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00:00All right, let's keep going with you, 888-957-9570.
00:03Hey, Steven and Concord, go ahead.
00:04Thanks for calling, man, what's up?
00:07Oh, hey, congratulations, Mark, on your wonderful weekend.
00:10Thank you, Steven.
00:12So about the 49ers, I called a couple months back
00:16when McCaffrey went to IL, and I talked
00:18about their margin of error is so much smaller
00:21than it was in years past, and it just speaks true.
00:24It's like, years past, they could get over
00:26the bad drop passes or the hold.
00:29They had plenty of talent to make up for it.
00:32It seems like now, with injuries,
00:35and they don't seem to be playing with the same fire
00:37as they have in the years past, either.
00:39So it's like, I'm just seeing lots of issues, obviously.
00:43Special teams is still a dump dryer.
00:46So you have all these issues, and I also
00:48think they're getting older.
00:50A caller mentioned it earlier.
00:51They've had a lot of grind on their bodies,
00:53and for the first time in a while,
00:55injuries are now seriously mounting up.
00:58And the schedule does not get any easier
01:01after the bye, which Gibbs pointed out.
01:03It's tougher this year.
01:05They're not getting Hargrave.
01:07They're not getting Ayoub back.
01:09They desperately need McCaffrey, because he
01:12seems to be the main guy there that everything
01:15gets based around.
01:16Divo cannot, you can't count on him
01:18to stay in games, let alone multiple games in a row,
01:21or six or seven.
01:22So I just, I don't blame Shanahan.
01:25I don't blame Purdy.
01:26He had a bad game.
01:28And they're playing against the best team in the league
01:31with Patrick Mahomes, and I mean,
01:33they have it all on Kansas City.
01:36So I don't blame, it's just a bad game,
01:37but it looks bad, and it just kind of exacerbates
01:41everything that we've seen up to this point.
01:44They make a lot of mistakes,
01:45and now they simply can't overcome them.
01:48And it's, I wish it was just injuries,
01:50but they played the depleted Rams team and got beat.
01:53Played a depleted Cardinals team and got beat.
01:56So they can't even beat the bad teams that are also injured.
02:00So it's just frustrating, you know, to watch.
02:03It's frustrating to hear your show today
02:05and hear all the frustrations.
02:07Sure.
02:08You know, it helps me move along and get to tomorrow.
02:11So it is what it is, and I hope they can find something,
02:15and it's gonna start with the defense.
02:17They have to play better.
02:19They can't seem to make a big stop.
02:21You know, they had a chance to make a stop
02:23against the Rams, the Cardinals,
02:25and they can't.
02:26And that is much different than it has been in years past.
02:31You could always count on a Bosa or a Warner
02:34to make that big play in the big-time situation,
02:37and it's just not happening so far.
02:40So far, yeah.
02:42Yeah, Steven, thanks very much.
02:43I think it's a good call.
02:44I think here's the concept that Steven's getting to.
02:46It's not just one thing.
02:48It's not one thing.
02:49So when people go, oh, you can't use the injuries
02:52as an excuse, yes, you can,
02:54but that's not everything.
02:56It's also-
02:57Well, you really can't use injuries as an excuse
02:59because everyone can use it as an excuse,
03:01and so it's football.
03:02You're gonna have injuries.
03:03But let's change the wording then.
03:04I know people don't like excuses,
03:06but it'd be silly to not take that into account
03:09of your assessment of the team.
03:10So is there reasoning behind it?
03:12Yes, I'm not comparing it to anyone else.
03:15I'm comparing the 49ers to themselves.
03:17They're a lesser version of themselves right now.
03:19Why?
03:20Okay, I think that's one of the reasons.
03:22It's not the only reason.
03:23I think there are two main things
03:25that have happened this year.
03:27Some would call this a Super Bowl hangover.
03:29I don't necessarily look at it that way.
03:32This is the way I see it.
03:34The regular season success of the last handful of years
03:39led the 49ers to come out early this year,
03:43and just by human nature,
03:45you can criticize them for this,
03:46by human nature, they were unable to really conjure up
03:52the urgency that's necessary to win at the NFL level.
03:56Some would call that complacency,
03:57some would call it reading your own press clippings,
04:00what have you.
