Maddy O'Reilly inteview / Podcast
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00:00So I have to guess from your name, you have like some Irish ancestry, I would assume.
00:29For the longest time I didn't think so.
00:33The name was kind of given to me when I came in just because of like the color of my hair
00:36and stuff.
00:38And then we just recently, my family, we did like our whole family tree and we do have,
00:42it's like a lot of English and Irish.
00:43But for a long time I was like, no, I don't have any Irish in me.
00:46It's a funny sort.
00:47Oh, you thought you were a fraud.
00:48Yeah, yeah.
00:49And then like, oh wait.
00:50Yeah, I know that my great great grandmother was Irish.
00:55And obviously my mom's English, so that whole side's English.
00:57So I definitely have Irish in me too.
01:00But yeah, I've never done one of those DNA tests, so it would be kind of interesting.
01:03Yeah, it's cool.
01:04Yeah.
01:05It's a lot of fun.
01:06So Maddie, you just came back from like a two month break, right?
01:10Yeah.
01:11I worked maybe, I did like two shoots, I think, in December and a feature dance.
01:15And then basically the entire month of January was off.
01:18That must have been nice.
01:20I can't remember the last time I've purposely taken a month off.
01:25I had a bad year last year where there was a couple of months where I pretty much had
01:29no work.
01:30But that was not of my own volition.
01:31I just basically got dropped by a couple of clients.
01:34But it must have, what did you do?
01:37Did you just like?
01:38I didn't do anything.
01:39Was it the best thing ever?
01:40It was so nice.
01:41I feel really refreshed.
01:42I went and spent like from right around Christmas to right before AVN in Northern California.
01:51So I was just up there hanging out and it was the best time ever.
01:54Do you have family up there?
01:55My guy lives up there.
01:56So yeah, yeah.
01:57Oh, that must have been nice.
01:58It was so great.
01:59I didn't have to wear makeup.
02:00I just like chilled in like comfy clothes.
02:02It was great.
02:03And you guys just played like really aggressive board games the whole time?
02:06Oh, God.
02:07There's this thing called fucking putterball and it's like a mixture of beer pong and mini
02:13golf.
02:14But we don't use it like in the beer pong fashion.
02:16We just putt back and forth and yeah, it's caused a lot of chaos.
02:21So before the podcast started, we were talking about like how aggressive and competitive
02:26we both get when we play games with our boyfriends, whether it be board games or whatever.
02:31Yeah.
02:32Yeah.
02:33It's pretty bad.
02:34So bad.
02:35So bad.
02:36Well, it's like good.
02:37You know, it's funny.
02:38When I was dating my boyfriend, when I first started dating him, we played Scrabble together
02:45and I beat him twice.
02:46And I was an English major, so sometimes I like to think I'm more verbose than others,
02:52but he's very, very smart.
02:53And so I beat him twice at Scrabble at the beginning, so like, boy, did I hold that over
02:57his head.
02:58Oh, yeah.
02:59Oh, yeah.
03:00And unfortunately, ever since then, he's beat me at Scrabble literally every single time
03:03we've played and he just doesn't ever let me forget.
03:08Hubris is a good thing.
03:09That would make me mad.
03:10If I lost consistently, I would just be like, all right, I'm not playing that game anymore.
03:16Let me find something else.
03:17That's kind of how I, yeah, kind of how I felt.
03:21We just went to Sequoia last weekend and we played Monopoly, the National Parks Edition,
03:27which was cool.
03:28I saw it in the gift shop and I bought it for way too much money.
03:31And he absolutely destroyed me.
03:34And we, just the way we were talking to each other was bad.
03:37I mean, we were getting so aggressive and just really patronizing.
03:43It was like, it brought out the worst in both of us, I feel.
03:48We've unfollowed each other on social media over Bop It.
03:52Really?
03:53Yes.
03:54Bop It.
03:55There's a game called Clask and Clask actually reached out and made a custom board for me.
04:00Oh, wow.
04:01What is that game?
04:02It's like air hockey, but with magnets, basically.
04:05Oh, air hockey makes me angry.
04:06And it's like, oh, God, this game is great.
04:08But it causes like...
04:10You know what game makes me the most angry of all the games, I don't know why, is Foosball.
04:15Like, that makes me crazy.
04:17Oh, yeah.
04:18Okay.
04:19Foosball makes me really...
04:20Turns me into a monster.
04:21There's something about that game that I get like so angry.
04:25That's so funny.
04:26Oh, my God.
04:28So, now that you're back to work, do you have like any big projects planned or shoots coming up that you're excited about?
04:34I'm doing a lot of fun stuff for my Snapchat right now.
04:37I kind of wanted to like...
04:38Because obviously I do whatever gets booked and I don't always get to pick the people I work with.
04:43So, when I'm doing my own content, I'm like, I can pick who I work with and what I do.
04:48It's fucking awesome.
04:49Isn't it great to like do your own stuff?
04:51Yeah, it's fun.
04:52It's a lot more fun.
04:53Yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:54So, who are some of your favorite people that you like to work with?
04:56Oh, my God.
04:57So, I'm obsessed with Jenna Sativa.
04:59Yeah, she's pretty great.
05:00Jesus Christ.
05:01She's pretty great.
05:02She's fucking awesome.
05:03Tori Avano and I have like a thing, which is great.
05:08That's like my best friend, though.
05:10That's Girl Wise.
05:11And then guys, I really like just any male talent that's like passionate but can also
05:17do like a rougher scene with me because I tend to go on like the crazy side.
