Jay King, Jam Packard, and Brian Robb break down the Celtics season outlook, opening night, what lies ahead for Lonnie Walker and make their predictions for the Celtics and NBA season.
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00:00:43I just had to go to the bathroom
00:00:45Welcome back to Still Possible, the best Celtics podcast here on Al Gore's interweb
00:00:52I am Sam Jam Packer
00:00:54Somebody else made the claim that they have the best Celtics podcast
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00:01:06I may have to discuss that topic on Tuesday night after the game with someone who's made such a claim
00:01:11But we'll see, we'll see
00:01:13That was Jay King from the Athletic
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00:01:57Chat who are there throughout all the games
00:02:00Talking Cs, talking nonsense
00:02:02We got J-Mail, Jay King answering questions for you every single day
00:02:06And we got a lot of voicemails now, thank you guys for loading those up
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00:02:13Because Jay can keep answering questions for days
00:02:15The number is 617-684-5965
00:02:19Fellas, we're going to get into some preseason predictions later
00:02:23I guess just the season is here, so predictions for the season
00:02:26I got a blind ranking again for you guys
00:02:29We're going to preview a little bit of Banner Knight and Nick's Celtics
00:02:34But first we got to talk about the big news
00:02:36The big news of all preseason
00:02:39It was not meant to be with Lonnie Walker, he got waived
00:02:42They were not willing to pay the $10 million price
00:02:45Jay, were you surprised by this deal at all?
00:02:48Or lack of deal?
00:02:50No, no, not at all
00:02:53Despite the reputation Lonnie Walker has among fans
00:03:00I'm not certain that his reputation is the same among GMs
00:03:07And front offices around the league
00:03:10That's why the Celtics were able to get him on an Exhibit 10 contract
00:03:14Which essentially amounts to a training camp invitation
00:03:17With the possibility of going to the G League
00:03:20That's why they're still, I think, optimistic
00:03:25That he will end up in Maine and not get claimed by another NBA team
00:03:30So no, I was not surprised
00:03:33But he did have a pretty solid preseason
00:03:36He has a lot of talent still at age 25
00:03:39It's just paying $11 million or $12 million for a 15th man
00:03:46Is a lot of money
00:03:48A lot of money
00:03:50It really is
00:03:51And I think that's the reason too
00:03:53You look around the league right now, Jay
00:03:55Teams, I don't think there's a ton of worry that he is going to get claimed right now
00:03:59It could happen, but a lot of teams have their rosters full
00:04:02Or they're keeping 14 guys for a reason
00:04:04Because they are close to the luxury tax
00:04:07Or they just want that extra flexibility like the Celtics do
00:04:10So yeah, I think the fact that Walker even admitted to us a few weeks ago
00:04:16Like, yeah, I could spend some time in Maine
00:04:18He knew this was probably where this was headed
00:04:21And now, if he does end up going there, that's great news for the Celtics
00:04:27Maine Celtics, get your tickets now
00:04:29That's going to be a fun team to watch this year
00:04:31And we'll see what happens down the line of Jaden Springer
00:04:34And other parts of this roster
00:04:36Maybe Lonnie Walker will be waiting there after the trade deadline
00:04:39To be a nice little mid-season addition if they go in that direction
00:04:44How does that work?
00:04:46Now that he's maybe on the Maine Celtics
00:04:49If he doesn't get signed by another team before
00:04:51We're currently Sunday night
00:04:52I think we have teams on Monday to finalize their roster
00:04:55I just don't know the mechanics of
00:04:57Now that he's, I guess, will be a Maine Celtic and not on the team
00:05:00How often do they...
00:05:02If they bring him up for an extended period, do they have to sign him?
00:05:04Is it at a lesser cost?
00:05:06What are the mechanics of using that?
00:05:08Because it's different than a two-way guy
00:05:10Yeah, so if he's on the Maine Celtics
00:05:12He's signed to a G League contract
00:05:14So he can't come up and play for...
00:05:16He's there, maybe he could practice against the Celtics
00:05:19Something like that
00:05:20He'll be fully integrated in their system
00:05:23But he can't play for the season
00:05:25Unless they actually sign him to a real deal
00:05:27So it's a matter of...
00:05:29The Celtics have his...
00:05:30And he's not eligible for a two-way contract
00:05:32He's not exactly...
00:05:33He's aged out of that
00:05:34So that's not there
00:05:35If it was a couple of years ago, he could have done that
00:05:36But he's aged out of that now
00:05:37So now it's just waiting for the Celtics or another team to say
00:05:41Hey, you've killed it in the G League for the last month or two
00:05:44We think we're ready to bring you back
00:05:46And there's going to be a lot of guys like him around the league
00:05:50In that void right now, it seems like
00:05:52Because making these rosters is covering for these fringe guys
00:05:57That are coming off rookie deals
00:05:59And don't have a desirable all-around skill set to NBA teams
00:06:04And if they signed him again from that G League contract
00:06:07It would be the veteran minimum
00:06:08And pro-rated
00:06:09And they'd still have to pay all that tax money
00:06:12I wonder what type of player he would be in the G League
00:06:17Obviously, he'd be productive
00:06:19I don't think there's any doubt about that
00:06:21But would he go in there with the same mentality
00:06:23That he took to the Boston training camp?
00:06:26Which is like, I want to work on everything that's limited me
00:06:29So far in the NBA
00:06:30That every doubt that NBA teams have about my game
00:06:33I want to work on my playmaking, my defense
00:06:35I want to be like Derek White and Drew Holiday
00:06:37Is he going to continue that mindset while he's in the G League?
00:06:40Or is he going to be like, you know what?
00:06:41Let me just go get 35
00:06:43Because I can't get 35
00:06:45I'm more talented than almost all these guys
00:06:47So let me just cook
00:06:49I don't know
00:06:50And I think the answer to that could determine
00:06:53How successful his comeback attempt is
00:06:56If he's not claimed by another team right away
00:06:58I think that's the ultimate test for him, right?
00:07:01That you just laid out, Jay
00:07:02That's it
00:07:03It's been a while since I've dropped Nick Friedman's name on the podcast
00:07:07But Nick Friedman, longtime coach in the G League
00:07:09A couple of minutes
00:07:11When I talk to him about the G League
00:07:13He's like, all those guys have the talent to be in the league
00:07:18But a lot of it is just mindset of dealing with the G League
00:07:21And dealing with, one, you're so close
00:07:25And you need to do those little things that the organization wants you to do
00:07:28But especially for a guy like Lonnie Walker
00:07:30You're going from private flights every night
00:07:33Now you're taking buses a lot of places
00:07:35And not the best accommodations
00:07:39And so I think it's definitely going to be an adjustment
00:07:42Mentality-wise, mindset-wise
00:07:44And he came in and he said all the right things
00:07:46And has very much been focused on putting the work in
00:07:48But I think you're right, Jay
00:07:49It's a big question
00:07:50As this fringe player, as a quadruple-A, as they call it
00:07:55What's your approach in the G League?
00:07:57Because that's really what's going to separate him
00:08:01And be the defining factor of whether or not he gets that next NBA opportunity
00:08:07And to follow up, Patrick, on your question about the contract stuff
00:08:11It could be like last year with Keita
00:08:13He got signed the last week of the regular season
00:08:15The last two weeks
00:08:18It's only on the roster for two weeks
00:08:20That's only $100,000 or something like that
00:08:22So that could be a situation where
00:08:24Again, if the Celtics are really tight up against the Captain
00:08:27They might wait to fill that 15th spot
00:08:29But eventually be willing to do that
00:08:31When it's not a $2 million plus all the penalties
00:08:34It's a lot easier to pay if it's just a couple hundred grand
00:08:37And then you can pay the penalties on that
00:08:39But you obviously could keep the rights to him long-term in that situation
00:08:44The people who might be paying that money at the end of the season
00:08:47We gotta talk about random new ownership rumors
00:08:50Random new ownership rumors!
00:08:52Two billionaires I've never heard of before
00:08:55Might buy the Boston Celtics
00:08:57And one of them kinda already owns the Boston Celtics
00:09:00Do you guys know anything about Hale and Bezos?
