The Jeremy Kyle Show (21 Feb 2017)
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00:10On today's show...
00:18So, he comes to you and he says, I know we've got three kids, I know we're in a blissful eight-year relationship, but by the way, I fathered a love child with somebody else.
00:25Yeah.
00:26So, I'm going to pass a latex test and I'm going to call him.
00:31Jeremy, it's like she wants to meet...
00:37I made up a Facebook profile. He didn't know it was me and I sent him messages and he arranged to meet up with her for sex.
00:45And didn't he send pictures to you?
00:47Yeah.
00:48What of?
00:51So, I'm only human.
00:57Stop sticking your nose in where it don't belong.
00:59Mum, you need to accept my husband or stay out of my life.
01:04It's just one thing after another with her. They're hostile.
01:07I've had enough.
01:09Who are you?
01:10Do you know I'm gay because she's in love with my son?
01:14She's not so big gay, you big man.
01:16You can start with women.
01:18She's there.
01:19I have an opinion on you and the lies she's told me.
01:24I'm serious. I'm serious.
01:25Do you know what? You're a little rat.
01:46Hello, my friends. Good morning. It is ever a big, big welcome to the show.
01:49Now, my first guest today, Melissa, is here to receive make or break lie detector results.
01:53As she says, she is utterly convinced her partner, Richard,
01:56has cheated on her more than the couple of times she already knows about,
01:59and, check this, could have fathered a second second love child.
02:06I think it would have been when he fathered the first,
02:08but the second might be the point at which she says, I can't do it.
02:10She says if he fails, it's over for good.
02:12This lady says today is D-Day. Melissa is on the Jeremy Kyle show.
02:15That way.
02:23You all right?
02:25You all right, love? Yeah.
02:26You look nervous.
02:27I am a little bit, yes.
02:28Are you? Welcome to the show.
02:29They told me that your biggest fear is that I'm going to have a go at you,
02:32that you're still with this bloke.
02:33So sit back, relax.
02:34You've been in a relationship with Richard for eight years.
02:36He's 34, you're 25.
02:38Let's just... How did you meet?
02:40We met at a house party.
02:42Nice. Yeah.
02:43Now, somewhere in the midst of all of this happy, blissful relationship
02:46where you met at a house party, this guy cheated.
02:50What do we know? What are facts?
02:52Right.
02:54He's cheated twice on me, that I know of.
02:58And basically, I'm here today...
03:00Shut up!
03:02And I just wanted...
03:03I didn't realise I'd asked him to... Shut up!
03:07Oi!
03:08Did I...? Sorry.
03:12At what point did I...?
03:14I don't give a damn I'm talking about it to her now,
03:16so shut your mouth, sit down, and when I say you can speak, you can!
03:20He's a big jerk.
03:25So he comes to you and he says,
03:27I know we've got three kids,
03:28I know we're in a blissful eight-year relationship,
03:30but by the way, I fathered a love child with somebody else.
03:32Yeah.
03:33Tell me how that comes to be, how that happens.
03:36I found out off one of our friends.
03:40Oh, yeah!
03:41Oh, yeah!
03:49I would have thought that a man that's done to a woman what you've done
03:52would have the intelligence, right, to shut your mouth until I...
03:55Ladies and gentlemen... Sit down and be quiet.
03:57Sit down.
04:02I love the fact that he can justify the fact that he's a toerag
04:05and has treated you like that by shouting out,
04:09He had a kid with somebody else.
04:11Yeah. Can you find that out? What happens?
04:13Obviously, I was devastated,
04:15but I also had a six-week-old baby in my arms.
04:17A six-week-old baby.
04:22Now, recently, so that creates no trust.
04:25You think he's done it twice.
04:27He's... Now, you have to help me out with this,
04:29cos I'm a bit of a...
04:30He sexted other women when you were pregnant.
04:32What does that mean?
04:33Well, he was, like, sending women dirty messages.
04:36You're the one who sexted that...
04:41What part of you're having a hard time...
04:48You're not funny. Shut up.
04:55I know that.
04:57Two... Two... I can't even...
04:59Do you know what? He's had two affairs.
05:02He's got a love child, right,
05:04and then recently you get another letter.
05:06What does that say?
05:08Social Services want him to do a DNA test
05:10to see if he fathered someone else's baby.
05:12I'm doing my night away.
05:14The letter was received last week.
05:16Social Services sent a letter saying
05:18he's fathered another love child, they want him to do a DNA test.
05:21The non-stop rumours make me paranoid.
05:23How can I trust a man who has cheated?
05:25Can I, without you getting upset...
05:27I understand that we love people... Shut up!
05:30I understand that we love people that perhaps we shouldn't love,
05:33but what part of you is working out that this guy is worth anything?
05:36Are you and your children not worth more than this guy, by a mile?
05:39APPLAUSE
05:41And the fact that he's shouting like that tells me everything.
05:44I'm on your side, OK?
05:46What's your problem?
05:48What's your proof?
05:50What is your proof?
05:52Listen, here's the thing...
05:56When I say, you can come on, you can come on.
05:59Go. Go. Go.
06:04And you, you're supposed to protect me.
06:07Richard's on the Jeremy Carl Show, give him a round of applause.
06:10Go on, go.
06:16So, you meet this woman, eight years, three kids,
06:20and then you have, what, an affair, a one-night stand,
06:23you father a love child.
06:25And that's OK, is it?
06:27No, I'm not saying that's OK.
06:29Then why are you giving it large out there?
06:31Everyone makes mistakes. You make what?
06:33I'm a woman at the end of the day, I'm not a robot, am I?
06:36Well, obviously not. I do wrong things.
06:39I don't mean to do them, but I do.
06:41How many times have you cheated on her? Twice.
06:43And in that time, you fathered a love child?
06:46I don't know about that.
06:48What do you mean, you don't know about that?
06:50I didn't know at the time there was a kid involved.