05:24Yeah, you're known for like your rough stuff.
05:27Yeah.
05:28So, how do you prepare for a scene like that?
05:30Do you...
05:31Okay, so obviously with guys that you've worked with quite a bit, I assume that like you guys
05:35kind of have a rapport and he knows like what you're cool with and what you're not.
05:39How do you handle it when you're working with somebody that you don't know so well?
05:43I don't usually enjoy doing a really crazy scene with like a newer guy because a lot
05:49of times they haven't had a lot of experience doing rough stuff and there's a correct and
05:54incorrect way to like hit someone or pull your hair or all of that.
05:58So, I'd rather not my first time like working with a guy it being like...
06:02Right.
06:03...aggressive.
06:04Unless it was like Rocco, the first time working with Rocco, obviously it was like...
06:06Well, he knows what he's doing.
06:07Yeah.
06:08So, I would need two weeks off for the scene.
06:11I already know like...
06:12So, can you like elaborate a little bit on like the right way to hit someone or the right
06:17way to pull someone's hair because that's probably going to confuse a lot of people.
06:21Okay.
06:22So, when I don't...
06:23If you hit someone in the face and it goes a little too high like in the temple area,
06:26I've had that happen and it black my eye.
06:28And that's like obviously takes a long time to heal.
06:31Pulling hair, a lot of people want to pull like at the end and you should really like
06:36come in at like the root.
06:37The base.
06:38Yeah, the base.
06:39Yeah.
06:40But other than that, like I can't hit other people.
06:43So, I don't really know how.
06:45I just know it feels good to me.
06:46Okay.
06:47Yeah.
06:48So, you like being like slapped in the face.
06:49Oh, yeah.
06:50Yeah.
06:51I like it too.
06:52Yeah.
06:53Yeah.
06:54My boyfriend won't do it to me.
06:55He thinks it's weird.
06:56He makes me feel bad.
06:57Whatever.
06:58But yeah, I know what you mean.
06:59And it's more like...
07:00And that's the thing.
07:01I'm kind of like that about choking too.
07:03I don't actually want to be choked out.
07:05But there's something just about the dominance of like putting your hand on my throat and
07:09applying some pressure.
07:10But I don't actually want you to like really choke me out.
07:13I actually don't like that.
07:14Yeah.
07:15But I like...
07:16It's more like the motion.
07:17So, like if you slap me in the face, I don't want you to fucking crack me across the face
07:20like really hard.
07:22Like stun you and be like, oh.
07:23Yeah.
07:24It's more about just like a love tap kind of thing.
07:27Yeah.
07:28Exactly.
07:29What's like your favorite...
07:30What are some of your favorite things to do?
07:32During a rough scene.
07:33Like what are some of your favorite things?
07:35Oh, goodness.
07:36I'm really into...
07:37It's so weird.
07:38It's so hard when I'm like in this setting to talk about it.
07:41Because I'm like, oh, wow, I do some really crazy shit.
07:43Yeah.
07:44When I'm doing it, it doesn't seem so extreme to me.
07:46Out of context, it feels weird.
07:47I get it.
07:48Yeah.
07:49So, I really like spitting.
07:54I'm really into other people's sweat.
07:56If I'm like really into the performer, I want all of their sweat.
07:59I don't know why.
08:00I'm just a fucking weirdo.
08:01There's like a whole study with pheromones and stuff like that.
08:04I was talking about this with a friend of mine.
08:06Because chemistry...
08:07When they talk about chemistry between people, it literally has to do with chemistry
08:11and how somebody smells and their pheromones.
08:14There's a whole biological background to it that I won't try to get into
08:18because I'm not that well-versed in it.
08:20But it's something about your genes kind of recognized in other people's genes
08:24that would benefit you in terms of producing a child.
08:27So you actually have physical reactions to people.
08:31So that must be why.
08:32Because it's not with every person.
08:33No.
08:34But some people I'm like, I don't know why.
08:37Put my hair in it, let's mop the floor up with it.
08:39Whatever.
08:40It's crazy.
08:41Yeah.
08:42It's like an intrinsic biological reaction.
08:45That's crazy.
08:46I have to go look this up.
08:47Yeah.
08:48It's really interesting if you look into it.
08:50Because it's a whole fascinating kind of science that people are still exploring.
08:54But my boyfriend, I love the way he smells when he's sweaty.
08:58All that stuff, I'm into it.
09:01If he smells bad, I like it.
09:04But then other people, I was actually at spin class the other day
09:07and there was this guy next to me and people get sweaty.
09:10And I was so grossed out by the way that he smelled.
09:13And I couldn't necessarily pinpoint why.
09:16But it's really interesting.
09:18That's funny.
09:19My grandma told me when I was younger, she was like,
09:23I love that you found the one when his dirty laundry doesn't gross you out.
09:26And I wonder if that's part of it.
09:28I think so.
09:29Absolutely.
09:30Because I'll smell my boyfriend's underwear.
09:32Well, maybe.
09:34But if I miss him or something or he's gone on a work trip,
09:38I'll smell his shirts or whatever.
09:41When we first started dating, I would sleep with him.
09:43I was such a dork.
09:44I do that.
09:45I still do that.
09:46Yeah.
09:47Yeah.
09:48So how long have you been with your guy?
09:50Shit.
09:51It's going to be two years.
09:52Wow.
09:53Yeah.
09:54So does he work in the industry?
09:55Nope.
09:56He's a civilian.
09:57It's my first civilian ever.
09:58How is that working out for you guys?
10:00I'm lucky because he understands the industry.
