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00:00:00Manhood, brought to you in part by Solomon's Bespoke.
00:00:05Manhood, brought to you in part by Reboot Sports Drink.
00:00:13Welcome to yet another episode of Manhood, where we aim to always be better as brothers,
00:00:19where we're not speaking on behalf of all men, we're speaking simply to all men and of course women.
00:00:25Today's topic, yes, yes, today's topic is another big one.
00:00:29We really are looking to delve into the importance of crime as it relates to sport
00:00:34and sport as it relates to crime and the alleviation possibly of crime through sport.
00:00:42But specifically, we want to use this phrase, fashionably unimpressed.
00:00:48And that's not my phrase, but we're going to use it here on Manhood.
00:00:50I'm sure for most persons out there, it's probably the first time that you've heard it
00:00:55because it was coined by a gentleman who sits on this set.
00:00:58So let me get into the introductions.
00:00:59To my right, Johanse Iodike, behavior change consultant.
00:01:03To his right, the man who coined the phrase, fashionably unimpressed.
00:01:07Michael Phillips, sportsman, creator, former chairman of Sport Company,
00:01:12organizer of Cycling on the Avenue, so many other things.
00:01:15Even blocking off Dago Martin Highway every Sunday for the last 16 plus years.
00:01:20An impressive feat.
00:01:21So we're going to get into that.
00:01:22And to his right, also, my apologies, musician.
00:01:26And to his right, KG, music producer, musician, multi-talented.
00:01:32So let's get really into the importance of sport.
00:01:36The importance of sport to alleviate crime.
00:01:39And I wanted to say that in some research, one of the things that assist in avoiding crime,
00:01:49persons must have three things in their life.
00:01:51Three things.
00:01:53Might just be the three, but three important things.
00:01:56And the first is a steady source of income, legally.
00:02:00A steady source of income.
00:02:02Stable housing and access to care and services.
00:02:06And those are the three things.
00:02:08And of course, we're now trying to explore a fourth that rarely gets mentioned,
00:02:14which is the importance of sport in someone's life.
00:02:17Now, in that same survey, sport was shown as avoiding crime in many ways,
00:02:25but more the real offense.
00:02:27So persons coming out of jail, looking at involved in sport,
00:02:32either while they were inside or outside.
00:02:34The involvement in sport, they were less likely to go into something of a violent nature.
00:02:42Now, I know certain sports, we look at it in a sense and say,
00:02:48okay, well, that's violent in itself.
00:02:49You know, boxing, kickboxing, karate, rugby, all these things.
00:02:54But it's in a controlled environment.
00:02:55And there are penalties for violent behavior.
00:02:57And not really, violence, violence, the definition of violence is the intent to hurt, right?
00:03:06And then even in sports like boxing, or even rugby, or a skate tackle, somebody in football,
00:03:13you mean, many times it's not intent to hurt, right?
00:03:16But MMA, boxing, is it you're intending to hurt?
00:03:18It's not necessarily, you know, you're intending to win.
00:03:21Or how you're knocking a person out if you're not intending to?
00:03:23No, it's a difference between intending to win and intending to hurt somebody.
00:03:26Because even in MMA, right?
00:03:28After, even if somebody knocked down, the person who wins would come to make sure they're okay, right?
00:03:34It's still high fives at the end.
00:03:37So it's not necessarily-
00:03:38You have to die semantics.
00:03:39Die semantics.
00:03:40Because to win in those particular sports, you must inflict some sort of hurt or pain because you can't knock someone out.
00:03:47It's not semantics because even if you think of crime, right?
00:03:51Some people commit crime for survival and some people commit crime for enjoyment, right?
00:03:56That's still two different things.
00:03:57But that's crime, but we're talking about violence.
00:03:58Right, but we're talking about sport as it relates to crime.
00:04:02And if I'm making the dissection there, right?
00:04:06The intent is really important because I could skate-tackle somebody with the intent to break the foot.
00:04:13Or I could skate-tackle somebody with the intent to win the ball.
00:04:15But that's in football.
00:04:16In football, there should not be, or cricket or any of these sports, there should not be any violence
00:04:21because the nature of the sport is not supposed to have any sort of violence.
00:04:28Unfortunately, violence happens by the spectators where they have riots, etc.
00:04:32But in certain sports, the very nature of the sport-
00:04:35Based on the definition you've given, right?
00:04:39Yes, the intent is to win, but you win based on a violent act.
00:04:45You are still here.
00:04:46But I think what your answer is saying, too, which is a good way to look at it, too, is also,
00:04:50let's just say I was a criminal and I run in somebody's house and I cough them in the head.
00:04:55The pain that they would feel is an unbearable pain because they wasn't trained to even feel that type of pain.
00:05:02But as a boxer, you're training to get a lash in your head.
00:05:05So even if somebody hitting me, I'm not looking at it like he intentionally want to give me brain damage.
00:05:10I train to receive these blows now.
00:05:14I will make it a sport and not violence.
00:05:17I will look at it.
00:05:18Correct.
00:05:19I think the common denominator amongst all these things is the willingness to impose dominance.
00:05:25Meaning that in every scenario, if you hit someone, don't hit someone, whether you're playing chess is all the intent of imposing dominance.
00:05:33And that's how, you know, so I tend to look at all of these things and come back to the lessons you learn from looking at national geographic programs.
00:05:43And the fact that we all forget because we have on clothes and whatnot and so on.
00:05:48So we're animals.
00:05:49Exactly.
00:05:50And we don't take into consideration what our natural instincts may be that we try to suppress.
00:05:57Right.
00:05:57So we hide to do everything that animals do.
00:05:59We hide to procreate.
00:06:00We hide to all those sorts of, we hide to go to the washroom, you know, and, but all of those things.
00:06:05And sport is really one of those things where we found an outlet to still express those things.
00:06:10Because at the end of the day, we are still, those things are built into us.
00:06:14You know, I just, just as you mentioned that, because I know we're going slightly off topic here, but you, you, you always have these gems here, Mike.
00:06:23And one of the things is, one of the most addictive things in the world and one of the most watched things in the world is porn.
00:06:29And that ironically, as you mentioned there, we forget that we're animals.
00:06:33You're going slightly off topic.
00:06:35No, but I'm saying, no, but I'm saying too, based on the topic where you talk about we forget that we're animals and we hide to do all of these things.
00:06:42So we do all these things.
00:06:43I mean, people, hide is a strong word in certain things.
00:06:46So we call that civilization, being civilized.
00:06:48Right.
00:06:48In privacy, we do certain things, but yet still it's personal.
00:06:52Privacy, nice semantics now.
00:06:54But, but, but, but it's private.
00:06:55I mean, if, if you're with your woman or you're with your partner, you know, you're not going public with it.
00:07:00I mean, there's a privacy.
00:07:01I'm not hiding.
00:07:02I'm merely doing something.
00:07:03I mean, even sometimes the topic of sex or porn, you just feel people start to, start to cringe one time.
00:07:09Because I'll tell you something that's very interesting about that.
00:07:11But we allow people their privacy, even if it is, we see them are married couple or whatever it is.
00:07:18We don't, we don't think of them.
00:07:20We don't venture that way as to what happens in their bedroom.
00:07:24You know, it's like we, we, we, we even put those safeguards in place where it's, it's that.
00:07:29Yeah, exactly.
00:07:30That could be a worldwide thing, but it's a trinity thing, right?
00:07:33And a lot of times, Trinbegonians care about the look, right?
00:07:38Care about how it looks, trying to be too prim and proper.
00:07:41So, even that, that, what is, it's fashionably unimpressed.
00:07:45So, if I was to make a link, right, fashionably unimpressed, I want to look a certain way in a party, right?
00:07:53That's where we get, you, you see, coasting, we get stush from, right?
00:07:57In your mind, the song might be real good.
00:07:59It might be enjoying itself.
00:08:01You might be enjoying seeing something, but you want to appear a certain way.
00:08:06And a lot of, I mean, we could, we could dissect this in terms of real aspects of Trinidad culture where it's about the look versus about the truth.
00:08:15Yeah.
00:08:15But as, as it is something that, again, you know, I am ironically very impressed with the term fashionably unimpressed.
00:08:25Because it, it, it strikes so many chords and really gives us an understanding and, and that sort of introspective wow moment.
00:08:33And I wanted to, to really, I guess, so people are hearing the term and they're wondering where it came from.
00:08:39And it really came from a dialogue that happened before recording.
00:08:43And we were talking about where, um, what the importance that sport has in terms of impacting crime.
00:08:49And, um, really sport is something that exists as part of a cultural ecosystem.
00:08:57And like any other ecosystem, anything that goes out of whack, you, things go off.
00:09:03So you have no water, you have too much of this, you have too little of that.
00:09:06It does, there's a lack of balance.
00:09:09And what I was pointing out is, um, one of the important factors for sport is recognition.
00:09:16Because hierarchies are developed out of, um, that person getting to the top.
00:09:22And if it is, we have a situation where we no longer know how to respond to excellence.
00:09:27Or we don't respond to it appropriately.
00:09:29There's a, there's a thing of, why bother doing it?
00:09:32And the term fashionably unimpressed is how I see our market across many different things.
00:09:37Whether it be music, whether it be sport.
00:09:39But, uh, and, uh, one of the references I, I like bringing up because, because since I've gotten into music recently, I noticed that if I perform live and I never thought I would have been performing live and being paid to do gigs and so on.
00:09:54But I can tell if they're foreigners in the audience because they respond very differently to Trinidadians.
00:10:00I, I, I always give the example of, um, Richard Marks having a con, uh, a concert in, in the stadium and having to stop the concert and ask the question, guys, are you hearing me?