06:53Why didn't you put something on the end of it
06:55and then you wouldn't have been a father again, would you?
06:58APPLAUSE
07:00Have you ever stopped when you're shouting and ranting and raving
07:03and tried to work out what this indeed has done to this woman
07:06that you purport to love, yes or no?
07:08At the end of the day, I'm going to pass,
07:10at the end of the day, take the test, and I'm going to prove my love.
07:13Well, you know what I mean.
07:15I have a good laugh, everyone.
07:16I get mixed up with my words right away, you know what I mean?
07:18But obviously you don't get mixed up when you're taking your trousers off
07:21and having sex with other women.
07:23Do you?
07:24Catfish, brilliant. This is my favourite story.
07:26Please tell these good people in as loud a voice as possible
07:29how you got this tow-rag back. Go on, tell them.
07:32I made up a Facebook profile,
07:35and I set him up because he didn't know it was me
07:39and I was sending him messages
07:41and he arranged to meet up with her for sex.
07:44And he was out of the house for two and a half hours.
07:47And didn't he send pictures to you?
07:49Yeah. What of?
07:51LAUGHTER
07:53So, I'm only human.
07:55But that is a...
07:58How much more proof do you need?
08:01I just want to know the truth.
08:03Yeah, but it wasn't with other women, or was it?
08:05It was literally her.
08:06You know, she was on the second floor.
08:09So how...
08:10So you didn't know it was her?
08:12Let's not mix up the words.
08:14How could I be cheating behind her back?
08:16Well, at the time, it was her at the whole time.
08:18So, you know, I don't see...
08:20But you didn't know...
08:21I don't understand much, but I understand this, you idiot.
08:24Catfishing means you didn't know she was.
08:26But, like, mentally, you were cheating.
08:28Did you know it was her?
08:29Oh, her? Yeah.
08:30Not at the time, no.
08:32LAUGHTER
08:33Game set match.
08:34Yeah, but it's like when you go on Facebook, Jeremy, right?
08:37Well, I don't, so I wouldn't know!
08:39It's your problem, isn't it? Not mine.
08:41AUDIENCE GROANS
08:43No.
08:44I'm just trying to explain my part of it now.
08:46There is no defence for what you've done.
08:48I've not seen it, is.
08:49How many times have you cheated?
08:51Twice, I said.
08:52So you will pass the lie detector?
08:54Yes, I will.
08:55I'm going to pass it.
08:57And then, you know, so this love child that you fathered,
09:00there was a letter recently from social services.
09:03What's that all about?
09:04Er...
09:06Apparently, I'm a...
09:09I'm a potential father to another kid.
09:12How could she be if you only cheated on her twice?
09:15Which I didn't even know about, Jeremy.
09:19It gives me hope when I meet men like you, I must say.
09:22LAUGHTER
09:24Have you tidied up your hair a bit? Maybe I'll show you.
09:27LAUGHTER
09:38I don't know why this has become about me!
09:42On a serious note, note from the examiner.
09:44This is important, be quiet.
09:46Richard claimed that the two occasions he cheated
09:49were both one-night stands with two separate women.
09:52Richard admits that he has fathered two children,
09:56but claims that Melissa only knows about one.
09:59AUDIENCE GASPS
10:01So you did father two children, yeah?
10:03Yeah.
10:05Wet, wet, wet, darling.
10:06AUDIENCE GASPS
10:09I think we'll do the rest of the lie detector results after the break.
10:12Don't go anywhere right now.
10:15I'm no monster.
10:17Well, why are you, then?
10:18I'm not for this, Rich. I really am.
10:22Her sister can't have an opinion on me because she's never met me,
10:25she's never sat down with me.
10:26Can't have an opinion on you?
10:27She's seen it for five minutes and that is it.
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11:07Thank you very much indeed. Welcome back.
11:10Sorry.
11:12I need to read this to you.
11:13Richard claimed that the two occasions he cheated
11:15were both one-night stands with two separate women.
11:17He's fathered two children but claims that Melissa only knows about one.
11:20He denies fathering a third child with the woman who has accused him recently.
11:26Do you want me to do this?
11:27Yeah.
11:28Apart from the two people you've admitted to during your relationship with Melissa,
11:31have you passionately kissed any other person?
11:33He said no.
11:34You won't be surprised to know that your boyfriend was lying.
11:38Apart from the two people you've admitted to during your relationship with Melissa,
11:41have you had sexual contact with any other person?
11:43He said no.
11:44You won't be surprised to know that your boyfriend was lying.
11:46In fact, I don't want to do this to you, but I'm going to tell you,
11:48he's lied on every single question.
11:50And not only did he arrive here saying he'd only fathered one love child,
11:54he's now admitted it to two.
11:58So what's the truth? How many?
12:01Even that's not the truth, is it?
12:03What?
12:04How many love children have you got?
12:06Two.
12:07No, you haven't. Go on.
12:09What would you know? Where are we?
12:10Why have you only told her two today, then?
12:12She knows it's only two.
12:13She's just making a silent dance about it all.
12:15I know about Reg.
12:16Two.
12:17You haven't even said on the phone before you've done the lie detector.
12:22You've fathered two other children with two other women,
12:24and apart from that, you've failed this lie detector,
12:26and you're having a go at me, are you?
12:28No, I'm not having a go.
12:30How do you expect this woman to react?
12:33It's disgusting.
12:34It's natural, isn't it?
12:36What's natural?
12:37The way she's feeling now. It's natural.
12:39How many times have you cheated on her?
12:40Twice.
12:41Then why have you failed this lie detector?
12:43Do you know what I mean? It was twice.
12:46So the only two times you've cheated,
12:48you've fathered a child on both occasions?
12:51I haven't actually fathered them because I haven't seen them.
12:53I stopped seeing my kids.
12:55But you've got two love children, yeah?
12:57Yes, I've got two love children.
12:58But she only knew about one.
13:01She knew about the two.
13:02Can you help me out here, Melissa?
