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00:00:30All right, what's going on, guys?
00:00:40Thank you for waiting around.
00:00:41Taylor Kyle's in Tennessee, just out of the Patriots' locker room.
00:00:44Jon Zanis here, and we just witnessed the Patriots falling to 2-7 with a 20-17 overtime
00:00:50loss to the Tennessee Titans, and there's a ton to unpack from this game, and almost
00:00:56all of it revolves around Drake May.
00:00:59And I'm sure there will be differing opinions on May's performance.
00:01:04Did he play well?
00:01:05Did he make too many mistakes?
00:01:07Are there rookie mistakes?
00:01:08Are these fixable ones?
00:01:10What was the reasoning behind them, and what the people's primary takeaway is?
00:01:15I'm going to tell you right out of the gate, and maybe this is more emotional than it is
00:01:19analytical, but I don't necessarily think so.
00:01:23If you're a Patriots fan, I don't know how you're anything but encouraged after watching
00:01:26this today, only because yes, Drake May made mistakes, and yes, Drake May made the mistake
00:01:32that ultimately cost him the game, and yes, Drake May turned the ball over three times.
00:01:36But not all turnovers are created equal in terms of what's causing them, why you're doing
00:01:42them, and what it has to say about what type of player you currently are and what type
00:01:45of player you'll become.
00:01:47And I think if you're watching Drake May today, you have to be generally enthusiastic about
00:01:52it, even though both picks were horrible, and certainly not something that you want
00:01:57any quarterback making, you know, and he's making these on a regular basis two years
00:02:01from now.
00:02:02Yeah, you can start saying this is a recurring issue.
00:02:06But as far as today goes, I'm walking away from this as a Patriots fan feeling sunny
00:02:11and positive.
00:02:12I don't know if that surprises you, that that's my takeaway here, Taylor, you generally being
00:02:18the sunny and positive guy, but that's kind of my vibe.
00:02:21So again, May makes the last second play, you know, holding the ball for 12 seconds
00:02:25to you know, tie the game at the end of regulation, and then throws a game ceiling pick in overtime
00:02:33with the Patriots down three on first and 10, clearly an ill-advised throw both in terms
00:02:38of the throw itself and the situation that they were in.
00:02:41But he did it, they lost and I will turn it over to you, Taylor, Kyle's your kind of,
00:02:45you know, first takeaways on the whole Drake May experience today.
00:02:49Yeah, I mean, Drake May is the story when we were talking to the players, everyone was
00:02:53raving about the guy, Ramon ended his press conference, like, yeah, no, I love that dude.
00:02:58Devon Godshaw called him Josh Allen 2.0 alluded to the fact that Drake's the kind of guy that
00:03:03will probably who will probably attract players in the future, which obviously is the biggest
00:03:07goal for the end of the season is to become a destination where Drake May plays well enough
00:03:11that players are like, you know what, if I go to this team, I can make them good enough
00:03:15that they'll actually be contenders and I want to play with that guy, Hunter Henry raved
00:03:19about him.
00:03:20So that really is it.
00:03:21And obviously, you know, they're not even in the game, if it's not for Drake May, obviously
00:03:25the turnovers are what ultimately cost them.
00:03:27But he had to quite clearly put the team on his back, led them in rushing for what really
00:03:33realistically probably would have been the fourth game in a row if he hadn't left last
00:03:36week with concussion, but three of his four games as a starter, he was the leading rusher.
00:03:42Drag Mayo kind of alluded to the lack of a run game and I know people want to nitpick
00:03:47the play calling for the Patriots and honestly, before halftime, I get it because while there
00:03:51have been some times where the execution wasn't really great, at the end of the half, I understood
00:03:55them wanting to be aggressive.
00:03:56It was just kind of a philosophical disagreement.
00:04:00That in the half was like, I don't even know what you're doing.
00:04:02It's 31 you're letting the clock wind down and you just try to run the ball from an under
00:04:06center heavy grouping like things like that.
00:04:08But again, the lack of a run game made this a tough game to call because Drake may had
00:04:13to do pretty much everything.
00:04:14Now, the fact that he did show the ability to do those things was what was the most encouraging
00:04:18thing.
00:04:19And again, where I think Patriots fans should take away, but it is also discouraging that
00:04:23we keep talking about, right?
00:04:24The team has to improve.
00:04:25No, you want to show toughness, get better every week.
00:04:28And yeah, Drake playing well, you know, in those first was awesome, but it's upsetting
00:04:32that it feels like the run game and the run defense specifically just continue to be non-existent.
00:04:39So Drake may great performance, like also, and I know Pat Blaine brought this up on his
00:04:45post game show, but I don't understand why they decided to go into the wind.
00:04:50Drake may alluded to the fact that that contributed to the under throw on the last play where
00:04:55like, I don't think it might've been a touchdown.
00:04:57So that was kind of funky.
00:04:58Definitely some coaching things I didn't really agree with.
00:05:01But again, even though it's a loss, I know fans are going to be pissed, but Drake may
00:05:05give you something to be excited about.
00:05:06That's my naked eye opinion on the throw.
00:05:10You ever, you ever like, you know, when you were, you know, you're, you're still a kid,
00:05:14but you know what I mean?
00:05:15When you're like playing with your buddies and see who can throw it farther and you try
00:05:17to get underneath one and you just short arm it or there's you, you, you mess up, you don't
00:05:22get enough trajectory on it.
00:05:24It comes 20 yards short of where your normal best throw would go.
00:05:27You just kind of missed the throw.
00:05:28I actually thought he just actually just didn't get like, I think if he puts it 15 yards ahead
00:05:35of him, the safety is not coming into play there or 10 yards in front of a booty.
00:05:39So I think he thought I got him.
00:05:41I just got to put it there and I'm going to get over.
00:05:45And if he outruns him in the last five yards, we're that's six and that's ball game.
00:05:50We're going home.
00:05:51And it just came up short.
00:05:52You mentioned the wind.
00:05:53That's kind of interesting.
00:05:54I feel like that throw was a solid 10 yards short of where Drake may thought it was going
00:05:58to end up when it came back down.
00:06:00So it looked like, Oh geez, he just threw a frigging, you know, he just punted it to
00:06:04a safety, but I feel like it might not have been a horrible decision as much as it was
00:06:10a horrible throw.
00:06:11Yeah.
00:06:12Like I went back and watched the play and I first, when I was watching it a lot, I thought
00:06:16the safety kind of last minute and figured that Drake didn't see him either, but looking
00:06:20at it, I was like, Oh, he might actually throw a touchdown here because I'm thinking like
00:06:23the 50 yard bomb in his first start where he does put the ball under in case Sean just
00:06:28asked to run under it and make the grab.
00:06:30But obviously, yeah, again, he did acknowledge the wind.
00:06:33So I think that had to factor in because he's not the kind of guy who makes mistakes and
00:06:36that leads me to believe like, yeah, that was something he was thinking about.
00:06:40And that's the thing.
00:06:41And so when we are going to kind of thin slice and parse through all of Drake May's performance,
00:06:44I think that's an important distinction there.
00:06:46So I'm going to, I want to talk about that, but here is May, I believe on the last play.
00:06:50We had probably guys were fighting.
00:06:52I think that's the biggest thing.
00:06:53This point in the loss, I made some bad decisions, but that one at the end there, we got a chance
00:06:59to go down there and at least tie it up around 40 and I think it was first down.
00:07:04So just got to be better.
00:07:05I think some decisions that I made throughout the game that would have impacted the outcome
00:07:09and I'll take that upon myself, those guys battled up front, especially those guys up
00:07:14front.
00:07:15The receivers were battling.
00:07:16I think I was just glad we found a way there at the end of the fourth and it just came
00:07:21up short.
00:07:22So you got to go back and learn from it.
00:07:24And especially me, I got to take these and take advantage of these reps that I'm getting
00:07:28and win the game and I got to play better.
00:07:30Did you guys sort of walk through that touchdown, that final touchdown there?
00:07:33Yeah.
00:07:34They're just on the five.
00:07:36They drop out the guys on the five and you got a chance to tie it up, so I'm doing whatever
00:07:42I can.
00:07:43I think they zoned it off and they're doubling the inside guys and we had a bunch of concept
00:07:47and had back line and I think Hunter ended up getting run out of bounds and just trying
00:07:50to keep the play alive, make a play.
00:07:53Andre, good for running back out there to kind of play like a receiver and make a good
00:07:56play, but it ended up coming up short.
00:07:59So that play, it really doesn't matter at this point.
00:08:02I thought him acknowledging Hunter Henry getting run out of bounds was really impressive that
00:08:06he had the awareness because literally, if he throws to Hunter Henry, it's a penalty
00:08:10and the game is pretty much over.
00:08:12So that was just real quick.
00:08:13That was something I thought was really impressive.
00:08:14He was like, okay, one of my options isn't even here anymore.
00:08:17I need to go back and see it, but Hunter Henry being the veteran, he has probably made it
00:08:21clear like, don't throw to me, but I thought that was pretty impressive.
00:08:26That's the thing.
