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00:00To make the NBA better move the three-point line back
00:04I'm talking about backpacks Donny. These dudes are pulling up Dame staffer the Trey young
00:11Man, make make bring the essence of the game back. Give us some variety that that would be one. All right
00:18Also, I got a text from Bonte
00:21He said it's political not race
00:23They don't like politics
00:24But to me that still falls under the the same umbrella of they've empowered these athletes. Let me ask you this Donny
00:31I'm just going here. Does the NBA have a Kaitlyn Clark?
00:35Do they have that's not or is he at Duke right now? He ain't at Duke. She played four years
00:41She's considered one of the greatest college players ever like he's a good college player, but he's only gonna play one year
00:47But why the WNBA ratings up and the NBA's are going the other way more enjoyable to watch that
00:53And I have
00:55Let's just let's also put it into context not a lot of people watch the WNBA in comparison
01:01So they've got they've gotten a boost from Kaitlyn Clark and to a lesser degree
01:05Angel Rhea, so let's let's take some calls on this. Let's go to Steve in Concord. What's going on Steve in Concord?
01:14Not too much. Great to talk to both of you guys. I love your show. Thank you
01:19I'm just gonna go from from my perspective. It just me is an NBA fan is a sports fan in general
01:26the game is boring and
01:29It's just not fun to watch in any given night when I tune in to pick your game on TV
01:34I don't know who's going to play. So it's like am I gonna be able to watch the Stars?
01:39Nope, not most the time but you don't see that
01:43So a boring product and it's like a bunch of three-pointers a bunch of turnovers bad defense for most the game
01:50Fourth-quarters are pretty fun to watch but other than that
01:53It's like and I have so many more things that can entertain me that I it
01:58Basketball games take two and a half to three hours. Now. I have a family. I have a job
02:03It's just so much effort and time go into that feels like I don't want to watch a bad product
02:08Yeah, so I'm gonna waste my time doing something
02:11I'd much prefer something that entertains me and at the end of the day, it's my entertainment value
02:16Am I being entertained by the product and if it's no then I'm gonna find something else that does well said
02:22I think oh god finish. I think I think I think politics does play like a tiny part
02:28But it's more the boring of the game because again if I'm looking to be entertained
02:32I'm sometimes trying to escape politics not get fed right back into it. Thanks Steve. Appreciate the call
02:38Good
02:40Point
02:42There's one I wanted to pile on to and said he was bored
02:46He's got a job. Oh, that was a whole baseball. There's this thing up the game though, like I'll bet you
02:53ESPN when did ESPN start? Oh my god 80s
02:5830 years ago, right?
02:59Okay, there's a full schedule of NBA games and ESPN is now doing SportsCenter and they're showing highlights. Yeah
03:09Isn't how many highlights what are the highlights of 30 years ago a
03:15Passing fast breaks don't dunks. Yeah dunks
03:19Great passes fast break. I'll say three on two
03:23Yeah, it wasn't a 20 foot jump shot or a 25 foot jumper
03:28It's like now even the highlights for the NBA are
03:33Okay, yeah, he made a three after two passes it's like that's not a great highlight, but I'm crying I hear you
03:39So what can you what?
03:41Realistically, can you do but to try to deter him from taking so many and that's why I'm lobbying for to move it back
03:48That's all you can really do man. Take it out
03:52Take it out Wow
03:55Wow, I have never thought of we survived 40 years without it
04:00What would the Players Association say to that, I don't know I mean a man would look what you just said Wow
04:07The reality imagine watching a game with yes three
04:11Absolutely
04:12Yes, that's what every game used to look like about it and you didn't even think
04:19Look the goal of basketball when Naismith put up the peach basket
04:25The goal of a team was to get a shot close to the basket a higher percentage shot
04:33But no, we have think about this
04:35That was the whole point of the game and we instituted a rule that said actually, you know
04:40What let's give more points if you make a shot from somewhere where nobody even thought of shooting
04:46And now that's become a free throw to some it's taking the big man
04:51Stop it though what it is, but what if they did take it away good, you know
04:56I guess the other thing and here's the part that I disagree with. Oh
05:00You're just like Steph Curry would still be a great player. He would still be a great player
05:07but
05:08You wouldn't get
05:1050% more points for one particular shot and we can't forget analytics though Stani that that's what this is about
05:18To not do you have the guys to do it the math tells us to do it
05:22Even though we're not good at it and ie
05:25Charlotte and who was at Chicago the other night?
05:29Let's go to Joe in San Jose. What's up, Joe? How you doing?