00:09:03Not the Bezos you're thinking of, though
00:09:05I got nothing besides names
00:09:09Yeah, one's a partial owner
00:09:11We don't know
00:09:13There's obviously a lot of owners of the Celtics right now
00:09:16And clearly a lot of guys that own
00:09:18Decent equity beyond just pags
00:09:22But I don't know
00:09:23The brother of Bezos
00:09:25That's a real wild card in there
00:09:27Do not need to see that name emerging again
00:09:30Within the family
00:09:31I wonder how that would
00:09:33Whether he'd try to get his brother involved
00:09:36To pay the taxes for the next couple years
00:09:38I think he's independently wealthy
00:09:41Okay, I looked at his Wikipedia page
00:09:43And I'm out already on Mark Bezos
00:09:45His description is
00:09:46Mark Bezos is an American space tourist
00:09:50That's a pretty dope thing, isn't it?
00:09:53Nah, I mean, where's he going?
00:09:55He is a space tourist, a volunteer firefighter
00:09:58And a former advertising executive
00:10:00According to Wikipedia
00:10:02That's a trifecta right there
00:10:03That's an amazing trifecta
00:10:05The man just fights fires for free
00:10:07And then
00:10:09Goes to explore space
00:10:12Just for fun
00:10:13Well, he went with Jeff, right?
00:10:15He's the Nepo sibling
00:10:17Nah, I don't want him
00:10:18I want some guy who earned his money through
00:10:20You know, regular firefighter work
00:10:22Not this volunteer stuff
00:10:24That's a ridiculous take
00:10:27I guess it's good that the Hale guy
00:10:29That currently owns the Celtics
00:10:30And maybe it would be less changed
00:10:32But I have no idea
00:10:34They're supposed to be opening up their books
00:10:35And all the financials
00:10:36And we'll probably get more random leaks
00:10:38To people who are interested in
00:10:40Purchasing the Celtics
00:10:42This rumor was in the Boston Globe
00:10:44So we gotta
00:10:46And that's what we do around here
00:10:48Gotta report any sort of breaking news
00:10:50So that's what I did
00:10:52And then we did some very cogent analysis
00:10:54If I don't say so myself
00:10:56I can't believe you
00:10:58You chastise him for being a space tourist
00:11:02Like what a sick thing to be
00:11:04We should be doing space for science
00:11:06It shouldn't be just the frills of the elite
00:11:08Of billionaires just going and dancing in space
00:11:10Why not?
00:11:12Because
00:11:14We built this country on NASA
00:11:16And scientific exploration
00:11:18And getting to the moon
00:11:20Not because it was easy, because it was hard
00:11:22JFK propelled this country
00:11:24To greatness
00:11:26And all the things we discovered
00:11:28Because of NASA
00:11:30What greatness came from that?
00:11:32It's called winning the Cold War
00:11:34JFK, where have you been for the last 30 years?
00:11:36Was that because
00:11:38They walked on the moon?
00:11:40It certainly helped
00:11:42How do you think the Ruskies felt
00:11:44When they saw our flag on the moon?
00:11:46Also space ice cream?
00:11:48That's what you eat
00:11:50When you're a space tourist
00:11:52Infrared thermometers?
00:11:54Space blankets?
00:11:56You want me to go through the 20 inventions
00:11:58We wouldn't have without space travel?
00:12:00I just think you're drastically
00:12:02Overestimating
00:12:04I do want you to do that
00:12:06I think you're drastically
00:12:08Overestimating just a rich guy
00:12:10Going into space
00:12:12It's not like he's the one doing any of the science
00:12:14He's just a super wealthy person
00:12:16LEDs? CAT scans?
00:12:18Scratch resistant lenses?
00:12:20Camera phones, Jay?
00:12:22This is all because of NASA
00:12:24Bezos hasn't done any of this
00:12:26Athletic shoes?
00:12:28Come on, buddy
00:12:30I mean, once
00:12:38Alright, folks
00:12:40Basketball season's here
00:12:42Enough for the silliness
00:12:44We're probably going to continue doing that
00:12:46We've got actual basketball coming
00:12:48Tuesday night
00:12:50Celtics vs. the Knicks
00:12:52What are we anticipating
00:12:54From this banner night?
00:12:56I was talking with B-Rob before the show, Jay
00:12:58Did you watch everything from banner night in 2009?
00:13:00Or was it, I guess, 2008?
00:13:02I was not there
00:13:04I was in college
00:13:06Yeah, but you love ball
00:13:08You must have been watching
00:13:10I'm sure I watched their game
00:13:12I don't remember who they played
00:13:14Don't remember much about it
00:13:16If anything
00:13:18I want to see what the Cavs
00:13:20Cavs would make sense
00:13:22Cavs would make sense
00:13:24Are you expecting any guests?
00:13:26Any surprise people in the audience?
00:13:28Have you seen the rings at all?
00:13:32Who gets a ring?
00:13:34What's going on on banner night?
00:13:36What are you guys hearing?
00:13:38You guys are on the beat
00:13:40I have yet to see the rings
00:13:42I've heard that there are different tiers of rings
00:13:44For different types of people
00:13:46Whether it's players
00:13:48Staffers, whoever
00:13:50I think it's going to be
00:13:52A pretty
00:13:54Gaudy ring
00:13:56Very expensive ring
00:13:58I think they're going to try to
00:14:00Establish a new standard for
00:14:02NBA rings
00:14:04Which I feel like every team tries to do that
00:14:06You just try to outdo the person who did it before you
00:14:08The rings are kind of ridiculous
00:14:10But
00:14:12Should be fun
00:14:14Should be a good night
00:14:16I think it'll be a good challenge for the Celtics
00:14:18To refocus themselves quickly
00:14:20After
00:14:22The milestone
00:14:24Of getting your ring
00:14:26And
00:14:28It's also
00:14:30It's not normal for
00:14:32Almost everybody
00:14:34Almost every player who will get a ring
00:14:36To actually be with the team still
00:14:38So it should be
00:14:40Kind of
00:14:42Not unique in that regard
00:14:44But pretty rare to have
00:14:46I think it's
00:14:4812 players back, 13 players back
00:14:50From last season's team
00:14:52Will O'Shea Brissett be in town?
00:14:54And
00:14:56Does everyone circle on their calendars
00:14:58When the Jazz come to play for the Sphe ring ceremony?
00:15:00Absolutely
00:15:02Yes
00:15:04I did talk to
00:15:06A Celtics
00:15:08PR person
00:15:10Who said there will be
00:15:12A decent amount of 08'ers in the building
00:15:14And I assume even
00:15:16Other legends that are still there
00:15:18Will be a fun part of the night
00:15:20But I'm very much looking forward to
00:15:22I throw it to you guys
00:15:24Is Joe Mazzullo going to be willing to talk about
00:15:26Ring night after the game at all?
00:15:28Or is that just going to be
00:15:32Moving forward at this point?
00:15:34I think Mazzullo's pissed off that it's happening at all
00:15:36I think he's very moved on to
00:15:38This season is different
00:15:40And I think he'll be annoyed that there's a distraction
00:15:44I don't know
00:15:46I mean
00:15:48He's unpredictable
00:15:50That's what I'm asking
00:15:52I can see it going both ways
00:15:54I can see him not wanting to
00:15:56Disrespect the ring
00:15:58And not wanting to
00:16:00Just poo-poo it
00:16:02Just because
00:16:04A lot went into those rings
00:16:06And I think he'll
00:16:08I actually think he'll be
00:16:10Gracious in that moment
00:16:12After the game about it
00:16:14But
00:16:16I think he's going to dismiss the ring as a false idol
00:16:18And something that you should not worship
00:16:20That would just be my guess
00:16:24Why is it a false idol?