00:10:13Am I bombing up here?
00:10:14Because I'm not hearing you guys responding.
00:10:16And that too.
00:10:18A man was very big international hits.
00:10:21And written for how many other people?
00:10:23And the fact is you came to the concert because you were impressed.
00:10:26Exactly.
00:10:26Because you like the hits, but yet still you can't, for some reason, show it.
00:10:30You're fashionably on it.
00:10:31It's fashionably on the press.
00:10:33You know?
00:10:34Because it's a facade.
00:10:35I love that.
00:10:35I love that one.
00:10:36It's a facade because.
00:10:38Correct.
00:10:39Instead of free enough.
00:10:40Right.
00:10:41Because the truth is, right.
00:10:42I mean, again, we're not speaking for other countries, but we, we live in Trinidad and Tobago.
00:10:47Yeah.
00:10:48Trinidad and Tobago is very judgmental.
00:10:51Very.
00:10:51Right?
00:10:52So many people who grew up in a culture of not being yourself or, or afraid to be yourself or unsure.
00:11:00Of being yourself.
00:11:01So even as we turn back to, to sport.
00:11:04Right?
00:11:05If I want to be a footballer and nobody coming to see the game.
00:11:09If I want to try something new and play something like tennis.
00:11:13Right?
00:11:14That may be not, not as popular, but not, not many people coming or no, no news camera coming to report.
00:11:21And if recognition is part of our culture and I use you with ecosystem, if that is part of our culture, then if I'm not getting it, then why do it?
00:11:29But, and as Robert said before in one of the conversations, if crime is getting the spotlight, if crime is on TV a lot, if crime is what we're seeing all the time, then I'm not looking for recognition, well, I might as well do that.
00:11:42Correct.
00:11:42So you come back to a certain thing that we were talking about there.
00:11:44So we, we mentioned hierarchies before, which is how you, you, you, you elevate yourselves based on, and common competence or tyranny, meaning that you, you stress your community.
00:11:56And that's how you go up in terms of bullying people.
00:11:58And so, as opposed to your very skill that some young people recognize that.
00:12:02And we are allowing for tyranny to be that pathway for many young people because they don't see the examples any other place.
00:12:09And one of the things, again, I bring up someone who, we have this thing, we, we have a, we have a habit of disassociating, disassociating ourselves from excellence.
00:12:19Pointing, a perfect example is Billy Ocean.
00:12:22So, Billy Ocean from Weiser Baden went abroad and made a huge international success of himself.
00:12:30The other day I was-
00:12:31Huge.
00:12:32Huge.
00:12:32And I, I was introducing him to my, to my young teenage daughter.
00:12:36And I was, you know, she recognizes importance because he was doing a video called Going Gets Tough, which was part of a movie, um, album with Danny DeVito.
00:12:47Um, uh, gosh, the guy from, from, uh, Michael Douglas.
00:12:51Right.
00:12:52And Kathleen Turner was his backup singers in the music video.
00:12:56Right.
00:12:56No, he had them big names.
00:12:57He had the names, yeah.
00:12:58And she, and of course she knew, um, Michael Douglas as Frank Pym from, from Ant-Man.
00:13:04And Danny DeVito from the Batman movies and so on.
00:13:07And she's looking at us and, who is this fella?
00:13:11Right.
00:13:11That these people now in the background, you know, if you remember that video.
00:13:16And I had to give her the story and, and I saw her reaction in trying to figure out,
00:13:21how come I don't know about him?
00:13:23Right.
00:13:23How come he not plastered in places and so on?
00:13:26I find out Billy, I hear the name Billy Ocean a lot, right?
00:13:29But it's only maybe what, 10 years or not too long.
00:13:32I find out that, that he's a Trinidad.
00:13:35Correct.
00:13:36Yeah.
00:13:36From Visor Bank.
00:13:36But, but let, let me give you just, just with regards to that.
00:13:39I met Billy Ocean in England.
00:13:41Well, lucky you.
00:13:42And in the conversation he had, at the time, I mean, of course, in his music videos, he
00:13:46had more of the Jerry Curl and so on.
00:13:48Right, yeah.
00:13:48But when I met him, he had a RAS.
00:13:50Right, yeah.
00:13:50Well, you know, um, dreadlocks.
00:13:52Yeah.
00:13:52And it, in England.
00:13:54And it was actually outside.
00:13:57We had just come from a Trini party and I didn't recognize him in the party until we
00:14:01had gone separately and, you know, it was a small group of us talking.
00:14:04And he had actually mentioned, he said, yeah, well, you know, kind of like most, most
00:14:08Trinis in the environment don't recognize who he was.
00:14:10And he didn't go on to, to, to say what, what he had to say.
00:14:14Just like with, you know, you know, I've had a, uh, uh, you know, some long conversation
00:14:18with Geoffrey Holder as well.
00:14:20Yeah.
00:14:20And they, you know, when he was practically dying in New Jersey, I'd go out to see him
00:14:24and they all had the same sort of, meh, well, you know, they kind of moved past that.
00:14:31You know, the Trinis will be like that.
00:14:33It's almost like they were fashionable, fashionably unimpressed with the unimpressed
00:14:39Trinis.
00:14:41Yeah.
00:14:41Yeah.
00:14:42And like, you know, I, you know, I, I, I get that and I kind of move on.
00:14:45I'm, I'm doing my thing outside.
00:14:47I think a big part of that, that's, there's a culture that we have to change and that,
00:14:51that change has to come from, um, you know, people who could put policies in place and
00:14:56strategies in place to influence that culture.
00:14:59Where did it come from?
00:15:00I'm not sure because we could dive back into just trying to track that.
00:15:04Um, but it's something that, uh, so here are the, here are the significant impacts that
00:15:08it has, um, demotivation of anyone wanting to achieve anything.
00:15:13Um, the fact that it will, that demotivation will have an, a major impact on our economy
00:15:19because we, we're not, the output will be a devalued output.
00:15:23Therefore, we have certain things that we do.
00:15:26Unfortunately, things that we gravitate to somehow there's a, like, like take for instance,
00:15:31carnival.
00:15:31Carnival is a unique product.
00:15:33But there's a certain sin factor to it that allows it to expand beyond sport because sport
00:15:40doesn't have that, especially when I put on events that have children in it.
00:15:43So you can't have alcohol associated with it and so on and not that you should really
00:15:47be pushing for that in that particular environment.
00:15:49But there are things that are overlooked because, um, of who makes the decision now.
00:15:56And, and our entire ecosystem is changing because more females are making decisions
00:15:59regardless of those things and they gravitate to what they like.
00:16:03So things that are, that are not as inclusive, but are more hierarchical in terms of competition,
00:16:08they move away from those sorts of things.
00:16:10And you see where the money is shifting and that now is impacting men and impacting young
00:16:14boys.
00:16:15And if it is, we don't find a way to, to even recognize that is occurring.
00:16:20I've been putting on sporting events for 25 years.
00:16:22I could tell you what the changes make.
00:16:24And I, so I, I've, I've had this habit of studying people and studying behavioral patterns
00:16:29to try and anticipate what that brand manager may be interested in.
00:16:36And, and it's very interesting to see that over that period of time that the archetypes
00:16:41reoccur as in different individuals, that, that, that personality type in different companies.
00:16:48So you could kind of sort out.
00:16:50So like one of the things I'll tell you in particular, everybody is talking about Trump being reelected.
00:16:55All right.
00:16:56And we can't think to ourselves, okay, as Trinidad and Tobago, we're talking, we're
00:17:00worried about oil and gas and whatever it is.
00:17:02The first thing you have to do is think of what appeals to Donald Trump.
00:17:06Who would I send to having a meeting with Donald Trump anytime we're going to discuss Trinidad
00:17:10and Tobago needs or wants?
00:17:13Who would you, in all of Trinidad, who would it be?
00:17:16Take a guess.
00:17:18Wendy Fitzwilliam.
00:17:20He's the only one that, she's the only one that has had extensive conversations with him
00:17:25and it makes great television.
00:17:27And that's what, so that's how you assess an archetype as to what you would want to get
00:17:31out of that to have influence.
00:17:33Right?
00:17:34So.
00:17:35We've had, we've had a couple of terms here this morning, this morning, this evening,
00:17:40this afternoon.
00:17:41I mean, something to live with us for a while.
00:17:44A fashionably unimpressed and an archetype with regards to, you know, even that connection
00:17:52as you spoke about.
00:17:53But, um, we need to take a break.
00:17:56And when we come back, of course, we talk more the importance of sports and crime, being
00:18:00fashionably unimpressed.
00:18:02So, this one is just resonating with me.
00:18:12Yeah, man, this is your boy KG and welcome back to Manhood.
00:18:16Now, before the break, you touched on something about if we had to send someone to speak to
00:18:22Donald Trump, we should send Wendy Fitzwilliam, right?
00:18:25And that blew my mind, right?
00:18:27But you said something earlier about, um, we are, get my term again?
00:18:32Being fashionably unimpressed, right?
00:18:34So, we would look at someone like Wendy Fitzwilliams, who is this great, you know, this great,
00:18:41whatever you want to call it, right?
00:18:42Ambassador of Trump.
00:18:43Ambassador of Trump.
00:18:44Ambassador of Trump.
00:18:45As well.
00:18:46Correct, correct, you know?
00:18:47Oh, yeah.
00:18:47We would ignore that and probably put somebody else in that place.
00:18:53And it wouldn't make any sense, right?
00:18:55As Johansson say, why are we so?
00:18:58Well, it's not only that you're looking at impact and you're looking at the person who's
00:19:02across the room from you.
00:19:03And as I said, if it's that somebody that likes hamburgers and you bring sushi, you know,
00:19:07you're not going to have that kind of impact.