00:08:27So I guess kind of breaking through it and we're going to play some sound from the Patriots
00:08:31as well, like on May, because they were gushing and that stuff matters because the reality
00:08:39is both Patriots wins are with Jacoby under center and Jacoby is a guy who has a lot of
00:08:45respect in that locker room and it wouldn't be crazy for the team to be like, you know,
00:08:50we did him dirty.
00:08:52You know, makes going to be the guy event.
00:08:53May is going to be the guy eventually.
00:08:54But they're not there.
00:08:55They're, they're, they're pretty honest about it.
00:08:57They know Jacoby was a fighter, but I think they see what, what, you know, a lot of us
00:09:02see, of course they see it.
00:09:04They're professional football players.
00:09:05They see them every day, but I think they believe, you know, and so, and that's the
00:09:09thing.
00:09:10And again, you're much better suited to, you know, discuss some of this stuff in a really
00:09:13granular way.
00:09:14But my general takeaways on the performance was while we're going to sit here and say
00:09:19these two will advise decisions, rookie mistake, we're going to say, look, the professional
00:09:22quarterbacks.
00:09:23Don't see the guy.
00:09:24Don't see the, the, the, the robbery.
00:09:25Don't see the guy underneath sometimes.
00:09:27And that happens.
00:09:28And he just didn't see him just literally.
00:09:30Sometimes you fail to see a human really good drivers.
00:09:33Sometimes don't see something in a blind spot and ah, shit, I didn't see it.
00:09:36You know, I see it 99 out of a hundred.
00:09:39I just didn't see him that time.
00:09:41He knew it.
00:09:42The second he threw it, he almost went, he got into a defensive position to chase the
00:09:45guy down.
00:09:46He's a guy.
00:09:47I just threw a pick, knew it.
00:09:48That's something that happens in football.
00:09:49The last throw we talked about, I actually wonder whether the decision was as bad as
00:09:53it necessarily was and whether it was either wind or he just short armed a ball where he
00:09:57thought he could get six there.
00:09:58And sure.
00:09:59Yeah.
00:10:00He got flushed out and maybe you want to hold onto the ball, you know, a little bit better
00:10:02and strip sec.
00:10:03But again, that's a pretty normal football play that I don't believe is experience based.
00:10:08That's just something that happens to you sometimes, which is yes, on this play, I have
00:10:12to do a better job protecting it.
00:10:14The thing that you're worried about with a rookie quarterback is, are all of his mistakes
00:10:18a result of him freaking out, right?
00:10:21Like I, it's going too fast.
00:10:24Oh, back foot throw the Mac Jones late stage interceptions were, this is too freaking fast.
00:10:31I don't like it.
00:10:32Get me out of here.
00:10:33Back foot, throw a balloon.
00:10:35It can be picked off by 12 different people.
00:10:37Like he's not doing that.
00:10:38In fact, he's actually doing a terrific job when he does throw into traffic.
00:10:42It's almost always when it, when the defenders got his back to the ball and he can throw
00:10:46a jump ball to one of his receivers where they know they'll get it, or he's throwing
00:10:50it into really tight windows where only his receiver can make a play or he's choosing
00:10:54not to throw it at all because he's like, it's not there.
00:10:56So I would bet when you go back and look at the film, you're going to say smart.
00:11:01I bet you, you can track smart, not to throw it, not to throw it, not to throw it, not
00:11:04to throw it.
00:11:05And sure.
00:11:06There'll probably be a couple where, Oh, second earlier, if he gets that, but this is all
00:11:09within the normal realm of football.
00:11:11I think we're a little nuts with like having watched Tom Brady for 20 years playing at
00:11:15near perfection and then seeing someone like CJ Stroud or whatever come out in year one
00:11:20and like, look like a 10 year season vet.
00:11:23A lot of this stuff is normal football stuff.
00:11:24It's not like the game is too fast rookie shit that people thought were the things that
00:11:29were going to plague Drake Mays, you know, develop career and development this early
00:11:33on.
00:11:34It's completely the opposite.
00:11:35I think Van Pelt had a quote before the game, which is like, he's miles ahead essentially
00:11:39of where we thought.
00:11:40His progression and his ability to get through everything.
00:11:44So you see it all the time.
00:11:45And how many times is he not only able to get through his progressions, then realize
00:11:49I got to kind of get moving now, if I'm going to be able to make something and little subtle
00:11:53things move into his left to dump off to Ramond Ray on one player.
00:11:56I remember on a second down after having made that really nice play where he rolled out
00:12:00and he hit booty booty on the comeback there, that was in a really tight window.
00:12:05He makes a lot of those.
00:12:06Like you could argue like they're one side who could argue Drake may lost the game for
00:12:10you.
00:12:11And then another side, another side could argue that the Patriots wouldn't have gained
00:12:13a single yard of offense if Drake may, wasn't their quarterback.
00:12:16And I think that's what we saw today.
00:12:18The numbers will say three turnovers, only 200 passing yards.
00:12:22But the reality is he did all of this himself.
00:12:25Like he'd everything there was done simply because Drake may has the abilities that he
00:12:29has.
00:12:30That was how I felt going into the game.
00:12:32I was, you know, I was, as I was on NBC, all right, do you lose all the goodwill that you
00:12:36gain if you lose to the Titans?
00:12:39I'm like, kind of depends on who's a quarterback and how the game goes, to be honest, because
00:12:43if it was Jacoby, I was like, I really don't know how I'm going to score points.
00:12:46I just, it's not a knock on Jacoby.
00:12:48It's just as we saw, it's a really, really good defense and Kenbert born.
00:12:51I don't know if we have the actual clip, but he even said himself, similar to Alex Van
00:12:55Houten.
00:12:56Like Drake is doing things you don't really see rookies do very often in the way they
00:13:00had his back.
00:13:01Like they know they've got a real dog.
00:13:03And then even like the flip side, he was literally trying to do the same thing that he had done
00:13:09earlier on that flip while he was getting sacked.
00:13:10You see that in college.
00:13:11And it's one of those things where sometimes, you know, you try to make a play and it works,
00:13:16but then you get the opposite sometimes and you try to put the ball out and you don't
00:13:19realize that there's somebody right behind you and the ball gets knocked out.
00:13:22So, and then in these situations, I didn't really, I felt much better about him going
00:13:27down the field and scoring in those clutch moments than I felt in years from a Patriots
00:13:32quarterback.
00:13:33Not since Tom Brady have I said, you know what?
00:13:36I think they're going to score.
00:13:37I feel very confident about this with Rosette, with Mac, with Bailey Zappi, it was always
00:13:42like, Oh my God.
00:13:43All right.
00:13:44This is going to suck.
00:13:45Just embrace it.
00:13:46And, you know, Woosa, Woosa, just got to calm down and embrace the darkness, you know, to
00:13:51quote one lunatic.
00:13:52But, uh, yeah, I mean, Drake may, I think that's the one thing that you really kind
00:13:57of hold on to when you're like, okay, we'll be all right.
00:14:00This season may be tough.
00:14:01I'm sure this is not going to be the last tough loss the Patriots have, but at least
00:14:05you know that your quarterback is a guy that not only gives you confidence, but gives the
00:14:09team confidence because how often did we hear with Tom Brady?
00:14:13Once he went to Tampa Bay, everyone's like with Tom Brady, it just changes your mentality
00:14:17because you actually feel, don't even feel, you know, that you are going to go into every
00:14:22game with a chance to win no matter what the circumstances, nothing in that does affect
00:14:26the entire team.
00:14:27Cause it makes you play harder.
00:14:28You actually have faith.
00:14:29Like I know people think momentum is the thing in sports.
00:14:32It absolutely is.
00:14:33These are human beings who want to have some level of confidence and you can hear throughout
00:14:37that locker room.
00:14:38Like, yeah, it was pin drop quiet in there.
00:14:40Like obviously nobody was happy.
00:14:42It was kind of downtrodden, but as soon as anybody brought up Drake may, people were
00:14:46lightened up and clearly know.
00:14:49Let's play some of it.
00:14:50Here's a couple of people I think born for sure.
00:14:52And maybe Mayo here talking about me out there trying to make a play.
00:14:55He's trying to make a play.
00:14:56And I think sometimes as well as he has played, sometimes we forget how young he is and he's
00:15:01going to continue to develop and he'll be a good quarterback in this league.
00:15:04And look, we'll all learn from this myself included.
00:15:06Yeah, we got to just build.
00:15:07We have to build.
00:15:08He, he gives us, he gives us a lot of potential to grow in.
00:15:13I think that's, what's the greatest thing about Drake.
00:15:16He's doing things that you don't really see at a young age.
00:15:19So I'm, I'm very excited and you know, I want to be better for him.
00:15:22I think everybody understands in our, in our offensive room that we have something in him
00:15:27that can make everybody better.
00:15:29You know, he, like I talked about, he has the aura to him.
00:15:33You just know that he's going to go out there and do his thing.
00:15:35He's going to play.
00:15:36He's not scared.
00:15:37And that's somebody you want to follow.
00:15:40That's Drake.
00:15:41I mean, we, we, nobody was surprised, honestly, that's Drake does stuff like that all the
00:15:46time.
00:15:47I mean, he, he, he fought and did all he could.
00:15:51So I mean, proud of him, happy for him.
00:15:55I know he, he's hurting, we're all hurting.
