What are man things?
With Andrew Lewis
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00:00Manhood, brought to you in part by Reboot Sports Drink.
00:09Thank you for joining us for another conversation here on Manhood.
00:14It's always a pleasure to be here to have that discussion with you
00:18and hopefully change your perspective on a few of the things and topics that are brought up,
00:23if not all the topics that are brought up,
00:25because it's really important that we reflect and make a change in our lives,
00:32because the reason this show has even come about is because we need to address us men
00:38and how we show up sometimes.
00:41And today's topic is no different.
00:44The topic specifically is man things.
00:48And what is man things when you hear it?
00:50Is that a man thing?
00:51Like, what is that?
00:52What do we understand by that?
00:54And to have that conversation here today,
00:56really happy to have Kasten Cupid, sports journalist,
01:01Calypsonian, you know, an all-around good egg, as they say.
01:06Andrew Lewis, a longtime friend.
01:09Andrew presently is a coach for the Canadian team,
01:13but he's a three-time Olympian and has done us proud on so many levels
01:18and is the epitome of, you know, what it means to be a sportsman.
01:21I'm so really happy that you could join us here, Andrew.
01:26And Niall, needs no introduction, Niall McNish, media personality, producer,
01:33and a couple other things, as you would see by the end of this conversation.
01:37You know, put your labels, place it where you will.
01:40Excellent.
01:40So let's get straight into it.
01:43All right.
01:43What is man things?
01:45When we speak about it, you know, there's a, you know, a man thing is driving a truck,
01:50or a man thing is sport, or a man thing is, you know, smoking at one point.
01:56Drive, you know, whatever it is, you know, muscularity.
01:59All these things are considered man things.
02:01But what do we understand or take away when somebody says that's a man thing?
02:05Well, it sounds like gender roles to me.
02:08Like what we would consider gender roles to be generally in a household, you know,
02:12like so man thing won't be washing the dishes.
02:17At least that's my interpretation.
02:19Now, I go in real old school with it.
02:20Please recognize that was Niall's interpretation, right?
02:25Niall's interpretation.
02:26Guys.
02:27Now, I always say that, you know, we are not speaking on behalf of all men.
02:30We are just a few men speaking to all men.
02:33In this case, Niall is speaking for himself.
02:35I'm just saying that traditionally, that would have been something that would have been the line drawn in the sand,
02:43something simple like that, based on gender roles in the household.
02:46Isn't that like a thing?
02:47Taking out the garbage isn't like the man thing to do in the household.
02:50Why?
02:51You know, I think growing up as a boy, you always know that, all right, the girls,
02:56they take care of the house.
02:57They might learn to cook.
02:59They do the washing.
03:00They do the cleaning inside the house.
03:02But the boys do the, you know, go out in the yard, cut the yard, scrub the yard,
03:09do the outside things, take out the garbage, you know?
03:11It tend to, that is what we was brought up in that manner.
03:15Right.
03:16That is a bad thing.
03:17Or even, you don't want to go too deep too soon, but now you can't cry.
03:20It's like, you know, even crying.
03:23Right.
03:24Crying is not a man thing.
03:25That is not a man thing.
03:26So, Andrew, you going to dig even deeper in that hole?
03:29Or are you going to try and go out somehow?
03:31Well, first of all, I'll say that a very manly thing and a man thing in this instance
03:36is to be able to come on a show and be able to speak about this.
03:40Facts.
03:40I think that is a very important thing that is highly shied upon and very,
03:46many people are scared of and politically correct, et cetera, et cetera.
03:50But as everyone has shared so far, it comes from a place of your history.
03:54How you grew up, where you grew up, and how you continue to grow up
03:59is what will be defining those things.
04:02So, you know, the interesting thing to me is the evolution.
04:08And I know we're going to dive into that a lot because I have been able to travel
04:10the world and see what in Trinidad and Tobago is a man thing,
04:14and what in Australia, in Singapore, in different parts of the world,
04:17how these different cultures come together, and all of a sudden you're like,
04:20oh, wow, they do that there?
04:21Oh, they do this here?
04:22And why can't we do that there, et cetera, et cetera?
04:24So I'll dive into that.
04:25But one thing I think is definitely a true man thing is the ability to recognize
04:33that nobody, a true man thing, no one should be hitting one another,
04:41especially a man laying a hand on a woman.
04:44The only hand you should ever lay on a woman is a helping hand.
04:48And that is one of the important things that I will be getting through
04:52in this segment today.
04:54Okay.
04:54I have some, I wouldn't call it a rebuttal, but I have some caveats.
04:59Right.
05:00Right.
05:00So you're in a situation as a man, and like I weigh 160 pounds,
05:07I am now, you know, in an altercation with a woman who's 160 pounds.
05:12And she is clearly winning the altercation because, as a man,
05:17I can't return any retaliation.
05:20Correct.
05:21At what point does it now become abuse on a man's side?
05:27Right.
05:28Or at what point does it, is it okay for a man to say,
05:34I'm defending myself in a situation?
05:36From the start, as soon as someone lays a hand on you.
05:40I can retaliate.
05:42No, I'm not saying retaliate, but at that point in time,
05:45it is a problem.
05:46It is that you are being abused also.
05:49So, of course, it takes two to tango.
05:51And because I say certain things, because man thing is,
05:54there's a more prominent thing happening out in the world,
05:57of a much higher percentage of men abusing women and women abusing men.
06:01And I'm talking, again, that's from the world I have grew up in.
06:05If you are being abused physically, verbally, whatever it is, how it is,
06:10it's still abuse.
06:11And that doesn't mean that you stand up for yourself.
06:13And that is a very important point also,
06:15that at what point in time do you defend yourself and how?
06:17And sometimes people say, well, first of all, what are you doing there?
06:20Because you're possibly with the wrong person from the start.
06:23And you should see a science early.
06:25But then again, that's experience.
06:26Correct.
06:27And I want to say 80% of the population will always be with the wrong person
06:30to begin with.
06:31And, you know, we spoke about that in another conversation
06:34where we spoke about man up.
06:36You know, and one of the things was, you know,
06:38that the men on the panel, we were having that discussion,
06:41they were saying that, you know, if something happens
06:43and someone says man up and they're making you feel a particular way,
06:46you know, making you feel insecure about yourselves,
06:48because most of the time we know our own insecurities.
06:51But if someone is saying it in a negative way, like man up,
06:53and that's their basis for what a man is,
06:56and that basis is incorrect or what is outlined or understood
06:59as a general, what it takes to be a man,
07:02and being a man is being a good man, not a bad man.
07:07In that perspective, you should just walk away
07:09or walk away from those friends.
07:11Now, as I would say, that's all well and good.
07:14It sounds utopian.
07:15It sounds logical.
07:16But the reality is we don't.
07:18We don't always just walk away from things.
07:20I mean, how many people are in jobs that they love?
07:23You know, and you always hear someone who says,
07:25listen, if you love your job, you'll never work a day in your life.
07:28So therefore, if you're still calling it a job,
07:31then how much are you loving it?
07:33But I'm saying all that to say that when we talk about abuse
07:37and walking away, it's easier said than done.
07:41Facts.
07:41And the fact that in a circumstance, at the moment,
07:45if you're being abused, because three,
07:46I think it's one in three in Trinidad and Tobago,
07:48and the highest stats show that the highest suicide rate is men
07:52because men receive it and they don't say anything about it.
