Are the Celtics' crunch time issues THAT concerning? | First to Floor
The Boston Celtics have suffered some nasty crunch-time losses this season, often on National TV for all to see. But how do their crunch-time issues compare to other contenders? How do they compare to the 2008 championship Celtics?
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00:00 [Music]
00:25 Welcome in to another episode of First to the Floor. Ben Vallis here. Thank you for joining us.
00:29 Hope you're doing well. I think we're all doing pretty well after that hilarious and timely collapse
00:33 by the Milwaukee Bucks against the LeBron-less Lakers last night. Alongside me, Wayne Spooney and Jake Eisenberg.
00:38 How's it going, guys?
00:40 Doing good. Guys, real quick. Do you know who Kaitlyn Clark is, right?
00:44 Oh, yeah.
00:45 I think she's becoming a LeBron-like figure to me in the hate catalog.
00:49 Oh, no! Wow. Say more.
00:51 Yeah, they beat WVU in the second round of the Women's March Madness.
00:56 Oh, is that? Okay.
00:57 They shot 33 free throws. WVU shot 5.
01:01 Dame was tweeting about it. Dame tweeted like, "WVU's getting screwed, man."
01:05 So, anyway, I'm doing good other than that.
01:08 That's tough. I like her from what I've seen from far away.
01:13 But, yeah, obviously, there's nothing that she could do to me personally because
01:18 Massachusetts doesn't have a WNBA team and I don't have a college.
01:25 You got the Connecticut sun up in New England, man.
01:30 Yeah.
01:31 As long as she's young. That would hurt.
01:33 I don't know about you, Jake. I've completely latched on to WVU through screenings.
01:39 The first college hoops person I've known.
01:42 So, I'm like, "That's my rat and die team now."
01:44 I'm sorry.
01:45 Yeah, I blame you.
01:47 Mine's kind of Clemson. One of my best friends is from Clemson.
01:50 And so, all my friends from high school went to school in America.
01:56 So, Clemson, Penn State, a few random ones.
02:00 I've been to University of Miami for a weekend. That was cool.
02:03 It's a dope campus.
02:04 I visited there when I was looking for grad school.
02:07 Very cool. Big frat party, giant mansion, everybody naked.
02:11 I can understand why people like it down there.
02:15 That might be an off-season pod right there, Jake.
02:18 You can hear in that story.
02:20 Naked-ish.
02:21 Yeah, naked-ish.
02:22 Okay. Appropriately naked.
02:25 Now, we've got a fun one coming up.
02:26 We're going to get to everyone's favorite unsponsored segment, the Shard of a Photo Report.
02:30 We're going to talk about the Celtics' crunch time issues and whether or not they're actually that bad.
02:34 And we're going to talk about the upcoming Game 2 of the two-game miniseries against the Atlanta Hawks.
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03:18 This week, I'm going to break down what the Celtics should be doing at the end of games instead of what they are doing.
03:26 And a little bit of stats.
03:28 I tweeted out some stats today about their shots.
03:31 That I'll bring up on this pod in the last two minutes of games.
03:34 So a little more narrow focus than crunch time and just getting into the nitty-gritty there.
03:40 Timely.
03:41 Already better time management than the Boston Celtics.
03:43 Amazing.
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04:03 Alright, guys, let's get right into it.
04:04 Everybody's favorite unsponsored segment, the shot of a photo report.
04:07 [Shot of a photo report]
04:31 The Milwaukee Schmucks, guys.
04:33 124-128 loss in Double OT to the LeBron-less Lakers.
04:37 The Bucs held a 19-point lead in the fourth quarter.
04:40 A familiar tale.
04:41 One that Celtics fans might be familiar with.
04:43 Austin Reeves had a good game.
04:45 A triple-double also.
04:46 A similar tale to what Celtics fans might be familiar with.
04:49 But the Lakers had a 27-13 fourth quarter to force the game into overtime and eventually win in Double OT.
04:56 Jake, I feel inclined to throw to you here first.
04:59 Because this is a Jake Eisenberg segment here.
05:02 How does this one make you feel?
05:04 What should Celtics fans take away from this one?
05:06 This one really got me going.
05:07 I got to be honest.
05:08 This one really, really tipped me over the edge.
05:11 And I've been trying to figure it out.
05:13 Why does everybody freak out after a Celtics loss, etc, etc.
05:16 Everybody's been slobbering all over the Bucs.
05:19 They won one game against the Thunder.
05:21 And every podcast is like, "Oh my God, here they come."
05:23 And I figured it out.
05:24 I mean, it's essentially like, whatever the thing is that rarely happens.
05:28 That's what sticks out in people's minds.
05:30 Celtics lose a game, people freak out.
05:32 Pistons win a game.
05:34 The NBA world was never more locked in than they were during the Pistons losing streak.
05:39 So them winning a game was big news.
05:41 And the Bucs winning a big game and playing well against a big opponent is big news.
05:46 But this, I mean, look.
05:47 The lack of self-awareness from Bucs fans is truly astounding.
05:52 I understand wanting to come at the Celtics after they blow that Hawks game.
05:55 I get it.
05:56 The game is the game.
05:57 We're all out here for the takes.
05:59 But do you not realize at this point in the season that your team is more likely than not to embarrass you 24 hours later or less?
06:06 Like, this is what's happened in the last 26 games since Doc Rivers has taken over.
06:11 Blew a 19th point fourth quarter lead to the LeBron-less Lakers at home yesterday.
06:14 Lost to the Celtics.
06:16 Blown out by 35 to the Kings.
06:17 Lost to the LeBron and AD-less Lakers.
06:20 D'Lo goes off for 44 points.
06:21 The last time D'Lo scored 40 was in 2019.
06:24 Lost to the Wolves.
06:26 Blown out by 35 to the Warriors.
06:28 Blew a game down the stretch against the Memphis Grizzlies.
06:30 Blown out by 26 against the Heat.