00:15:59But it's nice to, to, you know, see it and know he's hurting that, but he's so hungry
00:16:03to, you know, get back to, get back to Foxborough, get, get to work and, and get, get better
00:16:10for himself.
00:16:13I would love to go back and listen to what players said after they beat the Bibles last
00:16:17year.
00:16:18It was anybody talking about Mac Jones like this at all.
00:16:21I don't remember a single, like, well, that was the game where they didn't let him throw
00:16:25really say anything close to this.
00:16:27I was like, yeah, they probably were like nice things here and there, but no one like,
00:16:30yeah, we weren't surprised.
00:16:31Like Drake's that dude.
00:16:32It's just, I like half forgot they lost just because like hearing everybody talk about
00:16:37it, you would think the game kind of went a little differently, but again, just finally
00:16:41nice to have a quarterback that does inspire that level of confidence throughout the entire
00:16:45team.
00:16:46Defense knows, the special teams knows, the offense knows this dude can score on any play.
00:16:52Yeah.
00:16:53Yeah.
00:16:54They know.
00:16:55I mean, they know.
00:16:56I am a little, I'm a little surprised there's some people here.
00:17:00I don't know if it's just simply that they're, and not everyone has to think the same thing.
00:17:04I don't know how you watch this and don't feel like, as again, what are you looking
00:17:07for out of this season as a Patriots fan?
00:17:11Overall growth and progress is nice, but the number one thing is clearly, did we get the
00:17:15right guy?
00:17:16And like, I think you can feel, I think it's insane that you can almost know that you did
00:17:21like this early.
00:17:23You know, I think most people thought it would be like, we'll see.
00:17:26It might take a while.
00:17:27Like, you know, you could have been looking at a year to a year and a half of like, I
00:17:30don't know if he cleans this stuff up maybe, but I don't know what, I mean, like I said
00:17:35is, I think he's so far ahead of where you thought, and he's capable of doing so many
00:17:39things beyond, beyond, the most impressive thing for me is the things he does Taylor
00:17:44beyond the physical, that is impressive.
00:17:47That's on a, on a very high level.
00:17:49And again, a lot of it was the processing and just, you know, how he's seeing things.
00:17:54He sees things very, very clearly for, for, for a rookie whose biggest issue was supposed
00:17:59to be, you know, that, and lack of experience.
00:18:03I mean, it doesn't look like that here.
00:18:06And again, you know, we know that like progress isn't necessarily linear.
00:18:12He could take a couple steps back and have some real clunkers where things come up that
00:18:16haven't come up yet.
00:18:17And you're like, Ooh, I didn't like that.
00:18:19I didn't like this, but like everything after, you know, again, the three and a half games,
00:18:23I guess so far is the arrow pointing, you know, heavy, heavy up as far as he goes.
00:18:28So I am surprised when I see in here, like people are like, we'll still see like, I,
00:18:34I, maybe it's, I'm a quick judgment guy.
00:18:38I'm like, Oh God, he's, this is it.
00:18:40They got him.
00:18:41He's the guy.
00:18:42Like, I don't know how you watch a season of Caleb Williams and watch three games of
00:18:45Drake May and can tell me that you think Caleb Williams is ahead of May right now.
00:18:49He's not like, I don't, I, he's not, you know, like this is a, this has franchise quarterback
00:18:54written on it.
00:18:55So again, people should be rejoicing over that.
00:18:58Everything else, you can absolutely start to be a little bit, you know, a little bit
00:19:03anxious about it because again, you can't fix everything all at once.
00:19:07And I, to the Patriots credit, they're trying, but like, this is, this is where we were a
00:19:13little bit with, you know, in the Mac Jones, you know, last year or so of like, well, the
00:19:19line is bad and the receivers are bad and there's a lot of excuses for why, but the
00:19:22bottom line is Mac was also not doing well himself.
00:19:26The problems persist though.
00:19:28And like, you don't want to make them as the reason why, you know, someone is playing poorly,
00:19:33but it's certainly the reason why they're losing is they just simply don't have enough
00:19:36playmakers all over the field.
00:19:38The, the, the, the, the line again, you threw in Leighton Robinson into start immediately.
00:19:43Really rough start, really rough start to start there on when who being kicked back
00:19:47to tackle again, a lot of people question whether or not that was the right thing, especially
00:19:51considering it's a right tackle, right?
00:19:54Yeah, he was.
00:19:55Yeah.
00:19:56So I actually asked the rod about that decision because I thought that was a really funky
00:20:00move to like break the continuity and put late Robinson in, especially with the strength
00:20:04of Tennessee's defense is Jeffrey Simmons in the interior.
00:20:07That's what I mean is it didn't make sense here against this team for what Tennessee
00:20:11brings at you.
00:20:12Yeah.
00:20:13And he did acknowledge that the pocket was kind of soft and that they weren't really,
00:20:16they wanted to get a better matchup on Jeffrey Simmons.
00:20:17And I'm like, um, you didn't think about that before the game.
00:20:21Like this is the first game where I really have some like very glaring issues with the
00:20:25coaching or sometimes I'm just like, like I said on the show before, sometimes I really
00:20:28just don't know what their thought process was.
00:20:30And I want to, you know, be respectful of the fact that they put way more work into
00:20:34these things than I do.
00:20:35But like, that was one of the things where I'm just like, even in the pregame, I'm like,
00:20:38I saw the late Robinson was a guard in practice on Friday and I'm like, I'm going to wait
00:20:42to the game because I don't know if this is the nesting with us or what it is.
00:20:46I thought it was kind of funky, but I mean, it kind of put a bow on the Drake May thing.
00:20:50I think Kendrick Bourne also mentioned like what you said, how he makes everyone around
00:20:53him better.
00:20:54Like everything that, uh, only Wolf and Gerard Mayo were saying about Drake when he was drafted,
00:20:59you've heard from other people in the locker room, like players are saying it unprofitable,
00:21:03not a profit.
00:21:04Obviously they're being asked about it, but they're saying all those things.
00:21:07And when it comes to like where Drake May was, the reason I was so giddy about him,
00:21:10like I know he's mentioned that he's always been pretty good at dealing the rush.
00:21:14Obviously we know that we've seen that when he got drafted, the thing I was so excited
00:21:17about before he was drafted was the fact that, yeah, he was 21 years old and you can tell
00:21:23the way that he like attacks defenses.
00:21:25It's not a mechanical thing where it's like, okay, now the safety dropped and it's covered
00:21:29too.
00:21:30It's not like that.
00:21:31It's more like what Brady did where it's, you can tell he's attacking space.
00:21:35He understands where leverages were structurally, the defenses week, and that's the stuff that
00:21:40you saw in college.
00:21:41Like every once in a while, like I know, I think it was against a Minnesota or somebody.
00:21:45He had one of those interceptions like he had today, we're just completely missed the
00:21:49underneath the fender, but it's not like most quarterbacks where that kind of thing happens
00:21:53and you're just like, Oh God, here it goes again.
00:21:55When he makes those kinds of mistakes, it really is surprising because you know that
00:21:59he usually is a very good decision maker and really the only times he really turns
00:22:03it over consistently or because of his accuracy issues, which obviously are still a work in
00:22:07progress.
00:22:08But yeah, it's, Oh my God, I'm not comparing him to Tom Brady.
00:22:12Let's be honest.
00:22:13I'm saying the way they process defense, you can tell, I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, but
00:22:17the way they process defense is very similar.
00:22:20Obviously Tom Brady was in the NFL for 20 years, much smarter, much further ahead.
00:22:25I'm not saying Drake may as Tom Brady, but please let's, let's breathe here.
00:22:29That's what I heard.
00:22:30But that's at least like the processing and how smart Drake may is already at this stage
00:22:35is why it's so exciting because you can tell he's very far ahead of the curve when it comes
00:22:39to the mental side of the game.
00:22:40No doubt about it.
00:22:41And so, and again, that's the thing is kind of back to it is like, you know, everything
00:22:45you're seeing from it again, it's hard to like not point out what's going on.
00:22:51But again, we mentioned the offensive line issues.
00:22:54It was an issue before.
00:22:56I hate saying this would make it and be like, well, like Drake may.
00:23:00So now you're making excuses for him.
00:23:02It just is what's going to cap the ceiling and the ability to take it further.
00:23:05I think he's doing everything he can within the current construct, but like, while I was
00:23:08waiting for you to kind of finish up in the locker room, I turned on NBC's post-game and
00:23:13Ted Johnson, like just with a straight face and he wasn't trolling or anything out there,
00:23:17but he was kind of assessing May's performance from his perspective.
00:23:19He's like, I'm really encouraged.
00:23:21He's like, look, does the guy have, you know, a terrible offensive line around him?
00:23:25Yes, absolutely.
00:23:26Is this the worst receiver group in the league?
00:23:28Yeah, probably.
00:23:29He's like, is, is Alex Van Pelt an offensive guru?
00:23:35Definitely not.
00:23:36So it's like, it's just kind of runs through all of it is like, and so he's out there doing
00:23:40it.
00:23:41And that's the thing is like, this is literally a man on an Island at this point where, why
00:23:44are the Patriots behind him saying all of these things?
00:23:47Like, oh, he's this, he's this, he's this, he's that.
