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00:00:00Manhood, brought to you in part by Solomon's Bespoke.
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00:00:14Welcome to another episode of Manhood where we aim to be better as brothers.
00:00:19Today is an interesting one. Why would a man commit a crime?
00:00:23We know we're in a state of emergency and it's very much on the tip of everyone's tongue
00:00:27and at the very forefront of everyone's brain with regards to what is happening right now
00:00:33in what was called Sweet TNT. So why would a man commit a crime?
00:00:37I have no better panel today than to my right, Johanse, IODK, Behavior Change Consultant,
00:00:43ACP, Wayne Meister, and then to his right, Kendall, Leslie, joined us here, Multimedia Technician.
00:00:49So we want to get straight into, gentlemen, because I myself have a lot of questions and concerns.
00:00:55Of course, the obvious is, you know, people that we target as the criminal element.
00:01:01But crime is such a broad area, you know, where everyone in some way, form, or fashion,
00:01:08in some aspect, whether they know it or not, commits a crime.
00:01:12You know, whether it be white-collar crime, green-collar crime, I think it's called green-collar,
00:01:16or blue-collar, there's so many other aspects.
00:01:18White-collar crime. I don't even have a blue-collar crime. I never really hear what it is.
00:01:22I must hear all the colours.
00:01:23But I'm green, like environmental and all of that, you know.
00:01:26But we keep using the words, you know, for persons like ourselves,
00:01:30you know, we all have a bit of white in our bed, even though I thought I was dying it this morning,
00:01:35that we call Trinidad and Tobago sweet TNT.
00:01:40And for the most part, it is still sweet TNT.
00:01:44The people in Trinidad and Tobago are special.
00:01:45You sure are that. You sure TNT sounds sweet.
00:01:48There's a group of persons that from a wider or larger perspective are causing maybe heinous crimes.
00:01:56But overall, we are good people.
00:01:59I mean, we see it carnival and a whole load of other things.
00:02:02I mean, I wouldn't like to just broad brush Trinidad and Tobago as a land ridden in crime.
00:02:07Well, not really. Even when you're saying good, right?
00:02:10When you're saying that we are generally good people.
00:02:12I didn't say a good boy, eh?
00:02:12Good people. When you say we are good people, is that what I was discussing before, what I said,
00:02:17why do Trinidadians break the law, right?
00:02:21I didn't say why they are criminals.
00:02:23I said why do Trinidadians break the law.
00:02:24You know, I always have to tell the Trin-Bagonians, eh?
00:02:25Okay, okay. Trin-Bagonians. My apologies, right?
00:02:29If people break the red light, right?
00:02:32If somebody break the red light, can they be considered good?
00:02:38Well, they committed a crime, yes.
00:02:40Okay. If you drive on your shoulder when you're not supposed to, you're still considered good?
00:02:45If you litter, you're still considered good?
00:02:48I'm just going to show all the...
00:02:49Well, litter have a real problem with it.
00:02:51People who do these things might be considered quote-unquote criminals.
00:02:54But we say the good people are TNT and sweet TNT, right?
00:02:57But I thought you know that driving culture, yeah?
00:03:00They break the red light, drive on your shoulder.
00:03:02Well, that's a good point. Culture...
00:03:04Now, what he's saying is culture not in alignment with the law, right?
00:03:08And if the culture not in alignment with the law, then something fundamentally wrong.
00:03:15So, Wayne, as we always talk about, whether you like it or not, right?
00:03:19The law is the law.
00:03:20So until the law changes and it goes to Parliament, your Cabinet, Parliament, etc.,
00:03:25and the law has changed, it is still the law.
00:03:27So until that point, if you do something, you could turn around here and as we had in...
00:03:35I don't really like to date these episodes, but last week's episode where we talk about ignorance of the law, right?
00:03:41Part of that is whether you like it or not, what the law is at that point, whether it be smoking, you know,
00:03:47smoking your little herb and so on back the day before it was decriminalized, it was against the law at that point.
00:03:53So, to answer your question, if you break a red light...
00:03:58He's not a good person.
00:03:59What I want to say in a nutshell, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory.
00:04:06That's all I can say.
00:04:08Now, we can cast no stones, eh?
00:04:09We can cast no stones, right?
00:04:11But every one of us, in some form, some form of fashion, would have broken the law.
00:04:18But, you know, we tend to focus on, okay, heinous crimes.
00:04:22We tend to focus on, okay, this thing's serious and so on.
00:04:25But yet in our little space, we are doing little things.
00:04:28So if you want...
00:04:29You know, Michael Jackson said it, look at the man in the mirror.
00:04:32And if you start there, probably we might get some answers.
00:04:36Because Kendall say culture, you know, right?
00:04:38If we are a culture of lawbreakers, right, then this crime situation is systemic.
00:04:46Because somebody haven't reached the stage of being a murderer, right, doesn't mean they're still not breaking the law.
00:04:53And if you get accustomed to doing something, right, it could encourage you to go further.
00:04:57And, you know, as human nature, sometimes we test things, right?
00:05:01So, you know, if I break a light, if I do this, if I do that, eventually it might do something.
00:05:06Another thing to enforce, mental law also, too.
00:05:09Remember the time when we used to drive without seatbelts?
00:05:12Nobody used to study that.
00:05:13And then they say, mandatory, you have to wear your seatbelt or else.
00:05:17Right.
00:05:18Everybody start to wear their seatbelt.
00:05:20But they know they're fine.
00:05:22But breaking that traffic light, you know, most of the time, I know police officers,
00:05:26somebody like to say, okay, there are cameras that are not even working to say you got a ticket home or something like that.
00:05:31Right.
00:05:32Let's talk about traffic light.
00:05:32Let me ask you a little question.
00:05:35You're coming home from an event, 3 o'clock in the morning, and you're stopped by this traffic light.
00:05:40It's a lonely traffic light.
00:05:42But in your mind, you're telling yourself, it has some people get rubbed here the last time, you know.
00:05:46Right.
00:05:46I know you're good.
00:05:47So in that aspect, you're telling yourself, well, you look left, you look right, okay, nothing can come in.
00:05:50And so a lot of people ask me, you know, is that okay?
00:05:53But I can't say that it's okay because they're going to say, I say to do that.
00:05:57But then there's a safety consideration.
00:06:00So sometimes you may say something, all right, how much of us will, who have kids here, will sell out a child?
00:06:09The child committing an offense.
00:06:11And you have that child and you know that child committing an offense.
00:06:13How much of us, when the police come and knock on the door?
00:06:16Yeah, he did it.
00:06:18I know one mother of a mom, Maloney, did it.
00:06:21She called the police for her son, huh?
00:06:24Right.
00:06:24But how much of us will do that?
00:06:26True.
00:06:26But sometimes you might call them to save them, huh?
00:06:28My daughter shoplifted her time.
00:06:30And we didn't know.
00:06:31And she had the candy in the car.
00:06:33I say, wait, now where you get that?
00:06:35I take it.
00:06:36Oh, you take it?
00:06:37You know where you get for that?
00:06:38We drive straight in the police station.
00:06:39Oh, my God, she sat the ball.
00:06:41And the officer commended us because she come and talked to her and let her know what that is wrong.
00:06:45You're waiting at her fright now.
00:06:46But correct.
00:06:47If she had, let's say she had committed a murder.
00:06:50And you know of her fact, come on here.
00:06:53But a parent, let's say you know a parent hardly ever is doing that.
00:06:59Even in a community, you know, when they say, you know, so-and-so is a good boy,
00:07:02if they're benefiting in a particular way, they won't call on that,
00:07:06which is part of the problem in a lot of times is the evidence
00:07:09because it's wanting to hold somebody.
00:07:11But how do you now convict that person?
00:07:14Now, you see that word you used there.
00:07:15It said, if they're benefiting, right?
00:07:18So doing some research for this, human behavior in general,
00:07:23we only do things if our brain could come up with a reward for the action, right?
00:07:29We don't do any action unless we have a reward for it.
00:07:32So if we're asking why would men commit crime, why do people commit crime,
00:07:36it's because in the moment there's a perceived reward.
00:07:38So if I don't want to be in danger of being robbed by a traffic light, right,
00:07:43I will weigh the options.
00:07:45It's a possibility I could be robbed or I will break the traffic light.
00:07:49Right now, the reward is, the value is I will break the traffic light.
00:07:53Because I know it has no cameras, right?
00:07:54Because if I had cameras that would have sent a ticket to my house,
00:07:59then there's a different consideration.
00:08:01So you need certain elements or levels of control in order to be able to not break the law
00:08:08in certain circumstances.
00:08:09Because I know that cameras not working are going to go past 60K in a 60A zone, right?
00:08:16Right.
00:08:16And if there's some value to you also.
00:08:18Correct.
00:08:18If I'm not going to get charged.
00:08:19Because that's what happened with, I know a lot of persons on the priority bus route,
00:08:25speeding, all of these things.
00:08:27They had accounts set up.
00:08:29These are people of, you know, like wealth, right?
00:08:32So, you know, of means.
00:08:33They set up an account to say, okay, well, are you going to go on the bus route?
00:08:37Are you going to speed?
00:08:38Are you going to be on my cell phone?
00:08:39If I get stopped, I pay the file.
00:08:41So they have a budget for that.
00:08:42They have a budget for that.
00:08:43When the law came about, about the demerits,
00:08:47that's when it now reached a point that, oh, God, this affected me different.
00:08:50I can't pay my way out of this now.
00:08:52This is now my license could be revoked or suspended.
00:08:55And therefore, that's when, as a result of that, you behave.
00:09:00So even as big people, you know, you need certain levels of control.
00:09:06And as you said it, Wayne, just now about man in the mirror,
00:09:09we also have a culture about who's you, right?
00:09:14Or like, for example, we put certain levels on crime.