05:34Hey, what's up, I
05:37Thought that the infusion of a Larry Bird and the Magic Johnson in the late 70s is what promoted basketball to the level
05:46That it became it did and the skills the skill set of a J will and a
05:53pistol Pete Maravich was which was kind of you know, you
05:57Didn't get to see a lot of that unless you had SportsCenter or ESPN and people didn't have cable didn't get to see that
06:04I think we losing a lot because the people are promoted at different positions
06:09Don't scout the game the way the way that they should because you got a player from Oakland University
06:16A lot of people think it's Oakland City, but it's in Detroit. He's shooting 50% from threes and
06:22So you talk about moving at the three-point?
06:25Shot out of the game and when it came from the ABA and it what is what encouraged the game to play?
06:30But a lot of different cultures. I don't think that would be a good idea. You know, I think that
06:36With the American dollar failing across the world that people are coming here to try to help it out
06:43You know got athletes come in here because they love basketball, too
06:47You got South Sudan almost got a medal in the Olympics that you know
06:51There was a South Sudan, you know a player that dunked on LeBron James, you know, I love basketball
07:00Ground zero
07:02Michigan so I'm ground zero. I'm a Flintstone, but the school I went to that won three straight championship
07:07Yeah, that's not even a school anymore
07:09They've taken basketball out of the inner city and you got to go to some kind of Academy now just to play basketball
07:16Mmm, I appreciate the call. Yeah. No, I appreciate the call
07:20The NBA has elevated the game around the world
07:25It's more popular than now than it's ever been but the games the ratings are less less fun to watch than it's ever been
07:33Let's go to Tony in Pacifica. Hey Tony, what's going on, man?
07:38Hey, what's up, Stiney? How you doing? Hey
07:42Hey, so for me, we I agree. We got to get rid of the three-point line
07:47And and bring and bring the dunk back, you know, none of these guys really even watch dr
07:52J or any of these guys that used to really bring the dunks on there around the world
07:57You know all of these things dude, these guys don't know nothing about that
08:01secondly
08:04Bird use the three-point shot to put the dagger in people right courage use the three-pointer all day, right?
08:10The difference is is birdshot
08:121750 over his career curry's got 8,500. Who do you think the better shooter is who's had more shots?
08:19Yeah, doesn't mean he's a better shooter doesn't mean he's a better player bird 150 and 50 and one at home
08:27Nobody's ever else has ever done that speak on
08:34The the Greek you remember Jimmy the Greek
08:41Remember what he said when he what happened when he said the black was the better athlete than the white guy
08:46He got canceled. He got fired. That's right
08:51I'm all for whoever the better person is for the job. I'm all for I don't care what color you are
08:56Okay, what you're doing? It's obviously gone
08:59Way too far it's gone political you're taught racism. You're not born it. It isn't born into you. You're taught it
09:05No one's teaching this racism shit anymore. All right, you gotta get in. I knew I knew it. I knew it
09:12And again study do I want to three out the game? No, but I just I don't know why I've never gone there to
09:18Imagining the NBA players or college for that matter high school playing a game without the three line
09:24It's it's got to be a fine balance
09:26But the one thing right now is everybody's playing like they have a Steph Curry and I missed a mid-range
09:33I'm missing a couple guys do it. I missed the block. So I don't I don't know Adam Silver
09:39Oh my gosh, man
09:41And I wonder what the late great David Stern would think about the game that he would sit down and watch now. I
09:49Don't know I
09:50Don't know I just and what realistically can you do?
09:54That's the rat on the table. What can you do?
09:57You can put they put a three-point line in for God's sakes. They can do whatever the hell they want
10:03Phil Jackson ten years ago said let's make a four-point shot. I hated every
10:08If you don't like a four-point shot, why do you like a three-point shot? Oh
10:12Cuz three is just right. No, it's not
10:15not anymore and
10:17And they
10:19Like when they put the three-point line in no one in a million years ever thought that some but that they were going to be
10:26Able to make 35 or 40 percent of them
10:28But you know what once they put the line in then we had a whole generation of kids
10:35Practicing 26 footers like not even Larry Bird or the greatest shooters of the past
10:42Practiced shooting from that far out because there was no line the curry impact. So
10:47Let's go to Laura in Marin. Hey, what's up, Laura? How you doing?