00:16:26Seems to me like the only idol you should worship
00:16:28That's a good question
00:16:30I was just trying to throw out a cool
00:16:32Biblical phrase that I knew
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00:17:42I think we should focus on the basketball here
00:17:44We actually have basketball
00:17:46Seemingly one of the best threats to the Celtics
00:17:48In the Eastern Conference
00:17:50The news coming out of New York
00:17:52Is not good for their big men
00:17:54Precious Achua
00:17:56Out 2-4 weeks
00:17:58I think with a strained hamstring
00:18:00I don't know who their backup center is
00:18:02Coming into this one
00:18:04Jericho Sims I believe
00:18:06The guy who ruined the dunk contest
00:18:08I'll never forgive him for that
00:18:10I think any moment Jericho Sims is on the court
00:18:12Is a win for these Boston Celtics
00:18:14I do think it will be a good test
00:18:16The Knicks always play hard
00:18:18I feel like they played the Celtics pretty well
00:18:20How do you think the Celtics
00:18:22Are feeling going up against
00:18:24The matchup against the Knicks Jay
00:18:30I mean probably pretty good about it
00:18:32It was funny Sam Houser got asked about it the other day
00:18:34And he's like
00:18:36Yeah you know
00:18:38They're good
00:18:40I don't know what else you want me to say
00:18:42I haven't seen them play all together yet
00:18:44So
00:18:46That's kind of how I feel
00:18:48We've talked a lot about the Knicks
00:18:50But
00:18:52I just think they're ready to get going
00:18:54I think
00:18:56They're super excited
00:18:58It's just great vibes around the Celtics
00:19:00Right now
00:19:02The way that they came into camp
00:19:04The focus that they've had
00:19:06The attitude that they've had
00:19:08The willingness to
00:19:10Just kind of re-engage
00:19:12In the fight to improve
00:19:16I feel like they're just ready to get going
00:19:18And ready to play another team
00:19:20Ready to get the regular season going
00:19:22Ready to continue challenging themselves
00:19:24And I want to see them
00:19:26Especially against the Knicks
00:19:28Because the Knicks are
00:19:30One of the
00:19:32Reshaped teams
00:19:34That could help define the Eastern Conference this year
00:19:36And
00:19:38It'll be the first look at Jalen Brunson
00:19:40And Carl Towns next to each other
00:19:42Be the first look at Bridges
00:19:44And his
00:19:46The new hitch in his jump shot
00:19:48Versus Tatum
00:19:50And maybe no hitch in his jump shot
00:19:52It's going to be an epic night
00:19:54How do you think they start off on Towns?
00:19:56Do you think they give Horford to start?
00:19:58Or is it going to be a crazy Drew Holiday
00:20:00Matchup or something wacky?
00:20:04I think it's Drew Holiday
00:20:06I think they'll put Drew Holiday
00:20:08On Towns
00:20:10And then White on Brunson
00:20:12And then everyone else
00:20:14Kind of matches up
00:20:16Who does Horford guard in that scenario?
00:20:18Probably OG
00:20:20Yeah, maybe Ananobi
00:20:22But
00:20:24Yeah it is, or maybe
00:20:26Guard Brunson
00:20:28Or at least try to take that
00:20:30Like he did a bunch of times last year
00:20:32With top guards on their team
00:20:34That would be a fascinating subplot of it
00:20:36But I don't know
00:20:38If
00:20:40The Celtics are
00:20:42Rolling healthy outside of Porzingis
00:20:44Knicks, a lot of new parts
00:20:46A lot of
00:20:48Frontcourt guys down
00:20:50If you look at their bench
00:20:52They have two or three guys that have
00:20:54NBA experience off the bench
00:20:56So they'll be looking forward to Josh Hart
00:20:58Playing 48 minutes right out of the gate here
00:21:00For Tibbs
00:21:02I expect them to run
00:21:04Towns off the floor in this opener
00:21:06From a defensive perspective
00:21:08Really try to go at him
00:21:10A lot on the perimeter
00:21:12I definitely want to see Drew
00:21:14On Towns
00:21:16I want to see that
00:21:18I want to see how New York tries to
00:21:20Counter it
00:21:22There's a ton of pick and rolls with Brunson
00:21:24And Towns during the preseason
00:21:26And I think that's going to be
00:21:28Pretty much their bread and butter
00:21:30Just space the court for Brunson in a way that
00:21:32He never benefited from last season
00:21:36But the Celtics can
00:21:38As long as Holiday can handle Towns
00:21:40Which
00:21:42He probably can at least to some extent
00:21:44You can sort of blow up that pick and roll
00:21:46Because you can have Tatum
00:21:48Or Jalen
00:21:50Or whoever
00:21:52In that action too
00:21:54And that's what makes the Celtics so tough
00:21:56They don't have the same weaknesses
00:21:58Or vulnerabilities that a lot of other guys do
00:22:00Yeah and it's not like Towns
00:22:02Is the best back-to-basket player
00:22:04Like maybe if you switch
00:22:06White onto him
00:22:08They'll try to go after that mismatch
00:22:10But if you have anyone else on Brunson
00:22:12And then Drew on
00:22:14Cat you can switch all of those
00:22:16And so I do agree
00:22:18Realizing that
00:22:20Is going to be important for the Celtics
00:22:22On the other end of the court
00:22:24It's obviously
00:22:26They have a great wing defenders
00:22:28In OG and Mikael Bridges
00:22:30Brunson's always been the guy
00:22:32You kind of try to want to attack
00:22:34Also I think
00:22:36I've just used to be like
00:22:38The last basketball I actually broke down
00:22:40Was playoff basketball where it's like
00:22:42You're really trying to target one guy
00:22:44Probably Celtics are just kind of trying to get in the first game
00:22:46I don't know if they're going to be like
00:22:48Specifically slowing the pace down
00:22:50Just to hunt Jalen Brunson on the other side of the court
00:22:52I think it'll be Towns
00:22:54They hunt more often
00:22:56Just space him out
00:22:58Go by him
00:23:00Drive him
00:23:02Put him in actions
00:23:04Get him moving
00:23:06He doesn't have Gobert to cover him up anymore
00:23:08And I think
00:23:10I don't even think they'll have to
00:23:12Change their offense
00:23:14To really go out of their way to go at him
00:23:16Because what they do normally
00:23:18Will just put a lot of stress on him
00:23:20We saw a lot
00:23:22In the Toronto game
00:23:24And I know some guys weren't playing no Hauser
00:23:26No Holiday
00:23:28But I feel like we saw a lot more too big
00:23:30Than I was expecting
00:23:32A lot of Xavier Tillman at the four
00:23:34And Hamming Cornette in the game
00:23:36A decent amount
00:23:38I'm so like
00:23:40I've been so
00:23:42I don't know if the results necessarily
00:23:44Bear that out
00:23:46What do you think
00:23:48The big rotation is going to be
00:23:50How do you think they use
00:23:52Cornette feels like
00:23:54He's going to be the first big off the bench
00:23:56But I don't know
00:23:58I don't love
00:24:00And it was especially bad in the Raptors game
00:24:02Because it was a front court of
00:24:04Cornette Tillman and Walsh
00:24:06So it's not like the best spacing in the world
00:24:08But how do you see that big man rotation
00:24:10Working out and how often you think
00:24:12We're going to see them go to double bigs
00:24:14Early on in the year
00:24:16I think we'll see Tillman
00:24:18A decent amount
00:24:20Tillman at the five
00:24:22Or Tillman next to Horford and Cornette
00:24:24I think we'll probably see it
00:24:26In the second quarter
00:24:28Every game out of the gate
00:24:30Like some variation
00:24:32It worked last year
00:24:34Not every combination of double bigs worked
00:24:36But that's a look that they've had success with
00:24:38A lot going back to
00:24:40So I think
00:24:42Against the Knicks team
00:24:44And with Tillman moving the way he has now
00:24:46I think
00:24:48Against this Knicks lineup
00:24:50He's going to be able to guard
00:24:52OG on the perimeter
00:24:54He's probably going to be able to do okay
00:24:56Against a Josh Hart
00:24:58I assume the Knicks are going to be playing
00:25:00Plenty small because they just don't have
00:25:02Bigs outside of town
00:25:04That they can count on
00:25:06But yeah, I think that's a look you're going to get
00:25:08I don't
00:25:10But it is
00:25:12Does Jordan Walsh get thrown in the fire here?