00:19:09And that's how, I think we start, we need to start looking at cause and effect as how
00:19:15people react to each other and react to situations.
00:19:18And how do we get something to be of hype, right?
00:19:21And what are the resources that are put towards that?
00:19:24So, let's go back to, so we're into music, we're entertainment, and we're into sport,
00:19:29and we like all of these things.
00:19:30But we could tell there's an imbalance there, even though there's struggles within those
00:19:34various things.
00:19:35And our perfect example is in the 80s, it was the same price to go to the Oval Fet,
00:19:43cricket, cycling, and football in the Oval, right?
00:19:46Because all of those things were hosted there.
00:19:48The Oval had a cycle track.
00:19:49I actually have the last track record before it was broken down to put up the stats, right?
00:19:55Now, no sporting event, apart from CPL, could charge what the cheapest cool effect will
00:20:02charge as entry.
00:20:04So, there's a value proposition that has shifted there.
00:20:08And one of the reasons for that is who are the decision makers that are putting funds into
00:20:13things that now Carnival has all the lipstick and all the makeup and all the glitz and all
00:20:17the glamour, the stage shows for some of the fits.
00:20:21That's the budget for an entire sporting body budget for the year.
00:20:25So, you put it into context like that, and then you realize, okay, there is a shift on how, first,
00:20:34there needs a recognition of that, because what I'm saying might be, I'm going back to the 80s,
00:20:40so somebody thinking, well, shucks, I didn't even realize that.
00:20:43Now, that is a point of measure.
00:20:48What do you do?
00:20:50And the fact that sport is something that can be far more sanitized and wholesome and all of those
00:20:56different things that you could guide in terms of the use of, of the impact that it will have.
00:21:02Not only that, only the budget that we have of a non-communical diseases annually.
00:21:06The biggest part of our budget goes into that, right?
00:21:09Why?
00:21:10Obesity and all those sorts of things.
00:21:11And we're kind of moving through a stage of whether or not we could use the term obesity.
00:21:16So, then our ecosystem is imbalanced.
00:21:18In, right?
00:21:19Very much so.
00:21:20Right.
00:21:21And I like, you see, my thing is, is that on manhood, on shows, on shows of similar ilk,
00:21:31we stink, right?
00:21:32We have four people here and we have, we rotate, everybody come on here, this, this,
00:21:38this thing, I'm going to talk like actually, this thing.
00:21:40So, if we could think, right?
00:21:43Why it is those who make a decision, I don't want to say they don't think,
00:21:48but you saying their values are different.
00:21:51I could answer that.
00:21:52Answer it.
00:21:53I am a creative.
00:21:55So, most people still don't know I'm an artist.
00:21:57I'm a visual artist.
00:21:58I started painting before I was a cyclist.
00:22:00Art is what helped me revive the sport of cycling.
00:22:04Art is what helped me travel the world.
00:22:06I exchanged paintings for gas, for accommodation, all throughout my cycling career.
00:22:11The first race I ever put on, I sold a painting to sponsor that race.
00:22:16And most people don't realize that because, I mean, you know, the dominant thing is my,
00:22:22I'll tell you something, when I was chairman of the sport.
00:22:24The dominant thing is your what?
00:22:24My sport.
00:22:25All right.
00:22:26People know me because that is where all, this is a perfect example.
00:22:29That's where all my publicity came through sport.
00:22:33The cameras and whatnot and so on, news, you know, the fact that sport has 25% of newscasts
00:22:40or that airtime, allotted airtime on every newscast.
00:22:43It'll have a back page, it'll have a segment, it'll have a desk, it'll have its own cameras,
00:22:46and so on.
00:22:48But once you're in a position like that, of being in, sorry.
00:22:57Oh, you're bringing it up?
00:22:58You can't talk about it.
00:23:00Oh, yeah.
00:23:01I wonder if I could put it right here, so.
00:23:03But no.
00:23:05Do I kind of want a white movement?
00:23:06You can't.
00:23:07And a wheeler.
00:23:07Yeah.
00:23:08Just, just what I mean.
00:23:10Yeah.
00:23:10Just to be able to show.
00:23:12Beautiful.
00:23:13Those are Mott Mott birds, by the way, when you see a lot of them in Tobago.
00:23:18So, I've been doing this since a child, right?
00:23:22But I'll tell you one of the things that I noticed when I was chairman of a sport company.
00:23:27You spend so much time trying to out fires and dealing with all of these different things
00:23:34that I noticed that all the creative ideas that I had disappeared.
00:23:38Because you didn't have, you would know.
00:23:41So, when you have a beat in your head or whatever, everything else has to get blocked out.
00:23:46Of course, yeah.
00:23:47Right?
00:23:47And from the time you have things like sending an email and little things like that and a clerical
00:23:52coming to that frame, that, there's a fight within your head.
00:23:57It kills the inspiration sometimes.
00:23:59Exactly.
00:23:59So, when you get into that bureaucracy, that's why I think you need to have people separate
00:24:04from that, that generate your ideas that are not in that thing.
00:24:09That even in part of the conversation and people may not even know they exist, but there
00:24:14has to be a way of getting those ideas.
00:24:17The older heads don't want to do everything.
00:24:19Right.
00:24:20So, I don't want us to stray too far from because you mentioned something and it's a conversation
00:24:26that we've had with persons on the show, but when the show, in terms of other artists who
00:24:32have passed through the show.
00:24:33And one of the things that was mentioned, and maybe you might be able to clear it up
00:24:36because I don't, I don't understand either, either business enough from, from, as you
00:24:40said, under the hood.
00:24:42And you've been chairman of the sport company and you've been involved as a creative.
00:24:45So, you understand some of these things.
00:24:49So, I believe the figure that the government has given to the carnival this year is about
00:24:57$120 million.
00:24:59Right.
00:25:00And one of the questions that was asked is, okay, so you're giving $120 million for carnival
00:25:06to take place, for events to take place and all of that.
00:25:08And, and, and, and therefore, but the money within the events still stays with the person
00:25:15as in the organization, organizing, organizing committee.
00:25:19So, whoever, whatever party it is, whoever forms that, the money stays there.
00:25:24It doesn't go back into the kitty, the taxpayers' money or to the government or to contribute
00:25:28to the cleaning and so on of these things.
00:25:30Right.
00:25:30And yet still, as you quite rightly mentioned, less goes into a sporting event.
00:25:35Right.
00:25:36But the sporting event now, now the, the, um, that they may put money towards the, it's
00:25:42not free to the public.
00:25:43You still have to know, you're now paying to contribute to put back in the kitty, the,
00:25:48the, the, the citizen.
00:25:50So, you understand in one case, the citizens have, will pay to put it back into the public
00:25:55funding of that said event under ministry of sport, et cetera.
00:25:58But on the other side, for carnival, it's retained by the person through it.
00:26:03Why, why, why is that?
00:26:04And again, I don't, I don't know, but it was something that was brought up and it was
00:26:07brushed aside.
00:26:08But as you mentioned that just now, I thought maybe if those persons are looking on, they
00:26:12would get a response to it.
00:26:13But as a, that's an interesting, that's an interesting, um, discussion to have because
00:26:18you're looking at now that there needs to be a proven impact in terms of all of the
00:26:23periphery things that take place and the amount of money that that generates.
00:26:27So therefore that hundred and something million, um, really is a catalyst for all of the other
00:26:32hundreds of millions that it may generate, you know, once that is specifically identified,
00:26:36but you brought up something again, wearing both hats.
00:26:42Recognition in carnival is built into that.
00:26:45So therefore there are competitions and so therefore there's a, there's the announcement
00:26:51of the, the first prize for Soka, Soka Monarch.
00:26:54And then, so I'll, I'll tell you that.
00:26:56Now it's the ultimate Soka champion, which will be airing on CNT3.
00:26:59Right.
00:27:00That's excellent.
00:27:01Panorama.
00:27:02Excellent.
00:27:03The fact that they, they're those, that those incentives in place, that's excellent.
00:27:06But understand that those prizes will equate to that first prize, ultimate Soka champion
00:27:16will be more prize money than all of the other sporting bodies that represent Trinidad and
00:27:23Tobago in the Olympics prize structures for the entire year.
00:27:27All.
00:27:28So if you recognize that there must be an incentive there, right?
00:27:36And when we hope for that to then extend outside, how come within realm of sport?
00:27:42And so we, we're coming back to the thing of sport and why sport is not seen.
00:27:46We, we.
00:27:46But why, but why, Mike, not to cut you there, but just to see, but, but as you said that
00:27:51sport is the largest event in the world.
00:27:57FIFA, World Cup.
00:27:59Right.
00:27:59You have World Cup, you have Olympics, you have Cricket World Cups, you have, you know,
00:28:04whether it be NFL, in terms of the, the biggest events in the world are sport, sport, right?
00:28:11And it's what brings the most people together.
00:28:14Right.
00:28:14Right.
00:28:14Viewership, people coming together, families, you know, me being a Manchester United fan,
00:28:19KG clearly a Barcelona fan.
00:28:21Right.
00:28:23So he says, right?
00:28:25Um, and in, in all things, and it causes that, it causes that band, it causes that connection,
00:28:30causes topic.
00:28:31And if, if that is the case, then why, why one, isn't it, it's, it's a, a no brainer.
00:28:40It's, it's, it's, it's very much there that, that we could, we should understand that.
00:28:44Because even in this country, if we go back to, apart from Canva, which happens every
00:28:48year, one of the biggest moments in, in, in, in, to my memory would be, um, 98.
00:28:56Is it 98?
00:28:57Not 98, 19.
00:28:59Um.
00:28:5989.
