Join Greg Bedard and Nick Cattles as they dive deep into the aftermath of the Patriots' disappointing loss to the Titans. They discuss the implications of the NFL trading deadline, including the potential departure of KJ Osborn and the missed opportunity to trade Tyquan Thornton.
With scrutiny of the coaching decisions made by Jerod Mayo and Alex Van Pelt, they analyze the team's defensive struggles and offensive missteps, particularly regarding quarterback Drake Maye's performance. Tune in as they explore the need for a more dynamic offensive strategy and reflect on standout player performances amidst ongoing frustrations. Don't miss their insights on how the Patriots can turn things around!
0:00 - NFL trading deadline
2:57 - Patriots trade rumors
5:50 - Titans game analysis
7:22 - Titans run gaps
9:12 - Titans' missed opportunities
11:22 - Offensive line decisions
14:43 - Personnel decisions
17:02 - Overtime wind choice
19:17 - Coaching frustrations
21:53 - Run game issues
24:56 - Coaching concerns
27:01 - Groundhog Day analogy
28:49 - Game Time features
30:37 - Drake Maye's stats
34:06 - Drake Maye's progress
36:19 - Drake's late throws
38:49 - Drake's game-winning play
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With scrutiny of the coaching decisions made by Jerod Mayo and Alex Van Pelt, they analyze the team's defensive struggles and offensive missteps, particularly regarding quarterback Drake Maye's performance. Tune in as they explore the need for a more dynamic offensive strategy and reflect on standout player performances amidst ongoing frustrations. Don't miss their insights on how the Patriots can turn things around!
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2:57 - Patriots trade rumors
5:50 - Titans game analysis
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9:12 - Titans' missed opportunities
11:22 - Offensive line decisions
14:43 - Personnel decisions
17:02 - Overtime wind choice
19:17 - Coaching frustrations
21:53 - Run game issues
24:56 - Coaching concerns
27:01 - Groundhog Day analogy
28:49 - Game Time features
30:37 - Drake Maye's stats
34:06 - Drake Maye's progress
36:19 - Drake's late throws
38:49 - Drake's game-winning play
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00:00This is the Gregg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick Cavins.
00:10It's the day that we have all been waiting for in this country.
00:13We've been waiting months and months for this day to hit.
00:17And of course, I'm talking about the NFL trading deadline.
00:21That's right.
00:22We'll get to that along with the Patriots stuff as well from that Titans game.
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00:45I will have one eye devoted to Twitter because we are recording this on Tuesday afternoon
00:52just before 1230 before Gregg gets to go have some fun for a couple of hours with
00:57Felger and Maz.
00:58So if something breaks, I'll be all over it, but let's start here, Gregg.
01:03Jordan Schultz is reporting that teams are interested in KJ Osborne, multiple teams.
01:10Your guy, Mike Giardi with Boston Sports Journal says that the LA Chargers is one of those
01:16teams.
01:17Could you see a move happen?
01:18What should we expect with Osborne as far as a return?
01:21Do you think he's gone and what could they get back?
01:23Yeah, I think he's gone.
01:26If I had to wager on the Patriot, most likely to be on the way out, it would be KJ Osborne
01:32and not much, somewhere around a sixth or seventh.
01:39Maybe they can get a conditional, but I think at this point, they're just ready to give
01:44him away and move on and go on with the youth movement.
01:47A trade that was made earlier today had to do with Dallas.
01:51They dealt a fourth round pick to Carolina for Jonathan Mingo and a seventh round pick.
01:56Now, a couple of interesting things I want to get to about this trade, but first and
01:59foremost, I saw you tweet this today, you know, Mike Lombardi had mentioned the Cowboys
02:04and Tyquan Thornton.
02:06So did the Patriots just lose out on an opportunity to deal Thornton out of town?
02:11Well, I mean, it depends on how you view it.
02:15I mean, I still think internally, I still think they feel that Tyquan has some value
02:24and some upside.
02:25And you know, obviously they made him a second round pick just, you know, two years ago.
02:31And some of the people that made that selection or were involved in it, like Ellie Wolfe and
02:35Matt Groh and Cam Williams, they're all still there.
02:40And you don't really, you know, give up on a guy.
02:46What year is he in?
02:47Is it three or two?
02:48I think it's two.
02:50Or is it three?
02:51I'll look it up.
02:52Yeah.
02:53I don't know.
02:54But anyway, I think that's the situation.
02:56So you said the compensation was a fourth?
03:00Yes.
03:02Yeah, that's, that's interesting.
03:08You would think that I think it just came down to the Patriots probably drove a harder
03:14bargain that they, they wanted a higher pick for a second round pick.
03:20And yeah, that's probably the way it came out.
03:23By the way, Mingo was the 39th pick in the 2023 draft.
03:27So this is year two for him with the Panthers.