06:32 Lost to the Suns.
06:33 Blown out by the Jazz.
06:34 Blew a crunch time game against the Blazers.
06:37 Lost to the Nuggets.
06:38 That's 12 losses in the last 26 games.
06:41 Do you know how far back you have to go to find 12 Celtics losses?
06:45 December fucking 4th.
06:48 That's how far back you have to go to find 12 Celtics losses.
06:51 Four months.
06:52 Four months.
06:53 The Bucks are frauds.
06:54 Their Mickey Mouse ring is nonsense.
06:57 They would never have been anywhere near the finals
06:59 if not for a Kyrie ankle and a hardened hamstring.
07:02 They played the Trae Young Hawks in the conference finals.
07:05 They got to play Chris Paul-led Phoenix Suns and DeAndre Ayton
07:09 in the finals.
07:10 Mickey Mouse ring and then they turn around and say that,
07:13 "Oh my God, we would have won that Celtics series
07:15 if we had Middleton," while not realizing
07:17 they wouldn't have sniffed the conference finals,
07:19 let alone the finals, if not for the decimation
07:21 of the Brooklyn Nets.
07:23 Oh, and by the way, Damon shot under 40% from the field
07:26 in 29 games this year.
07:27 That's 43% of all of his games shooting below 40%.
07:32 They're frauds.
07:33 Fuck the Bucks.
07:34 We're going to the finals.
07:37 I don't know how the hell I follow that, but yeah, fuck the Bucks.
07:40 We're going to the finals.
07:42 This game was like the morning Bloody Mary
07:45 after you had too many drinks and the Hawks loss was,
07:50 I got way too drunk for how old I am.
07:53 I puked a little bit, and then you wake up
07:55 and you get the hair of the dog and you're like,
07:57 "All right, I'm starting to feel pretty good again all of a sudden."
07:59 It was such a vintage Doc Rivers coach team performance
08:06 where he's just confused as the lead's melting away
08:10 and basically does nothing different,
08:12 and they just completely fall apart.
08:15 It reminded me a bit of game six in our second round series
08:20 against the Sixers where it's like Tatum's going nuts
08:22 and they're just letting it happen.
08:24 They're not throwing doubles at him.
08:26 He hits two threes.
08:27 He hits three.
08:28 He hits four, and Doc's like, "Oh, what just happened?"
08:30 Someone just punched him in the face.
08:32 It's just, man, I needed that because that Hawks game,
08:35 that kind of got me down.
08:37 I know it means nothing and it was not a big deal
08:39 and we were missing both of our starting guards,
08:41 but that's just a shitty way to lose.
08:44 But thanks, Bucks.
08:45 You just always count on the Bucks to completely embarrass themselves
08:48 immediately after we do.
08:51 After any Celtics game, and in this case,
08:54 after a loss to the Hawks, for me it's sigh, deep sigh,
08:59 Control-T, new tab, twitter.com,
09:01 "All right, let's see what the discussion is."
09:03 You just knew what was coming, the avalanche of negativity
09:06 after that Hawks game, and then the knowledge
09:08 of having to wait two days before a shot at redemption.
09:11 You know that the Celtics, I would hope so,
09:13 are going to bring it and bring their full force of vengeance
09:16 against the Hawks in this second game.
09:18 But for the Bucks to lose in this fashion,
09:21 after dancing on our grave after that loss to the Hawks,
09:24 really it shortened the window of suffering for Celtics fans.
09:26 So for that, I'm appreciative.
09:28 And it's just hugely a meaty bone for the Shard and Frodo report,
09:33 exactly what we needed to get this segment up off the ground again.
09:37 So good stuff.
09:38 I was so excited, dude, when that thing--
09:40 because I was watching it all on delay.
09:42 I'm watching this thing go down.
09:44 I'm watching it late.
09:45 I'm like, "No way. No way."
09:47 I'm like, "Oh my God, I've missed out on the party online
09:50 apparently once I finally got to overtime and then double overtime."
09:54 And then you add the fact that they had to play double overtime.
09:57 If you're going to lose, you may as well just lose in regulation.
10:00 It's like you're adding double overtime.
10:02 Yeah, dumbasses, dude.
10:04 Why don't you lose like the Celtics, like real men?
10:06 Take the next two days off in regulation.
10:09 Take the L.
10:10 And it's like Dane, Bjarne, Brooke, and Middleton all aging.
10:14 And you have to play--
10:16 Everybody was dead at the end of that game.
10:18 And it's like now they got to--
10:19 And these games matter so much more to the Bucks.
10:22 Now they fall even closer towards the three.
10:26 And am I wrong, but are they sneaky in danger of falling into the 4-5?
10:33 There are only two and a half games up on the fourth seed right now.
10:36 It's like not what you want at all.
10:40 Like these games definitely matter for them purely for the standings perspective,
10:43 but also can they play good for a week in a row
10:47 before the rest of the fucking media goes, "Look at them go."
10:50 Like the Celtics were 20-2.
10:52 Or what is it? 20-3?
10:54 20-3?
10:55 Yeah, 20-3.
10:56 What do we do, indeed?
10:58 Which is a 71 win pace over a full season.
11:01 I did the math today.
11:03 The Celtics last 23 games, they're winning at a 71 win pace,
11:06 and the Bucks are 500 essentially, and they're crowning the Bucks.
11:10 But the hubris of Bucks fans--
11:12 I remember that Kyrie season when it was all falling apart
11:16 and the team clearly hated each other.
11:18 I was not dancing on graves.
11:20 I was like, "Man, this feels like it's going to fail catastrophically in the playoffs."
11:25 But these dudes, they don't give a shit.
11:28 They're out there like, "Oh, the Celtics lost. Ha ha ha ha."
11:31 Dude, your team has a negative net rating in March.
11:34 Maybe look in the mirror a little bit.
11:37 I can't believe that they set themselves up for these disappointments.
11:40 I would be a little more humble on the internets if that was my team.
