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Greg Bedard and Nick Cattles return to bring you an in-depth preview of the Patriots vs. Titans game this Sunday. Both teams have six losses, meaning the Patriots have a chance to build off of their big win against the Jets. Tune in for the latest on Drake Maye and more injuries, plus the official predictions for the weekend's contest!

0:00 - Intro
6:00 - Dodgers win series
8:11 - Drake Maye's status
10:49 - Concussion comparison
12:41 - NFL concussion protocol
16:13 - Drake Maye situation
18:01 - Jacoby Brissett's feelings
20:01 - Media's impact on Brissett
22:24 - Offensive line improvement
23:57 - Vedarian Lowe's performance
28:10 - Offensive line narrative
30:27 - Trade deadline strategies
32:14 - Titans' record analysis
36:14 - Patriots defense strategy
39:34 - Titans defense overview
42:05 - Special teams struggles
45:36 - Predictions for game


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00:00This is the Greg Bidard Patriots podcast with Nick Cavins.
00:07I'm going to get you ready for the Titans matchup this weekend.
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00:38Before we get to football, Greg, you want to talk some baseball as last night, the Yankees
00:43lost the Dodgers.
00:44They lose the world series in five games and Greg, I'll tell you what a complete implosion
00:52by the Yankees during that game last night after going up five.
00:56Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you were, uh, I'm sure you had an eye on both games because of course
01:03the Celtics were mounting a monumental comeback against the Pacers and took it to overtime
01:08and I had that on the little TV, so I was, I was monitoring it, but I'm sure, you know,
01:14I'm sure you had it swapped.
01:16I'm sure you had, uh, the Celtics in full view in the, in the world series and the other,
01:21but, um, yeah, what have changed in events during that game?
01:25And, uh, I, I think people who listen to this know that I love baseball.
01:29I, you know, baseball is actually my sport and, uh, played it, coached it, coach softball.
01:36So, uh, you know, we are a baseball household at the Bedard's.
01:40Um, so, uh, my son was at hockey practice, but my daughter was home and she was all into
01:45it.
01:46Um, she's a big Freddie Freeman fan, so she was going nuts.
01:48But, um, I mean, the Yankees were a five, nothing and Garrett Cole was in complete command.
01:54He was unhittable.
01:55His stuff was filthy.
01:57You were like, oh my God, he's going to throw a complete game.
01:59Shut out.
02:00Uh, the Dodgers are going to have to burn through some arms, um, and it's going to go
02:06back to LA and you know, who knows?
02:08Yeah.
02:09I wouldn't rule it out that the Yankees come back, you know, 20 years from when it happened
02:13to them.
02:14Uh, that's what I was thinking at the time.
02:16And then all of a sudden Aaron judge takes his eye off a routine line drive to center
02:23field to peek at the runner at first misses the ball.
02:26Um, it's been a while since I've seen a play like that, especially in a big spot.
02:32Um, you had the fielder's choice to shortstop where, you know, I liked the decision to go
02:38to third by Volpe, but Kike Hernandez was hustling.
02:43He also slid to the outside part of the bag, which was very smart.
02:47Um, you know, a lot of base runners, especially at the youth level level, they probably would
02:52have slid to the inside part of the bag, um, thinking that there might be a tag, but you
02:57know, him sliding to the outside and also I would say jazz Chisholm not having a lot
03:03of experience at, at, at third, um, you know, look Volpe spike, spike the throw.
03:09They don't get it there.
03:11And then you have the, the play at first base where Mookie bets hits a spinner to first.
03:20And um, what's his name at first base Rizzo Rizzo.
03:25Yeah.
03:26And Rizzo, uh, gets it and he wants to flip it and Garrett Cole stopped.
03:30He just pointed to first base, like, you know, you got it.
03:33Mookie's running down the line.
03:34He's safe.
03:36Dodgers get a couple of, you know, key hits, including Freddie Freeman with the single
03:40up the middle.
03:41Um, and all of a sudden it's five, five and you're like, Holy crap.
03:45And Garrett Cole had to throw like 38 pitches that inning and it completely changed the
03:49game around.
03:50And it was all self-inflicted, uh, by the Yankees.
03:53So of course me as a Red Sox fan, I was just sitting there giggling to myself and, and
03:58loving all of it.
03:59I will say, you know, I haven't heard a whole lot of the discussion today about that play
04:04between Rizzo and Cole, but I just got to say, even in the moment, like when Mookie
04:09hit it, I was like, Oh crap, this is a spinner.
04:13He might not even feel this ball.
04:15I, I was a first baseman by trade.
04:17I've been in that position.
04:19Um, those plays are really, really hard.
04:23And basically in that situation, cause you don't know what kind of bounce you're going
04:27to get at the very end with it spinning like that.
04:29It could kick off a rock and, and go the other way.
04:33You know, basically in that, in that scenario, as a first baseman, you just want to make
04:37sure that you stop, knock the ball down, stop the ball.
04:41Um, because you don't know, it's like fielding a knuckleball, uh, basically.
04:45And so I wouldn't have been like, I definitely, if it was me, I definitely would have went
04:50down on like one knee and would have been over-exaggerating like, you know, knocking
04:54it down almost like a catcher to make sure I kept it in the infield or kept it from squirting
04:59away.
05:01You know, Cole's got to get over there.
05:03Like he, uh, you know, I know he probably thought it was a routine ground ball, but
05:07he's got to recognize the, the, the spin on that and like, oh crap, I got to get over
05:11there just in case.