00:09:21So the traffic light, for example, one of the things I would recommend to anybody listening
00:09:25is not to break the traffic light because we've seen many really bad accidents in Mukarapo
00:09:31and McCoy and other areas with people doing that.
00:09:35I'm talking about where you can roll up to the traffic light.
00:09:38So you see, you know, if you're coming to a traffic light, you approach it slowly.
00:09:42So by the time it changes, you move on.
00:09:44So you're not coming to a complete stop.
00:09:46But I'm going to tell you something.
00:09:48Breaking the traffic light, what constitutes breaking a traffic light?
00:09:50Anybody can say?
00:09:51Is it going when you're light on red?
00:09:54Well, I would say the obvious.
00:09:56If you're light on red and you're breaking it, that's breaking it.
00:09:58Also, if it's yellow.
00:09:59You know, that's not the case, right?
00:10:00You know, it's breaking a traffic light.
00:10:02No, a major road.
00:10:04You see the line on the ground?
00:10:07Once you cross that white line, even though you're stuck by across the white line.
00:10:11And light on red?
00:10:12Based on the law.
00:10:13Right.
00:10:13The white line.
00:10:15So this is just for Triantobago.
00:10:17Right.
00:10:17This is your camera, eh?
00:10:18Yeah.
00:10:18That white line.
00:10:19You see that white line?
00:10:20So suddenly you reach by an uncontrollable intersection or you reach a major road.
00:10:25But you pop your nose out.
00:10:27Once you cross their line, you're breaking the safety barrier.
00:10:31No, what you're saying.
00:10:32You didn't know that.
00:10:33I didn't know that.
00:10:34But what you're saying makes sense, right?
00:10:36And this is what Kendall was saying.
00:10:38Because the sensor is there.
00:10:39You see, the thing is, if one, the law is not in alignment with culture, you always have these kind of difficulties.
00:10:46And then if it's not enforced, then the culture will override the law, right?
00:10:51That is two.
00:10:52Then three, you were saying that people need some sort of control, right?
00:10:56Now, I agree with that top point.
00:10:58But if, I mean, for those who travel to other countries, the law, though, or the control still has some kind of functionality to it, right?
00:11:08And let me give you an example.
00:11:09If it is that there's no parking in the city, right?
00:11:14There's no parking lots and things like that.
00:11:17And people have problems parking.
00:11:18But then the law say you can't park on certain streets.
00:11:22Then it's not functional.
00:11:24Or a continuous white line.
00:11:25Right.
00:11:26Then it's not functional for, therefore, even the people to operate to follow the law.
00:11:31So the law still has to be some sort of functionality.
00:11:33Because I'm not condoning breaking the law.
00:11:37But even as you're saying, if it is, I am unsafe at a red light.
00:11:41And for my safety, then I will break the law.
00:11:43If it's not functional, that means it's not functional in the moment.
00:11:46So I'm adding all these elements because we're asking questions, why would a man commit a crime?
00:11:51But you're touching, you made a very good point early.
00:11:53You're talking about the word benefit.
00:11:55Now, that is a serious thing, right?
00:11:57We all do things when it's convenient to us.
00:12:01If it's convenient to me and I am benefiting, I am okay.
00:12:04So sometime I went to church.
00:12:07And a little lady said, you know what is sin?
00:12:10I said, well, no time to tell me.
00:12:12She said, sin is what you're not doing.
00:12:16She said, sin is what you see somebody else doing.
00:12:19It's not what you just do.
00:12:20It's what you just see somebody else doing.
00:12:22So in other words, what she's trying to say is that we don't see.
00:12:26Monkey don't see the length of the tale.
00:12:27Remember them kind of old times?
00:12:28Right, right.
00:12:28I like that one.
00:12:29I'm not really the one who gives the tale.
00:12:30We just see everybody's tale.
00:12:32And the reason why we don't see our tale is that we're benefiting somehow.
00:12:37Yeah.
00:12:37It's a benefit.
00:12:38Correct.
00:12:39And once you're not benefiting and we see somebody else benefiting, all of a sudden,
00:12:44you're not happy for a black man.
00:12:46You know what I'm saying?
00:12:46Wait, now, he's doing something wrong.
00:12:48He was doing it before in a different position.
00:12:51You might have a position today and you have one position now.
00:12:55And then when they change your position and they go somewhere else, you have a different
00:12:59view of what you was experiencing.
00:13:01Okay.
00:13:01So I'll give you an experience in terms of, so even on my days of being a sports anchor,
00:13:09I would see parents who wouldn't have no interest in something like water polo or sailing.
00:13:14The moment their child or nephew or somebody in their community does something well, all
00:13:20of a sudden, oh, well, they could not be reporting on these things.
00:13:24I'd make a big, big issue of it because it's now in their garden and it's important to them.
00:13:31And I have to try and explain that, yes, I agree that all sports should be covered, but
00:13:35at the end of the day, for the most part, we have to cover what is nationally of interest
00:13:40nationally on a broader scale when we're covering sport.
00:13:43But yes, we want to be all inclusive.
00:13:46But so again, when it impacts them, but you also see, so, you know, one of my pet peeves
00:13:53are, you know, people driving on the right side, you know, they say keep left except when
00:13:57overtaken, not using the indicator.
00:13:59But when you go on the Eastern Main Road, for example, and you know you can't park on
00:14:03a continuous white line, you can't even stop.
00:14:05So I ask myself, how does these shops and business places and so on get permits and permission
00:14:13to set up along the main road when you don't have parking?
00:14:17You see, culture not in alignment with the law.
00:14:20So the culture not in alignment with the law.
00:14:20And it's not functional.
00:14:21But on top of that, people, somebody will park to come out and buy a roti, right?
00:14:28And then go down the road, drive off with the roti, and then beat behind somebody for
00:14:34parking, for causing traffic, now that they're inconvenienced.
00:14:38But what's wrong?
00:14:38Kendall said something about enforcement, right?
00:14:41So never join in that scenario.
00:14:43Right.
00:14:44That same simple thing like a parking, right?
00:14:46So the police arrive now to enforce the law.
00:14:48So, it's the right thing, no parking zone.
00:14:52Are they wicked?
00:14:52Are they too wicked?
00:14:54Why are they going to catch the motor?
00:14:55So we're contributing, right?
00:14:56We're contributing because the police officers, we got to realize that in the police service,
00:15:00we have different officers for different things.
00:15:02That's like in CNC3.
00:15:04Not everybody's the anchor.
00:15:06Not everybody's the engineer.
00:15:08So we have traffic officers.
00:15:09Who does enforce the law?
00:15:11So they specifically, so when you see, you talk about roadblocks, so you have the traffic
00:15:15officers really doing the roadblocks.
00:15:16And when they check, you'll be surprised to see men driving, disqualified from holding
00:15:21a permit.
00:15:23But they want all the officers to go and catch the murderers.
00:15:26So it's a fair statement.
00:15:28But you have other things taking place that we must look into.
00:15:31But when you are a senior officer, you've been in this environment and on all aspects
00:15:36of the environment, even highway division, do you find it difficult to execute your role
00:15:45in this same said culture?
00:15:48Do you think it's fair how the police service is looked at?
00:15:54And do you think that you get the support to effect that role?
00:16:02And also from a management perspective, you know, seeing it as an ACP?
00:16:06It's like a double-edged sword.
00:16:09I wouldn't bury my head in the sand.
00:16:10We have some challenges.
00:16:11We have police officers who does do nonsense.
00:16:13Who's part of the culture.
00:16:14Right?
00:16:15Who's part of the culture.
00:16:16Correct.
00:16:16Because guess where we get the police officers from?
00:16:18When we're recruiting.
00:16:19The people.
00:16:20Correct.
00:16:21And what we try to do in six months in training, we try to shape the mind, boy.
00:16:29And that's a difficult thing to shape a person's mind.
00:16:3118 years of culture to shape that person's mind.
00:16:35So that's why some of the actors is coming out.
00:16:37Not with power.
00:16:38Not with power.
00:16:38A power of arrest.
00:16:40A police officer have the ability to stand up on the Euribar, but like,
00:16:43and let's pop his hands out and create a traffic stop for miles.
00:16:48That's the kind of power.
00:16:49So, to answer your question, support.
00:16:52We get support, but people support us conveniently.
00:16:55When they want something to happen to somebody else,
00:16:57yeah, yeah, charge him.
00:16:58When you're turn reaching out.
00:17:00Yeah.
00:17:01Dang.
00:17:02Too wicked.
00:17:03So it goes about to be accustomed to that.
00:17:06It's like customer service.
00:17:09You see where you go to a government building and how somebody,
00:17:13how you get treated.
00:17:14You come to the area and they're moving like,
00:17:17they had time for you.
00:17:18You understand?
00:17:19And you come on them time or you go in an establishment and buy something to eat
00:17:23and they're treating you like, you know.
00:17:25Sometimes your officer will get the same treatment, customer service.
00:17:29Like a business.
00:17:30If your business don't have proper customer service, it will flop.
00:17:33Nobody will come and do no business by you.
00:17:34So, it's a holistic.
00:17:37Well, it depends.
00:17:38It depends because that's a good point to make.
00:17:40You see, if you do have good customer service, people wouldn't come to you, right?
00:17:44But they have some places you have to go.
00:17:47Yeah, that's our choice.
00:17:47So, it don't really matter what treats you now.
00:17:50I don't want to go in the station now, but I have to go because something happened to me and I have to go.
00:17:54Right.
00:17:54But customer service is relative because it depends, again, on culture.
00:18:01Because have you ever gone, say, bamboo to buy a part?
00:18:04Right?
00:18:05That is not the general, like, you know, the...
00:18:07If you, you know, when you go to certain places, you have to adapt to the culture and that culture might be seen as the average, good morning, sir.
00:18:18You know, how can I help you?
00:18:20That's not how it is.
00:18:21It's a bit more rootsy.
00:18:23But once you could fit in and understand that, it's powerful the course.