00:23:50I think they realize like, and Mayo said it after week one and everyone was like, that's
00:23:55a strange thing to say when he's like, we got to be better for him.
00:23:59He's already it.
00:24:00Like he is the system at this point.
00:24:03Like, and again, I, I'm not taking the victory lap over.
00:24:06Like I thought she should have been playing all along.
00:24:08I think they should have installed everything around him all along.
00:24:11That's kind of the thing is like build everything you have to, to suit Drake May's skillset
00:24:16from the moment he walked through the door, this whole, like he'll get in later in the
00:24:20season around our system, that's going to be built around zone running.
00:24:24And this is what we do.
00:24:25It's just found to be strange.
00:24:26Like you got this guy, go figure out what you're going to do around this guy, but what's
00:24:29happening around him right now and around the team all year and around the team last
00:24:34year is sadly an institutional failure.
00:24:36So it's impossible not to look at some of these things and not at least call them out
00:24:40for what they are.
00:24:41And there was a couple of positives today, getting Douglas a little bit more involved.
00:24:46Boren probably had his best game, even though he was guilty of a couple of things as well.
00:24:50And we don't like to talk about Jalen Polk, but we're going to have to again.
00:24:55I know.
00:24:56So we'll get through all of that and we'll kind of keep talking about it.
00:24:59We'll also hear a little bit more from the Patriots and the somewhat questionable decision
00:25:04to not go for two at the end of regulation, which I know a lot of people were clamoring
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00:27:21Let's jump back in here with the Patriots and again, those of you joining us right now.
00:27:26Patriots lose.
00:27:27They go to two and seven on the season.
00:27:31Two wins being the opener against Cincinnati and last week against the Jets.
00:27:34And I got to say, some of these losses are pretty grizzly.
00:27:38You're talking about a blowout loss to the Jaguars who were a one-win team.
00:27:42You just lost to the Tennessee Titans who were a one-win team.
00:27:44And again, for people who are into this sort of thing, yeah, this is a thing.
00:27:49And look, I'm not going to pretend I don't want a good draft pick, but I'm going to say
00:27:55if the fan in me watching this game, we wanted a win.
00:27:59And I think that's where people are now.
00:28:01I think last year wins were like when, when, when, what's his name?
00:28:06When Ryland kicked that field goal and they won that game against Denver.
00:28:09I think 90% of the Patriots fan base was, was pissed off.
00:28:13Like it was pissed legit.
00:28:15Like did we need this?
00:28:17In this case, you wanted to see it.
00:28:19Who didn't want to see Drake may drive down the field and score winning touchdown here
00:28:22because you get caught up in it.
00:28:24But the reality is one, the Patriots are the top pick right now.
00:28:29Off the draft for today to there's.
00:28:32Look at them, count them 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 teams currently with two wins on the
00:28:38schedule.
00:28:39So there's a lot of competition for the bottom.
00:28:42As we know last year, four wins, you know, there were four teams with four wins or fewer.
00:28:47And I think you can kind of count on that as well.
00:28:49So we don't know how it's going to go for the Patriots, but there is value and there
00:28:52is importance Taylor and getting that pick, not because you necessarily want to use it,
00:28:56but the higher, the pick, the greater, the asset, the more ability you have to move up
00:29:00and down and do different things and be able to get player or at this case, more importantly,
00:29:05play ers that you need.
00:29:08And what's kind of a bummer about this team and about the situation is great.
00:29:12Got the quarterback, but you or I could have drafted Drake may as quarterback.
00:29:15In fact, we would have drafted Drake may as quarterback.
00:29:18We're not qualified to run professional football teams.
00:29:21Every fan would have taken Drake may in that position as well.
00:29:24That pick was easy.
00:29:25Everything that's happened after that is a bit of a question mark.
00:29:28And again, it's going to kind of come back to the receivers at this point.
00:29:31You got a Javon Baker appearance today.
00:29:34He actually got in on the second snap of the game and he worked in, it looked like they
00:29:37tried to get him involved a little bit.
00:29:40But then there's Polk again.
00:29:43I don't know what's going on, man, but zero targets, zero receptions, two penalties.
00:29:48One was procedural and another was what did he do?
00:29:51I forget what it was.
00:29:54That was a motion.
00:29:55One and one was a hold.
00:29:56Yup.
00:29:57It was a hold on a run, negated place.
00:29:58The amount of holds Patriots had, the negated big plays were unbelievable, such, I digress
00:30:03a little, but an incredibly winnable game based off of all of these senseless penalties
00:30:06that didn't necessarily make the play.
00:30:09They just happened along with a play that would have turned into a gain or a first down
00:30:13or put them in impossible drive killing positions and the amount of fumbles Tennessee had that
00:30:17the Patriots couldn't accidentally fall on.
00:30:20They definitely didn't get those bounces either.
00:30:21So there was a lot that went into this loss beyond just, you know, well, the turnovers
00:30:26and they lost the game, but this again, here we are, here we are again here in it.
00:30:31You know, there were a couple of sacks Drake may took today that were obvious coverage
00:30:34sacks.
00:30:35And again, without the benefit of film, it's hard to say, well, he did have somebody just
00:30:38didn't see him or not.
00:30:40You're not totally sure, but from what it looked like to you, I don't know what was
00:30:43big, what was happening downfield for the most part in terms of, you know, being able
00:30:48to take any shots.
00:30:49You know, may did not take very many shots downfield because it just doesn't feel like
00:30:52anybody was, was, was, was, was available for him, whether it was the rush, got there
00:30:57one beat too late on a throw.
00:30:58He might've been able to make if he had time to step into it.
00:31:01The miss to Douglas being an example, another half split second there, that might've been
00:31:05a connection.
00:31:07And then I don't know what's happening, but here we got Polk again, no targets, no receptions.
00:31:12Good news is no drops, I guess, but that's it.
00:31:15Then I think Jayvon Baker, I'm looking up right now, believe he only played four snaps.
00:31:20So now it's fun for me.
00:31:21That was it, huh?
00:31:22I thought he had a few more.
00:31:23Yeah.
00:31:24Wow.
00:31:25Yeah.
00:31:26I don't really understand.
00:31:27I think they really need to sit down.
00:31:28Like I, I'm getting to the point where like this dude needs some type of drastic change.
00:31:33I understand he's young.
00:31:34Like I'm not hitting the panic button or anything.
00:31:36You keep putting him out here and he's not making positive impact.
00:31:40Can I ask a question?
00:31:42Let me ask you a quick question though, because I know it's not your nature to hit a panic
00:31:46button on a player this early because again, careers, you know, whatever.
00:31:51What I will say is that the receiver position, I do feel, you know, a lot faster than a lot
00:31:55of other places because ultimately like there's, it's an individual enough position where just
00:32:01simply beating a person in coverage and or catching balls thrown to you is something
00:32:05you can do regardless, irrespective of the circumstances around you.
00:32:10I mean, fine.
00:32:11If he's really more of a Z and he's playing X and you know, there's, they're not utilizing
00:32:14him exactly the same ways you should still see a flash or two.
00:32:18Most receivers, most receivers, you see enough of the positive to say, I can see how this
00:32:25could turn out good.
00:32:26At this point, there's zero of it.
00:32:29And I don't think it's too early to say, Oh, this is really bad.
00:32:35And I don't know.
00:32:36I'm trying to think of examples where someone has looked this horribly bad and they continue
00:32:40to have any type of career, let alone flourished and became a good player.
00:32:45So the, the amount, the amount of good, which is next to zero, one really good catch down
00:32:51the sideline that was like, you know, the one that got thrown between two defenders.
00:32:55I think I can't remember who that was against.
00:32:57That's it.
00:32:58And you know, but other than that, I don't know.
00:33:00I mean it bad, bad, bad, bad.
00:33:03Yeah.
00:33:04I mean, we can literally just go last year, like H on boogie.
00:33:07His first game was bad, bad, bad, three opportunities to make critical grabs, can't keep his feet
00:33:12in bounds.
00:33:13And then you just don't see him for the rest of the year.
00:33:17You know?
00:33:18Right.
00:33:19So I mean, that's where I think I know that this team wants to play their young guys and
00:33:23they want to give them opportunities, but it's getting to the point now where it's like,
00:33:26all right, like Leighton and Jalen are both struggling consistently.
00:33:30And I just, I, again, I understand this season is about growth and development.
00:33:35You want to put those guys out there because the only way to get better at football is
00:33:37by playing football.
00:33:38But for Jalen, it really just seems like he's in his head.
00:33:41Like this, it just feels like the mental mistakes are constant, obviously like drops are just
00:33:46a mental mistake.
00:33:47But when you're a guy like Polk who was known for having great hands and then you're just
00:33:51dropping everything.
00:33:52And then like today, you're not even getting the ball thrown to you and you're still getting
00:33:55called out for doing the wrong things.
00:33:57I mean, again, I don't want to panic on a rookie receiver, but I definitely am at the
00:34:01point now where I just don't see how you keep putting him on the field.
00:34:04I don't know what practice looks like.
00:34:06Maybe he's doing things in practice and it's not translating to the game.
00:34:09I don't know, but it's just the net value that you've gotten from him since that San
00:34:13Francisco game is bad, bad.
