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00:00We're going to play Kyle Shanahan's press conference in its entirety, not too long from
00:04now.
00:05As soon as we've got this thing finished and all kind of set up for you.
00:09However, we've got a little teaser.
00:11We've got a teaser.
00:12A little taste?
00:13Yeah, just a little, just dip your toe in the water, if you will.
00:16Want to hear a little Shanahan?
00:18Love it.
00:19I'm told this has got some juice to it.
00:22Kyle, you just check.
00:23All right, here we go.
00:24We were pissed off from yesterday.
00:25That was a tough loss.
00:26We had every chance to win it, and we didn't get it done.
00:31So I think guys were disappointed and upset, but I mean, we all know each other pretty
00:35well in here.
00:36We understand our expectations, and we just had a good team meeting, addressed a bunch
00:40of the fourth quarter, kind of watched it all together.
00:43And then we broke up in our position meetings, but I think guys are pissed and ready to put
00:47that game behind us.
00:48Today's always a hard day to deal with it because of some of the frustration of what
00:51happened.
00:52And now I think our guys can't wait to get to Green Bay as fast as we can.
00:55Okay.
00:56Instant reaction.
00:59We've already heard that press conference.
01:01Exactly.
01:02I was just thinking the same thing.
01:03I'm tired of hearing about how angry you are after a loss.
01:07We already heard that we're mad, but we know each other and we know what we have to do
01:10press conference.
01:11I've already heard it twice.
01:12I've already heard it twice.
01:15It's November now.
01:17You're after the bye.
01:18It's the second half.
01:20It's a division game on your field, all of those things.
01:25You ran out of whoops, we messed up games.
01:30You ran out of them.
01:31You didn't have any left.
01:35That was the one.
01:36You can't do that.
01:39I hope they prove me wrong.
01:41Go beat Green Bay and Buffalo and I'll be like, no, actually they do.
01:46What a group.
01:47Right.
01:48What a reaction.
01:49Unbelievable.
01:50Bravo.
01:52But how many times are you going to do this this year?
01:55Oh, we're all very mad.
01:57Oh, good.
01:59I'm glad you're mad.
02:02I think everybody listening to our show is too.
02:04Exactly.
02:05That's why we have full phones of people who are just as mad.
02:09And if you hadn't blown these three games, and yesterday wasn't as much of a blown game
02:13as it was Arizona and LA, but if you were a two right now, then we'd be having different
02:18conversations about Detroit and Philly and the Niners, the Elites and the NFC.
02:24Instead, we're having to, again on a Monday, listen to the head coach talk about, gee,
02:29how mad we are.
02:30And we just all watch the fourth quarter and heck, we want to get to Green Bay as fast
02:35as we can.
02:36You got to scheme it up, man.
02:38You and I talk about this number a lot.
02:39For me, it's always the same number.
02:41It's 25.
02:42You don't need a pretty 30, but you do need 25.
02:46And in fact, I'd even usually accept 24.
02:49That's a winning number in the National Football League.
02:52You did get there once and lose this year.
02:54That was against the Rams.
02:56You lost 27 to 24.
02:58But when the 49ers get to 25, they don't lose.
03:01You don't lose.
03:02Period.
03:03I mean, set your watch to it.
03:05Lawler's law.
03:06We'll see the Clippers here in a few hours.
03:09Get to 25, you're going to win the football game.
03:13Might be uncomfortable sometimes, Dallas Cowboys, but whatever.
03:18And I don't think with what you've got offensively, I don't think that's too much to ask.
03:23Sometimes it'll rain.
03:24Sometimes it'll this, that, or the other.
03:25You play great defense.
03:27Maybe you got to grind out a 23 to 20 game like you did against Tampa just a week ago.
03:32But the bottom line is, you get 25, you win.
03:36And they haven't been doing it enough.
03:38There's too many 17s and 20s in there.
03:40And it's because of a couple things for me.
03:43One, your red zone for the majority of the year has not been good.
03:46You haven't scored touchdowns.
03:48The opener, you had six field goals against the Jets.
03:50And the other thing is these penalties and these mistakes.
03:53And I'm just looking at the last drive before the end of the first half where you get it
03:59first and 10 at Seattle's 34, two minute warning.
04:03You have a full rack of timeouts.
04:05You're at their 34.
04:06You're in control.
04:07Go score a touchdown.
04:09Start McKivitts.
04:10Pretty sacked.
04:11McKivitts.
04:12Then back-to-back plays by Maffei.
04:14The deflected one at the line and then he knocks one away.
04:17Knocks one over the middle.
04:18And it's fourth and 23 at the 47 and now you have to punt.
