Killers Caught On Camera S02E06
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00:00this time on killers caught on camera in the US South Carolina an elderly woman goes silent for
00:13a week and is reported missing there's just no sign that anything bad happened it was as
00:20if she just vanished a man who goes into a store just to buy yogurt comes under suspicion
00:26and miles away in the state capital the University of South Carolina student disappears
00:35but a patrol officer gets a lucky break
00:40we know what happened because the video tells us what happened
00:52traveler's rest South Carolina a small city in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains
01:16in Greenville County home to 80 year old Edna settles when you talk about Edna settles you
01:27need to think of somebody who lived life to the fullest I mean 80 years old and she's out still
01:33coming and going she's still going out with her friends spending time with family just so full of
01:39life Edna was a formidable pioneer in her youth becoming South Carolina's first female bail bondsman
01:47she looked after other elderly people in the community
01:54Friday August 28th 2021 911 dispatchers received a worrying call
02:05the deputy shows up at her house because that's the last known location of where she should be
02:30she knocks on the door no answer the door secure the windows are locked there's just no sign that
02:37anything bad happened it was as if she just vanished
02:42seven whole days went by and Edna settles was still missing
02:51then a breakthrough her jeep located at a hotel
02:58it was removed and detectives checked the vehicle for forensic evidence
03:05Greg Walter was an investigator for the Greenville County Sheriff's Office
03:10the police pulled all the surveillance footage from the day before Edna settles went missing
03:18Friday August 27th 2021 Edna was filmed leaving her home in the morning in her gold Jeep Grand Cherokee
03:28this footage is from the business right outside Edna's house at approximately zero nine thirty in the morning and you can see Edna settles departing her house
03:41her Jeep was next picked up pulling into the food line parking lot Edna had arrived she's sitting at the
03:52front of the store in the parking lot an unknown man walked up to and passed the car from the looks of the camera you see him look at her vehicle and his body language mannerisms indicate that
04:09they knew one another they kind of waved at her
04:15you see him walk back to his car he gets a small bag out of his trunk
04:20and walks over to Edna's car who's parked right nearby
04:24and he hops in with her like they were friends and she was expecting to pick him up
04:31Edna and the mystery man drove off together
04:34Edna got home and made a phone call at around 10 15 in the morning
04:46nearly four hours later Edna's Jeep was seen again this time leaving the house
04:52at 13 43 in the afternoon as the vehicle transitions from the driveway onto the main roadway
05:00it's not a smooth transition instead it's a bit abrupt and jerky
05:06compared to somebody who would be familiar with transitioning into that roadway
05:11this made us think that whoever's driving is not Edna
05:15just before two o'clock
05:23Edna's car returned to the food line parking lot
05:27but this time the unidentified man was driving
05:32he parks at the very back edge of the parking lot
05:37he gets out and he walks back to the front where his car's parked
05:41he gets into his car and drives it so it's alongside the jeep grand cherokee
05:48he's definitely about to load something in to the front car and right there you see that blonde head
05:57being loaded into the front passenger seat and then after she's seated into the passenger seat
06:04he leans in as if he's buckling her in to the untrained eye it's hard to see but frame by frame
06:14police deduced the blonde head belonged to Edna Suttles what's key from this angle is you see directly
06:23inside of the passenger compartment of the sedan you see no movement coming from that passenger compartment
06:33which implies to us that Edna Suttles is at the very least incapacitated
06:41he then shuts the doors and he hops back into the jeep grand cherokee
06:48four minutes later he pulled up in the hotel parking lot
06:54then you see this individual wipe the vehicle down front to back you see him walking around the car
07:01wiping door handles wiping down the sides
07:06this behavior is absolutely suspicious
07:11at around two o'clock the man walked back to his car and drove off with Edna slumped in the passenger seat
07:18we didn't know if she was with him willingly if she had been kidnapped or if she was dead at this point
07:29people over 60 don't go missing very often and people over 80 certainly don't go missing very often
07:37especially if they don't have dementia and when we're talking about abductions in places like the united
07:42kingdom in the u.s over the age of 80 is so rare that those statistics aren't even published and so