13:04I only knew about the one.
13:05She only knew about the one.
13:10I love the fact that you're that so full of yourself
13:13that you think the only twice you've ever had sex
13:15with two other women, you've fathered a child.
13:17You've cheated on her non-stop, haven't you?
13:19God knows how, but you haven't.
13:20No, I haven't.
13:21Yes, you have.
13:22No, I haven't.
13:23Why don't you tell her the truth, you horrible man?
13:24I'm not a monster.
13:25What?
13:26I'm not a monster.
13:27Well, what are you, then?
13:28Well, I flashed them badly the other day.
13:30Talk to him, darling, because you know what's going to happen.
13:32I've had enough of this, Rich. I really have.
13:34It's over today.
13:36I told him that before we came on the show.
13:39You know what?
13:40You know what?
13:42Hold on a second.
13:43You told my team,
13:44Richard admits that he's fathered two children
13:46but claims Melissa only knows about one.
13:48That's what you told my team?
13:50Yeah.
13:51What do you want about...
13:52How do I know about two, then?
13:53I only know about one.
13:54So you, in essence, didn't know, did you?
13:56No.
13:58So you lied to her?
14:00I didn't lie to her.
14:01Yes, you did.
14:02She didn't know.
14:03I didn't lie to her.
14:04I just kept it away from her.
14:07I was basically lying.
14:08I didn't lie to her.
14:09I just didn't tell her the truth.
14:11Here's the thing I need to say to you.
14:13Really easy for me to say and hard for you.
14:17I can sit here and I can go,
14:18How much more are you going to take?
14:19Why don't you dump this bloke?
14:21You're worth more, but you won't.
14:23A relationship works when there's two ways.
14:25Trust, honesty, communication.
14:27This guy has disrespected you for far too long.
14:30And I know that the thought of being on your own
14:33with your kids and finally admitting or accepting
14:37that he is everything that everybody else has said
14:39is really, really horrible.
14:40But look me in the face.
14:41What did you get from this guy?
14:45Literally.
14:46Well, that rather sums it up, doesn't it?
14:48I know you've got two children,
14:49but at the end of the day, they and you deserve better.
14:51I know you'll go home with them.
14:52I know you'll work it out.
14:53But I'm telling you something now,
14:54whether you like this or not,
14:55this relationship is doomed forever.
14:57Yeah.
14:58Because he is a habitual liar.
15:00Yeah.
15:01And you are worth more.
15:10One thing's for sure, isn't it?
15:12When this goes out, nobody's going to touch you with a bargepole.
15:15Give her a round of applause.
15:20Good luck to them, Ryan.
15:21My next guest today, Michaela and mum Kay,
15:23who both say they're very concerned that Laura,
15:25who is Kay's daughter and Michaela's sister,
15:27is a compulsive liar.
15:28Michaela refused to go to her sister's wedding
15:30to her husband, Anthony.
15:31Michaela and Kay both say that they are struggling
15:33to have a relationship with Laura,
15:35as they believe she puts Anthony before them
15:37and they want to get to the bottom of the why.
15:39They are here, Michaela and Kay.
15:40Give them a round of applause.
15:41Michaela, hello.
15:42Are you all right?
15:44Listen, help me out,
15:45because it is a little bit confusing, this.
15:48Let's start with...
15:49Well, whoever.
15:50Start with Michaela.
15:52Laura is your sister.
15:53Yes.
15:54What's the...
15:55Help us out.
15:56What's the issue, really, overall?
15:58Well, it all started a few years ago.
16:02Laura and Anthony had a short relationship.
16:06I'm at home, I get a phone call,
16:09and there was an allegation,
16:10a very vicious and serious allegation...
16:12You've had nothing to do with me on this relationship.
16:14..made against Anthony.
16:15OK.
16:16So, me and my husband drove over there, picked her up.
16:19Yes, yes.
16:20This lie was carried on for four...
16:22Let her speak, darling, please. Go on.
16:24This lie was carried on for four months.
16:27Then it came out that it was all a lie.
16:31That she'd made it up?
16:32Yes.
16:33She carried it on...
16:34I can go into it, but it was a very serious allegation.
16:37You say that you believed at that moment
16:39that nobody that could be anything other than vindictive
16:42and a manipulative person would do that.
16:44You refused to go to her wedding.
16:47Are you saying that you're on his side?
16:49Are you saying they're as bad as each other?
16:51Why would she need to do... You weren't even invited to the wedding!
16:54Be quiet. Why would she need to do that?
16:56Well, it was to cover up...
16:58She didn't want the family to know
17:01that she was actually the one that was arrested
17:03for putting a brick through somebody's window.
17:05So she turned that on him and made all of us feel sorry for her.
17:09If she made up this sort of serious allegation
17:11and we found out that she...
17:12Why is he still with somebody who thinks it's all right to lie like that?
17:15I don't know.
17:16But I think that's where half of his aggression comes from.
17:18Wouldn't you feel a little bit hostile against somebody?
17:21Was the allegation true?
17:23Well, she says no. She admits to lying.
17:25So she says that she made it up?
17:27Yes, yes.
17:28What, for attention?
17:29Well, I don't know. She's been like this for years.
17:32She also claims that he's violent and aggressive towards her.
17:35You, as a woman, quite interesting, sitting here saying,
17:37well, there's a part of me that understands that.
17:40I'm not condoning it.
17:41No, not in any way, but you can understand his frustration.
17:43Well, yeah, yeah, I can.
17:45Yeah, I think I'd hold hostility towards somebody
17:47that made up something like that against me.
17:49I... It's just one thing after another with her.
17:51They're hostile.
17:53The night of the wedding, they didn't even go home together.
17:56He spent it in a flat, getting drunk with friends.
17:59Why do you two feel the need...
18:01Do you feel like... I mean, it's quite interesting,
18:03cos most people will come on and they'll say,
18:05my sister's husband, my daughter's boyfriend,
18:07her husband-to-be is a nightmare, we don't want...