00:34:15So, you know, I'm sure he's got a bright future like Drogbao keeps saying, but it's just,
00:34:20you got to start giving somebody opportunities other than him because you just can't come
00:34:24get all through him.
00:34:25You can't rely on him.
00:34:26And that's the biggest thing.
00:34:27It's like the repeat mistakes, Drogbao said, be an air repeater.
00:34:31You want to put the young guys out there, but you can't keep doing the same things.
00:34:34Obviously the two penalties aren't worth the exact same thing, but it's still MEs, mental
00:34:39errors.
00:34:40So yeah, I think I've seen enough of Jalen Pope for at least like a week or two.
00:34:44You know what though?
00:34:45It did line up as well as it could in terms of who you want to see playing prior to the
00:34:50game because Osborne and Thornton were both healthy scratches.
00:34:56They were both full participants on the last practice report.
00:34:59They didn't play along with Duggar, which is interesting.
00:35:01And we'll talk about that in a little bit as well, but it sounds like Duggar was legit
00:35:05still kind of not all the way back for an ankle, though he was the only person who was
00:35:10limited for three straight days who did not play, I believe.
00:35:13But those guys were out and for reasons beyond, I mean, there's a fantasy world in which they're
00:35:20able to trade one or both.
00:35:23The reality is they won't be able to, and we'll probably cut them or give them for a
00:35:28conditional seventh or something like that to a team that just wants to play.
00:35:34I'm wondering if Osborne is going to be on the way out here with the deadline coming
00:35:37there.
00:35:38The report said that both guys have gotten, some people have inquired about them.
00:35:43I think there is some level of interest, but I also did see a report, like you mentioned,
00:35:46where they said with KJ Osborne, it's either going to be a trade or they're just going
00:35:50to cut him.
00:35:51Yeah, you might have seen the last of Osborne and Thornton in Patriots Uniforce, but I also
00:35:58think people are all set with that.
00:35:59The Thornton dream is dead and has been for a while, and it's okay.
00:36:03I mean, it's not okay.
00:36:04It's a busted second round pick, and you might have another one on your hands.
00:36:07So it's far, pretty, to quote Marcellus Wallace, pretty effing far from okay.
00:36:13But anyway, that's what you had.
00:36:19You had, I guess, the most exciting group that you could put out there, which included
00:36:23Bourne.
00:36:24Now a few games back off of his pup stint, Booty, Douglas, the four rookies, the two
00:36:31from last year and the two from this year.
00:36:33You had them all, plus your supposed best receiver and your veteran.
00:36:37And again, first couple things we get from these guys are procedural penalties, which
00:36:40isn't great, including one from Bourne where he just runs seven yards downfield before
00:36:45the ball is snapped.
00:36:47You saw a little from Douglas.
00:36:49You saw a little bit from Bourne.
00:36:54But again, Baker, as you said, barely gets in there.
00:36:56So they basically played this whole thing with four receivers.
00:36:59And then Polk was Polk.
00:37:01So not enough.
00:37:02Not enough from this group.
00:37:03And there's no relief in sight unless they're able to go get somebody from somebody else,
00:37:10which I'm not entirely opposed to.
00:37:12Again, I don't want to leave this game completely, but this is where I'm at a little bit here
00:37:17You got to start getting better somewhere, right?
00:37:20And it's going to involve trade deadlines, free agency draft.
00:37:23Here's your first opportunity to get a little bit better around Drake May right now.
00:37:27I really want to see them do something.
00:37:29Someone who can potentially help them beyond, you know, and I don't know if one of those
00:37:34players exists.
00:37:35I think it'd be silly to not think about it now.
00:37:37I think like, I think it's fair at the very least to look at this group of receivers and
00:37:41say, I think at best, you've got a couple of guys who might be decent number threes,
00:37:47but you know that you need multiple bodies in here to kind of to, to, to, to, to jump
00:37:52this up a level.
00:37:53I think the Mario Douglas is still who we think he is.
00:37:58Very tough guy to cover.
00:37:59Tough receiver.
00:38:00Yeah.
00:38:01I like him a lot.
00:38:02But I think he's a, he's a, he's a third receiver slot guy, you know, and I don't think necessarily
00:38:06an elite one, but I think he's absolutely the best that they have and clearly the best
00:38:09weapon that they have right now.
00:38:11For sure.
00:38:12Hunter Henry has been super reliable.
00:38:14Yeah.
00:38:15There was that one like deep ball that Drake may put up there.
00:38:19He almost made the grab, but it was a great play by the defender to force it out.
00:38:22I like that one a lot.
00:38:23Yeah.
00:38:24We're moderate.
00:38:25Stevenson had to make that crazy catch that actually got the Patriots in position to potentially
00:38:28win the game.
00:38:29But yeah, I mean, I, so it still feel like Haishan Booney could be a very good number
00:38:34two.
00:38:35Like I want to see the film from this game and see if he was getting smothered or how
00:38:38open he's been.
00:38:39Cause pretty much every week he's done a pretty good job creating separation, but the other
00:38:44guys, again, man, like I don't want to go too deep into the rookies because like they
00:38:46are still rookies and they haven't got folks have opportunities.
00:38:51But obviously like we're hoping that's not the end of their careers, but yeah, I think
00:38:54we've all known that.
00:38:55Like these are a bunch of guys who are probably going to max out as number two's best case
00:38:58scenario.
00:38:59I like J Bon.
00:39:00I think he could be like maybe a low end one if he hits his ceiling completely, but yeah,
00:39:04I think we all know that they need some receiver.
00:39:07I keep putting Darius Slayton's name out there.
00:39:09I know people want T Higgins, but one like T Higgins has been hurt all season.
00:39:14I don't really know what the big, he also can't extend him this year.
00:39:17So I don't really know how much it benefits you to trade for a guy like him.
00:39:20But Slayton is a guy who has the perfect skillset for Drake may, where he can win on the line
00:39:24of scrimmage coin outside the numbers.
00:39:26Very good vertical receiver can take the top off.
00:39:28I think Bella checked like raved about him, called him one of the best, better receivers
00:39:31that no one really talks about.
00:39:32I put his name out there during the giant Steelers game or whatever it was.
00:39:37That's really the one guy in terms of the receivers that I think they could realistically
00:39:40trade for without giving up like a top 100 pick that I'm saying, yes, get him.
00:39:45I know he's not going to, you know, send waves through the fan base or anything like that.
00:39:49Ozolari, another guy that I'd be really interested in if he's available.
00:39:52Although I will say with Ozolari, like I want expectations to be managed.
00:39:57Like he's kind of a bigger guy, close, like he can rush the pass or he can stop the run.
00:40:01He has every down value, but he's not really, he doesn't give you the juice that this pass
00:40:05source really needs.
00:40:06Like the touchdown, the Mason Rudolph through to Westbrook, Kena, whatever his name is,
00:40:11just too much time there.
00:40:13And that's been consistent where it's like if Keanu White is doubled or not on the inside,
00:40:18there just aren't a lot of guys who can win quickly.
00:40:20Dietrich Wise, you know, gives you a little bit of that, but with his, he actually did
00:40:23have a quick sack, but with his skillset, like he's more of a bigger guy, so you're
00:40:27not really getting that.
00:40:28But again, going back to receivers, I think Slate would be a really good fit on this offense,
00:40:32but the struggle of not a ton of options because not a lot of teams want to trade away.
00:40:35Well, that's what I mean is he looks at an offense that doesn't really fit his skillset.
00:40:39Looking up and down here, and I just threw this back up here.
00:40:41Yeah.
00:40:42Like, could you pick the bones of New Orleans?
00:40:44You know, they're, they're in hell right now.
00:40:46Probably not because Shahid's already hurt.
00:40:48They don't have necessarily like a veteran type guy.
00:40:50Alave would be great.
00:40:51Alave is the type of person I would give up real draft capital for, but he just got his
00:40:55brain scrambled again for a set, another concussion to the hospital.
00:41:00He's probably going to be out for multiple weeks, if not the season after what happened
00:41:03today.
00:41:04Fifth, possibly up to his fifth documented concussions.
00:41:07Pretty bad.
00:41:08Cleveland.
00:41:09You could always look at a guy like Jerry Judy there as somebody who you could potentially
00:41:13look at.
00:41:14Carolina.
00:41:15I've mentioned Thielen or even maybe like a Jonathan Mingo, who's not mixing in over
00:41:19there and might be like a second draft option for the Patriots.
00:41:22I'm not sure whether they looked at him a couple of years ago when he came out.
00:41:26Las Vegas, Jacoby Myers is a name that's come up.
00:41:30You know, it's like, oh, I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
00:41:35I'm not into all of these guys.
00:41:37The Giants, you've mentioned a couple of players there.
00:41:39Miami's not selling any of their parts or any of their big name receivers.
00:41:42That's for sure.
00:41:43Jacksonville has made, you know, they have what they have there and, you know, probably
00:41:47overpaid for their free agent signings.
00:41:50Ultimately, it was taking their receivers.
00:41:52They got Christian Kirk.
00:41:53He was in talks to be traded, just galaxy brain decision to play him, actively talking
00:41:59about moving him.
00:42:00Yeah.
00:42:01And there's nothing there.
