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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Salman Akram Raja PTI
- Tariq Fazal Chaudhary PMLN
All rights are granted by the Constitution. How can the government decide..., Kashif Abbasi Analysis
Goli chali ya nahi?? | Hospitals mein kitni laashien gayin??
"Bani Nay kaha 40 Ghante Unhain Cell Main Band Rakha Gaya..." Salman Akram Raja's Huge Statement
Governor's rule and ban on PTI..?? | Tariq Fazal Chaudhry's clear statement
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Salman Akram Raja PTI
- Tariq Fazal Chaudhary PMLN
All rights are granted by the Constitution. How can the government decide..., Kashif Abbasi Analysis
Goli chali ya nahi?? | Hospitals mein kitni laashien gayin??
"Bani Nay kaha 40 Ghante Unhain Cell Main Band Rakha Gaya..." Salman Akram Raja's Huge Statement
Governor's rule and ban on PTI..?? | Tariq Fazal Chaudhry's clear statement
Salman Akram Raja Shared Details of his meeting with Imran Khan | Inside News
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with me, Kashif Abbasi.
00:14Is there democracy in this country or amnesty?
00:17The political leader of democracy is trying to conquer the people of his own country.
00:22Last night, two days ago, a few young men were arrested from Islamabad, whom I personally know.
00:28What was their fault?
00:30Their fault was that they were protesting.
00:32So, they joined Islamabad in November 24, 2014.
00:36Educated boys, job seekers, white-collar job seekers, they were arrested.
00:42What kind of a country do you want?
00:44A country where their wishes become law, where no one has the right to protest.
00:48Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
00:51Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
00:53Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
00:55Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
00:57Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
00:59Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:01Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:03Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:05Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:07Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:09Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:11Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:13Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:15Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:17Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:19Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:21Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:23Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:25Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:27Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:29Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:31Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:33Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:35Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:37Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:39Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:41Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:43Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:45Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:47Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:49Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:51Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:53Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:55Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:57Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
01:59Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
02:01Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
02:03Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
02:05Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
02:07Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
02:09Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
02:11Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
02:13Do you want to make this country a North Korea?
02:15More than 100 people have lost their lives
02:17and thousands of people have been injured by bullets.
02:19Tell me, which police officer had a gun?
02:21Tell me, which police officer had a gun?
02:23Inform me if a person has been killed
02:25or tell me the footage of a firing.
02:27Straight firing will happen when there is a live ammunition.
02:29If there is no live ammunition, then why will there be straight firing?
02:31Now, hundreds of people have come to India.
02:33Now, hundreds of people have come to India.
02:35Today, Barrister Gaur said,
02:37but should we make a task force?
02:39Or should we make a judicial commission?
02:41Which will decide
02:43whether a bullet was fired on the night of the 26th or not.
02:45The government is putting up a wall of press conferences
02:47The government is putting up a wall of press conferences
02:49that no bullet was fired that night.
02:51But the problem with credibility is that
02:53no one listens to these people.
02:55Make a free judicial commission.
02:57Include judges who have a good reputation.
02:59Include judges who have a good reputation.
03:01The mandate should be simple.
03:03Whether a bullet was fired on the night of the 26th or not.
03:05If Mohsin Naqvi and his team are so sure
03:07that the bullet was not fired,
03:09then I think this will be a better step.
03:11then I think this will be a better step.
03:13So that the truth and facts come out in front of everyone
03:15So that the truth and facts come out in front of everyone
03:17that what happened that night.
03:19Social media, as I said,
03:21what is the solution to this?
03:23Slow down the internet.
03:25Put up a firewall.
03:27In our country, this is a good incident.
03:29Put up 144.
03:31Here we have put up a firewall.
03:33Slow down the speed of the internet all over the country.
03:35Because of which,
03:37WhatsApp, social media apps,
03:39Twitter, Instagram,
03:41this is not working.
03:43Can Twitter and Instagram
03:45win the fight of the journalists?
03:47This competition is not between Twitter and Instagram.
03:49This competition is between Twitter and Instagram.
03:51It is about thinking.
03:53You agree with it,
03:55you disagree with it.
03:57Their thoughts are based on their political views.
03:59Their thoughts are based on their political views.
04:01What they think can be seen on Twitter.