00:29:001989.
00:29:01Sorry.
00:29:02Yeah.
00:29:02No.
00:29:02Atleta, 1990.
00:29:03Right.
00:29:04The road to Italy.
00:29:05Right.
00:29:05Right.
00:29:06The, the, for those.
00:29:08That's November 19th.
00:29:09The, the sea of red.
00:29:11Right.
00:29:11That happened there.
00:29:12Unfortunately, outcome, you know, you had Paul Calagiri and, and, and, and so on scoring
00:29:17that, that goal.
00:29:18But then we had 2005 leading into 2006 when Dennis Lawrence scored the goal against Bahrain.
00:29:25Nothing brings a country together like that.
00:29:28There was no criminal element.
00:29:30There was no hierarchy from, from, let's just call it the parts of Trinidad and Tobago.
00:29:37Everybody was one.
00:29:38Everybody celebrated.
00:29:39Everybody was proud for the red, white, and black.
00:29:41Right.
00:29:42Yet still, we don't see it in school systems where most of the time when someone achieves
00:29:48by their natural ability, by the time they go away to our college or they, or they push
00:29:53out, like J. Hugh Gordon, who ran most of, of, conducted most of his training at President's
00:29:59Grounds, went on to win in 2013, went on to become world champion.
00:30:04Right.
00:30:04You know, you have Richard Thompson.
00:30:05A lot of these people who go out there at that, and then in that collegiate level, and only
00:30:11at that point, by that time, that natural ability has taken them there.
00:30:15And then they're almost plateauing at that point because it wasn't nurtured at a young,
00:30:21at a young age.
00:30:22And that's not just in the school system.
00:30:23That's not a government thing.
00:30:25That's part of, as you mentioned, the ecosystem that allows for that to happen.
00:30:31Because, as we say, if you're not changing it, you're choosing it.
00:30:35And so, we are somehow choosing it.
00:30:39Is it, as you coined the phrase, is it because we're just unimpressed until someone breaks
00:30:45out like a phoenix from the flames?
00:30:46I can say something.
00:30:47So, 2005, I was still in school.
00:30:50I was also a footballer.
00:30:51I was a captain of my school team.
00:30:54I was, I used to play for Joe Public, you know, under the coach under Derek King.
00:30:58You know, so I went through the whole pro league, everything.
00:31:01And my goal was to be a footballer, basically.
00:31:03That was my dream before music, before anything.
00:31:06That used to keep me out of trouble, everything, you know.
00:31:09After school, when everybody going down in the junction and line, I had to go training.
00:31:12So, that was literally keeping me away from the maxi taxi hard pong going home and all
00:31:17them kind of things.
00:31:18I was a footballer.
00:31:19And I remember my entire life, it wasn't much youth that was into football at a professional
00:31:26level because it had no real success there.
00:31:30We would sweat.
00:31:30We would go on the court.
00:31:31We would go in the Savannah and sweat.
00:31:32But if you ask your friends where you want to be, they would never really say, at least
00:31:36back in them days, no, it's a difference because social media, we're going to see Vinny
00:31:41Junior and Messi in the World Cup and all these different things.
00:31:44But them days, youths like myself at that age, 14, 15, they wasn't going home and religiously
00:31:51watching league games.
00:31:53They might watch a World Cup final, you know, and those type of things.
00:31:56But I wasn't watching league games and that type of vibe.
00:31:58But I always wanted to be a footballer.
00:32:00But when the Soka Warriors made it to the World Cup as a youth, I could tell you that
00:32:07every youth man wanted to be a footballer.
00:32:10A change is like nobody wanted to be no police no more, no army man, no nothing.
00:32:15When you stand up in the class and you say, what do you want to be?
00:32:18I want to be a footballer.
00:32:19I remember we had the poster on the wall in our classroom with Dwight York and David Beckham.
00:32:24The famous World Cup picture.
00:32:27You know, we see in Dwight York shaking David Beckham hands.
00:32:31And you know, them days, David Beckham was like Ronaldo and Messi.
00:32:34Today, you know, he was that guy.
00:32:36So you see in this Trinidad, you know, this Tobago union shaking the hand of David Beckham.
00:32:41So we thought this could have been a reality.
00:32:43And the school teams and all the tryouts for like the pro league clubs,
00:32:48it was like 300 people coming for a tryout now.
00:32:51Because everybody wanted to slut themselves to be a Soka Warrior.
00:32:55And as a youth, it always baffled me like why the government wasn't doing more.
00:33:02Because now it's a reality.
00:33:04We grew up thinking that we could never reach the World Cup.
00:33:07Trinidad, you have to play for Spain or something if you want to, you know, accomplish that dream.
00:33:12But when we saw Dennis Lawrence put that ball behind the net,
00:33:16brother, we run up Arima.
00:33:18The whole of Arima was red.
00:33:19I could never forget that day.
00:33:21And it always baffled me as a youth, even up to this day.
00:33:25Because we have so much great sportsmen, not only footballers,
00:33:28but we have so much talent, even in the inner cities, all these things.
00:33:31As this always says, most of the talent does come from the inner cities, you know.
00:33:36And it still baffled me like why we don't intentionally do more
00:33:40to see Trinidad back on that stage again.
00:33:44But KG, we come back, and Mike, I want you to address that, and Johan say,
00:33:49because we come back to being fashionably unimpressed.
00:33:52Because you said the government, but it's not just the government.
00:33:54I was impressed, but somebody was unimpressed.
00:33:57No, but we were impressed at that moment.
00:33:59Yeah, yeah.
00:34:00But as I said, as Trinidad governments, we always say, why we saw?
00:34:04Why we saw?
00:34:05Because for that moment, we up there.
00:34:07But the moment, you know, yes, we drew against Sweden.
00:34:10And the moment Brent Sancho, here, got pulled by Peter Crouch,
00:34:16and then Steven Gerrard scored the goal, all of a sudden,
00:34:20it's, oh, God, you know, the thing, the X, Y,
00:34:23we never make it in a World Cup again.
00:34:24We immediately, from that euphoria, to cry down.
00:34:28And so we use the word government.
00:34:30It's not the government, because the government are citizens
00:34:32just like us of Trinidad and Bega.
00:34:34Yes, they're putting a particular, you know,
00:34:36they have a certain amount of power.
00:34:38But if corporate Trinidad and Tobago,
00:34:41if the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago,
00:34:43if the communities of Trinidad and Tobago want that,
00:34:46it will happen, because it's not the government
00:34:48have to fill the stadium.
00:34:49It's not the government has to fill Coover,
00:34:52for assuming, or an oval for something that's not CPL.
00:34:56It's the citizens.
00:34:56Of course.
00:34:57So who are also all sportspersons,
00:34:59or families of sportspersons.
00:35:01I'm going to take a stab at this, right?
00:35:05Why?
00:35:06One, it could be trauma, right?
00:35:08Let me go with sports trauma, right?
00:35:09Definitely.
00:35:10People talk about 1989, right?
00:35:14Right?
00:35:15But don't understand something.
00:35:171999?
00:35:181989.
00:35:181989.
00:35:19When...
00:35:20Wrote Italy.
00:35:21Wrote Italy.
00:35:22When we lost, right?
00:35:23Strike squad.
00:35:23That, I was, what, four or five years old, right?
00:35:27And I still remember the full atmosphere of it, you know?
00:35:32I could, I remember seeing the people walking to the stadium.
00:35:36And that loss, right?
00:35:38I don't think we understand the gravitas of how traumatic that was
00:35:42for us as a nation, right?
00:35:44That everybody hopes was up.
00:35:47And then it was dashed.
00:35:50We just had to draw the game.
00:35:52Yeah.
00:35:52No, I know, I know the game.
00:35:55Yeah, I know the game.
00:35:55Right.
00:35:55And it was a love that nobody expected.
00:35:57That just...
00:35:58Listen, I remember the excitement.
00:36:01Now, as a child, I was this high.
00:36:04So, I remember just seeing things.
00:36:05I remember feeling the excitement, but also feeling the sadness, right?
00:36:10I say that, and I could remember everybody, even though I may not understand fully what
00:36:15was going on, everybody was sad.
00:36:17So, even if you wasn't born in that time, the trauma would have been passed down, right?
00:36:25So, I really want to support the football team, but I can't go through that again, right?
00:36:31And even though you didn't experience it, your parents talk about it, your elders talk about it.
00:36:36So, now you adopt the same attitude, even though you wasn't there, because we know about
00:36:42passing down trauma, we know about vicarious trauma, things like that.
00:36:46So, trauma, and I'm going quickly, also I think it's a self-esteem issue, right?
00:36:51With us as trindians, because many of us, we have false pride, right?
00:36:58We will strive to be, to look good, right?
00:37:02Just not to look bad.
00:37:04And sometimes we strive so much to look good, we become excellent, but still the intention
00:37:10is to not look bad.
00:37:13So, it's not something based on a foundation of rock, which is a foundation of sand, because
00:37:20I just don't want to look bad.
00:37:21So, once I pass the threshold of not looking bad, I don't have to maintain it anymore.
00:37:26And I know we had to go to a break just now.
00:37:28But before, because I wanted to, you see, you mentioned, as you talked about that, the
00:37:32trauma, but the trauma builds because, and I know it's slightly off topic, but it's still
00:37:38related to sport and what you're talking about, because I always remember Kishon Walcott.
00:37:42Kishon Walcott goes to the Olympics and gets gold.
00:37:47Totally unexpected, right?
00:37:48And there are many reasons for that, great accomplishment, and it can be analyzed.
00:37:53And most people analyze it and says, you know, some people say, call it a fluke based on
00:37:57the fact that the other persons weren't looking out for him at that point, and they were competing
00:38:01against each other.