04:01I think the 49ers suffered, at times,
04:04from overconfidence and a lack of urgency
04:06early in the season.
04:08Then, wrap in when you get the proverbial wake-up call,
04:13and you're like, okay, chop, chop, we gotta get going.
04:17And the second they try to do that,
04:19you're like, oh God, where are our people?
04:22Oh God, there's no Christian, there's no Debo,
04:23there's no Brandon, there's no Juwan.
04:25Well, now we're just not, we're not as good.
04:28We're running routes with Ronnie Bell,
04:30and the whole thing is, and you're playing
04:34the undefeated Super Bowl two-time champs.
04:37So, none of these are excuses, this is assessment.
04:41It's why I still think it's very possible
04:43the Niners end up being a good team this year,
04:46but right now, they're not.
04:47It sounds to me like excuses.
04:49Why?
04:51Those are reasons.
04:52Well, the reasons.
04:53I'm not, it's not me, but I'm not trying
04:55to talk my way out of anything.
04:57You don't have to.
04:58I'm not on the team.
04:59You don't have to talk your way out of anything,
05:01and you line up on Sunday, or if you play Thursday
05:04or Monday, whatever, and you have who you have,
05:06and they have who they have,
05:07and your job is to go out there and win.
05:09And Kansas City had multiple players who weren't available,
05:12and they actually lost one of their starting wide receivers,
05:15and so they made adjustments, and they went out,
05:17and they did enough to go out and win the game.
05:20And yeah, you lost Brandon Iyuk,
05:22and you didn't have Christian McCaffrey.
05:24You haven't had him all year,
05:25but boy, no one's gonna look at that and say,
05:28well, Jordan Mason hasn't been able to carry his load
05:31because he's number two in the NFL in rushing.
05:33No, but the idea of excuses means it's almost like
05:36I'm sitting in front of the principal
05:38and trying to talk him out of something.
05:40That has nothing to do with it.
05:42This is an assessment of where the 49ers are,
05:46and it's not good enough.
05:48It's not excusing anything.
05:49I've sat here and told you,
05:50Brock Purdy's performance yesterday
05:51is the worst one of his entire career.
05:55So that's that.
05:57Like-
05:58Right, I look at it like whoever you have out there,
06:01you have to go out and execute a game plan,
06:04and you have to play in a certain fashion,
06:06and you've got professional football players,
06:08and you've got a punt coverage team
06:11that has been bad the majority of the year.
06:13You have a kicker who you brought in
06:15who couldn't make an extra point,
06:17which ultimately did affect the way you went about things.
06:20Your quarterback who's going to make 60 or 65 million,
06:23whatever he's going to make, he's the dude.
06:26He's the franchise quarterback,
06:27and he had a very, very bad game,
06:30and you can add up all the other mistakes you made
06:32from your Hall of Fame tackle who had a holding penalty,
06:36your center who opened the game with a holding penalty.
06:38You had sloppy play in many areas,
06:41and for me, it doesn't matter who was there
06:43or who wasn't there.
06:44Your job is to go out there and execute,
06:47whether or not you had to lean on Conley and Bell
06:50and Pearsall and Cowing.
06:52Nobody's saying otherwise.
06:53Right.
06:54Nobody's saying otherwise, so that's what I'm getting at.
06:56These two things can be equally true.
06:59What you guys all did yesterday was not good,
07:02not good enough, not acceptable, not fun, not any of that.
07:05Right, right.
07:06However, to go into this roster with the same expectation
07:11as a team that is loaded with literally
07:16some of the top players in the game
07:17that are all not available, why would they be as good?
07:21Why would they be?
07:22Well, they don't have to be as good.
07:24They're not.
07:24You just have to be good enough to win a game,
07:26and you had enough talent yesterday on the field
07:28to win that game.
07:29Sure, as did the Chiefs, and they also,
07:31this here's the perfect comp.
07:33People go, well, the Chiefs found a way to win.
07:35Right, they're also a lesser version of themselves.
07:38Right.
07:38And they are not playing as well.
07:40So that's where I think you can, for me anyway,
07:43you take all of the roster machinations
07:46and you throw them out the window.
07:47And they're more buttoned up.
07:48And no one's arguing that.
07:49Exactly, and they gashed you with a running back
07:51who they found off the scrap heap,
07:53and another guy who no one had ever heard of
07:55four weeks ago.