00:25:14For this matchup
00:25:16You can make the case for that as well
00:25:18But I would assume that Tillman is going to get the first crack
00:25:20At those wild card mids
00:25:22As the ninth guy off the bench
00:25:24Just in short spurts
00:25:26And maybe over Cornette at times at center
00:25:28If Cornette's game
00:25:30Being played off the floor on the perimeter
00:25:32I'm interested to see
00:25:34I'm interested to see what Joe does
00:25:36With the rotation
00:25:38And I would guess
00:25:40There's definitely some Jordan Walsh
00:25:44At least to reward him
00:25:46For the preseason that he had
00:25:48Joe seemed pretty excited about the approach
00:25:50Walsh took throughout preseason
00:25:52The double big thing
00:25:54Will be interesting because
00:25:56Yes, it has been
00:25:58A good recipe
00:26:00For the Celtics
00:26:02But the guys, the three bigs
00:26:04That they're going to use
00:26:06I don't know how well they fit next to each other
00:26:08Horford and Kristaps
00:26:10As double bigs are so wildly different
00:26:12Than any of the other two guys
00:26:14On the court
00:26:16Cornette and
00:26:18Horford played
00:26:20245 minutes last year
00:26:22Not a lot over the course of an 82 game season
00:26:24The Celtics defensive rating
00:26:26Was 118
00:26:28It was basically the only duo
00:26:30That they got diced with
00:26:32They still outscored opponents by 5.6 points
00:26:34Per 100 possessions in those minutes
00:26:36But
00:26:38That's
00:26:40That's not necessarily the look
00:26:42You want, especially defensively
00:26:44If you go to Tillman at four
00:26:46Next to
00:26:48Cornette especially, you could be
00:26:50Limited with
00:26:52You could be severely
00:26:54Limited offensively
00:26:56Especially against teams that can really
00:26:58You know
00:27:00Go after you a little bit
00:27:02I mean teams are just going to abandon Tillman in the corner
00:27:04In any of that
00:27:06There's some moments in the Raptors
00:27:08And he'll make them pay
00:27:10The Brian Robb stamp of approval
00:27:12In Xavier Tillman's three point shot
00:27:14I'm not there yet
00:27:16I don't, I think teams will
00:27:18Welcome any Xavier Tillman
00:27:20Corner three
00:27:22At this point
00:27:24While we're on the Tillman corner three
00:27:26Funny, he was practicing the other day
00:27:28And kind of working on like
00:27:30Game shots
00:27:32Which for him is sometimes going to mean like
00:27:34Stand in the corner and just wait
00:27:36For everything else to go on
00:27:38And so Sam Cassell was working with him
00:27:40And Cassell was pretending to be
00:27:42Jalen Brown
00:27:44And or Jason Tatum
00:27:46And he was like pump faking
00:27:48He was like trying to get his in the middle of the lane
00:27:50While Tillman just sat in the corner
00:27:52Waiting for the pass
00:27:54And he was trying to throw him off rhythm
00:27:56And it was pretty funny because
00:27:58He's like this is what Jalen and Jason
00:28:00Are going to do
00:28:02And he was just going through like a progression
00:28:04Of fakes
00:28:06And just trying to go get a bucket
00:28:08While Tillman just waited there
00:28:10Waiting for his rep
00:28:12It was pretty funny stuff
00:28:14But also kind of shines a light
00:28:16Into the work that he's doing
00:28:18Which is you know
00:28:20You are going to have to stay on rhythm
00:28:22And not necessarily
00:28:24In the flow
00:28:26You have to be able to sit there and wait
00:28:28Catch and fire
00:28:30And he's been working on that
00:28:32He definitely has a willingness to shoot
00:28:34That he's displayed in the preseason
00:28:36And I feel like his minutes going on
00:28:38Throughout the season
00:28:40Is going to be directly correlated to
00:28:42How well he's able to knock down those open threes
00:28:44Because I do think teams are going to leave him wide open
00:28:46And you just get
00:28:48If I'm Joe Mazzuolo I'm so much more comfortable
00:28:50If he's knocking down corner threes
00:28:52At like a 40% clip
00:28:54It's not a gimme shot
00:28:56Teams have to at least take a step towards him
00:28:58Rather than just welcoming that shot
00:29:00If he becomes Aaron Bain
00:29:02If he becomes Aaron Bain
00:29:04Then that would be game over
00:29:06Who do you guys trust more
00:29:08Walsh or Tillman at this point
00:29:10Who's three?
00:29:12I trust Walsh but it's because
00:29:14He can do stuff beyond
00:29:16He can also catch the ball on the perimeter
00:29:18And do something
00:29:20That's based on five preseason games
00:29:22Of him having some sort of
00:29:24Off the dribble game or slashing to the rim
00:29:26But he's much more of an offensive threat
00:29:28Than Tillman is
00:29:30And so I feel like he's
00:29:32You can't just leave him wide open
00:29:34Just because he can do more with the ball
00:29:36In terms of shot for shot
00:29:38I don't know I'm going to leave that to the ball expert
00:29:40Jay
00:29:42Who's got a better shot at this point
00:29:44I would
00:29:46I would trust Walsh more
00:29:48Just because
00:29:50His track record of being bad
00:29:52Isn't as long
00:29:54I'm bringing out the Summerlink tape
00:29:56Tillman has been
00:29:58Less than 30%
00:30:00Every year since he was a rookie
00:30:02But he made that one in the finals
00:30:04He made that one in the finals
00:30:06He made a huge one in the finals
00:30:08This is true
00:30:10He was 3 for 3 in Abu Dhabi one time
00:30:12Jordan Walsh is 20 years old
00:30:14And
00:30:16I think it's easier to
00:30:18Improve when you're that age
00:30:20Not saying you can't improve
00:30:22I'm not dismissing the
00:30:24Kaizen attitude
00:30:26But I just
00:30:28No matter what happened in preseason
00:30:30It's going to take a larger sample size for me to believe
00:30:32In the power of Xavier Tillman's jump shot
00:30:34I hope they play both to be honest
00:30:36Like you said
00:30:38They both played great enough in the preseason
00:30:40To get their shots
00:30:42If you're playing 10 guys
00:30:44And you're Joe Mazzullo
00:30:46Even if it's just stints in the second quarter
00:30:48That obviously helps keep the Al minutes down
00:30:50But then you can keep Drew down
00:30:52Below 30 minutes too if you want
00:30:54If you're going to give Walsh 6 minutes there
00:30:56And play 5-10 minutes
00:30:58Of Tillman at the 4 every night
00:31:00How low do you think
00:31:02They'll have Drew's minutes?
00:31:06I think right around 30
00:31:08They're going to have Al's minutes
00:31:10Al played one game in the preseason
00:31:12I don't want to
00:31:14Be negative Nancy here
00:31:16But he didn't look
00:31:18The most spry out there
00:31:20Rusty
00:31:22Is he going to be
00:31:24They kind of need him not to be rusty
00:31:26Playing against the Knicks on Tuesday night
00:31:28Tillman and Cornette
00:31:30Can take care of it
00:31:32I believe in Luke Cornette as much as the next fella
00:31:34But I think the stretching
00:31:36It's a revenge game for Cornette
00:31:38Is it revenge?
00:31:40Did he leave New York on negative terms?