18:09But you're almost saying, it's my daughter, it's my sister.
18:12It's both. It's both.
18:13It's both.
18:14He got arrested on his wedding night, didn't he?
18:16Yeah, well, that morning, yeah,
18:17and then he got sent to jail for wounding with intent.
18:19Laura made a video...
18:20It's a romantic night, isn't it, your wedding night?
18:22Arrested for wounding with intent.
18:24Laura...
18:25Why are you bringing up my past? I'll bring yours up when I come on, watch!
18:28There you go, she's had a five-minute sprain.
18:30Right? No? Right.
18:32Why are you here, though?
18:33Why don't you just let them get on with their lives?
18:35Are they impinging on yours?
18:36Every time...
18:38It's me, I'm...
18:39Every time I say to her, I've had enough,
18:42she always comes back, I need my sister,
18:45I need this, I need that,
18:47pulls on my heartstrings, so I go toddling back.
18:50And do you know what? I've had enough.
18:52Everywhere she goes, it's hostile.
18:55Everywhere she goes, there's a path of destruction.
18:58What do you want to say to her today?
19:00Get help!
19:01Why do you think it is, it is attention?
19:03Yeah, I think she does something wrong,
19:06and she doesn't want to accept that,
19:09so it's, right, OK, well, let's turn that round on you.
19:12How can I make you out to be the bad person,
19:14take the attention away from me?
19:16What do you think about your daughter, her behaviour?
19:19I think it's the pair of them.
19:22Antony's had, um...
19:24Don't they just laugh?
19:26Most of it that I know about Antony is hearsay from Laura,
19:29what Laura's told me.
19:31She told me that Antony's violent,
19:33sometimes she used to flat up, throws things.
19:36But then she's been found out in lies, lots of lies.
19:43She's actually said to me that...
19:45What do you want to say to her today?
19:47She's had help in the past and I accepted it.
19:49What I want to say to Laura, you both need help,
19:51accept it and follow it through.
19:53All right, let's get her out. Laura's on the Jeremy Carr Show.
19:55Give her a round of applause.
20:03Token pull of the chair.
20:05What's going on here, Laura? Help me out.
20:08Right, well, the lies of my past,
20:10I'll admit I lied and I'll admit I lied about something I shouldn't.
20:13Something pretty horrific. But at the end of the day...
20:15Why would you make something like that up?
20:17I don't want to go into too much detail,
20:19but it's disgusting by anybody's standards. Why did you do that?
20:21Because I wanted attention.
20:23My mum's never given me attention my whole life.
20:25You made up the most serious allegation a woman can make
20:28against a man that you're married to to get attention from your mother.
20:31What do you think that does to the rest of the women
20:33who might be victims of such a thing
20:35and are too scared to speak out, love?
20:37What do you think about that?
20:43No? Nothing? Nothing from you?
20:46When? She didn't even tell my mum to begin with, it was me.
20:49If she wanted attention from my mum, why did you ring me?
20:52Answer your sister.
20:54Why was it me driving all the way over there to pick you up?
20:57Why was it me coming over every weekend to collect you?
21:00Why was it me that you was putting all the pressure on?
21:03You wanted attention from Mum, why did you come to me?
21:06That is a feeble excuse.
21:08Are you in a volatile relationship?
21:10If it depends what you mean by volatile, no, it's not volatile.
21:14Who are you?
21:17Who are you?
21:19Go. Go.
21:23I want to know what this relationship is like.
21:28Hell.
21:30With you and Anthony, why do you feel the need to lie about it to get attention?
21:34I haven't lied about my relationship, I've just lied about that accusation.
21:37But that's appalling!
21:39Anthony will tell you himself I haven't lied about the relationship.
21:42Help me out here, guys, I'm confused.
21:44And I'm being honest.
21:46You know, after today, you lied.
21:48You lied about everything that went on.
21:50Your wedding morning, you did a video statement
21:52saying he's this massive, feeble thug,
21:54picking people up, smashing them over his knee with his back.
21:57Don't say you didn't.
21:59My wedding morning, that sat next to you was with me, so that's a lie.
22:02Really? Yes.
22:04You were the one that rang me and Mum and you told us.
22:06Day after the wedding.
22:08Day after.
22:10OK, day after.
22:12Has your relationship with your sister always been volatile?
22:14Yeah, well, I don't care, I don't want nothing to do with me.
22:16So what is this, is this just a jealousy thing,
22:18you're trying to score cheap points by saying I'm with a guy who's violent and aggressive?
22:21I don't know, I don't even know why they ask him.
22:23Let's get him out, Anthony's on The Jeremy Carr Show.
22:32What's the story here, are you violent and aggressive?
22:35Not towards Laura, no.
22:37What does that mean?
22:39I've never hit her, I've never punched her.
22:41I've punched walls, punched doors, windows, and what?
22:44And what what?
22:46And what? Yeah, and what?
22:48Why have you started on her? Someone should come out and start on me.
22:51What are you starting on a woman for? I'm not so big, are you, big man?
22:54You can start...
23:01Why are you so angry, pal?
23:03Why are you so angry?
23:05I don't understand.
23:07Because I'm angry? Yeah.
23:09Because I've seen things in my life, things have happened in my life.
23:11It's not to do with what she made up, nothing at all.
23:14Is your relationship with her good? Yeah.
23:17And what, they're interfering?
23:19They don't even know me, so...
23:21Do you know what I mean?
23:23I don't understand.
23:25They've never seen... A sister can't have an opinion on me because she's never met me,
23:27she's never sat down with me. I have an opinion on you.
23:29She's seen me for five minutes. Well, then talk to her, she's there.
23:31I have an opinion on you on the lies she's told me.
23:34She tells me that you do that to her.
23:36What do you expect me to think?
23:38Four months, I believed you'd done that.