03:30And let's not forget, you could look at that and say, man, is that a massive overpay for
03:34a guy who hasn't done much in his career?
03:36He had a brutal, if you look at analytics, he had a brutal rookie season a year ago,
03:42but he was playing with Bryce Young.
03:45That entire operation in Carolina was brutal.
03:48And let's not forget, he's only in his second year.
03:51So contract matters.
03:52If you're trying to deal a guy who's a rental versus a guy who still has contract term that
03:57changes some things.
03:59Now the Patriots did make a move, Greg, today, according to Mike Reese, they have signed
04:04practice squad player, offensive lineman Tyrese Robinson, and he's a, he's a right
04:10guard.
04:11He's played some right guard.
04:12He's played some right tackle.
04:13He's been on practice squads the last couple of years.
04:15I bring that up not to break down Tyrese Robinson, but I bring it up because the Patriots signed
04:21somebody off the practice squad, which means somebody on their 53 has to go.
04:26Somebody that's on the roster right now has to go, which makes me wonder, do they already
04:30have a trade in the pipeline?
04:32And that's how they open up the spot for Tyrese Robinson.
04:35Probably.
04:36I, I would assume that, um, that they, I'm sorry, I'm just looking at the depth.
04:41I just want to call up the depth chart just to see like, so, um, well, I mean, you have
04:45got, well, they got lit look like Tish's Smith, uh, off a green base practice squad, um, trying
04:55to see who else, who would be, yeah, I, I would.
05:00It's going to be something along the lines of they, they, they know they're dealing somebody
05:05at some point.
05:06And so, um, that's the way it'll go down.
05:09If they don't deal Osborne, if they don't deal Thornton, do they release one of those
05:13guys that just cut their losses?
05:15Uh, yeah.
05:17And it would probably be K KJ Osborne.
05:19I think that, um, yeah, it just hasn't worked out.
05:23Um, you know, there, there's a lot of reasons for that and there's a lot of reasons for,
05:29you know, I see a lot of chatter on Twitter about look where Jalen Polk ranks in terms
05:33of this and that, and like, we'll get into it more when we talk about the state of this
05:39offense and Alex van Pelt, um, you know, but yeah, I, I have a feeling that they, that
05:45they would just move on from KJ Osborne.
05:47All right, let's get into the Titans game and let's start with the Patriots defense
05:51against that Titans offense.
05:53Then we'll move to Alex van Pelt and Drake may and the Pats offense.
05:57Uh, but the defense, what did you see on, on Sunday?
06:01Was it a step back for DeMarcus Covington and company?
06:04Um, yeah, I, yes, but I want, I want to start with this and we might as well group in the
06:12offense, um, into this cause it's, it's all related.
06:16Um, you know, my big takeaway from this game was if Gerard Mayo or whoever decides to move
06:24on from Alex van Pelt after the season, this is one of those games where.
06:29His shortcoming sort of stuck out like a sore thumb, not only in terms of what the Patriots
06:34weren't able to do on offense, but also the contrast to what the Titans were doing.
06:40And let's, let's point out that, you know, the Titans have better personnel.
06:45They have more talent.
06:46Yes.
06:47They had Mason Rudolph at quarterback.
06:48I understand that.
06:49Right.
06:50They lost their center Lloyd Cushenberry.
06:51They are, they were already without their right guard, um, you know, going into this
06:56game, but they do have, you know, top 10 picks at left tackle and left guard, the right guards,
07:03right tackles garbage.
07:04And they sort of rotated those guys.
07:07But I think when I, when I watched the tape of this game, um, you know, a lot, some of
07:15it was self-inflicted stuff.
07:17It went back to sort of, you know, guys being out of position, not getting off blocks, guys
07:22going up the field, exposing run gaps and stuff like that.
07:26But I do think a lot of it had to do with Brian Callahan scheme.
07:30I mean, there was a, there was a lot of motion, a lot of bells and whistles, a lot of, uh,
07:35you know, different alignments.
07:37And I think it just, it threw the Patriots for a loop.
07:40I mean, Nick, again, I, I look at this game as just another example of the Patriots just
07:48being out coach in two phases.
07:50I mean, the Titans special teams are a freaking disaster and Brian can't, the Callahan can't
07:56coach his way out of a paper bag as far as a head coach.
07:59I mean, but at least he has the built-in excuse of it's his offense.
08:03He's calling the plays.
08:05He's a little distracted, you know, with all that stuff.
08:10You know, Gerard Mayo does not have that excuse.
08:12Gerard Mayo doesn't do anything.
08:14You know, he has coordinators and, and I mean, the, the, the Titans decision to kick in the
08:20middle of the field line drives twice to Marcus Jones were just egregious.
08:25And you know, if the, if the Titans played well, if they managed the game somewhat, well,
08:31they win this game going away.