11:45 Yeah, and this gassing up Middleton as well,
11:48 where you only have to watch a couple of Bucks games
11:50 to notice the pattern of any time they have a crucial defensive possession,
11:53 Middleton is firmly on the bench and no way to be seen out on the court
11:57 because his defense is dog shit.
11:59 So shout out to Bucks fans. Thank you for the content.
12:02 One more point on the Shard of Infrared report.
12:04 Before we move away from Shard of Infrared, we'll talk about some injury stuff,
12:07 which we want to make sure is properly decoupled from the Shard of Infrared report.
12:11 But the Heat got handily defeated by the Golden State Warriors yesterday.
12:16 And I believe this is the Heat commentator, correct me if I'm wrong,
12:19 anointed us the champions of the 2022 NBA season.
12:22 [crowd cheering]
12:25 Andrew Wiggins, a guy who averaged 18 points and 9 rebounds a game
12:30 in the 2022 NBA finals, which they lost to the Celtics.
12:34 [crowd cheering]
12:39 Two years ago, it was Boston in six to win it all.
12:43 One point Heat lead with under a minute left in the--
12:46 So you assume the gap in the middle is like the producer being like,
12:50 "Nah, man, that is not what happened at all."
12:52 And then he somehow comes back and doubles down on that take,
12:54 which is completely insane.
12:56 I don't know where to go with this, Spoonie,
12:58 other than what was going through this guy's mind.
13:01 It feels-- I toyed with my emotions a little bit,
13:04 because obviously it brings up some bad memories of what could have been.
13:07 But what's going on here?
13:09 I have no idea, but that's a reality I'm now choosing to live in
13:14 from here on forward.
13:16 But yeah, I think when you talk for 82 games for two and a half hours,
13:22 that's just a lot of talking.
13:24 You're just going to be out of it one day.
13:26 You know what I mean? I have bad days at work.
13:28 This dude's just not having a good brain day at work.
13:31 It happens, but don't really appreciate it.
13:34 But it does suck to bring that up, and it got some news,
13:38 and people are posting it everywhere.
13:40 It's like, "Ugh."
13:42 Sam S. Vandiari, co-host of the Light Years pod,
13:46 he tagged me being like, "Congratulations, Jake Eisenberg."
13:49 I'm like, "This is great.
13:51 Can't wait to chase Banner 19 this upcoming playoffs.
13:54 It's very exciting."
13:56 The second title of the Tatum and Jalen era is coming soon.
14:00 Yeah, hang the banner with just a little asterisk at the bottom
14:03 as per the Miami Heat commentator.
14:05 2022 champions.
14:07 All right, let's get to some news from our closest rivals and opponents,
14:12 but not part of the Shard of Freddie Report.
14:14 The first one, Patrick Beverley, seemed to announce on his pod--
14:16 I haven't heard the clip yet.
14:18 I've just read several tweets and Reddit posts about it.
14:20 He announced that he has torn ligaments in his wrist
14:23 and is weighing up surgery options and is most likely going to be out
14:27 for the season, which puts the Milwaukee Bucks in a position
14:30 where they have seemingly no backup point guard.
14:33 They lose someone who's maybe come in and gassed up their defense,
14:36 if not the actual defense, then their motivations defensively,
14:40 you might say.
14:42 Jake, what does this news bring to your mind as far as how it affects the Celtics?
14:47 Like, they need all the players they can get, really.
14:52 So this is obviously not good, but all of the numbers from Pat Bev,
14:56 like on/off, net rating stuff, they're pretty bad.
14:59 So I didn't think this was a huge deal, but then this guy tweeted--
15:03 he's a Bucks guy, Cream City, I believe is his podcast.
15:07 Wow, Bucks don't have a backup point guard, just lost the life
15:10 and soul of the defense.
15:11 This is a huge loss, much bigger than people likely think.
15:15 Wow.
15:16 I legit couldn't tell if that was satire or not.
15:19 I couldn't, but I think he's being serious because from what I'd say,
15:23 like Pat Bev's washed, and I actually think that him being on the roster
15:28 gives Doc kind of like a crutch in that he'll kind of keep going back to Bev,
15:32 even if he's not effective because he's a veteran,
15:35 that's kind of what Doc does.
15:37 The problem with the Bucks is, like, what does this mean?
15:39 It's like, do you play more Andre Jackson or Marjon Beauchamp
15:43 or AJ Green?
15:45 It's like, AJ Green?
15:47 But--or Pat Connorson.
15:50 So I don't think it really matters because they're all kind of the same player
15:53 to me, but if that's actually true, then obviously we don't want to see injuries,
15:58 and I've talked about my respect for Patrick Beverley's career,
16:02 but if that makes the Bucks worse, then that's objectively good
16:06 for the Celtics, and that's just the reality.
16:09 Yeah, like Pat Bev can kind of defend certain types of guys,
16:14 and he can make some shots, and, like, when you have--you look at that Bucks bench,
16:19 like, it appears Ty Ty Washington is, like, the only real point guard
16:25 on the bench now, and he flamed out in one of the worst Houston Rockets teams
16:29 of all time.
16:31 Like, he couldn't even make that roster.
16:33 I'm not even sure he's on a full contract.
16:35 I think he might be on a two-way for them.
16:37 The coaches don't have a lot of options, and at least Pat Bev,
16:40 in a playoff series, you know he's playable.
16:43 He might not be, like, positive.
16:45 He might be negative, but compared to some of these, like,
16:48 unknown young guys who aren't really ball handlers, or Pat Connington,
16:52 who I think has been playing a little bit better recently
16:54 but has had a pretty bad year, yeah, they just really lack depth
16:59 all over the place, and Dox doesn't do depth any favors.
17:04 I mean, he's not real creative with how he uses, like, deep bench guys.
17:08 So it's bad news for the Bucks.
17:11 It sucks for Pat Bev.