04:03Instead of getting out of the prison of ego,
04:05Instead of getting out of the prison of ego,
04:07Engage with these people who disagree with you.
04:09Engage with these people who disagree with you.
04:11You use your power.
04:13Political parties work on the basis of views and thoughts.
04:15Political parties work on the basis of views and thoughts.
04:17You can kill them.
04:19You can suppress them.
04:21But you can't defeat them.
04:23The government is trying hard to continue this fight.
04:25Because this is a matter of their survival.
04:27Because this is a matter of their survival.
04:29Because this is a matter of their survival.
04:31Because this is a matter of their survival.
04:33Because this is a matter of their survival.
04:35So they say,
04:37against this,
04:39do the hardest work.
04:41Bilawal Bhutto said,
04:43how to use the stick.
04:59Shahbaz Sharif is
05:01talking about ending this.
05:05Shahbaz Sharif is talking about ending this.
05:11I am not surprised
05:13to see these statements.
05:15With the political elites,
05:17With the political elites,
05:19the purpose of their survival is
05:21to kill the people of the outside world.
05:23to kill the people of the outside world.
05:25Somebody thought People's Party and Noon could work together.
05:27Somebody thought People's Party and Noon could work together.
05:29Anyway, Bilawal Bhutto
05:31How he talks of political revolution.
05:33people's party, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's party, Benazir Bhutto's party, they are trying to
05:38control the people of this country with a stick. This party is democratic, it used to fight
05:43for the democracy. Now they want to fix the democracy and the people. They want to fix
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15:51that there would be freedom of movement, which is a right of Ahmad Araf.
15:57But you know that you won't get that freedom.
15:58No, no, why not? People come out first.
16:00Look, the matter of coming out first is in its place.
16:02There was a discussion on that too.
16:03At that time, this was the thought and this was perhaps not the expectation
16:05that there would be some kind of restriction
16:07that in coming out first, groups will be scattered.
16:09Honestly, I am surprised if you are saying that we don't know.
16:11Look, I will talk about this later.
16:12There will be a discussion within the party.
16:14But at that time, this was the decision at the operational level
16:17that all of Pakistan should be mobilized on one day
16:20and people should come out on the same day.
16:22You can say that perhaps there was a mistake in this.
16:24Different groups should have come out earlier.
16:26But for the large number of people who had to come out,
16:29it was decided that people would come out from everywhere on the 24th.
16:33It was not possible to do this on the 24th.
16:35And the people who came out in small numbers,
16:38they reached on the 26th or 27th.
16:41And the distance of 20-30 hours,
16:43they decided to reach Islamabad from Lahore.
16:47Now look, the leadership of Punjab is that.
16:49Leadership is not the name of one person.
16:51These are the MNAs and MPs
16:53who have been competing for the best personality since the last one and a half years.
16:57Their homes have been demolished.
16:59Their children have been beaten up.
17:01They have been kidnapped.
17:02They have been in jail for 10-12 months.
17:04They are standing with the party.
17:06How can you say that they are not with the party
17:09or that there is something missing in them?
17:11There was a reason why they could not reach.
17:13And Mr. Khan accepted that reason.
17:15But why doesn't Ms. Bushra accept this?
17:17No, it is not like that.
17:19The language they used, the harshness.
17:21Did you talk to Mr. Khan in a harsh language?
17:23No, there was not much detail.
17:25I read somewhere, someone told me that
17:27she has been in jail for a year.
17:29But all the incidents and the situation
17:31were not there at that time.
17:33Now the situation is coming out.
17:35The MNAs and MPs of different parties
17:37are talking and telling us.
17:39What they had to bear.
17:41So it is becoming clear.
17:43It is not that Punjab did not want to come
17:45or that Punjab has a low self-esteem.
17:47It is not like that.
17:49It is becoming clear now.
17:51It is on social media.
17:53Where is the cowardly leadership?
17:55Then everyone picks it up.
17:57But that is true also.
17:59On 20th or 19th in Peshawar,
18:01there were 10-15 people present.
18:03There was a senior leadership.
18:05There was a wife.
18:07I was told that they used harsh words.
18:096-7 times they used the word
18:11and the day of 24th has not come yet.
18:13This is what she thought of this.
18:15I think such words will not be used in future.