07:47when you get this footage that starts putting these two people together that must have been an absolute
07:53breakthrough that they would just never have had if they hadn't had that footage they wouldn't even
07:59have considered that she might have been taken the police needed to identify the man seen with Edna
08:08footage from inside the store captured five hours earlier provided the breakthrough
08:22around 9 30 that morning he's walking into the store and that gives us a very
08:28good shot of what he looks like and what he's wearing
08:32this footage is absolutely critical because now we have a face and an image of who this guy is and he
08:45has a lot of distinguishing features he's taller older and he has a very distinguishable birthmark
08:55on the left side of his face he goes into the store he makes a purchase of war yogurts
09:06we see him paying with cash the cashier asked the customer do you want to use your card for the
09:12discount and just a typical reaction obliged him
09:17the loyalty card helped police identify the man
09:24as 59 year old daniel prince delving into his records revealed a disturbing past
09:35we found out that he had actually been arrested in 1996 in michigan for a prior kidnapping charge
09:42daniel prince had served 13 years in prison for kidnapping he also had prior convictions
09:51firearm possession and assault and battery but the police had no evidence to charge daniel with the
09:57kidnapping of edna settles they had to bring him in on another charge as far as we were aware and
10:06what her family was aware of he didn't have permission to take and drive her vehicle even though it was a
10:13short distance we actually signed an arrest warrant for a grand marceny of her vehicle which is just a
10:21misdemeanor but nonetheless it's an arrest warrant and gives us an opportunity to detain and talk with
10:27him six days later police moved in to arrest daniel prince at his home in bostick north carolina
10:42totally cooperating just relax
10:44he was uh very nonchalant about the entire arrest process
11:06yes sir do you mind if i take your head off for just a second please see what you need
11:09all right there you go sir i will be very cooperative let's try that out please
11:15when you see somebody acting almost too calm compared to how you or i would react
11:23thank you it definitely raises flags that he was in part expecting it this is like a
11:30hollywood tv big time takedown or something
11:33the team on the ground began to search the property
11:41hey great pleasure greg walter conducted the first interview with daniel prince
11:48he was very uh arrogant and very callous about this entire interview
11:53how am i here sir i'll talk to you about august 27th 2021 of this year what day of the week was that
12:00oh it was a friday okay at this point in the interview he was unaware about the surveillance footage
12:09he didn't know how much information we had acquired and what the true scope of the investigation was
12:16it was
12:18daniel revealed that he was a handyman and edna had asked him to do some jobs at her house
12:25what kind of job were you working on i've been down to her house two or three times we kind of got to be friends
12:30and the thing is she's so sweet and so nice and you want to help her
12:36and she says you know if i get work for her i'll probably get other work
12:40interviewing daniel prince was like playing a game you knew that this guy did something with edna
12:48but for one reason or another he wasn't revealing what he had done or where she was
12:54greg decided to confront daniel with the surveillance footage
12:59all right so what are you telling us is that's not you on the 27th food line parking lot travelers rest
13:10i don't think so that's not you that's me where is that food line august 27th 2021 9 23
13:24okay 22 seconds bring a bell yeah yeah i went down to food line yeah yeah so what were you doing down
13:31there that day um she wanted me to look at some stuff in her house okay and she picked me up
13:40i directly confronted him and told him that you know where edna settles is because i want to see
13:46how he would respond both physically and verbally where's that now her family is desperately looking
13:56for her she's missing right now yes dan where is it i don't have a clue i dropped her off at her house
14:03dan please listen you did not drop her off at her house we have followed that car the entire day
14:12which car mine or hers dan stop playing games
14:16i would compare his mannerisms to a snake oil salesman he had an answer or an excuse for
14:26everything you think that i have this lady okay i'm gonna say this okay you like me if i'm wrong
14:38you think i imagine the way you're saying this you think she's probably not alive
14:43we don't know you don't know man daniel prince wasn't helping the police and they still had no idea
14:51where edna settles was
14:52whatever daniel prince knew about edna he wasn't saying anything