08:33It's not even close at the end.
08:35They largely dominated this game from start to finish.
08:38You had the, the, the ridiculous goal line situation where they get to what was a second
08:45and three and they throw twice and they get picked off instead of, you know, just being
08:49conservative and just saying like, look at this other team, they can't do anything.
08:52Let's go up 10 points, see how they do down two scores.
08:57You know, and then there was the fumbled snap, you know, in overtime when they were about
09:01to walk in for a touchdown and you know, there were drops from Calvin Ridley and there
09:06were all sorts of issues and their special team issues, but the, the Titans should have
09:11won this game going away.
09:13And the only reason that it was closer is because of their own ineptitude.
09:16But back to the Patriots defense, you know, say what you want about Brian Callahan.
09:21He's got a really good scheme and I, it, to me, it didn't look like the Patriots were
09:26all that prepared for it.
09:29They were, they, they were caught sort of a half a step late all the time.
09:34Some of their coverages were bad.
09:37You know, to me, it was just more of the same that we've seen out of this defensive season.
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10:27All right, Gerard Mayo.
10:34I'm frustrated, Greg.
10:37I'm trying to be patient and fair and understand there's a learning curve, but two things on
10:45Sunday drove me mother loving crazy.
10:50Let's start with the idea before the game that you had an offensive line that was finally
10:56finding some continuity, was finally playing better, at least in pass protection.
11:03You were going against a team in Tennessee that had Jeffrey Simmons as their best defensive
11:10player.
11:11The last time I checked, you can correct me on this, but Jeffrey Simmons is an interior
11:15defensive lineman.
11:18The Patriots decide in their great wisdom, Greg, before this game to push Michael Wenu
11:25back out to right tackle.
11:28What in the bleep was that about?
11:33This isn't even a hindsight second guess type of thing.
11:38When I heard what they were doing in warmups, I was like, I do not agree with this.
11:46This goes along with Alex Van Pelt, and it also goes along with Gerard Mayo because he
11:50is the head coach.
11:52He dictates everything, or should.
12:00This is the way most teams operate.
12:02This is the way Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniels would have operated.
12:05How many times have we seen the Patriots over the years go up against a team with one really
12:11good guy up front, especially on the interior?
12:15That makes it even easier.
12:16Like J.J. Watt.
12:18How many times did the Patriots play J.J. Watt, and he never did squat?
12:21Now, you could say the Patriots had better personnel and stuff like that.
12:25Oh, okay.
12:26I mean, there were also times that the Patriots went out there and had guys like Brian Stork
12:33and Ryan Windell and Dan Conley and Trey Jackson and all sorts of guys going through injuries
12:41and things like that.
12:42I don't have to say like Wendy and Conley weren't good players.
12:45They were, but not hugely talented players and what have you, but I can guarantee you
12:53if Bill Belichick was here and they were game planning for this, he would have told Josh,
12:58we are not letting number 98 do anything.
13:02Everything we do on offense revolves around eliminating him.
13:07Make the other guys make plays.
13:09That's fine.
13:10But we are not letting him beat us.
13:12And for them to make the decision to insert Leighton Robinson, who I like, okay, and he
13:17played really well early, then he started to slump, then he got hurt.
13:22He hasn't played a whole lot.
13:24The decision to say, I wish I was a fly on the wall for that meeting, if they even add
13:31one, where they're like, hmm, should we move the guy who we're paying $19 million to and
13:39an offensive line where we're whining about how we haven't had continuity all year and
13:44finally get a chance to roll out the same offensive line three times.
13:47And we know what we have.
13:48We know what we don't have.
13:49We got to help the edges, you know, what have you, but you know, should we go with the rookie
13:55against Jeffrey Simmons or the $19 million guy?
14:01And not only that, Nick, like I can, like, okay, let's just say they had their reasons
14:07for doing that.
14:08Okay.
14:09Which I don't agree with.
14:10Well, let's, let's just say they did to pair that with not having a plan against Jeffrey
14:15Simmons.
14:16I mean, I can't tell you how many times in the first half it was one-on-one Leighton
14:20Robinson, one-on-one they're running one-on-one, no double team on Jeffrey Simmons, no running
14:26away, no wham, no, no nothing.
14:29It was just, it was, it was mind boggling.
14:35It was mind numbing.
14:37And to me, it just led me to, to think like, you know, what the hell is Alex Van Pelt doing?
14:44And what the hell is Gerard Mayo allowing him to do?
14:47I mean, this, that decision changing the personnel on the offensive line and then not having
14:54a plan for Jeffrey Simmons to me, doom this game from the Patriots for the start, egregious,
15:01egregious, ridiculous decision makes absolutely no sense.
15:06You are correct in saying this is not hindsight 2020.
15:10Everybody in real time wondered what the hell was going on.