18:17That is why there was a discussion
18:19within the party that these words
18:21should not be used.
18:23I was in Lahore that day.
18:25I heard that you were the
18:27first one to react.
18:29We have to answer the families
18:31not the parties.
18:33I am talking about 24th.
18:35On 24th there was such a ban
18:37that everyone in Lahore,
18:39ticket holders and MNAs
18:41were not allowed to leave their houses.
18:43I was in Lahore the whole day
18:45and what I saw,
18:47I kept on explaining
18:49that 10-20 people
18:51were not allowed to stand there.
18:53We used to decide
18:55that we will meet 20 people
18:57at a certain place.
18:59The whole city was closed
19:01for people to come out.
19:03That is why it is naive to say
19:05that you should not come out.
19:07Now that you are sitting in front of me,
19:09I could not talk to you
19:11after the protest.
19:13Like every other time,
19:15no one knew what to do.
19:17What is the plan?
19:19The people in Islamabad
19:21in front of Kulsoom
19:23because nowadays
19:25people talk about Kulsoom hospital
19:27and in front of it
19:29there was Ali Amin.
19:31No one knew what to do.
19:33No one knew what to do.
19:35BB was saying that we have to go to D-Chowk.
19:37The rest of the people did not know anything.
19:39The kind of planning
19:41that should have been done
19:43could not be done.
19:45This can be weighed
19:47and it will be seen.
19:49Walkie-talkie should have been done
19:51so that we could have a conversation.
19:53But that could not be done.
19:55The phones were working
19:57unless you did not want to use the phones.
19:59Now the thing is
20:01why did the bullets go there?
20:03What was the lack of planning
20:05in the organization?
20:07That is not important now.
20:09It would have been better
20:11if the planning had been done.
20:13But this was a historical cut.
20:15And the bullets went there.
20:17Now this is important.
20:19Was Mrs. Mushta stopped from making a statement?
20:21There was no discussion about this today.
20:23What will be her role in the future
20:25Mr. Khan will definitely decide.
20:27But she expressed her gratitude
20:29for her courage.
20:31She said she stood there
20:33and brought the caravan.
20:35She did not stumble.
20:37The bullets went there.
20:39It was not possible for anyone
20:41to stand there at that time.
20:43There were no commandos
20:45or marines.
20:47When you shoot at the people
20:49of the state,
20:51a group of people
20:53will be killed.
20:55You were not with the procession
20:57but you were with Peshawar
20:59Did you meet Murad Saeed?
21:01No.
21:03From yesterday,
21:05the Minister of Information
21:07has been saying that
21:09Murad Saeed was in the procession
21:11and he is in KP.
21:13I did not meet him.
21:15You did not bump into him?
21:17No.
21:19Did you listen to Ali Muhammad Khan's audio?
21:21Yes.
21:23I have seen many people
21:25from your party
21:27like Shaukat Yusuf Zahid,
21:29Shafzal Marwad,
21:31Ali Muhammad Khan.
21:33Other people are doing the same.
21:35Is there a division in the party?
21:37Or are you very open?
21:39It is not about being open.
21:41There should be a discussion
21:43within the party.
21:45You are telling us
21:47to focus.
21:49You could not convince your party
21:51on the night of 26th.
21:53This happened a few days ago.
21:55I told Shaukat Yusuf Zahid
21:57to end this discussion.
21:59This discussion is not important anymore.
22:01The discussion is about
22:03the martyrs
22:05and the state's bullets.
22:07Did you take back your position?
22:09You are the active
22:11Secretary General of the party.
22:13I am serving the party.
22:15But I think
22:17we will discuss this later.
22:19This is not the time to discuss.
22:21Today, Mr. Khan said
22:23we will only discuss the martyrs.
22:25But you are saying
22:27this is not off the table.
22:29We will discuss later.
22:33It is not off the table.
22:35Technically, no.
22:37Is this the reason
22:39we have been telling you?
22:41No, it is not like that.
22:43There is a lot going on.
22:45This is not the reason.
22:47I will say this again.
22:49Somebody told me
22:51that you were the first one
22:53to use harsh language.
22:55You were the first one.
22:57Then there was Mr. Firdaus Naqvi.
22:59I was told by an important
23:01member of your party
23:03that you will resign.