07:57But just on your specific point about you're in an altercation, right?
08:02I've been in a scenario like that.
08:03Woman slapping me up because she thinks I'm texting somebody
08:06or doing something back in the day.
08:09And you brace, you move away.
08:13You know, as a friend of mine once said,
08:15even in a fight of, you know, if you have a firearm
08:19or a cutlass or whatever,
08:21your aim is to survive the fight, not to win it.
08:25You don't win a fight.
08:27So therefore, in a situation where if it's fisticuffs
08:29and a woman is slapping you, move away, pal, if you could,
08:32or put up your hand.
08:33Because even at 160 pounds, chances are,
08:36unless she's a Muay Thai fighter or something like that,
08:41you're still stronger than her.
08:43So in your presence, you can hold her,
08:44you can pin her down, you can put your hand up,
08:47or you can mash gas.
08:48All those things are considered hitting one woman, right?
08:52Yeah.
08:52When you hold a woman, the minute that you restrain,
08:55you're immediately in hit mood.
08:57I disagree.
08:57I disagree.
08:58I disagree.
08:59Tell them, Andrew.
08:59Well, okay, we could disagree, right?
09:03Which is okay.
09:04However, we all know how easy it is when an altercation happens
09:09and only two people were in this space at the time.
09:13Yeah.
09:13And you may have just held her or just restrained.
09:17And then based on how the story is being told,
09:21it immediately could easily get very wild for the guy.
09:25Yes.
09:26Right?
09:26So that's why I say the minute that you put your hands on a woman,
09:31you immediately go into the space of you are in the wrong
09:35based on the societal construct that we have.
09:38Correct.
09:39Now, for me is why is it that some women live in a space of delusion
09:46that they could fight with a man who is twice their size?
09:50Because as a man, what's that?
09:52I can't accept that because let me tell you why.
09:55As a man, as a man thing to do, I'm not going to get into a fight that I can't win.
10:00Men, I am not going to, you are twice my size.
10:04No matter how mad I get, I am not going to run into you.
10:08They always say men are more logical.
10:10Women are more emotional in certain cases.
10:14Please, in certain cases.
10:15Of course, we're talking, man, generally.
10:19And therefore, I want to come to a specific point because I don't want to move too much
10:24into domestic violence because we've spoken a lot about it.
10:28We have.
10:28And it's all an understanding that that's how the show sort of was created in the first
10:31place, to reach out to men and to women to avoid such altercations and men going forward
10:37and even killing one another as a result of emotion and misled judgment, misled, you know,
10:44emotional behaviors.
10:46I want to say that in the instance of interpretation, there's an old saying, you know, it is better
10:53to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
10:56Okay.
10:56I agree with that.
10:57So, if in this case, it is better at that point than if a woman's coming to you with
11:02a knife or a pot or something like that to restrain as best as possible to avoid something
11:09going further for both yourself in injury or your reaction to say, you know, you get
11:14stabbed, you are now going to go into survival mode and heaven knows what you're going to
11:18do, right?
11:19And in the same way, for her as well, to say, let's tell the story, you know, accurately
11:25or whatever the case may be, after the fact.
11:29But at that point is what we're referring to.
11:32What is the best, Andrew, as we were speaking about, what is the best thing to do?
11:36And it's certainly not to hit them up.
11:39No, definitely not.
11:40But think of it like a child, right?
11:42If a child does something wrong, you'll discipline him.
11:45A lot of us as Trinidadians will discipline with a little bit of force, right?
11:48I think that's like the standard in Trinidad, right?
11:51But you're not as an adult.
11:54I don't know, eh?
11:55I disagree.
11:56Because I have a seven-year-old and I have never once laid a hand on him.
12:00Did you ever have to?
12:03He's my child.
12:04He's wild.
12:05So, you know, there are many instances that, you know, my thing is, you know, like the old
12:09people say, you know, I brought you into this world, you know, I could take you out.
12:13But I believe that me sitting him down and having a conversation, a discussion about
12:18what he did makes the change.
12:20Like, I think rather than embarrassing or a hit, because all he's going to remember
12:24is that act.
12:25And then what he does or doesn't do is then from a position of fear, as opposed to a position
12:30of understanding, right?
12:32And the other thing is, you know, they say sometimes a good grip, you know, a good grip
12:37on a child, like back in the night, you get a pinch and so on, but a good grip on, hey!
12:41You know, with this thunder boom voice.
12:44You know, that in itself is, you make him realize that, hey, you know what?
12:48Let me come back to reality.
12:50Let me come down from whatever cloud I'm there floating on with regards to what I'm doing
12:54and understand.
12:55But that's still fear, though.
12:56That's still, and again, just to, and I want to make sure I'm bringing all you guys in the
13:00conversation, but it's still, you're using fear or you're using your dominance as a man
13:05in that situation to discipline your child.
13:08So what I'm saying is that you are not, as a man, going to apply all the fear and pressure
13:15that you could put on to a child because you would feather based on how much trouble
13:21the child gave, right?
13:22So my thinking is, when you're applying that to a woman, it's discipline, right?
13:29And I'm saying that in a weird way, right?
13:31Let me try to restructure that.
13:33Yeah, please do.
13:34I don't want, please do, because I want to bring the other guys to, you also need to
13:37go to a break, but.
13:39Right?
13:40Someone does something wrong, you don't want them to do it.
13:43I mean, they need to know that it's not okay, I'm not okay.
13:45That is called discipline.
13:46Yeah.
13:47That is what the actual framework of that is being called.
13:51If it is someone now, that same person is now an adult, my age, it is still disciplining
13:56now.
13:56But you brought up, you're bringing up discipline and you're making a correlation
14:01to fear, like you said, with my son.
14:03But it's not, fear is difference in terms of also understanding the consequence of your
14:09choices.
14:10Okay.
14:11Right?
14:11So me speaking to him is not necessarily fear because there's no fear because there's
14:16no consequence in his mind as to what's going to come after that because he's never
14:22gotten hit.
14:22So what is he in fear of?
14:25And you know, as I said that, not to cut you, but.
14:28No, no, but please do.
14:29As I said that, he doesn't know the consequences.
14:33Right?
14:34So do you think that you should give him a good schooling so he know what the consequences
14:39are?
14:40Because.
14:40The consequence of choice, Carsten, is what I'm saying.
14:42So what he has is he knows if I do this, this is going to happen.
14:47It's either no YouTube, daddy's going to be upset.
14:52Those types of things.
14:53And because of the relationship that we have, they are strong enough for him to make a determination.
14:58I don't want to do that.
15:00I don't want to disappoint.
15:01I don't want to not get certain things.
15:04And that's why I'm saying there's an understanding of disappointment or consequence and action
15:08as opposed to fear.
15:10Because fear is that, you know, some sort of physical retribution is going to occur.
15:18Am I?
15:19I agree 100%.
15:21I am a very conscious parent and never lay any hands in my children or my daughter.
15:28So the idea is communication.
15:30The idea is the ability to understand that they are extremely intelligent human beings from
15:36birth and that while they are communicating on a different level as they grow up, they're
15:43extremely smart enough to you have to understand how they communicate.
15:48So you put physical, you create fear.