10:04He used to follow like Aus's podcast and stuff.
10:06So he gets like, it's just a job.
10:09It's just a really cool job.
10:11And we do things that you wouldn't do at like an office job.
10:14Right.
10:15Right.
10:16He's really understanding, which I'm lucky because I know like,
10:18that's not always the case when people in the industry date outside of our
10:22circle.
10:23Yeah.
10:24It's weird.
10:25So you said this is the first guy that you've dated who hasn't been in porn?
10:27Yeah.
10:28Both of my exes were not talent, but involved in the industry in some way.
10:32Did you find that that was easier in some ways and more difficult in other
10:36ways or?
10:37No, it's all been, I've been really lucky.
10:41Everyone's kind of been really understanding, but I'm like,
10:44try to be honest and like, okay, this is what I do for a living.
10:47So what are our boundaries?
10:48Let's talk about them before we get to a point where there might be an issue.
10:52I'd rather just get everything out there.
10:53Right.
10:54And did it, was it weird at the beginning?
10:56Like how did you guys meet?
10:57Did he know what you did when you guys first met?
10:59We followed each other on, on Instagram for a really long time.
11:04And then I'm really shy.
11:06So I am assuming that, I don't know if you want to tell me what he does,
11:09but I'm assuming he does something kind of cool.
11:11Yeah, he does art.
11:12So he does cool art on the side,
11:14but his like bread and butter is like a paint night.
11:19It's kind of like a wine and sip or sip and wine,
11:22those kinds of things where you go in and you get drunk and you paint.
11:25Yeah.
11:26He's the number one artist in the world for that.
11:29Wait, he's like number one paint night guy.
11:31They changed the name though to like yay maker.
11:33I think just now I didn't actually know that there were like,
11:36I knew that it was something that people do.
11:38Like I just thought people did like randomly cause it's fun,
11:41but I didn't know it was like, like a thing.
11:43Yeah.
11:44Well, and he's in Northern California.
11:45So like,
11:46so wait a minute,
11:47wait a minute.
11:48So is he therefore like the best artist who can make art drunk?
11:53Like how does that,
11:54what does that mean?
11:55Or are there like competitions in this?
11:57His shows,
11:58he has like the best reviews.
11:59Um,
12:00he has the most,
12:01I think like the highest of like return customers that go back.
12:04He's like a falling.
12:06So wait,
12:07does he host these things?
12:08Yeah.
12:09Okay.
12:10And he's insane when he does it.
12:11Like it's like dirty jokes and it's like a sexy thing.
12:14It's so much fun.
12:15Okay.
12:16So it's like a whole thing.
12:17The whole thing.
12:18Yeah.
12:19It sounds like fun.
12:20The problem is I don't drink,
12:21which is why I like,
12:22I've never gone to one.
12:23Oh,
12:24because I don't,
12:25I mean you could go sober,
12:26but I think it would be,
12:27his show is more fun.
12:28Yeah.
12:29Yeah.
12:30Yeah.
12:31Most things are more fun.
12:32I know.
12:33It's a whole other story.
12:34We'll get into why I don't drink,
12:35but yeah,
12:36I get it.
12:37So,
12:38okay,
12:39so you guys met that way and then obviously he knew what you did for a
12:42living and then you went out and did you guys like kind of like,
12:46how did that discussion start?
12:48This is just something that's interesting to me.
12:50I know it's interesting to a lot of civilians as we call people who don't
12:54do porn,
12:55by the way,
12:56because I think people in their head imagine that they could date a porn
12:59star and then they start dating a porn star and then they actually like
13:02catch the feelings and then that's when it seems like everything changes
13:06for people because all of a sudden these guys realize they don't want to
13:09share this girl with the rest of the world and then they get weird that like
13:12all their friends have seen her do stuff like the dynamic changes.
13:17Yeah.
13:18So I,
13:19like I said,
13:20I followed him for a minute.
13:21I was in a relationship though and then when I came out,
13:23I was single for a little bit and then I was like,
13:25I slid into his DMs and he thought I was kidding and we talked for a really
13:29long time before we met up and we were only going to meet up with the
13:32intention of just like hooking up.
13:34Like that's all I really wanted it to be.
13:35And so did he,
13:36we weren't looking for anything serious.
13:37Right.
13:38And then God damn it.
13:40Um,
13:41crazy,
13:42crazy,
13:43crazy chemistry.
13:44So then we were like,
13:45fuck it,
13:46let's,
13:47let's do this.
13:48And he's just,
13:49um,
13:50I took him to ABN last year,
13:51so he got to see it and do the whole red carpet thing with me.
13:54How did he find that?
13:55He loved it.
13:56He got to go and like,
13:57you know,
13:58see awesome.
13:59And it's like,
14:00if it wasn't for awesome,
14:01I'm going to,
14:02we wouldn't be in a relationship.
14:03He's an awesome fan.
14:04Yeah.
14:05So he's an awesome fan and they took a picture together at a party.
14:08It's supposed to be out.
14:09And that's how I started following him on Instagram.
14:10I was like,
14:11Oh,
14:12this guy's cute.
14:13And that's how,
14:14so we owe it to awesome.
14:15So cute.
14:16Yeah.
14:17Does she know that?
14:18Yeah.
14:19Oh my God.
14:20That's awesome.
14:21It's fucking dope.
14:22So how did you get started in the adult industry?
14:26Um,
14:27I was like watching porn one night and you know,
14:30sometimes you can like,
14:31you're really turned on and you'll do something that like you normally
14:34wouldn't do.