23:05After you, Mr. Sabzada resigned.
23:07He almost endorsed
23:09Wasim Badami's program.
23:11He said he is a respectable man.
23:13I cannot tolerate this kind of talk.
23:15This was a temporary thing.
23:17I think the temperature will go down.
23:19Things happen.
23:21Temporary things happen.
23:23There is a reaction.
23:25But there are some basic things.
23:27What is your demand?
23:29You want to make a judicial commission.
23:31On the night of 26th November.
23:33We want the law and the constitution
23:35to be followed in this country.
23:37This is a serious matter.
23:39We will file an FIR.
23:41We will ask for a judicial commission.
23:43We will raise this issue
23:45at every level.
23:47We will do this in the parliament
23:49and in the country.
23:51Of course, our friends are sitting outside.
23:53They are talking about this.
23:55We don't need to tell them.
23:57They are talking about this.
23:59We cannot run away from this.
24:01This is an element of 26th November.
24:03You are focusing on the night of 26th November.
24:05I understand you are very focused on this.
24:07You are not interested in Imran Khan.
24:09What about the other political side?
24:11You want to get Imran Khan out.
24:13You want to conduct an election audit.
24:15How will you do that?
24:17We will continue to make requests.
24:19This is why we consider 26th November
24:21to be an action against
24:23the Pakistani system.
24:25When the freedom of the judiciary
24:27was violated,
24:29when the representatives of the government
24:31or the elected benches
24:33were involved,
24:35then all those actions
24:37would not have been trusted.
24:39We would have felt that the judiciary
24:41is completely as it should be.
24:43But we will continue to
24:45take this issue to the courts.
24:47You are talking about this
24:49to the extent of the
24:51near future of justice
24:53in the courts and assemblies.
24:55If you are talking about
24:57the near future in the
24:59coming weeks then yes.
25:01I will stay in the last question.
25:03You have not seen any long march
25:05or a protest.
25:07You will see that there will be
25:09meetings of 100 people.
25:11We will gather at the Quran Khani. We will go out to express our solidarity.
25:18But this kind of protest, rally, you may not see for a few weeks.
25:24After that, we will see what happens.
25:26Thank you very much, Mr. Salman Akhundraj.
25:28We will be back after the break.
25:33Welcome back, viewers.
25:35Where the situation is tense,
25:37where the situation and politics are going towards a dead end,
25:40where if you go too far ahead,
25:42then the way back becomes very difficult.
25:46The government always has a way to solve the problems.
25:51Dr. Tariq Fazal Chaudhary is with us.
25:53Dr. Sahab, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
25:54Walaikum-as-salam.
25:55Dr. Sahab, I will come to this in a while,
25:57what solutions can be found.
26:00Mr. Tariq Khan says to make a judicial commission.
26:02Your claim is that there was no firing on the night of 26th.
26:06Mr. Tariq Khan says that our people were martyred.
26:08You should make a judicial commission,
26:10with good judges,
26:11who will decide whether there was a firing on that night or not.
26:14That will solve the matter.
26:16Mr. Kashyap, a judicial commission can also be made.
26:18We have no objection in making it.
26:20And there is no dispute in this.
26:22The reason for this is that we are fully aware of the facts.
26:26And there is nothing that can be hidden.
26:29By the way, on a lighter side,
26:32I had said in Mr. Talat Hussain's program,
26:34he had asked the same question.
26:36I had told him that there is no judicial commission on the death of Jinn.
26:39Because if a person dies,
26:41there are footages of their funerals.
26:44So, there are footages in the hospitals.
26:46In Murree, Khashayat Khan,
26:48Mr. Basri said that there were two funerals.
26:50The names of the boys who died,
26:52are from Koli Satya.
26:54I will not go into that debate.
26:56There is no debate.
26:58I am saying that the contradiction that has come to be seen,
27:01Sir, if 8 people,
27:03if they say that there are 12 people,
27:05and they are giving statements of 12 people,
27:07but the firing has not started.
27:09There are 12 people.
27:11There are 11 or 12 people,
27:13because I had heard that Secretary Talat is saying 11.
27:15Yesterday, Mr. Taimur Jagda was in my program.
27:17He also said 11.