05:13And so, um, yeah, what a change, what a change of events in that game.
05:18I definitely thought they were going back to LA and anything was possible.
05:21And I just got done watching the Netflix Red Sox documentary.
05:25So that was all in my mind and, but a great theater.
05:28I mean, I wanted it to go further cause I just wanted to see more of, you know, of this
05:33classic series with, you know, big hitters, superstars on each side.
05:38But, um, that, that was a fun watch last night.
05:41Yeah.
05:42I just finished watching the comeback yesterday, right before game five.
05:46So I had the same kind of feelings of, oh no, they're going to end up doing this.
05:51Even when Verdugo was up there to end the game, I'm like, watch, he's going to hit a
05:54home run, tie this game.
05:55It goes into extra innings and they're going to end up somehow winning this.
06:00But I also played first base when I was younger.
06:02So I totally agree with you on the ground ball, the Rizzo.
06:05It's a tough play.
06:06It's much tougher than people might think it is if you've actually played the game and
06:10played that position and Cole has to get over, you can't take anything for granted.
06:14I think it's interesting.
06:15You know, the Dodgers win this series in five games and I was just doing some quick math,
06:20you know, Shohei Otani was two for 19 in this series.
06:24Mookie Betts was five for 20.
06:26So Otani and Betts were combined seven for 39 and the Yankees still could only muster
06:31one game.
06:33It came down mostly to pitching and Freddie Freeman.
06:37Freeman was an absolute freaking beast.
06:39He was a nightmare.
06:40I was surprised the Yankees kept pitching to him, but it worked on a few occasions.
06:45So I can't kill them for that.
06:47I would have just walked the dude if I could every single time, because he was unbelievably
06:51in the zone the first three or four games of this series.
06:54So congratulations to the Dodgers and yes, I did enjoy watching Verdugo be the final
06:58out and I thought the strikeout was the icing on the cake.
07:03Thank you very much.
07:04No championship for you Yankees.
07:07Go cry in the corner.
07:08All right, let's get into some football here.
07:11Drake may we start with Drake may Greg, of course, he was concussed against the Jets
07:15last weekend.
07:16I am not going to be blamed for that even though I was there.
07:19My friends used to call me the angel of death, but I will say I was at the Rams Patriots
07:26Super Bowl when they won.
07:27So no angel of death here, but may was concussed.
07:31He was not at the media portion of practice yesterday, but he did throw for 30 minutes.
07:37That would mean he's in phase three.
07:38There's some confusion about phase three versus four.
07:42And really the difference is the 30 minutes, the allotted time.
07:46If may was out there beyond the 30 minutes, he's in phase four.
07:49The fact that they had to cut it off at 30 minutes, he's in phase three.
07:53As of yesterday, he was in the locker room today, Greg, they're going out on the field
07:58in just a minute as we record this.
08:00So we'll probably find out if he's out there, but just your thoughts on, on what we saw
08:05yesterday and what we heard from Gerard Mayo regarding Drake may.
08:09Yeah, I think, you know, reading the tea leaves and you know, I, when it comes to head head
08:15injuries, I'm not terribly comfortable, like, you know giving takes, I mean, I'm all for,
08:22you know, whatever the doctors say and whatever the player wants to agree to, you know, they
08:26can do, you know, whatever they want, but, you know, reading the tea leaves on what's
08:30going on.
08:31You know, it sounds like Drake may was suiting up to go to practice.
08:34That's a good sign.
08:35That meant, you know, basically, you know, every sort of step in the protocol that they
08:40go through, it's basically like, you know, they tested a little bit.
08:44Then they, then they, then they check your symptoms the next day to see if they come
08:48back or anything like that.
08:49And then if they don't, then you can, you can progress.
08:52So that Drake may was getting ready for practice tells me that that 30 minute session he bounced
09:00back fine.
09:01He didn't have any issues no symptoms.
09:03And so now he's going forward and then we'll see, you know, he'll go through a full practice
09:08today.
09:09I would anticipate him getting about, you know, probably 50% of the load today.
09:16You know, just cause you never know, like Drake could be progressing, progressing, and
09:19then all of a sudden they get to the final step and he, he, he shows symptoms.
09:24And so you have to start, you have to prepare Jacoby Bursett, you know, at least some just
09:30in case, cause you don't know these injuries are totally unpredictable, but I would say
09:34from what we see right now, I think it's, I think I would guess that that Drake may
09:40is going to start on Sunday and you know, I'm sure a lot of people will be happy about
09:44that.
09:45Yeah.
09:46The one comparison that I would make, and again, this is, this isn't apples to apples
09:50because every single concussion is different.
09:52Every single reaction to the concussion is different.
09:55So I don't want to sit here and tell you it's a guarantee, but when you look at Brock Purdy,
09:59I know NBC sports, Boston threw this up there, uh, during the week that Purdy was concussed
10:05and was able to play the next week.
10:07And that's really the only recent example of that at the quarterback position.
10:11I looked it up.
10:12Purdy was actually concussed on Monday night that happened on a Monday night football game.
10:17And he was in phase three by Thursday's practice that week, which would be Wednesday's practice
10:23for the Patriots this week.
10:25So if you're just going off of timelines and you're looking at that Brock Purdy example,
10:31Drake may is exactly where Purdy was, uh, given the difference between a Sunday and
10:36a Monday night, he's exactly where Purdy was at that point in the week after being concussed.
