put your foot down
00:48:03But when it comes to the defense, that's where like I was saying earlier. You should be very involved
00:48:08They listen to you
00:48:09Like you were the de facto like and everybody said that it was him and Steven that were the de facto defensive coordinators
00:48:15But Mayo was the one leading the meetings and obviously Mayo's the one that everyone knows is the former player the former perennial captain
00:48:22You know potential Patriots Hall of Fame like all that kind of stuff
00:48:25so I that part does bug me because again, I
00:48:29Struggled a insult coaching outside of just being like your team isn't playing. Well, you are the head coach
00:48:34You are always responsible for that
00:48:36Like yes
00:48:37the only reason I'm not more critical of Mayo is because I don't know where exactly his coaching is faltered and I don't want to
00:48:43See you're talking out of my ass when I don't actually know what I'm talking about
00:48:45But that insight that really people in the building are saying hey, he is being kind of hands-off and I mentioned earlier
00:48:51I wish that I had seen him like Belichick on the defensive like huddle being like what are we doing?
00:48:57Like this is what you need to do play better like fundamentals like we've seen bill do that all the time
00:49:02So that I will say with that information is something I need to see more for Mayo like yes
00:49:07Demarcus Covington is great
00:49:09I know he's well respected but it is your team and more importantly your
00:49:14Defense and they are playing subpar football week in and week out
00:49:19Like the coverage is usually fine
00:49:21The things that are bad about the coverage are compounded by the fact that the run game or the run defense sucks
00:49:26And as a linebacker
00:49:27Your team should never be bad at defending the run unless like obviously personnel is part of the issue
00:49:32But like you have too many players on this community as bad against the run as you are
00:49:35So yes, like with that bit of information
00:49:38That is where I think Mayo needs to get involved because I'm not making excuses for the guy
00:49:42I'm just not trying to say something when I don't know what I'm talking about. I
00:49:46Understand I am NOT I
00:49:51I'm not saying it definitively
00:49:53like I said is we're trying to make some observations about like what's happening and as I said is it's more of a I feel
00:49:59Like there's a lot on the back end and not as much as you'd like to see on the front end
00:50:03And really that's just speaking to preparation
00:50:05I think if they were doing a better job
00:50:07You would have a kind of cleaner product here and I'm not gonna get mad that like
00:50:12City so misses a block completely which led Drake Bay to but you know rushing a throw
00:50:18That led to a Kendrick Bourne in completion. What so Jalen Polk just tweeted like so I have it
00:50:26You want to see it? Yeah. Okay. I don't speak. I don't speak Gen Z
00:50:31But like this whole like peace out sort of thing does this mean what he's like quitting the team like I don't understand
00:50:39I don't know but Jalen Polk has been the most surprised
00:50:43I have ever been by a rookie in terms of like what I thought they were gonna be personality
00:50:49Well, I'm not I'm not saying he's a bad guy or anything
00:50:51But like he was touted as like a leader a future captain like one of the toughest dudes in the program
00:50:56I haven't seen any of that since like the first week that he got here when he was, you know
00:51:02Excited like lead the receiver lines like this is bizarre bizarre bizarre
00:51:07I don't know what that means
00:51:08But considering you just had a bad game
00:51:10You said that you didn't put you weren't playing poorly when you weren't playing poorly and now this like bro get off your phone
00:51:16Stop talking so much. I don't like people do but like bro, you're a rookie
00:51:20I'm it. I'm it putting in the max Letterman
00:51:24Style of lower third, which I support. I like it. I like it
00:51:28This is the type of shit that max would do on NBC when we gave him a little bit of a little bit of extra
00:51:34To operate yeah, look this is what he did the
00:51:39Zero catches drops
00:51:40I don't know if they go down as drops when a ball hits an NFL receiver and he puts two hands on it
00:51:45Those are drops. He dry and then he falls on the goal line as well. You could even say three drops on three targets
00:51:51So yeah
00:51:53Like yes, if the ball touches your hands, I don't really know. I will say this Taylor. I agree 100%
00:52:01poke
00:52:02Acts like
00:52:04he pokes behavior is
00:52:07resembles a
00:52:0832 year old
00:52:10formerly elite wide receiver whose skill set has left him and he can't come to grips with it anymore and he's
00:52:16Holding on to what he once was and continuing to act like it demanding the ball
00:52:21Bitching and moaning about things pretending things that are issues aren't issues
00:52:25That's what he acts like but he's a 22 year old 23 year old
00:52:29Who hasn't done a freaking thing in the NFL
00:52:33Depending on whether you're a next-gen guy or a PFF guy
00:52:36There are some people that rank him among the worst in the league in separation here
00:52:41So not only is he dropping that not getting open. He's dropping the ball. He's got all sorts of problems and again
00:52:46To go over what he said, you know this week which earlier after in the criticism of Gerard Mayo
00:52:52Saying he's got some mental issues and the drops are an issue to say
00:52:56He's got the best hands of the leagues and the thing that's obviously an issue isn't anymore
00:53:00And then the first friggin play of a game have the ball hit him first opportunity
00:53:05He has to make a play ball hits him in two both his hands and he drops it and then he did it again
00:53:12Just a brutal brutal day. And here's Mayo after the game kind of calling out poke again
00:53:21He'll be a good player in this league
00:53:26And I know everyone's like
00:53:28Get Jayvon Baker out there guys. Jayvon Baker. Is it healthy Scott in this week?