27:19Yes, just now, after the jail, he said 12.
27:21So, if they have come to this figure,
27:23there is no debate.
27:25Whether the firing started or not.
27:27We have no objection in this.
27:29If they are saying Judicial Commission,
27:31it will be formed.
27:33They should be reassured.
27:35The problem is that if Judicial Commission is formed on this,
27:37then the Judicial Commission should be formed
27:39on all the issues.
27:41Who killed the two policemen?
27:43Who killed the three rangers?
27:45Who killed them?
27:47The firing on Attock bridge,
27:49the firing on the road,
27:51all these can be done by a private person.
27:53Who were those people?
27:55Who were the people who kept shooting tear gas?
27:57It is up to the government.
27:59It is up to the government.
28:01What TORs does the government have for Judicial Commission?
28:03The day all these things were happening live,
28:05at that time,
28:07I was in contact with my officials
28:09in Islamabad.
28:11Believe me,
28:13even at that time,
28:15when nothing was happening on TV,
28:17they said that tear gas is being fired
28:19from the protesters.
28:21It is a very dangerous gas.
28:23Sir, how many dead bodies do you think?
28:25You are a minister of Islamabad.
28:27You are a minister of Islamabad.
28:29You are a minister of Islamabad.
28:31How many dead bodies were there?
28:33Look,
28:35there is no figure of 10.
28:37I am saying this with confidence.
28:39There is no figure of 10.
28:41We are confirming the reports.
28:43How many?
28:45I will not go into that.
28:47If there are 5 bullet wounds,
28:49bullet deaths,
28:51if there are 5,
28:53there are 2 hospitals
28:55that have been hit by a car.
28:57I am not saying that
28:59whose car it was.
29:01You can say it was an accident.
29:03During this protest,
29:05like the Rangers soldiers
29:07were hit by a car,
29:09there were 2 such cases.
29:11If there are any bullet wounds,
29:13I am saying this with confidence.
29:15Do you remember?
29:17You said there are 2.
29:19I have always said this with confidence.
29:21If you are saying
29:23that 2 people died in a car,
29:25how many are there in total?
29:27I am not going to speculate.
29:29I am just saying this.
29:31I am just saying this.
29:33I am just saying this.
29:35I am just saying this.
29:37Let's come to the indirect.
29:39Let's come to the indirect.
29:41In PIMS hospital,
29:43do you know how many employees are there?
29:454000.
29:47It is not possible that
29:4920 dead bodies have been taken
29:51and no footage has been made.
29:53No footage has been released.
29:55There are so many people there.
29:57The government cannot zip everyone.
29:59It is not possible.
30:01The problem is that
30:03there are 2 conflicting views.
30:05Like I said,
30:07if you make a commission,
30:09make it.
30:11Mr. Shabaz Sharif announced
30:13that we are going to make
30:15a task force for the internet.
30:17It is better
30:19if you make a judicial commission.
30:21Secondly,
30:23Mr. Shabaz Sharif
30:25has said this.
30:27He has said that
30:29Bilawal Bhutto
30:31has come with a stick.
30:33What kind of politics is this?
30:35We should not give
30:37more opportunities
30:39to the enemies of Pakistan.
30:41This is corruption.
30:43We have to end
30:45the political thinking.
30:47Some say to take the stick.
30:49Some say to end it.
30:51Do you want to shoot?
30:53Let me explain.
30:55We are still in favor of
30:57peaceful political protest.
30:59We have given permission
31:01at the Sangjani.
31:03Peaceful political protest.
31:05This march was neither peaceful
31:07nor political.
31:09How can you decide?
31:11I am deciding
31:13on the basis
31:15of the slogans
31:17before the march.
31:19Let me tell you about
31:21Mohsin Naqvi.
31:23Mohsin Naqvi
31:25stood in Islamabad
31:27and said that he has to
31:29shoot for 4-5 minutes
31:31and no one should be seen.
31:33How long does it take
31:35for the rangers
31:37to fire?
31:39We are standing
31:41in the square.
31:43Let me tell you.
31:45If you are taking his statement
31:47seriously,
31:49Mohsin Naqvi's statement
31:51is also serious.
31:53There is no room
31:55for firing
31:57on any political party.