00:42:02He's there on, on Tuesday and we'll have a lot more coming up with that throughout
00:42:06the thing.
00:42:07It was interesting.
00:42:08There was a report this week about the Patriots making Godshaw, Osborne, Duggar and Thornton
00:42:12all available in trades.
00:42:16And it's not Osborne, it's born.
00:42:18I want it in there, but that's okay.
00:42:20That's Godshaw, born and Duggar are all guys.
00:42:23They signed to deals.
00:42:24Gerard Mayo had a quote about it.
00:42:26Like, I don't know, man, this stuff sounds made up.
00:42:28So we'll see what happens.
00:42:29That's coming up on Tuesday.
00:42:31Just philosophically speaking, I'd be more for trying to find something that helps you
00:42:37rather than trading away core pieces of your team for late day three picks.
00:42:40Yeah, a hundred percent.
00:42:41That's why when I saw the report, I even tweeted and I was like, these don't really make a
00:42:45ton of sense.
00:42:46Like being in contact with DJ Humphries.
00:42:48Yeah.
00:42:49That makes sense a little bit because the Darien though has gotten hurt, but I don't
00:42:52think they want to replace the Darien because he's been pretty solid for them.
00:42:55And then the other things that were floated around, like trading Duggar wouldn't make
00:42:58any sense at all.
00:42:59Devon Dodshaw is one of the few guys on your defense who's consistently stopping the run
00:43:03and actually playing at a high level.
00:43:05Also a guy who's been accountable, been very open with us and answers the tough questions
00:43:09after all these losses.
00:43:10I think it'd be a really weird move to move on from him.
00:43:13I know John Jones has been someone that people have mentioned.
00:43:15I don't think you can trade him either for a ton of reasons.
00:43:18One, like the fact that he's stepping up as a leader where defense acknowledge they don't
00:43:22really have a lot of vocal leaders left and kind of John has to step out of his comfort
00:43:26zone there.
00:43:27But yeah, I think I would be much happier with him.
00:43:29Obviously sell the guys that don't have a future on the team.
00:43:32Thornton, Osborne, that's fine.
00:43:33The guys who were signed to extensions, maybe other than Kendrick Bourne to be honest, because
00:43:37I have not seen a whole lot from him this season.
00:43:40Like I think he had his best game of the season today and I, you know, I wasn't really moved
00:43:44by it to be totally honest.
00:43:46He's the one guy who might kind of make sense, but also then you take a veteran out of the
00:43:50room when you're probably also going to move on from Osborne and that's room has been very
00:43:54local and kind of shown signs of maturity.
00:43:56I think that could just be a nightmare if you move on from him.
00:43:59So yeah, but if you can find someone who you think would fit long term and you can sign
00:44:03you an extension and that you like in your system, move on from the guys that you don't
00:44:07think are maybe have that kind of potential and yeah, just keep the guys who signed to
00:44:11the extension for the most part, because I just don't think you can afford to lose those
00:44:14guys when you're already going through the losses and like in the locker room, which
00:44:19is so downtrodden.
00:44:20Like, I really think we need to keep as many of those character guys as possible.
00:44:24Yeah.
00:44:26I would I would agree that, you know, that's that's kind of where we're at here.
00:44:30So we'll see where that trade deadline is.
00:44:33As far as this game goes again, you had some issues on the offensive line again with the
00:44:36shuffle we discussed briefly.
00:44:38We did talk about again, you know, receivers underwhelming, you know, to, you know, which
00:44:45has kind of been the the mo all season long, but at the end of the day, you have a chance
00:44:50to win the game.
00:44:53And that's, you know, largely because, you know, the Drake may drives him down the field,
00:44:59they get, you know, that that that game tying touchdown to remandre Stevens on that really
00:45:03excellent play.
00:45:04And then you have a chance to tie the game or to go for two.
00:45:08And the Patriots chose to tie the game.
00:45:11What was your thought at the time?
00:45:12It's always easy.
00:45:13And it's always going to be hindsight.
00:45:14But what were you thinking there that you would like to do?
00:45:18I really wouldn't like them to go for two.
00:45:20I was talking to Mike Reese about it.
00:45:22I'm like, would you go for two here?
00:45:23Would you just hit the field goal?
00:45:24He would have gone for the field goal, obviously, all the respect in the world for Mike Reese.
00:45:28I understood that perspective.
00:45:30And I think this is like a hindsight is 2020 kind of thing.
00:45:32And especially after that play, like you have to run a play after Drake may was running
00:45:36around for like 12 seconds.
00:45:38He even said I didn't even think about asking to go for two because I was gassed after that.
00:45:44So I thought it made sense in that perspective.
00:45:48So the defense, obviously, like they were getting run on a lot, especially in that overtime
00:45:51drive.
00:45:52But they were getting stops for the most part, like the Titans weren't like running up the
00:45:56score or anything like that.
00:45:57So I'm thinking, all right, Titans get the ball first.
00:46:00I kind of like that because then you just need a field goal, ideally, if you can get
00:46:03a stop there.
00:46:05But yeah, I talked, man, just because I do think the offense was tired and wanting them
00:46:10to convert the two might have been asking a little much.
00:46:13But at the same time, it was so hard for them to even get in scoring range.
00:46:17And, you know, Drake may was hot.
00:46:19I really could see both arguments for me personally.
00:46:21I would have liked to have seen them go for two and just end it there.
00:46:25I would agree.
00:46:26That was an interesting call.
00:46:27I didn't hear it, but I'm going to play it right now and educate myself.
00:46:31This is a drawed Mayo talking about the decision within a game that can change the tide of
00:46:35it.
00:46:36You know, at the time, I felt like that was the right thing to do.
00:46:39It's easy to make a judgment one way or the other, but I thought that was the right thing
00:46:43to do at the time.
00:46:44Okay.
00:46:45Whatever.
00:46:46That wasn't much.
00:46:47That wasn't much.
00:46:48Pretty much what we said.
00:46:49But yeah, I really do feel like the fact that that play before it just was so insane.
00:46:50Receivers also, the receivers were running around trying to get open.
00:46:51And I know football players in the Anthony Richardson situation, people may be sensitive
00:46:52to like, oh, you're a football player and all that stuff.
00:46:53It's like football players, they're not sensitive to that.
00:46:54It's like, oh, you're a receiver.
00:46:55It's like, oh, you're a receiver.
00:46:56It's like, oh, you're a receiver.
00:46:57It's like, oh, you're a receiver.
00:46:58It's like, oh, you're a receiver.
00:46:59It's like, oh, you're a receiver.
00:47:00It's like, oh, you're a receiver.
00:47:01So again, man, I would have liked to see them just try to end the game, but you know,
00:47:23I get the decision.
00:47:25Yeah.
00:47:26Other things.
00:47:27It's impossible to not talk about it because it continues to be an issue.
00:47:28Yeah.
00:47:29Yeah.
00:47:30Yeah.
00:47:31Yeah.
00:47:32Yeah.
00:47:33Yeah.
00:47:34Yeah.
00:47:35Yeah.
00:47:36Yeah.
00:47:37Yeah.
00:47:38Yeah.
00:47:39Yeah.
00:47:40Yeah.
00:47:41Yeah.
00:47:42Yeah.
00:47:43Yeah.
00:47:44Yeah.
00:47:45Yeah.
00:47:46Yeah.
00:47:47Yeah.
00:47:48Yeah.
00:47:49Yeah.
00:47:50Yeah.
00:47:51Yeah.
00:47:52Yeah.
00:47:53Yeah.
00:47:54Yeah.
00:47:55Yeah.
00:47:56Yeah.
00:47:57And as you mentioned, the Patriots are going to be skewed because of, uh, you know, Drake
00:48:03Mays rushing, but the Patriots on designed runs.
00:48:07I have completely lost their ability to run the football.
00:48:10How did this happen?
00:48:13You know, and again, because we're talking about kind of some similarities here in terms
00:48:17of, you know, the, the, the profile of the offensive lineman playing, but they weren't
00:48:23struggling quite this, uh, much before.
00:48:26And again, outside of remandre to Michael Hasey, got one carry for zero yards.
00:48:31Antonio Gibson got one carry for minus one.
00:48:33So the total stats for the Patriots rushing on designed rushes was 12 carries for 15
00:48:41fricking yards with the long of five.
00:48:45Yeah.
00:48:46Reminder was asked about it after they came and he said, no, you know what?
00:48:49That's like above my pay grade.
00:48:51You know, you got to ask coaches about that.
00:48:53Well, I don't like hearing that being like, bro, I'm not getting blocks or not
00:48:59doing well because I'm getting contacted by the line scrimmage every Gary last
00:49:04week, a hundred and 23% of his yards came after contact and I'm thinking of the
00:49:10play where he has like stiff arm, Courtney Williams of the backfield.
00:49:12Like that's what it is.
00:49:14The blocking just isn't there.
00:49:15And I understand part of it is you have the chemistry and all that or whatever.
00:49:18But like, and I think that was a big reason they put later Robinson in the
00:49:21lineup.
00:49:22And that was why I kind of didn't mind later Robinson in the lineup early on
00:49:25thinking he was going to continue to get better at past perfection because he does
00:49:29give you a legitimate edge in the brown game.