15:51And you create a fear-based human being.
15:53And the more fear-based human being is the more fight or flight you create of a human being.
15:57The more fight or flight is the more retaliation you will create in the long term.
16:02So if you come back to more of a place, and this is, a lot of this is the inception of bad behavior.
16:13You beat a child into a certain place, you will beat them into a person.
16:18And that they will think it's okay to beat other people.
16:20From the time you lay a hand on someone that's six, seven years old, or whatever the age is,
16:25as early as they can remember, it is showing them that it's okay to lay a hand on someone else.
16:31And I would agree with that.
16:32We need to go to a break, but also just to touch on that, just say that what you're also doing is,
16:38because they're supremely intelligent, what you're also doing is you're creating adjustment.
16:45So in that case, they're just going to adjust to, okay, this is what happens at that particular point,
16:50or in fair view, and they become either more solid in their determination later on,
16:55and they become harder persons, and you want to know why is it we can't get a person,
17:00because in a mindset, they're becoming more and more, the walls are going up,
17:05and they adjust in order to survive, because that's what we ultimately do.
17:09And even in those situations, we find ways to survive.
17:11But I want us to go to a break, because this is all good conversation,
17:17all rich conversation, as a friend once said, but you need to come back to man things.
17:23Man things.
17:24What is man things?
17:25So please stay with us.
17:27This is Manhood.
17:39Thank you for staying with us.
17:40This is Manhood.
17:41Kasten, Andrew, Niall, having the conversation here today.
17:45We're talking about what is man things, and we spoke about domestic violence,
17:50we spoke about interaction with children, we spoke about a lot of things that are good topics,
17:56and a good conversation as well, that all comes into what is considered a manly thing,
18:03but we want to get a little bit more specific now.
18:05We want to go back into when people say, that is a man thing, like doing sports,
18:09and somehow women shouldn't do certain sports.
18:11So we say, you know, when we now see women driving a truck or wearing certain clothes,
18:16you see women wearing tuxedos and things now, and they say, that is a manly thing.
18:20I want us to get into what our thoughts are on that, and we shared a couple things during the break,
18:24and I want to take it from the break, into the recording, into the public eye, and have a discussion.
18:31I feel now I like a girl in a tuxedo.
18:33I feel any vibe.
18:34I actually find that as a flyer thing, which now started having to be kind of weird,
18:38because I don't see it.
18:39As you say, I really like to see a girl driving a truck.
18:42Agreed.
18:43I really like to see that now.
18:44Right.
18:45Nobody's saying it's a negative.
18:46No, but wait.
18:47If that is a manly thing, what's going on with my mentor?
18:51Like, am I supposed to think about, you know,
18:53you know, someone's saying that I'm starting to have existential crisis right now.
18:56What we're saying is, and I'm glad you brought it up,
18:59we're not saying it's a negative thing.
19:01Because, like you, I quite like to see a woman in a tuxedo,
19:04when you see them in their, you know, and a truck, you know,
19:09you know, women playing sport.
19:11And construction?
19:12Women in construction.
19:13I've never seen that as yet, by the way.
19:14What do you mean?
19:15You're going to say, I want to talk to a big marketer.
19:16I've never seen that.
19:17Yes, I have.
19:18I have friends who have contractors.
19:21They do construction.
19:22They mix concrete.
19:23Mixing concrete?
19:24Mortar.
19:24They bring up tiles.
19:26Leveling and levant.
19:27And they're doing pretty good work.
19:29So, why are we talking about man things?
19:33Are we, are man things becoming extinct?
19:37Technically, yes.
19:38You know, because we come in an all-inclusive world.
19:41And so many things that we deemed,
19:43or we thought that were manly things,
19:45no, women can do it.
19:47It's okay for women to do it in a positive way.
19:50And some things that we think are manly things,
19:52in a negative light, well, they're not so manly anymore.
19:54Because...
19:55So, Kassel, are we now saying,
19:56and then, so, so, can we identify,
19:58is there anything then that is a man thing?
20:00Or is it just what used to be only for men?
20:04And now they, now we have,
20:06now it's an incorporation into,
20:07in all under equality,
20:08and that women can do anything.
20:10Is there anything that we now say is,
20:12there is a,
20:13when we use the word man thing,
20:14there's no longer,
20:15it's a...
20:16I think the world that we are,
20:18that we're evolving into,
20:20there's no such thing as woman thing and man thing.
20:23I agree.
20:24You understand?
20:25This is my thing.
20:27This is what I can do.
20:28This is what I like to do.
20:29Whether, no matter my gender.
20:31You know what I mean?
20:31So, manly thing could be,
20:34could become archaic.
20:35You know what I mean?
20:36Well, it should become archaic.
20:38That's how I look at it.
20:39Women, we see it's a level playing field.
20:42Equal pay, equal everything.
20:44You know?
20:44No, wait, wait, wait.
20:45All of that's not the case.
20:46All of that's not the case.
20:48Hold on, let me adjust the mic here.
20:49Let me just clarify my thoughts on that.
20:51I've done it in a couple conversations.
20:52I'm glad my brother Andrew is here as well.
20:55Because we could talk about a unisex Olympics.
20:58Right?
20:59Oh gosh.
20:59What are you doing, man?
21:00Look, but again,
21:01we need to bring it down to the understanding
21:03of why certain things are.
21:05It just, it just is.
21:06Right.
21:07Right?
21:07So, if you have a 100 meter
21:11and you have Shari, Shari Richardson.
21:16Yeah.
21:17Shikari.
21:17Shikari Richardson running with Usain Bolt.
21:21First of all, nobody can run with Usain Bolt.
21:23But I know I'm straight up into context.
21:25Gotcha, gotcha.
21:26Right?
21:26Or even the third, fourth, fifth runner
21:29in the 100 meter men.
21:30Because remember,
21:31most of the top runners are hitting
21:339.7, 9.8,
21:35well, not 9.7, but 9.8, 9.9,
21:38all 10 seconds and under.
21:39Sub 10.
21:39Right?
21:40Sub 10.
21:40Right?
21:41The women, the fastest woman,
21:43which is Flojo, right?
21:45Florence Griffith Joyner, right?
21:46Yeah.
21:47Right?
21:48They're hitting, they're hitting
21:4910.62 or 7.
21:51No, 10.60 something.
21:52Right.
21:52So you understand there
21:54that even the slowest man
21:56in the 100 meter
21:57is the fast,
21:58would have been,
21:59is faster than the woman's time.
22:01Gotcha.
22:01So we have to look at,
22:02in those arguments,
22:03it would be unfair.
22:04But yet still,
22:05when you have a man
22:06now looking to enter
22:08in a woman's race
22:09because they are below average,
22:11you know,
22:11and cleaning up,
22:13right?
22:13It's a problem.
22:14I'm just saying there's a reason.
22:16Physically,
22:17there's a reason for that.
22:18I want to just talk,
22:19before we comment on it
22:21because I know Andre want to see,
22:23you know,
22:23in his days of sailing
22:24and, you know,
22:25somebody pulling up
22:25in the laser,
22:26laser there
22:27and there's a woman there
22:28because also you might
22:29get distracted,
22:29you know?
22:31You don't look like a man
22:32like I get distracted easy.
22:33But,
22:35and let's look at football.
22:37So women want equal play.