10:41So Purdy was able to play doesn't mean May's going to play, uh, because again, they're
10:46all different, but I do think, uh, that timeline tells us at least how Drake may feels to this
10:51point and the chance that he has of playing.
10:56Would you play Drake may Greg, even if he was cleared, Gerard Mayo said yesterday, if
11:00he's cleared by the independent neuroscientist that he feels like may, we'll be able to operate
11:08the offense.
11:09Therefore play, would you play Drake if he was cleared?
11:13Yeah, I would.
11:14I mean, you know, from the standpoint of it's my opinion from, you know, the way things
11:19went down Mayo's interaction with him at halftime, uh, that may after he got concussed
11:25and, and by the way, Adam regions, our photographer over at BSJ, um, you know, I mean, he's excellent.
11:31And he was telling GRD and I, he was like, you know, right after it happens, he's like,
11:36uh, you know, looking through his lens, cause he was all over taking photos of that sequence.
11:40He was like, I think he's concussed.
11:42Um, he looked, he looked out of it, his eyes.
11:45And the thing is, is like they, uh, there was the end of the quarter break and then
11:50Drake came out and including, he threw a dime to Keyshawn booty on third down over the middle
11:56with a bunch of crap going on.
11:59Um, so in terms of concussions in this, their severity, it looked like this was on, uh,
12:05the lighter side, uh, of that.
12:08And so, um, I do think him going through the protocol and everything, I do think it's a,
12:14you know, it's a safer bet, like, you know, for example, on the other side of the spectrum,
12:19if he was, uh, if he was like, you know, knocked out on that play and people had to come out
12:26and then they take them in, like, obviously in that circumstance, you probably want to
12:30be a little bit more cautious, but this, from all that we've seen and heard, this seems
12:36to be sort of a minor concussion.
12:39And so, um, I'm fine with him getting, you know, right back out there because I do think
12:44this is a kid, um, and he only played 11 plays last week, but, uh, the early indications
12:50are that the more he plays, the more the game slows down for him, the better he is.
12:55So yeah, just keep playing now.
12:58I do want to say, you know, cause I've heard like, I was just listening to Phil and Tom
13:03Kern on, on his podcast and you know, I do think there's a little hyperbole about how
13:10much better the offense looks and performs, you know, with Drake May, which in many respects
13:16is true.
13:18Um, you know, but let's also recognize that Jacoby Brissette has led the team to two victories.
13:26Their, their two victories had another one if Jalen Polk got his heel down.
13:31So, I mean, it's not like Jacoby Brissette's inept and the Patriots have, you know, no
13:37chance.
13:38It's an uglier game.
13:40It's not a pretty game.
13:41Uh, but you know, for the most part, you know, Jacoby Brissette has done what he was brought
13:47here to do and you know, predictably it hasn't been pretty to watch, but you know, got to
13:54hand it to the guy.
13:55He's should have led two fourth quarter comebacks and his last two games.
13:58So I just wanted to get that out there.
14:00Yeah.
14:01A few things to unpack.
14:02Um, I was uncomfortable watching the game back on Monday, knowing that may was concussed
14:08because I just, the NFL needs to figure this out.
14:12And I know it's not a flawless process and it's pretty much impossible to, to make it
14:16a flawless process, but they have one of those independent neurological neurological doctors
14:22on the sidelines and you know, they're supposed to have one job.
14:26Your one job is to pay attention to hits and see if anybody reacts.
14:30Now, a lot of times they do a great job, but it's really weird when, when it's a quarterback,
14:35we've seen instances of this, right?
14:38Tua was allowed to stay in the game, even though he got up and kind of, you know, stumbled
14:42and bumbled and fell back down and got back up.
14:44He was allowed to stay in Josh Allen a few weeks ago, clearly was knocked out his wrist
14:49and his hand goes limp and he stays in the game.
14:52And when they finally take them out, uh, he has like six minutes of real time or whatever
14:57it was.
14:58And he's right back in there.
15:00I'm watching may and he gets hit it's helmet to helmet.
15:04It's obvious.
15:05It's helmet to helmet.
15:06You can see that may takes a while to get up.
15:09He needs his teammates to help him.
15:11He's allowed to take a snap.
15:12I think the jets had a penalty on the very next play.
15:18And then they go to a commercial break and you come back from the commercial and he's
15:23still in the game.
15:25And I just, uh, and he plays, I think it was three more snaps.
15:28And by the way, one of the snaps that he takes, he was sacked.
15:33Thankfully he was not hit in the head during that sack.
15:37Thankfully he doesn't take another tough blow to the, to the helmet.
15:40And we might be talking about something much more serious, even though, you know, every
15:44concussion is serious, but we could be talking about something even more significant.
15:48As you said, Greg, we didn't see a fencing position like we've seen from Tua.
15:52We didn't see may get completely knocked out and that's on the NFL.
15:56I don't know how you allow somebody to take a helmet to helmet hit, take a while to get
16:02up off the ground, needs help from his teammates, takes a snap.
16:05Then you have a full commercial break and he's allowed to go back out there.
16:09I just, it seems like they could do a better job at times of recognizing these kinds of
16:14things.
16:15I agree with you as far as Drake may playing, if he's cleared, you play him.
16:19He's your starting quarterback.
16:21The whole idea is to get him reps, to get them out there.
16:24And I think you absolutely play him.
16:27We've got a couple more thoughts on Jacoby preset.
16:29Got a question for Greg about Jacoby.
16:31I got a question about the deadline as well.