00:49:31But it's like, you have that Darian low and Michael Jordan next to each other for
00:49:34a decent amount of time.
00:49:35Ben Brown's been pretty solid.
00:49:36It's just, it's so bizarre.
00:49:38It's like every play, somebody makes a mistake that lets somebody get into the
00:49:41backfield, almost untouched or like barely moved off the spot.
00:49:46And then the decision at the end of the half to run twice when it seemed like
00:49:50they were trying to get themselves in scoring position and then on third down
00:49:55to go heavy, go under center and then get stuck was embarrassing.
00:50:00I'm just like, why are you making it obvious?
00:50:02Like getting the gun run inside zone may even be a threat.
00:50:07Like, what is the thinking there?
00:50:08Why are you running it right up the gut and telling everybody exactly what you're
00:50:12doing when you need a conversion that made me really upset.
00:50:15Like, again, I think people critique play calling in a way that's very revisionist.
00:50:19It's like, Oh, that one didn't work.
00:50:21What an idiot.
00:50:22It's like, you don't call the play thinking it's not going to work, but in
00:50:25situations like that, where it's like, this is a critical moment and you
00:50:28know, you can't run the ball.
00:50:30I understand mixing it in every once in a while.
00:50:32I want to drive.
00:50:32Like you can't just pass 10 times in a row.
00:50:35That's just not how the NFL works.
00:50:36You're putting yourself in a really bad spot, but it also gets to the point
00:50:39where it's like, all right, you need to make plays and your
00:50:41offensive line cannot block anybody.
00:50:45So I thought for hundreds of months, that was very funny.
00:50:47Cause he's basically just trying not to throw anybody under the bus.
00:50:50But he's like, bro, do not ask me why we can't run the ball.
00:50:53I'm doing literally everything.
00:50:55I physically can't.
00:50:56Yeah.
00:50:57And that's the thing is like, you're going to leave this and that's, that's the thing.
00:51:01You're going to leave this game, you know, and again, as a, as a fan or someone,
00:51:06you know, and the, you know, the Drake may stuff is going to carry you and be like,
00:51:12okay, that was, I liked that.
00:51:15I liked that.
00:51:15But then you are going to be left with this bad, ugly, sinking, awful
00:51:18feeling that there's still nothing there around, around them.
00:51:22And, and that's a reality that's going to continue on through the season.
00:51:26So this is a bit of kind of what you're going to get the rest of the way.
00:51:30Don't you think?
00:51:30Like, I, where do you see, I'm not being doom and gloom about it.
00:51:35I think when people looked at it and said this, I mean, I predicted four wins, you
00:51:40know, like when people looked at this, that's kind of it is like, I just don't.
00:51:45I don't think you can conjure it up out of nowhere.
00:51:48Like, I don't think there's enough developmental players here
00:51:52to take you to another level.
00:51:54I think it is very much, sadly, a bit of patchwork at this point and a
00:51:58bit of, and a couple of misses so far.
00:52:00And again, you don't know fully, but you know, you were hoping your two
00:52:04offensive linemen that you drafted would be able to step in and play.
00:52:10You were hoping city.
00:52:10So in year two, when he became healthy would be an anchor and
00:52:14the interior of that line.
00:52:15And he's not, um, you have some positives there where, you know,
00:52:20if Darian Lowe has looked.
00:52:21Passable, um, at left tackle and has actually held his, held his own fine,
00:52:26but there's nothing else there and you're just not getting anything out
00:52:28of your receivers at any, at all.
00:52:30So I don't think it just changes.
00:52:32I think this is going to be a bit of a struggle kind of the rest of the way.
00:52:35Would you like, uh, unless I'll say this.
00:52:38So this is, this is my late layman's take on what I think it's a damned.
00:52:47If you do, you know, damned, if you don't scenario, if you can't block.
00:52:51To get the running game going, you've got to figure out something else to do.
00:52:54And at this point, I think it's actually pretty silly to not incorporate more RPO.
00:52:59Um, and let may make that choice, right?
00:53:02So if you can't block it, maybe you have to read what's going on in front
00:53:05of you and then go from there.
00:53:07I think that that might be honestly, the only way that you can loosen
00:53:10things up a little bit here is to call a couple of quarterback
00:53:13design quarterback runs.
00:53:14The kid's going to, he's not going to listen to you anyway.
00:53:17He's running.
00:53:18This idiot is still not sliding.
00:53:19He's frigging knuckle.
00:53:20He's like, he's not just not sliding.
00:53:22He's inviting contact with his last run.
00:53:24He lowered a shoulder.
00:53:26So again, if you, if, if you can teach him to slide and tell him
00:53:31that that's what you got to do.
00:53:32I do think you've got to probably start to incorporate a little bit
00:53:35more of that into, into the offense.
00:53:37Cause right now, just trying to block it up and run it.
00:53:39It's not happening at all.
00:53:41Yeah.
00:53:41And I do want to give the offense credit.
00:53:43There have been RPOs.
00:53:44Like I think we saw Drake may throw it three times off RPOs
00:53:47today or something like that.
00:53:49That has gone up and I'm kind of torn because one, like Drake may, yes, you
00:53:55can give him like the design carries.
00:53:57And I understand like mixing it in.
00:53:58I'm open to that as well, but at the same time, like there's only so much
00:54:02that there's only so much he can do himself.
00:54:06Like he's not getting Daniels.
00:54:07He's not Lamar Jackson.
00:54:08Like you don't really want to give him like five or 10 design runs necessarily.
00:54:12But I would like the idea of at least kind of having the right to maybe
00:54:15create more conflict for the defense.
00:54:17I'm going to be interested to see what these RPOs look like.
00:54:20And I know that it seems like they're putting them in the gun more and
00:54:23not really as much under center.
00:54:25Like that stood out to me in the game before we got hurt last week was
00:54:28like, we're seeing a pistol.
00:54:29We're seeing a lot of attempts to run from the shotgun.
00:54:32So I think they're trying to find some answers here.
00:54:35Um, I don't want to make any crazy statements because again, I do
00:54:37want to look back at the film.
00:54:39Um, I keep like this week for the preview, honestly, also my preview show.
00:54:46I got nailed it to be honest.
00:54:48One of the, like the things I highlighted came up, it was like the
00:54:50toss play that they got dashed by with the jets, the Titans kept running.
00:54:54That Jeffrey Simmons and RDP on those line games, Jeffrey Simmons
00:54:58came on a line game where he twisted inside.
00:55:00I said, they have to run the ball.
00:55:01I don't know how you do it, but you got to like, take some
00:55:04of the positives from last week.
00:55:05I think there were like five runs that were actually blocked
00:55:07up pretty well in build on that.
00:55:10But now it's just a point where I'm going to think I can acknowledge
00:55:12the run game in my previews because you can't even expect them to run
00:55:15the ball with any level of success.
00:55:17It's one thing.
00:55:18If it's one game, it's one thing.
00:55:19It's two games.
00:55:19Now it's been like a month where they run the ball.
00:55:22It's my enemies.
00:55:23So at this point, it's like, you have to go into the games expecting.
00:55:26They're not going to be able to do it.
00:55:27It's the strangest amount.
00:55:29It's the strangest, like unexpected futility for me, like to, to see that
00:55:33happen, it completely, I mean, for a team that was certain and that did
00:55:38have some success early in the year.
00:55:41And it's like, this is how they win.
00:55:42This is how we win.
00:55:43This is our identity.
00:55:44This was it.
00:55:46This was, I mean, Mayo proclaimed it.
00:55:48Uh, you know, van Pelt, we're a rush where you're, we're a running team.
00:55:52We're going to be that all year, regardless of who's under center.
00:55:55That's going to be our identity.
00:55:57We're going to hit people in the mouth, which again, in this day
00:56:00and age is frigging stupid, but it is.
00:56:03I don't agree there.
00:56:04I'm saying
00:56:05that's all fences in the NFL.
00:56:06Run the ball very well.
00:56:09Why are we running?
00:56:10What is it?
00:56:11The fifties?
00:56:11It's not, what I'm saying is
00:56:13so bad at actually executing it.
00:56:15It doesn't matter to think that that's all you're going to do and not.
00:56:18And the, and yeah, that, that to me is it.
00:56:22Oh, I'm sorry.
00:56:23I'm sorry.
00:56:24I'm being loud.
00:56:25Okay.
00:56:27I'll be less loud.
00:56:29And then, then you won't have to match my loud.
00:56:31Okay.
00:56:32We're going to whisper our way through the last few minutes of the show.
00:56:34So again, I don't know that, like, I don't know how it went away to this point.
00:56:40So again, I have to point that it's the same personnel are, are, are they just
00:56:47doing really basic, boring, predictable shit, or are they just getting their
00:56:50asses kicked up front?
00:56:52Because again, it's not a huge shuffle on the offensive line.
00:56:55You might even argue you're better situated on the offensive line
00:56:57than you were to start the year.
00:56:59So I don't understand how something like this could fail.
00:57:02It's actually strange to me that the running game would be so much worse
00:57:06than the passing game, especially now that you do have may and a guy who can,
00:57:11who you have to respect his ability to get it downfield, that should
00:57:14have opened things up more.
00:57:15I'm so perplexed by why it's happened.