00:53:34It wasn't healthy scratch like this is a guy that's been a healthy scratch
00:53:37What do you think is happening behind the scenes with Baker? That's any different from poke
00:53:40It is so it blows my mind when people do this. I know it doesn't blow my mind
00:53:45I understand you get frustrated you want the shiny new toy
00:53:47But Jayvon Baker has like been documented to have been struggling in an even more compounded way
00:53:53Before the whole poke thing even started
00:53:55Why do people think that Baker is gonna be better when he struggled with drops and focus and not having trust from the quarterbacks and coaches
00:54:02Going all the way back to the summer. What are we doing here?
00:54:05I know why we want it, but like let's be realistic, please this I don't like that one the poor guy got a concussion
00:54:19There's more to it there's more to it but like
00:54:23To
00:54:28That's absolutely true, that's absolutely true and again like the Baker thing like I've seen like even in practices
00:54:35I'm not trying to be a jerk here
00:54:36But like the focus drops show up sometimes in practice when they're just going through drills
00:54:40I've seen him drop some stuff like, you know
00:54:42I think they're going through these these mental hurdles and you get that you know
00:54:46Rookie receivers in the NFL you need to have a lot of confidence to play this position
00:54:50Like remember Jamar chase the preseason where he couldn't catch a cold. Yeah, and then that's why I didn't draft him
00:54:56Ever he said he fell from a third rounder to a sixth rounder in the draft and then he caught everything. But yeah
00:55:02But like confidence in getting and like even um, Alex van Pelt said he thinks success is gonna be what gets poke out of this
00:55:09That's just the nature of especially being a young receiver in the league
00:55:12I just think neither one of these guys has much of a reason to be confident and then even case on booty like I think
00:55:17A big reason that he had this jump is because one didn't have the legal situation hanging over
00:55:21But finally had a coaching staff that pushed him and actually gave him a chance and believe
00:55:25No, I know but so here's where we're at now
00:55:28and this is where like you can you can you can you can blame the players and again, is it fair to
00:55:34Cast judgment on somebody and who they're going to be for their entire career because they had a rough start to it
00:55:40No, but you'd like to see something or see anything
00:55:45That shows you that there's more to come right and Polk has like what's the opposite of checking every box, right?
00:55:52Like it's really bad
00:55:54Which is such a far cry from what we saw in you there was reason to believe coming out of training camp that he'd be
00:56:01Wide receiver one on this team like in terms of in terms of volume of passes thrown his way overall production
00:56:07Pop Douglas might have been the most explosive playmaker on that team
00:56:11But because of him as we said playing mainly in three receiver sets and being a little guy and you know
00:56:16Not be you know, he didn't have the profile of the type of guy who's going to get fed non-stop
00:56:21Even though again, I think you kind of you got to figure out a way to do more because that you don't have a lot
00:56:26Elsewhere, that's a separate story
00:56:28Polk's been exactly the opposite and so you just said it earlier and this is what's gonna start people are impatient Taylor
00:56:34Like we can't people don't want to wait till year two and three to find out that Taekwon Thornton is Taekwon Thornton
00:56:40You kind of want to look at him and say he's
00:56:44Missed we missed because you know why you know, what's worse
00:56:47going into next year not than thinking you're okay at receiver because you drafted to last year and
00:56:52Addressing other parts of the ball and then going into Drake Mays third season as a pro without any friggin reliable out the pass catcher
00:57:01on the team and so
00:57:03Sometimes you don't have the benefit of time
00:57:05You've got to make some quick judgments
00:57:07If you're seven games into it if you have a receiving core, that's this uninspired we're talking about
00:57:13KJ Osborne K Sean Boutte who's a sixth round pick to Mario Douglas
00:57:18Again who are performing above their draft status in their slot and you go spend
00:57:24Prime draft capital on a second rounder and even a fourth rounder who might have slipped to the fourth
00:57:28But might have had a second or a third round great in terms of talent. They can't see the field on this team
00:57:34Bad bad bad sign, you know, like you would rather be able to run these guys out there and live with the warts
00:57:41They can't even do that because they're that right. You're doing it with Polk. I don't know for how much longer and
00:57:48Baker can't get on the friggin field Thornton's gone. He's gone. That's it's over. It is what it is
00:57:54It's it's over. It's been over. They tried again. We tried to buy it a little bit. He put on some muscle
00:58:00He started the season as their ex, you know
00:58:04gone, he's gone says
00:58:05so
00:58:07You can't even try the other guy
00:58:09That's bad. And you're you're not wrong. It probably is the right
00:58:14Move from a personnel standpoint, but it's bad. Like it's bad that that's the case
00:58:19I mean it is and I also don't want to play the game of like hindsight of Oh poke was a terrible second round pick
00:58:25We only know what we knew at the time. There were no reports like
00:58:29I