23:40Four months of her coming to my home,
23:42telling me explicit details
23:44about the police being involved, what they were doing.
23:46Four months, Anthony,
23:48to find out that it's a lie. Is it a lie?
23:50I don't think she knows the truth of my lies.
23:52Why would she lie about such things about you, pal?
23:54That's what I'm asking. I don't know.
23:56Didn't that absolutely rock you to the core?
23:58Course it did. Course it did.
24:00And that's a different excuse. Because I know I've done nothing at all.
24:02So why are you still with her, pal?
24:04Because at the end of the day, she's my wife, I love her to pieces,
24:06and nobody's ever going to split us, and that's why.
24:08How long have you been married for?
24:10Not even a year. 28th of May last year.
24:12And she made that accusation.
24:14And you sit there and say nothing. I'm struggling.
24:16I don't know what people want from this.
24:18We've got your mother, she's coming out next.
24:20Don't go anywhere, I'm right back.
24:22What do you want from today? Help with my husband's anger
24:24and them to go away and never talk to me again.
24:26She didn't even come to her grandson's funeral!
24:28Yes, she did!
24:31Psychic was right on one, could be right on this.
24:34What does today mean, darling?
24:36Have a Sunday. Let's do it.
24:38Give me those results, please.
24:46So this just in, and it's breaking news this morning, apparently, Graham.
24:49Something big is happening in Media City.
24:51Yeah, let's find out what's happening from our weatherman.
24:53There's a storm brewing, Mr Kyle.
25:00Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
25:13Get out of my studio. Get in there.
25:19Stop it, get off me.
25:21My little man, Brady.
25:23Come here, come here.
25:27Hi.
25:30Get away, get away.
25:34You're on stage now.
25:38Don't you dare!
25:51Have you got a jealous partner?
25:53Are you the one that cannot control your jealousy?
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26:16APPLAUSE
26:26Look, just, Michaela, Kate,
26:28it's almost like everybody's dragged in.
26:31This is about, what, sisters at war,
26:33a daughter who wants her mother's attention?
26:35What is this about?
26:37A daughter that maybe does want her mum's attention.
26:40Different ways of getting it.
26:42She's always had it.
26:44Can you answer that?
26:46I don't know what she means. I'm there for her.
26:48I've supported her in lots of difficult situations in her life.
26:51The person I call mum, which is Julie,
26:54has done more for me in the last two years
26:56than what that's done in my whole life.
26:58That? Yeah, that.
27:00Julie's on The Jeremy Carl Show.
27:08How did you feel that she made up an allegation
27:10we can't go into fact about your son and he's still with her?
27:13We're not here for that allegation.
27:15We're not here for that allegation. No, but I don't...
27:17I don't care. I don't care.
27:19Let me answer my questions, please.
27:21Bad.
27:23I couldn't understand why she'd done it, to be honest.
27:25Did you ever get to the bottom of why she'd done it? No.
27:28I mean... I did ask, but...
27:30There are cries for help,
27:32there are moments when you want attention,
27:34but that's ridiculous, isn't it?
27:36All right, make it very simple. What do you want from today?
27:39Help with my husband's anger and them to go away
27:41and never talk to me again. You have got anger problems.
27:44Next time something goes wrong, don't come knocking on my door.
27:47Yeah, you have to listen. That's relevant.
27:49You know what? She was there for everything for you.
27:52She was there. No, she wasn't.
27:54When you was having an affair, she was there.
27:56When your son passed away, she was there.
27:59No, she wasn't. She has always been there.
28:01She didn't even come to her grandson's funeral.
28:03Yes, she did. She was there.
28:05No, she didn't. Ask her. Ask her.
28:07She did. Ask her. I came to one, but not the other.
28:09You came to your grandson Gareth's funeral?
28:11Cos you told me I wasn't allowed in.
28:13The one that you was going to get arrested for.
28:15She was there. She was there.
28:17You weren't there. Shut your mouth.
28:19You were going to get arrested.
28:21See you. See you.
28:23Do you know what? You're a little rat.
28:25Drop dead. Drop dead.
28:28Rat. You're a rat.
28:30So you're ready to walk away from your family,
28:32but you want us to help your husband with his anger issues,
28:36which I hardly am surprised if you make up the lies you do.
28:39Ask him if that's what it's because of.
28:41He didn't want me to mention it cos he's going to kick off.
28:43Obviously there's some hostility there if I'm not allowed to mention
28:46what the allegation was.
28:48So this is a deep-seated problem you've had for years, yeah?
28:51Yeah. But you stand by your wife?
28:53Yeah, course I do. So for us, the resolve is we get you help
28:56with anger, anger management, something like that,
28:58to make your life easier.
29:00And you two and you three, never the twain shall meet.
29:03Is that right? Yep. Is that right?
29:05Yeah, it seems so. It's good enough for me.
29:07You go that way, you go that way.
29:11Sometimes it's just best to walk away.
29:13We'll let you know. Right, my next guest today,
29:15Tracey's here for life-changing DNA results.
29:17Check this, this is really interesting.
29:19After a psychic told her the man she believed to be her father
29:21actually is not, she says,
29:23the psychic has predicted things that have come true in the past
29:25and she is petrified that David is not her father.
29:28It's a massive day, she's understandably nervous.
29:30Tracey is on The Jeremy Carr Show. Give her a round of applause.
29:33CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
29:38Thank you so much for coming on.
29:40Thank you. Are you OK? Yeah, I'm very nervous.
29:42I know you are, and I feel...
29:44I just... I feel very sympathetic towards you,
29:47but I'm also fascinated, because a lot of people watching this
29:50will have visited a psychic, a lot of people will just,
29:52at this exact moment, be going, what a pile of old twaddle.
29:55What I find fascinating is that you went to see the psychic in 2001.
30:01Instantly, from their mouth, that was said and the doubt set in.
30:06Yes. Did you mention to anybody?
30:08Did you mention it to David at all?
30:11Yes, I did to him and say...