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17:59Jacoby Brissette, Greg, was he pissed after the Jets game?
18:02And if he was pissed, who was he pissed at?
18:06I do think that he was pissed.
18:07There was definitely an edge to him.
18:09Um, after that, um, I think if I, if I had to guess, well, first of all, I don't think
18:16he was happy about the decision to bench him.
18:19Um, considering, I think in his mind, um, you know, he had played well enough or steered
18:29the ship well enough to get the Patriots in position to, uh, they beat the Bengals, had
18:34him in position to beat the Seahawks, had him in position to beat the Dolphins.
18:39Um, you know, and then the Polk play happened, um, and led them to two scoring drives in
18:44the fourth quarter against the Jets.
18:46So in his mind, I don't think, you know, at the time after the Dolphins game, when he
18:50got benched, I don't think he was happy about that.
18:53Um, he, he thought there, I think he thought that he was the scapegoat and there are players
18:58in that locker room, veteran offensive players who told me that he was made the scapegoat
19:03that somebody was going to have to, uh, pay the price.
19:06So I think there were some hard feelings about that, but I also think there's a lot, a lot
19:10of hard feelings in regards, um, to the media or some of the noise that he heard.
19:15And I, I understand it.
19:17I mean, you know, when, and this isn't anything against Zoe, but you know, when you have the,
19:23the team's radio color guy, basically like openly campaigning for Drake may not only,
19:29uh, during the season, but before the season, it was getting weak, uh, you know, stronger
19:33week after week.
19:34And you have certainly, um, members in the media who, you know, just wanted Drake may,
19:41and, you know, we're denigrating Jacoby Bursette and, you know, look, it's the job of the media
19:46to, to commentate on these things.
19:48But I just think that, I think that Jacoby heard a lot of that stuff at some point, and
19:54I think it's, it's given him a real chip on his shoulder.
19:57So, yeah, I think, I think he was pissed after that game and been like, this is what I've
20:01been doing the whole time.
20:02It's just, you know, the offense played a little bit better, the offensive line protected
20:07a little bit better.
20:08I mean, the, the pressure rate allowed by the Patriots has gone down, um, every week
20:13since Drake may became the starter.
20:14Now, some of that has to do with Drake, but Jacoby played a lot on Sunday and I only had
20:18it as like a 29% pressure rate.
20:20Um, so, uh, I, and I do think this offensive line has played well.
20:25They've, they've righted the ship with, um, you know, low at left tackle Jacobs at right
20:31tackle a winning wet, right guard, Ben Brown at center.
20:35Um, and who's playing left guard.
20:39I just Michael Jordan, uh, Michael Jordan, who's actually gotten worse in recent weeks.
20:44But, um, yeah, I think he's just like, look, if, if, if the offense was better, if AVP,
20:51if the offensive line was better, um, I would have been doing this the whole time, but I
20:57paid the price for everybody else sucking.
21:01I find it interesting.
21:03You know, if, if anybody out there criticized Jacoby before the season, when he met with
21:10the media and they asked him something, I'm going to paraphrase here, cause I can't
21:15remember the exact dialogue, but they asked him about preparing for the season.
21:18And he said something along the lines that he played some golf and he was criticized
21:22by some people like, oh, he's not taking the job seriously.
21:26You're supposed to be the starting quarterback.
21:28You're brought in, you're playing golf during the off season.
21:31If you criticize Jacoby for that, then you can't, I don't think you can criticize him
21:36for having the red ass on Sunday because that's what you wanted, right?
21:40Like you wanted the guy to be competitive.
21:42You wanted him to be ready to play and wanting to play and angry.
21:46If he doesn't play, I have absolutely zero issue with preset, uh, having that red ass.
21:52And, and, and if that helps him, uh, you know, play better or motivates him.
21:57Cool.
21:57I mean, players use different things to motivate themselves all the time.
22:00So I have no issue.
22:02And I also understand if, if, if Jacoby's hearing some of the stuff that he was
22:06certainly hearing from all sorts of corners of the media, and look, I think a lot of
22:11the stuff about his play was justified, frankly.
22:15But again, it's his point of view.
22:17And if, if that motivates him, then good, let it motivate him.
22:22And as far as the offensive line, I just want to throw this out
22:24there because I want to update this.
22:26You and I have had a lot of conversations and I put out a long tweet the other
22:30day about the Darien low, who, by the way, might not play, we'll see.
22:34We'll see if he's at practice today.
22:36He said, he's going through some things, a shoulder and an ankle, but we, we've
22:40had all the conversations in the first month, month and a half, everybody was
22:43going crazy about the offensive line and I get it and God forbid, I said, let's be
22:47patient and see if they can get healthy and let's see if they grow together.
22:51And when, when you look, when you look at the Darien low, it's pretty funny.
22:55We're halfway through the year.
22:58And when you're looking at the pro football focus, pass protection grade,
23:02and I know some people have issues with pass protection, you know, PFF and all
23:05that stuff, but if you're using a measurement, if you're using the same
23:09measurement for all players, then it's a fair measurement, whether you agree
23:13with the measurement or not, it's, you know, it's, it's still measuring all
23:16those players via the same quote unquote science Darien low, his past pro
23:22grade is 72.6, according to pro football focus.
23:26Now that is higher than second round pick Patrick, Paul, second round pick
23:31Blake Fisher, second round pick Roger Rosengarten, second round pick Kingsley
23:34Suamata, IA third round pick ahead of Cato Wallace, Brendan Coleman.