00:58:32Know nothing. I'm sorry. I I'm gonna contest that a little but go ahead. Yeah. Oh, well at the time
00:58:38I didn't really remember a whole lot of pushback from like evaluators
00:58:41most people were saying that he was someone that wasn't appreciated enough because he had the strong hands and one I do also
00:58:46Acknowledge the fact that his role in this offense is not what his role should be in an offense
00:58:51He's not an X. He's more of a Z, but he isn't playing that well
00:58:55So they've been making it's that what he was talking about. There's some stuff that you guys don't know. Oh,
00:59:00You said like limited he's been limited
00:59:02I think that's it like his route tree hasn't really been something that really suits his skill set
00:59:06But it's like well
00:59:07He's also not earning an opportunity to be that Z because he's on booty has been that guy
00:59:11Maybe switching them helps a little more but case on booties also 511
00:59:15He's actually shorter than Jalen Polk about a stick, but he's not as big
00:59:19So you're kind of just stuck with like you have to put your best players in the best position to succeed and they don't have
00:59:24An X in Jalen Polk is really the only other guy they can put out there
00:59:27Maybe they have to change that. I don't know but like I'm trying to look at the other receivers
00:59:32That were taken around the same time and honestly, let's see
00:59:36What did you want to push back against? Oh, I'm curious. Oh, it's not a push back as much as well
00:59:40What was the point at that point we were talking about? Oh, I'm sorry at the time of Polk
00:59:45Look, I think I always do think this
00:59:49There's not just one thing that you can do to be a great receiver
00:59:52I was a little bit worried about Polk and I'm not saying this to like, oh, whatever
00:59:57I was a little bit worried about a guy who's a second or third option on a college team going against a bunch of defensive
01:00:02backs that will never whiff the NFL and be and still being the
01:00:06Most alarming thing I found about Polk's numbers last year that was celebrated as a strength
01:00:11I actually viewed as a bit of a weakness, which is he led he led
01:00:14You know lead college football and contested catches
01:00:16Which I think is bad because the people he was contested by are not NFL caliber defense
01:00:23Throws though and I will tell you Michael Pettis jr. Is a big reason for that as well
01:00:26I'll take the weird remember how we were talking like, oh Drake may have somebody to help
01:00:30Because you kept seeing that in college. I know I'm saying is like
01:00:34He wasn't he was not a great separator and that is similarly to how I like my you know
01:00:39quarterbacks to have some mobility, which is why the Mac Jones pick I thought was
01:00:45Doomed to fail like yeah, you can you can if you're Greg Maddox
01:00:49You can throw an 86 mile an hour fastball, but you can't most humans can't you know
01:00:53If you're Tom Brady and you run a 5-4 40
01:00:55That's fine because you're Tom Brady and you're the best pocket manipulator with the greatest vision and the greatest brain in the history of sports
01:01:01That's a lot to ask for somebody unless you are those things your ceiling is a little low
01:01:07and so that's kind of the thing is
01:01:10Your ceiling is somewhat low if you're a guy who's a contested catch guy and can't really separate at the college level
01:01:16When you translate to the pros and it's gonna be extremely difficult to separate
01:01:20So now we've got and it'll be harder to make contested catches against these guys because they're also very physical and they're gonna help
01:01:26They're gonna go after the ball as well. So I always I didn't love that
01:01:30Because you really want playmakers not like more playmakers that can
01:01:36Stress like like they can stress the defense some I didn't know if he fit that profile
01:01:41He still could have ended up being Puka Nakua or someone like that
01:01:44You know who has who plays with a greater game speed than he does on film and he catches everything and he's a reliable target
01:01:51He isn't that second part and when you're not the first part also
01:01:55Yeah, it's easier to catch the ball when you're wide friggin open, but almost every ball today. There's there's people around him
01:02:00You know when he is at X again, I agree like that
01:02:04It's not the best place for him. But like I've done so many compilations on my Twitter this guy like he can get open
01:02:10It's not like he's got guys on his back all the time
01:02:13It's that when you are at that isolated receiver spot, you're usually going up against the other team's best corners
01:02:18That is not where Jalen Polk thrives
01:02:20If you do have him as that more number two option again, I've shown it like he can create separation
01:02:25It just feels like when he separates he either doesn't get the ball or he doesn't catch it
01:02:28And then in the other times again, he's not really put in the best position to succeed
01:02:32So like I don't think this was some horrible. I mean in retrospect
01:02:36I think maybe we can say that because based on this whole Instagram post like I don't know what's going on with him
01:02:42But in terms of skill set like he can't be a good player
01:02:45I think they just need to do more to at least help him out a little bit
01:02:47but also he's got to give them reason because if I'm gonna put you at a position where the point is for you to
01:02:53Block well and be aggressive at the point of attack and I'm seeing you get blown up