14:35And then the next day you're like,
14:36Oh,
14:37fuck that.
14:38Like whatever.
14:39So I was like,
14:40I usually,
14:41that happens to be right after orgasm.
14:42Yeah,
14:43exactly.
14:44That was weird.
14:45Yeah.
14:46Like why did I do that?
14:47I'm not going to tell anyone about that.
14:48I like scrolled down and there was like a link because I was watching
14:52mofos and there was a link.
14:54It's like become a model.
14:55I'm like,
14:56yeah,
14:57I'm turned on.
14:58I'm totally going to do this.
15:00And then like a couple of days later I get a call and it's like from a,
15:03a really sweet chick who helped me through the whole process.
15:06She's like,
15:07you want to come shoot three scenes in Miami?
15:09I'm like,
15:10um,
15:11sure.
15:12Why not?
15:13Fuck it.
15:14And then I went down there and I thought I was just going to do three
15:17scenes and then be done.
15:18And they're like,
15:19yeah.
15:20So,
15:21um,
15:22you know,
15:23you can make a career out of this.
15:24You're pretty good.
15:25And I was like,
15:26Oh,
15:27I can't,
15:28I could do this for a living.
15:29That's cool.
15:30That's amazing.
15:31So what was your first scene?
15:32Like,
15:33Oh my God,
15:34I was so nervous because I'm so shy.
15:35And even still,
15:36like I get super nervous doing like my pretty girls and sex stills.
15:39And then once sex starts,
15:40I'm fine.
15:41But yeah,
15:42I was a fucking nervous wreck,
15:43but luckily I had like a really cool talent.
15:45And,
15:46um,
15:47I was like,
15:48it was,
15:49it seems like a Leo.
15:50He isn't,
15:51it was like a Miami guy.
15:52Okay.
15:53Um,
15:54and we did like a graduation like scene and it was really simple and the
15:58director was really cool.
15:59The director was,
16:00uh,
16:01Ken dark,
16:02Kendrick.
16:03He shoots here now in LA for most folks.
16:04Like,
16:05okay.
16:06Yeah.
16:07They made the whole thing like really cool.
16:08So you had a good first experience.
16:09Yes.
16:10Thank God.
16:11Which is great.
16:12Yeah.
16:13Cause not everybody does.
16:14Yeah.
16:15The three scenes I shot,
16:16I'm really lucky.
16:17I had a chick.
16:18I can't talk about what she does now because she actually has like a,
16:19I'll tell you when we're done,
16:20but,
16:21um,
16:22she helped me through the entire thing.
16:23It was like,
16:24don't,
16:25they wanted me to do my first anal for $1,200.
16:28I didn't know any better.
16:29So I was like,
16:30should I do it?
16:31And she called me and she's like,
16:32I can lose my job for this.
16:33Do not do that.
16:34Yeah.
16:35So she kind of was like giving me guidance through like the entire process of
16:39like,
16:40no,
16:41you save that.
16:42And when you do,
16:43you don't do it for $1,200.
16:44I had no idea how rates worked.
16:45I knew nothing.
16:46Like,
16:47so she was really cool.
16:48And they helped me like pick an Asian and do all that.
16:50Cause obviously when I first came in,
16:51I wasn't ready to be a speaker girl.
16:52So,
16:53right,
16:54I didn't even really know who he was.
16:55I didn't know anything.
16:56Yeah.
16:57It was just fresh.
16:58So for those of you who don't know,
16:59I've actually had him on this podcast before,
17:01but Mark Spiegler is probably the most coveted agent in the industry and
17:05being one of his girls is considered being a,
17:08is called being a speaker girl.
17:10And it's funny.
17:11I was actually thinking about this yesterday because I saw that he just
17:14signed Joanna Angel.
17:15Now,
17:16Joanna Angel has been in the industry for a while.
17:18She's well established.
17:19Um,
17:20she's got her own production company.
17:22That was actually just bought out by gamma.
17:24Um,
17:25she's a really well known,
17:26very,
17:27very successful.
17:28She's awesome.
17:29So like,
17:30it was interesting to me cause she hasn't had an agent.
17:33I don't think this entire time.
17:34And she hasn't needed it.
17:35Like everybody knows who Joanna Angel is.
17:37Like she doesn't need an agent.
17:39Um,
17:40and actually for a long time,
17:41she wasn't shooting for other companies.
17:43She was only,
17:44she was only shooting for her own thing.
17:46Cause I shot her a couple of times,
17:47but she hired me to shoot her.
17:49Um,
17:50and so I just was thinking about how interesting it was that she,
17:53you know,
17:54signed with,
17:55not that necessarily that she signed with Mark Spiegeler,
17:57but that it was such a big deal.
17:59And now she's a Spiegeler girl.
18:01And all these other girls were saying like,
18:03welcome to the family.
18:04And it just kind of made me think about like the cult that is like Mark
18:07Spiegeler.
18:08Like there's no other agency that's like that.
18:10You know,
18:11there's no other agency that people sign for.
18:13And then like to get the special like title.
18:15And then it's like this family.
18:16And it's this huge,
18:17like,
18:18honor,
18:19you know what I mean?
18:20So it's just,
18:21it's so interesting how that's become like its own thing.
18:24So tell me in your experience,
18:26like what it means to you to be a Spiegeler girl.
18:28Cause I know that you said that was a great accomplishment of yours and
18:31why you love him so much.
18:32I still remember what it was like to get myself out of my contract and
18:37have him like,
18:38want to take me.