10:53Well, thank you, how are you guys doing? Well, happy holiday
10:58Happy holidays to you guys. Um, I called in it's sort of off-topic now
11:03But I first of all, I want to say how much I absolutely
11:07Love your show and everywhere. I'm driving around. I am listening to the game and I so appreciate
11:14That I feel you're you're framing everything in terms of the hero's journey and the human spirit
11:20I'm fascinated by all the discussions
11:23And the only reason I called is that the gentleman a while back said that he gets bored of the talk about the Warriors
11:30Wanted you guys to move on to college. I wanted to just be a voice to say
11:35There is no amount of Warriors talk that's too much for me
11:40There you go, yeah
11:44Thank Thank You Laura appreciate the call
11:46Yeah, and this is fair from the nine to five on the Comcast business text line, man. You guys sound old
11:53The game is going to keep evolving and the three is here to stay
11:58News flash not everyone agrees with you guys
12:00This is such a boomer take that you guys have 90s basketball was boring post-up play is nowhere near as fun to watch
12:08Well, listen, I I'm not just one dimensional. The reason we're talking about it is because
12:13the ratings are
12:17Plummeting. Yeah, so if I have that for data, but but why are the ratings plummeting don't have the
12:24Different maybe these guys think there's a different
12:26Reason why the the ratings are plumb, but no objective basketball lover would say right now
12:32The NBA is giving you a variety. It is too much. It's a one-trick pony
12:36I still watch it, but it is a one-trick pony style Stony and I remember when it wasn't it was a plethora of
12:44What how the game of basketball was so beautiful and what what you would see on any given night now, it's just duck
12:52Because the threes are coming
12:54D's in Oakland
12:56What's going on D? How you doing, man?
12:59Hey gurus daddy, what's happening with Joe? Hey doing well
13:05It's nice to do to get acknowledged on your first for moon for
13:10Baby happy holidays, you know, you know, happy holidays for you, too
13:17Okay, I have a boomer too so whoever talking about that boomer man, he can go where he know he can go but anyway
13:24I was raised loving basketball to just like y'all man, you know straight out play it out here in Mosswood and all but as far as
13:31What we talking about? It's not even just the game for me. It's the over saturation
13:37So like you say it's tiny we have only ESPN you might add on only head on local stations, man
13:43Come on, I'll go bar far as bad warriors was okay. BHK TV 44. Somebody hear me
13:49for the wall
13:54He figured out sport it what he was for sinner it was called sports some but it wasn't even sports channel just for sports
14:01Yeah, you go
14:05So now it's over saturation may I turn on the TV right now
14:09It's 1230 in the afternoon on a Wednesday, and I'm gonna see how I from some dude
14:13I ain't never seen before telling me how good some dude is on the Cleveland Cavaliers
14:19Ronald Raptors, man. I don't care nothing about them news
14:22I mean, I love basketball but like like go talk about like y'all talk about show me a good
14:29Slam dunk show me a good become big
14:31But my tombo shot block man only to see the body hit a three that didn't nothing, you know
14:37but then the other thing the other thing the other a
14:40Parameter I want to use and I know I want to make my point cook cook quick because a lot of people's way to take
14:45But it's also the fact that I just do believe it's not just an oversaturation of
14:50Availability. I mean, come on. Nobody's new to technology. But to me is the oversaturation the teams man. I get you
14:57We grew up when I was only 20 18
15:002016 how many teams we got right now y'all 35 30
15:04I mean, I'm kind of just being I got a feeling ceiling. I got you D 30 30. I listen
15:11The last thing I'm gonna say that
15:13Everybody ain't meant to be a professional athlete. I'm sorry
15:17Just because the team's available don't mean you should be in the kit just cuz the kitchen is open on me
15:22You should be in the kitchen cooking
15:24Appreciate it
15:27You want some teams
15:30Well, I hate to break it to him but it's gonna be two more coming in five years boy
15:35Hopefully Seattle and Vegas. Oh
15:38My guess Seattle and Vegas, oh, yeah, I would take those two. I mean Vegas is I had nothing but gambling
15:47209 90s basketball was boring. I'm actually not talking about the 90s because I agree with you. The 90s was too physical
15:54The game is about having a balance and you're I didn't like the 90s
15:5990s was bad, but I didn't know anything else. Oh
16:03We knew the 80s. Yeah
16:05With the 80s gave way to the 90s and the 90s was Jeff Van Gundy
16:1110 Pat Riley morning and and Mike Fratello
16:15winning games
16:1687 80 I love that league. Yeah
16:21I'm telling you study. I'm a deep. Okay, so I never watched the game thinking what the hell am I watching?
16:28It made me go on my ass off when I play pickup ball like defense man
16:34And when guys it wasn't defense it was wrestling and see like that's what happened in the 90s
16:41Physicality was over
16:43Exactly. So then you got more non players in the game and more physical guys that were unskilled
16:51You got to have a balance
16:54Jake and Vallejo, what's up? Jake? How you doing, man?
16:58I'm doing good. What's going on fellas?
17:01Hey
17:02Hello. So, uh, I think man with my opinion one of the biggest things across the board in professional sports
17:08There's just no killer instinct. It's frowned upon
17:11you know I'm saying like
17:14NFL specifically you can't hit nobody
17:17NBA there's no Mamba mentality and it's not taught in youth sports
17:20Everybody's taught you mentioned earlier that's supposed to be like a fraternity or that people were acting like it was a fraternity
17:26It's because everybody's getting taught let's be friends. Let's be buddies
17:30So when you get on the court, you're not really doing what you're supposed to do to win the game
17:35You know I'm saying football. You're not even able to hit nobody. Why do we got so many running quarterbacks?