00:18:29You know, and you get what you want.
00:18:32You know, you could go there and spend five minutes or you could go there and spend two hours.
00:18:36It depends how you adapt to the culture with regards to customer service, as you put it.
00:18:42Well, maybe that is the issue in Trinidad, in Trinidad and Tobago, right, is that the law, I don't think the law, and I'll just be in general here, updated itself with culture and what is functional.
00:18:57Because in the next segment, I'll do some research, because I can't remember the exact countries, but if the law is functional with the people and the times, then when I stop, if it had, I'll just give an example.
00:19:15Let me see.
00:19:15All right, I'll give you an example.
00:19:17You sure you want us to go to a break so you can do some research?
00:19:19Yeah, it'll be a crime if we take too long.
00:19:22Right, right, right.
00:19:23We'll be back.
00:19:34Hello, Trinidad and Tobago.
00:19:35I'm Assistant Commissioner of Police Wayne Meister, and you're viewing manhood.
00:19:39On today's topic, we are looking at why do persons commit offenses?
00:19:44What is the root cause analysis of persons?
00:19:46And, you know, I can start off by saying, this is from field experience.
00:19:51We would have interviewed, you know, persons who would have committed offenses, and to really hear, well, what was the, why, why I did it?
00:19:59And you'll be surprised, you know, one of the persons said, they are observing people in high society committing crimes, white-collar crimes, so to speak, stealing millions, and that kind of thing.
00:20:13And in their mind, okay, what's happened to us?
00:20:17The police coming at us, okay, for guns or drugs, no problem, but persons getting away.
00:20:22We want a piece of the pie.
00:20:24And that is the reality.
00:20:25That is what they are saying.
00:20:26And because they want a piece of the pie, that particular person said, well, you know what?
00:20:30I want to be like Robin Hood, because we all know, we praise Robin Hood, but Robin Hood really was a person who was stealing from the rich and giving to the poor.
00:20:39So if you watch the whole setup, people are committing offenses, and they call them some of them community leaders because they're helping the community leaders.
00:20:48And they have finances to do so, but while they're doing it, they're rubbing persons, and that's as real as you can get from when you feel from persons.
00:20:56So in your experience, that's a very good analogy, and a lot of it comes down to fairness.
00:21:02And people, when people feel that they're not being treated fairly, in many circumstances, they're going to rebel.
00:21:07So in communities, a lot of times people just want you to stay in your environment, and I will do what I can to try and help you as long as you stay out of my community and don't bring any robbery or rape or anything into my environment.
00:21:25But the persons themselves are looking at a nation, like you just said, where some are getting, and allegedly by means that are not quite honest, and legal, and notice I use the word alleged, and other persons are suffering.
00:21:46The majority, there's a huge party community where the salaries are under $5,000.
00:21:50And we know that you can't really survive in a real way, buy a mortgage, raise children, et cetera, and something like that.
00:21:58So as a result, as you do what is necessary, what you may see as necessary at that point, to survive.
00:22:06But not everyone is doing what's necessary.
00:22:09Then you take it another level now, and you want, you simply want what, you like nice things too.
00:22:14So then you go another level.
00:22:16And so we come back down to the real crux, the real point of this, today's show, which is what would make, why would a man commit a crime?
00:22:27All right.
00:22:27So let me go with Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right?
00:22:31And for those who don't know, Maslow's hierarchy of needs, these basic needs, food, shelter, right?
00:22:37Clothing.
00:22:38Security.
00:22:39Right?
00:22:40Well, yeah, security, but food, shelter, clothing.
00:22:42If a man can't provide that first for himself, then any means necessary.
00:22:49If a man then can't provide it for his family, whether it is his mom, his dad, whoever living in the house, or his wife, girlfriend, and child, then it makes sense.
00:22:59And again, I'm not condoning, but it makes sense that you do whatever is necessary.
00:23:03And then we spoke about before that if the law is not enforced in the way it's supposed to, then of course I could see ways I could get away.
00:23:12And then if I've seen, as you were saying, and you said, if I've seen other people doing it and getting away, then I even have more encouragement to do it.
00:23:20So again, I'm not condoning, and every man is responsible for his own behavior, but poor management of anything leads to people doing what is necessary.
00:23:34So if you're managing a business poorly, your employees will do whatever they feel like doing, that they need to survive or get whatever they want.
00:23:42If you're not managing your family properly, you'll get the same thing.
00:23:45So therefore you're not managing a country properly, you'll have the same result.
00:23:49Now we're going to my next angle.
00:23:51What school, what second year school you attended?
00:23:54QRC.
00:23:54Queens Royal College, right?
00:23:55I attended Belmont, well, intermediate, now St. Francis College.
00:24:01How much are your classmates probably run the same race as you, or be as successful as you, and so on?
00:24:10The point I'm trying to make is that we have a lot of our classmates who fell off the radar because they couldn't keep up with, let's say, the education system.
00:24:17We, our parents tell us, okay, force us to, we think, okay, we learn our work, okay, we come out of it.
00:24:25But there are plenty of the persons who wasn't inclined for that at all, at all.
00:24:29What happened to them?
00:24:30Where are they now?
00:24:31Because the system is forcing us.
00:24:33When you watch, when you watch SE, and they're highlighting, okay, you must pass to the school, and those schools get the big prestige.
00:24:40What about the other schools?
00:24:41What about all the secondary schools?
00:24:42What's happening to all these people?
00:24:44They ought to find alternatives.
00:24:45And if they can't fit in to the norms, then what do they ought to do?
00:24:50They ought to survive, you know?
00:24:51I agree with you, and you see, there's a management problem, you know?
00:24:54Okay.
00:24:54If things not working in our country, change it.
00:24:58It's cast to the, it's cast to the same.
00:25:02What you're not changing, you're choosing.
00:25:05And so, you know, or what you tolerate, what you not tolerate, what you tolerate, you validate.
00:25:11So, there's all these things that run around, but I still want to, so why would a man commit a crime?
00:25:19So, we've established reasons behind why you would commit a crime, for other reasons.
00:25:26Some for necessity, and others for want, and the others just because I could get away with it.
00:25:32You know, if you know certain people, or you know I'm a big fish in a small pond, you will take the chance and break that line.
00:25:38You will take the chance and, you know, whether you get in an altercation or tell a police something, go down the priority bus route, and you get away with it.
00:25:48Because you know, you have that culture, depends on who you know, and another person is looking at that and saying, look what this person has done.
00:25:58And look at what the punishment was for that, or lack thereof.
00:26:02And here it is, I have just done this, and I might be in jail.
00:26:06I want to be controversial and say I want to blame the media too, because we're looking at different reasons, right?
00:26:12You could do that, you could try to blame the media.
00:26:14Yeah, when I say blame the media, you know, I ain't pinpoint anybody.
00:26:16But when I talk about media too, I'm talking about also the institution that air television.
00:26:22Now, we glorify crimes, you know.
00:26:25You ever watch Ocean 11, Ocean 12, and Ocean 13?
00:26:28What that is?
00:26:28That's stars in that.
00:26:31What them fellas went and do?
00:26:32Correct.
00:26:33Them fellas went and robbed this man from a big heist.
00:26:37And they were the stars of the program.
00:26:39Right.
00:26:40We seen that, our children growing up seen those things.
00:26:43So it is sometimes...
00:26:45Even these gang shows, you know, we look at it and we like the...
00:26:47It's glorified.
00:26:48Yeah.
00:26:48So in that context, we are talking about with the media, you know, so we air these programs and over this unit.
00:26:56I am happy.
00:26:57I want to be a Brad Pitt.
00:26:59In that program, I watch in that program, seriously.
00:27:02And you're correct.
00:27:03And I'm glad you raised that because one of the other reasons I was going to say is whatever your CEO will do.
00:27:11Right?
00:27:11And, you know, we have a conscious and unconscious mind or subconscious mind.
00:27:17Our subconscious mind doesn't know the difference between right or wrong.
00:27:21All your subconscious knows is what is repeated.
00:27:24So whatever you see all the time, hear all the time, hear all the time, hear all the time, you'll get accustomed to.
00:27:29Right?
00:27:29So if you grew up seeing crime around you, that's what you would want to do because that's what you see.
00:27:36Right?
00:27:36In most cases.
00:27:38If you grew up hearing certain types of music, that's what you would want to do.
00:27:40If you grew up seeing it on TV, if it's just around you.
00:27:44And also, and as the point is, if you grew up seeing your leaders doing it.
00:27:49Right?
00:27:49If you grew up seeing, and I'll tell you, I'll never forget, there's a group of boys I was doing some work with in a quote-unquote hotspot.
00:27:59And I asked them what they want to be when they grow up.
00:28:01And most of them said, policeman or army man.
00:28:05And I was like, why?
00:28:06None of them said anything about helping people.
00:28:08None of them said anything about protection.
00:28:10But all of them said what they saw is the army man have a gun, so nobody will do him anything.
00:28:16The policeman could do whatever he want.
00:28:18And so I said, where did you get that concept from?
00:28:20Sir, Mr. Ting, who is that policeman around here?
00:28:22That is what they grew up seeing.
00:28:24Those along in traffic, poor on the siren, all those people see that.
00:28:27And they think, well, you could.
00:28:28And I want that power.
00:28:30And when we started.
00:28:30Because the lack of education too is the process too.
00:28:33Because if they're seeing that as what they want to be because of this, not the real reason.
00:28:42It means our education program and process.
00:28:45Educating.
00:28:46Now we talk about our parents' long time.
00:28:47Our parents' long time, most of the times they were robust.
00:28:51We did things out of here.
00:28:53But it benefited us technically.
00:28:55But it didn't have a real reason.
00:28:57Now the generation was challenging that.
00:28:59What is the real reason why you're telling me, don't do this?
00:29:03We can't answer them.
00:29:04Why?
00:29:05Well, I don't know.