15:03i'm sorry you're good man i wish i could help you more
15:08the police were left empty-handed they needed more evidence to link him to edna and continue to
15:18search prince's home by chance a huge breakthrough
15:28not only did they find an entire cache of firearms and ammunition but they also found a number of
15:34documents with nancy rago's name on her
15:40nancy rago's not his wife why does he have all of her documents
15:50the police were starting to wonder if they had a second victim
15:55there's a lot of alarm bells and flags that are going off now we have to figure out who nancy rago is
16:01and is she missing police contacted nancy rago's family they discovered nancy hadn't been seen since
16:11her mother dolores sellers died in 2017 with more than one potential victim daniel prince was arrested
16:20and taken back to a holding cell the case was upgraded the fbi were called in to investigate whether
16:28daniel prince was a serial killer hey sir how are you good hey how are you i'm good uh thank you
16:36very much fbi yes okay because of his personality they thought he might respond well to somebody from
16:44the fbi what we were going after was to build a relationship with him where we could come back
16:49and talk to him again and again if needed how i'm here today is just trying to sort things out
16:54i'll sort things out okay right uh and i want to make sure things are kind of everything's looked
16:58at that needs to be looked at so uh you're probably one of the better people that can help me
17:03figure out what those things are okay so that's kind of why i'm here
17:08watching the interview in real time was fbi special agent aaron carlisle
17:14i had the job of looking at mr prince and analyzing him to pick up on all those little
17:21clues to feed that information to agent newsome it was abundantly clear from the first interview
17:26that we shouldn't bruise his ego give him some deference uh because that's what his personality
17:32needs and wanted so i'm just gonna let you you are a very intelligent man i don't know why you say
17:40that if i'm sitting here well actually some of the smartest people on that the war is out across
17:45from me so yeah i don't take anything for granted well i'm going to tell you when all this comes down
17:51to it i'd be much more interested in talking to the fbi and state agencies one of the first things the
17:58fbi agent does is he says you're very intelligent which to me i register as a really obvious
18:06manipulation tactic to get him to soften up but we know from research that the people who are being
18:12flattered in those situations don't read it like that and it usually works so when someone is tapping
18:18into something that we do take pride in ourselves and they're flattering us we are more likely to
18:22build rapport and we are more likely to trust that person tell them things that i could ask the
18:29questions in a way that made him feel like he was helping us that we were a team or a partnership
18:34that he responded well to that you know i honestly feel you guys are just trying to find edna
18:40i 100 i want to find it like that's in it's really that's our goal that we care about really right
18:46now i do too all right let me ask you this if you were doing my job and i ask this all the time to
18:51people okay if you were doing my job what would you do to find it like you know her better than we
18:56will ever know her what would you do to find it i honestly couldn't answer that for you doing your job
19:02any more than you can do in your job because i don't have a clue what happened i knew that i
19:08couldn't interview him again for his third interview until i had some new information
19:12because during our interview he made it very clear that once he had spoken or talked about something
19:16he didn't want to talk about it anymore
19:18the new information came in the form of a significant discovery back at prince's property
19:2828 different electronic devices were recovered why do we have almost 30 devices what's on those devices
19:38so we're going to start picking through each of those one by one
19:41it was detailed digital forensics and the evidence they recovered was chilling
19:50we discover a couple of the devices belong to nancy rego
19:56we find one that belongs to dolores who is nancy's mother
20:02why does he have nancy's mother's telephone
20:04in addition to nancy and dolores one of the devices revealed a new name lee goodman there was a
20:14particular message that reached out to the individual and said hey mom we're worried about
20:19you and that happened to be lee goodman's daughter and she let us know that they had not seen her
20:25mother in a significant amount of time the fbi were now looking at four possible victims edna
20:32subtles nancy rego dolores sellers and lee goodman there's a category of offender who are known as
20:42extreme career criminals and what that means is that someone is basically integrating into their life