07:56Completely.
07:57And a backup tight end who carried the day
08:00more so than their Hall of Fame tight end.
08:02So criticize away, and you're right.
08:04Yeah.
08:05But it doesn't mean fire people.
08:07Oh no, I'm with you there.
08:08And I know you're not, but that's like what.
08:10And it doesn't mean that Brock Purdy suddenly,
08:12his extension is in jeopardy.
08:14Right, and now we want a tank,
08:17and now we want to say Brock's not good,
08:19and Kyle is consistently not good enough,
08:21and he's never ready for a big game,
08:23and he doesn't like.
08:24Owen Ford, he went down by eight or more
08:26in the fourth quarter.
08:27That was the stat that was thrown out.
08:29Yeah.
08:29Which I don't know how many,
08:31like I don't know what the winning percentage though
08:32is in general.
08:33You'd have to give me a baseline for every team
08:37that's ever down eight or more.
08:38What's the winning percentage when you're down
08:40by eight or more in the fourth quarter?
08:41It's better than zero.
08:42You would hope.
08:43You would think.
08:44Somebody's done it.
08:45Well, it's happened twice this year to the Niners.
08:47The Raiders won a game this year
08:48where they were down by 10 in the fourth quarter.
08:50The Niners lost two when they were up by 10
08:52in the fourth quarter.
08:53On the road in Baltimore.
08:54So there you go.
08:55Yeah.
08:55So those things do happen.
08:56And those are totally fair.
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09:11That's the only line I'm trying to walk here.
09:14You're not gonna hear from me that yesterday was okay.
09:17Of course.
09:18What you're gonna hear from me
09:19is that yesterday was yesterday.
09:22Yesterday was yesterday.
09:23It was not a narrative on the entire umbrella
09:27of everything that's happened over the last five years
09:29of 49er football.
09:31And so now we need to go in a different direction
09:33or we're hosed.
09:34That's all.
09:35That's all.
09:36I gotta think that most of you see a middle ground there.
09:39No?
09:40You should.
09:41Or if you don't see a middle ground,
09:42you're probably, I think, too irrational.
09:45But it's an overreaction Monday.
09:47Sure, sure, sure.
09:47And I get that.
09:48So do I.
09:49If I put the over under at wins the rest of the year
09:51at six and a half, you probably would take the over.
09:54For the season?
09:56No, six and a half more wins.
09:58Oh.
09:59So will they get to 10 and seven is the question.
10:01Because right now you're three and four.
10:02Can you get to 10 and seven?
10:04If you get to 10 and seven,
10:05you probably are in a tiebreaker scenario in the division.
10:09And if one of your remaining six wins is against Seattle,
10:13then you're probably gonna win the division at 10 and seven.
10:15If they are also 10 and seven, you'd win that tiebreaker.
10:1910 more games and you're putting the over under
10:21at six and a half?
10:21Right.
10:22Can you win?
10:23Can you win seven more of your remaining 10?
10:26We know that they're really good in November and December.
10:29And you know you're gonna get more healthy.
10:32And you seem to think that this Sunday night
10:34is gonna be a layup.
10:35It's layup city against Dallas.
10:37That's less about a 49er compliment.
10:41And that is more a criticism.
10:42I think Dallas is awful.
10:44I think Dallas' defense is among the worst in the league.
10:47They cannot run the football.
10:48It's the most one-dimensional team in the entire NFL.
10:51And if you just stick Demo Lenore over there on CD Lamb
10:55and back him up with a safety,
10:56I don't know what the hell Dallas even offers
10:58the football game.
10:59Yeah.
11:00I don't even know what they offer.
11:01We can get into that because it's going to be
11:03Cowboys week here before too long.
11:05But right now we're still reflecting on this disaster.
11:08And I look at yesterday and I'm hard-pressed
11:10to see that team go to Green Bay, go to Buffalo,
11:13beat Detroit, and you know these are.
11:16Agree with you.
11:17These are some tough spots.
11:18But this team doesn't have to do that.
11:20They won't be that team.
11:21I don't know what, that's Thanksgiving.
11:23And I haven't even made my plans yet.
11:25So that means it's still a little ways away.
11:26Oh we're locked in already.