23:39That's even higher than Tyron Smith.
23:42So, and by the way, Lowe's played 255 snaps.
23:46If people want to throw the health at me, the only rookie who's played more
23:50snaps out of those names I gave you is Rosengarten and he's playing on the
23:54right side for the Ravens offensive line.
23:56He's played 361 snaps.
23:57So just about a hundred more snaps.
24:00Then low has Tyron Smith has played almost double the snaps as low.
24:04So you can have a fight there.
24:06The point is, I understand the perception of the Darien low and the
24:12reputation that, you know, he seemingly had walking into this season, but
24:18I'm just giving you the numbers I'm giving to the facts here.
24:21He he's been pretty damn good in past protection.
24:24And that's even with facing Trey Hendricks in week one in Cincinnati
24:27after only practicing a day or two.
24:29So I think this offensive line it's, it has not been nearly as terrible as it
24:36was the first month or so of the season and hopefully it gets better.
24:40Yeah.
24:40Nick, I also want to point out that Alex van Pelt has been much better in the
24:46past couple of games about helping out the tackles and, you know, keeping
24:50more people in and chipping and then getting guys out, I mean, it's been
24:55night and day from early in the season.
24:57And that was a big criticism of mine, but, you know, I do want to point out
25:01that I think he's done a much better job of spinning the dial in terms of, you
25:05know, helping guys and, you know, maybe mixing in some more quick games and
25:10three steps, three-step drops where you're not, you don't need to help
25:15and you can get guys out quickly.
25:16Like he's done a much better job in the past couple of games.
25:19And I think that's been a real factor on how the pressure rate has gone down.
25:23And that's something that I criticized him early, where it's like, dude, let's
25:27just, let's help a lot, you know, and just deal with the other stuff later,
25:32but it, you know, better late than never that he's, he's turned a corner.
25:35And I think that's helped, you know, the, the offense as a whole be, you
25:39know, more productive and consistent in the passing game.
25:42I agree.
25:42I think van Pelt has had two of his better weeks, the last two weeks.
25:46I was very critical of him, uh, you know, against, uh, against Jacksonville to a
25:52point, uh, but when you look at some of the things he, he at least made some
25:56improvements and then, you know, you look at the last, you look at last week.
26:00I thought he made some improvements there as well.
26:03So I think he has gotten better.
26:05I don't think he's great.
26:06And by the way, the vederian low stuff, I understand it's only
26:09halfway through the season.
26:10He could fall off a cliff.
26:11The other guys could improve.
26:13I evaluated it after the first quarter of the season.
26:15I evaluate after the half of the season.
26:18I'll continue to do that throughout every quarter of the year.
26:21And we'll see at the end of the season, if a Darien low was better than those
26:25rookie tackles that everybody wanted.
26:28I know some will fight back and say, Hey Nick, you know, you're drafting for
26:32upside and those guys could be better next year.
26:36And I understand, I understand that, but a few things, uh, I'm just simply
26:40stating that up to this point, low has been better than those guys.
26:43I'm not guaranteeing he'll be better for the rest of his career.
26:46I'll also say that low is 25 years old.
26:48He's pretty young.
26:49He still has some upside.
26:50If he can stay healthy, I'd also say that drafting a tackle in the second
26:55round would have cost you draft capital.
26:57You would have had to flip the pick of Kate and Wallace and Jayvon Baker.
27:01Maybe Jayvon Baker ends up being nothing.
27:03Maybe Wallace ends up being nothing, but if Wallace ends up being, you know, a
27:07starting right tackler, at least a swing tackle and you have low, then that's better
27:13off than what you would have done in the draft.
27:16And you also look at Jalen Polk for people who wanted the Patriots, maybe to move down
27:21and draft a guy or move up even Tyler Guyton, by the way, if you're wondering
27:25Tyler Guyton is well behind Vidarian low and past protection block grade for the
27:30Cowboys and Tyler Guyton told the media that the Patriots try to trade
27:34up for him in the first round.
27:35So Guyton has not even been as good as Vidarian low in past protection.
27:39So, uh, you know, and it doesn't stop you from drafting somebody in 2025.
27:45If the Darien low ends up being a very good stop gap and you end up drafting the
27:49future of left tackle and the 2025 draft, then really what the hell are we talking
27:53about?
27:54So, uh, I just wanted to point that out because I still see people, um, you know,
28:00going bananas about, oh, they could have went out and they could have traded for
28:03Cam Robinson or they could go get this guy.
28:05Why are the fact is with Darien low has been pretty good.
28:09So that's it.
28:11And, and pay attention to people like Greg and Taylor Kyles and Evan Lazar and
28:16even me, who I look at the numbers I spent, like, listen to the people that
28:19actually focus on that stuff, because I feel like it just, it just becomes this,
28:24you know, pitchfork and torches because the first couple of weeks were rough on
28:30the offensive line.
28:30It's like, we're just going to keep that narrative going.
28:33Even though we see on the field, there's been some shift.
28:35Speaking of trading, would you buy Greg, if you're the Patriots at the deadline?
28:41Um, yeah, I mean, you know, if you find the, the, you know, somebody that you, a
28:47younger player, um, it would be nice to have, you know, some contract terms left,
28:53but that's not, um, all that vital because the Patriots still have a ton of cap space
28:59that they, they could use both this year and, you know, next year when they roll
29:03over the balance, um, you know, it would have to be somebody that the, the team
29:10really liked coming out of college with their evaluations and maybe they deemed
29:14that they weren't in a good situation where they currently are.