00:29:05Why you can't answer them?
00:29:06You're in that generation that can't answer them.
00:29:08Why you can't answer them?
00:29:09Because I get brainwashing now.
00:29:12Coming up the thing.
00:29:13So I clearly went on.
00:29:14I'm going to shake your hand.
00:29:15Thank you for being honest.
00:29:17Right?
00:29:18And why I say that is because the people older than me, I am 40 years old.
00:29:23So, right?
00:29:23I am a millennial.
00:29:24But the people older than me, who in power, who are the leaders, can't answer the questions.
00:29:30Even if you can't answer a question, either one, you know the answer and you don't want to tell, or you don't have a clue.
00:29:36And if you don't have a clue, then you shouldn't be running anything.
00:29:39And if you can't answer honest, well, I mean, it had dishonest leaders.
00:29:43So I ain't saying it shouldn't be a leader.
00:29:45But then understand we are being run by dishonesty.
00:29:48And then let me accept that and let me move to suit and not pretend that we're honest and we know everything dishonest.
00:29:56We know I could buy a license.
00:29:58We know I could pay extra money to get my passport quicker.
00:30:00We know those things.
00:30:02So pretending it don't exist is also part of the problem.
00:30:06And therefore, why would a man commit crime?
00:30:10Because I know these things exist.
00:30:11I know I could get away with it.
00:30:14Because if I know that, and at least the probability of me getting away with it is higher because I've seen it, then why not?
00:30:21Well, to piggyback on what you're saying, you know, the new generation are doing research.
00:30:25You need to have some offenses here.
00:30:26It's not offenses in different parts of the world, right?
00:30:28It's not different.
00:30:29So, for example, if I am a student and I do research and I realize we're making a big fuss about certain offenses here.
00:30:41But when they go, okay, like, for example, obscene language.
00:30:43I'm just saying that, right?
00:30:45Obscene and annoying language.
00:30:47Right.
00:30:47That is it.
00:30:48Annoying language.
00:30:49I mean, we have that in our law books.
00:30:51But when you go to the United States, you see police officers being, getting cussed out.
00:30:57Freedom of speech.
00:30:58Right.
00:30:58Telling them all kinds of different things.
00:30:59And it's a normal thing.
00:31:01So our generation watching those things.
00:31:03Why are we so backward?
00:31:04Did I want to say, you know?
00:31:05Why are we so backward?
00:31:06Okay, they criminalize the aspect of marijuana, right?
00:31:10Some places, there's free reign.
00:31:12You can have your trees.
00:31:14You can grow your backyard.
00:31:14So we're seeing those things.
00:31:17So there's a rebellion taking place.
00:31:19There's a revolting.
00:31:21Things have been internationally, but we're still here.
00:31:23Yeah.
00:31:24Yeah.
00:31:25Who falls into that that we're still here?
00:31:28Well, you mentioned management.
00:31:30Right?
00:31:30And I say that because if we have a system where we have to elect managers, right?
00:31:37Then the managers have to do something.
00:31:38If the manager's not doing it, then the employees will then revolt and do what they have to do now.
00:31:42However, I want to come back to not just the topic, but something way inside of the start.
00:31:48The man in the mirror.
00:31:50Because, yes, you can't keep looking at, you know, asking what your country could do for you.
00:31:56You also have to ask what can you do for your country.
00:31:58But also, likewise, yes, you elect management.
00:32:00But you also have to tell yourself you're a grown a** man or a grown a** woman.
00:32:05And what are you doing to affect the community that you're living in, the children that you have, your nieces, your nephews, yourself.
00:32:15That man in the mirror and say, okay, am I going past and putting my nose out in the traffic light?
00:32:21Am I leaving a bottle there during carnival?
00:32:24Am I urinating on a wall?
00:32:26All of these little things that you think, eh, it was just that.
00:32:29Who are you to decide, I could just do this level of what is still considered crime?
00:32:37And then look at somebody else and your bold, you know what I give you, like I say in Trinidad, your bold face.
00:32:42The bold facity of it is that you are determining the levels of crime that's acceptable.
00:32:48But you have to start with yourself and introspect.
00:32:52It's evolving, right?
00:32:54So let's give you a classic example.
00:32:56You know a long time, when you were in a church, you know a long time it was a sin in church to wear lipstick.
00:33:02Women, if a woman had a dress up, I think I'm wearing lipstick and they can't go sin.
00:33:08Yeah, can't go sin.
00:33:09You can't go sin.
00:33:09Right, right.
00:33:10Yeah, yeah.
00:33:10No, but now.
00:33:11Holy word, boy.
00:33:12No, but now things evolve, you know.
00:33:14If you go to church now, I mean, and this is new, but.
00:33:19People evolve.
00:33:20Yeah, women could dress with the arm out now.
00:33:23Yeah.
00:33:24Women could wear pants, because you couldn't wear pants before, right?
00:33:26So I still have to say two influential things.
00:33:28So, for example, I was making a joke the other day.
00:33:32The artist, Shensi, right?
00:33:34She sang a big song, big song, hit and run.
00:33:37And everybody like, if a man had sung that hit and run song, what would I get?
00:33:42No, I'm just saying.
00:33:45Is that really just his manhood?
00:33:46Here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here.
00:33:48You see that hit and run song?
00:33:50Yeah.
00:33:51I hear little children singing that song.
00:33:53That song is a hit with little children, too.
00:33:55And people is laugh with the little children dancing and thinking hit and run.
00:33:58And they're just one of these songs.
00:34:00Right.
00:34:00Just one of these songs.
00:34:01Correct.
00:34:02Correct.
00:34:02But yet still, women will come.
00:34:04A woman is singing a song.
00:34:06But if a man, women are going, saying, you know, how you're degrading a woman.
00:34:10Degrading a woman, too.
00:34:10And all of these things.
00:34:11But it's a woman singing it.
00:34:14And other women are singing along with it.
00:34:16So, and a lot of times, even when males sing it, when men sing it, it's women dancing in it.
00:34:22I saw this popular song now.
00:34:27I quite like it.
00:34:27Young Brother song now.
00:34:29And there's a woman in it, you know, whining.
00:34:33And yes, I was looking at it yesterday and say, oh God, this woman could real whine by pelt waste.
00:34:38You know, nice.
00:34:40And two women around me are going, you see, you see.
00:34:44And I'm telling myself, but I am not watching a guy or somebody else is showing me this.
00:34:50This is a woman in the video.
00:34:53Why are you having an attack on me for looking at what is clearly there for food?
00:34:57So, link it back now, if you need to link it back to why men.
00:35:02So, influence is a factor.
00:35:05Influence have to be a factor.
00:35:07Even though people are responsible for their behavior, you could program somebody to do things.
00:35:12Look at this fella.
00:35:13You all remember a fella called Dudu Skook from Jamaica?
00:35:16No.
00:35:17He was a community leader.
00:35:19Serious.
00:35:19He was like, you know, a known man.
00:35:23When the officials went for him, the community stand behind that man and was defending that community.
00:35:31Shootout and everything in communities with him fighting, you know.
00:35:35And he was, but he used to take care of his community.
00:35:38Robin Hood.
00:35:39And the people who grew up with that, they're seeing it.
00:35:43And they're saying, okay, this man is a good man because he's feeding me.
00:35:46He's feeding my parents.
00:35:48He's getting books for everybody.
00:35:50So, crime is okay in this context.
00:35:54Right.
00:35:55And that has happened most places too.
00:35:57Like, yeah, a man ain't having nothing.
00:35:59And a man say, yeah, we'll get you these shoes.
00:36:01We'll get you this thing.
00:36:02And you start to lean towards him and next thing you know, you're doing other jobs for you.
00:36:08And you're getting doctored right there.
00:36:10That's a good point because I'll go back to the spiritual thing though.
00:36:14A person come and say, hey, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and say, I'll just use another thing.
00:36:19Right.
00:36:20But to a hungry man, God is bread enough.
00:36:25Right.
00:36:25So, if I just tell you, accept, and I accept, and I, so you say, if I call you and say, okay, come, you're hungry, look something to eat.
00:36:36Then I'm looking at you now.
00:36:37Yep.
00:36:38And we go back, mazo, hiya, kiya, niya.
00:36:40Yes.
00:36:40Food.
00:36:40Yeah, you're hidden here.
00:36:41Shelter.
00:36:43Clothing.
00:36:43You give people these things because if they don't have it, then it's in scarcity.
00:36:48And I mean, it will be, it will be their God.
00:36:50And again, that's a management issue.
00:36:52And we, no, I'll manage my time and let me go to a break.
00:37:10Welcome back to Manhood.
00:37:12We're speaking about why would a man commit a crime?
00:37:16And one point we left on is the influence of video games, the influence of music, the influence of things that people see around.
00:37:26And I was making the point of this Christmas, 2024 Christmas.
00:37:31I can't say all, but the majority of children I see running around with the gel, the water gel pellet, the gel, right, guns.
00:37:41Everybody running around shooting.
00:37:43I had some relatives from the states and they were like, oh, I now understand why children had crimes.
00:37:48So literally they said that because you're just seeing children running around shooting each other.
00:37:53Now, in the past, people used to argue, well, that is just a toy.
00:37:57But one, a lot of them, one, look like real guns.
00:38:01Two, whatever you practice, that is where you get accustomed to.
00:38:05I remember growing up with the little caps gun, with the little red thing, as I used to, as I used to, yeah.
00:38:11And when you used to spray paint the little red part, black, and used that.
00:38:15You understand, but now it had to be how your mental upbringing is.
00:38:22I might grow up playing with that, but I didn't turn out no bandit or anything like that or looking for a gun.
00:38:27Why? Why you wouldn't turn out?
00:38:29You sure? I'll go and check the records.
00:38:31No, that's one of the double checks.
00:38:33Anyhow, right.
00:38:34I will certainly need to tell you.