20:50the various serious crimes that they're committing normally kidnapping which already is very rare
20:56is a one-off event it's very targeted it's a specific kind of person when you've got
21:00multiple people being abducted by the same person you're already in exceptional circumstance
21:04if you've got multiple murders you've got a serial killer all of this is highly unusual
21:10then at prince's property another breakthrough a beekeeping box with vital evidence relating to edna
21:17subtles inside that b box were found edna subtles belongings to include her keys her purse
21:25other things that she would have had with her on the day that she went missing beside that b box also were
21:30found her shoes a shovel binding equipment a pickaxe things that a lot of us would assume belong to
21:39someone who has disposed of a body alongside a used yogurt container the same brand as the ones prince picked up
21:50the day edna went missing traces were found of drugs lorazepam tramadol and cyclobenzaprine
22:00the drugs make you sleepy dizzy and relaxed
22:06it was time to confront daniel prince about all four women
22:09if you tell him to turn that off i'll talk to you a little more freely
22:17it was a real definitive moment in the interview he knew he knew about the victims he knew we had
22:21found the subtle's belongings and how bad that looked although the camera was turned off the decision
22:29was taken to keep the audio running i would have a very frank conversation with you
22:36if you are comfortable talking i'm incredibly comfortable talking to you okay and i feel like
22:43i can talk to you one guy to another i would prefer not to have the death penalty on the table
22:51i think that that would be warranted for this degree of contrition and help and i'm willing to
22:57help you with this stuff because i really truly it's eaten away at me man i want it off my conscience
23:03it was a pretty powerful time he basically stated that he had multiple victims that he would tell us
23:12about what is the number that i need to go back and just say there's a number of human beings
23:19okay one two three four i know that sounds like there's a lot of bodies here
23:27daniel prince was a serial killer and he doesn't match what we normally think of when we think of
23:35serial killers because it was almost a sort of slow burn where he would trap his victims he would
23:40have this emotional connection with the victims and then he would kill them and exactly at what point
23:46we don't really understand possibly when it no longer was as fun as it used to be possibly when he
23:52had all of the account information that he needed or money that he'd sort of taken from them you have
23:57this relationship you exploit it and then you murder the person and that is definitely a type
24:01of serial killer but not one that we see very often we were able to get him to name um how many
24:08bodies there were and a little bit of the information around each person's disappearance
24:13but daniel still hadn't told them where edna subtle's body was can you just help me get that
24:22closure for in this family what do you at least know a good location i could give you within three feet
24:29we actually had to pull him out of jail transport him up to the property and walk him out into the woods
24:36and have him point exactly where he claimed to have buried her
24:48edna's remains were finally recovered in may 2022. their loved one was deceased but we were able to
24:55recover them they could have a funeral they were able to have all the things that a lot of people
24:59want for the closure after the death of somebody they love
25:01daniel prince could have received the death penalty but his cooperation on all four known victims
25:11resulted in a plea deal
25:15he pleaded guilty to the charge of kidnapping resulting in death daniel prince will spend
25:21the rest of his life in a federal prison
25:24surveillance footage was key to this investigation without the crystal clear picture of daniel prince's
25:33face walking into that grocery store and then also checking out with the yogurt that he was purchasing
25:40that day i think it would have been a much more challenging investigation the footage also linked daniel
25:47prince to a critical piece of evidence
25:49we believe that daniel prince did utilize the yogurt that he purchased at the grocery store that morning
25:57to potentially take some of the medications that were nancy rego's initially crush them up
26:04and put it in the yogurt which he then served to edna subtle's and unfortunately led to edna subtle's death
26:13police believe that edna was drugged and then suffocated with a plastic bag
26:17her body was then buried on prince's property but the question still remains why did he do it
26:28he was able to manipulate these women into allowing him into their lives to a point where he had access
26:36to their finances he had gotten himself placed on their wills in fact that's how we were able to