15:12It made no sense specifically with this matchup.
15:16It goes into the long line of defensive playmakers that Alex Van Pelt goes into on Sunday and
15:21says to himself, we don't really have to pay extra attention to that guy.
15:25They did it with Nick Bosa, Bosa killed him.
15:28They did it with Trey Hendrickson.
15:29Hendrickson was somewhat of a problem.
15:31They did it with Will Anderson against Houston in Houston.
15:35And Will Anderson was a big time problem.
15:37It's part of the reason why the strip sack happened and for Darian Lowe got hurt.
15:40And then you go into this game and you don't pay attention to Jeffrey Simmons.
15:45I'm not asking for a lot.
15:47This is basic football stuff.
15:50This is most people who watch the game.
15:53Most people who pay attention to other teams would tell you that Jeffrey Simmons is a killer.
15:58The dude is a certified freaking monster.
16:02And I'm talking about him on my podcast on Friday, previewing the game and saying Jeffrey
16:08Simmons is a problem.
16:10He's like one of the best run stuffers in football.
16:12He's one of the best pass rushers from the interior in football.
16:16You got to make sure you got this thing figured out.
16:17Michael Wenu, Ben Brown have to do a good job and to think that you're putting Leighton
16:21Robinson out there.
16:22But that's not all Greg, because if you thought that decision was bad, I don't know if the
16:28decision was worse, but let's get to overtime and Drake Mays talking to the media after
16:34the game.
16:35And he mentions that he threw into the wind and everybody listening to that said, wait
16:39a minute, they lost the coin toss.
16:45If you lost the coin toss, you get to choose which direction you want to go, which direction
16:50you want to kick into.
16:53And if Drake May was right in his assessment, that means the Patriots chose in overtime
16:58to drive into the wind and Gerard Mayo was asked.
17:05And I thought he made it even worse when his answer, Greg, was so stunningly ridiculous.
17:13He said.
17:15That the wind changed, that was his answer as to why they played into the wind in overtime.
17:22And he said the wind changed from the beginning of the game to overtime to the end of the
17:27game.
17:29And I'm not sure, honestly, I'm not sure if the Patriots coaching staff understands, Greg,
17:35that weather changes throughout the day.
17:40I don't know.
17:41Take it over before I swear and lose my mind.
17:43Well, I mean, and then you can, we could sort of group this into, you know, also the two
17:48point discussion, which I don't have a problem either way, whatever.
17:53I wasn't thinking about the two point conversion because the Patriots were basically in a scramble
17:57drill with no timeouts and Drake May had just run around for 12 seconds and pulled a play
18:01out of his rear end to get you in position to go to overtime, you know, but for Gerard
18:09Mayo not to have an answer on why he didn't do it, not only after the game, but then the
18:16day after the game, like, you know, we knew with Bill Belichick, we knew what we would
18:22get as far as an answer.
18:23But Gerard Mayo is the guy who's preached transparency and, you know, going to share
18:27information and all that stuff.
18:29And then he's just like, I don't want to get into it.
18:33You know, why don't you want to get into it?
18:35Like what's, you're the head coach.
18:38You made the decision.
18:40Like you have to have a reason why you made your decision.
18:42Just state your reason.
18:46But then, you know, the wind thing, I mean, he kicked into the wind, the 56 yard field
18:50goal from all accounts was into the wind.
18:54I think going, I don't know if it was the same direction or not, but he kicks a 56 yarder
19:02on the, in the first quarter and that doesn't work out.
19:06And then he gets the wind wrong in overtime.
19:10I mean, it's just like, Nick, I really am.
19:15I'm sick of talking about the coaching.
19:16I really would rather not.
19:20But I mean, I have to, it's right there week after week after week.
19:25It's it's right there for all to see.
19:28And it's just like, you know, they're not, I feel bad for the players because they're
19:32just not being put in a position to succeed.
19:39And that was just another example on Sunday.
19:41Yeah.
19:42The clock management at the end of the half.
19:44How many times have we seen this?
19:46How, how many times?
19:50And Gerard Mayo has said, I'm not a repeat offender.
19:53You keep making the same mistakes.
19:56They come out and they're aggressive at the end of the half.
19:59They start throwing the football.
20:00They're completing passes.
20:02They're moving the football down the field.
20:03Now, I did not have a problem with the second and one run.
20:07Uh, I thought it was actually a pretty good call given the situation and the fact that
20:10the Patriots had some timeouts.
20:12So I don't mind the second and one run, but then third and one, everybody in the stadium
20:19knows you're going to run the football.
20:21You haven't been able to run the football all first half long.
20:25You run into a brick wall and to make matters worse, you didn't call a timeout after the
20:30second downplay when you ran, which would have saved you time.
20:34So in case, if you got the first down on third and one, you would have had more time
20:38to work with.