17:12 As much as I hate him on the court, when I see clips of his podcast,
17:15 he does come off quite likable, so he seems like a pretty good dude
17:18 off the court, so it's too bad.
17:21 Yeah, absolutely.
17:23 And I suppose as far as how it pertains to the Celtics
17:25 and potentially this playoff matchup, these new rules of the NBA
17:29 are unwilling to acknowledge a better allowed physicality,
17:33 defensively, that obviously benefits a player like Pat Bev,
17:36 who has made a career out of being really physical and tenacious defensively.
17:40 He's now not a presence in a potential playoff series against the Bucks.
17:44 So as much as we despise injury and we want Pat Bev to get better
17:47 as soon as possible, that takes the pressure off, I think, our guards,
17:51 and potentially you think about guards getting switched onto KP,
17:54 and no matter how small they are, KP does have trouble with that added
17:57 physicality, which we're going to get to a little bit later.
17:59 Pat Bev out of the equation obviously makes life a little bit easier
18:02 for the Celtics.
18:03 So it's that weird situation where obviously you don't wish injury
18:05 on anyone, you hope that they get better soon, but you immediately recognize
18:09 it does ease some of that pressure, I think, defensively on the Celtics
18:12 if we do see the Bucks in the playoffs.
18:14 Speaking of the playoffs, I'm going to use this to segue
18:16 to some Joel Embiid news as well.
18:18 This is the current East playoff picture.
18:20 So we've got the Pacers in sixth, and they have per--
18:24 I can't remember the name of the website, playoffseeding.com--
18:26 Playoff status.
18:27 Playoff status. Thank you, Jake.
18:29 A 41% chance of holding the sixth seed, or a 27% chance of dropping
18:33 to the seventh seed.
18:34 In seventh place, the Heat.
18:36 They're 39-33 at the moment, so one loss back from the Pacers.
18:40 They have a 37% chance of holding on to that seventh seed,
18:43 or a 22% chance of climbing to the sixth.
18:45 Then we've got in eighth-- the eighth seed, eighth seed rather,
18:49 the Sixers--too many numbers--who are 39-33, so very close to the Heat there.
18:54 The ninth seed, we've got the Bulls, and tenth, we've got the Hawks.
18:57 As it stands currently, the Heat would be in that play-in pool,
19:02 if you will, along with the Sixers, the Bulls, and the Hawks.
19:06 Jake, I know you're captain of the ship of "We want to avoid the Heat
19:11 at all costs."
19:12 How does this current play-in/playoff picture make you feel?
19:16 We're going to play the Heat in round one.
19:18 [laughs]
19:19 Yeah.
19:20 They're the worst, dude.
19:22 Jimmy Baller's is not even playing.
19:26 They just don't seem to give a shit, dude.
19:30 They're going to fall out of the playoffs one of these years,
19:33 completely, and they're going to lose both play-ins.
19:36 They almost did this last year.
19:38 That's the big hope, right, is that they just completely fall out.
19:42 I'll talk about the NBA news now just because it parallels
19:47 with this point right here, is that Woj was just on TV talking
19:53 about how they expect Embiid back when, not if.
19:57 And Nick Nurse today is saying there's a very good likelihood
19:59 that Embiid's back before the start of the playoffs/play-in.
20:03 He's going to be back.
20:05 On Simmons's podcast, he was saying the same thing,
20:07 that he's going to be back.
20:09 The Sixers fans that I've interacted with, they're all going to have
20:13 the same information.
20:15 A lot of Celtics fans in our Discord just believe that Embiid's
20:19 not going to come back, which is, I think, possible, totally.
20:23 But I think all signs are pointing to him coming back,
20:25 I'm going to guess, like, three to five games before
20:28 the regular season ends.
20:30 And if he's healthy enough-ish, and the conditionings aren't going
20:34 to be that much of an issue in that context, last five games
20:37 and then a play-in game, I'd be pretty surprised if they don't
20:40 just win that play-in game because that's kind of where
20:43 he can be really good.
20:45 It's like, okay, one game, it's not the constant burden,
20:48 the conditioning's not going to pick up, potentially.
20:50 I could see him destroying, even if the Pacers do fall in.
20:54 41% sounds like a lot because it's a lot higher than the other numbers,
20:58 but that's obviously still, you know, they're still giving a 38% chance
21:03 that they fall into the seven or the eight seed.
21:05 So, like, still a very good chance they fall in there as well.
21:09 I think Embiid would destroy the Pacers in a one game,
21:12 or the Heat as well.
21:14 Like, I think that's very possible in a one-game scenario,
21:17 which pushes the Heat into the eight seed.
21:19 I think that, to me, seems like the most likely scenario right now,
21:21 and then we're going to have to rely on either the Bulls or the Hawks
21:24 to beat the Heat in a play-in game, which is legitimately possible.
21:30 Like, the Heat aren't good enough where that's not out of the realm
21:32 of possibility, clearly, because it almost happened last year.
21:35 But I think, I mean, you know, I don't know how much everybody
21:38 believes in the power of the universe, but if you do believe in it,
21:42 then you're probably feeling more likely than not right now
21:45 we're going to get the Heat in round one.
21:47 What do you think, Spence?
21:48 The Bucks swept the Heat on their way, avenging, I think,
21:52 a first round knockout.
21:54 No, a second round knockout in the bubble, and then avenged that
21:58 with a first round sweep of the Heat when they won the title.
22:02 So, you know, maybe--
22:04 Universe, I see you and I raise you another one.
22:08 I want a Tatum's watches.
22:10 So, yeah, I will never cheer for a non-Celtics team more than I will
22:15 cheer for the Chicago Bulls or Atlanta Hawks when they play the Miami Heat
22:19 in that play-in game.
22:20 Like, I will be--I might just drive up to Chicago, or I guess it'd be
22:24 in Miami.
22:25 Damn it, that's too far away.
22:26 Ooh, yeah.
22:28 So, go ahead, Jake.