22:39Now I watch,
22:40I love to watch you.
22:41Equal pay.
22:42Equal pay.
22:43Right?
22:44For equal play,
22:45right?
22:46So I am saying that,
22:47okay,
22:48so the US women
22:49team really got me
22:51watching football
22:52as in women's football.
22:53I watched the last World Cup
22:55and the World Cup
22:55before that
22:56and really good football.
22:58But when you have,
22:59when you hear people,
23:00mainly women,
23:01mainly women
23:02asking for equal pay
23:03in the sport,
23:05sporter,
23:06we're not talking about
23:07job like lawyer for lawyer,
23:09doctor for doctor,
23:10we're talking about sporter.
23:12And you ask for equal pay.
23:15Are the stadiums as full
23:16as to when a man's playing?
23:19If not,
23:20where's the money coming from?
23:22Because the money,
23:22like with the NBA,
23:23into the WNBA,
23:25the stands are empty.
23:26And you ask yourself,
23:28in the men's soccer,
23:29football,
23:30football,
23:31and in the NBA
23:32and all these other sports,
23:33the stands are full
23:34with women and men
23:36who are supporting that.
23:39So therefore,
23:40if you want that,
23:41then equally,
23:42where the money,
23:43where the revenue
23:43is coming from,
23:45why aren't women
23:45supporting it?
23:46Why are women not
23:47filling the stadiums
23:49or filling the courts
23:50in the WNBA
23:51if you want equal pay?
23:55If it's...
23:57I get your point.
23:58But what I also think,
24:01my personal perception
24:02is that
24:03the big corporations,
24:06they're not pushing
24:07the women's game.
24:09Let us draw the example.
24:11Right now,
24:14we are seeing
24:14a deliberate push
24:16on EPL.
24:18Like league for league.
24:19You're seeing
24:20they're pushing EPL,
24:20they're not pushing
24:21Bundesliga.
24:22They're not pushing
24:23La Liga as much.
24:24Just like how
24:25they're pushing NBA.
24:26They're not really
24:26pushing WNBA.
24:28So,
24:29is the investment
24:30behind the men's game
24:31equal to the investment
24:34behind the women's game?
24:35No.
24:35Because,
24:36it's not.
24:37It is not.
24:37the why.
24:38Ask corporate.
24:39And Andrew,
24:39I know you have
24:40a lot of insights
24:41into this.
24:42As the corporate
24:44is going to go
24:45behind something
24:45that they know
24:47they're going to get
24:47bang for their buck
24:48or return.
24:49Correct.
24:49And if they themselves
24:50know that women
24:52and the supporters
24:52aren't behind it,
24:54what is the point
24:55putting a Chase
24:57or a Coca-Cola
24:59or something behind it
25:00when you're not
25:01going to get it turned out?
25:02They have done,
25:03they in themselves
25:03have done their own research.
25:05What if the lack
25:05of support is coming
25:06from the men?
25:08The women coming out.
25:10In the male games,
25:11the women and men
25:12coming out
25:12because the men are there.
25:13But have you seen
25:14a WNBA game?
25:15I haven't.
25:17I haven't.
25:18But that mightn't
25:18be my sport,
25:19but I have seen
25:19the women's soccer
25:20and they are phenomenal,
25:22way better than
25:22in class for class
25:24than the men's soccer team.
25:26Andrew talk.
25:27Save him there.
25:28Save him there.
25:28I like the women's soccer team.
25:30I mean,
25:31the idea is,
25:33so,
25:34Sailing.
25:35Sailing took a president
25:35and said that
25:36they were going to become
25:37the first ever Olympic sport
25:39at 50-50.
25:41There are 300 athletes
25:42that get to go to
25:43the Olympic Games
25:43and sailing,
25:44150 men,
25:45150 women.
25:46Vibes.
25:47Do women and men
25:48race against each other?
25:50No.
25:51Do women,
25:52is there a mixed class
25:53where there's a man
25:54and a woman
25:55on the boat
25:55racing against
25:57other mixed boats?
25:58Yes.
25:59So there are no
26:00sailing classes
26:01where there are
26:02one woman on a boat
26:03and one man
26:04on a boat
26:05racing each other.
26:05No.
26:06It's all balanced
26:07out where it works.
26:09And
26:09this was a great example
26:13of this.
26:14So why,
26:15the question is why,
26:16and I'll get the answer
26:17very quickly.
26:17It's because
26:18the agenda
26:19is not being pushed
26:21behind for the marketing.
26:23So you have to find
26:24a marketable athlete
26:26or team
26:27and you have to push that
26:28so corporate
26:30could get behind that
26:31and sell tickets
26:32in the stands.
26:33But if I'm running
26:34a league of any sort
26:35that's doing really well,
26:37I'm not going to
26:37change the math.
26:38I'm actually going to
26:39build bigger stadiums.
26:40I'm actually going to
26:41keep what I have
26:42and amplify that
26:42until it's no longer
26:44growth oriented.
26:46So why is it
26:47that we're not
26:47having these things?
26:49It's because
26:49there is no push
26:51from it from people
26:52who have a lot of control.
26:52There is so much sport
26:54being played right now.
26:54It's like
26:55you need to have
26:56these,
26:58I would say,
26:58people,
26:59but in theory
26:59it's a US soccer team,
27:01female,
27:02that came up
27:03with this whole push
27:04to have equal pay.
27:05You have to have
27:05these competition starters
27:06which in theory
27:07is the beginning
27:08of these kind of things
27:09and to touch on
27:10what you said
27:11and both of you
27:12said I would say
27:12is that it's evolving.
27:15What men do,
27:16women are getting
27:16very close to being
27:18and doing,
27:18if not doing already
27:19and vice versa.
27:21So in the end of the day
27:21you're going to see
27:22a higher increase
27:24of women
27:25in everything
27:26and the term
27:28of man things
27:30is realistically
27:33on the way out
27:34but it's the same thing.
27:35I think the most
27:36important thing
27:37is to,
27:39of this whole term,
27:41this whole discussion
27:41is to embrace
27:43who you were born as.
27:44That's what I like about it.
27:45I think it was
27:46one of the most manly things
27:47is I personally,
27:49I am born a man
27:49and I am going to stay
27:50a man for the rest
27:51of my life
27:51and I love that
27:52and respect that
27:53and it has a God-given gift
27:54that I have been
27:55putting these shoes to live
27:56and the strength
27:58that I have
27:59where my wife
28:00doesn't have that strength,
28:01I will fall in there.
28:02Where she has that strength,
28:03she will come in there
28:04and that's the world
28:06of where man things
28:07is today,
28:08you know,
28:09is not smoking a cigarette
28:10and riding a horse
28:11or necessarily
28:12play that guitar,
28:14singing a song.
28:15Someone popped into my mind
28:17as you said that,
28:18right?
28:18It's just like,
28:19okay.
28:20But it looks very manly.
28:22It looks very manly
28:23and again,
28:24these are archaic
28:25stereotypes
28:26that we would do
28:29and of course,
28:30even women
28:31may replicate
28:32certain things now
28:32because they may want
28:34to take on more
28:34of a masculine role.
28:37They are.
28:38And that's where
28:38toxic masculinity,
28:40another term that was coined,
28:42comes about.