00:38:35Tell me why, why if you grew up still playing with it, you wouldn't turn out as a bandit or a crime?
00:38:40I understand, but I grew up in church and I understand where the right from wrong and...
00:38:47But how? How you understand that? Who tell you that?
00:38:49My parents.
00:38:50Right. And I'm the management part of it now.
00:38:52We grew up in fear. Remember we grew up in fear now. Remember licks.
00:38:56Don't do this. Why? No, we didn't ask why.
00:38:59We just do it because they said don't do it.
00:39:01Yeah, but we said that to them.
00:39:02We don't want the licks.
00:39:03Yeah, and we're afraid of the licks.
00:39:04But when we reach the state, no one's thinking out of the box.
00:39:07People are thinking out of the box now.
00:39:09Right.
00:39:09Why? Why I mustn't do this?
00:39:11You made a point. Laws, right?
00:39:13Now, let me ask you a lot of questions.
00:39:14Who does come up...
00:39:16With the laws?
00:39:16With the laws.
00:39:18Some of them I just feel, and I ain't feel too bad, I think I'm convinced,
00:39:21unless somebody might come up with a law, to suit a plan that they have to benefit,
00:39:29let me say us, but I don't want them to benefit.
00:39:31So let me introduce this law that will say it's an offense.
00:39:35Okay, let's use an example.
00:39:36The whole DSS thing, right?
00:39:39I'm just using that as an example.
00:39:41Very good example.
00:39:42Thanks for reminding me.
00:39:43Right.
00:39:43So I just say there are financial rules pertaining to those things.
00:39:47Right.
00:39:48But who are the financial rules benefiting really and truly?
00:39:50Right.
00:39:51And how much of them know the rules?
00:39:52Right.
00:39:52Only a few.
00:39:53But the man in the ground, he's saying that, hey, I could put this here, and get back this
00:39:58here, and we could pull together like a susu, like, generally like a long-term susu.
00:40:03Simply banked you in, but you can't do it.
00:40:05But we can't do it.
00:40:06So, I can't do it.
00:40:07I like a...
00:40:08I'm just throwing it out, right?
00:40:09I ain't saying, right?
00:40:09Wee-wee and play-wee.
00:40:11Yeah.
00:40:11Right?
00:40:12You know, wee-wee and play-wee, yeah.
00:40:13Right?
00:40:14Wee-wee illegal, right?
00:40:15But play-wee illegal.
00:40:15And WAPI and all those things.
00:40:16But legalized now.
00:40:17So it's official.
00:40:19So who benefited now when it legalized?
00:40:20Right.
00:40:21Yeah.
00:40:21But before, a man, you hear your grandfather say, go down to play a Mac, but long-term
00:40:26police were running on men for that.
00:40:28Mm-hmm.
00:40:28But it's the same thing with regards to marijuana.
00:40:30That was one of the reasons they say, because you can't tax it.
00:40:33In the same way, it's easier to tax your cigarettes and alcohol and things like that,
00:40:37which is why this, until you reach a point now that you can find out,
00:40:40so we could...
00:40:41Right.
00:40:41So was it an offense, or is it that we're doing it so that we can get money from it?
00:40:45To benefit.
00:40:46It has to benefit.
00:40:47I'd say it, right?
00:40:48But the other flip side to that, because, I mean, this is a longer conversation.
00:40:53When we talk about why would a man commit a crime, part of that also is that in feeling
00:41:02a sense of unfairness, because we've seen history where things, people have had to rebel,
00:41:08people have had to kill, people have had to do certain things, even Gandhi, you know,
00:41:13had to turn to bloodshed at some point, because it's the only way Jesus, you know, ran into
00:41:19the temple and started shalex.
00:41:22You know, at some point, things have to come to maybe some level, levels of change.
00:41:30I don't want to say violence.
00:41:32Change.
00:41:33Change.
00:41:33That's a good point.
00:41:35And as I said before, what you're not changing, you're choosing.
00:41:39And sometimes you have to, what we now benefit from, even Carnival, was born out of rebellion.
00:41:47And at that point, it wouldn't have been seen as, ah, boy, when everyone's doing this...
00:41:50How much of them know that?
00:41:52That it was born out of rebellion.
00:41:54How much of them know that?
00:41:54All they know is party.
00:41:55And so, and this is the point, what we enjoy now, at some point, somebody had to stand up.
00:42:01Somebody had to say, this is why.
00:42:04Right.
00:42:04And so, what you're saying there, you know, we know, or at least we think we know,
00:42:09change is the only concern, right?
00:42:11We think we know that, but we want things to stay the same.
00:42:14And if anybody, whether it is you personally, whether it is in your family, whether it is
00:42:20a business or a group of organization or a country, if you refuse to change,
00:42:25then change will be made for you now.
00:42:27Correct.
00:42:27Right?
00:42:27And revolution is change.
00:42:29Revolution only become necessary when the thing's not changing.
00:42:34Because if we realize, wait, now we're in 2025, and this law needs to change, this needs to change,
00:42:39and we're doing things to make sure.
00:42:41By now, we know, eh, it happened, too many cars on the road.
00:42:44Maybe we should do the train system.
00:42:46Maybe we should do a railway.
00:42:47Maybe the PTSD buses should be on time.
00:42:49Maybe all those things, we know, they're supposed to happen, that should change, that it's not.
00:42:56Then, the only thing left for a man to do is do the revolution for himself.
00:43:00So, if, like your personal, let me say you want to get a new job, you want to lose weight,
00:43:07you want to wear weight, if what you're doing is not working, then you have to do something to change.
00:43:11So, you have to have a self-revolution first.
00:43:13Then, if you and your wife or your girlfriend, things are not working out, you're casting, doing the same thing,
00:43:18you have to do something different.
00:43:20Your children are not working out, they're not going step by step by step.
00:43:23Your neighborhood, your community, if it's not working out, then a man has to do something.
00:43:29You're looking in the mirror, yes, but you have to do something.
00:43:32So, are we saying then that, and I'm asking the question because I don't want to leave,
00:43:37there's a lot of open-endedness in this conversation,
00:43:39and, you know, I don't want people to pick certain parts of it and think,
00:43:42ah, boy, this is where I could take this and run, hit and run.
00:43:46That's in another context, right?
00:43:49And is it that crime is a, certain aspects of crime is a necessary evil?
00:43:56Because at that point, whatever, as we talk about here,
00:43:59what that law may have been set up for at this point is no longer part of, say, this new generation.
00:44:06It is no longer applicable.
00:44:08So, for example, you find a lot of what we call our folklore.
00:44:13Folklore comes as a result of ways that communities would have put things in place
00:44:19to have levels of control over their kids, for example.
00:44:24So, when you come up with things like...
00:44:26Larger bless.
00:44:27Larger bless.
00:44:28It's free to stay inside.
00:44:29It's free to stay inside.
00:44:30No going to the forest.
00:44:31You know, when you go, when, when you go in the water,
00:44:34stay away from the water's edge.
00:44:35Things like levels of control in Ireland.
00:44:38When you talk about the, you know, the mermaid that throws the comb and things like that.
00:44:41It was women who were considered at that point impure because of, you know, the menstrual cycle.
00:44:46You know, there's a lot of things that were brought about as a result of means of control.
00:44:51So, I'm saying, is crime then...
00:44:54Like you say, means of management.
00:44:55Management.
00:44:56Is crime then a necessary evil to sometimes bring about change?
00:45:01So, you know, a lot of people may look at what could be a crime today, 10 years from now might not be a crime.
00:45:09Or somebody, for example, somebody speeding, breaking the law, runs into a particular area and then all of a sudden we get traffic lights.
00:45:21We get, what's it called?
00:45:25The walkover.
00:45:26The walkover or the shoulder.
00:45:28Don't get me started on walkover because you build walkover and you still, you see people under the walkover running across the road, right?
00:45:35So, how many people actually use them?
00:45:37But, again, that is another show.
00:45:40Is that what we say, Mike?
00:45:41You know, I don't want to say publicly that it is, that, you know, crime is a necessary evil because we still have to go with, okay, this is the law here.
00:45:51And we have to adhere to the law.
00:45:53But there are certain levels of crime too.
00:45:55Well, that was it.
00:45:56Because you have a man under poverty, he can have a 3D family, he's looking for something to do, he can have a job.
00:46:02He had a 3D family, he might go on shoplift.
00:46:04You know what I'm saying?
00:46:06He might rob somebody, somebody.
00:46:07But crime is still a crime.
00:46:08But crime is still a crime.
00:46:11But I am saying greed, right?
00:46:14I'm using the word greed.
00:46:16Because I mentioned it before.
00:46:18Who are the persons who come up?
00:46:21And it doesn't mean, it's not the man in the grung who does come up with the law.
00:46:26I just say, you know.
00:46:27But if we say, you know, we have a plan, but we say, right, talk to make somebody who sounds about you.
00:46:31And I say, right, you have power here, you have power here, right.
00:46:33We come up with a rule.
00:46:34If I do have only $100 bills, let me change your $100 bills, right?
00:46:38Okay.
00:46:38Let me come up with a rule that the only person who's supposed to come on manhood is men over 40.
00:46:42I just use it in that.
00:46:43Because we create a rule.
00:46:45So the person under 40 wants to say, well, why are you doing that?
00:46:48But we just don't want all to hear.
00:46:50I don't want to hear a Gen Z perspective.
00:46:52Yeah, we don't want to hear all that.
00:46:53We want to keep this in the circle here.
00:46:55So it's a revolt.
00:46:57You say it's a revolt because the young generation revolting in their mind, they're challenging.
00:47:04And we as police officers, sometimes we see, sometimes, you know, you say police officers have a discussion.
00:47:09Because sometimes we see certain things happening.
00:47:11And it's not that, I don't want to use the word we turn a blind eye.
00:47:14But sometimes we analyze the situation and we say, okay.