22:30 Well, as I was going to say, secondarily, like, the subplot here is
22:34 the Embiid playing the Bucks in round one is like--
22:37 That's right.
22:38 That would be huge.
22:39 See, I would--I phrase it this way because that's just the trap we've
22:43 fallen into as fans.
22:44 I would rather face the Heat in the first round if it meant that we got
22:47 to see an Embiid-Yanis-Bucks-Sixers matchup in the first round as well
22:51 in that 2-7 spot.
22:52 So, it's a sacrifice we have to be willing to make to take on the Heat
22:56 in order to see those guys just take each other to seven games, hopefully,
22:59 and exhaust each other, assuming we do get by the Heat and see one of the
23:03 most likely Yanis down the road.
23:05 What an insane thing.
23:07 Jesus.
23:08 Do we think this is, like, the one time Embiid might get stronger as the
23:12 playoffs go on as he, like, plays himself into better shape?
23:15 Like, that's the one thing I'm thinking.
23:17 He's going to be so frigging out of shape in that first round
23:19 playoff series.
23:20 It's like, do you just want him then?
23:22 You can just run him off ball screens and make him, like, guard in space
23:25 and just blow by him.
23:27 But, I don't know.
23:28 I think I would trade that for that Yanis-Embiid series.
23:33 I want it.
23:34 I know Sixers fans want it bad.
23:36 Like, they're convinced that they would win that series for a variety
23:39 of reasons, I think principal being Doc Rivers and the fact that the Bucs
23:44 aren't good, that part, too.
23:47 Not a bad call.
23:48 Well, look, when we come back, we're going to talk about the Celtics'
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25:00 Now, the Celtics crunch time issues.
25:03 Are they really that bad?
25:04 My three-minute, very shallow preliminary research and data mining suggests
25:10 maybe, yes, maybe it is that bad.
25:13 So the 2023-24 Celtics are in crunch time.
25:17 2011, pretty good, with a net rating of 19.1, which is good for 6th in the league.
25:24 And for reference there, the Bucks, who we saw shit the game down their legs
25:29 last night against the Lakers, 23-13, good for 3rd, at least in terms of
25:34 win-loss record in crunch time.
25:36 The Celtics post all-star break, however, 2-3 in crunch time games.
25:41 So under 500, with a net rating of -7, good for 19th in all rankings
25:47 post all-star break.
25:48 They're also dead last in pace on the year in crunch time, which I think
25:52 is probably the stat that jumps off the page the most and also the most obvious one.
25:58 We've got the clip here from one of the final possessions against the Hawks.
26:01 You could be forgiven for thinking that this clip was being played back to you
26:05 in slow motion.
26:06 It is not.
26:07 And it's everyone just meandering up the court.
26:10 KP sets this like nothing screen for Tatum, which just gets them nothing.
26:15 KP tries to set another screen, it's soft, they get nothing out of that.
26:19 The Hawks do a really good job of switching and it ends up in a contested
26:22 step-back three for Jalen Brown.
26:24 So they just took forever to get into that.
26:26 When they got into that, they were meandering on the screens and the actions
26:30 and they were sort of soft in their approach and their execution there.
26:33 Just terrible.
26:34 So while they're well and truly above 500 in crunch time games, it seems like
26:38 they've gotten worse and slower in their execution as the season has gone on.
26:43 However, and I promise I'll shut up soon, the 2008 Celtics, those guys who won
26:48 the title in 2008, they were 24-13 in crunch time, also 6th in the league
26:53 at that point, with a net rating of just 1.4.
26:57 And their offense in crunch time was ranked 25th overall.
27:00 The 2017 Golden State Warriors were 25th in crunch time win-loss record
27:06 with a 7.4 net rating.
27:09 And actually the Celtics, I think that was the last Isaiah Thomas year,
27:12 were first in net rating of that year.
27:14 Suffice to say, your crunch time execution and your rankings subsequently
27:19 don't have to be top of the table for you to be a championship caliber team.
27:23 That said, crunch time is what we're putting under the microscope
27:26 for this segment.
27:27 And let's just be honest, it doesn't look that great.
27:30 I don't know who wants to take the next stab here, but that's what I got.
27:34 Go Spanee.
27:36 I don't think it looks that bad statistically.
27:41 I mean, our net rating plus 19.1 in crunch time, that's really friggin' good.
27:47 The -7 recently is bad.
27:50 My guess is that's pretty small minutes.
27:53 On the pace thing, I think that's the stat that truly is infuriating.
28:00 But I think part of that is the Celtics very often are in the lead
28:04 in crunch time, whereas lots of teams probably are trying to catch up,
28:08 so they're playing faster.
28:09 So that goes into it.
28:10 But we all have eyes.
28:12 They're obviously playing way too friggin' slow in crunch time,
28:14 even if you can explain away.
28:16 They should be 28th in pace and not dead last.
28:18 But I don't think they're bad if it's like a five-point game
28:23 with like four minutes left.
28:25 But it's like the last two minutes really nail-biting time is when I think
28:30 that they really struggle.
28:32 So I did a - I deep-dove into some stats today.
28:35 We've attempted 46 shots when the score is within three,
28:40 and there's two minutes or less in the game.
28:42 We are shooting under 40% on twos, but 39% on threes.
28:49 All of the made threes are assisted.
28:52 We have not made a pull-up three when it's within three under two minutes.
28:57 At the rim, 55%.
29:00 Short midrange, 50%.
29:02 Corner three, four of six.
29:04 Above the break, three of 12.
29:06 Long midrange, one of nine.
29:09 That sounds right.
29:10 Yeah, and I think we all know who is probably to blame for that one of nine.
29:15 Peyton Pritchett.
29:16 Goddamn it.
29:18 Peyton would probably slick on it.
29:20 So I just think it's like we're really good at when we actually try
29:27 to generate good looks, corner threes, shots at the rim,
29:31 short midrange area, which, you know, late game,
29:33 that's not a bad look at all.