29:17Um, but yeah, I mean, I would be, I would be looking at tackles.
29:21I would, but you know, Cam Robinson is 30.
29:25Um, I think that, I think that the Vikings were a little bit more aggressive, you
29:30know, because they just lost Darisaw.
29:32So they had to get somebody, um, you know, defensive tackle and, um.
29:41You know?
29:41Yeah.
29:41Wide receiver as well.
29:42I mean, yeah, I'd be looking, but you know, those, those type of deals don't
29:47really happen a whole lot in the NFL.
29:51I think you should be looking at buying, like you said, if it, if it fits
29:54certain criteria, if you could bring somebody in who you could sign longterm,
30:00if T Higgins is available and you love T Higgins, even though I don't think he'll
30:03be available, if you think you can get somebody like that and get him into the
30:07facility before free agency and get them locked up, it makes sense.
30:11Uh, those kinds of moves make sense.
30:13Maybe you can find somebody who, you know, has talent, but it's not really a fit on
30:17a certain team because maybe the coaching staff changed, the scheme changed, and
30:22those guys are kind of falling through the cracks, but they're younger and they
30:24have talent, your number one job is to make this roster better.
30:28So if you can do that, then you do it.
30:30I would not be just throwing out top 100 picks, especially in this upcoming draft.
30:36I'd have to make some sense for me, but if I could bring a player in that could
30:40help, yes, bring a player in that could help because you're trying to develop a
30:43culture and you're trying to help your rookie quarterback.
30:47All right.
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32:27Before we get to defense offense, let's just ask you Greg, 30,000 feet.
32:32People who are not paying attention to the Tennessee Titans, which I would
32:35imagine is the vast majority of people listening to this podcast or watching
32:38us, uh, yeah, they're, they're what they're one in six.
32:43So people might look at the record and go, Oh, this team is God awful.
32:48Are they as bad as their record?
32:51Certainly not talent wise.
32:52Um, you know, so I went back, I watched some of the film and I'm not done
32:57with it, but I watched their, their offense and defense against the Colts,
33:00which was a game in which the Colts won 20 to 17, that was Joe
33:07Flacco versus Will Levis.
33:09And I think Will Levis who didn't play last week, it was, it was Mason
33:12Rudolph, uh, who lost 54 to 14.
33:16Uh, the Buffalo bills beat them 34 to 10.
33:18So they've been outscored, uh, 80, 86 to 24 against two of
33:24the best teams in the league.
33:26I mean, those two teams could be in the super bowl, um, the way they're
33:29going right now and they're playing at a high level, so I don't
33:32really fault them for that.
33:33But, you know, just watching them from, you know, 10,000 feet.
33:37Um, you know, I, I don't know why this team's one in six.
33:42Now I do know almost all of it has to do with Will Levis has been a bakery with
33:47the amount of turnovers that he's surrendered.
33:49I mean, he does, he, he plays like an idiot on the field.
33:54He really does.
33:55Um, you know, he, he, he looks, I mean, even when he has protection and
34:01there's this and that, like, he just looks like nervous, like he's just
34:04going a hundred billion miles an hour.
34:07And you're just like, dude, take a breath.
34:10Like, you know, it's so, you know, that's a lot of it.
34:15We'll see if maybe, you know, sitting with the injury, like maybe
34:17calm them down, um, a little bit.
34:20But I mean, you know, you look at this team, Nick and like, you know, there's
34:23talent all over the place from, I, you know, I know they dealt off Deandre
34:28Hopkins, but you know, they still have Calvin Ridley.
34:31Uh, they still have Tyler Boyd.
34:33The offensive line has two very high draft picks from the last two drafts.
34:38JC Latham at left tackle Peter Skowronski, uh, who went, you know, top, I think it
34:44was top 10 and the draft before the 2023, they signed Cushenberry the center from
34:50Denver, who's a good player.
34:52Uh, Dylan Radden's the right guard was a second round pick in 21.
34:57Very physical guy, right?
34:58Tackle is a big issue for them.
35:01Um, Tony Pollard is a good back.
35:03Ty Jay, Ty Jay Spears is a good back.
35:06Like those guys can hit it hard and quickly, um, on defense.
35:11I mean, they signed Sebastian Joseph day Devandre sweat.
35:15Well, was the big nose tackle from Texas who I love that I would have loved to see
35:20the Patriots get as sort of the next guy after God chow, he was a second round pick.
35:24Um, he's a good run defender.
35:26Jeffrey Simmons is just awesome.
35:28Harold Landry is great.
35:30Kenneth Murray at linebacker is a good player.
35:33Um, their safeties hooker and digs are good.
35:37They have a luxurious need and Roger McQuarrie at secondary.
35:41They have, they're playing a rookie Brownlee who was a fifth round pick who
35:45has issues, but on the whole, like you look at this team and you're just like,
35:51this team should not be one in six.
35:52Now I know they've had a tough schedule, but, um, you know, if they start to get
35:57it together, similar to like the Patriots, um, you know, I think this is going to
36:02be, this is going to be a tough matchup, but you know, I do think it's going to
36:05come down to the quarterbacks and obviously I'd like, I like the Drake May
36:09versus will love us matchup if that's what we get.
36:12All right.
36:12Let's, uh, let's start here.
36:15Patriots defense versus Titans offense.
36:17What are you looking for if you're DeMarcus Covington?
36:21Uh, hang on.
36:23I was just looking for something to go over some of my notes.