18:39I was like fucking freaking out.
18:41I was like,
18:42I want to be a Spiegeler girl.
18:44What the fuck?
18:45This is so awesome.
18:47To me,
18:48it's just like,
18:49I think it says a lot about you as a performer.
18:52It means that you're basically not a fuck up.
18:54You show up on set,
18:56you do bomb ass scenes.
18:57You're professional,
18:59you're on time.
19:00And then like,
19:01it's just really cool.
19:03I can talk to Spiegeler about real life things that,
19:06you know,
19:07like shit that comes up in my personal life.
19:09I can go and talk to him about that.
19:10And I haven't been able to do that with either of my previous agents.
19:15I was with HMLA when I first came in.
19:17I was with LA direct for almost two years before I went to Spiegeler.
19:20So it's just really,
19:21I didn't have that connection with either of those agents.
19:24And in fact,
19:25when they called,
19:26you get that sense of dread when they call.
19:28When Spiegeler calls,
19:29I'm like,
19:30okay,
19:31hold on.
19:32So it's just like,
19:33I don't know.
19:34It makes me feel good.
19:35It makes me feel like,
19:36okay,
19:37I'm,
19:38I'm pretty good at my job if I get to be a Spiegeler girl.
19:39Yeah.
19:40Yeah.
19:41I think from a producer standpoint,
19:43and I've definitely said this before in this podcast,
19:45I know that if I'm hiring a Spiegeler girl,
19:48it's somebody who I expect is going to be professional,
19:51is going to be on time,
19:52would actually have read the script,
19:54will actually bring the wardrobe that I asked them to,
19:56and will be a good performer.
19:59Those are all things that I kind of assume when I hire someone from this agency.
20:04So it's something that definitely comes across to the producers as well.
20:08And I was talking to,
20:10I have a new assistant that's working with me,
20:12and I'm kind of still training her.
20:14And I was explaining to her all the different agents and stuff like that.
20:17And whenever we run into a wall in terms of,
20:20we can't find someone for this day,
20:23or someone cancels on me last minute,
20:25I'm always like,
20:26if you text Spiegeler,
20:27he will tell you right now who's available.
20:30And what's great about with him is that other agents,
20:33they might be like,
20:34okay,
20:35so-and-so and so-and-so shows as available this day,
20:37but I've got to call them because even though they're not booked on a job,
20:40they may have booked a doctor's appointment or something like that they have to do,
20:44and so they won't be able to do the shoot.
20:46So initially they'll tell you,
20:47oh yeah,
20:48this person's available.
20:49And then they'll call you back a few hours later and be like,
20:51oh no,
20:52she's not available.
20:53With Mark,
20:54I know that if he says she's available,
20:56she's available.
20:58There's no fucking around with that.
21:01I can rely on it.
21:03And I know that he'll get back to me immediately,
21:05and that girl will be on set in an hour.
21:08She will come right away.
21:10So if you guys want to take a day off,
21:12like a doctor's appointment or something like that,
21:14you have to tell him that,
21:15right?
21:16You have to schedule that in.
21:17Yeah.
21:18I like it because he treats this like it's a real job,
21:21as it should be.
21:22So if you want to take off work,
21:24you tell him.
21:25If,
21:26oh my God,
21:27God forbid I have to be five minutes late for a scene or something,
21:29which never happens,
21:30but there has been a time I got in a fender bender,
21:32I text him and let him know.
21:34Like you would with a real employee,
21:35like,
21:36Hey,
21:37can you let the director know I'm running a little bit of time,
21:38like behind?
21:39So it just keeps everything like professional.
21:41I love it.
21:42Yeah.
21:43It's funny too.
21:44Cause like if he has a girl that he knows tends to be late,
21:45he'll tell her to come like half an hour early.
21:47Cause like he'll like,
21:49it's,
21:50it's,
21:51it's pretty fucking awesome.
21:52Yeah.
21:53He's great.
21:54I am.
21:55I moved to Hollywood and I'm not used to living there.
21:56So I still text him like,
21:57Hey,
21:58what time should I leave in the morning to be on set in time?
22:00And he'll like break it down perfectly.
22:02Yeah.
22:03It's like,
22:04you know what else is funny about him too,
22:05is that he can find anybody like no matter where they are.
22:07I remember once he like dug up my home phone number and I was like,
22:10I don't know how you found it.
22:12But yeah,
22:13it's weird.
22:14You can't lie to him.
22:15No,
22:16you look really stupid because he already knows the truth.
22:17I know.
22:18It's kind of creepy.
22:20Yeah.
22:21It's creepy.
22:22I don't know how he knows everything.
22:23You should be like a fucking detective.
22:25It's ridiculous.
22:26Um,
22:27okay.
22:29So in August,
22:312015,
22:32you appeared in an episode of the Lifetime television series,
22:35living with the enemy,
22:37um,
22:38to defend your career against a self-proclaimed anti-pornography life
22:41coach.
22:42So can you tell us a little bit about this?
22:44Cause it sounds pretty interesting and very confrontational.
22:48It was,
22:49you know,
22:50okay.
22:51So I signed up to do this show,
22:53but when you get selected,
22:55um,
22:56they don't tell you who you're going to live with.
22:58Like they let that come out as you're meeting them.
23:00Okay.
23:01So yeah.
23:02Can you kind of give us,
23:03cause I've never heard of this show.
23:04I think I got canned after one season,
23:06but it was called living with the enemy.
23:07So they would do people like a vegan person and then someone that like hunted
23:13animals,
23:14like a hunter.