28:43But I just want to
28:45clarify
28:47that I'm not saying
28:48women don't deserve
28:49equal pay,
28:50I mean equal pay
28:51across the board,
28:52but I know I specifically
28:53spoke about sport.
28:55What I'm talking about
28:56is the why behind it.
28:57So if those things
28:59are looked at
29:00and the stadiums are full
29:02or the stadiums are full,
29:04the courts are full
29:05and the corporate
29:06comes on board,
29:07then by all means.
29:08But at the moment,
29:09until that is addressed,
29:10for whatever reason,
29:12it will not be justifiable
29:13to say,
29:14let me give you
29:15a hundred million a year
29:16as well
29:16because out of what coffers
29:19is that coming from?
29:21Well,
29:21my question is
29:22why in corporate,
29:23I understand sports
29:24and we know what
29:25for whatever reason.
29:26Is that where
29:26great place you're going?
29:28Go where you're going,
29:29great place.
29:30I was going to go right there.
29:31Why in corporate
29:31it's still happening?
29:32That's what I was going to ask.
29:34Like if that's
29:34on the sand spot,
29:35but it's still happening
29:36in reality,
29:37right?
29:37Is it that,
29:38okay,
29:39corporate,
29:40probably in some cases
29:41they want to,
29:42but your target market
29:44just not taking it?
29:45I'm sorry.
29:46No,
29:46no.
29:46In corporate?
29:47Carson,
29:48let me,
29:48let me,
29:48let me,
29:49let me,
29:49let me,
29:49let me,
29:49let me,
29:50let me save Carson here.
29:53I think,
29:53I think when you said corporate,
29:55because we had brought up
29:56corporate in sport,
29:57right?
29:58I think you are still
29:59thinking that we're there.
30:00I think when he refers
30:01to sport,
30:02corporate,
30:02I think we're now going
30:03outside of sport
30:04into someone's,
30:06a director,
30:07a lawyer,
30:08a doctor,
30:09actual corporate
30:09on the table.
30:10Why is it that
30:11Carson Cupid
30:12may get paid X
30:14and another female journalist
30:16because she's a female
30:17does not get equal pay?
30:20Or more.
30:21Dirt.
30:22Sometimes,
30:23sometimes,
30:24ladies,
30:24it's more.
30:25Let's be,
30:26let's be real.
30:27To be clear,
30:27I was talking about sports.
30:31That's why I'm jumping in.
30:32You know?
30:33Yeah.
30:34And,
30:35but,
30:35but I love,
30:36I love the convo
30:37that we're now addressing
30:38the fact that
30:39when people,
30:40what we are saying,
30:41are we all in agreement
30:42that what we're saying
30:43and what we say,
30:43manly things.
30:44It's an archaic stereotype.
30:46For sure.
30:46It's something that's
30:47no longer a manly thing.
30:49Someone says,
30:50you know,
30:50like we spoke about
30:51man up or be a man.
30:53Be a man.
30:54Manly things are no longer,
30:57but I,
30:58I want,
30:59I want,
30:59we need to go to a break.
31:00Right?
31:01But,
31:01but in,
31:02in our final segment,
31:03I want us to talk
31:04a bit more about that
31:05because I'm still not
31:06100%
31:08in agreement,
31:10soul and in agreement
31:11that there's still
31:11not certain things
31:12that are manly.
31:13I want to talk about
31:14the transition.
31:15The transition.
31:16The transition
31:16of how it is today.
31:17And in the break,
31:17we should think about
31:18across the board,
31:20is it,
31:21are we okay with
31:22manly things being archaic
31:23in every aspect?
31:25I'm glad,
31:26I'm glad we're now opening up.
31:28I'm glad we're now opening up
31:29and being real.
31:29But is that,
31:30is that the,
31:31the road we want to go down?
31:32Correct.
31:33Where there are no such things
31:35a man could coin and say
31:37is a manly thing.
31:38Correct.
31:39Are we,
31:39are we losing our identity?
31:41And let,
31:41let's be real,
31:42but we need to take a break
31:43and don't worry,
31:44when we talk about
31:45outside the break,
31:46we bring up
31:47in the segment.
31:48Don't,
31:49don't worry.
31:49Don't feel him missing out.
31:50Don't feel him missing out.
31:50Don't feel him missing out.
31:51So,
31:52this is Manhood.
31:52We'll be taking a short break.
31:53Be right back.
31:59Hey,
32:05welcome back to Manhood.
32:06You know,
32:06we are having a discussion
32:07about man things.
32:09And as we were discussing
32:10just before the break,
32:12we'd be saying that man things
32:14are coming obsolete.
32:16But are we okay with that?
32:17Really good question.
32:18In every aspect of life?
32:20Andrew,
32:21are you okay with that?
32:22Yeah.
32:22I'm all about evolution.
32:25Matthew,
32:25I mean,
32:26I'm Matthew.
32:26Andrew,
32:27I call you out on that,
32:28man.
32:28I actually agree.
32:29I think you're being too,
32:30you're being too,
32:31too correct here.
32:32I actually agree with him.
32:34Are we okay with,
32:35so,
32:36What do you mean losing?
32:38What do you mean losing?
32:39What are you losing?
32:39Your foot?
32:41How are you less of a man?
32:43Your gift,
32:44your God-given,
32:45a,
32:46a,
32:46a,
32:47a,
32:47a,
32:47a,
32:47I'm not,
32:48but I'm not saying that women,
32:50I believe 100% in equality.
32:53What I'm saying to you is,
32:54I was speaking to my aunt the other day
32:55as I was sharing with you guys
32:56in the break.
32:57I promise you that we won't
32:58keep anything from you.
32:59And she's 80-something years old.
33:02And my cousin asked her,
33:04what is her secret to longevity?
33:08Like,
33:08like being so,
33:09at 80-something years old,
33:10still moving around,
33:11looking the way she did,
33:13almost like,
33:14her age is reversing.
33:17And one of the things that she said was,
33:19your friend circle,
33:21about her girl's night,
33:22hear me well,
33:23her girl's night out
33:25is what keeps her going.
33:26That every day she picks up one of her girls
33:28and they do something
33:30and then they all come together
33:31and they talk about different things
33:32that are happening.
33:34We need our space.
33:35You need a space.
33:37So I'm not saying a space
33:38away from a woman
33:39because sometimes when you tell
33:40your significant other,
33:42you're not going on a boys' night out,
33:43sometimes they feel that,
33:44oh,
33:44you need to talk about something
33:46that you can't talk with me.
33:47It's not about that.
33:48It's about,
33:49well,
33:50sometimes it is,
33:51but you need that space.
33:53That's why you have gentlemen's clubs.
33:55And I'm not talking about the ones
33:55where strippers and turn up,
33:56I'm talking about where men go
33:57and where they smoke a cigar,
33:59have a brandy,
34:00have a cognac,
34:01whatever you do
34:02in that particular point.
34:05Andrew,
34:06you and I...
34:07But that's what I'm saying.
34:08Evolution is not about losing,
34:10it's not about losing your friends
34:11because on nights out with the boys
34:12or football or...
34:13So it's still a man thing.
34:15But at the end of the day,
34:17me going to play football,
34:18me going to be with the boys,
34:20that has nothing to do with evolution.
34:21That is a place I go
34:22and that is my space.
34:25But it's still man things,
34:26is what we're saying.