00:31:44It's only a revenge game if he has a big game
00:31:46I guess
00:31:48That's how I understand Luke Cornette
00:31:50Is to be circling games on the calendars
00:31:52To vanquish past foes
00:31:54Just because he's a really vengeful guy
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00:33:20Bold predictions for the game
00:33:22Anything
00:33:24Two Tillman three pointers
00:33:26Wow
00:33:28He's putting all the chips in
00:33:30I think
00:33:32Peyton Pritchard is going to have 18 points
00:33:34On six threes
00:33:36Jason Tatum is going to have 40
00:33:40That would be a tough 42 against those
00:33:42Defenders
00:33:44Yeah against those defenders
00:33:46That would be impressive
00:33:48Well since we're so good at predicting things
00:33:50Let's get into more predictions for the season
00:33:52Do you want to start off with the
00:33:54Wackier ones or the more
00:33:56Basic consistent ones
00:33:58I'm loving the Tillman
00:34:00Fire you're bringing
00:34:02I say mix it up
00:34:04One serious and then
00:34:06One wacky
00:34:08A little iPod shuffle here
00:34:10How many wins will the Celtics have
00:34:12This year
00:34:1467
00:34:16Woo
00:34:1867
00:34:20You've gone through the whole schedule
00:34:22Win loss win loss and you guys tallied those up
00:34:24Because I did that and I'm only at 62
00:34:28How many games you got
00:34:30Playing
00:34:32Jay and I talked about this and I
00:34:34Threw out a 35 as the over under
00:34:36I think it's going to be like I
00:34:38Because he's not going to be playing back to back
00:34:40He's on the Joel Embiid schedule
00:34:42I think it'd be I'd be surprised if he plays
00:34:44Over 40 games or like I think he's going to
00:34:46Be playing in less than half the games
00:34:4867 is
00:34:50Definitely a hotter take
00:34:52But I just think
00:34:54They're going to be so far ahead of
00:34:56People to start the season
00:34:58Even without Porzingis
00:35:00They were 31 and 6 without Porzingis
00:35:02Last year they absolutely dusted everyone
00:35:04Without Porzingis they have
00:35:06Everybody back that matters
00:35:08They had other than Porzingis
00:35:10A healthy preseason
00:35:12They're not like
00:35:14Acclimating themselves to a new
00:35:16Edition they're not learning anything
00:35:18New Peyton Pritchard and Sam
00:35:20Hauser look great like
00:35:22There's just so much reason to
00:35:24Think that the Celtics are going to
00:35:26Come out and play great
00:35:28Basketball from the start
00:35:30They don't need Lonnie Walker
00:35:32I mean this is
00:35:34No but it is like
00:35:36The fact that we're the nitpicking for us is
00:35:38Like ah like Tillman or
00:35:40Jordan Walsh like who should play more because they
00:35:42Both deserve to play like that's that's
00:35:44The sort of problems they had from the preseason which
00:35:46Is very much to say
00:35:48Everything's been right and then you look
00:35:50Around the rest of the Eastern Conference
00:35:52Either injuries or new pieces
00:35:54Having to be worked in together
00:35:56From almost every contender right now
00:35:58And now you look at even like a team like
00:36:00The Thunder where guys are dropping left and right
00:36:02There if these guys can stay healthy I think
00:36:04Jay's number doesn't look as crazy as
00:36:06It might feel out of the gate
00:36:08I just think the East is a little bit better
00:36:10Like it feels like they have more
00:36:12Top level teams
00:36:14I would say two through seven
00:36:16I don't think the Celtics
00:36:18Are going to win the conference by
00:36:2014 games this year
00:36:24Maybe they'll win 67 games and there'll be
00:36:26Other 60 win teams
00:36:28I just think it'll be a little bit closer
00:36:30To the pack
00:36:32But you know I think
00:36:34It's not like I'm really being a Debbie
00:36:36Down here predicting they're going to win 62 games
00:36:38That's still a very very good basketball team
00:36:40The way they played last year
00:36:4264 wins
00:36:44Felt like it was almost their
00:36:46Like that was their
00:36:48Floor
00:36:50So you're predicting 72 wins
00:36:52I'm not
00:36:54What's the most amount of wins you think they can get
00:36:56This year
00:36:58They didn't
00:37:00Go out of their way to try to win games
00:37:02Like they sat players they rested players
00:37:04They limited minutes for guys
00:37:06They never went crazy
00:37:08With like loading up Al Horford's
00:37:10Playing time or
00:37:12Loading up Jason Tatum with a
00:37:14Crazy month which Joe Mazzulla
00:37:16Did the previous year when he was a rookie coach
00:37:18They
00:37:20Like they just were so much
00:37:22Better than everybody last year that they won
00:37:2462 games
00:37:2664 games rather well like
00:37:28Pacing themselves and so
00:37:32Injury looks the one thing I'll throw in
00:37:34For that but yeah at the same time
00:37:36Especially if like Tatum or Brown
00:37:38Down for a significant period of
00:37:40Time or you could throw Derek White into
00:37:42That or even the bench guys
00:37:44But the problem that
00:37:46Jordan Walsh's of the world in the rotation
00:37:48Regularly that's when the drop
00:37:50Off could come and that's when the
00:37:52Wins could diminish
00:37:54But injury like applies less to this group
00:37:56I feel like because Tatum
00:37:58White Pritchard
00:38:00Those are like Ironman as far
00:38:02As their durability goes so
00:38:04Like Jalen's had some injuries over
00:38:06The years nothing like too crazy
00:38:08Serious Drew's the big one
00:38:10I think as far as who else you're worried about
00:38:12Beyond Al's just age
00:38:14But yeah by
00:38:16And by and large there I feel like
00:38:18You don't worry about injuries
00:38:20Of guys like that and that's like half their rotation
00:38:22Right there so that kind of puts you ahead of other
00:38:24Teams where you know other guys are just
00:38:26Prone to it. B-Rob just jinxed it
00:38:28I
00:38:30Derek White tore an ACL
00:38:32You don't have to say a specific guy
00:38:34A specific injury B-Rob
00:38:36There's no chance there's zero
00:38:38I will
00:38:40It's not going to happen
00:38:42It's not going to happen
00:38:44He's not poking a voodoo doll
00:38:46Right now
00:38:48Come on
00:38:50I have my next answer for my next
00:38:52Question my next prediction is going to be
00:38:54Biggest villain and it's going to be
00:38:56B-Rob because he jinxed the team
00:38:58Shut up
00:39:00Biggest villain
00:39:02It could be a guy on the Celtics who's a villain
00:39:04And tearing the team down from then
00:39:06Or one of their
00:39:08Opponents who do you think is the biggest
00:39:10Villain of this upcoming season
00:39:12Will be Mo
00:39:14Wagner
00:39:16That's the easy answer
00:39:18Mo Wagner is always
00:39:20Getting into it
00:39:22With somebody and I actually think
00:39:24The magic
00:39:26Have a chance
00:39:28To be really good I'm probably
00:39:30Higher on the magic than Mo they added KCP
00:39:32Boncaro
00:39:34And Wagner brought them
00:39:36To the five seed last year
00:39:38While not being able to
00:39:40Shoot at all like they were just so physical
00:39:42And so rugged
00:39:44Defensively and so versatile
00:39:46That they were able to get the five seed
00:39:48Without being
00:39:50Even remotely
00:39:52Good shooters if they do
00:39:54Take a step forward they could be
00:39:56Really really tough and
00:39:58Mo Wagner is in intense games
00:40:00Mo Wagner is going to be a villain
00:40:02That's just how it goes
00:40:04Mo Wagner is the most annoying
00:40:06Opponent
00:40:08In the league I don't know if it's even
00:40:10Close
00:40:12Mo is in a league of his own he's a legend
00:40:14And I say that with all respect
00:40:16Yeah
00:40:18Mo is just the most
00:40:20Irritating force out there
00:40:22I love that guy
00:40:24I've got an upcomer that might
00:40:26Challenge Mo on that front
00:40:28Um
00:40:30Because if someone was getting hurt in the Celtics this would be the guy to do it
00:40:32Aaron Neesmith
00:40:34Oh wow
00:40:36Aaron Neesmith is a man who
00:40:38Is a battering ram
00:40:40Did B-Rock just call that Neesmith is going to injure
00:40:42It almost happened last year I feel like there was a couple close calls
00:40:44In those Pacer games
00:40:46Like in the regular season
00:40:48But no he plays hard
00:40:50Um he's obviously got a chip on his shoulder
00:40:52Against this team and now you have the rivalry
00:40:54Of what happened in the playoffs now
00:40:56I think those are going to be some
00:40:58Some heated matchups
00:41:00I'm battling for a loose ball on the court
00:41:02I don't know anything goes at this point
00:41:04But
00:41:06Look out for Neesmith
00:41:08As far as you know
00:41:10Some fisticuffs
00:41:12Those are two pretty good picks from two teams that are pretty solid
00:41:14Um
00:41:16My first thought was just Luca
00:41:18Because just the people on Celtics twitter
00:41:20Seem to love to hate Mavericks twitter
00:41:22Right now and so
00:41:24They don't really play often enough for there to be a true villainy
00:41:26Like I feel like you do need to have a
00:41:28Villain come from an eastern conference
00:41:30Maybe a division opponent
00:41:32And
00:41:34Without any real rhyme or reason and don't ask me to explain this
00:41:36It's going to be Kelly Oubre Jr.