11:27I don't even know what,
11:28do you know what day you're leaving town?
11:29Oh no, we stay.
11:30Oh well whatever, whatever you're doing.
11:32Do you know what day you're doing it?
11:33Yeah, yeah.
11:34Okay. Oh yeah.
11:35You're hosting?
11:36The Pop Pop hosts.
11:37Yeah, he wrote a Thanksgiving cookbook.
11:39So this is his Super Bowl.
11:40Did he really?
11:41Oh yeah.
11:42Could you get me that?
11:43Yeah, it's actually.
11:43Give me a copy.
11:44I'll cook some stuff.
11:45It's Thanksgiving sides.
11:46It's all about the sides.
11:47Oh it's just the sides.
11:48Well that's kind of what Thanksgiving's all about.
11:49Correct.
11:50Yeah.
11:51His broccoli souffle is restaurant quality.
11:53Broccoli souffle.
11:54Broccoli souffle.
11:55Broccoli souffle.
11:56Yeah, that thing comes out of the oven
11:58and it doesn't fall until he says it's time to fall.
12:02But I bet there's an aroma there.
12:04That sounds like an aroma dish.
12:05It's incredible, yeah.
12:05It's good.
12:07Cooked broccoli doesn't always smell the best.
12:09No, but eat the souffle.
12:10He's got that souffle working.
12:11Anyway, I'll get you a copy of the cookbook.
12:14All right.
12:15Thanks for the wedding gift.
12:17Perfect, thank you.
12:18You're welcome.
12:19We'll be ready by 2028.
12:20Ryan in Irvine is next up.
12:24Hi Ryan, what are you doing?
12:27Hey guys.
12:27Hey, I'll be honest.
12:29I've been on hold for so long,
12:30I don't even remember what I wanted to say.
12:32Oh, it doesn't matter.
12:33Say whatever's on your mind.
12:34It's okay.
12:35Yeah, I've been thinking about
12:37what some of the callers have said
12:38and I agree with you in the sense that,
12:42I guess I have a little bit more measured take.
12:45First of all, we're not tanking.
12:48That's crazy.
12:50But we're also not winning a Super Bowl.
12:54And I think that's just the reality
12:56of the situation we're in.
12:57We're a pretty talented team.
13:00We have some pretty amazing, talented players,
13:03but I just, my personal thoughts are,
13:08I think Kyle Shanahan's a good coach,
13:10but more than likely in the Super Bowl,
13:12you're gonna be going against a really good coach.
13:15In the case of Kansas City, two amazing coaches.
13:18I mean, they have two head coaches on their staff, you know?
13:21Well, they're very good.
13:23I guess, Ryan, can we ask like,
13:25this would be my only question,
13:27because I think what you're saying right now
13:29makes all kinds of sense.
13:31But like, in sports, there's just bajillions of examples
13:37of teams that look like crap halfway through a season,
13:41and then something adjusts, somebody gets healthy,
13:45something changes, they go on a run.
13:48Every Super Bowl Eli Manning ever won,
13:51go check out where they were week seven.
13:53Do you know what I mean?
13:55Yeah, and who is their defensive coordinator?
13:58I mean, the guy that's now with Kansas City.
14:01So this is my thought.
14:05My thought is we're getting into this insanity realm
14:10where we think that we have enough data,
14:13we have enough information on Kyle Shanahan
14:15to know that if it comes down to him making certain calls,
14:20making certain adjustments throughout the game on offense,
14:25I just don't think that it's going to work.
14:28And so I don't have the answers.
14:30What I do know is that he has way too much power.
14:34He has control over who they draft,
14:37who runs the defense, what the scheme is of the defense,
14:42the offensive play calling.
14:44He's wearing so many hats.
14:46And so my initial thoughts are with that arrangement
14:52that he has in San Francisco, it just won't work.
14:56And you know the difference between Andy Reid,
14:58Andy couldn't get it done with Philly.
15:01And sometimes he stretched himself too thin.
15:04He had terrible time management, right?
15:07He lucked out by getting a second chance
15:10and by getting Mahomes.
15:12And I personally think one of the things
15:14that he learned from that experience
15:17is to have some humility and just trust people around him.
15:21Trust that, hey, I'm gonna get the best defensive mind
15:24that I can get, and I'm not even gonna worry
15:26about that side of the ball.