23:15And then they'd be like,
23:16all right,
23:17go live together for Jesus Christ.
23:18And then something about,
23:19they did a parenting episode where it was like,
23:21um,
23:22a helicopter parent.
23:23And then someone that's more like go do whatever you want.
23:27Yeah.
23:28Children have been taken away by social services.
23:29Pretty much.
23:30They would do this.
23:33And then,
23:34um,
23:35I remember I didn't,
23:37uh,
23:38I didn't,
23:39I forgot what I was thinking.
23:40I was expecting,
23:42I can't remember,
23:43but I had no idea.
23:44It was going to be someone that was like,
23:45Oh,
23:46I thought I was going to get put with someone really religious.
23:47And he wasn't religious at all.
23:48He was just like,
23:49used to be addicted to pornography.
23:52He was like,
23:53um,
23:54it was causing issues with his marriage.
23:57So he lived with me here in LA.
23:59And then I had to go to Northern California.
24:03And I was really nervous about like staying in his house.
24:07Cause he has children and him and his wife were like,
24:09actually you can't stay in our house.
24:11So the producers got me a hotel room.
24:13It was this crazy shit.
24:14But then we ended up like agreeing on a lot of things.
24:17Like,
24:18yeah,
24:19it's probably a little bit harder than just clicking that you're 18 to access
24:23porn.
24:24So we had like a lot of times where we were agreeing,
24:28but it's a reality show.
24:29So the producers would create drama between us.
24:31Yeah,
24:32I know how that is.
24:33And I was like,
24:34this is not really reality.
24:35So actually,
24:36did you find that it wasn't as confrontational as you thought it would be?
24:39Like,
24:40was he pretty open to like communicating?
24:41We wanted to like,
24:42um,
24:43kind of brainstorm a way to see how we could make it harder for children to
24:48access porn.
24:49Cause it's super easy.
24:50Yeah.
24:51So,
24:52um,
24:53they didn't like that.
24:54We got along really well.
24:55We're like,
24:56oh,
24:57you know what?
24:58This is right.
24:59And then they would just create shit.
25:00Then they made me meet some like random girl who,
25:02um,
25:03said that pornography made her guy basically have a domestic violence
25:08situation with her.
25:09So we got into like a crazy heated argument and I made her cry and then I
25:13felt horrible.
25:14Like,
25:15so I was like,
25:16I don't ever want to do this.
25:17Like,
25:18it was not,
25:19not fun.
25:20Yeah.
25:21No,
25:22it doesn't sound like fun at all.
25:23And,
25:24um,
25:25I'm,
25:26I kind of hate confrontation.
25:27So I don't think you could pay me like any amount of money to do that.
25:29Yeah.
25:30It was insane.
25:31But did you,
25:32did you come away from that experience feeling like maybe you learned a
25:34little bit?
25:35Like,
25:36did it kind of,
25:37or do you feel like he learned something from you?
25:39Like,
25:40do you think it was actually in the end a positive thing despite what the
25:42producers tried to turn it into?
25:43Yeah.
25:44Cause we,
25:45um,
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36:47But I mean, the poetry is like, that's your heart.
36:50And that's a hard thing to come up against.
36:54I used to write poetry too.
36:56Really?
36:57Yeah, and there's no fucking way I was going to let anybody read that stuff.
36:59I know.
37:00It's tough.
37:01Am I thinking about making like an Instagram, but no one knows it's me?
37:04And like posting, but then like, I don't know.
37:06That's actually not a bad idea.
37:08Because then you could at least get it out there and then like see some initial reaction.
37:12And maybe if it got enough positive reaction, it would give you the courage to come forward.
37:18Yeah, isn't that funny?
37:19Like I can do all this crazy stuff on camera, but God forbid someone read my notes on my iPhone.
37:26Shit.
37:27What is your poetry generally about?
37:29Anything in particular?
37:30Like love.
37:31Because I fell in love for the first time with this guy.
37:34Like I was engaged before him, so I thought I was.
37:39I loved the people I was with, but I was never like in love.
37:42So now I'm like crazy head over heels, and it's fucking weird and crazy to me.
37:48So I write everything like all mushy shit.
37:51And I'm like, I can't let anyone see that.
37:53I have to look really tough.
37:54Hold on.
37:55And I do not look tough in my poetry.
37:56Does he, have you let him read it?
37:58I've let him read like one thing, and then I like regretted it.
38:01And then I wrote him this thing, and it got lost in my own.
38:03I'm so fucking happy that it did.
38:04I was like, thank God he never got it.
38:07I sent it out, and it was like immediate regret.
38:09Yeah.
38:10Have you ever thought about doing like a poetry workshop or anything like that?
38:13I should.
38:14I should look into that.
38:15You should.
38:16Yeah.
38:17Man.
38:18My goal, like I said, I have to do this eventually.
38:20I'm just nerve wracking.
38:23I get it.
38:24It's scary.
38:25It's a very intimate part of you.
38:26Yeah.
38:27Yeah.
38:28And that's a thing.
38:29See, here's like also another, like the difference kind of between, you know,
38:32like doing porn and writing poetry.
38:34When you're doing porn, yeah, it's intimate, but it's parts of your body,
38:38you know.
38:39And if you're an exhibitionist, which I assume you are,
38:41like that's not a big thing.
38:43Like to me, like I couldn't shoot being porn because I'm not an exhibitionist.
38:47I'm too like nervous about like showing everybody everything.
38:51Like to me, I can't.
38:53But like for people who are exhibitionists, it's not, you know, such a big deal.