00:41:38Um
00:41:40I have another nominee
00:41:42For when you're done
00:41:44That's all I got
00:41:46Take a pick
00:41:48Joel Embiid
00:41:50Yeah Joel Embiid
00:41:52If he plays
00:41:54Do they play him on a back to back
00:41:56They haven't played Embiid in the playoffs in a while
00:41:58Two years
00:42:00But
00:42:02If they play a series against Joel
00:42:04And if the 76ers are competitive
00:42:06Then his combination
00:42:08Of being really
00:42:10Good at basketball and also
00:42:12A gifted troll
00:42:14Would
00:42:16Infuriate people
00:42:18And I think
00:42:20They're probably the best roster
00:42:22That he's had in his career
00:42:24He definitely has
00:42:26Like in Maxi
00:42:28And Paul George that is a
00:42:30Legitimate big three
00:42:32And
00:42:34I believe
00:42:36Embiid will get under people's skin
00:42:38If this all expands
00:42:40Especially if he is in great shape like he says he is
00:42:42And he has dropped all his weight and he is
00:42:44Like just
00:42:46Able to kind of shed
00:42:48Some of his playoff demons
00:42:50And it's a close series
00:42:52People are going to hate Joel Embiid
00:42:54And he's doing
00:42:56The DX chop
00:42:58It's wild that he just gets away with that
00:43:00We were not allowed to do that
00:43:02In school because it was so offensive
00:43:04See I was a bad boy
00:43:06And I used to do it no matter what
00:43:08That's so on the nose
00:43:14The bad boy of
00:43:16Williams Middle School
00:43:18You ever get like suspended
00:43:20For doing too much DX chopping
00:43:22Or people are just like there goes the kid
00:43:24I don't remember
00:43:28Specifically getting like
00:43:30Detention or anything like that
00:43:32Because I was doing
00:43:34The suck it sign
00:43:36But I can't imagine
00:43:38That teachers were thrilled
00:43:40About it and I used to do it a lot
00:43:42Were you like doing it as like a
00:43:44Mr. Johnson that algebra test
00:43:46Sucks
00:43:48I think I was pretty
00:43:50Pretty liberal
00:43:52I didn't discriminate
00:43:54Everyone was getting it
00:43:58Alright who do you think is going to be the most
00:44:00Frustrating player on the Celtics
00:44:02The Celtics player that fans will be
00:44:04Most annoyed with
00:44:08This is a good one because there's not a lot
00:44:10To pick from here
00:44:12They're pretty beloved at this point
00:44:14And this is just based on the
00:44:16Like James Springer
00:44:18On offense
00:44:20I hope they don't tweet at all about James Springer
00:44:22James Springer should hopefully not play
00:44:24But that's the thing
00:44:26I don't know if he's going to be on the floor
00:44:28Enough for him to even reach that level
00:44:30But that's all I got for that
00:44:32It's going to be Slim Pickens
00:44:34Maybe Cornette
00:44:36It's going to be Tillman
00:44:38It's going to be Tillman because
00:44:40His lack of
00:44:42Offensive punch
00:44:44Is just glaring sometimes
00:44:46And especially if he does play in these
00:44:48Big duos
00:44:50Next to Al Horford or Luke Cornette
00:44:52I think the Celtics
00:44:54Going to just look a bit clunkier than they normally do
00:44:56When Tillman is in those lineups
00:44:58And he'll get the blame
00:45:00Just because
00:45:02He's not the most dynamic force
00:45:04Offensively
00:45:06I don't think he'll deserve it
00:45:08I think he'll be great defensively
00:45:10He'll have a solid impact
00:45:12When he's on the court
00:45:14But just because of the way
00:45:16His game is
00:45:18He's not a good finisher
00:45:20He's not a great shooter
00:45:22There's just a lot of obvious stuff
00:45:24A lot of obvious shortcomings
00:45:26Offensively
00:45:28I think people are going to get annoyed with him sometimes
00:45:30I think it's going to be
00:45:32It's going to be Drew Holiday
00:45:34That guy does some of the craziest shit in the world
00:45:36During games
00:45:38And that's my only justification
00:45:40I think people are going to get annoyed with him
00:45:42Because he will take a three in transition
00:45:44That he had no business taking
00:45:46Or throw a lob that doesn't make any sense
00:45:48And I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel here
00:45:50Looking for someone
00:45:52It's tough to be frustrated with a championship team
00:45:54Trying to come back to another championship
00:45:56And so
00:45:58I wish I had that question back
00:46:00It wasn't the best question
00:46:02Hand up, that's on me
00:46:04It worked
00:46:06It produced some okay conversation
00:46:08I believe Chris Tapps won this award last year
00:46:10But he's not going to be playing that many games
00:46:12I'm going to go with the obvious one
00:46:14I think is just Jason Tatum
00:46:16Complaining about or throwing his hands up
00:46:18And being a little bit demonstrative
00:46:20As leading the team in techs
00:46:22I feel like Tatum
00:46:24Sort of distanced himself from
00:46:26Exploding at refs
00:46:28A bit last year
00:46:30He stopped
00:46:32Dwelling on missed calls the way he had
00:46:34Previously
00:46:36He's still going to win it
00:46:38I don't think there's
00:46:40I don't think there's any doubt
00:46:42It will not be Derek White
00:46:44It certainly will not be Drew Holiday
00:46:46Jalen Brown almost never talks to
00:46:48Referees like that
00:46:50See, I
00:46:52Feel like he has
00:46:54A wild card
00:46:56I don't know, you're right, he generally is not going to be
00:46:58Talking to nearly as much as Tatum
00:47:00But I feel like
00:47:02He's going to come in with more confidence
00:47:04I think you're right
00:47:06I looked it up
00:47:08I think he's a sneaker
00:47:10Tatum had 14 last year, Chris Taps
00:47:12Only had 10
00:47:14And Jalen Brown had 10, so he tied up
00:47:16Chris Taps came out of the gate
00:47:18And was getting technicals every left and right
00:47:20In his first couple games
00:47:22Jalen had 10?
00:47:24Give me Jalen, I feel even better about this now
00:47:26Angry Jalen, pissed off Jalen
00:47:28Anytime he sees a ref
00:47:30Wearing a Nike he's going to be pissed off
00:47:32It's funny, I was like
00:47:34Tatum really took a step back
00:47:36He didn't go after the refs as much
00:47:38And he almost got enough technicals
00:47:40What is the suspension, 16?
00:47:42I think it's 16 or 17
00:47:46Luka Doncic led the league last year with 19
00:47:50So good for him
00:47:52Speaking of, players like Luka Doncic
00:47:54More traditional prediction, do you guys have
00:47:56MVP picks?
00:47:58I'm going Jokic
00:48:00Just because
00:48:02That team is going to need him more than ever
00:48:04And
00:48:06The one thing
00:48:08That might go against them is
00:48:10If they fall to the middle of the pack
00:48:12In the West playoff picture, I think that hurts them
00:48:14But
00:48:16He's going to
00:48:18Be putting up close to a triple-double overnight
00:48:20And that's just, numbers-wise
00:48:22It's going to look a lot better than
00:48:24Most of the rest of the MVP pack
00:48:26I don't know if he gets the narrative thing
00:48:28I feel like he put up those numbers last year
00:48:30And people were just like
00:48:32We're not going to give him a third MVP
00:48:34Like all the advanced stats
00:48:36He was clearly the best
00:48:38I guess he did win it last year
00:48:40So maybe they'll just do that again
00:48:42It feels like
00:48:44If the Mavericks finish in the top three
00:48:46Of the Western Conference
00:48:48It will be Luka
00:48:50But my pick, I think they're just going to give it to Shea
00:48:52I think the Thunder are going to be good
00:48:54And people love Shea
00:48:56And even though he has a wildly talented cast around him
00:48:58They're a bunch of young up-and-comers
00:49:00So Shea gets all the credit
00:49:02Whereas a guy like Tatum gets
00:49:04Knocked down for having
00:49:06Great players around him
00:49:08Shea has a much higher usage rate on a team
00:49:10That should be the best team in the Western Conference
00:49:12And people like a new person
00:49:14So I'm going with Shea
00:49:16I actually think Shea's numbers
00:49:18Like counting numbers
00:49:20Might come down a little bit
00:49:22Just because he has better guys around him?