36:26Um, so, you know, I am, I want to put the game in will love us as
36:32hands, um, you know, as much as possible.
36:35Um, I don't think, you know, yeah, Ridley's pretty fast as a reason why
36:40the Patriots wanted to sign them, but I'm doing the same thing I did last week.
36:44Like I'm playing a lot more man coverage.
36:47I'm putting guys in a box, which you're going to have to worry
36:49about with this Titans team.
36:51And I do think Brian Kelly, uh, is it Brian Callahan?
36:54Uh, no, it's, um, yeah, coach.
36:58Yeah.
36:58Yeah.
36:58So they have Brian Callahan and his dad.
37:01Bill is the one of the greatest offensive line coaches ever.
37:04Um, and you can see they're starting to get some footing on the offensive
37:07line with these young guys.
37:09Like I, you know, this is a typical, what we've seen Shanahan McVay, he's more
37:15McVay type of West coast, um, scheme.
37:19But so what you're going to see is especially early to try to get,
37:23we'll let us calm down, which is good luck to that.
37:26They're going to run a bunch of bubbles and screens and stuff like that, like
37:30just to get him a bit settled down and they're going to run outside zone.
37:35They're going to run inside zone.
37:37Like they're going to try to get you going, you know, back and forth.
37:40Um, so, you know, I'm worried a lot about that, but I think with the state
37:45of the Patriots sort of run defense, which I don't think it was better last
37:49week, but I still don't think it's good.
37:51I think the only way they have a chance is to, to play more man coverage, to drop
37:55a safety down in the box and, you know, make sure you're on your P's and Q's.
38:00And I think if they can build on what they did last week, uh, you
38:03know, that's really good.
38:04I, I wouldn't, I'm not going to worry about, um, blitzing will
38:09Levis he'll create turnovers on his own.
38:11He'll act, he'll act sped up even when you're not speeding him up.
38:16Uh, so I think that definitely plays into the hands of Demarcus
38:19Covington and the Patriots defense.
38:22You mentioned the offensive line of Tennessee, and I'm just
38:25shocked at the numbers, uh, given the talent that they have and the fact
38:29that they have bill Callahan as their coach, I mean, they are 31st in
38:34the league in, in pressure rate given up.
38:36So the second worst past protection, offensive line and football, uh, and
38:41that's not just the next gen stat.
38:43They're also 30th in ESPNs past block win rate.
38:46Their past protection has been God awful.
38:49And you mentioned it, Greg, about the blitz.
38:51It's interesting.
38:52Given those numbers, you might think, oh, maybe teams are
38:55going after the offensive line.
38:56They're not.
38:57Tennessee has faced the ninth lowest blitz rate in the league.
39:01So teams are not blitzing them, but they're getting home.
39:04Now, some of that could be on Levis, of course, not recognizing
39:07certain things up front.
39:09Um, so there's, there's certainly part of that, but they've had issues.
39:13They've had issues with protecting Levis, some of that on the old line,
39:17some of that on him, but you certainly feel like if you have five or six
39:20guys at the line, like you had last week against the jets playing man
39:22coverage and being a little more aggressive upfront that you could
39:26cause some issues and by the way, Levis is practicing and he's throwing.
39:29So it looks like he has a good shot of playing this week.
39:32All right.
39:32Offense, Greg Patriots offense.
39:34If you're Alex van Pelt, you're watching this Titans defense.
39:38I will say this.
39:40You're watching a defense.
39:41That's pretty damn good.
39:43They are, they're a ninth in the league and DVOA defensively.
39:48Uh, people might look at the 52 points in last week's game against
39:53Detroit and put that on the defense.
39:55Five of those drives for Detroit started inside the Tennessee, you know, at the
40:00Tennessee or inside the Tennessee 26 yard line, so they had a bunch of
40:05short fields because of turnovers.
40:07What do you see on the defense?
40:09Yeah.
40:09Um, their rust rush defense is top 10 in the league.
40:13Um, it's very good.
40:14I mean, it's, you have to take care of Jeffrey Simmons on the inside.
40:18I mean, he is a, he's always been a game wrecker.
40:21Um, he always seems to have pretty good, uh, games against, uh, the Patriots when
40:26they do get a chance to, to match up, um, Harold Landry, uh, on the edge, the BC kid.
40:32Um, really good.
40:33Um, you know, so, uh, you know, we say it every week and probably coming off
40:39the concussion, it's definitely not going to happen this week, but, you know, you
40:42think you would like to, to help out the run game a little bit by incorporating,
40:46you know, Drake may running the ball a little bit, but I don't
40:48think that's going to happen.
40:50Um, they still, the Patriots do still need to run the ball.
40:54And I thought that was a really good job by Alex van Pelt last week.
40:57I mean, even though I think, uh, Stevenson at the end had like 20
41:01carries for like 52 yards or something like that, like a lot
41:06of those were important carries.
41:08Like, you know, they, they're, he's so physical.
41:10They're like, you know, body blows and keeps things honest.
41:14And, you know, they, there was a, I think we talked about it before
41:17there was one run to the right where, uh, you know, it was a toss play to the
41:22right and it should have been minus five and Stevenson ends up picking one yard.
41:26And that was one of the greatest, like one yard runs I've ever seen in my life.
41:29And so, you know, it tires out the defense a little bit.
41:32Um, you know, I do worry about, uh, you know, the, the, the Titans
41:38turning the Patriots over a little bit.
41:40Those safeties, uh, are sort of ball Hawks.