31:59He has been saying this
32:01from the beginning.
32:03Since such things are happening
32:05from there.
32:07You are saying that
32:09I am not justifying.
32:11I am saying that
32:13this discussion
32:15should not happen
32:17from both sides.
32:19You will fire.
32:21We will not fire.
32:23This should not happen.
32:25You are a political worker.
32:27A politician
32:29always wants to solve
32:31issues peacefully.
32:33Have you ever thought
32:35that we should
32:37solve these issues
32:39through politics?
32:41100%
32:43I deal with all these issues.
32:45There is a sane element
32:47in PTI.
32:49There are people
32:51who want to
32:53take the issues forward
32:55through dialogue.
32:57All their demands
32:59are in the dialogue.
33:01It can be solved from there.
33:03How will it start?
33:05Today, Mr. Khan has
33:07asked us to go to the
33:09National Assembly.
33:11What will be your
33:13response there?
33:15We are already
33:17engaging with them
33:19on various issues.
33:21For example,
33:23the Public Accounts Committee
33:25is a side topic.
33:27We have not yet made
33:29the chairman of the committee.
33:31We are engaged with them.
33:33Next week,
33:35there will be a meeting.
33:37Mr. Tariq Khan will
33:39hold his case on 26th November.
33:41Will you say that we are
33:43engaged with the Judicial Commission?
33:45Yes, of course.
33:47I have said this
33:49many times in your program.
33:51Today, we are sitting
33:53after 10 years.
33:55The solution to the problem
33:57is in dialogue.
33:59We have to tolerate
34:01and move forward.
34:03When you don't tolerate
34:05each other's views,
34:07political thinking ends.
34:09Violence starts from there.
34:11Violence is not politics.
34:13It is a struggle.
34:15It is a contradiction of democracy.
34:17Absolutely, it is a contradiction of democracy.
34:19Violence is the opposite
34:21of democracy.
34:23In the end, Mr. Doctor,
34:25putting restrictions on Mr. Tariq Khan
34:27is a big deal.
34:29He is not in the Government's cards.
34:31No one is discussing him seriously.
34:33When you are in the United States,
34:35there is an option
34:37which is taken by the media.
34:39Neither Governor Raj
34:41nor PTI.
34:43This is not in the Government's cards.
34:45These things will continue
34:47until Imran Khan comes out.
34:49Is there any possibility of him coming out?
34:51The way to come out is the court.
34:53Can't a platelet fall on a stamp paper
34:55worth Rs. 50 like Mr. Neha?
34:57The third thing is
34:59that a platelet does not fall on a stamp paper.
35:01I am a doctor.
35:03Anyways, what you have said
35:05is also a dialogue.
35:07I always give this example.
35:09I always give this example.
35:11In 1999,
35:13after 2000,
35:15in 2017,
35:17in 2018,
35:19there is a discussion
35:21to solve the problem,
35:23to reduce the temperature.
35:25All the marches
35:27that Ali Ameen Ghandapur
35:29has led,
35:31are his own choice.
35:33I will give you two or three names.
35:35I just took the name of Taimur Jhagda.
35:37Shahram.
35:39There are many people like this.
35:41Our MNAs are sitting here.
35:43You talk to a lot of people.
35:45If any of them were a minister,
35:47Imran Khan would have come out today.
35:49I guarantee you.
35:51Imran Khan would not have come out.
35:53The problem is that
35:55the government will fall
35:57on the demand.
35:59You cannot do that.
36:01My point is that
36:03there should be sanity.
36:05There should be dialogue.
36:07It should not be that
36:09I am not ready to talk to you.
36:11I have never said
36:13that I am not ready to talk to you.
36:15You can take the statements of 10 people.
36:1710 people will give you different statements.
36:19Some people will say that
36:21you should talk to the PTI.
36:23They do not believe in talking to politicians.
36:25Then what is our fault?
36:27PTI should talk.
36:29Politicians should solve this problem
36:31by talking.
36:33Thank you very much.
36:35Welcome back.
36:37Welcome back.
36:39In a democracy,
36:41politicians solve five problems.
36:43In this country too,
36:45if you want to get out of this closed lane,
36:47you will have to solve
36:49your own problems.
36:51Allah Hafiz.