20:39I mean, this is just, I mean, this is stuff that I know when I play Madden for the love
20:45of God.
20:46I mean, this, this ain't tough and I don't know, I don't know, but let's continue with
20:56AVP because I've heard this conversation.
20:59I haven't been able to talk about this on my pod.
21:01I haven't talked about it with you.
21:03So van Pelt comes out and says, we're not going to call designed runs for Drake man.
21:08And some people in the media love the quote.
21:11Other people in the media hated the quote.
21:13I hated the quote.
21:14And I'll tell you a couple of reasons why.
21:17Number one, for the people who are like, Oh, if you call designed runs, you're going to
21:22put Drake may in the crosshairs.
21:25What's more dangerous.
21:27Drake may scrambling around when the chaos is happening or a designed run where he knows
21:33where the hell he's going, has blockers in front of him and has full control of the situation.
21:38Number two, Greg, I don't know if I have a quarterback who, one of his most lethal weapons
21:44as we've seen is his legs.
21:47If I'm the offensive coordinator, I might take advantage of that to drive the defense
21:52crazy.
21:53And third, before I kick it to you is, Hey, Alex, your run game sucks.
21:59So maybe you want to sprinkle in some different things with the quarterback to maybe get your
22:03run game going, Greg.
22:05Yeah.
22:07And this is all related to, you know, going back to my main takeaway is like, I think,
22:12you know, Alex van pelvis getting more and more exposed by the week.
22:16I think actually Drake may playing and, you know, I, I brought this up in my column after
22:21the game where I sort of had rambling thoughts about like, you know, because I, it, it doesn't
22:27compute for me, Nick.
22:28And I don't know if it does for you that look, Drake may is making more plays.
22:33Okay.
22:34They're getting bigger plays.
22:36They're getting better overall play out of the quarterback position with Drake may yet
22:40the results are worse.
22:42They just are.
22:43I mean, Jacoby Brissett won them two games and had them on the verge of two victories.
22:49Drake maze, Owen three, as far as, you know, games that he finished and look, the Texans
22:55game was the Texans game, you know, what have you, but, you know, the Jaguars were
22:59the 10, nothing lead that they lose going away.
23:04And then, you know, the Tennessee Titans, they, they lose to, you know, Mason Rudolph,
23:08which was, you know, very similar to the dolphins game.
23:11Of course, I think all of it, you know, goes back to coaching, but back to Alex van Pelt
23:16when I heard that quote and I watch what transpires on the field and I watch other teams like
23:24Washington with Jaden Daniels and cliff Kingsbury how they incorporate what Jaden Daniels does
23:31and the impact that has on the rest of the offense.
23:34Alex van Pelt looks like a caveman Neanderthal, you know, clinging to what he believes in
23:42where, you know, how designed runs, like I've seen, you know, quarterbacks get hurt.
23:46Like what game are you watching your quarterbacks running all over tarnation.
23:51His helmet's almost flying off.
23:53He's was quote unquote concussed, even though I don't think he was really, you know, last
23:58game.
23:59And first of all, you're declaring to every other team, like, Oh, well, this guy really
24:06runs, but we don't need to worry about him in the run game.
24:08I mean, that's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
24:12At least if you're not going to do it, at least talk it up.
24:14So they're like, Oh, now we got to prepare what, what people, and I'm sure we have a
24:19lot of smart listeners to this podcast.
24:23You have no idea when you have an athletic quarterback and you incorporate him into the
24:28run game and do different things schematically, just the, you know, simple RPOs, the amount
24:34of space that opens up in both the run and the, if you have to account for the quarterback,
24:39it adds an extra gap to the run defense.
24:41So somebody has to be in that gap to account for it.
24:45Let alone if, if the quarterback is a threat with his legs and they're doing RPOs and things
24:51like that, you have to play more conservative on defense because if you're in man to man,
24:56you know, you're going to expose gas.
24:58And it also, since everybody complains about how the Patriots receiver sock and they're
25:03not open, I contend to you, Alex van Pelt scheme sucks and can't get anybody open.
25:08But if you have a running quarterback, somebody who, you know, has the fake and the defense
25:14has to hold, and then all of a sudden, guess what?
25:16All this space opens up for your receipt while you're a seat while, while they're waiting
25:20for the ball to figure out whether it's a run or a pass, your receivers already going
25:24down the field and getting open.
25:26And it makes reads simpler for the quarterback.
25:29It makes space easier to come to for the receivers.
25:33And all of this stuff is being laid left on the wayside by Alex van Pelt.
25:37Why I don't want to hear any of this injury bullcrap.
25:42First of all, I don't even know what quarterbacks he's talking about that he's been involved
25:45in.
25:45They have like, you know, designed runs.