41:43I mean, I'm definitely going over, uh, after Brownlee junior, uh, the rookie
41:48cornerback who usually lines up on the left, but also really Nick, what you
41:52just talked about in terms of last week and, you know, the score not really
41:56telling you what happened in the game.
41:58We do need to mention that the Titans special teams are freaking horrendous.
42:05Like, I mean, we're talking like all time bad Aaron shots, uh, with
42:09his DVO way said that the Titans are the fourth worst special teams unit
42:14since 1979 in terms of their metrics.
42:18So, uh, I think this is the type of game, especially like with Patriots
42:24teams pass, like Belichick teams pass where this was, you know, they always
42:29seem to be like one special teams game a year where they made a huge difference.
42:32And everyone's like, see, that's why we take 15 special teams players.
42:37For games like this, when they could really just beat the opponent straight
42:41up, but this has all the makings that this could be a special teams sort
42:47of game for the Patriots and, uh, and take the pressure off the
42:51other two phases of the game.
42:54We should add that, uh, Sneed is dealing with an injury.
42:58Uh, he's been deemed, he's been deemed week to week.
43:01So, uh, I don't think he's expected to play this weekend, which
43:05obviously would, uh, be a pretty big deal for that Tennessee defense.
43:09Again, he did not practice yesterday called week to week, which usually
43:14means it's going to be an injury that keeps them out for a little while.
43:16Speaking of injuries, before we get to our prediction, uh, I will update
43:20you because as we record this, finally getting information from Patriots
43:24practice, uh, Mark Daniels of mass live just tweeted out that Drake may is
43:28throwing, uh, he did more today than they saw him do yesterday, which of
43:32course they didn't see him do anything yesterday, but he was out there at the
43:36start of practice leading individual drills, according to Mike Giardi.
43:41And, uh, looks like at least since he was out there at the beginning and
43:46leading drills, looks like he is most likely in phase four.
43:51Now, what does that mean?
43:53Uh, if he gets through today's practice, he will then have to, I saw Brian
43:57Hoyer talk about this on the game plan.
43:59He did a great job because obviously he played the position, had concussions,
44:02knows exactly what they have to do.
44:04Drake has to, after today, he's going to go through some like balance testing and
44:10they also he'll, he'll do like a test on the computer and they go back to his
44:14baseline, uh, which Brian Hoyer said probably took place in June when he
44:20came in for, you know, mini camp.
44:22So he'll have to at least meet the neurological baseline that he had back
44:28in June, if not exceed that baseline.
44:30So phase four physical activity, he's going through what he's
44:34got to go through.
44:35And then he will meet with the independent neuroscientist and they
44:40will run him through some of these other tests off the field.
44:43And if he passes that, then he's pretty much cleared.
44:47So, uh, it looks like,
44:50yeah, I was just going to say it.
44:52So it looks like, uh, unless there's some sort of setback, uh, Drake
44:56may, we'll be starting on Sunday.
44:57Looks like he's taking the next step, which is a great news.
45:00All right.
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45:18This week's pick let's get to it.
45:19I'm four and four against the spread.
45:21Greg is a three, four and one against the spread.
45:24Greg is five and three straight up.
45:26I am four and four straight up Tennessee Titans giving three
45:30and a half points on Sunday.
45:32The over under is 38 and a half.
45:35Greg, who you got?
45:37Uh, provided Drake may place.
45:40Um, you know, this is, uh, sort of like, uh, the next step challenge for him.
45:46Um, you know, I do think that I, I, I do think that the, the Titans are going
45:52to present, um, are going to present issues for the Patriots.
45:57Uh, but, um, again, you know, I think this is going to be a really good game.
46:04I think that, um, I just like, I'd like Drake may over Will
46:08Levis and the quarterback matchup.
46:10I mean, I just don't, I trust Drake may a lot more, uh, than Will Levis.
46:15Now, you know, part of me wants to say this could be like an old, like
46:19AFC East turnover, touchdown battle, uh, between these two quarterbacks.
46:25Uh, I could see them airing it out and, you know, making plays for both teams.
46:29It could be a fun sort of crazy game like that, but, um, I like may over
46:35Levis and I think he's going to do a better job, I think he's going to outplay him.
46:38So I'm going to go Patriots, uh, 23, uh, Titans 17.
46:50Titans defense will play games up front.
46:52They love playing games up front, uh, the old spin, the dial kind of stuff.
46:56So it will be a challenging game for either quarterback that plays for the
47:00Patriots, but I look at Tennessee and the little things, right?
47:05Cause neither of these teams are great.
47:07They haven't been able to put it together consistently.
47:10So I look at things like special teams.
47:12I look at things like turnovers and I'm going to go with the Patriots.
47:16I'm going to go with the Patriots.
47:18I think it's going to be lower scoring than Greg does.
47:20I would take the under, I would take the three and a half points.
47:23Um, so I, I like the Patriots winning this game.
47:26I'll say, I don't know, you know, 17, 13, somewhere in that range.
47:32Um, I don't think, uh, I don't know if either offense is going to be explosive
47:36or move the football very well.
47:37So, but I would, I would take the Patriots, uh, of course, turnovers
47:41can change everything, but that's how I feel about it.
47:43He's Greg Omnick, uh, enjoy the weekend of football, everybody.
47:47Uh, happy Halloween.
47:49If you're watching, listening on Thursday, this gets out Thursday and,
47:52uh, we'll be back early next week to recap Titans Patriots.

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