01:02:57I can't put you there
01:02:58Keishon booty's been the one who's actually putting that work in and making the tough blocks and you know
01:03:03Springing big plays not as much recently in the run game because that's just been bad period they can barely have quite a scrimmage
01:03:08But you know, it's a tough position because it's like poke play more and maybe you'll get more opportunities and roles that suit you better
01:03:15Yeah, because there's only so many mouths that there's only so many snaps to go around especially when you've also got kinder form back
01:03:21Yeah
01:03:21I want to I want to throw something in there because and again
01:03:24I think this is this is heartening for a couple of different reasons here. I don't have it to put it on the screen
01:03:31I'm just gonna read it to you here. Give me a second
01:03:35Where is it?
01:03:37Drake may you know, so
01:03:39Drake may after the game was asked about Polk and he said I have to get him in the game early
01:03:45I think that'll help him. He's a good player for us. We need him out there
01:03:48So it's kind of on me to get him going and then he goes on to say that Polk is always asking him to watch
01:03:52Film throw after practice always there. Maybe we got to do more. Whatever we're doing is not and
01:03:59Then he says we just got to do more. So two reasons. I like this one. It's it's it's good to see that
01:04:05That's happening, which is behind the scenes. There's a level of preparation
01:04:10Which is good to see and good to have you know may jump to his defense number two runs in such stark
01:04:17You're talking about May as a leader. That's fucking leadership right there
01:04:21honestly, like you're a rookie and
01:04:24You're taking everything on yourself
01:04:26Is how you're supposed to do it as the quarterback because it doesn't matter as you're if you're a rookie
01:04:30The quarterback is the leader and it runs in such stark contrast to like Aaron Rodgers last game
01:04:36Throwing friggin a fellow veteran under the bus with Mike Williams and the route
01:04:39he didn't run and the pick and all of those things and
01:04:43Then defending it on the Pat McAfee show
01:04:46You know after a couple of days to think over and say like I was hot. I shouldn't have said that
01:04:50I should just talk to Mike after so I like that for a lot of different reasons
01:04:55What's that who's surprised at Aaron Rodgers? No, I'm not surprised at all
01:04:59I as many as many good things I as few good things I have to say about Aaron Rodgers
01:05:03I have that many to say about me
01:05:05What's amazing is we're this far into the show and we have yet to actually assess Drake Mays performance
01:05:11Which is weird, right? So we have to talk about it those first two drives
01:05:16Like I was in love like, you know, you know meaning like I don't know
01:05:20That he could have looked any better there
01:05:23I'll throw that one throw to Bourne which hit him in the hands and should have been caught
01:05:27Tad rushed because I think pressure came that he wasn't expecting there
01:05:32I think that's what I think that was city. So there on that city so missed his punch on our just missed his block
01:05:37He missed he missed completely didn't block anything and that kind of
01:05:42Unexpectedly hurried him a tad so he put a ball maybe a tick in front of Bourne
01:05:47But I still think he should have caught that could have been a walk-in touchdown if it was on other than that near perfect
01:05:52Drive had one other throw that wasn't great and the first drive
01:05:54But the his command his presence his ability to kind of manipulate the pocket getting through reads and progressions
01:06:00The the touchdown throw to hasty which again questionable defensive alignment there with the Jags putting whoever they had on coverage there
01:06:08It was smart play call smart recognition and just a nice soft little flip when it came to an open receiver
01:06:14He made he never forced a ball. He never did. He always went to the right read made the smart play in those first two
01:06:20Drives, I thought yeah
01:06:22Okay, first two drives. I know it's that weird
01:06:26FaceTime camera thing. Hey, and I think it when they got behind and things got later
01:06:30He forced a ball or two in there, but he made some great decisions and some I mean amazing
01:06:37professional a
01:06:39professional throws
01:06:41There I'll say actually on the one to Polk along the sideline that he got he got he got his bell rung a little bit
01:06:47I think a little more velocity. That was a little Mac ish there
01:06:50I think I'd like to see Polk plant his feet and come back to the ball a little bit more strongly rather than continuing
01:06:54to drift
01:06:56You know, so there was and then he threw another soft one that could have been picked in the flat one time
01:07:00Which so he made obviously maybe three four throws you'd like to have back and a couple of decisions
01:07:05But that last touchdown drive that throw to Henry when he knows that the guy I mean
01:07:09What a professional football throw the defender the defenders heads not turned and he knows I can throw it right at that guy's head
01:07:15And just have hunter Henry go up and get it and then the follow-up throw on the next one
01:07:20I forget who that was true to boot a down the sideline
01:07:22He kind of one has just beautiful beautiful football and that's just stuff that you're like
01:07:26Oh, I remember what football looks like and he does those things. So not only is he flashing potential?