00:47:18Sometimes you look up a man, they put a man before the court.
00:47:21He have nothing.
00:47:23You put him before the court.
00:47:24He make a jail.
00:47:25He goes in.
00:47:26He comes back out worse because he meet friends and so on.
00:47:29He come back out with nothing.
00:47:31And he goes back and there's a cycle.
00:47:33Where is the change for this man?
00:47:36Those are the kind of things we ought to consider.
00:47:37As you said that, I want to, because I mean, I don't mind even extending this segment.
00:47:43How do you look, you know, you said discretion.
00:47:47Now, there was an example of a friend of mine recently.
00:47:53He, the estranged or the separated now from his wife and went to the police station.
00:48:03She had a protection order.
00:48:04And the protection order was basically about getting back into the home.
00:48:10And in getting back into the home, it was like, well, why are you coming back into my home?
00:48:14It's not really my home.
00:48:15It's a dwelling with other persons there.
00:48:19I'll get something for you.
00:48:20Now, the piece of paper was an instruction by the court for a certain action.
00:48:26But the police officers at that point were able to look at that.
00:48:32And even though there's an order to understand the circumstance, because it was over a weekend, so they couldn't do anything until, you can't go to the court until Monday unless you go to a justice of the peace.
00:48:40And they were able to, as you said, use discretion and understand the particular situation and had them resolve the particular situation to then rent a place for her.
00:48:53So my thing, Wayne, at that point, I would have felt, hearing the story, went, wow, kudos to those officers for using the noggin, as they say, you know, and using that discretion, working out a situation.
00:49:08But not even technically, but as law enforcement, they were supposed to enforce that law, regardless of what you say in here, I'm supposed to enforce that law, which could have ended up into probably a situation of domestic violence.
00:49:25How, again, when I mentioned to you, especially you in a senior capacity, having to manage and lead other minds, like we spoke about those 18-year-olds and these people coming here, how do you manage around that?
00:49:37The difference between the law and what you know is right.
00:49:40Right, so, let me show you for the room.
00:49:43Let's say they had used the discussion, and let me say that over that weekend, the man killed his wife.
00:49:48Now, the same people who were saying, Hosanna to the heist on a Sunday, were the same people the next week saying, crucify him now.
00:49:57The same people, so, you may applaud us for using the discussion in this, but if something has switched now, you'll say, well, why the police didn't enforce it?
00:50:06That's why sometimes we have to take the hard approach, especially with domestic violence, and go with the law, because we can't afford to take no chances.
00:50:16So, when I talk about this question sometimes, you know, sometimes if you could go and resolve a situation and you know it could work, then all good and well is a win-win situation.
00:50:27But do you have that bandwidth, is what I'm saying to you? Is it an unspoken word?
00:50:30No, there's nothing in law saying that we could use our discussion. It's either you commit an offence and we lock you up or not.
00:50:37But there's always the human, what you call the letter of the law, but the spirit of the law, that we need to sometimes look at as human beings.
00:50:45Because at the end of the day, when they think outside the box, where is this going? It's not going anywhere.
00:50:50But could you be brought to task for that, if that was then recognized? Like, for example, if after the fact this situation is resolved and a good deed was done,
00:50:59and domestic violence was, you know, potentially averted,
00:51:04is it that someone, another officer who maybe may have been listening in, could say to himself,
00:51:11but you were supposed to enforce that law and you didn't. Could you be reprimanded for that?
00:51:18You could, you could, because there's a court order now. Court orders must be followed by the police officers.
00:51:24So, you could do it, you could do two ways. You could serve the person, still serve the person,
00:51:29and still offer that counseling as part of our extra layer. But anytime they refuse to do the court order,
00:51:36and just do the counseling alone, so you had to go hand in hand somewhere along the way.
00:51:39So, you had to follow the law.
00:51:40So, we come back to, when we spoke about reward and consequences and fear, like, you know, with licks and all these other things,
00:51:47are you now going to say, listen, I know that this could be resolved this way. I know this is the right thing to do.
00:51:52I am, I am people too. You know, as a voice had said it, we as people too, I as people too.
00:51:59And you know that this could be avoided there. But are you then going to say, I'm not going to take this road,
00:52:03because, you know what, I have my family to feed. I'm looking for this promotion.
00:52:06I'm not trying to get involved in that. Family, hear what? This is what has to happen.
00:52:12And we go down a road, almost like locking somebody up for something that is minor,
00:52:18and then we turn that person possibly into a criminal, or in this case, a domestic violence case that could be avoided.
00:52:26Robert, you see those factors you're saying there. When you're managing anything, you'll have elements that, or variables,
00:52:33extraneous variables, things that you can't, you couldn't figure out before, you couldn't predict.
00:52:38And therefore, a good manager will now put systems in place. So, you're running a business,
00:52:43certainly with customers, you never know, you write a new amendment, you write a new law, you write a new contract.
00:52:48And therefore, that means it's changed. If things are not changed, because as time goes forward, new elements will come.
00:52:56So, before, it was based on fear. You do this, you have to listen to it.
00:52:59So, let's just say there's a court order, you have to enforce it, but then you have other elements that could play.
00:53:05So, now, and in other parts of the country, in other parts of the world, there are things like,
00:53:11okay, there's a councillor that accompanies a policeman for a domestic, they are, well, we have things like gender-based unit,
00:53:18things like that now. But things should be put in place as things change.
00:53:24So, therefore, now, people do have to take it upon themselves to make the change.
00:53:29And people, of course, do have, may not have legislative power, right?
00:53:32And then even, as you say, the spirit of the law versus the actual law.
00:53:37If you have subsidiary or ancillary services that could accompany the police or anything now,
00:53:45we could go any way, even if we're coming back and see we have time.
00:53:49So, why would a man commit a crime?
00:53:52If a man don't have food, right, in countries have ancillary services like social services,
00:53:58that are things where if people don't have something, we could go in the community and provide.
00:54:03But if the management not providing those things, then there's a possibility,
00:54:08then I have to take it upon myself.
00:54:10And again, I'm not going with blaming other people for other people's behavior
00:54:14because whatever a man do, he's responsible for.
00:54:18But if I do have food, you can't tell me then just starve and hope for the best, right?
00:54:25You can't watch anybody in good conscience and tell them do that.
00:54:28If my children don't have food or I lose my job or something along those lines,
00:54:34you can't just say, well, you just wait and hope somebody will help you.
00:54:38You have to go out and do something.
00:54:40And if whatever system's in place, because you don't have legislative power to create the system,
00:54:45then, of course, the management fail and then I have to find another system.
00:54:48And if the system I find is illegal, but because the legal system is not relevant
00:54:54or not in alignment with what's going on in the current time, then I have to do what I have to do.
00:54:59So my answer to why would a man commit crime?
00:55:04One, I would say, is not something you should do because the law is the law, right?
00:55:08There are consequences to breaking the law.
00:55:10But we'll give some reasons why already.
00:55:13And there are reasons why a man may commit a crime.
00:55:16But I want to thank you for saying, you're saying that the police now,
00:55:21here where we are, we always have the burden on the stick.
00:55:27You know why?
00:55:28Because our job is just to enforce the law, right?
00:55:32We are not concerned, or since we're not concerned,
00:55:34but we have no say in the management structure in whole society, so what's it be?
00:55:40Okay.
00:55:40So you're telling me now, okay, this man commit those offences, lock him up.
00:55:44But you now mentioned that man in hand of food.
00:55:47He grew up in a family structure where poverty and that kind of thing,
00:55:51that had nothing to do with me as the police officers.
00:55:53Correct.
00:55:53But we are seen as the bad guys because when we go now to arrest the offence,
00:55:59they are looking at, but why are the police coming at us?
00:56:02So in other words, the police, the people are saying,
00:56:05the police should be arresting other people and give us a chance.
00:56:10They're saying there's the whole thing pulling.
00:56:13You make a real good point.
00:56:14And we are always the bad guys.
00:56:16You mentioned one with the traffic lights, and this is another wow moment.
00:56:23Because you are right.
00:56:24Many a time, people look at you doing your job and enforcing the law.
00:56:32But again, because you're front-facing, you're in their face.
00:56:36So somebody sees me on the road, for example, and they have an issue with Guardian Media
00:56:40or something happens.
00:56:42They're going to come and challenge me about it.
00:56:44Because I'm the one that's a representative of that point of Guardian Media.
00:56:49So in the same way, even though you're just doing your job,
00:56:54they don't know, like we said, who's making these laws.
00:56:58So they might be able to speak to that PS or the Senate or the Cabinet or the Minister
00:57:04or who all these other people that are lobbying or create the particular laws
00:57:09or put it in place.
00:57:12You're the one that's taking away their husband or brother or person
00:57:16at that particular point.
00:57:17So there's an under...
00:57:19Well, I'm using certified ways, and I overstand.
00:57:23You know, we overstand certain things.
00:57:25But at the same time, every action must have a reaction.
00:57:28And you use the word, there are just now consequences.
00:57:31Whether we may particularly...
00:57:33Whether we can relate, there's still a consequence for whatever action that was taken.
00:57:38And so I don't really want to use the time left on my summary of this conversation
00:57:49because I really want to hear from you in...
00:57:52And it'd be remiss of us not to have, in the midst of our state of emergency,
00:57:56not to have a conversation of your thoughts on that,
00:57:59whether it is going to resolve anything in this country.
00:58:04And do you think that...
00:58:06Do you think we are a lost cause?
00:58:08Basically.
00:58:11So the answer to the last question,
00:58:12because no, we're not a lost cause.
00:58:15We could, as a wise man...
00:58:18Well, as I'm answering it,
00:58:19we could make China and Germany go safe again, you know.
00:58:21That could happen.
00:58:22I mean, that's my mantra.
00:58:24We could make it safe again.
00:58:26And...
00:58:26What would it take?
00:58:27I don't want you just to say that, just like that.