15:27Wait, but I'm gonna trust that the-
15:29But Ryan, do you think that Kyle has more power
15:32in the Niner organization than Andy has in Kansas City?
15:38I, first of all, the answer to that is yes.
15:41And secondly, I think it's because he wants the power.
15:45I don't think Andy wants that power.
15:47I think he trusts the people around him.
15:50I think Andy has that power.
15:53Ryan, thank you.
15:53We wanna get to everybody.
15:55Do you, is that true?
15:56And Kansas City has three head coaches, by the way,
15:58because Matt Nagy, the offensive coordinator,
16:00is a head coach, and Steve Spagnuolo,
16:03as Tom Brady would call him,
16:04he also has been a head coach, Spagnuolo.
16:07Matt Nagy is over there getting coffee for Andy.
16:09I mean, need not call him plays.
16:11So like-
16:12He'd probably call him plays, but he works with Andy.
16:14Yeah, like, I mean, the same way-
16:17The only thing that I look at Kyle with
16:18in terms of Andy is Andy does give his coordinators
16:22and his people a lot more control.
16:24I see Kyle over there with the play sheet,
16:26and I do think that sometimes he's too fixated
16:29on being an offensive coordinator,
16:31and I'm seeing problems with the special teams
16:34and problems with the defense,
16:35and I don't know how he goes about allocating his time
16:39as the head coach.
16:40Here's how, again, just perception.
16:42I have never been on the Kansas City Chiefs' sideline.
16:45Right.
16:46From what I've heard,
16:47I don't know if it's he gives more power to his coordinators.
16:51I think that Andy Reid might be a little more open-minded
16:53than Kyle Shanahan,
16:55because we've heard a lot where, like,
16:57Patrick or Travis will come over to Andy
17:00and be like, Andy, this is what will work.
17:02Let's do this.
17:03Have this guy run a, you know, bubble X, Y,
17:07like, whatever the hell you want to call it.
17:08I don't know the terminology.
17:10And Andy will be like, you guys think it'll work?
17:12Let's try it.
17:13Doesn't feel to me like that's something
17:15that Kyle's really into.
17:17Kyle's like, nah, thanks.
17:19We'll take that under advisement.
17:21Well, you saw it yesterday with the,
17:23Carson Wentz comes into the game,
17:25and, you know, all of a sudden he's now the quarterback,
17:27and Mahomes is behind him just chilling.
17:29Maybe more creativity or more,
17:31as I would call it, open-mindedness.
17:33So I guess that that's fair.
17:35But here's, for me, the larger question.
17:38I wonder how you'd answer this,
17:39because he says Kyle's got too much power,
17:42and it's, quote, not working.
17:43Well, whatever structure they've built
17:47over a six, six and a half year period now
17:49of Kyle Shanahan,
17:52that power structure has or has not been a good thing.
17:57Has it not worked?
17:58It's worked, but maybe it's limiting.
18:00And maybe it's gotten, like, as far as it can get.
18:03Maybe.
18:04And that's, you know, it's definitely speculation,
18:07but I look at things like an overtime coin toss decision
18:11and clock management, and again, yesterday,
18:14I didn't love the clock management
18:15at the end of the second quarter
18:16when you got down in the red zone
18:18and you only had one timeout,
18:19and you chose to throw on second down
18:21where you can run it on second down
18:23and you still have a timeout,
18:24and you had 35 seconds or so.
18:27I don't love a lot of the things that he does
18:29with the clock management,
18:30and I don't know if he has those checks and balances.
18:32Yeah, look, my perception is on the Chiefs,
18:36there are a few head coaches around the league
18:39who, like, it's their show.
18:41And I think the Niners are one of those.
18:43I think the Chiefs are, too.
18:45I know we've heard of the defensive coordinator
18:47a hell of a lot more,
18:48because he's got his lengthy, lengthy resume.
18:50But I don't know that he's doing things
18:52that the Niners defensive coaches aren't doing.
18:55Kyle's not over there being like,
18:57you're messing everything up on defense.
19:00I think lets the defensive coaches do their thing.
19:03He's had two defensive coordinators
19:04go on to be head coaches in this league.
19:06Yeah, one still has his job, too.
19:08And doing real well, you know?
19:10Anyway.