01:07:33He's actually doing enough to sustain that's a 94-yard touchdown drive man
01:07:38That's legitimate stuff to build on with a team that doesn't have a lot going for it
01:07:44You can nitpick and of course, there's gonna be mistakes. I think it's insane
01:07:48I saw somebody tweet out there like throws like that or why you got to be worried
01:07:52You know what? It's gonna be like playing me there
01:07:54I'm like, are you nuts like is there anything he's doing right now that doesn't lead you to believe that like this is a legit
01:08:00NFL quarterback who's playing well beyond expectation given
01:08:05The personal limitations around him and what we were led to believe
01:08:10About him coming in which is really raw
01:08:13Gonna make some mistakes going to be rushed going to be sped up. He's not he's not at all
01:08:19It's that's the most amazing thing Taylor. I'll take this every day
01:08:24I if you're gonna judge a quarterback by one thing, it's
01:08:27Not getting flustered
01:08:29Not not the game not going too fast not getting super sped up and being able to get through some of your progressions
01:08:35We've seen guys in year two
01:08:37Look like all-stars on some plays but unable to get off their first read and the second they don't see it
01:08:43They just get happy feet and they break the pocket. He's not doing that at all
01:08:46In fact, I'd like to see him leave the pocket a little bit more
01:08:49I think he's staying in there sometimes too much. I think he could step up in it
01:08:52I think he could even recognize that he could go and use his legs more than he's doing it now. I
01:08:58can't possibly be
01:09:00More like over the moon with the first couple of starts relative to the bumpy road. I thought he'd be facing
01:09:08As he entered as he entered here. I didn't expect this
01:09:11It's been the full Drake may experience for me honestly, like it's about what I was expecting
01:09:15I was like, okay if they get him on and at least the footwork is like kind of cleaned up or something and it's a little
01:09:21Consistent blah blah blah get him up to NFL speed
01:09:23I figured it was gonna be that where you see the inconsistent accuracy
01:09:27Past two games that's shown up and like because you have the Wow throws
01:09:31It's like what a lot of his college coaches said it's like, okay if he misses like a third of the flat
01:09:35He's also gonna be making throws that other quarterbacks can't make point-blank period
01:09:38So a lot of the Drake may experience is kind of forgetting some of the bad throws
01:09:43Unless like obviously if he calls you the game, maybe that'll happen
01:09:46But Drake was one of the only reasons they were competitive in the game
01:09:49Like you said the throw that he made where he saw the linebackers back turn
01:09:53Those are throws that we weren't even seeing Jacoby or Matt Jones or Bailey's app even attempt and then the touchdown on that drive
01:10:00That was my favorite because he knew that Hunter Henry was influencing that middle linebacker
01:10:05Over him. I was like, oh I have like I still have full-body chills like
01:10:11You want to see from this kick?