04:22So you go from the 34, in business, full rack of timeouts, all right.
04:28Even if you have to settle for three there, you're going to eat the whole clock and that's
04:31going to do it.
04:32But instead, you back that thing up and you end up punting.
04:35Seattle doesn't score, but the point is 24 points.
04:38You're talking about leaving points out there.
04:40That's another drive where you just messed it up.
04:44I always enjoy listening to the national broadcasters because they can speak to a fan base in a
04:52way that we can't speak to each other because we're emotional.
04:57And I heard Tom Brady do this last week and I heard Joe Davis and Greg Olson do this this
05:02week.
05:03And if they're sitting there going, wow, this must be frustrating for 49er fans.
05:10They're saying that.
05:11They don't give a rip.
05:13That's the Dodgers announcer.
05:16That is the Los Angeles Dodgers announcer.
05:19That's a good job.
05:21He's a pretty good broadcaster.
05:22Yeah.
05:23They have a habit of that there.
05:26That's the Dodgers announcer.
05:29And he's sitting there going, wow, that's frustrating.
05:33Yeah.
05:34Yes, it is.
05:37And if those sort of objective voices, if they feel that way, how do you think we all
05:44feel?
05:45And then how do you think?
05:46And I'm not saying Kyle should have said anything different there because that's just reality.
05:52But I'm sorry, it just sort of doesn't land.
05:55It doesn't land to hear, hey, we know we messed up.
05:57We're mad.
05:58We're mad.
05:59But we know we know ourselves.
06:02And so now we know what we have to.
06:03No, no, no.
06:04Yesterday it was already that we know what we have to do game that we already were out
06:09of the by.
06:10You already had four losses.
06:12All of the games were the we know what we have to do games.
06:16You were going to lose some of them because you got good teams on the schedule.
06:18Yesterday wasn't one of them.
06:20You didn't have any more room to do that.
06:22All right.
06:24Let's go to Ulysses and Marin.
06:25Hi, Ulysses.
06:26Thank you for calling.
06:27Thank you for waiting.
06:28No, thank you guys for taking my call.
06:33So I'm just walking out doing a little something right now.
06:37So anyway, it comes down to the same, the same two things.
06:46It always comes down to men.
06:48It's play, calling and execution.
06:51And McCaffrey, obviously you can't just come back and be the same guy.
06:56How about, how about some two running back sets, man?
06:59I really like Mason a lot about, we just throw a wrinkle.
07:03It doesn't have to be for the whole game, but maybe a couple of drives, a little two
07:06running back set, you know, just mix things up.
07:10Mason is very, very good.
07:12Maybe they can play off of each other.
07:13Maybe a little bit of that Detroit situation they got going on, you know we just, we just
07:18got to make better play calls, I feel, or at least mix it up a little bit.
07:22And then the guy's got to execute.
07:25I've seen a lot of missed tackles, a lot of missed blocks, and it's just things I'm not
07:30really used to seeing from, from our team, you know, so I just think it just comes down
07:35to the basics, man.
07:37The basics.
07:38Yeah.
07:39Ulysses, I'm with you.
07:40Like, here's what I would give the Niners wiggle room on with regard to all these injuries.
07:44If you became a less dominant team and you did need to kind of grind a little bit more,
07:50like last year, it was just like, we're here.
07:53There's the 30 points.
07:54What are you going to do about it?
07:55Now it's like, do you need to grind out some 24 to 21 games?
08:00Somebody going to make a run at you and you got to hold them off.
08:03Like if you had to do that because of the injuries, okay, okay.
08:07I get it.
08:09Lots of no Christian, lots of no George and Debo and Dre, and I get all of that, but too
08:15often it goes to the next step where you have outplayed a team all day long.
08:22This opportunity, that opportunity, and it's the two U words.
08:28It's undisciplined, and the other one's two more words, but, and underperforming.
08:33It's just, you are, you are undisciplined and, and you are, you are clearly going out
08:41there and getting less production, less output than the numbers and what the eye tests suggest
08:50we should be seeing.
08:52And that's what, so like, no, the injuries, I'm sorry, you don't get to use those when
08:57you're out there out playing everybody, but then coughing games up.
09:00Yeah.
09:01And yesterday was another example where you didn't really outplay Seattle, but you got
09:06yourself in a position where you should have won.
09:08And I was just looking at the ESPN win probability.
09:12And when you get a penalty with three minutes to go, you have a 90% chance of winning that
09:18game.
09:19When CMC and they had holding on the defense and he goes for one yard and you get a free
09:23five and it's three minutes left, 90% chance to win.