38:56That's why they love it.
38:57That's why they feel free doing it.
38:59And, you know, obviously you're working with somebody else,
39:02so you're bouncing off of somebody else's energy,
39:04and it's a whole collaboration putting the scene together.
39:07It's you, the director, the other talent, makeup artist, you know,
39:13like all this stuff.
39:15So it's like a team effort.
39:16But poetry, it's you and one other person.
39:21It's you and one other person.
39:23It's you and the paper.
39:24It's you and your pen.
39:25That's all it is.
39:26And there's like, you know, I mean, it's very much all you.
39:31And that's pretty scary.
39:33It's so scary, you know.
39:36I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to get over that.
39:39I don't know how.
39:40I'm going to try to work on that.
39:42Yeah.
39:43I think you should.
39:44You should also, like I was telling you before the podcast,
39:47you should go check out my friend Derek Brown's poetry, his stuff.
39:50And by the way, for those of you who are listening, I had him on my podcast.
39:56I think he was like my fourth interview or third interview or something like that.
40:01But he's amazing, and he's so great to watch live.
40:05Like he does, when he reads his stuff aloud, like sometimes he has music accompanying.
40:09He's just a great showman, and his poetry is beautiful.
40:12Oh, I love that.
40:13Yeah, he's fantastic.
40:15I always recommend him to anybody.
40:17Or even if you don't like poetry, like Derek Brown will change your mind about poetry for sure.
40:22He's great.
40:23I'll have to look him up.
40:24I have it written down in my notes so I can look.
40:26Yeah, definitely look it up.
40:27I'd love to go and see him live.
40:29He's a lot of fun.
40:30A lot, a lot of fun.
40:32Okay, so I want to talk about your extreme scenes.
40:36Because I know you've done some pretty hardcore stuff.
40:38We kind of touched upon it a little bit earlier.
40:41But you've done some extreme bondage and stuff like that.
40:45Yeah, and there's like a clip that's circulating.
40:47When I first did it, people were assuming that I was doing drugs,
40:52because I snorted like five loads of cum.
40:55What?
40:56What?
40:57Yeah.
40:59Wait.
41:00Okay, hold on a second.
41:03How?
41:05I've never tried to snort liquid.
41:07Let me just say I had the worst headache of my life.
41:10It was fun.
41:11So I was doing this really, you know legal porno, they're pretty extreme.
41:14I went to Prague for two weeks.
41:16And afterwards, I was like having crazy chemistry with one of the male talents.
41:21And he's like, wait, you snorted the cum?
41:24And the director's like, yeah, we snorted?
41:25I was like, sure, why not?
41:26Because I'm like, I'm turned on.
41:27Yeah, you're in the moment.
41:28Yeah, they're like, you're the only girl in four years that said yes.
41:31I was like, oh, shit.
41:33You just keep asking the question long enough, someone's going to say yes.
41:36Yeah, so I did it.
41:37And then idiots on Twitter, like you can tell I'm snorting liquid.
41:40The people are like, you're doing drugs on set.
41:42I'm like, I'm a speaker girl.
41:43If I'm ever doing cocaine on set, I can assure you I will no longer be a speaker girl.
41:49That was insane.
41:51And I got a lot of shit for it.
41:52I think that people were more horrified at the idea of you doing coke, of snorting coke than snorting cum.
41:58Because to me, snorting cum is like way worse than snorting coke.
42:03Like, oh my fucking God.
42:05Yeah, so I did that.
42:07I'm not.
42:08Did that burn?
42:09It didn't burn at all.
42:11Yeah, it wasn't bad.
42:12It's just like that night, I got a really bad headache.
42:15It's probably not.
42:16I can imagine.
42:17It was like four or five loads, I think.
42:19Four loads?
42:20Yeah, I think four loads.
42:21Yeah, it was like a huge pile.
42:23Jeez.
42:24Fuck, girl.
42:25Okay, I'm like thoroughly impressed.
42:27I've never heard that before, and I thought I'd heard everything.
42:31I like to treat this kind of like a circus act.
42:36I love it.
42:37I get off on just really shocking people or upsetting people.
42:40I know I shouldn't do it with religion, but I do because I'm atheist.
42:43And I don't mean to offend you if you're religious.
42:47I'm not religious.
42:48Don't worry.
42:49I really wanted to do a bondage scene around Christmas where I got dressed up like Jesus
42:53and beat on a cross, and I did it.
42:55It was awesome.
42:57They made the cross spin, so I was on a spinning cross with a beard as Jesus.
43:02Wait, you wore a beard?
43:03Yeah.
43:04Oh, man, girl.
43:05That's amazing.
43:06Yeah, I got death threats for that.
43:08I bet you did.
43:09I got to drag in my cross.
43:11It was so awesome.
43:13It was the best thing ever, but people don't like it when I come at religion like that.
43:18So because of that, I like to do it more.
43:21I just like to shock people.
43:23I don't really want to hurt anyone's feelings.
43:25I just like to be like, no, you didn't do that.
43:28I feel like Jesus can take it.
43:30Jesus was totally in the bondage.
43:32He's got other things to worry about.
43:35He's not too mad if you're doing a porno and got a beard on.
43:39Jesus is fine with it.
43:41I'm just going to go out there and say that Jesus is cool with it.
43:44Yeah, Jesus is cool.
43:47So you were saying earlier, too, you had pins stuck in you, too?
43:53Oh, I just did that around Thanksgiving.
43:56So tell me exactly what, like through the whole beard?