01:10:13I will gamble on him being better with you know
01:10:15Sometimes he does do the superhero thing where it's it's not even like a Josh Allen decision where you're like
01:10:20I don't even know what you were thinking. It's more like I don't do that, you know
01:10:24But he doesn't usually compound those mistakes the accuracy some of the decision-making does need to improve
01:10:30But for the most part like you saw he gives them life on third down
01:10:34I don't just feel like it's an automatic loss in those situations because you saw the beginning of the game
01:10:39They couldn't stop him on the money downs
01:10:40And that's where you know, would you Kobe percent so often you're like, oh, they're backed up. We have no shots
01:10:46So, uh, yeah, I mean Drake was awesome. It just he didn't really play a whole lot after those first couple drives
01:10:53So I know
01:10:55It felt incomplete right because that where we where we were headed and where we ended up
01:11:00Feels incomplete because at the end of the day you kind of look at it and you're like
01:11:05I I guess it feels kind of underwhelming because it was headed towards a place
01:11:10That you thought it would be better, but they got beat up on the time of possession game
01:11:14I think you know as I said that second quarter where things got away from them and they they had a couple of the
01:11:19You know those wasted drives and then Jacksonville scored on consecutive, you know
01:11:23Drives there and then they just rammed it down their throat and held on to the ball at that point
01:11:28You're down. You couldn't run anymore. The offense became predictable. You're losing people
01:11:33You lost both Douglas and then later in the game you lost Polk
01:11:36There just wasn't really much to go with there
01:11:38And they still put together a drive late in the game to be able to score there
01:11:44so I thought that that was again encouraging but you're right it almost kind of like you took like two periods off where you're like
01:11:50I didn't even get to see Drake. So you wanted to see more
01:11:54I wanted to see more and that's why I say these expressions frighten me a little sorry
01:11:58No, just also I'm thinking about you know, I can't I literally my my face says what my brain is thinking
01:12:03But it's also pretty weird that Antonio
01:12:06Play, yeah, I know faced out hasty out snapped him
01:12:11Yeah, I know it looks like it banged up early on but like he played a snap in the third quarter
01:12:16I think he was back there for returns. I'm pretty sure let me just double-check
01:12:20But yeah
01:12:21That was another weird one because this was a game where I thought that he could actually have a pretty significant role
01:12:25I guess I guess he we didn't have any returns
01:12:28Yeah, maybe he was banged up. I'm not sure. I thought he could have a pretty significant role
01:12:32But yeah, I'm sorry. That was just one that popped up in my head
01:12:34but you said it it feels incomplete because when I thought they'd go downfield more often, but also I'm I feel like I'm gonna look
01:12:40Back and be like, oh they really couldn't because they had so many three and outs
01:12:44Like basically they scored the touchdown
01:12:45I think the only first down they had before their touchdown drive after that came on a penalty everything else was three now
01:12:52so
01:12:54Just it just
01:12:56Yeah, I can't wait to look at this just so I can have a better idea of exactly what happened
01:13:02But also I know that it's just gonna be a slog
01:13:04Watching this back later. Yeah, there's no doubt about it
01:13:07And it was interesting just in terms of the personnel there, you know in terms of total snaps
01:13:11I think Gibson had eight or nine in the first half
01:13:13He finished with ten to Michael hasty out snapped him with 20 Ramond Ray Stevenson played 30 snaps there
01:13:20And just in terms of opportunity
01:13:22Hasty had five five targets two carries Gibson all game long one target three carries
01:13:28Ramond Ray not heavily involved as well because again the run game which is supposed to be a strength of this team
01:13:33Was nowhere to be found and which is why again I say in terms of the conservative pray play calling
01:13:38I do believe that the only path to victory or success today was to
01:13:42get put the ball in Drake's hands and live with the good and live with the bad and let it kind of go and they
01:13:46went away from it and
01:13:47And for two quarters, it's almost like the Patriots didn't touch the ball and that's that's what killed you and also
01:13:53I'm looking back just to see because I think the reason it kind of didn't show up or Antonio Gibson
01:13:58I don't think the Patriots ever even acknowledged that he was hurt
01:14:01I'm looking back. They never had a report on and I think they didn't they keep him in on kick returns
01:14:06It was him and hasty. I feel like every time
01:14:10Yeah, so I'm sorry I just I was hasty
01:14:14Yeah, so that's bothered me. I don't understand why he was a kick returner still
01:14:18They never acknowledged that he was injured from the team account because all the other injuries usually they'll say so-and-so is questionable to return
01:14:25Whatever. I maybe they were being very cautious
01:14:28I don't know that just felt like a weird part of the game plan
01:14:31Not that obviously it mattered because the run game couldn't get anything going in the past couple
01:14:36Couple updates couple updates from the locker room Jelani to buy on Drake may I'm sorry Gerard Mayo's
01:14:42soft comments
01:14:43We got to look at the mirror understand what he's saying