00:38:02And there comes this Trimbegonian who didn't really, not many people knew about, having
00:38:06just come from Krifta to his first Olympics.
00:38:08And by the time they were ready to, you know, they're sort of competing against one another
00:38:12in terms of how to throw their hardest, Kishon Walcott comes with his 86 plus, right?
00:38:18And we get gold.
00:38:21He pulls off her feet.
00:38:22Now you know him, right?
00:38:23Yeah.
00:38:23He's now a gold medalist, an Olympic gold medalist.
00:38:26He comes the following Olympics and gets bronze.
00:38:29So you can't say you didn't know who Kishon Walcott is because now he's the almost defending
00:38:35champion for lack of a better term, right?
00:38:37He's an Olympic gold medalist.
00:38:38And he comes and he gets bronze.
00:38:42Bravo.
00:38:42But instead of bravo, we had headlines.
00:38:46Kishon Walcott fails to win gold.
00:38:50I mean, if I could have run up and down somebody's chest, in terms of why we so...
00:38:57Yeah, we see that with George Barfield too.
00:38:58We see the same thing with George Barfield.
00:39:00You know?
00:39:00That's our self.
00:39:01Just saying, Phillips.
00:39:02If you expect, if you expect yourself to, if you look at yourself in a low light, right?
00:39:12Then, even if excellence come true, you will think it's a fluke.
00:39:16So let's just say, and we talk about it before I'm not getting it, we talk about imposter
00:39:20syndrome.
00:39:20Sometimes you know you're good at something, but you're doubting yourself.
00:39:23So when the bad thing happens, you go say, well, I expect it anyway.
00:39:27So it's easier, you know, it's actually easier to keep a negative light, right?
00:39:32To keep a negative perspective than expectation.
00:39:36Because if I rise up them expectations, hey, Kishon get a goal, we're expecting goal.
00:39:41But then the off chance that he get a silver, I don't want to feel that bad.
00:39:46So, you know, I'm just expecting bad either way.
00:39:48But let me throw Aspan and he works there for you now.
00:39:51In the same way we're saying that, on the other side of it, when we do, for example,
00:39:56when we draw against Sweden, people will then come and say, like in the Olympics, when Trinies
00:40:01now go after the fact that they haven't accomplished, people say that we are a country of accepting
00:40:06mediocrity.
00:40:07Yeah, because we're happy that we draw.
00:40:09Yeah, we should be celebrating, you know, knowing what they've achieved in terms of where
00:40:13they achieved it.
00:40:13And because of the ecosystem, knowing they didn't have the facilities, they didn't have
00:40:17the this, they didn't have that, that we should be celebrating the mediocrity.
00:40:21So where's the balance?
00:40:22We need to go to a break, yes.
00:40:24But where's the balance?
00:40:25And I want us to address that, address that afterwards.
00:40:27We'll take a short break.
00:40:37Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
00:40:38My name is Michael Phillips and we're back here at Manhood and we're discussing the
00:40:41importance of sport and the reduction of crime here in Trinidad and Tobago.
00:40:46And I guess we're going to go into, as I said, what do you call it?
00:40:48A nugget.
00:40:50So I think.
00:40:51We hit us one already, fashionably unimpressed.
00:40:53So I think one of the things I'd say with regards to sport and how we go about strategizing
00:41:01utilization of that is turning sport into making comparison, coming back to carnival
00:41:07and entertainment.
00:41:08We treat carnival like an event and we treat sport like facilities.
00:41:10And therefore, that's the reason I can give you the stark contrast there with regards to prize
00:41:18incentives for carnival competitions and sporting competitions.
00:41:22And if it is, you don't look at it from a standpoint of creating dynamic sporting events that there's a highlight of who the champion is of whatever respective sport and there's recognition given there.
00:41:38The shine of it disappears.
00:41:40And without that shine, therefore, there's a lack of incentive and people move on to other things.
00:41:47So I think there's no equivalent to any of the Fed promoters that we have in, we don't have that in sport.
00:41:54And there are a lot of things that go into helping that very same Fed promoter, organizer in terms of the type of sponsorships that make it lucrative outside of that.
00:42:09And sport competes with carnival in terms of that same sponsorship dollar, which is something different to all the other Caribbean islands would have to face.
00:42:17They don't have that same dynamic and that pull on top.
00:42:19So I think it's really about treating sport in some ways somewhat.
00:42:25So carnival, they make shift facilities that they will put up, they not stand and that sort of stuff.
00:42:34And I think really, it's also the fact that we need to train people to be a fan.
00:42:41When you say we, who's the we referring to?
00:42:43I mean, so when I say across the board, so therefore mentorship is a very important thing as well.
00:42:48And we always think of these things as being, well, the government has to do that.
00:42:53Where philanthropy really in Trinidad is also dying off.
00:42:56I have seen the difference in terms of people that own their own companies and they like something and they put money behind it.
00:43:02And that company was bought up by a larger company and therefore there's no more personality behind that company.
00:43:07The only thing that represents that company is the tagline or the brand that you see.
00:43:11And that has been changing to the point where...
00:43:16The cottage industries.
00:43:18So the Queen's Park Oval, that track, the cycle track that was in Queen's Park Oval was constructed without a center government funding.
00:43:25It was all corporate funding.
00:43:27That would not happen today.
00:43:28Why?
00:43:29So when you start to look into what was...
00:43:32Why?
00:43:32Because it's not profitable.
00:43:35It's not aligned with the goals of some of the companies in 2025.
00:43:43The things like that.
00:43:44There are people that are far more bottom line thinkers.
00:43:47There are people that know unless it's something that they are interested in, they're not going to go that way.
00:43:52That is the truth.
00:43:53No, I just want to put some clarity into that, right?
00:43:57Because we started off, we spoke about, you know, in terms of, like you mentioned, corporate responsibility.
00:44:05And even when you mentioned about, you know, Miss Universe 1998, Wendy Fitzwilliam and President Donald Trump having a conversation.
00:44:14Because the focal point of that point, it comes like when we're reporting.
00:44:18When you're reporting a story, you ask yourself, first thing, is it of national interest?
00:44:22Because people will watch when they think, what's in it for me?
00:44:26What does it have to do with me?
00:44:28Right?
00:44:28So if you, like you mentioned, as you used as an analogy, as an example of the person that we should put forward to have that conversation with President Donald Trump, because they have...
00:44:39In the room.
00:44:40In the room, there's some connection.
00:44:42I'm saying in this case, it's finding that connection because everything is one, two degrees of separation.
00:44:48So to say that corporate responsibility, there's no profit in it for them at this point or for the government or for citizens of Trinidad and Tobago.
00:44:56Sometimes, even in the work I do with some of my productions, when I go to companies or to persons, it's understanding what is their mission, what is it they're trying to achieve?
00:45:07And then figuring out how you make the connection to be mutually beneficial.
00:45:15And in this case, the buzz thing now is SDGs, Sustainable Development Goals, of which there are 17, right?
00:45:23At least a 20, 30, that's coming down from the UN, et cetera.
00:45:26So if, and I can tell you, health and fitness falls under SDGs.
00:45:31So it's a matter of somebody aligning to show corporate Trinidad and Tobago, to show a particular, whether it be an energy company or any other industry that, listen, this is what we want to do for this purpose.
00:45:44This is how it's going to be rolled out.
00:45:45This is the benefit.
00:45:47These are the stats.
00:45:48But somebody has to put in that groundwork.
00:45:50But again, we're diversifying or moving away from what I really want to get into for this particular segment, which is the importance of sport.
00:46:02So why are people, KG, Mike, Johanse, why are people turning to a life of crime instead of to a life of sport?
00:46:11Is it because reasons for crime, as we mentioned earlier, you're looking for a steady source of income, you're looking for a stable house.
00:46:20And you're looking for access to care and services.
00:46:23So those, as we like to talk about, Maslow's hierarchy of needs are your fundamentals.
00:46:28And if you don't have those initial things, then you have to go and find it.
00:46:32You need to eat.
00:46:34And in some cases, it's greed.
00:46:36You want more than just, okay, I have this here already.
00:46:39Now I want to take more because I want to live a particular life and I don't want to work for it.
00:46:45So that could be one of the reasons why sport mightn't be appealing for some because unless you're great or you have the opportunity, because maybe you really need the opportunity as well, you could be great and not have the opportunity.
00:46:56And as a result of that, sport is not appealing.
00:47:02The life of crime is more appealing.
00:47:04So, but if outside of that, just for persons who are already in that scenario, communities and things like that, you would have known where we build pools in specific areas, where we encourage certain competitions.
00:47:16There must be a thinking behind that because there is a connection between sport and reduction in crime.
00:47:22And that's what I want us to get.
00:47:23I'm going to touch on something, right?
00:47:25Because Mike said something off the camera that was very important to me, you know, and I feel I might have to go to you and say after this because I feel like my trauma is kicking up now, you know?
00:47:34I remember as a youth growing up, now I grew up in a neighborhood where a lot of people in neighborhood was giving trouble, you know?
00:47:42And some of us would choose to not give trouble.
00:47:45So we would do simple things like some people might be singing, some would be playing football, you know, different things, pitching marble, just to not be on the block or just not to go down that wrong road.
00:47:56And I was definitely one of them, you know, I was highly passionate about being a footballer and a lot of my friends, every day, it was a religion to go up in the basketball court and play football every single day, Monday to Sunday.
00:48:11And, you know, as you were saying off camera, the way how we treat our young men is so important as in the sense of the neighbors would actually be upset with us for playing football because the ball would be going in the yard and all these different things.
00:48:28And that is where it starts for me as observing the way how the community was treating us, who was just trying to play some sports.