30:13I said to him, and he said it was a load of...
30:18I said he didn't believe me. I don't want to upset you,
30:20but she also predicted something else would happen.
30:23What was it that she said?
30:25She predicted in 2002 that it was going to be a tragic accident.
30:29You lost your son in a house fire.
30:31Yeah, and said all the family would be there.
30:33It destroys you. Yes.
30:35Now, your dad doesn't believe any of it, he thinks it's nonsense.
30:38Mm-hm.
30:40You, backed up by the tragedy that you went through,
30:43don't know what to believe.
30:45You don't know what to think, I suppose.
30:49You've been very close to him over the years.
30:51Has this caused arguments recently?
30:53No.
30:55My dad's my rock, he's my soul mate.
30:57Can I absolutely tell, talking to you, what this means to you
30:59and how much of an important moment it is for you?
31:01I think, obviously, I need to get the issue dealt with now,
31:05because I've just actually started bereavement counselling.
31:08Psychic was right on one, could be right on this.
31:11What does today mean, darling?
31:13I was in.
31:15Give me, like, peace of mind and looking.
31:17What if he's not?
31:20When you look at him, do you think he's your dad?
31:22I'll be gutted.
31:24I've got a temper like him. Have you?
31:26He's got a temper, he's a wee man, but he's got a temper.
31:28Nothing would change if he's not, but I'm so hoping he is.
31:31I need some luck, yeah? Shall we get him out?
31:33Yes. All right, darling.
31:34David's on the Jeremy Carr Show. Well done.
31:46David, welcome to the show.
31:47I know you said, take a seat, my friend.
31:49This is the last place on earth that you thought you'd be.
31:51Yeah.
31:52You're 99% sure she's mine, but at the end of the day,
31:55there's always that little doubt.
31:57Do you think she's yours?
31:59Yeah.
32:00What does she mean to you?
32:01A lot.
32:03Oh, you're so nervous.
32:04An awful lot. Aren't you?
32:08Sorry.
32:10Let's do it. Give me those results, please.
32:12Are you OK?
32:15It's a difficult one because, you know, on the one hand,
32:17you want to go, as I said to you at the beginning,
32:19some people think it's all a pile of twaddle,
32:21others think it's very genuine.
32:25The DNA test does not show that David...
32:29..he's your dad!
32:38All right?
32:40All right?
32:47The difficulty for me, the difficulty for me is
32:50it's not right for me to say all psychics are right,
32:52it's certainly not right for me to say all psychics are wrong,
32:54but the truth of the matter is you've got the answer
32:56and you've spent, what, 15 years worrying about this,
32:58and God bless you, I hope.
33:00Thank you very much.
33:01Is that good?
33:02Yeah.
33:03Happy? Oh, bless you.
33:04Give her a round of applause.
33:06Father and daughter, lovely.
33:08Well done.
33:11Good luck to them, Ryan.
33:12My next guest today, Maureen, says that just 18 months ago,
33:15she was introduced to a man named Chris
33:17who could potentially be her half-brother.
33:19She says that when she saw Chris for the first time,
33:21she was taken aback at just how much he looked like her late dad,
33:23and today she says she needs to know
33:25if their shared surname is just a coincidence
33:27or if, in fact, he is her brother.
33:29Big day for this lady.
33:30People come on this show and they go,
33:32is this a sibling, is this my mum, is this my dad?
33:34Massive, massive moment for this lady.
33:36At 53, is there a half-brother out there?
33:39Maureen is on The Kyle Show. That way.
33:41APPLAUSE
33:50Are you? Glad you're here, though.
33:52Why are you nervous? Of them, they should be at work.
33:54Don't worry about them. Lazy, lazy.
33:56This is sort of an amazing story and a shocking story as well.
34:00Yeah.
34:01Potential half-brother in Chris, 49, you're 53.
34:05You say that you met him 18 months ago.
34:08Before we talk about that, growing up, what...
34:10I mean, tell us, help me out.
34:15As far as I know, there was just five of us,
34:18my three brothers and my sister.
34:21My mum and dad parted when...
34:24My youngest brother was something like 18 months, so...
34:28Was he your dad growing up?
34:30No, no. I didn't get to know him until I was, like, 15.
34:34So, erm...
34:36Just got on with our lives.
34:39And then, erm, my youngest son was 26.
34:43About 18 months ago, he's gone on a boat with a girl,
34:48one of the estates.
34:50And, erm, she told my friend, my mum's friends,
34:54coming round later on, how they introduced her to him, so...
34:59This is when Christopher walks in, my potential half-brother.
35:02Listen to this.
35:04This guy walks in the kitchen, a friend of a friend,
35:06on an estate that she'd just popped in for a drink.
35:08He said it was like the ghost, she'd seen a ghost,
35:10it was like a spit of your dad.
35:12So, Christopher walks in to Luke's girlfriends
35:17and says, Hello.
35:18I said, I'm Luke.
35:19He said, Hello, I'm Christopher.
35:21I said, Oh, what's your last name, son?
35:23He went, Oh.
35:25I said, Oh.
35:26He said, Er, funny, this is supposed to call my real dad.
35:30I said, Er, what was his name?
35:32He said, Oh, Bernard, that's my granddad,
35:34call my granddad Bernard.
35:35So, I went, Oh, funny enough,
35:37this is supposed to call my real dad Bernard.
35:39So, Luke comes home and tells me the story.
35:41He said, Mum, have you got any brothers and sisters
35:44that you don't know about?
35:45And I burst out laughing.
35:46I said, Do you know what you're on about?
35:48He said, Er, are you sure you haven't got no brothers and sisters
35:50that you don't know about?
35:51I went, No.
35:53So, I said, I met this guy.
35:55I said, I'll call him Chris.
35:57He said, My granddad's his dad.
35:59I went, Nah.
36:00I said, Too coincidental.
36:02He said, Hmm.
36:03He said, Can I bring him round?