01:14:46And if we're okay with being soft and some people will fall off and the rest of us want to prove that's wrong
01:14:51Step up and make sure that that doesn't happen
01:14:53Drake may also addressed it and he said coach Mayo's not gonna come in here and say something
01:14:57He hasn't said to us in the locker room. I think we're not tough
01:15:02Is that right? Yeah, I think we're not tough and he always preaches being tough the guys know we've got a man up
01:15:07You're being called out by a you know, 22 year old
01:15:10Rookie in his second game who's doubling down on the tough thing. I used to joke about this regarding the Celtics
01:15:16not great in their days where
01:15:19pre-championship days
01:15:21Where there was a lot of you know, I you know, maybe even the last year of Brad Stevens. There was a lot of we
01:15:27Okay, there's only 12 guys on the team, but eight guys would say we and no one would say I you know
01:15:32It was almost like, you know, the spider-man meme, you know, like
01:15:36We've got to be better and they don't mean we they mean everybody else
01:15:40But if everybody's saying we then nobody's thinking it's them and that the we bothers me a little I always like people to start with
01:15:48I you know
01:15:49And you know and Hunter Henry took charge with the dumb mistakes and the penalties the second quarter
01:15:54He's like I made a huge mistake on a false start and I got to put that on me. I like the internal stuff
01:16:00To start with and again, this is just shit that they say to the media and it's not always
01:16:05Well thought out it's right after a game. Their blood is still up
01:16:08I give them a lot of leeway on exactly how things are worded. But generally speaking, I think you do
01:16:13the
01:16:15It's I got to be better and I'm sure everyone else feels the same
01:16:18That's how I want to hear it
01:16:19I hate the we because we kind of means I I'm saying we but I don't mean me and I
01:16:25Don't I don't like hearing that as much that's just that's my take and
01:16:28They always say to look in the mirror thing because I know that's one of like Gerard Mayo's mottos
01:16:33Offensively, I honestly do feel like they usually acknowledge when they specifically make a mistake like Hunter Henry
01:16:38Usually does a good job of that. Like Drake does a good job of that Kobe
01:16:42Mostly did he kind of you gotta got some more?
01:16:45I think he got sick of defending himself because he knew he was in a shitty situation
01:16:48But the defense the only Georgia Colby Portia Colby
01:16:52Every single thing about how the media had handled him and the questioning and the his entire
01:16:59Existence here was bad. It was a tough spot for him
01:17:03absolved I agree
01:17:04So like your Kobe kind of gets a pass the only other person I really give a pass to for doing the like yes
01:17:08The mirror but also we need to be better is Godshaw because again
01:17:11I need to look at this tape specifically, but he's been one of the best run defenders in the NFL
01:17:15So like yeah
01:17:16You can be pissed off if you're doing your job eating double teams making stops and then everybody around you is failing
01:17:22The one person who I'm kind of getting sick of oh my god, and I really I don't want to like be mr
01:17:28Yeah
01:17:30I'm kind of sick of hearing Jelani to buy
01:17:32Say the we stuff and he does say I need to look in the mirror
01:17:35But it's like bro
01:17:36You have not been you've been one of the guys who's getting picked on on this defense and I understand she's been put in some
01:17:42Difficult positions as well
01:17:44Juan Bentley's Batman but like dude
01:17:47Can you maybe acknowledge that like there were times where you were flying out of your gaps or teams are throwing the ball on you
01:17:52And you're giving up conversions like I don't really I'm kind of getting sick of hearing that from him specifically because every week
01:17:57I'm looking at it and being like dude, like you're not playing particularly. He's not playing like terribly
01:18:02He is making plays as well
01:18:04So it's not like he it's just like, you know
01:18:06lightning rod for criticism that he should be we're like break one McMillan a little closer to that middle edge where it's like no
01:18:11They're big plays and they're coming right at you
01:18:13But like I'm definitely kind of getting sick of the Tavai like oh, yeah, we need to play better
01:18:18We are just like bro. Talk about yourself because you're in the heart of the defense and you're getting you just got run on
01:18:26Yeah, and I think that that's you know, that's that's part of the thing so again, you know, I guess to close
01:18:34It's hard to know
01:18:36No, I know. I know I took close
01:18:40This was a tough one, right?
01:18:42and that's why there's a little bit of a venting ranting sort of thing going on because where it at where it big it's that
01:18:47whole where where it started where things ended sort of you know thing, but
01:18:51That's where we're at. It it
01:18:54it's
01:18:55Perplexing and you don't really know what it is or why and everyone wants to kind of settle in on it
01:19:00But I think in the simplest terms as I book, you know
01:19:03I believe that putting in May at quarterback would elevate some people around him
01:19:09And that's his job. I also believe like in order to elevate the play of the people around you
01:19:14I think a lot is gonna fall on the coaching which is why you're gonna point the finger there too, which is a hey
01:19:20This is the ingredients we have make make a meal that's palatable, you know, like do the best that you can here, right?