25:47I don't think they did that with Aaron Rogers very much in green Bay, but you know, it's,
25:55it's about, he, he's not capable of these things.
25:58He's not capable of motion.
25:59He's not capable of all these different creative things that we see that we just saw from the
26:04Titans.
26:04Brian Callahan had shit going on all over the place and it contributed to the Patriots
26:10not being able to get off the field on defense.
26:12Yet you look at the Patriots and it's like Drake Mays out there with having to throw
26:17rocks with what he has as far as scheme.
26:20You know, it's not just personnel, it's also scheme and coaching.
26:23And the Patriots are just woefully unarmed, underarmed compared to what they're doing,
26:29what they're going up against every Sunday.
26:31It's like the last couple of weeks van Pelt looked like he had improved in a couple of
26:36areas.
26:37And then on Sunday just falls back to what we saw, you know, three weeks ago.
26:41It's just like, there's no steady improvement.
26:45There's no steady improvement on either side of the football.
26:48There's no steady improvement from your head coach as far as learning from the mistakes
26:52that he has made.
26:53It's the same stuff, man.
26:55It's, I'll use it over again.
26:56It's one of my favorites.
26:58It's Bill Murray, Groundhog's Day.
27:00We're waking up, we're rolling over, we're slapping the freaking alarm clock as we hear
27:04Sonny and Cher.
27:05I got you, babe.
27:06That's what's happening.
27:08Every Sunday I'm rolling over, I'm slamming my alarm clock as Sonny and Cher are belting
27:14out a tune to me.
27:15And I'm getting ready to watch coaches that are completely unprepared.
27:18And people want me to assess Elliott Wolfe.
27:22I'm not telling you Elliott Wolfe did a great job.
27:25Certainly this roster could be more talented, but I do have to look at things like Alex
27:30van Pelt.
27:32And what if you had somebody who was better that got Jalen Polk going early in the year
27:36and his confidence skyrocketed.
27:38And now all of a sudden you get a different Jalen Polk.
27:40Now maybe Jalen Polk just fell off a cliff and he stinks and he's never going to be good
27:44and he's a bust.
27:46But to me, it's so much more difficult to evaluate some of these players, especially
27:51the young guys when we have so many coaching questions going on.
27:55I don't know how you do it.
27:57I don't know how you assess this offense fairly when you've got an offensive coordinator who
28:04seems to be lost.
28:05And I'm telling you, like my patience is almost done with him.
28:10And I don't know when you make the move to McAdoo, but it feels like to me it should
28:14be very, very close to happening.
28:16And I know Luke gets, he got popped this week by the Raiders.
28:21Shane Waldron's in trouble in Chicago as they get ready to play against the Patriots this
28:25weekend.
28:26But it's getting close.
28:29It's getting close.
28:29All right, before we get to Drake May and how he played, let Greg tell you all about
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29:33Before we get to May's performance.
29:36Yeah.
29:36Do you think that Van Pelt has actually developed May as much as some think?
29:41Or do you think that's being a little bit overrated?
29:45I'm glad you went here, Nick, because I was about to go here.
29:50You know, and I'm sure you saw and I'm sure it's going to make some people upset.
29:55But I want to I want to present to you a few different stats.
30:00Since taking over in week six, Drake May leads the league in turnover worthy play percentage
30:05at 5.7%.
30:08And of course, any second in turnover worthy plays to Baker Mayfield by one.
30:12Of course, he only played 11 snaps against the Jets.
30:15It probably would be worse if he played.
30:18Conversely, Jacoby Brissett was 11th at 3.5%.
30:22What I also want to point out is Josh Allen, who we have used that comp several times.
30:28I do think that Drake May is similar to Josh Allen in terms of, you know, inexperienced
30:33play style.
30:34Different.
30:35Josh is a freaking oak tree.
30:37And Drake May is sort of like Josh, Josh Allen Jr., a little smaller, but the same style
30:43of play.
30:45Josh Allen was second in the league after his first four starts at 6.7% turnover worthy
30:52plays.
30:53Of course, Allen didn't start started week two and didn't have the quote unquote development
30:58May did when when discussing Alex Van Pelt and his value and about this coaching staff.
31:05And of course, we know that there are a lot of people in let's just say in the media around
31:11here who, you know, either they want to be have extreme patience with Mayo or, you know,
31:17have some affinity for Mayo, which I understand.
31:20One of the one of the crutches that they're using is look at the plan that they had for
31:27Drake May.
31:28Look at what they did.
31:29They obviously and that's the most important thing for this franchise and look at what
31:32they've done.
31:33Look at the way that he's playing.
31:35And that's just an example of they made the right decision.
31:40You know, I'm sorry.
31:42I disagree.
31:42And this might some of this flies in the face of what I believed about Drake May.