36:04I went, Bring him round if you want.
36:06When I said hello to him, he said,
36:08Oh, I've just moved down the same street as you.
36:10No way.
36:11He'd moved about ten doors away from me.
36:14Your dad died 15 years ago.
36:16You say people were aware that he had affairs behind your mum's back.
36:20You say it's such a shock because not only does he live close by,
36:23friends say we laugh and act the same like siblings would.
36:27It's bittersweet as well.
36:28I got this today.
36:29You said, I'll be upset if we're not related
36:31because we've grown close,
36:33but if I am, you know, we'll cherish every day,
36:36but I'll regret all the years that we missed.
36:39Do you think that you bonded with him too much,
36:41seeing as how you don't know the truth yet
36:43or have you left a line, really?
36:46We make each other laugh and, like, my potential half-sister, like,
36:51she's got a photograph of me, what she showed her friends.
36:54I said, Oh, when did you get that done?
36:55She said, Oh, it's not me, it's my half-sister.
36:57I said, What half-sister?
36:58Now I've got a photograph.
36:59He was a busy boy, wasn't he?
37:00Probably your dad.
37:01I'd been showing it to my friends.
37:02My friends went, Oh, when did you get that done?
37:04Do you want him to be your brother?
37:05Yeah.
37:06Shall we get him out?
37:07Yeah, yeah.
37:08Oh, look at the grin.
37:09How are you going to be if he's not?
37:11He's got stage fright.
37:12He's had stage fright all day.
37:13I've had it all year.
37:14What are you going to do if he's not?
37:18Well, we'll just, I don't know, keep in touch and...
37:21Keep a balance to you.
37:22I don't know the answer, but keep a balance.
37:24Chris is on The Jeremy Carr Show that way.
37:26APPLAUSE
37:35You like grinning, don't you, for God's sake?
37:37I'll sit there with Jeremy.
37:38All right, son?
37:39All right.
37:40This time it's a complete shot.
37:41This kind of thing doesn't happen.
37:42Maureen was introduced to my family.
37:44Photographs were dug out.
37:45We all look the same.
37:46We live in the same row, yet our paths never crossed.
37:49I'm 50 years old.
37:50I never thought there would be another side to my family.
37:53Differing now.
37:54All right.
37:55It's his turn now.
37:56She's a bit gobby, isn't she?
37:58Well...
37:59Oh, yes or no?
38:01Well, I've got...
38:02Listen, I'm sat next to her, I can't say.
38:04Say what you want, mate.
38:05Can I ask you a question, Chris?
38:06I'm not being, you know, same surname, similar faces,
38:09same area, all that.
38:10I know that.
38:11You want to know about the blood.
38:12But you have bonded quite soon.
38:14Yeah, of course I have, yeah.
38:15What if she's not?
38:16What if you're not?
38:17Is that going to destroy you both?
38:19No, no, no.
38:20I mean, well, cos I'll lose my cleaner as well.
38:22She cleans back off.
38:23Tell me about it.
38:24I was trying this salt in the hotel.
38:26Sorry, hold on a minute.
38:27What did you just say?
38:28You just said, like, am I going to be a thingy?
38:30Well, clearly I will be bothered if she isn't,
38:32do you know what I mean?
38:33But I'll lose my cleaner.
38:34Do you clean for him?
38:35Yeah, I do his washing.
38:36Do you charge him?
38:37Yeah.
38:38Brilliant.
38:39If she's your sister, she shouldn't charge you.
38:41Exactly, so...
38:42Quitting.
38:43He charged me.
38:44What?
38:45She cost me a big buck, said.
38:47What's the matter?
38:48Brilliant, I love it.
38:49I only do it for six hours.
38:50What?
38:51I only do it for six hours.
38:53Six hours.
38:56I'm joking.
38:57Do you want her to be your sister?
38:59Yeah, of course, yeah.
39:00It's a closure for my twin and my own children.
39:04Good for you, mate.
39:05I've got grandkids as well, do you know what I mean?
39:07So it's a closure for them.
39:08Have a look at this photograph.
39:11That's your dad, right?
39:12So it's possible, yeah.
39:14I never met him, did I?
39:16You never met him?
39:17What was he like?
39:19He weren't a bad old stick, actually.
39:21Busy, wasn't he?
39:22Busy.
39:23Busy dad.
39:26He just made a lot of mistakes.
39:28Alison, if you took...
39:29Made a lot of mistakes.
39:31Sibling DNA, as you know, we can only test
39:35for being half-brother or sister,
39:37which would mean that you share one sibling in your case.
39:39One parent, which in your case would be your dad.
39:42So let me get this absolutely right.
39:43Your son, who's 26, went to a house party on the same estate.
39:46No-one sees girlfriend.
39:47Oh, you're just going to ruin me.
39:49Come on, then.
39:50Coming out of it again.
39:51But anyway, he came across him.
39:52We've said, I've got the same surname and I've got a grand...
39:54And that's how this started, 18 months ago.
39:56Yeah, yeah.
39:57So it all started, quite literally,
39:58when your son went to see his girlfriend and bumped into you.
40:01Sibling DNA, do you share the same father?
40:03The DNA test results show that Maureen and Chris...
40:08You are half-brother and sister!
40:10CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
40:12That's amazing!
40:13That's amazing!
40:15Look at that!
40:17That's good.
40:24Is that good?
40:25I know, she said, to be fair, she said bittersweet, right.
40:28She said...
40:29I knew as soon as he walked through me door, I knew.
40:32But you're not going to charge him now for cleaning and washing,
40:34are you?
40:35Yeah.
40:36Reduce rates though, isn't it, Shirley?
40:38Listen, half-brother and sister, get out of here,
40:40give him a round of applause.
40:41Very nice to meet you.
40:47If she was pregnant three weeks in,
40:49there's a chance that it's somebody else's, right?
40:51Oh, God, his name's Harry.
40:53What does he mean to you?