00:48:39So we had a neighbor who used to call the police for us all the time.
00:48:43And even at a young age, my young mind used to still be like, so what are we going to do, boy?
00:48:49I used to be asking myself that.
00:48:50You're causing trouble and you're trying to stay out of trouble.
00:48:52I intentionally trying to stay out.
00:48:55He don't even know that.
00:48:55Well, I don't know if he know that, but I knew and my friends knew we were intentionally trying to stay out of trouble.
00:49:02And that specific neighbor, I think he was a police officer and all.
00:49:05So he would call his police friends and they would come and just tell us, you know, calm down the noise and we want to hear no cussing and da-da-da-da kind of thing.
00:49:12I'd be like, all right, officer, and we'll go the way.
00:49:14And then one day the ball went in the yard again and he called his police friends again and they came and they bust the ball.
00:49:20And the police officer literally told us, any time we catch all your hair again, we'll lock all your up.
00:49:27And I, with the little rebellion spirit I have, I was like, bye, then we're coming back and play.
00:49:34But my friends wasn't too on that brave side.
00:49:37They was like, brother, I'm not going to get locked up for playing no football.
00:49:40And I swear to y'all, that was literally the time when the neighborhood went downhill.
00:49:48Everybody started to smoke.
00:49:50Everybody started to play wappy because we didn't have that religious.
00:49:55Yeah, we was going to this court every single day.
00:49:58So now when you take that routine out of our lives, just for playing ignorant,
00:50:02because you know what the youths and them kick the ball in the yard and all these things.
00:50:06And as Michael's saying, these are boys.
00:50:09These are young men, young manhood.
00:50:11This is our, this is how we were raised.
00:50:14And if we had more father figures in our lives or more men that saw the importance of.
00:50:21Yeah, mentorship, as you say, and treat us like men, like we're not girls.
00:50:25We might kick the ball hard.
00:50:26It might go in the yard.
00:50:27Come outside, give us back the ball.
00:50:30As you say, mentorship, mentor us.
00:50:32Teach us how to behave in a certain way when we're on the basketball court or whatnot.
00:50:37But they put us stopped it.
00:50:39And as soon as they put us stopped it, I've been real.
00:50:41That is when all my friends started to smoke weed and it's all the kind of things had to go on.
00:50:46And even up to this day.
00:50:47How resentful are you for, for one, that moment, yes.
00:50:52But resentful for the fact that even playing that.
00:50:56Now you were playing sport for the love of it.
00:50:58But like you said, you wanted to be a footballer.
00:51:00So to do that, there must be some sort of trajectory.
00:51:03There must be some avenues for that to happen.
00:51:06Did you feel apart from that, not having the area to play in,
00:51:10in terms of there was a way forward for you to go outside of that environment to become that footballer?
00:51:16Did you feel like it existed and you?
00:51:18Well, I used to play for Joe Public.
00:51:20So you know them days, Joe Public was Jack on our team.
00:51:23You know, so you're feeling like a big boy and whatnot.
00:51:26But at the same time, I think that I was still inspired to be a footballer,
00:51:33but everyone around didn't really have that inspiration.
00:51:38Because I mean, I played for Joe Public,
00:51:39but everybody else not getting the chance to play for Jack on our team.
00:51:43So everybody else playing for these teams with, you know, proper uniform.
00:51:47Like Joe Public used to buy our tugs for us.
00:51:50It was like the full works now, you know.
00:51:52So when I come back home and I tell my bredgins,
00:51:54you know, I get a fresh puma from Joe Public.
00:51:57They'll be like, hey, you know, like I wish I could, you know.
00:52:00And then after, well, I think Joe Public closed home or something like that.
00:52:03And it was just like basic.
00:52:06I try and all after Joe Public to go to other clubs
00:52:08and see if I would have get the same tie.
00:52:10And it wasn't the same, you know, it wasn't the same.
00:52:13It was more like a low budget type of energy.
00:52:15And that wasn't inspiring at all.
00:52:17Because as you said to earlier,
00:52:20the star effect or that part of the footballing industry
00:52:26was what was intriguing us.
00:52:27Like we wanted to feel like we were somebody.
00:52:30I didn't want to just go and play for a club
00:52:32and we drinking ice water that come from the tap.
00:52:37We want to drink Gatorade.
00:52:38We want to be real sportsmen.
00:52:41And at that time, I wasn't feeling like it was making sense.
00:52:45And that kind of made me gravitate into music.
00:52:47Because now you're watching the artists
00:52:49and them in the neighborhood
00:52:50and them driving the cars and they looking fresh.
00:52:54So you see proving points I was just saying before.
00:52:57So we have the same kind of experience really and truly.
00:53:01So what does it take?
00:53:02You've thrown events as well.
00:53:04Cycling on the avenue is a big one.
00:53:05You know, you have the fitness drive that happens every Sunday morning
00:53:08in Digo Martin.
00:53:09What is it going to take outside of being fashionably unimpressed
00:53:16to get people?
00:53:17Is it that people don't turn up to events
00:53:19because they're judging you and thinking,
00:53:21I want to watch, you know,
00:53:24I want to watch the big football teams, Barcelona, etc.
00:53:27Is it that people are also field athletes?
00:53:29I can say one more thing before my comment.
00:53:33Again, today we look at the school league,
00:53:36the interco league,
00:53:37and we see them on TV
00:53:39and they're my replay, everything.
00:53:42And I sat by watching this thing.
00:53:44I said,
00:53:44like if I was going to school
00:53:47and seeing myself in slow motion,
00:53:50fanning a man, bro,
00:53:52I would have been in the Champions League today.
00:53:53So just that simple avenue
00:53:55that they create for the youth,
00:53:57I have to applaud them for that
00:53:58because I know that
00:53:59that is a step in the right direction.
00:54:02But let me tell you,
00:54:03it's more the youth create that for themselves
00:54:05than the system create that for them.
00:54:08Let me tell you that.
00:54:09And I say that because
00:54:11the love that you have for something,
00:54:15and no matter the reason,
00:54:17when we had Haisley Crawford on,
00:54:21we were speaking about the intentions behind sport.
00:54:23And everybody have a different intention.
00:54:26And sometimes coaches or people in charters
00:54:28want somebody to play a sport
00:54:30for a particular reason
00:54:31and trying to enforce that on them
00:54:33versus allowing somebody to,
00:54:35I want to play sport.
00:54:36And we had discussed,
00:54:37a man want gills.
00:54:39But the avenue to get the gills,
00:54:40you have to be the best sports one.
00:54:42So you still have to have the discipline,
00:54:44the drive, everything.
00:54:45But you can't tell somebody
00:54:47the reason why they want to play.
00:54:50And so now when we talk about your reasoning,
00:54:53we were speaking about
00:54:54why somebody even would want to play a sport.
00:54:59Understanding the youth,
00:55:02understanding the country.
00:55:03And I say more youth
00:55:04because sports most times
00:55:05should start from an earlier age
00:55:07to really build an athlete.
00:55:09So if you understand youth,
00:55:10which to be honest,
00:55:12I think the people in charge,
00:55:14the people who train the events,
00:55:16they don't really understand the youth.
00:55:18And then if the intent is,
00:55:22let's just say,
00:55:22and I'm not speaking for anybody,
00:55:24but it shows,
00:55:25I don't really care about
00:55:27the country as a whole
00:55:29once I gain what I want to get.
00:55:32So investing in sport a lot of time
00:55:35is a long-term thing.
00:55:37You see how you talk about the youth?
00:55:38I mean, I grew up in Belmont.
00:55:41Being on the hill,
00:55:42people create a football field on the hill,
00:55:45you know, right?
00:55:46That always really impresses me.
00:55:48People play football.
00:55:49To play football.
00:55:50Even if you go further up,
00:55:52upper St. Francis,
00:55:53Valley Road,
00:55:54it have a football field there
00:55:56that is a big event
00:55:57whenever they have competitions.
00:55:59But they created that for themselves.
00:56:02And the recognition there actually
00:56:03is more recognition probably
00:56:05than if you're trying to pursue
00:56:07a professional career.
00:56:09And that's what you want.
00:56:10Right?
00:56:11And recognition,
00:56:13and we talk about Maslow Hayek,
00:56:14you have needs.
00:56:15Recognition,
00:56:16feeling a place of belonging
00:56:18because you get belonging in the gangs.
00:56:20You get recognition in the gangs.
00:56:22You get recognition even in the papers.
00:56:24You're getting recognition
00:56:25and people might think
00:56:26it's quote unquote negative.
00:56:28But if and again,
00:56:29no recognition, right?
00:56:31And recognition,
00:56:32and let me be honest,
00:56:33all of us want to be recognized
00:56:34for something.
00:56:35Yes, we're supposed to be
00:56:36our own selves.
00:56:37Yes, we're supposed to do things
00:56:38for our own fulfillment.
00:56:41But all of us want to be recognized
00:56:42by our colleagues,
00:56:44by our peers,
00:56:45by the country.
00:56:46All of us want that.
00:56:47So if that is what we recognize
00:56:49on a human level,
00:56:50not even understanding the youth yet,
00:56:52we understand it at a human level,
00:56:54then we should push that.
00:56:56But I believe,
00:56:57and he was asking,
00:56:58I think in Trinidad,
00:56:59a lot of times
00:57:00we are a one track pony, right?
00:57:02We have oil and gas.
00:57:03That is all we're pushing.
00:57:05Even though it's going down,
00:57:06it's time to diversify.
00:57:07We're here in a long time.
00:57:08We're not doing that.