09:27And yet you found a way to lose.
09:28And it's the third game where you've been that late in the game and your win probability
09:33has been well above 90 or 90 or higher.
09:35And yet you found a way to lose games.
09:37And so you're right.
09:38A game like that yesterday, you needed to find a way to grind it out and win.
09:43Get points on that last drive.
09:45Make Gino score a touchdown to force overtime, not to beat you had you at least gotten a
09:51field goal.
09:52And then Gino goes down.
09:53Fine.
09:5420 to 20.
09:55We have overtime.
09:56Hopefully we can figure out how to get this done.
09:57But instead you got to punch it away.
09:59And Granny with a great point earlier where Seattle had nobody back.
10:03I just was watching it again.
10:05They had nine on the line and two out wide.
10:07All you have to do is push that thing pump pumps it into the four yard line.
10:12It goes in the end zone, 22 yard net, setting them up to beat you.
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10:30We'll give you the Shanahan in full in just about 15 minutes here.
10:34But let's keep talking to you, Scott and Marine.
10:36You're next.
10:37Hi, Scott.
10:38Thanks for calling.
10:39Oh, good afternoon.
10:40Good.
10:41Yeah.
10:42You know, just listening to you guys talk about the injuries.
10:45Nothing.
10:46This is one of those seasons where what can go wrong has gone wrong.
10:50You know, it's just they've been due for something like this.
10:54You know, they've had a lot of success in the last five years and didn't get over the
10:57hump.
10:58And this is this is sometimes what happens.
11:00I mean, they lose Hargrave and they don't have green law.
11:04They don't.
11:05They lose.
11:06Are you.
11:07I mean, you know, Trent Williams is playing on one leg yesterday.
11:12No kiddo.
11:13Debo is not the same player either.
11:16And so it's all kind of it all kind of adds up to mediocrity and then your specialty is
11:21it's killed you too.
11:22And so there is responsibility on the coaching staff for sure.
11:26Now, Kyle is not scheming people open right now and there's been adjustments in this league
11:32to this offense.
11:33There's no question about it.
11:34But when they can't run the football, you know, there's no kiddo there yesterday and
11:39Williams hurt and McCaffrey is not McCaffrey yet if he's going to be, I don't know.
11:46But they can't run the football that puts a lot on Brock and he's doing whatever he
11:52can with his legs because they're not giving him a whole lot of time to throw the football.
11:56And, you know, that pass where he threw that was the second down to Debo over the middle
12:01and kind of went high right over his head.
12:05But I looked at that.
12:06I looked at the replay on that and the defensive, the tackle up front got his paw up and Purdy
12:13had to throw the ball over his hand.
12:15So, you know, it's just it's just little things that cost them.
12:18It cost them the Super Bowl.
12:19Somebody missing a block.
12:21You know, it's just they just can't quite get over that.
12:24And you can't you know, you can't really compare organizations and complain about Steve Kerr
12:28and those kind of things.
12:29Those guys got four rings in their pocket.
12:32You know, if there should be a whole lot different Kyle had a ring in his pocket.
12:37Oh, completely.
12:38What are you going to have to deal with completely?
12:40But Scott, I'll say this.
12:41Thanks so much.
12:42I mean, there are all those things that you mentioned are are real.
12:46However, there's no such thing as a football season that doesn't have a journey that comes
12:50with it.
12:52All these teams are all dealing with crap.
12:54All of them.
12:55The Lions have lost two of their top defenders.
12:57Their second receiver got suspended for the second time in his career.
13:01The Chiefs have lost their entire receiving core and they're running back and you got
13:05like just because and someone put a paw up in his face.
13:09Guess what?
13:10That's football.
13:11Then you got to go to option B or C or whatever.
13:16Hell, the Niners would have been better off on that play having Brock just dive to the
13:20line of scrimmage and keep the clock moving.
13:23Exactly.
13:24Then huck the ball over everybody's head.
13:26Scott's right, though.
13:27Watching it back, the defensive tackle puts the hand up and what Brock has done really
13:31well this year has been able to layer throws and finesse it.
13:34But this one, he just airmailed it because he's had a lot of passes get knocked down
13:38at the line.
13:39I look at Kyle Shanahan and think, how about you roll him out?
13:44How about we get some design rollouts and the play that Juwan scored the touchdown on
13:48was a play action reverse boot.
13:51He goes to his left and he finds Juwan Jennings.
13:54If you have a quarterback who's getting a lot of passes knocked down and it feels like
13:58there's two or three every game that get tipped or deflected and whatnot, roll the guy out.