29:34 But when we settle for long midrange above the break threes,
29:38 we are terrible at it.
29:40 And it just goes to like back to that frustrating thing is like you guys know
29:44 how to generate these good shots.
29:45 We just watched it for 46 minutes.
29:48 Just keep doing that.
29:50 And I get there's a balance that you don't want to turn it over,
29:53 but there's also a balance of like, yeah, that clip's a great,
29:56 great example, Ben, of like they're just not doing things with force.
30:01 They're going through the motions.
30:03 And this is the last time you should be going through the --
30:05 like go through the motions in the first quarter, boys.
30:08 So something needs to get fixed.
30:10 But I had like a Zen moment this morning when I was drinking my morning coffee.
30:15 I trust Joe Mazzuolo to fix it.
30:17 I really think -- I think last game was like going to be the breaking point,
30:20 and I think they'll do better from here on out.
30:23 It's funny.
30:24 Like with last game in particular, I'm just like I'm kind of whatever with it
30:28 because I think it was just so obviously bad.
30:31 Like you're going to watch film for five seconds and be like, yeah,
30:34 that was a disaster.
30:36 There's no Derek White.
30:38 And what's funny with all of these records with and without players,
30:42 KP we're like 17 and 3, no Jalen, we're undefeated,
30:46 Tatum we've lost only one.
30:48 But Derek White has missed six games, and we're 3 and 3 in those Derek
30:52 White games.
30:53 It's like he is so important, and especially in these moments,
30:58 Dr. Germ scary in the chat here.
31:00 I bet Derek White made all those clutch shots.
31:03 Derek White has been insane in the clutch.
31:05 Yeah, he's at like 47% from three in the clutch.
31:08 He's massively important in the clutch.
31:11 And like you talked about those minutes, Spoonie, so 2 and 3,
31:15 that's 17 total minutes over those five games.
31:20 So like the sample size is insanely small.
31:24 So from a statistics perspective, and Ben, you're on it.
31:28 Like always, you just don't have to be good to win a title in the clutch.
31:31 Phoenix Suns were the best crunch time team in the NBA.
31:34 They went to the finals and lost to the Bucks and went through a Mickey
31:38 Mouse run as well through the playoffs.
31:40 Like you just don't have to be.
31:42 And you guys have been everyone here.
31:44 We've all been through the last couple of playoff runs where crunch time
31:46 has not been.
31:47 It's just not a strength.
31:49 Like this team is so good at everything.
31:51 And this is why we come back to this is because it's like they're number
31:55 one or number two or number three in just like everything with a bullet.
31:58 You'd like you name the thing and there's elite at it.
32:01 And it's just like the one thing.
32:03 And it's like, it's a glaring thing because one,
32:05 it's the only thing they're not good at.
32:07 And obviously it matters when it comes down to big moments.
32:10 And you remember big moments going back to my point at the top,
32:12 you remember things that don't happen very often.
32:15 And it's like, don't lose games very often.
32:17 And I don't do this very often.
32:19 I think my point with this is like, this team is better.
32:23 And so it's like,
32:24 they're better in the clutch than they have been the last couple of years.
32:27 You can go back and look at all the blown leads in the Adoka season.
32:30 Way more, way worse in the, in the clutch.
32:32 This team is better in clutch time, better defensively,
32:35 better offensively in a variety of ways.
32:39 So it's like, yes, I think it's okay to be like,
32:42 this is not a strength of this team.
32:44 I think they can be better.
32:45 And I kind of write off this post all-star break thing as well.
32:48 It's like right now to be this, you kind of have to trick them.
32:51 You've got to be, you've got to be down 20 in the fourth quarter.
32:55 And then you might be able to come back.
32:57 Cause the Celtics are like, fuck it dude, it's March.
33:00 This is why we do this.
33:02 I feel better already. That was, that was great.
33:04 I will also add that like not all crunch times are the same.
33:07 So correct me if I'm wrong,
33:08 but the parameters or the criteria for crunch time is within five points and
33:12 within five minutes or less to go.
33:14 And how we arrived at that point in this Hawks game is the Celtics had been
33:18 up by 30. And as we approached that five minutes to go, Mark,
33:21 the Hawks had been on this massive run to get the game close and therefore had
33:25 all of the momentum. It wasn't this tit for tat game was on a knife's edge,
33:30 super close the whole way through with both teams exchanging punches.
33:34 It was the Hawks had all the momentum arriving at that point,
33:37 which I think you could attribute to the Celtics lack of pace and momentum at
33:41 that point as well. Do you know what I mean?
33:43 Like it wasn't the recipe for that particular crunch time circumstances was,
33:48 was different to others that we've seen say against the wolves of the Nuggets
33:51 so far this season.
33:52 And they had some really good crunch time possessions.
33:58 Like they had that nice Tatum drive for a dunk.
34:00 Like it wasn't all a disaster.
34:02 It's just those like last two are so bad that those are the ones like the Tatum
34:06 turnover and then the Jalen. I don't, I don't, the controller shut off.
34:10 Like whatever.
34:11 It almost went in dude. It was just hilarious.
34:13 It's so funny. Yeah. Like there's five.
34:15 I almost got the rebound. Yeah. There's five possessions, right?
34:18 The Tatum dunk, the Tatum pull up on the left elbow.
34:21 And Jalen also hit a shot from the left elbow too.
34:23 So it's like those five possessions, they actually went three for five.
34:26 Right. Disaster, bad process agreed. But it's, and like, but you know,
34:33 you zoom out just a tiny bit. It's like, actually not so bad.
34:37 That Tatum dunk goes into the put back chamber of secrets buried on the
34:42 ground with all the other great moments in losses.
34:45 That was such a sick dunk. Jalen Brown dunking on Maxi Kleber on KG's
34:50 retirement night. Yeah, exactly.
34:53 One day after we've won banner 18,
34:55 we'll kick back with a two hour pod and then watch through it.