00:57:09So even when it comes to sport,
00:57:11we still are one track pony with that
00:57:13because I might even say
00:57:15we are a no track pony
00:57:16because I thought football
00:57:19was a big thing in Trinidad.
00:57:21So if anything,
00:57:21you have to put money behind.
00:57:22It is a big thing.
00:57:23And put the proper infrastructure behind.
00:57:26On a, let's say on a governmental,
00:57:28on a systematic level,
00:57:29you should.
00:57:29But I have Fetmatch teams
00:57:31who have more organization
00:57:33than the association
00:57:35supposed to have.
00:57:36It are men who have proper roster,
00:57:38men who travel in Caribbean islands,
00:57:40Fetmatch team,
00:57:41doing that because
00:57:41that's what they love.
00:57:42And they get any recognition there.
00:57:45So we're asking the question,
00:57:46one,
00:57:47at least recognizing
00:57:48the basic human tenet
00:57:50of recognition
00:57:51so that you create something
00:57:53to do that.
00:57:54And then also recognizing
00:57:55the youth
00:57:56because it's the youth
00:57:57wanting to see themselves
00:57:58on YouTube.
00:57:58It's the youth wanting
00:57:59to see themselves
00:57:59in replay.
00:58:00So they create it
00:58:01for themselves
00:58:01but they may not have
00:58:02the money
00:58:02or the infrastructure
00:58:04to do it in that way.
00:58:06So I would say
00:58:07recognizing those two things
00:58:08could help alleviate
00:58:09the levels of crime.
00:58:13KG,
00:58:13your closing thoughts?
00:58:16I mean,
00:58:16I see what I have to say
00:58:18as the sense of
00:58:19I think that we underestimate
00:58:21how important
00:58:22sport is
00:58:24to the youth
00:58:25that is capable
00:58:27of probably
00:58:28becoming a criminal.
00:58:29You know,
00:58:29because as I said earlier,
00:58:31a lot of our football stars
00:58:34and all these things,
00:58:35I couldn't talk for football,
00:58:36you know,
00:58:36I don't really know
00:58:36about cycling
00:58:37and all these things
00:58:38but like football,
00:58:39some of the best footballers
00:58:40I ever see
00:58:41was people from the ghetto.
00:58:43You know,
00:58:44people who could have
00:58:45dived into crime
00:58:46so easily
00:58:47but the football
00:58:48take them out.
00:58:49And not just in Trinidad,
00:58:50internationally,
00:58:50like when you look at
00:58:51plenty of those
00:58:52Brazilian stories
00:58:53and they come from
00:58:54the poorest communities
00:58:55ever.
00:58:56You know,
00:58:56and today they are superstars
00:58:58because it had a
00:58:59structure there
00:59:00to take them
00:59:01to the next level now.
00:59:02That's the only thing
00:59:02that's bothered me
00:59:03like when I see
00:59:04certain footballers,
00:59:05certain youths
00:59:07who have
00:59:08potential
00:59:09to even take us
00:59:10to the World Cup.
00:59:11I don't care.
00:59:11I personally think
00:59:12that it have certain youths
00:59:13that I know personally,
00:59:14I could call the name
00:59:15and all,
00:59:16you know,
00:59:16but I personally think
00:59:17that if we slot them
00:59:18in the team,
00:59:19they're better than
00:59:20what all you put in there.
00:59:21You know,
00:59:22I personally think that
00:59:23but I always ask myself,
00:59:26who in charge of this?
00:59:28Who picking this team?
00:59:30You know,
00:59:30who playing this youth
00:59:31to sit on the bench?
00:59:33Why this youth
00:59:33never played for Trinidad
00:59:34and Tobago before?
00:59:36You know,
00:59:36and that is my question,
00:59:37you know.
00:59:38So we come back to,
00:59:40not so much a closing,
00:59:41but we come back down
00:59:42to again,
00:59:43KG,
00:59:43opportunity.
00:59:44Opportunity, yes.
00:59:45The opportunities
00:59:47need to be there
00:59:47because it's one thing
00:59:48to say choose sport.
00:59:50Whether you're choosing
00:59:51sport for a way out,
00:59:52whether you're choosing
00:59:53for a source of income
00:59:55or something just
00:59:56to keep you entertained
00:59:57or part of,
00:59:59for all intents and purposes,
01:00:00maybe not the dictionary
01:00:01meaning of a gang,
01:00:03but a sense of belonging.
01:00:05Yeah.
01:00:05Because I could tell you,
01:00:06most people,
01:00:07I see it even in my son,
01:00:09people have a sense of pride
01:00:10when they come home
01:00:12and whether they're dirty
01:00:13or they just finish training
01:00:14or they love to say,
01:00:16you know,
01:00:16I'm going training.
01:00:17You know,
01:00:18they even have a way
01:00:18they say the training.
01:00:20They don't say training.
01:00:22Training.
01:00:23Training.
01:00:23It's a way you see it
01:00:25because there's a pride
01:00:26behind it when you see it
01:00:28and you love to say coach.
01:00:30Coach man.
01:00:30You know,
01:00:31or manage.
01:00:32You hear them say,
01:00:32like,
01:00:32is it a manager?
01:00:33You see them,
01:00:34you know,
01:00:34I know these,
01:00:34you know,
01:00:35our Knight Riders
01:00:37call Colin,
01:00:39you know,
01:00:40they call him manage
01:00:41is a term of affection.
01:00:42Of course.
01:00:43But there's a pride
01:00:44when you come
01:00:44and you say that
01:00:45or like how you mentioned
01:00:46some words are tugs.
01:00:47Tugs.
01:00:48And you know that
01:00:49but you love to say that.
01:00:50Chain in.
01:00:51Chain in.
01:00:52You know,
01:00:52and you see it
01:00:53in a particular way.
01:00:53I'm going training.
01:00:54Chain in.
01:00:54It's a pride.
01:00:56And if you could see that,
01:00:56like,
01:00:57I see my son
01:00:58who swims practically,
01:01:00you know,
01:01:00nine times a week,
01:01:01you know,
01:01:01five days during the weekend
01:01:03and they have morning sessions
01:01:04as well.
01:01:05And,
01:01:05you know,
01:01:06I see the difference
01:01:07in what his coach,
01:01:09he told me just the other day,
01:01:11you know,
01:01:11he was,
01:01:12they had to run
01:01:13from one side to the other
01:01:14to dive
01:01:15and he fell
01:01:16and he got cut
01:01:18and he was about,
01:01:18he said he was crying inside.
01:01:20Right?
01:01:21My child is eight,
01:01:22right?
01:01:22But going to be eight in February.
01:01:24And he said he was going to,
01:01:25he was going to cry
01:01:26and the coach picked him up
01:01:28and threw him back in the water.
01:01:29Right?
01:01:30And,
01:01:30and I knew to myself
01:01:31as a,
01:01:32as a father,
01:01:33even though you're supposed
01:01:34to give tough love,
01:01:36it might have
01:01:37been a different outcome
01:01:39to him.
01:01:40Like,
01:01:40like,
01:01:40like dad,
01:01:41even though it's tough love,
01:01:42it's supposed to be my protector.
01:01:43Where's the coach
01:01:44is like,
01:01:44get back on that horse.
01:01:46Get back and swim.
01:01:48Ironically,
01:01:48his coach was my coach
01:01:49back when I used to swim
01:01:50for Blue Dolphins.
01:01:52And it,
01:01:54but the pride
01:01:54that he still goes
01:01:56where coach says this,
01:01:57or coach told me to do this,
01:01:59or coach.
01:01:59But let me tell you,
01:02:00research shows
01:02:01that self-esteem
01:02:03in boys
01:02:04is built
01:02:05through competence.
01:02:07Right?
01:02:08Once you're competent
01:02:09in one area,
01:02:10it translates
01:02:11to other areas.
01:02:12So even if,
01:02:12if you're,
01:02:13and this is for parents,
01:02:14especially modern appearance,
01:02:15even something as simple
01:02:16as chores.
01:02:17If a child get,
01:02:18a boy gets good
01:02:19at doing chores,
01:02:21it translates
01:02:22into something else.
01:02:23So sport,
01:02:24right?
01:02:25When you have
01:02:25that purpose
01:02:26and how
01:02:27the brain,
01:02:28how our brain
01:02:29made up,
01:02:29we have,
01:02:30quote unquote,
01:02:31a one track mind.
01:02:32So when you hold
01:02:33on to something
01:02:33that gives
01:02:35men purpose,
01:02:36and then
01:02:36if every day
01:02:37you're swimming,
01:02:38whatever sport you're doing,
01:02:39you get better at it.
01:02:40You feel better,
01:02:42you know,
01:02:43you stand up
01:02:44at different ways.
01:02:46And if you could,
01:02:46if I,
01:02:47if I know I could conquer
01:02:48swimming,
01:02:49I could conquer this thing.
01:02:51If I could conquer football,
01:02:52I could conquer this thing.
01:02:53If I could conquer cycling,
01:02:54no matter what challenges
01:02:56come to me now,
01:02:57I have the,
01:02:58the,
01:02:59the self-esteem,
01:03:00the self-efficacy,
01:03:02and the competence
01:03:03to be able
01:03:04to face things.
01:03:06Yeah,
01:03:06of course.
01:03:07I actually got my confidence
01:03:08from sports
01:03:09as in a sense of
01:03:10I wasn't that good
01:03:11when I now entered
01:03:12the football realm,
01:03:14but I told myself
01:03:15I wanted to be good
01:03:16and I started to push myself,
01:03:17push myself.
01:03:18I had men on the team
01:03:19and all who didn't have
01:03:20faith in me,
01:03:21but I still had faith in myself.
01:03:22I'm a coach,
01:03:23especially.
01:03:24He always had faith in me.