01:19:25That's that's it. It's like I don't expect five-star stuff here
01:19:29But you got to find a way to go back to Cincinnati week one professional football have to find a way to go
01:19:35And like I understand that it's not always gonna be linear
01:19:38I understand that some parts of the team aren't going to be vulnerable but like getting blown out every week is never acceptable
01:19:44So at some point like I need to see certain players getting better maybe the scheme starts like I don't know what it is
01:19:50I feel like there's little signs of growth and then it's just something else. That's so catastrophically bad. It undercuts the progress
01:19:56They're making so like stop beating yourselves
01:20:00Minimize these negative plays that are just costing you these games. I'm just like let's see some professional football again
01:20:06I understand they're not gonna be perfect. I just want to see some
01:20:09Consistency or something that was it just grow and that's the thing is you if you look at the two things we
01:20:17celebrated
01:20:18at all from this team this season, it's
01:20:22recently Drake may surprisingly competent play for someone coming in to the situation that he's involved in and
01:20:29How ready the team looked to play in week one against Cincinnati and again coach quarterback it begins there and it filters down to everybody
01:20:36else I think that's where it's got to go
01:20:38So I think you know in terms of the looking in the mirror Mayo and the coaching staff probably has to do a little
01:20:42Bit as well and figure out how to avoid
01:20:44Looking like this instead of just saying we got to be better and we are soft
01:20:50Make them not be you know, like to do the thing
01:20:54And that's it
01:20:57It's like I know a Belichick's draft strategies
01:21:00It's like if you want to be a tough team draft tough players, you know, like it literally is a mentality
01:21:05It's what you are or you're not and I know they're trying to go through that process of weeding out the guys who aren't
01:21:09But like I don't know man
01:21:10I think I don't want to think about faster because that sounds like I'm kind of just being dismissive like something's not doing it. So
01:21:17Yeah, and that's it. And so it can't go on much longer
01:21:20But I also now no longer see a way out and that's I guess the most depressing places
01:21:27in the
01:21:28You know what? The funniest thing to me Taylor was
01:21:31You know
01:21:32If I was a Jags fan, I would be sending every single first-quarter tweet from Patriots fans
01:21:38Over to freezing cold takes, you know, I tweeted out after they got the it was like it was like really
01:21:45I think it was the last penalty they got before they started just killing the bats and I was like, oh man the Jags
01:21:50I knew the Jags. I know you know is that bad? I was like
01:21:55The overall tone of all tweets
01:21:58Where I was starting to get annoyed because I'm like guys
01:22:02Shitting on the Jags right now is taking away credit from what we're seeing here, which is Drake may look like a phenomenal quarterback
01:22:09So like don't lessen what's going on here by crapping on the Jags
01:22:13And that's what was the tone of it was Patriots fans. Not only were confident
01:22:16They were pitying the other team and oh my god did that age poorly
01:22:21Penalties that the Jags were getting early on that wasn't the Patriots are doing well
01:22:25It was like
01:22:27Pounding it I was like jeez guys and then the Patriots were like hold my beer or whatever. They drink in London tea. Oh
01:22:35My god, they drink a lot of beer ale, but yes, they do
01:22:42Give me a couple hours
01:22:44Everything about it was funny. So, uh, so that's it. So we're good. You know, thank you guys for hanging
01:22:50I know, you know, we're well into that one o'clock window. So go check out your favorite teams
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01:23:38I hate saying this because I am a you know lose for the draft pick sort of guy
01:23:43Only because only because I think it's actually super important
01:23:47That the Patriots I did it again, I think it's the wind horse I
01:23:53Think it's super important for the Patriots to get a very high pick to be able to trade it down
01:23:57So they can address multiple needs
01:24:00And that's I think that's really important because premium positions like offensive tackle and and stud outside wide receiver
01:24:06Really all can only be gotten in the early part, you know early to mid part of the first round not exclusively
01:24:12But that's where you're finding your guys if you want to address those positions
01:24:15That's the place you want to do it
01:24:16But I really want them to beat Aaron Rodgers in the Jets next week
01:24:19And I think that's gonna be a fun game
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01:24:44Pretty depressing game 32 to 16 to the Jacksonville Jaguars everything started out and looked great
01:24:49And then it just went kaput from there looked bad in all three faces
01:24:55That 10-0 start and we're back to the drawing board sadly. So Taylor Kyle's gonna kind of take a look at things
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01:25:15And they'll really get granular with what went down in this lost Patriots now fall to one and six
01:25:20And I guess if this makes you feel better, I'll let you feel better. Here's the tank a thon ads the odds. Oh my goodness
01:25:29Look at what's going on
01:25:32I'm so excited. Anyway, take care everybody. Thanks a lot for watching
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