26:43identify a potential living victim who we think would have been his next target
26:50you have the romantic piece the sexual component of it they believed they were in a relationship with him
26:57was it a power trip i don't know he's living a double life the whole time he's married to someone
27:04but yet in these other relationships he has control over these women
27:09they are trusting of him they give him everything they give him access to everything why does he do
27:15it and then why does he kill them in the end those are questions i don't think we can answer
27:22are we done with daniel prince i don't think so no one can say for certain that we have found all of
27:29his victims unless we presented the evidence to him he was not volunteering anything to us
27:35us so his secrets are his secrets to finally be able to tell edna subtle's family we found your loved
27:43one it's emotional for all it's emotional for us as law enforcement to be able to watch a family get that
27:52closure
28:02daniel prince was a repeat offender
28:06a serial killer who avoided capture for years we may never know the full extent of his crimes
28:13while having a history of violent crimes is a risk factor for perpetrating more violent crimes the
28:22same isn't true the other way around so just because you don't have a history of violence it
28:26doesn't mean you're not capable of murder and so murder because it's such an unusual thing to do that
28:31people often do quite opportunistically almost impulsively you don't need this whole backstory you
28:36don't need to escalate to murder necessarily in our next case a more random opportunistic attacker who
28:45preyed upon an unsuspecting and unknown victim in the heart of south carolina the state capital columbia
29:00home to the university of south carolina and a large population of college students
29:07including 21 year old samantha josephson
29:12samantha was a warm loving genuine person she was the kind of person who was always there for
29:20her friends willing to do anything if they needed it just the kind of person that you wanted your
29:26friends and family to be around samantha grew up in robbinsville new jersey she was one of two children
29:36she'd studied in barcelona spain and traveled around europe before coming home to study political
29:44science samantha had her whole life in front of her she had planned to go on to study law
29:50after she graduated so she had a real sense of going somewhere
29:56like any other university city columbia has a well-known part of town with a buzzing nightlife
30:04five points is an area in columbia where college students like to go and let off some steam go to
30:09some bars have drinks party dance things of that nature on the evening of march 29 2019 samantha and a
30:19group of friends went to the bird dog bar you can see samantha josephson here walking through the bar
30:28she's there with her friends her roommates having a good time talking laughing just kind of enjoying
30:34the night out just before 2 a.m samantha decided to go home so she ordered an uber samantha also had a
30:44job in addition to being a student and she had to work the next day she was never late for work she was
30:50never a no-show she doesn't look unduly stressed or panicked she's calm and waiting there doesn't
30:57seem to be any indication that anything suspicious risky or threatening is going on
31:06at 12 minutes past two samantha got into a car and it drove off
31:12but later that night when her friends arrived home samantha was nowhere to be seen
31:25by lunchtime the next day samantha was still missing her friend called 911
31:34hi we went out in five points last night and our friend is missing
31:39and she still hasn't made it home her phone's dead um we don't think she like went home with like a
31:49guy or anything like we're like actually like worried she missed work this morning all right what is
31:55her name samantha josephson and how old is she 21. she was wearing a bright orange shirt with black pants
32:09uh... as well as informing the police samantha's friends took matters into their own hands
32:18they call the local hospitals uh and are unsuccessful they call the local jails and are unsuccessful they
32:25call friends no one knows anything or seen or heard anything so eventually they get in the car and go
32:32looking for her themselves
32:34samantha's boyfriend greg had been speaking to her on the night she disappeared he tracked her phone
32:42leaving the bar
32:46the last point he saw where her phone was was in this area near the intersection of montgomery and ott so
32:53her roommates drive to that location and literally get out of the car and walk around going door to door
33:00trying to see if anyone has seen her or heard anything unfortunately they came up empty as
33:05there was no sign of her being in that area
33:09samantha's friends and boyfriend turned detective and retraced her last steps
33:16they were able to make contact with one of the managers of the bar in order to try to get a look at