44:01No, it was like, I have a picture.
44:03It's, I did like through the areola and then all like into my chest, like through my chest.
44:11And I did like four needles in each boob.
44:14So are you into pain?
44:16I'm assuming you're into pain.
44:17Oh, I'm a big pain slut.
44:19What does it do for you?
44:21Can you describe how it makes you feel while you're into it?
44:24The science is like, basically, when someone's into pain like that,
44:28it releases endorphins like the same way if someone was doing heroin is what I read.
44:33I don't know.
44:34So I really enjoy just like, I get high off of it.
44:39And I'm like such a control freak in most areas of my life that when I'm being submissive,
44:44I give up all of that.
44:46And it's like the best feeling in the world.
44:48I don't have to think and I like that.
44:51But I get a huge adrenaline rush from doing it.
44:55So I'm like, let's go fucking crazy.
44:58But it has to be in the right context, right?
45:00Because like when you stub your toe, you're not like into that.
45:03And I'm very, very selective with who I do extreme bondage for and I only do it with one company.
45:08Right.
45:09Is that Kink?
45:10No, I don't really care for Kink that much.
45:13Only if it's Aiden Starr, then absolutely.
45:15Everyone else, not so much.
45:17I shoot for insects with my hard stuff.
45:20Okay.
45:21Actually, it's funny because I dated a dom for a while and that was like his favorite website.
45:26Dude, I cannot say enough about them.
45:29They've been so great to me.
45:33We've done the waterboarding with them, which was pretty scary.
45:38I've done all the things that I didn't think I'd ever do.
45:41I'm petrified of a cattle prod and I tried that out around Thanksgiving just because I know I'm in a situation where it's safe and they know what they're doing.
45:48So do you get the sense like, okay, I'm afraid of this thing.
45:53I want to try to conquer that fear through a safe environment.
45:56Yeah.
45:57I'm like, what can I do to scare the shit out of myself?
45:59I'm like, let's mummify me.
46:02Let's try that.
46:03What is that?
46:04Oh, so I assume they wrap you in bandages.
46:06Yeah, they wrapped me really tight and then bagged my head on top of it and it's like a claustrophobic feeling, which is pretty cool.
46:14And then I was like, I want to try needleplay and they do really, do you know who London Rivers?
46:19Yes.
46:20She does all of her crazy stuff with them.
46:21Okay.
46:22So I'm like, I want to do needleplay.
46:24They've like sewed her vagina up before.
46:27What?
46:28Yeah.
46:29So I'm like, I want to try it.
46:30Just my boobs.
46:31And I also get my nipples pierced.
46:32So this will be a test to see if I can handle it.
46:34And so we did that.
46:35And then like last month, I got my nipples pierced.
46:37I'm like, yes, I can do it.
46:40Wow.
46:41That's some crazy, crazy shit.
46:43Yeah.
46:44I like it.
46:45It's fun.
46:46Yeah, I can tell.
46:47Yeah.
46:48I would sew not to be in any of that stuff.
46:50And I, you know, I like it kind of rough, but you were like next level.
46:55The waterboarding was like probably the only thing I don't think I'll try again.
46:59That was really traumatizing.
47:00Like, that's no joke.
47:01We did it inverted, like the right, like how it would be done.
47:04Yeah, the correct way.
47:05And I'm like, wow, dude, I couldn't handle very much of it.
47:09And I can take a lot.
47:10And I was like, oh, I can't do this.
47:12Yikes.
47:13Yeah.
47:14Oh, my God.
47:15Maddie, you were like next level shit girl, I gotta say.
47:18I am thoroughly impressed.
47:20I just like to shock people, you know?
47:21Yeah.
47:22Because I don't look like it.
47:23People expect me to, like, if you're into bondage,
47:25I should have black hair and tattoos and be goth
47:28and, like, I'm your girl next door that likes to get beat up.
47:32Do you feel like that's a big part of your success?
47:34Because, like, your image is so different than, like, what you actually do.
47:39Yeah.
47:40I think there's an appeal to that.
47:42I know, like, when I watch harder stuff,
47:45I want to see the girl that looks like she doesn't do it do a lot of crazy stuff.
47:49Yeah, the unexpected.
47:50Yeah, yeah.
47:51I got it.
47:53Well, thank you so much for coming on, Maddie.
47:55Thank you for having me.
47:56This is great.
47:57And I won't lie, you made my skin crawl a couple times, but in a good way.
48:02Awesome.
48:03I don't know if I could.
48:04I, like, kind of want to go watch these scenes that you've done,
48:06but I don't know if I can.
48:08I might, like, have to watch it through my fingers.
48:12But props to you for all that because that's some pretty intense stuff,
48:16and I'm very impressed.
48:18Thank you.
48:19I'm a huge fan of yours.
48:21I've been, like, watching you post about the podcast,
48:23and I'm like, dude, I totally want to do that.
48:25But I didn't want to be, like, cheesing reach out to you.
48:27And then you're like, will you do it?
48:28I'm like, ah, fuck yes.
48:29I've been wanting to.
48:30Yay.
48:31Yeah, no, of course.
48:32I'm very honored that you came on.
48:34Thank you for having me.
48:35Can you tell everybody where they can find you on social media
48:38and if you have anything in particular that you want to promote?
48:42You can follow me on Twitter at MaddieOReillyXXX
48:45and on Instagram, xMaddieOReillyX.
48:48Fantastic.
48:50All right.
48:51Thank you so much, Maddie.
48:52Thank you.
48:53And I will see the rest of you guys next week.