34:58 Cause suddenly like those moments are revived.
35:00 It was all on the road to the championship,
35:02 but right now they have to be buried unfortunately,
35:05 but that was a sick dunk. Yeah, very deep. All right. Well, look,
35:10 we'll end with some news of the day and we'll get to this Hawks game
35:13 tomorrow, which I think we all hopefully assume is going to be a blowout as
35:17 the Celtics kick back after that very disappointing loss.
35:21 And hopefully we get a Jason Tatum makeup dunk in a win on that one.
35:25 But Jason Tatum appeared on, I don't know the name of the show.
35:28 This is the level of research that goes into this podcast guys,
35:31 the post game show on TNT and got stuck in this one-on-one conversation
35:36 with Shaq about whether Tatum would try and dunk on him in a real game.
35:39 Situation. We saw in the playoffs, your epic dunk against LeBron.
35:43 A couple years back. We saw,
35:45 we've seen like you get people in this generation back in the old days.
35:50 Would you have tried Shaq coming down the lane? No, no.
35:53 Oh, he's looking straight in your, would you have tried him?
35:56 No. Well, hold on.
35:58 I'm not asking you. I love his mom. I love his dad. I love,
36:04 I love this little man, but he know I would have put him on the ground.
36:07 He said he would try. I would have tried. No, he wouldn't have tried.
36:10 I'm just, I've only been dunked on twice in 20 years.
36:13 There's a reason for that. Relax. Only twice? I'll put you down.
36:16 I'm trying. I'm telling you.
36:19 Twice. Only twice. But you would have gone for it.
36:22 You gotta try. You have to. He feels obligated to try.
36:27 He said he'd catch you slipping. So lane help side.
36:30 Slow news eh? So we're running with this,
36:35 but Shaq walking towards him in sort of a semi threatening stance.
36:39 Like I think he's wearing sketches as well.
36:42 Some sort of ankle supporting geriatric shoe or footwear.
36:46 I don't know. Do you guys think that Tatum would try and dunk on Shaq?
36:49 It's a strange hypothetical, but this is where we're at.
36:51 I technically, he would if he, if the situation presented itself,
36:57 but I, Shaq's probably right. I don't know. I don't know if Jason's,
37:02 it's not really his game dunking on people like Shaq.
37:05 That's more Jalen. Jalen would try it. Oh yeah. He would have his at it already.
37:10 What do you think Spoonce?
37:11 JT like dunks around people, not really like on their heads like JB does.
37:17 So, and there's no getting around Shaq,
37:20 especially at this age where he's widened out a bit as well.
37:23 But dude, Jared Greenberg is tall, man. I don't know why.
37:28 I just assumed he was short, but he's like, you got me like 6'3", 6'4".
37:31 He's like Jamal Crawford's height, which is what I took away from that clip.
37:35 But yeah, I thought Shaq was going to murder him.
37:37 Isn't that Lefkoe?
37:38 Oh, is that Lefkoe? Oh, is it?
37:40 The guy on the left next to Shaq? Yeah. That's Lefkoe.
37:44 I was like, who's, who's Jared Greenberg?
37:47 He's like the NBA TV guy, right?
37:49 Yeah. The guy that does get up. Host.
37:51 Maybe that guy's short then. Anyway, it's not important.
37:55 I was like, I'm pretty sure that's Lefkoe.
37:57 Yeah, you're right. You're right. My bad.
37:59 Taller, taller than I thought too.
38:01 Dude, that's awesome.
38:02 Because I saw some photos of Tatum and Shaq like taking a photo
38:06 and like the angles and people were like, oh, Tatum's so tall.
38:09 You see the angle right there where everybody's like flat across?
38:12 Shaq's so much bigger than Tatum did.
38:15 Oh, yeah. It's just not close at all.
38:18 I have another news thing, Ben, that I don't think is on the run sheet
38:21 before we get to the Hawks thing that I didn't have time to upload.
38:24 But all the Celtics, a bunch of the Celtics went to the main team
38:30 play against the Atlanta team and like Hauser was there.
38:33 Joe Quiet was there and Jordan Walsh got interviewed by Noah,
38:38 who we got to get on the podcast.
38:40 Noah was like talking to Walsh and he's like, I love seeing these guys come
38:44 and see that I'm like not a bum and that I can actually hoop.
38:46 And I just enjoy that everybody like went and watched him
38:50 and he was super excited to have them there.
38:52 I don't know if you guys ever played like varsity or junior varsity.
38:56 If you're on junior varsity and the varsity team watches you, it's sick.
38:59 And if you're on varsity and you watch the JV team, you're like,
39:02 you're super hyped for them and you can tell they really appreciate
39:04 you guys being there.
39:06 These guys aren't that much older than those guys anyway,
39:08 especially Walsh, right? He's like 19.
39:11 I'm sure he would have loved it.
39:13 Yeah, amazing. I once went on a basketball tour of New Zealand,
39:18 which is like the peak of my high school basketball playing days.
39:22 And I was in the B squad, you know, untalented as I am,
39:25 athletically speaking.
39:27 And yeah, the A squad would hang around and watch our games afterwards,
39:30 which meant everything on the odd occasion where I would score
39:32 or do something that made it look like I was a competent athlete,
39:36 they would all cheer. So I get those vibes.
39:38 That's awesome, man. It kind of, it's an extension of that plane shot,
39:41 sort of pre Lamar Stevens, Trey, where it was a photo of the team
39:45 posing together on the, on the plane.
39:47 This is just another iteration of that, right?
39:49 Just another example that this team has galvanized to the, you know,
39:53 like most championship teams are,
39:55 obviously it's a stretch to make that connection that if they show up
39:58 to a G League game, it means they're going to win the title.
40:00 But they've left no doubt that at least the chemistry side of things
40:03 is completely taken care of.
40:05 I was going to say in that game that they did watch,
40:07 the main Celtics did beat the college park Skyhawks 127 to 112.