00:58:29We could make it safe again.
00:58:31What...
00:58:31And asking you not just as ACP,
00:58:32asking you as your manhood,
00:58:34asking you as a citizen.
00:58:37Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:58:37Honestly, I honestly feel,
00:58:39I honestly believe that we are still the best planet.
00:58:42I'm the best country on the planet, right?
00:58:44I agree.
00:58:45Because we are accustomed to a level of freedom,
00:58:49which we experience.
00:58:50The day that we lose that freedom,
00:58:52then we'll understand it.
00:58:53But we had a level,
00:58:55and we could do it.
00:58:55But I believe education is really important.
00:58:58I believe also, too,
00:58:59that you take everybody,
00:59:02you do a skill...
00:59:03You do a skill bank taking the service.
00:59:06Find out who is an expert in what,
00:59:08who could do this.
00:59:09All of us can't do the same thing.
00:59:11I talk about when we left school,
00:59:13where are our colleagues?
00:59:14And we see what is happening.
00:59:16We need to find out
00:59:17and find a chart for them.
00:59:19And if you could find a chart for them
00:59:20by educating them as this direction,
00:59:22they could go in.
00:59:24It could work out.
00:59:25But it's a collaborative effort.
00:59:27So my next question then would be,
00:59:29do you think it will be done?
00:59:31Because we could say,
00:59:32this is what it will take
00:59:33to bring children back to Sweet TNT again,
00:59:36you know,
00:59:36but do you think in our lifetime
00:59:38that someone is going to have the cojones
00:59:40to be able to do that
00:59:42and that the nation will support
00:59:44such a decision?
00:59:45It could happen.
00:59:46It has a lot to do
00:59:47with this young generation.
00:59:49And I will consider myself
00:59:50in this generation,
00:59:51meaning that even though
00:59:52I consider myself a hybrid
00:59:54because I do my research,
00:59:56I like to keep learning
00:59:57and so on,
00:59:57so I want to keep abreast.
00:59:58And there are persons
00:59:59who are challenging the status quo.
01:00:02They're going to challenge it
01:00:02and somewhere along the line,
01:00:04somebody's going to evolve
01:00:06and emerge.
01:00:08And the status quo
01:00:09will die eventually.
01:00:11Right?
01:00:12I mean,
01:00:12the holding on,
01:00:13but your car fight age,
01:00:15right?
01:00:15And when the status quo,
01:00:17go on,
01:00:17I mean,
01:00:18then things will have to change,
01:00:19have to change,
01:00:20you know?
01:00:20Change is change.
01:00:21Trinidad have to change.
01:00:22We're trying to keep trinidad
01:00:24the same as...
01:00:25But would it be a peace,
01:00:26would it be a transition
01:00:28peacefully
01:00:29or do you think
01:00:29it needs to change
01:00:30like a...
01:00:31That depends on your management.
01:00:33Like coming to a communist environment.
01:00:34That depends on your management.
01:00:35I'm not going to say
01:00:36that's the management.
01:00:37It depends on your management
01:00:38whether it's violent or not.
01:00:40You have to manage
01:00:40the little ones
01:00:41coming up.
01:00:43Because it can't change
01:00:44just so.
01:00:44It's a generational change.
01:00:47You manage the little ones
01:00:48I saw,
01:00:49I think it was Australia.
01:00:50Australia had a gun law license
01:00:52like US
01:00:53and they had
01:00:54a lot of mass shootings
01:00:55and one day the Prime Minister
01:00:56was New Zealand
01:00:58and they just carried out
01:01:00all the guns
01:01:01and from the development
01:01:03from the little ones
01:01:04come up,
01:01:04look how China is doing,
01:01:05look how Japan
01:01:06is raising the little ones
01:01:07and they're very disciplined.
01:01:09technology will help us
01:01:13because whether you like it
01:01:15or not,
01:01:16no,
01:01:16tell you why
01:01:16and we can't get away from it.
01:01:18You could say
01:01:19where you want now
01:01:20on social media,
01:01:22wherever platform,
01:01:23wherever people just talk,
01:01:24you know,
01:01:24just people,
01:01:25everybody who never used
01:01:26to talk before
01:01:27have a voice on Facebook
01:01:28or on whatever platform
01:01:29and they're speaking out
01:01:30so we hear in
01:01:31long time,
01:01:32people just saying
01:01:34what they used to think
01:01:34long time
01:01:35but they're coming out
01:01:36and saying it now
01:01:36and those are the kind of things
01:01:37that drive change.
01:01:39So when I stand up
01:01:40and say,
01:01:40you know what,
01:01:41from now on,
01:01:41I really don't feel
01:01:42breaking that traffic
01:01:44like at three in the morning
01:01:45if it had nobody,
01:01:48no cars coming
01:01:48and I could proceed
01:01:50and you have people
01:01:53lobbying those things
01:01:54and after a while
01:01:55I see,
01:01:55you see what I said it,
01:01:56yeah,
01:01:56people lobbying
01:01:57that is the part.
01:01:58That's not a problem
01:01:59I find myself doing that
01:02:01if I stop
01:02:02John John
01:02:03by that traffic light
01:02:04down there
01:02:04if you feel like
01:02:05going and wait
01:02:05a whole two minutes
01:02:07for that light to change
01:02:08no I proceed with caution
01:02:09because nobody
01:02:09ran out on me
01:02:10at three o'clock
01:02:11in the morning.
01:02:12But you know,
01:02:13again gents,
01:02:14we could be going down
01:02:15there's a rabbit hole there
01:02:16because all of this
01:02:17leads to what we call
01:02:18consequences
01:02:19and lobbying in Trina
01:02:20is a bit different
01:02:21because of those
01:02:22same set consequences.
01:02:23Who is going to stand up
01:02:25put their hand up
01:02:27and be recognized
01:02:27in that case?
01:02:28Yes,
01:02:28you have some people
01:02:29who take to social media
01:02:31say a couple things
01:02:32whether it be out of emotion
01:02:33something that they have
01:02:33experienced
01:02:34at that particular point
01:02:35and they rant
01:02:36and they vent
01:02:36and they might then decide
01:02:38okay I could develop
01:02:39a podcast as well
01:02:40but at the same time
01:02:43there are consequences
01:02:44by calling out a name
01:02:46there are consequences
01:02:47by going after
01:02:48a particular situation
01:02:50because you
01:02:50your job may be affected
01:02:52family life may be affected
01:02:54the things that
01:02:55as we spoke about reward
01:02:56and reward
01:02:57and fear
01:02:58and all these other things
01:02:58that can affect
01:02:59whether or not
01:03:00you want to come together
01:03:01and make a change
01:03:03because you can't tell me
01:03:04that people in Trinidad
01:03:05right now
01:03:05and Tobago
01:03:06are happy
01:03:07with what is going on
01:03:10in Trinidad and Tobago
01:03:11and I'm not blaming anybody
01:03:13I'm not blaming management
01:03:14I'm not saying
01:03:14is this one fault
01:03:15or that one fault
01:03:16it is what it is
01:03:17it is where we are
01:03:19and I'm saying that
01:03:21where is that passion
01:03:25like with the KFC ketchup
01:03:27right
01:03:28when everybody was up in arms
01:03:30about those things
01:03:31where is that passion
01:03:32and compassion
01:03:33to make a real change
01:03:35and let all parties
01:03:36look in the mirror
01:03:37actually look in the mirror
01:03:39at yourself as well
01:03:40and say I want to make a change
01:03:42to bring back this country
01:03:43I'll give you one quick example
01:03:44I know we ran out of time
01:03:46well we're way past time
01:03:48but when I was returning
01:03:50just before New Year's actually
01:03:52and a guy sat next to me
01:03:54and said
01:03:55oh you're from Trinidad
01:03:56and all that
01:03:56and I said yes
01:03:58I'm from Trinidad and Tobago
01:03:59made sure to let him know
01:04:00it was Trinidad and Tobago
01:04:01and he said
01:04:02wow
01:04:03and it's the first time I heard it
01:04:05people normally go back
01:04:06come and ask the question
01:04:07what's it like in Trinidad
01:04:08and Tobago
01:04:09he asked me
01:04:10how do you cope
01:04:11with the violence
01:04:12in Trinidad and Tobago
01:04:13and you're going back
01:04:14to an SOE
01:04:15when I left
01:04:16it wasn't a state of emergency
01:04:17I returned to an SOE
01:04:19and
01:04:20it made me feel
01:04:22at that point
01:04:24when he asked the question
01:04:25I said wow
01:04:26through his eyes
01:04:27this guy is probably thinking
01:04:28I'm returning to
01:04:29a war zone
01:04:32like a war zone
01:04:33you know
01:04:34a war torn nation
01:04:35like how we may be
01:04:36looking at people
01:04:36going to certain areas
01:04:38of Afghanistan
01:04:39well probably
01:04:40we have to trade
01:04:41like that
01:04:41so I'm there now
01:04:44trying in my mind
01:04:45saying listen
01:04:45you're not going to
01:04:46walk away from me now
01:04:48at that point
01:04:48I pulled off my ear
01:04:49but I know
01:04:50you're not going to
01:04:50walk away from me now