14:04Make it easy on him instead of having him try to throw over six, five guys.
14:08Let's keep going.
14:09We've got Patrick in South City.
14:11Hi, Patrick.
14:12Thank you for the call.
14:13Hey, guys.
14:14How you doing today?
14:15What's up?
14:16You know, I think I've watched every play of this team, every game for the last five
14:20years.
14:21I want to make some points here.
14:22And I said it before, this myth that's in the media and so forth that Kyle Shanahan
14:28is an offensive genius is nonsense.
14:31For example, when is the last time you saw the Niners do a two tight end set or a two
14:35back set or a screen play or a slant or an end around or a flea flicker or a fake pun
14:41or a fake field goal or a counter play?
14:43I haven't seen them, you know.
14:45And number two, his track record indicates that he's not an offensive genius.
14:50And why I say that is because if you guys know this, it's always been the defense that's
14:55bailed him out for his, you know, his play calling ineptitude, right?
14:59We've always had a strong front seven and a decent secondary.
15:04And when John Lynch made the decision not to really put a lot of real talent up front,
15:11that's why I think you've seen the Niners struggle this year.
15:13All this talk about player personnel and injury, it's all nonsense.
15:17If we had the defense that we had, you know, the last three, four years, even with Kyle
15:23calling terrible offenses and terrible plays, it's always seemed to bail out the Niners,
15:28right?
15:29But now we don't have that.
15:30And that's where I think the misconnect is.
15:33Patrick, thank you for the call.
15:34Come on, man.
15:36Come on.
15:37And they do a ton of two running backs.
15:40Kyle Juszczyk played 37% of the snaps and he's a running back.
15:46And they normally do a lot of two tight ends, but they only had one tight end yesterday
15:50that they really felt like they could play.
15:52I really don't want to get into the hole because I don't know who said this and made everybody
15:57freak out.
15:58I don't care if you want to call Kyle Shanahan a genius or not.
16:03He's a football coach.
16:05The 49ers scored 491 points last year.
16:10They didn't get, quote, bailed out by their defense.
16:14I saw them down 24 to 7 at halftime of the NFC Championship game.
16:19They didn't get bailed out by their defense.
16:23I'm not even refuting the idea that the Niners have, in recent years, had a really good defense.
16:29Yes, that's part of the plan.
16:32That's part of the plan is to have a great pass rush.
16:34That is a Kyle Shanahan.
16:35So you're telling me the plan for a team is to have a good offense and a good defense?
16:39That's the hope.
16:40That's the hope.
16:41But this idea that Kyle Shanahan has just been bee-bopping his way through offensive
16:46coordinator jobs and head coaching jobs in the NFL for the better part of 20 years now,
16:52had 28 points at halftime of the Super Bowl, which you all want to hang that around his
16:56neck, but you don't want to give him credit for the number of points they scored.
17:01Now he's being carried?
17:03Now he's being carried by a defense that he's got nothing to do with, supposedly?
17:08I'm sorry.
17:09No.
17:10Last year, they were second in the league in points.
17:12The year before that, fifth.
17:13The year before that, seventh.
17:16The year before that was the injury year.
17:17So we'll discount that because they had no quarterback.
17:20And then the other year, they went to the Super Bowl, they were fourth.
17:22So they've been top seven in every year over the last six.
17:26Oh, and by the way, they are eighth right now in points this year.
17:30Lucas has already got it on Twitter, and so I will stand by this, quote, you're not doing
17:37a good job right now.
17:39He's not having a good year.
17:41But please, my opinion, I would not let this year, I would not let you use that as evidence
17:50that now Kyle Shanahan doesn't know what he's doing, doesn't know how to call a play.
17:54That's crazy.
17:55I agree with that part of it, but I also want to make sure that I'm clear when I say if
18:00this continues and the offense continues to be mediocre and bland and stale, you need
18:07to do something going into next year that is different.
18:10I agree with you completely.
18:11I wouldn't even wait for next year.
18:13How about Sunday?
18:14That'd be a good time to do it.
18:16What the hell do you have to lose now?
18:19I'm talking about, from a coaching standpoint, bringing in some fresh eyes or a fresh voice,
18:24somebody to help him or guide him, because what I'm seeing from this offense is not very
18:31dynamic.
18:32The caller was partially right in things that we're not ever going to see a lot of the trickeration,
18:39like what Andy Reid does when they do ring around the Rosie and you've got tight ends
18:44or even taking direct snaps.
18:45Even Dan Campbell.
18:46They get crazy.
18:47It's not what Kyle does.
18:48Kyle likes to run a very solid 21 personnel, two running backs, and yesterday I don't think
18:54that he adjusted to the loss of Kittle very well.