33:22any video that may have existed at the bar they were able to see video of her and them inside the bar that
33:29night as well as her leaving and standing outside on the sidewalk awaiting the uber to come and pick her
33:35up as they continued to watch the video they saw a black sedan four-door car pull up to the curb where samantha's
33:44standing by herself and they see her get in that vehicle and watch the vehicle back up and pull away from the location
33:52her friends told the police about the surveillance footage the windows were tinted on the car so no one
34:02could see who the driver was or anything of that nature additionally the license plate identifying
34:07the car never came into view on the camera so the only information that the police had to go on was that it
34:14was a dark in color four-door sedan that looked like a chevrolet impalo otherwise they had no idea
34:21anything about the identity of the vehicle or the driver samantha's friends could still access
34:28her laptop when they logged into her uber account they discovered the ride she'd ordered had been
34:33cancelled it was clear she was picked up by a complete stranger the individual driving the car was
34:43looking for an opportunity to take advantage of a vulnerable lone individual which feels really really
34:50scary that's when the tenor of things really changed and it began to dawn on everyone that this
34:56quite possibly was an actual kidnapping samantha's parents were notified that she disappeared
35:05dr roberta bab is a clinical psychologist
35:10when a child goes missing for any parents it's their worst nightmare
35:15their world stops there's a real sense of anguish and anxiety their darkest thoughts would be that
35:21their child is no longer alive and they will never see them again and that's their worst fear that they pray
35:28with every bone in their body is not going to happen
35:3114 hours after samantha got in the car a major discovery in the middle of nowhere more than 60 miles away from her home
35:50two hunters who were out there looking for turkeys stumbled across the body of a young female and immediately called the police
35:57she had sustained numerous injuries stab wounds all over her body however there was not any blood on the
36:07ground around her body which seemed to suggest to them that the crime had occurred somewhere else
36:13and that she had been brought and dumped in this location
36:18a medical examination of the body revealed extreme violence
36:23a hundred and twenty stab wounds really signifies the viciousness of the attack it probably speaks
36:30something to the mind of the attacker in that moment because it feels very frenzied it feels very
36:36uncontrolled and it feels very excessive in terms of really wanting to ensure that this person was not
36:41only dead but eliminated or damaged beyond recognition once the dots are connected and it's determined that
36:50that that is in fact samantha the focus shifts back to columbia and the police department there trying
36:56to locate the person responsible as detectives tracked back through the footage they found the car
37:02samantha got into filmed on multiple cameras this car was circling the area almost like a shark looking for
37:10someone looking for something until he found what apparently he was looking for finding the vehicle was critical to the investigation
37:21they put together a bolo or be on the lookout which is a sheet of paper that has
37:26photos of the vehicle that she got into the police also checked samantha's bank records
37:33law enforcement was able to get video from two atm machines showing an individual trying to get cash
37:41this person was wearing similar clothes in both videos they needed to find the man and the car
37:5111 hours after samantha's body was found a patrol officer spotted the type of car they were looking for
37:58he was approximately two blocks away from the bird dog and he happened to pull up right behind
38:03a dark and colored chevy impala inside a male driver and female passenger
38:12get your license on you no no license on you
38:18all right man you got to step on out all right here's the deal man
38:21i pulled your car over to the matches the suspect get your hand in your pocket
38:24what are you crazy get over here hey get over here
38:35i got him i got him fortunately another officer was on the other end of the street
38:59and was able to contain and subdue the driver so that he could be taken into custody in order to
39:06try to identify who he is and what he had been doing in the last 24 hours you got anything else on
39:13you can't run when you smoke can you i knew he was gonna run back at the suspect's car officers also
39:23detained the female passenger hey ma'am you're not in an arrest okay he's gonna be detained because
39:29the vehicle matches a suspect vehicle of a crime that committed earlier okay they checked inside for
39:36any evidence of samantha being in the vehicle i'm finding a girl's cell phone and the girl's keys in