17:40They're protected your D. It's not even fun to play defense no more. You make a clean hit
17:45It's the flag and it's in that's discouraging and it's discouraging to watch right?
17:51I mean, it's fun saying, you know, Josh Allen put up 45 points. I guess I like defense
17:56I like Ray Lewis or lacquers at water slot. I like that
18:00And so when you're not seeing that kind of action
18:02It's like you got people quitting in the third quarter because they're not being raised to play the game and play it hard and fit
18:09Well, not so physical like you were saying but playing it physical and getting getting dirty getting grimy
18:15You gotta take it to the hole getting there around people. You're gonna do what you got to do football. It's the same thing
18:21well, I'm not no more because
18:23Yeah, I know thanks Jake we got we got a ton of people that want to want to get in here
18:30On what's going on with the NBA and why viewership is down that's that's where we
18:35stumbled upon this topic if you're unaware the NBA ratings are plummeting and
18:41We're trying to figure out why over the last decade. Yeah, 48% over the last 10 years. Mm-hmm
18:48Why
18:50What then we're just asking why and is there is there a way to fix it?
18:55Like I I do think and I I think absolutely
18:58That the money these guys are making is a turnoff. No, no, no
19:04It's not well, it might be to some but the money there's an understanding among players that the money is so
19:13incredible that
19:15the biggest
19:18priority is maintaining that money and
19:21Keeping that money and that's a big reason why the NBA is now one big fraternity
19:27because even though guys are on other teams
19:29it's about protecting everybody's money and making as much money as you can and not really rocking the boat and
19:38just
19:40Just playing rather than
19:43Rather than trying to win as much as maybe hey
19:46Evan do you think people do you think athletes now want to win as much as they did on?
19:53balance 30 years ago
19:55Yes, but there's less as there's less incentive to do so. Gotcha. Gotcha. I mean the NBA Cup is exhibit a
20:0230 years ago $50,000 is a massive sum of money. Now. It's like a drop in the bucket
20:07Someone literally said I think it might have been
20:10Gosh Lou Williams someone on who's not playing anymore said that that
20:13$50,000 would go towards partying or J. R. Smith said it
20:17$50,000 that I get is extra money. I didn't account for so I'm blowing it in one night
20:22Wow, and I'll say this to that Evan it's not a you didn't ask
20:26But one of the pleasures I had was watching the Olympics in the team USA
20:31Because the teams they were playing wanted to beat their ass
20:34They it was no fraternity then and I know there were some crossovers guys playing on their hometown team and playing in the NBA
20:42But it was thin and I felt like I was getting that they wanted that dub bad and there was not all the
20:50You know kumbaya, but I don't know how you police it
20:54But I know whose problem this is and it's Adam Silver's and it seems like today when I woke up
21:00The file on his desk is the three-pointer and I would just love to know what are his what are your do you have even
21:08Any options and hearing you say ban it or take it out?
21:13Just just hit me like wow. I couldn't even imagine a basketball game
21:18NBA with no three-pointer. Yeah, well
21:22There used to be a time when nobody could imagine a three-point line even now being a part of basketball
21:28Let's go to
21:30Mike in Santa Clara. What's up, Mike? How you doing, man?
21:35Hey, good afternoon guys
21:37Happy holidays to you. I just wanted to just kind of weigh in you know, I do think that
21:45You know some of the physicality
21:49Does come into effect in signing? I I know you said you don't 100% agree with that, but I also
21:56Just feel that with these soft fouls
22:00Are ridiculous
22:02And that's where I mean, that's where I'm coming from on the physicality
22:05I'm touched you get touched on the arm, you know
22:09You're you're you get touched on the arm and it's a freaking foul, right? You know, I mean, it's ridiculous
22:14I I just don't agree with how the foul calling is put into it
22:19But the other way I wanted to pivot to also was I just don't think the marketing is as great as it used to be
22:26NBA has always had a history of having arguably the best marketing on the team, you know, for example
22:34Just the other day
22:35I saw a remake but with like claymation or whatever with them doing the jingle bells thing
22:42Or we wish you a Merry Christmas or whatever with claymation rather than actually having real people
22:48You know real players on there doing it. I was just like are you freaking kidding me?
22:52Is this where how lazy that the NBA marketing team has gotten where they're doing that just because it's already happened
23:00So I think it's again a matter of like how soft the fouls are
23:03I personally also think that they should push they should push the three-point line out as well. I'll let you go guys
23:10No, thanks Mike. Appreciate the call. Yeah, they've basically outlawed
23:15Contesting a three-point shot. They've essentially outlawed it