34:26Sure, sure, sure, sure.
34:27You can call it man things,
34:28but at the same time...
34:29But we could do it too,
34:29so it's more man things as well.
34:30Correct.
34:30So the same way your aunt?
34:32Yeah.
34:33Your aunt has her space
34:34where she goes
34:34and so she has her friends.
34:35We all have to have our spaces
34:37and no matter the evolution,
34:40however far that goes.
34:41For example,
34:41part of my man things
34:42is I go surfing with myself,
34:44catch waves,
34:45connect with nature,
34:46ride a wave.
34:46That's my space.
34:47There's no one out there harassing me,
34:49no nothing.
34:49I'm just having an amazing time
34:50connecting with nature,
34:51shredding some water,
34:52come back and boom,
34:53reset, ready to go again.
34:55So the evolution I'm speaking about
34:56has nothing to do with losing
34:57these important places in your life
35:01or your masculinity.
35:02These things I'm talking about
35:03is becoming a better listener.
35:04coming out of your shoes
35:07and standing in your child's shoes
35:08or a woman's shoes
35:09or someone else's understanding
35:10to connect.
35:12And for example,
35:13you go to get a new job
35:14and your boss is CEO
35:15understanding that is okay.
35:17That actually might be
35:17even better for you.
35:19Remove the specimen
35:21and understand the message.
35:22That is a real manhood of hype.
35:24Someone who could understand
35:25that human beings,
35:27man or woman,
35:29can have the most powerful impact
35:32and you could remove
35:33the individual
35:36as what they are born as
35:37and understand the message
35:38and the creation
35:38as it is in front of you.
35:39Absolutely, I agree.
35:40So, sounds good.
35:43That's all a good message.
35:44But I'm still coming back
35:45to the evolution,
35:47equality,
35:48all of these things
35:49in the evolution
35:51of what was man things
35:53in terms of the stereotypes
35:54before
35:54were what we were not
35:56in reflection.
35:58We can look at our behaviors.
35:59We can look at the,
35:59you know,
35:59only men had a seat
36:01in the table
36:02of us as a board
36:02of directors.
36:03All those behaviors,
36:04I would like to think
36:05that men,
36:06even though,
36:06you know,
36:07you're looking to
36:07safeguard your space,
36:09even though you might know
36:10that, hey,
36:10this is wrong,
36:11are you going to come out
36:12now and admit certain things
36:13because that means
36:14you're giving up a seat
36:15at maybe that CEO table.
36:16That's what a real man is.
36:18And agreed.
36:19But how many people
36:21are willing and ready
36:22to be real men?
36:23Not men.
36:23And so,
36:25if you're going to course
36:26correct these things,
36:27that is all part
36:28of an evolution
36:29because we do.
36:30We need to make it right.
36:31We need to make it right
36:33with women
36:33for years upon years,
36:36decades upon decades,
36:38you know,
36:38of oppression.
36:41And it's still going on
36:42in this world
36:42and we still,
36:43you know,
36:43they say when good men
36:44do nothing,
36:45that's what is the real crime.
36:49And we are standing by,
36:50I mean,
36:50in the world
36:51and watching the oppression
36:53in so many other countries
36:54of women up to this day
36:55who can't even go to school.
36:56So I'm not talking about
36:58the fact that in evolution
36:59that perspective
37:00is it needs to change.
37:02It must change.
37:03We can't recall ourselves human
37:05if we continue to accept that.
37:07What I'm talking about
37:08is in another level
37:09of evolution
37:10is that there still must be
37:12a manly thing
37:14that makes us say,
37:15hey,
37:15this is only what a man does.
37:22So you might have seen
37:23a little cut there
37:23at some point,
37:24you know,
37:24the fire alarm went off
37:25so we had to do,
37:26you know,
37:27the manly thing
37:29and vacate.
37:31So,
37:31you know,
37:31so we want to come back
37:33to that,
37:33that some may consider
37:36that,
37:36right,
37:37that I was really
37:38kind of speaking about
37:40to ask,
37:40because I'm asking the question,
37:41a lot of what,
37:42when we sit down here,
37:43it's not that this is my opinion.
37:45Sometimes it is,
37:46sometimes it isn't.
37:47Sometimes it's just
37:48Niall's opinion.
37:50You know,
37:51that we speak about it
37:52because we want to meet people
37:53where they're at
37:54and we want to ask
37:55the question
37:56because somebody
37:56might be shouting
37:57behind the camera
37:58or on the TV screen
38:00going,
38:01yeah,
38:01but what about this scenario?
38:02So we're here
38:03to address those points.
38:04It's not always
38:05whether we believe
38:06in something or not.
38:07We're having that discussion
38:08and to Carsten's point,
38:11what is it,
38:13if anything,
38:13is still a manly thing
38:15that defines us
38:16that only we can do
38:18or should do.
38:21There must be something
38:22and it goes for females as well.
38:24So I'm trying to get,
38:25I want us all
38:26to have that conversation
38:27but I particularly want
38:28to get Andrew
38:29out of the correctness
38:31in that chair.
38:32I want to call him,
38:33I want to call him.
38:34So I'll tell you,
38:36I will tell you
38:37one of the most
38:38manly things
38:39I used to think
38:40that I was searching
38:41for in a woman
38:42and what I believe
38:45was supposed to be there.
38:46So I would say
38:4816, 17 years old,
38:49one of the things
38:50I thought
38:50that had to be
38:52in my life,
38:54whether it's
38:54a future girlfriend,
38:55wife, etc.,
38:56was that person
38:56had to be waking up
38:57and cook
38:58big spread breakfast
38:59early morning
39:00so when I'm ready
39:01to go outside
39:01for training,
39:02big spread there.
39:03What?
39:06Yeah, that's madness.
39:07I can't believe
39:08I used to think
39:09like that.
39:10I can't believe
39:12I used to think
39:12like that
39:13but I understand
39:14where it comes from.
39:15Yeah.
39:15You know,
39:16you look at it
39:17as a sportsman
39:18dreaming and believing
39:19in something.
39:20They have buffet
39:21and cook for the athletes.
39:23People,
39:24my wife sacrificed this.
39:27Then I used to go fishing
39:29with a guy
39:32from down in south
39:33and his wife
39:33wake up,
39:34pack a styrotext,
39:35cooler,
39:36sadder,
39:37aloe,
39:38the works.
39:40And we left
39:40at 4 a.m.
39:41to go fishing.
39:42So that means
39:42we're cooking
39:43like 2 a.m.
39:44So I'm like,
39:45what I want to do?
39:46But you can't,
39:47that is not
39:48what you search
39:49for in a human being.
39:50No.
39:50That is a very
39:51manly thing
39:52in those days
39:53that is a completely
39:54off,
39:56I mean,
39:57that's me opening up.
39:57But you're coming
39:59back to again,
40:01guys,
40:01and I don't want
40:02to wrap until
40:03I get it,
40:04right?
40:04In terms of
40:05is there
40:06such a thing
40:07as now
40:08a manly thing?
40:09There must be.
40:10I think,
40:10I think,
40:11I've been searching
40:12throughout the episode
40:13and I think
40:14what is still
40:16and should be
40:17a manly thing
40:18are not so much
40:19the provider
40:21because women
40:22can provide
40:23even though
40:24they say the man
40:25should provide.