00:49:24First of all, they added
00:49:26A couple pieces that are significant
00:49:28But then
00:49:30You have Chet Holmgren
00:49:32Who's only going to grow
00:49:34I don't think his role from last season is going to be his role forever
00:49:36And then Jalen Williams
00:49:38Is also ascending
00:49:40So you have a mix
00:49:42Right now where I think
00:49:44Shea
00:49:46The opportunities that he's continued to
00:49:48Increase
00:49:50Are going to start shrinking
00:49:52Maybe that doesn't come this year
00:49:54But it's Luka to me
00:49:56They're going to need him to do so much
00:49:58They're going to have
00:50:00Like they don't have
00:50:02Outside of him and Kyrie Irving
00:50:04Very many
00:50:06Offensive generators
00:50:08And he's going to have insane stats
00:50:10If he can do that
00:50:12While also playing a little more defense
00:50:14And winning some games
00:50:16And I think Luka's
00:50:18Going to be tough, tough, tough to beat
00:50:20Is his
00:50:22Playoffs last year, his finals last year
00:50:24Is that going to hurt him at all?
00:50:26In terms of how the narrative
00:50:28I don't think it will
00:50:30Because
00:50:32Yes he was bad
00:50:34But the Celtics were just like so dominant
00:50:36Throughout the run
00:50:38That I don't think it's a stain on him
00:50:40That he didn't play great against them
00:50:42I think the
00:50:44Defensive highlights that I've seen on Twitter
00:50:46Is kind of a stain on him
00:50:48To be an
00:50:50MVP
00:50:52You can't do that bad defensively
00:50:54And just not put in that effort
00:50:56Agreed the way the series went
00:50:58The Celtics attacking him
00:51:00It showed how he needs to get better
00:51:02But I don't think
00:51:04People will hold it against him the same way
00:51:08That they would another series
00:51:10Just because of how lopsided
00:51:12The matchup was
00:51:14And part of that was
00:51:16Again because it wasn't good enough defensively
00:51:18I just feel like maybe I'm wrong
00:51:20It won't be held against him
00:51:22He also has the narrative
00:51:24Oh he came back after that finals loss
00:51:26And he's in better shape now
00:51:28And he's a better defender now
00:51:30Wow look at them winning all these games
00:51:32That's why I think it's dependent on how much
00:51:34The Mavericks have team success
00:51:36Because Luka led the league in scoring last year
00:51:38But they were the fifth seed
00:51:40I think if he gets them a top
00:51:42Three or four seed in the top half of that bracket
00:51:44And leads the league in scoring
00:51:46It will go to Luka
00:51:48But I do think it's going to be dependent on
00:51:50Has he led the Mavericks
00:51:52To be one of the elite teams
00:51:54In the playoffs
00:51:56Because the Mavericks were not thought of
00:51:58As much of a threat in the Western Conference
00:52:00Basically until the conference finals
00:52:02Last year
00:52:04My super dark horse is
00:52:06Zion
00:52:08Wow
00:52:10He played 72 games last year
00:52:12Doesn't matter
00:52:14Doesn't matter what he's done in the past
00:52:16I just feel like if that dude
00:52:18Just takes everything seriously
00:52:20And is at top level for a full season
00:52:22Maybe that's impossible
00:52:24Maybe it'll never happen
00:52:26Maybe we'll never see that type of Zion
00:52:28But if he does
00:52:30That is one of the three to five
00:52:32Most dominant players in the league
00:52:34You know who can elevate him too
00:52:36Tice
00:52:38Tice playing alongside you
00:52:40Setting those screens
00:52:42Playing defense
00:52:44All MVPs in need of Daniel Tice in their camp
00:52:46That is a good one though
00:52:48If there's anyone who should be motivated as hell for this year
00:52:50Just based off where he's been
00:52:52If the preseason reports
00:52:54About what he's been
00:52:56How he's looking
00:52:58And just his mindset are there
00:53:00Then yeah
00:53:02That's one that would certainly
00:53:04Win the narrative card on that front
00:53:06I don't know
00:53:08If they're going to necessarily have the team success
00:53:10Could Yannis?
00:53:12I mean obviously
00:53:14He could
00:53:16Yannis could
00:53:18Yannis could do anything
00:53:20Especially because now they have
00:53:22Thanasis back
00:53:24Wild move
00:53:26Has that officially gone through
00:53:28Or is that just a rumor that got put out there
00:53:30I don't think that's gone through
00:53:32I think that's insane
00:53:34He injured Thanasis Antetokounmpo
00:53:36Just make him assistant
00:53:38He can hang out still
00:53:40You don't have to waste a roster spot on him
00:53:42He can be a player development coach
00:53:44But he's injured
00:53:46He tore his ACL
00:53:48He's not going to be on the team
00:53:50It's wild to me to give him a roster spot
00:53:52And cut another guy
00:53:54But
00:53:56Do you think he's been on the roster
00:53:58Because of what he did on the court before
00:54:00He's been
00:54:02Hypothetically
00:54:04He could get on the court
00:54:06There were times where I've seen him play basketball
00:54:08If he's injured and just collecting paychecks
00:54:10He should be a player development coach
00:54:14A Nick Friedman
00:54:16Nick Friedman's the assistant coach
00:54:18Of the Capital City Go-Go
00:54:20But a younger Nick Friedman
00:54:22Correct
00:54:24Two more
00:54:26What do you guys think is going to be
00:54:28The go-to
00:54:30Oklahoma-Zula cliche this year
00:54:32I feel like last year
00:54:34It's defining success in a different way
00:54:38You guys have been to a lot of his scrums
00:54:40Early in the preseason
00:54:42They're all the same
00:54:44There is no difference
00:54:46He's not going to bring out a different animal
00:54:48It's going to be humility
00:54:50I think open-mindedness
00:54:52Is his focus for now
00:54:54That is his number one focus
00:54:56Is open-mindedness
00:54:58We need to be
00:55:00Willing to adapt
00:55:02We need to know that
00:55:04The way we won a championship last year
00:55:06Might not be the way we win a championship again
00:55:08We need to be open-minded
00:55:10It's going to be open-mindedness
00:55:12That's the leader in the clubhouse
00:55:14I think it's going to be
00:55:16This year is different from last year
00:55:18We haven't done anything yet
00:55:20This is a new season
00:55:22There's going to be a lot of questions
00:55:24A lot of you reporters are going to frame it
00:55:26He's going to cut off a lot of questions
00:55:28Anytime a reporter mentions last year
00:55:30He's immediately like
00:55:32This is a new year
00:55:34I think that's going to be his main argument
00:55:36Going into this year
00:55:38Are you open-minded to the possibility
00:55:40You're wrong?
00:55:42K?
00:55:44Are you open-minded to the possibility
00:55:46You're wrong?
00:55:48Always. I'm frequently wrong
00:55:50It's true
00:55:52B-Rod, your thoughts
00:55:54Am I frequently wrong or not?
00:55:56Yes
00:56:00Going the animal route
00:56:02I think we're going to get
00:56:04A seal is going to be involved
00:56:06I don't know if you've heard about a seal
00:56:08You've heard of the whales
00:56:10I think a seal is going to be involved
00:56:12I'm just trying to think about what
00:56:14But seals get hunted by sharks
00:56:16Don't they? I feel like seal
00:56:18Might not
00:56:20Don't be a seal
00:56:22The animal kingdom down to the insect world
00:56:24Or different viruses
00:56:26There's got to be a new thing
00:56:28That he gets obsessed with
00:56:30That he can use as a metaphor
00:56:32For talking about the Celtics
00:56:34Amoeba
00:56:36Constantly switching positions
00:56:38And taking down their opponents
00:56:40Or something like that
00:56:44Finals prediction
00:56:46Don't you feel like we're a long way
00:56:48From Sandcastles?