39:42the driver's seat yeah that's a pink iphone pink keys with a usb drive they're just good for students
39:50jesus christ are you serious god damn it they had flashlights looking into the interior of the vehicle
39:58and pretty quickly observed that there was a great deal of blood located in the back seat of the car
40:03it's all over the floorboard if you look the driver was identified by police
40:12his name was nathaniel roland
40:17not much was known about mr roland at the time that this occurred he had been arrested
40:22one time before for trying to sell some stolen items at a pawn shop but otherwise appeared to
40:28come from a good family there was no suggestion that he was capable of anything like this
40:33which room do you want him in nathaniel was taken into custody for questioning
40:41his clothes removed for dna testing
40:47it's time to talk okay you saw all the activity going on around your car okay the blood in your car it's
40:59positive it's positive it's her blood okay so then just because her blood is in my car it means i was
41:04the one that did she bled in the back of your car 21 year old 21 year old girl
41:15you can see you on video picking her up
41:21nathaniel's last known address was close to where samantha's body had been found
41:25victim victim was found deceased in a rural area your neck of the woods where you're from
41:34i didn't commit the crime sorry i did not cannot murder anyone
41:39the police tracked down nathaniel's girlfriend
41:45mr roland had actually been staying at her house on the night that samantha was taken
41:51that went and got in bed at approximately 1 a.m a short time thereafter she describes mr roland
41:59getting out of bed and she fell asleep when she awoke at 6 a.m he wasn't there
42:09a search of nathaniel roland's girlfriend's house uncovered clothing which matched the person covering
42:14their face at the atm nike hoodie with some distinct drawstrings a black jacket a tan shirt black pants
42:26some flip-flops that were red and black when he was pulled over by the police on that night he was
42:32still wearing some of those items as well
42:34when the police searched the trash they also found a two-bladed knife
42:44nathaniel roland was also filmed in a cellular city store just hours after samantha was killed
42:51he's wearing the nike hoodie with the distinctive drawstrings coming down the same drawstrings you can
42:57see on the atm footage the same sweatshirt there's a sense of a lack of empathy a lack of remorse or guilt
43:07a sense of entitlement to do as you please to other people which kind of characterizes the fact that
43:15nathaniel stabbed samantha so many times and then within a short window was casually seen
43:21selling her items for his personal gain he was charged with kidnapping murder and possession of a weapon
43:34you understand you're charged with murder
43:41when the case went to trial the surveillance footage was shown to the jury in court
43:46one of the challenges that we had with prosecuting the case is there was nothing to definitively show
43:55that at the time that samantha josephson was in the car and killed that nathaniel roland was the one
44:01in the vehicle their surveillance footage was able to do that by way of showing everything from the car
44:07itself to mr roland at the atm at a cell phone store all wearing these similar items of clothing that
44:15were later discovered at his girlfriend's house the footage of samantha outside the bird dog bar was
44:23vital it was very possible that mr roland without this video could still be walking the streets after
44:31being presented with seven days of evidence the jury took just 60 minutes to find nathaniel roland
44:38guilty of samantha's murder he was sentenced to life without parole the only way that mr roland will be
44:48leaving the prison will be in a pine box we don't know what took place or what activated nathaniel to act
44:57in such a violently savage way where he stabbed samantha 120 times but that is very much demonstrating a
45:05disregard for life demonstrate his propensity for violence and aggression to a point of wanting to
45:11annihilate an individual and there's a real sense of a lack of remorse or even guilt or shame about what
45:18has been done as horrific as this case is there was some good that came from it
45:26samantha's parents have been fierce advocates for rideshare safety to the point that the united states
45:36government has enacted laws putting certain requirements on rideshare companies when you get
45:42to an uber and you're opening the door you say to the driver what's my name because if they don't know
45:48your name then they're not your uber driver that came directly from samantha's parents and in fact
45:55the name of the organization that they have founded and run is the what's my name foundation
46:25uh
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46:37or
46:38or
46:38or
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