40:25And depending
40:26on your religion,
40:28it could go
40:29different ways.
40:30But I think
40:31what a man
40:31should do
40:32within a household
40:33is no matter
40:34what,
40:35be the protector.
40:37Amen,
40:37I get in somewhere.
40:38Okay.
40:38All right,
40:39I have one.
40:39I ready for you.
40:40I ready for you.
40:40That is a manly thing.
40:42I agree 100%.
40:43And there's
40:44one other thing
40:45that a man
40:47cannot do
40:48and a very
40:49manly thing
40:50is to respect
40:51and understand
40:51that men
40:54can't make
40:54children.
40:55the male
40:56human being
40:57is not designed
40:58to reproduce
40:59and a real
41:02manly thing
41:02is to understand
41:04Do him go there?
41:07Do him go there?
41:08No,
41:08no,
41:08no.
41:08I'm saying
41:09do him go there
41:13and think about
41:14getting pregnant.
41:16Correct.
41:16I think you can't
41:17be that support system.
41:20Well,
41:20no,
41:20I was going to say
41:21a real manly thing
41:22is to understand
41:23that that's not for you.
41:25It's not yours.
41:27You're born a certain way
41:28and you are not
41:29created to be able
41:30to do that.
41:31Leave it alone.
41:33My boy.
41:35Now,
41:35to go to your podcast.
41:37He was digging.
41:38He was digging.
41:39That's a woman thing.
41:40A woman could say
41:41leave that alone,
41:43men.
41:43That's a womanly thing.
41:45So,
41:45in the same way,
41:46that is something
41:47that we need to understand
41:48is a womanly thing.
41:50There are other things
41:51that are just
41:51there,
41:53sacred to
41:54this manly thing
41:54that men could say.
41:55It should be.
41:56It should be
41:57because there are
41:58some men of the world
41:59that will dispute that
42:01and they will use science
42:02to try to say,
42:04well,
42:04why a woman alone
42:05should be able to be able to?
42:06Yeah,
42:06you're going to have that.
42:08Let's start with biology.
42:10Yeah,
42:10it does.
42:10Let's start there.
42:11But there are people,
42:12not me,
42:14probably not yours.
42:16So,
42:16let's bring down
42:16what an actual man could do,
42:18right?
42:19Men are physically
42:20stronger than women.
42:21That's a fact.
42:22Generally,
42:23we go with generalization.
42:25We go with generalization,
42:26right?
42:26On average,
42:28yeah.
42:28On average,
42:28most men.
42:29The most weight I've lifted
42:31has been a man.
42:32Right?
42:32So,
42:33technically,
42:33in a household,
42:34generalizationly speaking,
42:36is that the man should be
42:37the protector,
42:38which makes sense,
42:39right?
42:42On average,
42:43on average.
42:43On average.
42:44Because we have some men
42:45who have some karate women
42:46there.
42:49So,
42:49at the end of the day,
42:51we know that for a fact,
42:52men should be the person,
42:54being the one,
42:55if noise in the night,
42:56you hear something,
42:58use the man to have to get up
43:00and go and check it out.
43:01You're stronger than the girl.
43:03Until kill Billerone.
43:04Huh?
43:04Until kill Billerone.
43:06I mean,
43:07very,
43:08very niche.
43:10By the way,
43:10ladies,
43:11I'm all about equality.
43:12I am one to be at home
43:14and being taken care of
43:16because...
43:17You're looking for kill Bill?
43:19I'm looking for kill Bill.
43:20If someone will need to take care of me
43:21and I will be a house husband
43:23and something go bump in the night
43:26and we're the same weight
43:28and you are a defense force master.
43:32is no longer considered
43:34to be a manly thing
43:35to go out and...
43:35I want to be better
43:36clutch my pills
43:37and be like,
43:38you know,
43:39honey,
43:39go check it out.
43:40I think even in that instance,
43:44as a man,
43:45you still need to go and do it.
43:46And if you need backup,
43:48you know your backup's strong.
43:49I understand that.
43:49If it is we're talking about equality,
43:51which is what we're talking about,
43:53why is it as a man...
43:55We're not supposed to have that
43:56because it's supposed to be applied across the board.
43:59No,
43:59we're not specifically talking about equality.
44:00We were referring to...
44:02Agreed.
44:02But it's a manly thing.
44:03You know,
44:03you're going off on a tangent now.
44:05It's a manly thing.
44:06I'm glad you got the point out
44:07because part of manhood
44:08is there's never one specific thing
44:10that we talk about.
44:11It's all intertwined.
44:12It's all interconnected
44:13and therefore,
44:14from domestic violence,
44:15as we mentioned it,
44:17and this,
44:18this I would like to say
44:19would be my summary
44:20because we need to summarize
44:21or close this segment
44:22so I could get things kicking off.
44:26In that summary of things,
44:28you know,
44:28we spoke about,
44:29you know,
44:30domestic violence.
44:31We spoke about being a protector.
44:33We spoke about
44:34how we interact with children.
44:36All of these different things,
44:37they're all really,
44:38really good topics
44:39and come to what really
44:43our understanding is fundamentally
44:44of what it is to be a man.
44:47And that is where,
44:48again,
44:48we talk about as a basis.
44:50Before you can take anything,
44:51in order to know where you're going,
44:52you have to know where you come from.
44:54Right?
44:55If you don't know that,
44:56then what's your benchmark?
44:58So,
44:59to me,
44:59I would still,
45:01and I think I have some clarification
45:03or further clarification,
45:04not really what is still a man thing,
45:07but I have a better understanding,
45:09thank you brothers,
45:10as to
45:10what,
45:13what that is for you
45:15and what that is,
45:15what,
45:16what is that perception
45:17to a manly thing.
45:18Now,
45:19for me,
45:20and Carsten,
45:21you clarified,
45:22one,
45:22being a protector,
45:23for me,
45:23the manly thing,
45:24and if there is still manly things to do,
45:27because of course,
45:27we're not talking about the archaic stereotypes,
45:29that needs to be canned.