31:47And again, when discussing draft prospects, especially quarterback prospects, like there's
31:53a lot of crap that we don't know that is vital to knowing like where a player is and what
31:59he's going to do as far as interviews and being on the board and video like we have
32:04none of that stuff.
32:05OK, all we see is what we see on film with Drake May.
32:09And yes, my opinion was it would be best for him to sit for most of his rookie season
32:18to get his footwork down his mechanics, sort of the Patrick Mahomes plan and set him up
32:24for year two.
32:25So we had a really good base.
32:28That's what I believed, you know.
32:32However, after watching Drake May this this this entire time from OTAs to now into the
32:38season, there's no question that at a certain point in training camp, Drake May was struggling.
32:44He was struggling processing and all that stuff.
32:47And that lent itself to me to be like, all right, well, I assess this right.
32:54This guy's this guy's a way off.
32:56At some point in time that changed.
32:58OK, right around after the joint practice with the Eagles, where they all got their
33:01asses whooped, he came out in the Eagles game and he played really well.
33:07And then that continued after that.
33:09And we heard from Mayo saying, you know, basically from that point on, Drake May outperforms
33:14Jacoby Brissett.
33:15You know, when you're talking about the starting quarterback position, right?
33:19You know, so long story short, the Drake May that I see now on film physically, his footwork,
33:26his motion, how he takes off.
33:29He did this in practices, too.
33:31I don't see a different quarterback.
33:33OK, now I also can't measure where he was as far as deciphering coverages and where
33:39to go with the ball and knowing, you know, and I'm sure Alex Van Pelt has even said like,
33:43oh, yeah, you know, he's he he's he's greatly improved.
33:47He wouldn't have done that week one.
33:49You know, we don't know that.
33:50What you have to keep in mind is that despite Drake May playing really well, he continued
33:55to get crap reps.
33:57He never got any first team reps during training camp and, you know, going into the season.
34:04You know, I maintain that if if they would have say after the Eagles preseason game,
34:10if they would have started splitting the snaps 50 50 with Jacoby Brissett at the very least
34:15as and if they ramped him up in terms of all right, well, now we got to get him ready quicker.
34:20We're not going on the slow plan anymore.
34:22We're going to ramp up his tutoring and covers, you know, all the coverage, just
34:28figuring out what coverage is, all that stuff.
34:32I think that I think that if Drake May, if they ramped up his progress, I think that
34:39he would be as good or better at this point starting week one than where he is now, because
34:45to me, Nick, it looks to me that this is a guy who learns by doing and the more he does
34:52it, the more he learns.
34:53He gets better every every week.
34:56And so I'm sorry.
34:59Correlation, you know, doesn't mean causation just because you're seeing Drake May being
35:04able to play right now doesn't mean he would have been able to play week one.
35:07We don't know that.
35:09And so for people to use that as a crutch to say, well, look at the job Mayo and Van
35:15Pelt have done with Drake May.
35:17I'm sorry.
35:18I just I reject that.
35:19I think that Drake May would be further ahead right now if they would have ramped up his
35:24progress.
35:26With all of that said, what were your thoughts on his performance against that defense on
35:32Sunday?
35:34You know, I look, I mean, he was he was really good.
35:37I mean, his ending grade wasn't great for me.
35:39I would say it was it was good.
35:41You know, I mean, he did have, you know, the three turnovers.
35:44I, you know, the first interception, he's feeling pressure, but he just can't throw
35:50the ball up like that.
35:53You know, the strip sack fumble.
35:57I think I put I put the whole thing on him on that play.
36:01If you remember, like Drake May's looking left, and that's where I think it was Harold
36:06Landry created the sack and the strip sack from behind when he's looking left, Landry
36:13starting to beat Vidarian low like he's he's got to be able to see that sense it, you know,
36:19and then he kind of took his time like you don't have four and a half seconds to to go
36:24and make plays in the NFL.
36:26And so, you know, I put that on him that resulted in the points.
36:30And then the last interception to me, and I know there's a lot of people on Twitter
36:35like Luke Kendrick Bourne fell down.
36:37First of all, we don't know that Kendrick Bourne was going to run the vertical route
36:40on that.
36:40And I didn't really see the safe.
36:42They were playing too deep safeties.
36:44I think the safety would have stayed on the hash marks to me, the biggest issue on that
36:49play, because I do think he had him and they had a similar route in the end zone where
36:57Drake May earlier, he got belted.
37:00And the thing was, is Drake made a great read that that safety, it was Ben Brown who came
37:05in or not Ben Brown.
37:06It was a guy with the last name of Brown came in for quandary digs and he completely blew
37:11a coverage and Drake saw it and he let go of it.
37:14The problem was he got drilled as he threw it.
37:16If he had a little bit more time, it's a touchdown.
37:18It was almost the same type of play.
37:20Drake with this time, Drake was, he was a little late and the ball was under thrown.