00:57:18Cause logically it shouldn't, it doesn't make sense.
00:57:22I mean, the opponent also matters as well, but against teams where they
00:57:25should have been able to have more success, they haven't been able to do it.
00:57:27So I really am baffled by it because.
00:57:31Again, as we said is make and run make and get it downfield.
00:57:35It's you have to respect it a little bit more.
00:57:37So you can't just put 12 guys with 10 yards from the line of
00:57:40scrimmage and just wait for it.
00:57:41I I'm very confused as to how it went away.
00:57:44So, so much so that like, it's, I don't know what you expect other than
00:57:49basically getting to the line of scrimmage and being driven back on
00:57:52almost every play, because that feels like that's literally
00:57:53what's happening on every snap.
00:57:56Yeah.
00:57:56I mean, when David Andrews, we can't ignore that, like not having
00:58:00him as a pretty key part of, I think why the run, but the
00:58:04replacements held up okay.
00:58:06Today was tough.
00:58:06The replacements have held up.
00:58:07Okay.
00:58:08Even though today was a tough one.
00:58:09Yeah.
00:58:10And then like Leighton Robinson and Mike and Mike didn't look good, like early
00:58:12in the season, run blocking next to each other, but obviously we talked to the
00:58:15point where Leighton has been such a liability path, bro, that you just
00:58:18can't have them on the field.
00:58:20And I don't think the mantra is quite as effective as a run
00:58:22blocker as Leighton Robinson.
00:58:24So it's like, there's reasons why, but at the end of the day, just an execution
00:58:28issue, like they were running the ball and executing well early in the season.
00:58:31And now, like I said, it's like every single play feels like somebody makes
00:58:35a mistake that allows quick penetration.
00:58:38It's crazy.
00:58:39Right.
00:58:39And just guys are just being, yeah, no, I mean, it must be particularly
00:58:45for the running back to get the, they get to the hole and there's somebody
00:58:48sitting there waiting for them and just smack them in the mouth.
00:58:50So, I mean, it's, it's, it's ugly and it's messy.
00:58:52And it's, it's, again, it's another thing where it's like, you, you think
00:58:56you're addressing one aspect of the team that needed improvement and to
00:58:59regress so horribly in this one is definitely discouraging.
00:59:03And again, you know, this was, I'm afraid the easy part of the schedule.
00:59:08Right.
00:59:08Like, yeah.
00:59:10They're running out of the games that you, like the soft underbelly of the
00:59:12schedule is very quickly going away.
00:59:15And now you got like last month of the season, you see Josh Allen, the
00:59:18bills twice Cardinals, you play the chargers and Justin Herbert's been on
00:59:23fire.
00:59:23So like, yeah, you're really getting you a tough spot right now where basically
00:59:28the past like month, two months, they've been the get right team for every team.
00:59:32They play, they keep going up against these teams where they're struggling,
00:59:35losing streaks.
00:59:36It seems like the organization is having issues and then they play the Patriots
00:59:39and open unless you're the jets, you know, everything's just got right a week later.
00:59:44Oh yeah.
00:59:45I guess that's true too.
00:59:45So that's just, they did.
00:59:50So it's again, it's bears.
00:59:51And again, the bears are the bears and it'll be fun watching the kind of rookie
00:59:54quarterback matchup for sure.
00:59:55But that's out there, the Rams, you know, now that they're healthier and they're
00:59:58getting their, their, their weapons back, you know, you know, tougher, you've got
01:00:02the dolphins who've got you know, two are back and they're going to be a completely
01:00:06different team than the one that the Patriots saw last time and lost to Colts
01:00:10again.
01:00:11Sure.
01:00:11Yeah.
01:00:12Maybe winnable Cardinals.
01:00:14As you said, bills twice and the chargers whose defense is playing well, in addition
01:00:18to Justin Herbert, kind of looking again, like a top five caliber quarterback.
01:00:21So yeah, sure.
01:00:23There's some teams there that you can remain competitive against.
01:00:25It's not a total wash, but this was the soft spot here.
01:00:28You know, you had, you had the jets, you had the Jaguars, you had the Titans and
01:00:32you, you know, you kind of flubbed your way through this portion of the schedule.
01:00:35So I don't know how it's going to happen.
01:00:37I don't know.
01:00:37People are saying two and 15 is in play.
01:00:39I'm going to hold the line on my four win prediction.
01:00:42And again, for those people obsessed with draft picks, I think you're
01:00:44potentially still looking at within a, you know, that's going to get you a top
01:00:47five pick, which is going to get you some leverage in the draft next season.
01:00:52I, you know, I don't know where else you go here, but as far as this game goes,
01:00:54anything else left over you want to talk about before you go on your way and
01:00:57finish things up, we've, I think covered a good bit of it.
01:01:01I think we have, I don't want to beat anything over the head anymore.
01:01:04Like it's just, it's disappointing.
01:01:05Oh, Marcus Jones.
01:01:06I do want to get him credit.
01:01:08Yeah, we had like little glimpses where you get defensive stops, special teams,
01:01:14does its job, the offense capitalizes by scoring.
01:01:17It's like, can you see these things?
01:01:18You should have wanted to be more consistent, but obviously the margin
01:01:21for error is slim because there's so little talent in the town.
01:01:24You do have a roster.
01:01:26They're not playing.
01:01:27Yeah.
01:01:27Kyle Duggar, Christian Farmore.
01:01:29And I don't want to use those as excuses, but it's also disingenuous to act like
01:01:33your playmakers not playing, isn't a significant reason why you're having
01:01:37such a hard time pulling off these wins and actually finishing
01:01:40and getting the results you want.
01:01:41Oh, but yeah, I want to do that.
01:01:43Marcus Jones absolutely deserves credit for his effort.
01:01:45You know, you see the glimpses of potential.
01:01:48Um, you know, it's going to be interesting to see how they
01:01:51bounce back from this one.
01:01:52I'll say that.
01:01:53Yeah.
01:01:53Yeah.
01:01:54I'm kind of curious the vibe here, because this is one of
01:01:56those mixed feelings sort of games.
01:01:58You, you feel good, pretty good about Drake may, but not all of it.
01:02:01Certainly not the turnovers and certainly not the result.
01:02:04And you're just kind of back to it as well.
01:02:05So, uh, that's kind of where we're at, but again, thank you guys for watching
01:02:09again, Taylor cows, I'll have a lot more on this game coming up for sure.
01:02:12We'll have, uh, he and Michael will be back tomorrow too, with the
01:02:14Patriots daily when they could take a, a little closer look at this after
01:02:17having, you know, rewatch the game and looked at some of the film
01:02:20to get an idea of what we saw.
01:02:22And, you know, maybe there's a few rays of light within there that we
01:02:24haven't really seen here with the naked eye upon first viewing.
01:02:28So.
01:02:29Who knows, again, I'm leaving this one feeling pretty good because again,
01:02:33secretly, yeah, you know, the losses are, the losses are, the losses
01:02:38are better for you down the road.
01:02:40Um, so yeah, I, I still, I still do think it really does benefit them to
01:02:46end up somewhere in that top three or four in terms of the draft picks if,
01:02:50in case some desperate needy team comes calling and they want to throw
01:02:53the bag at you for, for the, for, for a shot at a quarterback, it's a good
01:02:57spot to be in, but you don't want to see more from Drake may I liked it.
01:03:00I liked a lot of what I saw today.
01:03:02Um, so I think, uh, you know, and you know what, Taylor, I'll say this.
01:03:06It was fun, right?
01:03:08Like you're allowed to have fun.
01:03:09Like it's fun that the, the, it was like, you wake up kind of
01:03:14excited to watch football again.
01:03:16And I think that that can't be lost on, you know, like a fan base.
01:03:21That's probably just really, really bored, you know, it's been boring.
01:03:27And again, Drake may gives you opportunities, uh, to get a little bit
01:03:32excited about stuff that's going on the field again, he's, he's a fun guy to
01:03:35watch play I like, I, I, I, I want to see more, you want to see them hopefully
01:03:39eventually surround them with a little bit more and see what he can do.
01:03:42But I really do.
01:03:43Uh, you know, I do feel good about that.
01:03:45Even if it's only just for some entertainment purposes too, which is
01:03:48like the kid, the kid's fun to watch what he does there.
01:03:52Yeah.
01:03:52And when he got here, I was thinking, Oh man.
01:03:56We might have to watch another week of Jacoby and this is a good defense.
01:03:59And that's going to be very boring.
01:04:01Then we saw like, it was tougher.
01:04:02Drake may even, but he pulled off the superheroics wasn't quite enough, but
01:04:06yeah, I mean, I just make sure expectation management is where it needs to be.
01:04:12Drake may good.
01:04:13That is the best thing.
01:04:14I also like, I know some people will just want to pick and want them to lose.
01:04:18I think that winning does matter for this team.
01:04:19I do too.
01:04:21And I think even in these losses, again, like the way they talked about Drake may
01:04:25after the game is like, that's what you want to hear at least that they're still
01:04:28bought in that a lot of it has to do with their quarterback and potential basic.
01:04:32No doubt.
01:04:33Um, so again, thank you guys for watching.
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01:04:55You can just leave, dude.
01:04:58Bye.
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