18:56I agree with you.
18:57Yeah.
18:58I don't think he's having a great year.
18:59I do remember that it was just January of this year, though, that Dan Campbell and Kyle
19:03Shanahan matched wits and Dan Campbell was the one that walked out of there with fried
19:06egg all over his forehead.
19:08Probably not his fault.
19:09When you've got a wide receiver wide open on fourth down and he drops the football.
19:13That's fair.
19:14However, those are the chances that you didn't need to take that chance.
19:17You're right.
19:18You're taking that chance.
19:19Was that Reynolds?
19:20Josh Reynolds?
19:21Yeah.
19:22You didn't need to take that chance.
19:23Yep.
19:24Kick the field goal.
19:25It worked.
19:26Anyway.
19:27The play worked.
19:28The play call worked.
19:29But it didn't.
19:30But it didn't.
19:31Exactly.
19:32John in Berkeley.
19:33Hi, John.
19:34Thanks for the call.
19:35Hey, fellas.
19:36How you guys doing?
19:37Good, man.
19:38What's up?
19:39Good.
19:40Thanks.
19:41Hey, I think, you know, the jury is in on this guy.
19:42I mean, my gosh.
19:44I mean, this guy couldn't lead a horse to water if, you know, water was in his backyard.
19:48Who's this guy, John?
19:49Are we talking about Kyle Shanahan?
19:52The head coach and the GM to a lesser extent.
19:55I mean, you know, I think the governors on the team, the ownership has bought too much
19:59stock into these guys.
20:00You know, this Super Bowl hangover is a real deal.
20:03You know, I've worked with, you know, former, you know, ballplayers or professionally, not
20:08in NFL capacity, but just, you know, like general work.
20:12And they've all told me, you know, like the Super Bowl thing is, I mean, the NFL life
20:16is short.
20:17You know, it's so they're really banking on past, you know, accomplishments and, you
20:21know, but somebody needs to hold their feet to the fire and say, you know, either we make
20:25a change or we're not, you know, this is we're not talking about the Arizona Cardinals
20:31here, folks.
20:32We're not talking about the Jacksonville Jaguars.
20:34John, stand on what you say.
20:36Stand on what you do.
20:38Are you suggesting right now that the 49ers fire Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch at the end
20:44of the season?
20:45Yes.
20:46OK, because, you know, if they were to have not a winning season, then I mean, what else
20:50is more?
20:51I know there's injuries.
20:52Everybody goes through it.
20:53But, you know, I just don't see the barking, you know, leadership.
20:55I know his dad was a great coach and all.
20:58You know, he just did it through through, you know, different style.
21:01But I just think Coach Shanahan, you know, Kyle, I'm talking.
21:04I'm sure he's a good guy.
21:07I just don't see that, you know, leadership quality.
21:09But no points for the last five years?
21:11None?
21:12No, because he's made bonehead mistakes.
21:15Look, the overtime rule.
21:16I mean, are you kidding me?
21:17I would have fired him right there.
21:18That's one.
21:19Number two, I mean, you know, just like all the times when they did win, it wasn't because
21:24they won because of Shanahan.
21:25You can't say, well, you know, didn't take available points and they would have lost
21:30by a field goal.
21:31No, they've always blown teams out.
21:33John, thank you.
21:35And Kyle gets no credit for blowing them out.
21:37That was just like he just he was along for the ride.
21:40No doubt.
21:41You know, CMAC is not the same.
21:43You know, like I said, NFL life is fast.
21:46Tell you what, John, appreciate you.
21:48I sure would hate to be your kid.
21:51Yeah, bring home a B minus and you're out.
21:53No, no, no.
21:54If it goes well, it was everybody else.
21:57If it goes bad, well, that's you, dummy.
22:00I just I'll never doubt it.
22:02We can have this conversation.
22:04Oh, and we land on it.
22:05And we are.
22:06He's having a bad year.
22:09I'm just telling you on this show, I'm speaking for me.
22:14I'm going to have a hard time.
22:17If your point is Kyle's sucked all along and now we're seeing it and he gets no credit
22:25for any of the wins from the last five years.
22:28But every time something doesn't go right, it's all his fault.
22:31If that's your take, I'm personally going to have a hard time.
22:36I am, too.
22:37But I also am going to make sure that I'm firm in saying if this continues, something
22:43has to change.
22:44Doesn't mean that John and Kyle lose their jobs, but it means you either reshuffle responsibilities
22:50or you add somebody to the mix because what you're doing is not working.
22:54That's fair.
22:55He's having a rough year.