45:32We're no longer,
45:32we're not talking about that,
45:33we're bringing up equality,
45:35we're bringing up,
45:36you know,
45:37certain behaviors that are,
45:39and you,
45:39Andrew,
45:40and I hope that,
45:40I'm going to come away from the summary,
45:43because I hope in your discussion,
45:44or your summary,
45:46you mentioned at the start,
45:47about what it takes,
45:49what is considered a man in Trinidad,
45:51versus what you've experienced,
45:52other people saying,
45:54in the globe,
45:54and I think,
45:55I think your experience,
45:56and that,
45:57and that salvo,
45:58is very important,
46:00that I,
46:00I'm sure the viewers would love to hear about,
46:03to,
46:04because it's different,
46:05and what,
46:06what is the common thread,
46:07that we understand as being a man,
46:09so I,
46:10I would,
46:10I would close for me,
46:13by saying that,
46:14a man thing,
46:16is also,
46:18to be a leader,
46:20and a man thing,
46:21which is specific to us,
46:23is to,
46:24ensure equality,
46:27that is,
46:27that is the man thing,
46:28that is the one thing,
46:30that we can do as men,
46:32is to ensure that equality,
46:34and in that protection of women,
46:36is to protect their rights,
46:38our rights have been protected,
46:39our rights have been indoctrinated,
46:42our rights have been lived out,
46:44right,
46:44what is important,
46:45as a man thing,
46:47if you want that understanding,
46:48of my understanding,
46:49of what I'm putting it,
46:50putting my foot down,
46:51as an understanding of a man thing,
46:53is to protect,
46:55a woman's right,
46:56as well,
46:57to equality,
46:57blessings,
47:00I agree to that,
47:00yeah,
47:01I agree to that,
47:02nice man thing,
47:03nice big man thing,
47:04big man thing,
47:05all right,
47:06let me give my,
47:07summary real quick,
47:08right,
47:08this is a man's will,
47:14right,
47:15men,
47:16but it is,
47:19but it is,
47:19you know why,
47:20because men,
47:21most men fight,
47:22fight wars,
47:23wars is how,
47:24you know,
47:25most people dictate,
47:26who's in charge,
47:28this is the reality,
47:29I go to,
47:29what is life,
47:30right,
47:31and hence,
47:32the men,
47:33make the rules,
47:34and to go to your point,
47:35Robert,
47:35is that,
47:35stronger men,
47:37won't take advantage,
47:39of weaker men,
47:40right,
47:40and when I say men,
47:42or man in this time,
47:43I'm actually saying humans,
47:44right,
47:45so,
47:46it is a man's will,
47:48unfortunately,
47:50and,
47:51being in a space,
47:52or being in a position,
47:53to protect people,
47:54is what,
47:55a real man,
47:56I consider,
47:58should be,
47:59but I would leave with one question,
48:01which is,
48:02and just a touch back,
48:03really quickly,
48:03on the whole equality,
48:05inequality,
48:06in the pay gap,
48:06right,
48:07one quick question,
48:09women,
48:10generally,
48:11get less,
48:12than men,
48:13why is it,
48:14as an entrepreneur,
48:15I just don't hire all women,
48:17and pay everybody less,
48:18and make more money,
48:19you know,
48:21so guys,
48:22I'm here just to provoke people,
48:24so don't,
48:24don't,
48:25don't,
48:25do too much of what I said,
48:27while I leave it with that,
48:28my summary,
48:28wouldn't be as long,
48:30I think,
48:32my perception of,
48:34man thing is,
48:35knowing your strengths,
48:36and weaknesses,
48:38knowing your partner's strengths,
48:39and weaknesses,
48:40or just general,
48:41human strengths,
48:42and weaknesses,
48:43and not take advantage,
48:45for or against,
48:46and man thing is being,
48:49being,
48:51the,
48:51the,
48:51the,
48:52the knowledge to know,
48:54when you're right,
48:55but you're being perceived to be wrong to know,
48:58all right,
48:58step away from a situation,
49:00being the bigger man,
49:01is a man thing,
49:02that is a serious man thing,
49:05being a bigger person,
49:06sorry,
49:07bigger person,
49:08being a bigger person,
49:10and in this,
49:11evolving world,
49:12that we live in,
49:14you know,
49:16staying true to your core values,
49:19in,
49:19in,
49:19in every light,
49:20that is big man thing,
49:22you know what I mean,
49:23so,
49:24not to hit,
49:25not to take advantage,
49:27or,
49:27all,
49:27all sorts of,
49:28of things,
49:30I think,
49:30man thing is,
49:33just being a good person,
49:35you know what I mean,
49:36just be a good person,
49:37or this,
49:38strive to be a good person,
49:41and when you,
49:42attain that good person status,
49:45be a better person,
49:46all right,
49:47I like it,
49:47I like it too,
49:48I like it not,
49:49Andrew,
49:49be a better one,
49:51take us away,
49:53but I really wanted to touch,
49:55as part of your summary on,
49:57so,
49:58I would start with Japan,
49:59if you look at Japan,
50:01you would find that,
50:02there's a substantial,
50:04equality,
50:06in a lot of things,
50:07that you see,
50:08you see,
50:09easily,
50:10a woman plumber,
50:11woman gardeners,
50:13a lot of things,
50:14you'd see construction,
50:15a lot of things,
50:16you'd see,
50:17there is,
50:18a lot of male school teachers,
50:21female school teachers,
50:22a lot,
50:23a lot of balances,
50:24even in the airport,
50:26woman lifting my bag,
50:27onto the belt,
50:29a lot of things,
50:30that were just,
50:32a bit confusing,
50:33and it's because,
50:34the Japanese culture,
50:35is raised,
50:36very different,
50:37from the Western world culture,
50:38which is,
50:39Western world culture,
50:40in my opinion,
50:41is,
50:42we have plenty guidelines here,
50:44and we show you,
50:45how to grow up,
50:45and it's how we do things,
50:46whereas Japanese style is,
50:49this is the world,
50:53these are the areas,
50:53in which you could experience,
50:56you choose how you want,
50:57to experience the world,
50:58in these areas,
50:59but these,
51:01this is how we do things,
51:02from the food,
51:03to the culture,
51:04and it's very,
51:04very,
51:05a lot of oneness,
51:06but that doesn't take away,
51:09from the things,
51:10that we spoke about,
51:11that the male is the protector,
51:13doesn't take away,
51:14from the idea,
51:15that we,
51:17as man,
51:19as men,
51:21have a role,
51:22to play in this world,
51:23and whether that is,
51:24in procreating,
51:25or whether that is,
51:26in protecting,
51:27whether that is,
51:28in supporting,
51:30or even being a father,
51:32a very important role,
51:33to a daughter,
51:34or a son,
51:35so,
51:35my,
51:36summary,
51:37or in closing,
51:39is that,
51:42evolution is happening,
51:43there's no doubt,
51:44about that,
51:45I think the world,
51:46from a,
51:47a manly point of view,
51:49is going into,
51:50a much better place,
51:52it is becoming,
51:53a lot more oneness,
51:54a lot more,
51:54equality is being shown up,
51:57and I like that a lot,
51:58I'm all for that,
52:00and it's been a real pleasure,
52:01to be,
52:02you know,
52:02on this show,
52:03with Niall,
52:04with Carsten,
52:05with Robert,
52:06I think one of the things,
52:07I would like to,
52:09close in the scene,
52:10is,
52:11I think,
52:11one of the most manly things,
52:13that have been done here,
52:14is that,
52:15Robert and the team,
52:16at CN3,
52:16had the vision,
52:17to put manhood together,
52:19to continue to help,
52:21the male specimen,
52:22evolve,
52:23into a specimen,
52:24that's allowing,
52:25I mean,
52:26by the end of this interview,
52:28I know Niall will have,
52:28no more female staff,
52:30but other than him,
52:32the rest of us,
52:32are going to be continuing,
52:33to evolve,
52:34grow really well,
52:35and all about oneness,
52:37so as male and female,
52:38continue to connect,
52:39the most important thing,
52:41is manhood continues,
52:42to evolve into a place,
52:43where we as human beings,
52:44can not only be,
52:46wrong and strong,
52:47but strong and be,
52:49more helpful,
52:50and more equal,
52:51so blessings,
52:52love,
52:53and thank you very much,
52:54to the whole team here,
52:55fellas,
52:56respect,
52:57that was beautiful,
52:57manly things forward,
52:59but at the same time,
53:00lovely things forever,
53:02manhood,
53:03manhood,
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