37:25If he throws it three quarters of a second earlier and on a line, it's probably a game
37:32winning touchdown.
37:33It was just a little late and it hung up and that was the issue.
37:39But I thought overall, I mean, look, he was 95% of the offense.
37:44I didn't have any problems with the scrambles.
37:46Normally I do the week before his touchdown run, Nick, and I don't know if we discussed
37:51this, his touchdown run.
37:53He actually had two guys open and I would have rather seen him throw that ball, but
37:58he made a play and whatever.
38:00So it's not a negative grade for me.
38:02But this was not a case of Drake May looking to run before he passed.
38:08He had to run in this game.
38:10He bailed the team out.
38:12And again, I just don't think he's getting any help from the offensive coordinator whatsoever
38:17with scheme.
38:18So not only is it talent around him, but it's also the caller and the play caller.
38:24But also let's point out that the offensive line was much better once they went back to
38:29their original line.
38:30The pressure rate dropped a ton and he was able to make a lot more plays.
38:37The offense in the first half was garbage and that included Drake May.
38:41But in the second half, they had much more opportunities because lo and behold, they
38:45could actually block.
38:46But overall, I thought Drake played really well.
38:49I mean, the play that he made at the end of the game was absurd and we all saw it and
38:55it looked like something Josh Allen would do.
38:57And look, it looks like they got the guy at quarterback.
39:01We'll see how it goes.
39:02You just wonder if they have anything else.
39:04Yeah, I mean, I thought Van Pelt tanked that game with the offensive line decision and
39:09Mayo that that's the very reason why they couldn't do anything offensively to start
39:14that game.
39:14So that's on the coaching staff.
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39:49All right, a big trade was made in the NFL just a few moments ago.
39:52Greg Marshawn Lattimore corner from New Orleans goes to Washington for a third round pick,
39:57at least a third round pick.
39:59Ian Rappaport said it was a third round pick and more.
40:02Others are just saying a third round pick.
40:04If you were the Patriots, because I know a lot of Patriots fans will say, why not go
40:08get would you?
40:09Would you have been in on that?
40:10You have two second rounders with the Judon trade.
40:13Would you have been in on Marshawn Lattimore?
40:17No, no, not a not a cornerback.
40:19They have three cornerbacks.
40:20They can go get more.
40:22I think the more pertinent question is, would you have dealt Jonathan Jones because there
40:27were rumors about people calling about Jonathan Jones?
40:30And I think now we know the commanders are one of those teams.
40:34Would you have done Jonathan Jones for a third round pick or a fourth round pick?
40:40I definitely would have done it for a third, fourth, probably not.
40:44And that's probably why the Patriots weren't in on this deal.
40:48All right.
40:48Three up, three down.
40:49Who'd you like?
40:50Who did you not like?
40:51Yeah, let's just go through it on defense.
40:54Guys, I liked the edge guys.
40:56I liked all of them.
40:57Keon White was awesome for total quarterback pressures.
41:00Three and a half stuffed runs.
41:02Dietrich Wise was good, even though he had a really bad run past the quarterback on the
41:07first drive that did not help things.
41:10Anthony Jennings was really good.
41:14Jelani Tavai was really good.
41:17I liked Marcus Jones, and that's it for the defense.
41:21Offense, Drake May.
41:24Ramondre Stevenson, even though he didn't have much production, his two touchdowns.
41:29Again, that goal line touchdown, it was almost...
41:32I went and whiffed again.
41:33And again, it was a circumstance where I'm like, I don't know how he got in.
41:37So, and plus his catch at the end of the game.
41:41Hunter Henry continues to probably be the best player as far as performance on offense
41:47this season.
41:51And on the offensive line, Michael Wenu, DeMontre Jacobs, and Ben Brown all did a good job.
41:58Oh, DeMontre Jacobs.
41:59Michael Wenu at right guard and DeMontre Jacobs at right tackle.
42:04That's interesting.
42:07Yeah.
42:10By the way, the trade for Lattimore was a Washington third, a Washington fourth,
42:18a Washington sixth, and Washington got Lattimore in a fifth.
42:27So a third, a fourth, and a sixth for Lattimore in a fifth.
42:31So Washington gave up a lot.
42:33So if you're a Patriots fan who wants Marshawn Lattimore, you gotta ask yourself the question,
42:37would you have traded a third, a fourth, and a sixth for him?
42:40I would not have done that.
42:42All right, he's Greg.
42:43I'm Nick.
42:44Later in the week, we'll have our reaction.
42:46See if the Patriots do anything on this trade deadline day.
42:49We get about three more hours left before the end of that deadline.
42:54And also, we'll preview the Chicago Bears.
42:56Caleb Williams, the first pick in the draft versus the third pick in the draft coming up on Sunday.
43:01Everybody be well until then.