01:03:25Like I always noticed
01:03:26he would pass the ball to me
01:03:27and I'm like,
01:03:28why are you not passing
01:03:29the ball to me?
01:03:30But I was like,
01:03:30he saw something in me
01:03:31that I wasn't even seeing myself.
01:03:33And I won player of the year
01:03:35and MVP the same year.
01:03:37And I was shocked.
01:03:38But since I won that trophy,
01:03:39I was like 15,
01:03:4016 years old.
01:03:41And up to this day,
01:03:42I still have the mindset
01:03:43that anything is possible.
01:03:46After,
01:03:46when I introduced him,
01:03:48KG going forward,
01:03:49I didn't do something different,
01:03:50but he's a big footballer,
01:03:51but we,
01:03:52we don't,
01:03:53we don't give any money respect.
01:03:54No, no, no, no.
01:03:55I still do the thing.
01:03:56I still do the thing.
01:03:56And he's happy and sad in a way
01:03:58because it's not like you're saying,
01:04:00you know,
01:04:00you fell in love with music
01:04:01and you pursued that.
01:04:03Part of,
01:04:03part of your transition to music,
01:04:05which you're good at now,
01:04:06was because of that.
01:04:08The fact that you didn't have
01:04:09the opportunity
01:04:10to progress further
01:04:12as a footballer.
01:04:13And,
01:04:14but the pride
01:04:14that still comes,
01:04:15and you mentioned it,
01:04:16you know,
01:04:17at the start
01:04:18where we spoke about people
01:04:19loving to be competitive.
01:04:21Right.
01:04:21So in the same,
01:04:22in the same arena,
01:04:23even if you're in an environment
01:04:25of,
01:04:26of,
01:04:26of,
01:04:27of,
01:04:27you know,
01:04:28as we call hot spots
01:04:29or environment
01:04:30where you may be driven
01:04:31to do something criminal,
01:04:33right?
01:04:34There's still avenues
01:04:35of at least attach yourself.
01:04:37You know,
01:04:37they say attach yourself
01:04:38with five people
01:04:39in the direction
01:04:40you want to go
01:04:40to join a sport
01:04:42because of that discipline,
01:04:43because that camaraderie,
01:04:45people can take you
01:04:46out of
01:04:47that environment
01:04:48that you,
01:04:49that you may,
01:04:50may be forced
01:04:50to be in.
01:04:51And competition
01:04:52is a beautiful thing.
01:04:53You know,
01:04:54even if it's chess you're playing
01:04:55and chess is a game of strategy,
01:04:56it's not physical.
01:04:57You still want to,
01:04:59you still looking,
01:05:00you know,
01:05:00Queen's Gambit
01:05:01or you still looking at
01:05:02Promenade people
01:05:02still playing draft
01:05:04and chess with each other.
01:05:05You know,
01:05:05when you,
01:05:06when you rainbow a man
01:05:07or sex as they call it
01:05:08or nutmeg
01:05:10or fanner man,
01:05:11you know,
01:05:11it is a,
01:05:12the crowd going off on you.
01:05:15I think what we're getting
01:05:17at there in a nutshell
01:05:18is that delinquency
01:05:19will prevail
01:05:20where purpose is absent.
01:05:23and I think
01:05:27that's,
01:05:27that's,
01:05:28that's a part
01:05:29where sport will play
01:05:30in bringing
01:05:31some level of purpose
01:05:32to people
01:05:34that need
01:05:34that type of purpose.
01:05:36And I think
01:05:38one of the things
01:05:39that it helps us with
01:05:40is especially
01:05:41in a news broadcast,
01:05:43it's,
01:05:43it's the only part
01:05:44of the news broadcast
01:05:45that may have
01:05:46good news.
01:05:48You know,
01:05:49and,
01:05:49and for me,
01:05:50part of what I do
01:05:51with the events
01:05:52that I put on
01:05:53on the Sunday morning program,
01:05:54I try to create good news.
01:05:56People that create bad news
01:05:57work very hard at it
01:05:59and underestimate
01:05:59how long they will enter work,
01:06:01the kind of risks
01:06:02they will enter take,
01:06:03they will enter risk
01:06:04life and limb
01:06:04to be able to create
01:06:05that bad news.
01:06:07And if we don't
01:06:08put in the equivalent
01:06:09or even a greater effort,
01:06:11we're not going to succeed
01:06:12and we take it for granted.
01:06:14And I,
01:06:14and I,
01:06:14and I said,
01:06:15you know,
01:06:15for me,
01:06:16people ask me
01:06:17why I do what I do
01:06:17on a Sunday morning.
01:06:19And I,
01:06:19and I try to tell them,
01:06:20you know,
01:06:20like how some people
01:06:21have a boat
01:06:22and they'll invite people
01:06:23down the islands
01:06:24and whatever it is.
01:06:24And that's their thing.
01:06:25I said,
01:06:26there's my down the islands.
01:06:27When I get up
01:06:28on a Sunday morning
01:06:29and no matter if it's raining,
01:06:31if rain falling,
01:06:32I still have to be out there
01:06:33because guess what?
01:06:34That people that expect
01:06:36us to be out there
01:06:37and that road to be closed
01:06:38because they run
01:06:39in the rain
01:06:39or they ride in the rain
01:06:41and they expect us
01:06:42to be there.
01:06:43And the fact that
01:06:44when I turn up there
01:06:44and it raining
01:06:45and I didn't want to come out
01:06:46and I see them there,
01:06:47I say,
01:06:47wow,
01:06:48that's the confidence
01:06:48you have in us.
01:06:50And that's a big thing.
01:06:52So,
01:06:52there's so many people
01:06:54that don't realize
01:06:55that they could have
01:06:55that kind of impact.
01:06:56The message that we're sharing
01:06:57here today
01:06:58should be able to spark that
01:07:00because people think
01:07:01when they're in hard times
01:07:02and everybody messes up,
01:07:03they think it's only them.
01:07:05And that's a very isolating
01:07:06place to put yourself.
01:07:08There's only me experiencing
01:07:09a difficult time,
01:07:10especially coming out of COVID
01:07:12because everybody was seeing
01:07:13all kinds of monsters
01:07:14in their heads.
01:07:14And I would say
01:07:18we have to get creative.
01:07:21We have to be very,
01:07:22very analytical
01:07:23in terms of what it requires
01:07:25to be able to create
01:07:25that environment.
01:07:27He shared something
01:07:28in terms of being chased
01:07:29away from playing football
01:07:31in a field
01:07:32and the impact,
01:07:33that's a life experience
01:07:35of the impact
01:07:36that that has.
01:07:37Hopefully somebody
01:07:37who quarreled about the ball
01:07:41going in the yard
01:07:41just heard that
01:07:43and understood the impact
01:07:44that it's having.
01:07:45And the trauma
01:07:46of countering the ball.
01:07:48Correct.
01:07:48I mean,
01:07:49that is like...
01:07:49That's instilling fear
01:07:51into someone.
01:07:52Yeah,
01:07:52that devastating.
01:07:54So that one story,
01:07:56to me,
01:07:57that's a big take
01:07:58from this interview today.
01:08:00So a really,
01:08:01really powerful conversation
01:08:02here today, guys.
01:08:03You know,
01:08:03the importance of sports
01:08:04in reducing crime
01:08:06and giving you another choice
01:08:07instead of a life of crime,
01:08:09a life of sport.
01:08:10And I know you spoke
01:08:12about good news.
01:08:14So I know you want
01:08:15to take us away
01:08:16with some good vibes.
01:08:17Good vibes.
01:08:18Catch me if you can.
01:08:19I audition in for a man
01:08:20here, producer.
01:08:21And see if you can work
01:08:22for my boy.
01:08:24So there's something.
01:08:25My story is,
01:08:26for people that don't know,
01:08:27in addition to painting,
01:08:29I took up music
01:08:30during COVID.
01:08:31Never thought
01:08:31there's something
01:08:32I'd be doing.
01:08:33So I started
01:08:36to learn to play the guitar.
01:08:37and write music.
01:08:40So there's something
01:08:41I do a country,
01:08:42country version of,
01:08:44but I thought I'll
01:08:44turn it,
01:08:45I'll,
01:08:46I'll be today
01:08:47as we in the
01:08:47Calypso realm
01:08:50these days.
01:08:52Are you ready?
01:08:55I said,
01:08:57are you ready?
01:08:58Are you ready?
01:09:01Nobody's seen
01:09:03the work I've done.
01:09:04The friends and fund
01:09:06adapting down
01:09:07just to get to here.
01:09:09Just to get to here.
01:09:11The ups and downs
01:09:13are round and rounds
01:09:14to getting up
01:09:15from falling down
01:09:16just to get somewhere.
01:09:18Just to get somewhere.
01:09:21When you see me
01:09:22at that top
01:09:23in that big bright light,
01:09:26it's because I beat
01:09:27my fears.
01:09:28It's where I've
01:09:29had my sights.
01:09:31Catch me if you can
01:09:33because you know
01:09:34who I am
01:09:35with the wind
01:09:36in my face
01:09:37and the world
01:09:39in my hands.
01:09:40Just try to come
01:09:42get me.
01:09:42It's a pain
01:09:43hurricane.
01:09:45If you got
01:09:46what it takes,
01:09:47catch me
01:09:50if you can.
01:09:51I said,
01:09:54catch me
01:09:54if you can.
01:10:01Perfect.
01:10:02Perfect.
01:10:03Manhood.
01:10:04Brought to you
01:10:05in part by
01:10:06Solomon's Bespoke.
01:10:07Brought to you
01:10:18in part by
01:10:20Brought to you
01:10:21in part by
01:10:22énomBER TOYAP
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