40:55He means a lot to me.
40:58The DNA test results show that Ryan...
41:10It's the UK's most controversial talk show...
41:13We've been waiting a year and a half for this.
41:15I cannot wait!
41:17..and internet sensation.
41:21CHEERING
41:28Thank you, Jeremy.
41:30Raw emotion.
41:31Is my daughter having an affair with my husband?
41:35I have never seen anything like that in my life.
41:38Explosive results.
41:40No, she's there, the other side of the door.
41:42Offset with his best friend, yeah?
41:44Oh!
41:45Tom, dick him, haven't you?
41:46Absolutely outrageous.
41:48Light-changing moments.
41:51I don't want you on this show, so why don't you do one, then?
41:55All at 9.25.
41:57What did you just call me? Stand up.
41:59Get off the stage!
42:00This lady found out James is now living as a woman.
42:04Why should I defend you?
42:12Unmissable TV.
42:16Are you having problems with your ex?
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42:42Thank you very much, Katie. Welcome back.
42:44My next guest today, Ryan, is here for definitive DNA proof
42:47as to whether or not he is father to partner Katie's two-month-old
42:50baby son.
42:51Now, Ryan says that Katie fell pregnant three weeks into their
42:5411-month relationship and says she told him that she had had sex
42:57with another man two weeks before meeting him.
42:59He says he's supported her throughout the pregnancy,
43:01he's raised this kid as his own, but he says the rumours in the local
43:04media are that he's had an affair with another woman.
43:07He says he's supported her throughout the pregnancy,
43:09he's raised this kid as his own, but he says the rumours in the local
43:12area that he isn't the dad has given him doubts.
43:15And honestly, this is a lovely, lovely couple,
43:18and just everybody's fingers are crossed.
43:20She's been very honest, it was before.
43:22Fingers crossed for them. Ryan's on The Kyle Show that way.
43:24Give him a round of applause.
43:32I have to tell you that I've done this a long time,
43:35but one of the words on this show says that you've been an absolute
43:37diamond, you've been polite, you've been brilliant.
43:40What does today mean for you and Katie?
43:42Today means a lot. I mean, it means the world.
43:45It really does mean the world.
43:46I need to find out, because these doubts,
43:49they call it the back of your head.
43:52They do...
43:55Been together a year, engage.
43:58Tell us about Tyler.
43:59You were told almost immediately that you got with her
44:02that she was pregnant.
44:03Yeah.
44:04Did you at any point know that there was a huge chance that you weren't?
44:08Yeah, and it calls it, yeah,
44:11and the doubt that it could not be yours does break your heart.
44:16I mean, I've been there for her constantly.
44:19I've brought her things, I've brought Tyler things,
44:22I've done unimaginable things,
44:25but I've been at the scan for her, each scan I went for.
44:28I think I only missed one by accident,
44:30and that was because I needed to go to work.
44:32I went up, got to work, I cycled to work.
44:34I'm always there on time.
44:35I've got to make sure that I'm doing it, if you know what I mean.
44:38I need to be the man.
44:40Yeah, I'm doing the man.
44:42I was...
44:44I was there at the birth.
44:46I see Tyler come out.
44:48I've got his... I've got his name tattooed.
44:51What does he mean to you?
44:53It means the world to me.
44:56Could you get over the fact that if he wasn't,
44:58do you think you and she could survive this or no?
45:01I'll try my hardest. I will do it.
45:03This guy works at a fast-food chain that's quite well-known.
45:07He works long, long hours.
45:09He spent this morning saying to my team,
45:11should I pay for the hotel, should I...?
45:13He's been... Honestly, I've never had it in 12 years.
45:16Never. Never.
45:21I can't... The difficulty for me is I can only read out what's on that card,
45:25and there is a chance, is there not, if she was...
45:28If she was pregnant three weeks in,
45:30there's a chance that it's somebody else's, right?
45:33There's the little man.
45:34Shall we get out the love of your life?
45:36Kate is on the Jeremy Carr Show. Give her a...
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45:46He's a bonnie lad.
45:54How are you, sweetheart? I'm all right, thank you.
45:56How scary is today? Quite scary.
45:59Gut feeling for me that he's not...?
46:02I'll be devastated. Really, really heartbroken.
46:07Could you survive?
46:09It will be hard, but I think we'll work for it, obviously.
46:14How would you describe him as a potential father?
46:18He's absolutely amazing. He's one in a million.
46:21I wouldn't have dreamed of having anyone else to be Tyler's dad.
46:24He cries with happiness when he's with Tyler. Their bond is unbreakable.
46:27It is, yeah. It is beautiful.
46:30I couldn't tell her at first about the doubt cos I didn't want to upset her.
46:34I didn't want to... I couldn't do it at first.
46:37I mean, the first time we did tell her about the doubt
46:40was literally the day before coming here.
46:43It was in the hotel, so I didn't know how she would react.
46:46Cos I love her that much. I don't want to lose her.
46:49I don't want to lose Tyler. I love him.
46:53Oh, God.
46:56I actually don't like my job right now.
46:59Are you all right with this? Yeah.
47:03I hope so, but I please... I want you to know that if he's not,
47:07then there is a chance, OK?
47:09A real, real chance that you can make this work.
47:12The DNA test results show that Ryan...
47:17..is yours!
47:23Where's your son?
47:25Where's your son?
47:30Ryan! Ryan!
47:38Happy? Thank you.
47:40I tell you what, I meant what I said.
47:42I rarely have heard... I've rarely heard a young man make such an impression.
47:46All the women fancied him, by the way.
47:48But you were just so decent. I am absolutely delighted.
47:51You got a diamond there. Thank you.
47:53God bless you, cos she was honest as well, and you're a family.
47:56She was honest all the way.
47:58I see so many families that can't make this work, and you two can.
48:01I will make it work. God bless you.
48:03Give him a round of applause. Thank you for coming out.
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48:17See you soon. Bye!
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