00:56:50We are
00:56:52Please never apologize for getting back to Sandcastles
00:56:56Remind the folks what the Sandcastles were
00:56:58In case there's some listeners that aren't familiar
00:57:00Was that two years ago or one year ago?
00:57:02That was two years ago
00:57:04One of James' finest works
00:57:06Sandcastles
00:57:08And building a new
00:57:10Sandcastle every day
00:57:12The ocean's going to come and wash it away
00:57:14But you're going to put in that goddamn
00:57:16Fucking work and build a new Sandcastle
00:57:18Is the Sandcastle kind of back in
00:57:20On theme now?
00:57:22Be open-minded?
00:57:24The old Sandcastle was wiped away
00:57:26Got to build a new one
00:57:28Got to start it all over again
00:57:30You should remind him of that at practice tomorrow
00:57:32How's the new Sandcastle he built?
00:57:34I'm sure he would be thrilled
00:57:38Finals prediction, Jay
00:57:40Celtics
00:57:42Over the Thunder
00:57:44Go in shock
00:57:46In six
00:57:48I honestly
00:57:50I don't think
00:57:52There's a team in the east in Boston's class
00:57:54I don't think there's a team in the west
00:57:56In Oklahoma City's class
00:57:58I'm open to the idea that
00:58:00Oklahoma City will still need to
00:58:02Take its lumps in the playoffs
00:58:04And
00:58:06Will still need to learn how to win
00:58:08Against a team like Dallas which has Luca
00:58:10Or
00:58:12Even maybe a team like Minnesota
00:58:14Which plays such great defense
00:58:16And is physical
00:58:18But
00:58:20Right now I think those are the two best teams
00:58:22And
00:58:24By far the most complete teams
00:58:26And I think
00:58:28They're going to be on a collision course to meet in the finals
00:58:32D-Rob
00:58:34Celtics Thunder
00:58:36Was my pick going into the preseason
00:58:38All these injuries that I've hit the Thunder
00:58:40Are giving me a little bit of pause here
00:58:42I'm going to go Wolves
00:58:44Celtics over Wolves
00:58:46I kind of just like this deal for the Wolves
00:58:48I like DiVincenzo on their roster
00:58:50Randall
00:58:52Either figured it out with them
00:58:54Or they trade him for some other good stuff
00:58:56And
00:58:58Thunder are going to be right there
00:59:00But
00:59:02I think Celtics take care of either of those teams
00:59:04And soon get healthy without a problem
00:59:06I was going to go Wolves
00:59:08But now I'm going to pivot because
00:59:10It's going to be different
00:59:12Celtics over Grizzlies
00:59:14Oh
00:59:16Zach Eady
00:59:18Is going to be a star
00:59:20John Morant coming back
00:59:22Full season of Marcus Smart
00:59:24Hopefully Triple J can be
00:59:26Every time the Grizzlies have been healthy
00:59:28They've won over 50 games
00:59:30They've been a contender for the top seed in the West
00:59:32And so
00:59:34Mostly because you guys took the Thunder and the Wolves
00:59:36I'm going with Grizzlies as my finals pick
00:59:38And I'll say
00:59:40It'll be a very spicy finals
00:59:42And then maybe Marcus Smart
00:59:44Becomes the villain
00:59:46Which would be a wild case
00:59:48Alright folks
00:59:50We're going to end this with a blind ranking
00:59:52I liked doing it so much the last time
00:59:54And so we're doing it again
00:59:56J and B-Rob
00:59:58This is for potential
01:00:00Still potable guests
01:00:02I've picked five names
01:00:04And we'll go through them one at a time
01:00:06But you have to rank them
01:00:08This is a good way to insult potential guests
01:00:10Are these realistic guests?
01:00:12Are we insulting anyone?
01:00:16I think they're realistic guests
01:00:18No one we've had on the pod
01:00:20So far
01:00:22But we'll start
01:00:24With the first one
01:00:26So rank them one through five
01:00:28Donnie Wahlberg
01:00:30Five
01:00:32Yeah
01:00:34That's an easy five
01:00:40I'm a huge fan of Donnie Wahlberg
01:00:42He once sat down with my mother
01:00:44I think I've told this on the podcast before
01:00:46She went to Wahlburgers
01:00:48He sat down with her and her friends
01:00:50Seemed like a great guy
01:00:52Talked to them for like an hour
01:00:54So she's a big Donnie Wahlberg fan
01:00:56If she is, I am
01:00:58But I just don't know
01:01:00If I'd want to talk ball with her
01:01:02That's fair
01:01:04He's coming in at a clear five
01:01:06Luke Cornett
01:01:10Two
01:01:12I'm gonna go
01:01:14Three here
01:01:16I need consensus from you guys
01:01:18I need
01:01:20Who feels stronger on the matter
01:01:22I guess I'll go
01:01:24Three
01:01:26We talk to him a lot
01:01:28Not on the podcast
01:01:30We talk to him a lot
01:01:32So I think
01:01:34Based on who else you're doing
01:01:36That would be a very enjoyable
01:01:38Guest for the Still Potable
01:01:40Crew here
01:01:42Mick Lovin
01:01:44Christopher Minsploss
01:01:50This is why
01:01:52I think
01:01:54I'm gonna do this for the super bad talk
01:01:56I go two here
01:01:58Also in role models
01:02:00Also huge Celtics fan
01:02:02I'm going one
01:02:04This is wow
01:02:06I need consensus from you guys
01:02:08I can't keep track of both of your blind rankings
01:02:10Maybe I can
01:02:12We'll go two
01:02:14There's gonna be another big name on this
01:02:16But Mick Lovin himself
01:02:18He's way up there among potentials for me
01:02:20So we've got one, Mick Lovin, Luke Cornett
01:02:22And then the four spot
01:02:24And then Donnie Wahlberg
01:02:26Going with the next one
01:02:28Joe Mazzulla
01:02:30One
01:02:32Yeah
01:02:34You can't risk
01:02:36This is all about sequencing
01:02:38Just a fascinating guy
01:02:40And then the final one
01:02:42Mayor Michelle Wu
01:02:46Can we flip her with Donnie?
01:02:48No, you can't flip anything
01:02:52Jay didn't want to insult anyone
01:02:54I think four worked out just fine
01:02:58She's a Celtics fan
01:03:00I switched up
01:03:02I put in Mayor Wu
01:03:04Instead of Mayor Wu
01:03:06What if I said Kendrick Perkins?
01:03:12Perkins would be up there
01:03:14That'd be tough
01:03:16He'd obviously be sliding into four
01:03:18But I think getting him
01:03:20He'd be closer to two or three
01:03:22That'd be a pretty big ad
01:03:24You could go a lot of different ways with him
01:03:26Just hitting the 08 to 2010 stories
01:03:28You could fill up probably
01:03:30A couple podcasts
01:03:32Digging into that
01:03:34Much less everything else
01:03:36That he can put on your plate
01:03:38So it sounds like we're in agreement here folks
01:03:40We've got two targets for the season
01:03:42To come on Still Potable
01:03:44Joe Mazzulla and Mick Lovin
01:03:46And I think we can make both of those happen
01:03:48With your help
01:03:50Mick Lovin, personally
01:03:52But that's just because I am scared of Joe Mazzulla
01:03:56And would have to talk to him face to face
01:03:58But either would be great gets
01:04:00And maybe it's possible
01:04:02In the Still Potable universe we've had
01:04:04You guys watch the intro
01:04:06You've seen the wall of fame of people come on
01:04:08I have heard rumors
01:04:10That T-Money's been in the lab
01:04:12Preparing a new intro song
01:04:14So get hyped for that
01:04:16Until that's ready though Packard
01:04:18I'll record 19
01:04:20We need the edit
01:04:22For the opener
01:04:24Definitely soon
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