01:04:51thinking that my country
01:04:53is a war torn zone
01:04:54you know
01:04:55so I then started
01:04:55to tell him
01:04:56I said buddy
01:04:56I going back to
01:04:57you know
01:04:58to have a drink
01:04:59Trinidad is not
01:05:00the place
01:05:01that's being depicted
01:05:02in said media
01:05:03there are issues
01:05:05it's a group of
01:05:06persons etc
01:05:07that are causing
01:05:08this
01:05:08but at the same time
01:05:10the majority
01:05:11of Trinidad and
01:05:12Tobago
01:05:12accepting it
01:05:13remember you say
01:05:14what you're not
01:05:15changing
01:05:15you're choosing
01:05:16is resulting in
01:05:18where we are
01:05:21at this moment
01:05:22but again
01:05:22that's a whole
01:05:23that's a whole
01:05:25other manhood
01:05:25I still want to
01:05:26find out your thoughts
01:05:27on state of emergency
01:05:28because
01:05:28the state of emergency
01:05:34have a purpose
01:05:34right
01:05:35and it gives
01:05:36the police
01:05:37some additional
01:05:37powers
01:05:38to operate
01:05:40but if you want
01:05:41to use the word
01:05:41a little more
01:05:42freely
01:05:42in that sense
01:05:43of course
01:05:44by law
01:05:45so it's
01:05:46function
01:05:48will cause results
01:05:50as you're seeing
01:05:51right
01:05:51are we seeing that
01:05:54yeah because
01:05:55you know
01:05:57let me ask you
01:05:57a question
01:05:58what was the
01:05:58moderate last year
01:05:59around the same
01:06:00time
01:06:00I don't know
01:06:02I can tell you
01:06:02what it ended
01:06:03at
01:06:03I can't tell
01:06:03what started
01:06:04but
01:06:04it's a drastic
01:06:06difference
01:06:07I think it was
01:06:07about six or
01:06:07something
01:06:08that was more
01:06:09than that
01:06:09for the
01:06:10corresponding
01:06:10period last
01:06:11year
01:06:11so the
01:06:13effects will
01:06:14work but
01:06:15our main
01:06:16issue
01:06:16is that
01:06:17the SO
01:06:18there's a time
01:06:19period
01:06:19the maximum
01:06:20the SO
01:06:21you could go
01:06:21to is six
01:06:22months
01:06:22maximum
01:06:23other than that
01:06:24it cannot go
01:06:25beyond that
01:06:25so we have
01:06:26to be
01:06:26just thinking
01:06:28about okay
01:06:28then what is
01:06:30going to happen
01:06:30next
01:06:31because I don't
01:06:32know if you
01:06:32could recall
01:06:32in 2021
01:06:33after the
01:06:34pandemic
01:06:35state emergency
01:06:36was over
01:06:36in November
01:06:38of 2021
01:06:39that month
01:06:41was one of
01:06:41the bloodiest
01:06:42months we had
01:06:43as soon as
01:06:44they say
01:06:44SOE over
01:06:44as soon as
01:06:45the primary
01:06:46says as
01:06:46of midnight
01:06:46tonight
01:06:47is it
01:06:47November
01:06:48was explosive
01:06:50it's like
01:06:50people were
01:06:51just waiting
01:06:51control
01:06:52so we
01:06:53observe
01:06:54now that
01:06:55okay
01:06:55yes okay
01:06:56we have
01:06:56it's a
01:06:57suppressive
01:06:57technique
01:06:58but
01:06:59what is
01:07:01going to
01:07:01happen
01:07:01we can
01:07:02only tell
01:07:02after the
01:07:04SOE
01:07:04it's
01:07:04unsustainable
01:07:05it can't be
01:07:06sustained because
01:07:07there's a time
01:07:07period
01:07:07that measure
01:07:11of control
01:07:11it's like
01:07:12taxing a
01:07:13nation
01:07:13it's not
01:07:14sustainable
01:07:14so
01:07:15for its
01:07:19purpose
01:07:19it's going
01:07:20okay
01:07:20it's working
01:07:21but
01:07:22our concern
01:07:23will be
01:07:24of course
01:07:24afterwards
01:07:25let's see
01:07:25closing thoughts
01:07:28why would
01:07:30a man
01:07:31commit a
01:07:31crime
01:07:31in general
01:07:32you're
01:07:33closing thoughts
01:07:33on this
01:07:34discussion
01:07:34here today
01:07:35speak to
01:07:36the nation
01:07:37I'll say
01:07:38that you're
01:07:38not trying
01:07:38to be
01:07:39there are
01:07:41several
01:07:41reasons
01:07:41there isn't
01:07:42any one
01:07:43specific
01:07:44reason
01:07:44so there's
01:07:44a number
01:07:45of factors
01:07:45and I
01:07:47believe
01:07:47it deals
01:07:48with
01:07:48I honestly
01:07:50believe
01:07:50in environment
01:07:51so
01:07:52whatever
01:07:53environment
01:07:54is
01:07:54is what
01:07:54will come
01:07:55out of
01:07:55that environment
01:07:56so
01:07:57if you're
01:07:58in an
01:07:58environment
01:07:59of
01:07:59X Y
01:08:00and Z
01:08:01then this
01:08:01could be
01:08:01the end
01:08:02result
01:08:02and sometimes
01:08:03when you
01:08:04change
01:08:04the environment
01:08:04it changes
01:08:05your whole
01:08:05mindset
01:08:05so
01:08:06I just
01:08:07want to
01:08:07say that
01:08:08there are
01:08:10many reasons
01:08:10why persons
01:08:11commit offences
01:08:11but there
01:08:13are also
01:08:13the cases
01:08:13where
01:08:14persons
01:08:14are challenging
01:08:15the status
01:08:15school
01:08:16because what
01:08:16was offence
01:08:17years ago
01:08:18now is not
01:08:19offence
01:08:19in some
01:08:20cases
01:08:20in some
01:08:20jurisdiction
01:08:21so that's
01:08:22basically
01:08:22my take
01:08:23in closing
01:08:24but as it
01:08:25stands now
01:08:26in the interim
01:08:26we're asking
01:08:27persons that
01:08:28in the existing
01:08:28laws
01:08:29to obey the
01:08:30laws
01:08:30because our
01:08:31function as
01:08:32police officers
01:08:32is to
01:08:33uphold the
01:08:33law
01:08:33so obey
01:08:34the laws
01:08:35as it
01:08:35stands now
01:08:36until
01:08:37why would
01:08:42a man
01:08:42commit a
01:08:43crime
01:08:43because
01:08:44it's
01:08:44what he
01:08:45sees
01:08:45because
01:08:46it's
01:08:46of some
01:08:47value
01:08:47to him
01:08:48because
01:08:49he wants
01:08:49to protect
01:08:50himself or
01:08:51get the
01:08:52basic
01:08:52food
01:08:53clothing
01:08:54shelter
01:08:54sometimes
01:08:56it's because
01:08:57we talk
01:08:58about the
01:08:58Robin Hood
01:08:58concept
01:08:59I see
01:09:00these people
01:09:01taking so
01:09:01much
01:09:02so why
01:09:02not
01:09:03and then
01:09:03the next
01:09:03one I
01:09:04would say
01:09:04why would
01:09:04a man
01:09:04commit a
01:09:05crime
01:09:05is because
01:09:06it doesn't
01:09:07really have
01:09:07enough
01:09:07consequences
01:09:08for him
01:09:09so if
01:09:09I have no
01:09:10consequences
01:09:10I will do
01:09:11it
01:09:11now my
01:09:12caveat is
01:09:13he shouldn't
01:09:13commit crime
01:09:14because it's
01:09:15against the
01:09:15law
01:09:15but we're
01:09:16asking why
01:09:17and those
01:09:17are my
01:09:18reasons
01:09:18all what
01:09:21Johan
01:09:21suggested
01:09:21I can't
01:09:24add to
01:09:24that
01:09:24I take
01:09:27your position
01:09:27on that
01:09:28it's really
01:09:28being said
01:09:29and ventilated
01:09:30in a
01:09:32general sense
01:09:33on today's
01:09:34episode
01:09:34and there's
01:09:36so many
01:09:36areas that
01:09:36we could
01:09:37definitely
01:09:37delve deeper
01:09:38some areas
01:09:39are rabbit hole
01:09:39for sure
01:09:40because why
01:09:41why would
01:09:41a man
01:09:42commit a
01:09:42crime
01:09:42there's so
01:09:43many
01:09:43reasons
01:09:44but is
01:09:46crime
01:09:46you know
01:09:47crime
01:09:47isn't
01:09:48correct
01:09:48crime is
01:09:51a cause
01:09:51but it's
01:09:52not correct
01:09:53and there
01:09:53are actions
01:09:54there are
01:09:55consequences
01:09:55for your
01:09:57action
01:09:58and I
01:10:00would say
01:10:00you know
01:10:02but is
01:10:03it a
01:10:03necessary
01:10:03evil
01:10:04I would
01:10:05say that
01:10:05history has
01:10:06shown that
01:10:06as a result
01:10:07of people
01:10:08doing what
01:10:09would be
01:10:09considered
01:10:09crime then
01:10:10not now
01:10:11there was
01:10:12change
01:10:12and change
01:10:13is necessary
01:10:14Peter Drucker
01:10:16I believe
01:10:17said it
01:10:17you know
01:10:17the only
01:10:17constant
01:10:18in life
01:10:18is change
01:10:19and the
01:10:20only constant
01:10:20in your
01:10:21environment
01:10:21is change
01:10:22and so
01:10:22but there
01:10:24are consequences
01:10:25whether the
01:10:26right controls
01:10:26and managements
01:10:27need to be put
01:10:28in place
01:10:28that's
01:10:29certainly
01:10:29something that
01:10:32needs to be
01:10:33looked at
01:10:33but something
01:10:35needs to
01:10:36change
01:10:37we can't
01:10:38continuously
01:10:39go through
01:10:40this period
01:10:41and I would
01:10:42say to
01:10:42take your
01:10:44words
01:10:44Wayne
01:10:45let's start
01:10:46with the
01:10:47man in the
01:10:47mirror
01:10:47what change
01:10:48can we
01:10:49make
01:10:49and again
01:10:50if we're not
01:10:50changing it
01:10:51we're choosing
01:10:51it
01:10:52so thank you
01:10:54Johanse
01:10:54Wayne
01:10:55Les
01:10:56for joining
01:10:57us here
01:10:57today on
01:10:58this episode
01:10:58of Manhood
01:10:59what makes
01:11:00a man
01:11:00commit a
01:11:01crime
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