40:13 Jordan Walsh had 19, nine boards, one assist, one turnover.
40:17 Did go one for five from three, which is tough, but man,
40:21 Cater out here, dude, just killing people.
40:22 Nine for 11, nine boards, three assists, three blocks.
40:25 And then JD 13 and eight, three steals.
40:29 Drew Peterson quietly, 0 for seven from the, oh, Jaden Springer, 26 points.
40:34 11 for 18 with six rebounds, three assists.
40:38 All right.
40:39 We've got a few guys who exist in that groove,
40:42 that chasm between the G League and the NBA where they're too good for one
40:46 and just not good enough for the other,
40:48 which makes for a really dominant G League team.
40:50 Apparently they've been awesome.
40:51 I've been watching the highlights pretty consistently throughout the season
40:54 and they've been fantastic.
40:55 Hopefully we'll see some of them in Vegas for summer league in July.
40:59 Yeah.
41:00 It's like the quadruple A players in baseball,
41:02 like the two good for triple A, not good enough for the big leagues.
41:06 Yeah.
41:07 It really makes you appreciate when Springer looks like an all-star
41:10 and then he gets on the court and he looks like he's never dribbled a
41:12 basketball before in the NBA.
41:14 It's like these dudes are such in a crazy level.
41:16 Yeah.
41:17 Jesus, dude.
41:18 Like Springer 11 for 18?
41:20 Nuts.
41:21 Not bad.
41:22 Not bad at all.
41:23 Let's wrap on this.
41:25 The Hawks, who we play tomorrow in Atlanta again,
41:28 are up seven on the Blazers while the Celtics just chill out,
41:31 go to G League games and presumably play golf.
41:33 Who knows what else?
41:36 Predictions for this game?
41:37 I know we pretty much hit on that already, Jake,
41:39 but how do you think this one's going to go tomorrow?
41:42 Right.
41:43 So injury report wise, I think we've got -- do we have it here?
41:47 We do.
41:48 We do?
41:49 Do you want to -- we got -- I know Drew questionable,
41:52 Horford questionable, Springer questionable,
41:54 which is funny because Springer played yesterday.
41:57 But my guess is we don't see Al or Drew.
42:00 The big toast brain is like that's just code for Al's not playing tomorrow.
42:04 And Drew, I mean, I think it's just great news.
42:08 The biggest news of the week probably is that Drew Holiday has been moved to
42:11 questionable for the shoulder after people deep diving into dead arm
42:15 surgery potential options at the end of the season.
42:19 And so that's huge.
42:21 Get Derek White back up, but I expect him to come out pretty focused.
42:26 But I don't know.
42:28 March is a mess, dude.
42:30 We got freaking Jalen Green playing for the Rockets, like dominating again.
42:34 For the first time in his career.
42:36 Like Curry.
42:37 Yeah, March is like this period right now you have to just throw it away for
42:41 the most part.
42:42 Like if your team, like the Celtics, doesn't have anything to play for,
42:46 like we did the part where we're looking for things to enjoy.
42:50 Reading too much into anything, like from big picture wise, is a mistake.
42:54 But like little things like Pritchard and stuff playing well,
42:56 that's really what we're kind of looking for.
42:59 These guys have proved what they're capable of and what they can do,
43:03 what they should do.
43:04 Six game lead on the Western Conference at this point.
43:07 Like we're a couple of wins away from knocking this whole thing up.
43:11 Yeah, I wonder if they come out like that,
43:13 got knocked in their pride a little bit with that Atlanta loss and come out
43:17 and just kill them is kind of what I expect, even though, yeah,
43:20 you're right, Jake.
43:21 Like it is totally meaningless for them.
43:23 Like they got such a big cushion even on the West that the goal is to not
43:28 have anyone get hurt.
43:29 And can the refs like call it, like call fouls at some point?
43:33 Like I was afraid somebody was going to get hurt in that Atlanta game.
43:37 Like Wesley Matthews was like out to hit people, dude.
43:41 Like there was so much contact on every off ball action we had.
43:45 It was crazy, man.
43:46 At one point he just like two hands on Sam Houser was trying to set a screen
43:50 and like pushed him up to the three point line.
43:53 It was crazy.
43:54 So don't get hurt.
43:56 Try and get a win.
43:57 I do think they're going to come out and whip ass though.
43:59 I think so.
44:01 Can we see KP just get in a little bit more of a rhythm?
44:04 I know you guys aren't necessarily like along on the ride with me here,
44:07 but he's just come back from the hamstring thing.
44:09 But I am a little worried.
44:11 And, you know, after this we're going to record our underrated plays video,
44:14 which will be up on our YouTube channel in a couple of days.
44:17 But he has looked like he has struggled with that added level of physicality.
44:20 Those fouls that the refs are no longer calling.
44:22 And so I'd love to see him just begin to grow used to that.
44:26 Because you know what basketball environment is incredibly physical
44:30 where less fouls are called?
44:31 It's the playoffs.
44:32 And they're right around the corner.
44:33 So like now's the time for KP to adjust to this.
44:36 And I'd love to see a nice healthy stretch of KP just like getting those switches
44:41 and kind of dominating out of them because he just hasn't been doing that
44:44 since he's been back.
44:46 My scale of worriedness from zero to Ben Vallis is like three.
44:49 So I'm not all the way up there yet, but it's beginning to rise a little bit.
44:53 I would like that too.
44:55 Absolutely.
44:56 No question.
44:57 Let's get KP, you know, 20 and five tomorrow.
45:00 And just on like a nice efficiency game.
45:04 All right. Book it.
45:05 That's going to do it for this one.
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45:10 You guys know the drill.
45:11 Spoonie, Jake, love your work, guys.
45:13 Until next time, go Celtics.
45:14 I love the Celtics.
45:16 [MUSIC PLAYING]
45:19 (upbeat music)
45:21 (upbeat music)